Meeting Title: Brainforge Platform Team Sync Date: 2026-05-04 Meeting participants: Mustafa Raja, Uttam Kumaran, Davis Dunham
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1 00:00:33.200 ⇒ 00:00:34.200 Uttam Kumaran: I hate it.
2 00:00:34.620 ⇒ 00:00:35.490 Mustafa Raja: Hey, how are you?
3 00:00:35.980 ⇒ 00:00:37.980 Uttam Kumaran: Hey, good. How’s the day going?
4 00:00:38.630 ⇒ 00:00:40.709 Mustafa Raja: Yeah, I’m doing good.
5 00:00:40.970 ⇒ 00:00:48.770 Mustafa Raja: just working on eating, trying to see the difference, between co-work and our thing, you know?
6 00:00:49.600 ⇒ 00:00:50.820 Uttam Kumaran: Nice, okay.
7 00:00:52.930 ⇒ 00:00:55.610 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, so I’m kind of thinking about, like.
8 00:00:55.710 ⇒ 00:01:01.019 Uttam Kumaran: Maybe moving some of your time Back to, like.
9 00:01:01.680 ⇒ 00:01:06.680 Uttam Kumaran: Kind of platform, but not really platform, maybe just, like, a couple things on platform, but…
10 00:01:07.000 ⇒ 00:01:09.560 Uttam Kumaran: On maybe a couple of new clients.
11 00:01:09.680 ⇒ 00:01:14.339 Uttam Kumaran: But really, the platform side is kind of a little bit urgent, so wondering, like.
12 00:01:14.590 ⇒ 00:01:22.040 Uttam Kumaran: what you think about that, I mean, because basically, it looks like Casey’s handling ABC, you know.
13 00:01:22.230 ⇒ 00:01:23.610 Uttam Kumaran: kind of fine, right?
14 00:01:24.010 ⇒ 00:01:24.540 Mustafa Raja: Yeah.
15 00:01:25.530 ⇒ 00:01:28.590 Mustafa Raja: Yeah, I think this is, yeah, endgame with it.
16 00:01:29.840 ⇒ 00:01:39.860 Mustafa Raja: Yeah, I think part of it is, like… the Brainforge work thing, I like it. I just wasn’t able to do a lot, because last week I had
17 00:01:40.040 ⇒ 00:01:42.720 Mustafa Raja: You know, gets so wet in my house.
18 00:01:43.220 ⇒ 00:01:45.079 Mustafa Raja: Get to the You know?
19 00:01:45.520 ⇒ 00:01:48.500 Mustafa Raja: Not give them time, and…
20 00:01:49.010 ⇒ 00:01:50.059 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
21 00:01:51.030 ⇒ 00:01:53.659 Uttam Kumaran: No, I think the biggest thing I wanted to just, like.
22 00:01:53.880 ⇒ 00:01:57.319 Uttam Kumaran: So, some of those things we’re gonna start to go to market with.
23 00:01:57.520 ⇒ 00:02:05.669 Uttam Kumaran: So I kind of wanted to just see, like, yeah, maybe I can… if… if you’re really just working on Eden AI, maybe I can move, like.
24 00:02:05.850 ⇒ 00:02:09.459 Uttam Kumaran: Half of your time, at least. The, like, platform stuff.
25 00:02:09.770 ⇒ 00:02:16.799 Uttam Kumaran: And then… you know, I think we’re gonna see if we can bring on an additional engineer, and…
26 00:02:17.350 ⇒ 00:02:21.220 Uttam Kumaran: you know, I kind of want to see if I can dedicate your time just to platform stuff.
27 00:02:21.430 ⇒ 00:02:24.040 Uttam Kumaran: For a bit.
28 00:02:24.540 ⇒ 00:02:26.739 Mustafa Raja: Yeah, yeah, that works.
29 00:02:27.070 ⇒ 00:02:35.299 Mustafa Raja: I do, I do get dragged in, default, like today, I had to work on, a few models.
30 00:02:35.510 ⇒ 00:02:40.310 Mustafa Raja: But yeah, it’s nothing much, so, I can definitely.
31 00:02:40.310 ⇒ 00:02:45.829 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, and default, I think we’re basically moving off of default, I think.
32 00:02:46.000 ⇒ 00:02:47.190 Uttam Kumaran: next week.
33 00:02:47.640 ⇒ 00:02:48.730 Uttam Kumaran: So… Oh.
34 00:02:49.240 ⇒ 00:02:51.350 Uttam Kumaran: Like, the end of next week, so…
35 00:02:53.420 ⇒ 00:02:54.040 Mustafa Raja: Okay.
36 00:02:55.770 ⇒ 00:03:02.389 Uttam Kumaran: The main things I think, like, we should just think about, like, on a cadence of meeting, but maybe we can… because also, I don’t know if you met Davis at all?
37 00:03:03.080 ⇒ 00:03:10.039 Mustafa Raja: I haven’t, but I’ve seen, him in platform channel and, in fun and, Random Channel.
38 00:03:10.150 ⇒ 00:03:15.619 Mustafa Raja: And I love his, I love his messages, especially the glasses that he suggested.
39 00:03:15.620 ⇒ 00:03:28.980 Uttam Kumaran: Okay, cool, cool, cool. Yeah, I don’t know, I think I… I think I told maybe Kayla that you can be his Brainforge buddy, but either way, yeah, I think, he’s gonna be joining, kind of just to work on the platform, actually.
40 00:03:29.190 ⇒ 00:03:36.100 Uttam Kumaran: And then, I think… I’m sort of thinking of a little bit of a new team structure,
41 00:03:36.490 ⇒ 00:03:40.380 Uttam Kumaran: for the AI team, kind of going forward, but…
42 00:03:40.680 ⇒ 00:03:44.560 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, I think broadly, I want to just see, like, hey, how can I actually move
43 00:03:44.760 ⇒ 00:03:49.680 Uttam Kumaran: you know, half of your time over there, because I could use some help with the work platform.
44 00:03:49.980 ⇒ 00:03:51.180 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah.
45 00:03:52.390 ⇒ 00:03:58.070 Uttam Kumaran: Like, what’s your… what… how is your week looking now? Like, let’s say there’s no more default work.
46 00:03:58.280 ⇒ 00:03:59.410 Uttam Kumaran: Like, how was your weekend?
47 00:03:59.410 ⇒ 00:04:01.090 Mustafa Raja: Yeah, so, yeah.
48 00:04:01.090 ⇒ 00:04:01.460 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah.
49 00:04:01.460 ⇒ 00:04:06.230 Mustafa Raja: That’s probably going to be only… Eden AI.
50 00:04:06.760 ⇒ 00:04:10.260 Mustafa Raja: Okay. Yeah, that’s pretty much it.
51 00:04:12.440 ⇒ 00:04:13.329 Uttam Kumaran: Okay, okay.
52 00:04:13.640 ⇒ 00:04:21.860 Mustafa Raja: Also, I was wondering, should I be pursuing any certifications in data, or should I only focus on AI?
53 00:04:22.740 ⇒ 00:04:24.610 Mustafa Raja: Like, I saw… Yeah, I mean, you can go…
54 00:04:24.610 ⇒ 00:04:30.179 Uttam Kumaran: I think Snowflake certification is the biggest thing that would still be really, really helpful.
55 00:04:31.130 ⇒ 00:04:31.790 Mustafa Raja: Yeah.
56 00:04:32.800 ⇒ 00:04:33.620 Mustafa Raja: Okay.
57 00:04:35.650 ⇒ 00:04:44.719 Uttam Kumaran: So, if you could go for that, then if we could start work on the work platform, I think that’d be a great use of time. I’m just gonna do allocations for this month.
58 00:04:44.900 ⇒ 00:04:49.650 Uttam Kumaran: And so, maybe I can put you down as, like, 20 hours for just platform team for now.
59 00:04:50.520 ⇒ 00:04:51.250 Mustafa Raja: Appetite, too.
60 00:04:51.770 ⇒ 00:04:52.570 Uttam Kumaran: Okay.
61 00:04:54.490 ⇒ 00:04:56.810 Mustafa Raja: And, will you have any sort of.
62 00:04:57.170 ⇒ 00:04:58.120 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, go ahead.
63 00:04:58.120 ⇒ 00:05:04.190 Mustafa Raja: Yeah, will we have any sort of, maybe once-a-week stand-up for that, to align our goals?
64 00:05:04.900 ⇒ 00:05:10.780 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, so I couldn’t… Davis… I couldn’t talk to Davis today, so I’ll probably either do… Tomorrow, or…
65 00:05:10.890 ⇒ 00:05:15.610 Uttam Kumaran: I don’t know if you’re on later, if you’re still gonna be on for a few hours, I may call him.
66 00:05:17.970 ⇒ 00:05:22.290 Mustafa Raja: I may be up for, 2 more hours.
67 00:05:23.710 ⇒ 00:05:28.149 Uttam Kumaran: I’ll get in, I just texted him, let me see if he wants to chat, and then we can all chat. I have a roadmap.
68 00:05:29.730 ⇒ 00:05:43.529 Uttam Kumaran: And then I… what I also want is just to instruct, like, how did you… what did you think about the plan that I wrote? And, like, I kind of want to think about a different sort of structure, where maybe I work on the plans, and then you guys work on the execution.
69 00:05:43.860 ⇒ 00:05:44.899 Uttam Kumaran: I don’t know.
70 00:05:45.420 ⇒ 00:05:55.639 Mustafa Raja: Yeah, you working on plans and us on execution sounds like the way to go, because we then know, you know, what do we need to achieve, and…
71 00:05:55.810 ⇒ 00:05:58.889 Mustafa Raja: We can then… Davis and I then can split and…
72 00:06:00.510 ⇒ 00:06:06.560 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, but I also think, like… what do you think about… did you… did you get a chance to read that, like, PRD that I wrote?
73 00:06:07.220 ⇒ 00:06:11.210 Mustafa Raja: I didn’t, give it a thorough read. I… I looked.
74 00:06:11.210 ⇒ 00:06:11.999 Uttam Kumaran: But you kind of got the.
75 00:06:12.000 ⇒ 00:06:14.020 Mustafa Raja: But it was already… Yeah.
76 00:06:14.200 ⇒ 00:06:19.510 Mustafa Raja: I looked into the PR, and then the issues with it.
77 00:06:20.660 ⇒ 00:06:21.879 Uttam Kumaran: Okay, okay, okay.
78 00:06:22.860 ⇒ 00:06:28.890 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, so basically, I’m writing these, like, 5-, 6-page PRDs, That…
79 00:06:29.070 ⇒ 00:06:36.040 Uttam Kumaran: Hopefully, like, basically spell out exactly, like, the core of the product, and, like, Sort of 5-10 features.
80 00:06:36.330 ⇒ 00:06:42.610 Uttam Kumaran: And then I kind of am like, usually I just have AI build it, but that’s kind of maybe at the point where I can pass it to you guys.
81 00:06:43.100 ⇒ 00:06:43.720 Mustafa Raja: Yep.
82 00:06:44.790 ⇒ 00:06:46.100 Uttam Kumaran: Like, what do you think about that?
83 00:06:46.930 ⇒ 00:06:51.150 Mustafa Raja: Yes, I think this is… this is the way to go for this.
84 00:06:54.590 ⇒ 00:06:57.729 Uttam Kumaran: Because basically what I’m doing is, like, I write, like, sort of, like,
85 00:06:58.460 ⇒ 00:07:04.110 Uttam Kumaran: like, I kind of write a POC, MVP, and V1, scope.
86 00:07:04.250 ⇒ 00:07:12.710 Uttam Kumaran: And then it’s kind of a living document. Yeah, yeah. And it’s kind of a living document, so this is where, because I’m really opinionated about the feature set.
87 00:07:12.880 ⇒ 00:07:17.050 Uttam Kumaran: But how to build it, and, like, best practices, I just, like, you guys can figure it out.
88 00:07:17.050 ⇒ 00:07:18.229 Mustafa Raja: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
89 00:07:18.440 ⇒ 00:07:21.940 Uttam Kumaran: The work platform is one, the Slack Assistant is another.
90 00:07:22.080 ⇒ 00:07:25.399 Uttam Kumaran: We also have, like, a diagram and deck creator.
91 00:07:25.510 ⇒ 00:07:26.800 Uttam Kumaran: that we need.
92 00:07:27.110 ⇒ 00:07:32.080 Uttam Kumaran: And we have another, we have another product that’s, like, client health.
93 00:07:32.300 ⇒ 00:07:38.380 Uttam Kumaran: So, also what I can do, though, is, like, in the PRD, it’s also going to be a combination of PRD and TED.
94 00:07:38.520 ⇒ 00:07:41.609 Uttam Kumaran: So, like, I’ll put in, like, here are the tools we want to use.
95 00:07:41.800 ⇒ 00:07:51.310 Uttam Kumaran: That way, even if you guys don’t have, like, the technical background, that’s fine, because I could… even, like, for example, if you don’t know, like, the perfect database, I’ll specify it there.
96 00:07:51.950 ⇒ 00:07:52.620 Mustafa Raja: Yeah.
97 00:07:52.620 ⇒ 00:07:54.480 Uttam Kumaran: Because most of it is actually, like.
98 00:07:54.610 ⇒ 00:08:01.579 Uttam Kumaran: something in the process, I just can’t get the whole end-to-end testing or things like that. Like, that’s actually what’s challenging for me.
99 00:08:02.790 ⇒ 00:08:03.520 Mustafa Raja: Yeah.
100 00:08:04.920 ⇒ 00:08:09.640 Mustafa Raja: Yeah, I’m definitely happy to, you know, jump in and play my part in this.
101 00:08:10.140 ⇒ 00:08:12.109 Mustafa Raja: I’m happy to meet Davis also.
102 00:08:12.900 ⇒ 00:08:13.410 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, I agree.
103 00:08:13.410 ⇒ 00:08:19.220 Mustafa Raja: Happy to see Brainforge growing. I see a lot of people every week. A lot of new people.
104 00:08:20.140 ⇒ 00:08:21.460 Uttam Kumaran: What do you think about it?
105 00:08:21.850 ⇒ 00:08:22.820 Mustafa Raja: I…
106 00:08:22.820 ⇒ 00:08:24.130 Uttam Kumaran: Dude, when are you gonna come visit?
107 00:08:24.130 ⇒ 00:08:27.060 Mustafa Raja: I didn’t imagine Brainforce growing this week, you know?
108 00:08:27.590 ⇒ 00:08:28.150 Mustafa Raja: Sam?
109 00:08:28.150 ⇒ 00:08:28.660 Uttam Kumaran: Really?
110 00:08:28.660 ⇒ 00:08:29.990 Mustafa Raja: Surprise, yeah, yeah.
111 00:08:30.710 ⇒ 00:08:34.189 Uttam Kumaran: You’re almost at your one year, I think your one year is next week.
112 00:08:34.190 ⇒ 00:08:38.509 Mustafa Raja: Yeah, oh, yeah, I remember joining in…
113 00:08:38.510 ⇒ 00:08:39.069 Uttam Kumaran: I know.
114 00:08:39.070 ⇒ 00:08:40.190 Mustafa Raja: I don’t know the exact date.
115 00:08:45.130 ⇒ 00:08:46.620 Uttam Kumaran: Oh, it’s a great, it’s great.
116 00:08:49.920 ⇒ 00:08:52.489 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, I mean, I think…
117 00:08:52.620 ⇒ 00:08:55.270 Uttam Kumaran: more people is great. I also think that, like.
118 00:08:55.430 ⇒ 00:08:58.449 Uttam Kumaran: The company’s shape has changed, right, since you joined?
119 00:08:58.590 ⇒ 00:09:02.599 Uttam Kumaran: And… Dude, I also am like, you should come visit.
120 00:09:04.170 ⇒ 00:09:06.220 Mustafa Raja: I’d love to come and visit.
121 00:09:07.180 ⇒ 00:09:09.740 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, I don’t know, we should figure it out. You should come stay here.
122 00:09:10.970 ⇒ 00:09:12.240 Mustafa Raja: I’d love to, actually.
123 00:09:12.910 ⇒ 00:09:19.669 Uttam Kumaran: I don’t know what the tourist view that it looks like, but also, like, we’re thinking about how we can come and do something there.
124 00:09:19.900 ⇒ 00:09:28.650 Uttam Kumaran: Either in Dubai or in the Philippines, but… Sometime. Next… next, like… Top year, maybe.
125 00:09:29.250 ⇒ 00:09:30.470 Mustafa Raja: Oh, that’s pretty nice.
126 00:09:31.170 ⇒ 00:09:32.619 Uttam Kumaran: To come see everybody.
127 00:09:33.660 ⇒ 00:09:34.330 Mustafa Raja: Yeah.
128 00:09:34.750 ⇒ 00:09:35.690 Uttam Kumaran: It’s offered.
129 00:09:35.910 ⇒ 00:09:36.769 Uttam Kumaran: Put something here.
130 00:09:36.770 ⇒ 00:09:38.929 Mustafa Raja: Have you been to Dubai or Philippines before?
131 00:09:39.310 ⇒ 00:09:41.089 Uttam Kumaran: I’ve been to Dubai, yeah.
132 00:09:41.350 ⇒ 00:09:42.860 Mustafa Raja: Oh yeah, Dubai’s pretty nice.
133 00:09:43.320 ⇒ 00:09:44.000 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah.
134 00:09:47.010 ⇒ 00:09:51.979 Mustafa Raja: Also, I do get a lot of LinkedIn messages for recommendations, you know?
135 00:09:52.440 ⇒ 00:09:52.929 Uttam Kumaran: For what?
136 00:09:52.930 ⇒ 00:09:56.099 Mustafa Raja: So I can recommend folks, and…
137 00:09:56.100 ⇒ 00:10:02.829 Uttam Kumaran: Oh, you should! Well, you should… you should just send the people to Kayla, because, you know, you’ll get a bonus if they hire them.
138 00:10:02.830 ⇒ 00:10:06.109 Mustafa Raja: Oh yeah, then I’ll do it. I just didn’t know the process.
139 00:10:06.860 ⇒ 00:10:07.660 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, same position.
140 00:10:07.660 ⇒ 00:10:10.750 Mustafa Raja: I sent a few to Rico. Yeah, I’ll send them to Kena, yeah.
141 00:10:10.750 ⇒ 00:10:16.790 Uttam Kumaran: send them to Kayla, and she inter… and she interviews, or she’ll still reach out from there.
142 00:10:16.950 ⇒ 00:10:20.000 Uttam Kumaran: And yeah, dude, if they get hired, you get a bonus, it’s really good.
143 00:10:20.000 ⇒ 00:10:21.369 Mustafa Raja: Oh, that’s pretty nice.
144 00:10:21.370 ⇒ 00:10:23.560 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, it’s a great cash bonus, yeah, it’s good.
145 00:10:30.460 ⇒ 00:10:34.049 Uttam Kumaran: I told… I texted it to Davis, I think he said he’s gonna join, so…
146 00:10:34.770 ⇒ 00:10:35.369 Mustafa Raja: Oh, yeah.
147 00:10:40.130 ⇒ 00:10:43.369 Uttam Kumaran: Maybe we can do our first, sort of, stand-up here, and then…
148 00:10:44.080 ⇒ 00:10:44.810 Mustafa Raja: Hey, Davis.
149 00:10:45.370 ⇒ 00:10:49.880 Davis Dunham: Hey there, y’all, so sorry, just one second, looking for… there we go.
150 00:10:51.480 ⇒ 00:10:52.130 Davis Dunham: How y’all doing?
151 00:10:52.130 ⇒ 00:10:53.550 Uttam Kumaran: a lot. Go ahead.
152 00:10:54.100 ⇒ 00:10:55.110 Uttam Kumaran: How are you?
153 00:10:55.740 ⇒ 00:10:58.689 Davis Dunham: Doing well. Hi, Mustafa, nice to meet you.
154 00:11:03.430 ⇒ 00:11:03.950 Mustafa Raja: study?
155 00:11:05.460 ⇒ 00:11:07.029 Davis Dunham: Oh, I said, nice to meet you.
156 00:11:07.030 ⇒ 00:11:08.089 Mustafa Raja: Can y’all hear me okay?
157 00:11:08.600 ⇒ 00:11:09.470 Mustafa Raja: Yeah, yeah.
158 00:11:09.830 ⇒ 00:11:10.540 Davis Dunham: Lovely.
159 00:11:11.660 ⇒ 00:11:16.309 Uttam Kumaran: Mustafa, what were you telling me before? You’re saying, like, there’s a Google Glass stuff?
160 00:11:17.900 ⇒ 00:11:19.439 Mustafa Raja: Toddi, could you say that again?
161 00:11:19.790 ⇒ 00:11:25.499 Uttam Kumaran: You’re mentioning that you were… you saw Davis as, like, Smart glasses stuff, right?
162 00:11:25.500 ⇒ 00:11:35.850 Mustafa Raja: Oh, yeah, I’m actually jealous that US folks always get the best technology, and I don’t have it here in Pakistan. If I had, I’d have definitely got it.
163 00:11:36.790 ⇒ 00:11:46.279 Davis Dunham: Dude, yeah, I, I actually, I never picked them up when they first, came out. I found them on eBay for, like, 80 bucks, and I was like.
164 00:11:46.280 ⇒ 00:11:46.710 Mustafa Raja: Oh.
165 00:11:46.710 ⇒ 00:11:50.210 Davis Dunham: I had those so bad when I was younger, so it’s time. You know, I’m just gonna grab them.
166 00:11:50.860 ⇒ 00:11:53.150 Mustafa Raja: Yeah, definitely worth it.
167 00:11:53.520 ⇒ 00:12:03.160 Uttam Kumaran: And dude, one project we should work on… so there’s a project in there with a plan for, like… I basically wanted to build a HUD. Like, you know when you’re playing, like, Call of Duty, you have, like, the map?
168 00:12:03.320 ⇒ 00:12:05.700 Uttam Kumaran: And you have, like, all of your, like, HUD items, like…
169 00:12:06.250 ⇒ 00:12:10.340 Uttam Kumaran: I wanted to build a version of that for Brainforge employees.
170 00:12:10.840 ⇒ 00:12:16.009 Uttam Kumaran: It would be so sick if we, like, loaded it onto Google Glass and sent it to everybody.
171 00:12:16.410 ⇒ 00:12:19.270 Uttam Kumaran: It’s just sick, dude. Like, just mailed it to people.
172 00:12:19.270 ⇒ 00:12:30.150 Davis Dunham: Yeah, dude, I will… I had, I was… I mentioned in the fun and… the random and fun page, the Slack channel, those, Even Reality G2, the glasses.
173 00:12:30.560 ⇒ 00:12:39.999 Davis Dunham: Dude, I just, I didn’t buy them outright, you can, like, rent them. So, it’s, like, 60 bucks a month, so I just… I rented them for a month, and, Mustafa, they have this cool,
174 00:12:40.300 ⇒ 00:12:57.229 Davis Dunham: like, terminal mode, where you can essentially just connect it to, like, your terminal session on your computer, and then just, like, talk to Claude Code, and then it’ll, like, read out… it’s, like, monochrome green, it’s super simple, but, like, it’ll just read out what it’s doing, and you can, like, approve or deny stuff from the glasses.
175 00:12:57.230 ⇒ 00:13:00.230 Mustafa Raja: Yeah, that’s just… that’s just a dream.
176 00:13:00.400 ⇒ 00:13:09.549 Davis Dunham: insane, right? I’m very, I’m excited to try them out. I should get them in, like, a week, a week or two. And once I do, I’ll let everyone know how they work.
177 00:13:09.550 ⇒ 00:13:11.690 Mustafa Raja: I need a review. I need a review from you.
178 00:13:12.160 ⇒ 00:13:12.760 Davis Dunham: Yeah.
179 00:13:12.920 ⇒ 00:13:15.370 Davis Dunham: No, I’ll give you, I’ll give you a one-pager.
180 00:13:15.840 ⇒ 00:13:17.370 Mustafa Raja: Yeah, that’s nice. Thank you.
181 00:13:20.460 ⇒ 00:13:30.629 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, so I wanted to… I think… so, basically, Davis, I think this is gonna be sort of the core, like, platform group for a sec here. I think I was telling Mustafa that, like.
182 00:13:30.750 ⇒ 00:13:43.060 Uttam Kumaran: You know, he’s been mostly inclined, but I think I’m gonna take half of his time, and then kind of your time, and then what I kind of want to do is shift my time away from doing a lot of development work to, frankly, doing more of, like.
183 00:13:43.190 ⇒ 00:13:45.980 Uttam Kumaran: Product planning and, like, testing for you guys.
184 00:13:45.980 ⇒ 00:13:46.540 Davis Dunham: Yeah.
185 00:13:46.660 ⇒ 00:13:49.119 Uttam Kumaran: So I think, kind of like.
186 00:13:49.290 ⇒ 00:13:58.709 Uttam Kumaran: today, I think maybe we can try to just arrive at, like, what we’re all working on. And then we can ticket things if we want, but even that minimum, just, like.
187 00:13:58.870 ⇒ 00:14:06.009 Uttam Kumaran: if we all can take, like, one mission per week, I feel like that’s kind of a good goal. I kind of want… I want us to move…
188 00:14:06.310 ⇒ 00:14:12.869 Uttam Kumaran: Outside of, like, doing, like, month-long plans, because ultimately this group has to be, like, the most cracked group.
189 00:14:13.550 ⇒ 00:14:15.109 Uttam Kumaran: In the con- in the company?
190 00:14:15.220 ⇒ 00:14:19.280 Uttam Kumaran: And so, I’m kind of like, yo, let’s just take on some stuff on Monday.
191 00:14:19.490 ⇒ 00:14:37.409 Uttam Kumaran: try to get it out internally by Thursday, and then, like, within us, and see if we can ship it to the company by Friday. So, I feel like I want to kind of have, like, that sort of mentality. I think also what I kind of want to know, where I’ll kind of come in is on a couple points. Like, one, I want to…
192 00:14:37.510 ⇒ 00:14:47.600 Uttam Kumaran: basically spend my time, like, planning, like, product planning, building out, like, really robust PRDs and, like, technical designs, and they kind of just, like, hand it to you guys to, like.
193 00:14:47.900 ⇒ 00:14:56.949 Uttam Kumaran: you don’t put your spin on things, but ultimately, like, I’m not a very, like, visual person, but I can lay out, like, capabilities and, like, the technologies really well, and…
194 00:14:57.130 ⇒ 00:15:16.640 Uttam Kumaran: some of the gotchas and security, and then I can leave it to you guys to just do the full build, end-to-end testing, things like that, like… So I think I’ve basically done that for a couple of products now. Like, I have a full plan for the Slack Assistant, I have a full plan for Brainforward work, I think I wrote a plan, David, for the deck creator.
195 00:15:16.830 ⇒ 00:15:17.820 Uttam Kumaran: You didn’t.
196 00:15:18.040 ⇒ 00:15:21.770 Uttam Kumaran: So I think, like, that’s a good way for us to operate.
197 00:15:21.940 ⇒ 00:15:27.860 Uttam Kumaran: It’s sort of the model that I’m thinking about for kind of like a future team at Brainforward, where
198 00:15:27.960 ⇒ 00:15:33.000 Uttam Kumaran: They’re sort of like strategists, who mainly, they kind of almost seem like
199 00:15:33.240 ⇒ 00:15:35.840 Uttam Kumaran: Product manager, they kind of seem like…
200 00:15:36.100 ⇒ 00:15:47.600 Uttam Kumaran: tech leads, but they also are kind of, like, business-facing, and then there’s a kind of a group of just, like, basically, like, 100x engineers who are kind of, like, software factories. Like, whatever requirements you get.
201 00:15:47.860 ⇒ 00:15:49.430 Uttam Kumaran: You guys can just rip it.
202 00:15:49.770 ⇒ 00:15:55.530 Uttam Kumaran: And we have, like, standard modes of, like, how we rip those things, like, what tools we use.
203 00:15:55.670 ⇒ 00:16:08.410 Uttam Kumaran: like, deployments and things like that, but ultimately, like, the product person that I described doesn’t really care much about that. Instead, they’re like, I need these capabilities in this form. And so that’s sort of, like, kind of, like, how I want to think about
204 00:16:08.860 ⇒ 00:16:19.869 Uttam Kumaran: like, where I’m sitting and where you guys are sitting is like, hey, okay, my job is to really create, like, understand that there’s a product that this company needs, here’s all the things that it needs to do.
205 00:16:20.090 ⇒ 00:16:22.719 Uttam Kumaran: And write a really, really robust plan.
206 00:16:22.890 ⇒ 00:16:28.310 Uttam Kumaran: And then hand it to you guys, and then basically you guys validated your implementation against the plan.
207 00:16:28.720 ⇒ 00:16:31.880 Uttam Kumaran: You know, so that’s, like, what’s what I want to…
208 00:16:32.070 ⇒ 00:16:36.289 Uttam Kumaran: that’s kind of what I want the mode of operation to be. So this week, I think.
209 00:16:36.460 ⇒ 00:16:41.600 Uttam Kumaran: For me, it would be great to see the work product get out, and I think, Mustafa, I can hand that to you.
210 00:16:41.750 ⇒ 00:16:47.920 Uttam Kumaran: And then I think, Davis, there’s a couple of items that you could work on.
211 00:16:48.320 ⇒ 00:16:56.140 Uttam Kumaran: So I kind of want all of us to sort of decide, like, what’s the biggest priority, whether it’s for the company, whether it’s just for the sales team,
212 00:16:56.910 ⇒ 00:16:59.820 Uttam Kumaran: But, yeah, does that roughly make sense? And then maybe we can…
213 00:16:59.970 ⇒ 00:17:07.109 Uttam Kumaran: go around the horn, and I can say, like, here’s the things I’m just gonna start to plan more of, and then you guys can talk about which project you want to take this week.
214 00:17:09.069 ⇒ 00:17:22.719 Davis Dunham: I… I love that. I think that that sounds… that sounds like a really wonderful workflow for me. I… just very quick update from me. I was working on the… the proof of concept for the… the deck creator.
215 00:17:22.819 ⇒ 00:17:39.939 Davis Dunham: And I was trying to just iron out some kinks, and literally just, like, the, like, conversion of, like, a, you know, pre-existing deck to the PowerPoint, and I realized I need to look up and see if there’s any GitHub, like, repos that already exist that, like, do that. Yes. So I was kind of just trying to build them from scratch.
216 00:17:39.939 ⇒ 00:17:52.579 Davis Dunham: And you gave me a couple links to look into it, Tom. So, that was what I was gonna work on tonight, but also, very down to, pivot. That’s just, you know, the one that I have currently in my
217 00:17:52.809 ⇒ 00:17:55.059 Davis Dunham: In my, lexicon.
218 00:17:55.800 ⇒ 00:18:12.369 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, I may… so I think, like, a couple things for that. I think one is there’s a GitHub repo search skill you should use. It searches GitHub repo, like, the GitHub search bar, and it also searches a couple websites that host, like, open source alternatives and things.
219 00:18:12.480 ⇒ 00:18:25.620 Uttam Kumaran: Cool. I think it might just help you, you could just sort of put in whatever your query is, so that skill is there. I think, yeah, I mean, I think sort of the vision of the deck creator is, like, I just don’t want people fumbling around anymore, like, spending time creating, like.
220 00:18:25.980 ⇒ 00:18:34.120 Uttam Kumaran: decks. I think I want to have, like, fixed layouts, and then I also want people to be able to, like, sort of, like, in a Claude Cohort style, kind of, like, create slides.
221 00:18:34.510 ⇒ 00:18:35.180 Davis Dunham: Yes.
222 00:18:35.400 ⇒ 00:18:42.070 Uttam Kumaran: I don’t know if you’ve tried Gamma out, but you should maybe… you could just try that. It’s sort of a slide editing software tool.
223 00:18:42.340 ⇒ 00:18:42.730 Davis Dunham: We’re pretty…
224 00:18:42.730 ⇒ 00:18:45.210 Uttam Kumaran: simple. The nice thing about us is, like, we have
225 00:18:45.510 ⇒ 00:18:52.199 Uttam Kumaran: We’re not trying to do, like, graphic images and shit, it’s, like, mostly just, like, Like, layouts and text?
226 00:18:52.380 ⇒ 00:19:00.769 Uttam Kumaran: And so that’s sort of, like, what I’d be interested in seeing solved. And then I also sent you a bunch of, like, deck examples, right? So, ultimately…
227 00:19:00.890 ⇒ 00:19:01.640 Davis Dunham: I have all those.
228 00:19:01.640 ⇒ 00:19:11.780 Uttam Kumaran: want to… what we’d want to see is, like, that you could have created probably better versions of those through this new interface. I think that’s a good, like, eval loop to kind of run through.
229 00:19:12.070 ⇒ 00:19:13.410 Davis Dunham: Cool, yeah, absolutely.
230 00:19:14.350 ⇒ 00:19:15.240 Davis Dunham: Wolf.
231 00:19:15.310 ⇒ 00:19:28.759 Uttam Kumaran: So yeah, Deckfire, I think Deck Creator’s great. I think also, like, I was… I want to think about some way for people to do diagramming. I don’t know if you guys ever recommend any of them. I… we had a candidate today that used, like, ScalaDraw. It was pretty good.
232 00:19:29.190 ⇒ 00:19:29.989 Uttam Kumaran: I don’t know if you go.
233 00:19:29.990 ⇒ 00:19:31.679 Davis Dunham: What’s it called? Salad drama?
234 00:19:31.680 ⇒ 00:19:33.750 Uttam Kumaran: PallyDraw? X PallyDraw?
235 00:19:34.480 ⇒ 00:19:37.769 Uttam Kumaran: like, E-X-C-A-L-I draw.
236 00:19:39.030 ⇒ 00:19:40.160 Davis Dunham: Kelly, John, cool.
237 00:19:41.270 ⇒ 00:19:42.430 Davis Dunham: Looking it up.
238 00:19:46.940 ⇒ 00:19:52.809 Uttam Kumaran: So yeah, I think diagrams are kind of gonna probably be next. Like, so I think, David’s probably the biggest thing is, like.
239 00:19:53.420 ⇒ 00:19:56.710 Uttam Kumaran: We have, like, a… almost like a media creation.
240 00:19:56.820 ⇒ 00:19:59.960 Uttam Kumaran: thing that we’re doing, you know? Yes.
241 00:20:00.490 ⇒ 00:20:07.260 Uttam Kumaran: whether it’s gonna be images, like, I could see this extending into videos and other stuff, but, like, decks is, like, the first
242 00:20:07.420 ⇒ 00:20:09.590 Uttam Kumaran: Medium that we’re, like, working on.
243 00:20:09.690 ⇒ 00:20:13.710 Uttam Kumaran: Yes. Part of just, like, an asset curation sort of engine for the company.
244 00:20:14.150 ⇒ 00:20:16.080 Uttam Kumaran: I don’t think we need to go as far as, like.
245 00:20:16.270 ⇒ 00:20:20.950 Uttam Kumaran: Putting it behind an endpoint, but ultimately, Lightning.
246 00:20:21.380 ⇒ 00:20:25.720 Uttam Kumaran: You can assume there’s a future where people just use a skill that says create that.
247 00:20:25.720 ⇒ 00:20:26.940 Davis Dunham: Yeah, and it just pulls relevant.
248 00:20:28.200 ⇒ 00:20:32.049 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, I think that stuff is also in the… in the PRD.
249 00:20:32.050 ⇒ 00:20:32.750 Davis Dunham: That is.
250 00:20:33.070 ⇒ 00:20:33.770 Uttam Kumaran: Okay.
251 00:20:34.980 ⇒ 00:20:35.780 Uttam Kumaran: Cool, so I…
252 00:20:35.780 ⇒ 00:20:36.500 Davis Dunham: Cool.
253 00:20:36.500 ⇒ 00:20:40.380 Uttam Kumaran: like, let’s take that mission, for example. I think the goal is, like.
254 00:20:40.750 ⇒ 00:20:47.040 Uttam Kumaran: Probably to put together, like, something that this group can reflect on by, like, honestly, like, a Wednesday.
255 00:20:47.410 ⇒ 00:20:47.729 Davis Dunham: And you can…
256 00:20:47.730 ⇒ 00:20:53.000 Uttam Kumaran: you kind of get a sense of, like, if you need to pivot hard one way or another. Yes.
257 00:20:53.240 ⇒ 00:20:56.070 Uttam Kumaran: So I think that’s, like, kind of a good milestone, is, like.
258 00:20:56.180 ⇒ 00:21:04.469 Uttam Kumaran: Okay, can I get something clickable, working, doing something by Wednesday, to get a bunch of feedback, and then ship something out by Friday?
259 00:21:04.610 ⇒ 00:21:05.090 Uttam Kumaran: And, like.
260 00:21:05.090 ⇒ 00:21:05.530 Davis Dunham: Yeah. I think…
261 00:21:05.530 ⇒ 00:21:09.200 Uttam Kumaran: It’s like a… it’s tough sometimes to be, like… I would say that’s only, like.
262 00:21:09.560 ⇒ 00:21:12.909 Uttam Kumaran: four and a half days, or whatever, but I think that’s, like, the fun of it.
263 00:21:13.360 ⇒ 00:21:13.680 Davis Dunham: Yeah.
264 00:21:13.680 ⇒ 00:21:15.889 Uttam Kumaran: ultimately, I want this group to stress test, like.
265 00:21:16.150 ⇒ 00:21:26.990 Uttam Kumaran: Okay, then you’re asked to be like, well, I need GPT 5.5, well, I need this. I’m like, okay, then I can consider, like, buying those things if I know I’m like, you know, our objective is to get something up by Friday.
266 00:21:27.160 ⇒ 00:21:36.750 Uttam Kumaran: Yes. And so, ultimately, what I want you guys to also think about is, like, what engineering unlock you would need to be able to get these kind of large asks done in just a week.
267 00:21:37.000 ⇒ 00:21:39.729 Uttam Kumaran: And so I really try to push it, like…
268 00:21:39.920 ⇒ 00:21:54.360 Uttam Kumaran: whether… yeah, whether, like, I need to pay for more models, or we need to, like, try other things out, part of this… part of the fun of this mode is, like, can we actually ship pretty decent software in a week?
269 00:21:54.570 ⇒ 00:21:58.260 Uttam Kumaran: Because then my next ask is gonna be, how do we get to a day? You know?
270 00:21:58.260 ⇒ 00:21:58.940 Davis Dunham: Yeah.
271 00:22:00.790 ⇒ 00:22:01.130 Davis Dunham: I’ve.
272 00:22:01.130 ⇒ 00:22:08.520 Uttam Kumaran: Which Mustafa knows, like, I’m literally just gonna ask, that’s gonna be my next question, is like, how do we do in one day? What were we just in the week?
273 00:22:08.680 ⇒ 00:22:09.350 Davis Dunham: Yeah.
274 00:22:11.690 ⇒ 00:22:15.869 Uttam Kumaran: Like, how do you go from PRD to, like, fully built thing in a day?
275 00:22:16.110 ⇒ 00:22:19.340 Uttam Kumaran: Like, I feel like in 2 months, I’d like to see us
276 00:22:19.820 ⇒ 00:22:26.420 Uttam Kumaran: Have something where we can basically dump it into a software factory kind of situation, and just, like.
277 00:22:26.560 ⇒ 00:22:28.159 Uttam Kumaran: build out, like, a B…
278 00:22:28.330 ⇒ 00:22:32.359 Uttam Kumaran: Or, like, a C-plus version of whatever, and then take it from the finish line.
279 00:22:32.920 ⇒ 00:22:36.099 Uttam Kumaran: So, I kind of want us to constantly be thinking of, like.
280 00:22:36.430 ⇒ 00:22:38.750 Uttam Kumaran: How do we handle long-running agents?
281 00:22:39.190 ⇒ 00:22:42.960 Uttam Kumaran: How do we… how do we have an opinion about how we… how we accomplish that dream, you know?
282 00:22:43.260 ⇒ 00:22:46.170 Uttam Kumaran: And I’m gonna give you all these projects that hopefully you can…
283 00:22:46.410 ⇒ 00:22:51.050 Uttam Kumaran: Use as a testing bed for, like, whatever new methodology you want to test.
284 00:22:51.800 ⇒ 00:22:55.779 Uttam Kumaran: So there shouldn’t… so I’m hopefully taking that off of your plate, which is, like.
285 00:22:56.340 ⇒ 00:23:01.520 Uttam Kumaran: thinking of the idea, and I think, Davis, we talked about this, like, I have a bunch of things to build.
286 00:23:01.690 ⇒ 00:23:04.060 Uttam Kumaran: Yes. But my ask for you guys is, like.
287 00:23:04.410 ⇒ 00:23:11.449 Uttam Kumaran: constantly try to think about how to build them faster. Yeah. Worry less about the what it is, because I’ll direct that.
288 00:23:11.740 ⇒ 00:23:14.799 Uttam Kumaran: More, it’s like, how to build anything faster.
289 00:23:16.930 ⇒ 00:23:32.079 Davis Dunham: I, I have a quick, just thing to add to that. I mean, this is gonna be… the fact that it’s recorded will make this, actually useful, you know? But, we already talked about Grok, Utsam? Not the Mustafa, not the GROK, but G-R-O-Q, they’re in…
290 00:23:32.080 ⇒ 00:23:32.710 Mustafa Raja: Oh.
291 00:23:32.920 ⇒ 00:23:34.120 Davis Dunham: inferencing company.
292 00:23:34.120 ⇒ 00:23:34.510 Mustafa Raja: Yeah.
293 00:23:34.510 ⇒ 00:23:34.910 Davis Dunham: They do it.
294 00:23:34.910 ⇒ 00:23:35.290 Mustafa Raja: Got it.
295 00:23:35.290 ⇒ 00:23:36.000 Davis Dunham: to talk about?
296 00:23:36.210 ⇒ 00:23:36.810 Mustafa Raja: Yeah.
297 00:23:37.520 ⇒ 00:23:44.889 Mustafa Raja: In the start, they had all of their instances for free, and that is how I would use my,
298 00:23:45.000 ⇒ 00:23:46.610 Mustafa Raja: AI models.
299 00:23:46.930 ⇒ 00:23:47.290 Davis Dunham: Yeah.
300 00:23:47.290 ⇒ 00:23:50.540 Mustafa Raja: Now they’re charging, but when they started, they were free.
301 00:23:50.970 ⇒ 00:24:08.389 Davis Dunham: Yeah, yeah, it was honestly… it was kind of crazy that they were free. Yeah. But they, that one, unfortunately, they don’t have a great coding model on there right now, because they’re only doing… they got bought by, I think, NVIDIA, and so all their models are, like, US-only models, and the US just doesn’t really have any, like.
302 00:24:08.390 ⇒ 00:24:14.290 Davis Dunham: open source, like, coding models that are super good. But that, and then, Cerebrus.
303 00:24:14.610 ⇒ 00:24:25.799 Davis Dunham: Which is another company that does a very similar thing with, like, specific, chip architecture and just, like, very fast token generation. And Streepers has, I believe it’s Quinn 35B.
304 00:24:25.990 ⇒ 00:24:40.850 Davis Dunham: On there. Right. I thought they had, like, a coding one as well, the 27, or… I don’t remember which model it was, but there’s the Quinn, like, coder, one of the smaller models as well, that also generates at, like, it’s, like, 2,000 tokens a second.
305 00:24:40.920 ⇒ 00:24:53.420 Davis Dunham: And so for those, like, really fast workflows, it could even be the kind of thing where we could have a… even, like, build, like, a… I don’t know if it’d be a skill, or a tool, whatever it’d be, but it’d be, like, a planning step.
306 00:24:53.540 ⇒ 00:24:55.039 Davis Dunham: It comes from the PRD.
307 00:24:56.100 ⇒ 00:24:56.730 Davis Dunham: in a…
308 00:24:56.730 ⇒ 00:24:59.390 Uttam Kumaran: What’s it called?
309 00:24:59.390 ⇒ 00:25:00.459 Davis Dunham: Like, a planning step.
310 00:25:00.460 ⇒ 00:25:02.580 Uttam Kumaran: Whoa!
311 00:25:02.580 ⇒ 00:25:03.120 Davis Dunham: A…
312 00:25:03.120 ⇒ 00:25:05.560 Uttam Kumaran: Sorry.
313 00:25:05.560 ⇒ 00:25:08.680 Davis Dunham: And then it would just hand off all those individual steps to all of the.
314 00:25:08.680 ⇒ 00:25:09.000 Uttam Kumaran: Indeed.
315 00:25:09.000 ⇒ 00:25:13.129 Davis Dunham: Like, really, really fast, more simplified models.
316 00:25:13.900 ⇒ 00:25:17.230 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, I mean, so if you’re… is there… so I guess…
317 00:25:17.380 ⇒ 00:25:22.840 Uttam Kumaran: explain, like, on 5, the ask is, like, can you buy a Cerberus for us?
318 00:25:23.240 ⇒ 00:25:26.430 Davis Dunham: Oh, maybe.
319 00:25:26.510 ⇒ 00:25:28.249 Uttam Kumaran: Okay. Well, I can just guess
320 00:25:28.960 ⇒ 00:25:30.970 Uttam Kumaran: Put, like, 100 bucks in it and see what happens.
321 00:25:31.240 ⇒ 00:25:40.400 Davis Dunham: Yeah, yeah, well, I mean, I also could just do some internal testing and let you know if it works well or not, because the last time I went on there, they had the coder model.
322 00:25:40.710 ⇒ 00:25:42.179 Davis Dunham: Is it, is it, is it…
323 00:25:44.550 ⇒ 00:25:47.820 Davis Dunham: Is that… is it… oh, is that what it is? Is it Cerberus?
324 00:25:48.800 ⇒ 00:25:51.050 Uttam Kumaran: I think it’s, like, Cerebral, or I don’t know, something like that.
325 00:25:51.050 ⇒ 00:25:56.770 Davis Dunham: One of those things. But they had the coder, the coder, Quinn coder, was, like, blocked off.
326 00:25:56.960 ⇒ 00:26:14.190 Davis Dunham: But I put, like, 10 bucks in, and I was gonna see… I was gonna just test it out and see if, if it was worth anything. Because I think that the upside of these really small models is they do a pretty damn good job, they’re just not as good at considering, like, large-scale, you know, code bases. So if you’re handing, like, off individual files to them, they can.
327 00:26:14.190 ⇒ 00:26:15.150 Uttam Kumaran: Oh, okay.
328 00:26:15.350 ⇒ 00:26:16.349 Davis Dunham: Snap through it.
329 00:26:17.080 ⇒ 00:26:23.339 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, I mean, worth… worth testing. I mean, I think probably this week, with everything you’ve got, I mean, ultimately, look.
330 00:26:23.510 ⇒ 00:26:27.469 Uttam Kumaran: I think the… just upgrading models is, like, a hammer.
331 00:26:27.680 ⇒ 00:26:31.820 Uttam Kumaran: Type solution, like… But we’re gonna pay for it, right?
332 00:26:31.820 ⇒ 00:26:32.340 Davis Dunham: Yeah.
333 00:26:32.340 ⇒ 00:26:39.590 Uttam Kumaran: It may get it one shot, but we’re gonna pay for it. Instead, it’s, like, gonna be a mix, and then ultimately, can we get the harness so good?
334 00:26:39.700 ⇒ 00:26:48.610 Uttam Kumaran: That you can just hand it off. Yeah. Like, another model that’s sort of working really well now is people are thinking about, like, a higher level, like, orchestration agent.
335 00:26:48.870 ⇒ 00:26:56.199 Uttam Kumaran: So one thing you could do is basically, like, break an entire PRD into tickets, and then you have a model that basically runs for, like.
336 00:26:56.470 ⇒ 00:27:02.860 Uttam Kumaran: 5 hours, all it does is, like, it assigns a ticket to… it assigns a ticket to a sub-agent, watches it work.
337 00:27:03.380 ⇒ 00:27:10.420 Uttam Kumaran: Like, and then once it’s done, it, like, moves and tickets and done. And you have one agent that’s sort of, like, the… the orchestrator.
338 00:27:11.380 ⇒ 00:27:18.099 Uttam Kumaran: There’s a couple… yeah, there’s a couple of, like, frameworks for doing that. Like, have you heard of, like, oh myopen Code?
339 00:27:18.980 ⇒ 00:27:19.989 Davis Dunham: Yes, I have.
340 00:27:20.840 ⇒ 00:27:22.800 Uttam Kumaran: Maybe you guys should try that out this week.
341 00:27:23.530 ⇒ 00:27:23.970 Davis Dunham: Oh, my head.
342 00:27:23.970 ⇒ 00:27:29.100 Uttam Kumaran: But basically, it creates this, it creates this, like, Orchestrator type of environment.
343 00:27:33.630 ⇒ 00:27:34.390 Davis Dunham: Hell yeah.
344 00:27:35.560 ⇒ 00:27:37.250 Davis Dunham: I got the GitHub pulled up right now.
345 00:27:39.340 ⇒ 00:27:44.939 Davis Dunham: Yeah, man. And I’m sure that we also can… I’m sure that me and Mustafa will both, like, have ideas as we…
346 00:27:46.100 ⇒ 00:27:51.979 Davis Dunham: like, go through this, kind of these, like, these sprints as well, and kind of just gain, because Mustafa, I guess.
347 00:27:53.460 ⇒ 00:28:00.599 Davis Dunham: Hi, this is my first time meeting, Mustafa. Are you, you, an AI engineer here at Brainforge?
348 00:28:00.600 ⇒ 00:28:04.159 Mustafa Raja: Yeah, yeah, yeah. I joined as an engineer. Yeah.
349 00:28:04.160 ⇒ 00:28:04.780 Davis Dunham: Yeah.
350 00:28:06.990 ⇒ 00:28:08.659 Uttam Kumaran: He’s been here about a year, almost a year.
351 00:28:08.660 ⇒ 00:28:13.709 Mustafa Raja: Yeah, next week, I’ll… next… next week, next week, it’ll be, it’ll be a year, yeah.
352 00:28:14.120 ⇒ 00:28:15.220 Davis Dunham: Congratulations.
353 00:28:15.650 ⇒ 00:28:16.300 Mustafa Raja: Thanks.
354 00:28:19.210 ⇒ 00:28:20.810 Mustafa Raja: And I absolutely love it here.
355 00:28:21.330 ⇒ 00:28:22.460 Davis Dunham: Yeah, I’m…
356 00:28:22.460 ⇒ 00:28:24.210 Uttam Kumaran: I’m.
357 00:28:24.210 ⇒ 00:28:29.199 Davis Dunham: Looking forward to a year from now, celebrating my one year at Brain Forge.
358 00:28:29.200 ⇒ 00:28:30.960 Mustafa Raja: Yeah, hopefully.
359 00:28:30.960 ⇒ 00:28:32.440 Uttam Kumaran: Long year ahead.
360 00:28:32.440 ⇒ 00:28:34.259 Davis Dunham: Yeah, yeah, it’ll be a good one, though.
361 00:28:34.260 ⇒ 00:28:36.210 Uttam Kumaran: Not, like, terrific, like, 5 years.
362 00:28:36.480 ⇒ 00:28:38.699 Uttam Kumaran: I know I’m gonna stop. It’s like 5 years, dude.
363 00:28:39.160 ⇒ 00:28:39.750 Mustafa Raja: Yeah.
364 00:28:41.330 ⇒ 00:28:46.500 Davis Dunham: That, what, the, the AI-mediated time dilation there?
365 00:28:47.000 ⇒ 00:28:48.010 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, literally.
366 00:28:48.010 ⇒ 00:28:51.179 Davis Dunham: Making everything feel… feel fast and slow.
367 00:28:52.010 ⇒ 00:28:52.670 Uttam Kumaran: Yes.
368 00:28:53.400 ⇒ 00:29:04.120 Davis Dunham: But yeah, I, I would, Mustaf, I’d love to, I’d love to, I’ll just, I’ll message you on Slack as well, and we can kind of just keep up to date with, or I guess, Uten, we probably should put it in what the…
369 00:29:04.120 ⇒ 00:29:05.760 Uttam Kumaran: I’m just talking platform.
370 00:29:05.760 ⇒ 00:29:07.610 Davis Dunham: Platform. Cool, yeah, we can do that.
371 00:29:07.910 ⇒ 00:29:14.539 Davis Dunham: I gotta… that’s something I gotta… I gotta… I gotta switch. I gotta stop wanting to private message people and just talk in the… talk in the public forum.
372 00:29:14.540 ⇒ 00:29:14.950 Mustafa Raja: Yeah.
373 00:29:14.950 ⇒ 00:29:27.620 Uttam Kumaran: See, another project later this year will be to do a bunch of stuff around Slack measurement. One of the things is, like, how many people are talking here in public channels as part of their onboarding, so we can measure, like, people that are, like.
374 00:29:28.050 ⇒ 00:29:44.399 Uttam Kumaran: not communicating to our standards, because they’re just DMing, or they’re not saying anything. So, yeah, but yes, talking public channels, you’re going to be very surprised at how many people read it, and then people are going to get more confident in you by seeing stuff, so… I always tell… I tell this in the same stuff all the time.
375 00:29:47.180 ⇒ 00:29:48.480 Uttam Kumaran: Yup.
376 00:29:48.790 ⇒ 00:29:56.980 Uttam Kumaran: Okay, cool, and then, Mustafa, you’re working on… you’re gonna take the work platform. I think my… maybe my question is, like, how… what pieces do you want to take, or just, like.
377 00:29:57.270 ⇒ 00:30:02.369 Uttam Kumaran: I mean, I wrote the whole PRD, but the main thing I’m looking for is, like, core features.
378 00:30:02.770 ⇒ 00:30:04.810 Uttam Kumaran: like, stability.
379 00:30:04.940 ⇒ 00:30:11.230 Uttam Kumaran: And, like, really robust end-to-end testing, and then the ability for people to develop on it. I mean, we have ideas, like.
380 00:30:11.350 ⇒ 00:30:15.259 Uttam Kumaran: For example, we want to ship the desktop app, we want to have the web app.
381 00:30:15.370 ⇒ 00:30:17.759 Uttam Kumaran: I also want to ship a mobile app, so…
382 00:30:18.150 ⇒ 00:30:25.739 Uttam Kumaran: there’s a bunch more work to do. I think what I would like from you, maybe even if you have 10, 20 minutes before you shut down today, is just to, like.
383 00:30:25.960 ⇒ 00:30:28.749 Uttam Kumaran: Think of, like, a good milestone to get to by the end of the week.
384 00:30:29.920 ⇒ 00:30:40.409 Mustafa Raja: Yeah, yeah, I can, I can take a look at the PRD, and then, for the milestone, I’ll just ping, platform channel before I log off.
385 00:30:41.200 ⇒ 00:30:41.810 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah.
386 00:30:41.910 ⇒ 00:30:43.370 Uttam Kumaran: I think that would be good.
387 00:30:43.580 ⇒ 00:30:47.889 Uttam Kumaran: But generally it’s… so, open work is just a clone of blog co-work.
388 00:30:48.100 ⇒ 00:30:56.680 Uttam Kumaran: So we just want our own version of that, basically. Ideally, this is gonna be the replacement for all, like, the business people to use this instead of cursor.
389 00:30:56.910 ⇒ 00:31:01.270 Uttam Kumaran: For the most part, they’re just creating skills, they’re using skills, they’re using integrations, they’re not…
390 00:31:01.410 ⇒ 00:31:04.840 Uttam Kumaran: coding, you know? So I want to move them off of that.
391 00:31:05.260 ⇒ 00:31:08.639 Uttam Kumaran: So yeah, we could have an internal version testing by Thursday.
392 00:31:09.120 ⇒ 00:31:14.350 Uttam Kumaran: then we can ship it on Friday. And I kind of want us to think about Friday like release days.
393 00:31:14.510 ⇒ 00:31:19.980 Uttam Kumaran: And I think the three of us can maybe switch off, like, announcing, like, what we released or updates.
394 00:31:20.260 ⇒ 00:31:24.619 Uttam Kumaran: Right, like, shipping certain updates and things like that.
395 00:31:24.870 ⇒ 00:31:30.849 Uttam Kumaran: The other thing that I’ll share with you guys, I haven’t… I don’t… I don’t think we’re really… I shipped an entire, like, telemetry suite.
396 00:31:31.150 ⇒ 00:31:37.490 Uttam Kumaran: So you can add… You can use OpenTelemetry and add telemetry to all of your products now.
397 00:31:37.850 ⇒ 00:31:44.299 Uttam Kumaran: So, you can add it all through Brainforce Work, you can add it to the deck creator, so… basically, like, our version of Datadog.
398 00:31:45.060 ⇒ 00:31:52.169 Uttam Kumaran: So that’s up and running. And then, I’m also gonna ship our own, like, document signing platform.
399 00:31:52.670 ⇒ 00:31:59.549 Uttam Kumaran: Where basically, like, we’re on a call with someone, and then we can just have them literally sign, like, an NDA,
400 00:31:59.720 ⇒ 00:32:01.249 Uttam Kumaran: At a unique link.
401 00:32:01.560 ⇒ 00:32:05.590 Uttam Kumaran: Making it really easy for sales, and sometimes they…
402 00:32:05.700 ⇒ 00:32:10.480 Uttam Kumaran: they’re like, okay, we’ll have another meeting after we do the NDA. I want them to be able to do it, sort of, like, on the call.
403 00:32:10.860 ⇒ 00:32:14.500 Uttam Kumaran: So, kind of, like, how I’m thinking about it now, it’s, like, all these, like, sort of…
404 00:32:14.690 ⇒ 00:32:18.709 Uttam Kumaran: subdomains, like, we have, like, work.brainforge, pay.brainforge.
405 00:32:19.070 ⇒ 00:32:22.960 Uttam Kumaran: platform, but like… I kind of… I think I like that model.
406 00:32:23.230 ⇒ 00:32:28.389 Uttam Kumaran: Sort of makes it all seem like these are different products, and then maybe we think about one
407 00:32:29.150 ⇒ 00:32:32.140 Uttam Kumaran: Sort of super app in the middle or something, like a directory.
408 00:32:32.850 ⇒ 00:32:39.320 Uttam Kumaran: Another thing I’m thinking about is, like, I haven’t finished it, but I was working on a plan to,
409 00:32:39.580 ⇒ 00:32:43.189 Uttam Kumaran: add sort of a Markdown reader to the platform.
410 00:32:43.490 ⇒ 00:32:45.249 Uttam Kumaran: I found a pretty good repo.
411 00:32:45.580 ⇒ 00:32:47.000 Uttam Kumaran: It’s not Obsidian.
412 00:32:47.240 ⇒ 00:32:50.949 Uttam Kumaran: Because I kind of want to see how we can keep everything sort of OSS, but…
413 00:32:51.110 ⇒ 00:32:53.820 Uttam Kumaran: It’s sort of like a markdown renderer and reader.
414 00:32:55.840 ⇒ 00:33:00.689 Uttam Kumaran: That way, you don’t have to go into Cursor to see all this stuff, you can actually just see it at the platform.
415 00:33:02.910 ⇒ 00:33:07.699 Uttam Kumaran: So again, that’s a good example of, like, that’s such a small thing that maybe I do the first version.
416 00:33:08.130 ⇒ 00:33:10.850 Uttam Kumaran: Show proof of life, and then hand it to you guys for, like.
417 00:33:11.310 ⇒ 00:33:14.049 Uttam Kumaran: Okay, here’s, like, maybe the roadmap around it, you know?
418 00:33:15.750 ⇒ 00:33:21.789 Uttam Kumaran: So what’s, like, a… do you guys have any thoughts on, like, best way for me to, like, organize these roadmaps? Like…
419 00:33:22.200 ⇒ 00:33:26.229 Uttam Kumaran: Do you prefer I just keep it in the repo? Should I create a GitHub issue?
420 00:33:26.410 ⇒ 00:33:27.660 Uttam Kumaran: Like, what’s…
421 00:33:28.610 ⇒ 00:33:39.149 Uttam Kumaran: If that… if that’s, like, not my full-time job, I want to make sure that those are all… well, that’s not my full-time job, but it’s, like, that’s my main role here. I want to make sure that those are, like, super, super effective.
422 00:33:39.340 ⇒ 00:33:40.810 Uttam Kumaran: For you guys, so that…
423 00:33:41.310 ⇒ 00:33:47.169 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, like, so if there’s anything missing or anything you think I should… where I should put it, that’d be really helpful, the feedback.
424 00:33:50.700 ⇒ 00:33:57.729 Davis Dunham: Looking… looking at, the linear. Linear has a, a tier above projects, right?
425 00:33:58.360 ⇒ 00:34:01.790 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, it has, initiatives, and then initiative is milestones.
426 00:34:03.140 ⇒ 00:34:09.080 Davis Dunham: I wonder if we could use the, like, initiatives.
427 00:34:09.300 ⇒ 00:34:16.439 Davis Dunham: if you’d be able… if you’d be able to tie your, like, PRDs to initiatives? Or, sorry.
428 00:34:16.449 ⇒ 00:34:19.089 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, I can create an initiative.
429 00:34:19.090 ⇒ 00:34:26.389 Davis Dunham: Like, create initiative for, like, the sprints, and then store the projects in there, and then just have them, like, assigned to us, because then at that point.
430 00:34:26.949 ⇒ 00:34:28.859 Davis Dunham: They’re organized by…
431 00:34:28.860 ⇒ 00:34:30.540 Uttam Kumaran: Down, or you can take it from there.
432 00:34:30.540 ⇒ 00:34:31.750 Davis Dunham: Exactly.
433 00:34:31.750 ⇒ 00:34:37.600 Uttam Kumaran: Okay, so let’s do that. So let me… I’ll go ahead and create this print structure. I’ll throw these…
434 00:34:37.790 ⇒ 00:34:40.329 Uttam Kumaran: So then what I’ll do is, like, for every,
435 00:34:40.780 ⇒ 00:34:51.339 Uttam Kumaran: project, there’ll be some projects that are in backlog, where I’ll be working on the plans, and then we’ll just throw it into active, and then I’ll sign the project to you guys, and you can decide if you want to break it down further to tickets, or just want to
436 00:34:51.480 ⇒ 00:34:54.509 Uttam Kumaran: Create, like, one ticket that’s, like, due project.
437 00:34:54.739 ⇒ 00:34:57.449 Uttam Kumaran: You know, whatever that is.
438 00:34:57.790 ⇒ 00:34:58.440 Davis Dunham: Yeah.
439 00:35:01.000 ⇒ 00:35:18.320 Davis Dunham: That sounds perfect. That sounds perfect. I feel like, having that, because I like, I like it being in the repo as well, like, the platform repo as well, but just for the sake of, if there’s a bunch of projects building up, between the repo and everything, I think linear just gives us a good idea of, like, the timeline on all of those.
440 00:35:20.200 ⇒ 00:35:27.810 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, if you go into the platform linear team, you should already see that there’s a bunch of those projects, but I was just giving them an organization, so that makes sense, that’s a good idea.
441 00:35:29.040 ⇒ 00:35:30.580 Davis Dunham: Yeah, I see him.
442 00:35:35.820 ⇒ 00:35:40.090 Uttam Kumaran: Okay, cool, and then… I don’t know, I think another thing that could be fun is, like.
443 00:35:40.360 ⇒ 00:35:42.820 Uttam Kumaran: Maybe we do a little internal release?
444 00:35:42.960 ⇒ 00:35:51.119 Uttam Kumaran: meeting on Friday, and then… I honestly am more interested in, like, what you guys are learning about developing with, like, tight timelines.
445 00:35:51.790 ⇒ 00:35:54.380 Uttam Kumaran: And, like, sharing best practices.
446 00:35:54.900 ⇒ 00:36:01.119 Uttam Kumaran: Because ultimately, I think the… now that we have three heads thinking about this problem.
447 00:36:01.340 ⇒ 00:36:04.199 Uttam Kumaran: The more that we can learn from each other, the better.
448 00:36:04.550 ⇒ 00:36:10.280 Uttam Kumaran: So I don’t want it to just be a cool break, and then all three of us go off, like, being able to come back and reflect.
449 00:36:10.810 ⇒ 00:36:16.519 Uttam Kumaran: Or at least have, like, 30 minutes for us to, like, reflect on, like, What worked, what sucked, like…
450 00:36:16.700 ⇒ 00:36:18.650 Uttam Kumaran: How do we think we can ship faster?
451 00:36:19.320 ⇒ 00:36:23.559 Uttam Kumaran: that maybe it doesn’t have to be every week, but I kind of wanted to do a little bit of a retro
452 00:36:23.680 ⇒ 00:36:25.880 Uttam Kumaran: Frequently, kind of around that topic.
453 00:36:26.430 ⇒ 00:36:27.789 Davis Dunham: Mmm, I’m down for that.
454 00:36:28.020 ⇒ 00:36:29.490 Davis Dunham: And they’d be really good for me.
455 00:36:34.760 ⇒ 00:36:45.170 Uttam Kumaran: And then, yeah, I don’t know, maybe, Mustafa, do you want to tell… I think it’d be a helpful story for you to tell Davis how, we first got in contact, but actually, more importantly, like, how you got into…
456 00:36:45.300 ⇒ 00:36:51.920 Uttam Kumaran: this world, because Davis is just getting into, sort of this, like, full-time job doing AI stuff.
457 00:36:52.130 ⇒ 00:36:52.649 Uttam Kumaran: And I don’.
458 00:36:52.650 ⇒ 00:36:53.090 Mustafa Raja: Oh, okay.
459 00:36:53.090 ⇒ 00:36:56.060 Uttam Kumaran: Your story could be pretty…
460 00:36:56.360 ⇒ 00:36:58.650 Uttam Kumaran: It’d be pretty inspiring for him, because…
461 00:36:59.130 ⇒ 00:37:02.010 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, he’s also kind of in your boat last year.
462 00:37:03.770 ⇒ 00:37:13.369 Mustafa Raja: So, the way we met was through Discord. So, prior to this job, I was a freelancer.
463 00:37:13.730 ⇒ 00:37:31.650 Mustafa Raja: And I would, you know, have my Upwork, and then the other way I hunt projects is through, you know, answering questions on communities, like Lama Index, Langchin, and stuff like that, right? And that is how Utam and I met.
464 00:37:31.930 ⇒ 00:37:33.460 Mustafa Raja: Through this…
465 00:37:33.460 ⇒ 00:37:34.020 Davis Dunham: Sick.
466 00:37:34.020 ⇒ 00:37:44.509 Mustafa Raja: And then, yeah, we did a few back-and-forth messages, and then a few interviews, and here I am. And I’m absolutely loving this life.
467 00:37:44.830 ⇒ 00:37:45.710 Davis Dunham: Heck yeah.
468 00:37:47.520 ⇒ 00:37:48.150 Uttam Kumaran: Yes, hi.
469 00:37:48.150 ⇒ 00:38:04.929 Mustafa Raja: I started with web development, and then got into mobile development, and then AI engineering, and sort of how I got in all of this is through my professors that were teaching me at that time. They’d have their own projects that they would want me to work on.
470 00:38:05.000 ⇒ 00:38:08.350 Mustafa Raja: And that is how I got into it.
471 00:38:08.430 ⇒ 00:38:10.130 Mustafa Raja: All this development stuff.
472 00:38:11.420 ⇒ 00:38:12.260 Davis Dunham: That’s really cool.
473 00:38:15.340 ⇒ 00:38:22.250 Uttam Kumaran: So yeah, don’t be worried, everybody is just figuring it out, so… Yeah. Yeah, that’s all I’ll say.
474 00:38:23.930 ⇒ 00:38:29.950 Davis Dunham: Well, heck yeah, I, the fact that, mustafa, you’re now the,
475 00:38:30.560 ⇒ 00:38:39.259 Davis Dunham: one of Utam’s go-to guys for, the sprints, man. You know, that progress is awesome, and I hope to follow in your footsteps, man.
476 00:38:39.890 ⇒ 00:38:41.099 Mustafa Raja: Oh, thank you.
477 00:38:42.640 ⇒ 00:39:02.270 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, I just think, like, this group is really optimistic and is enthusiastic, and you kind of need… you kind of need that, you know, because there’s no rulebook, there’s no way, there’s no clear path, but what you have in me is, like… and you know, Mustafa, like, I’ll try to get us all the whatever we need, pay for it, and get us good projects and things like that, and…
478 00:39:02.380 ⇒ 00:39:13.490 Uttam Kumaran: that you guys return the favor, even slightly, like, we’re gonna be rockin’. And then ultimately, like, we shift, and we start doing this for clients, and I think you guys are sort of thinking about a little bit of a new structure.
479 00:39:13.660 ⇒ 00:39:22.300 Uttam Kumaran: Where, you know, we have a lot of people like me who are developing plans and things like that, and then a small, tight group of people that are executing
480 00:39:22.490 ⇒ 00:39:24.699 Uttam Kumaran: You know, kind of like a factory mindset.
481 00:39:25.040 ⇒ 00:39:33.759 Uttam Kumaran: But ultimately, like, not everybody is, like, 100% AI first. That’s what I’m kind of, like, my requirement for you guys is, like.
482 00:39:34.190 ⇒ 00:39:38.599 Uttam Kumaran: Like, really push the pedal, and see what’s possible.
483 00:39:38.870 ⇒ 00:39:45.420 Uttam Kumaran: Like, and assume that, like, My next immediate ask is gonna be two missions a week, and then…
484 00:39:45.420 ⇒ 00:39:46.260 Mustafa Raja: Yeah.
485 00:39:46.480 ⇒ 00:39:50.700 Uttam Kumaran: More missions, more missions, right? So, just assume that that’s coming.
486 00:39:51.010 ⇒ 00:39:56.529 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, and I have about 50 in the backlog, so all my planning is going to…
487 00:39:56.720 ⇒ 00:40:00.819 Uttam Kumaran: 51, 52. The plans are already there, so…
488 00:40:00.820 ⇒ 00:40:01.470 Davis Dunham: Yeah.
489 00:40:01.470 ⇒ 00:40:02.020 Uttam Kumaran: -Oh.
490 00:40:02.460 ⇒ 00:40:06.889 Uttam Kumaran: Cool. Okay, guys, this is really, really great. Yeah, let’s plan to do…
491 00:40:07.110 ⇒ 00:40:10.769 Uttam Kumaran: something again, like, on Friday, but yeah, hit me up for stuff on…
492 00:40:10.920 ⇒ 00:40:16.300 Uttam Kumaran: Wednesday, Thursday, and I’ll send some stuff on the platform channel tonight. I’m gonna get some stuff, so…
493 00:40:16.630 ⇒ 00:40:24.009 Davis Dunham: Cool. Last question for me, do you… so you want me to focus the, deck creator for this week?
494 00:40:25.470 ⇒ 00:40:26.960 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, I mean, I guess, like.
495 00:40:27.960 ⇒ 00:40:42.330 Uttam Kumaran: I don’t know, I’m sort of torn. I guess my question to you is, like, how… how far do you think you think you can get on the deck creator versus… we still have some… we still have a pretty good PRD on the Slack Assistant,
496 00:40:42.950 ⇒ 00:40:45.260 Uttam Kumaran: That could be really nice to work on.
497 00:40:45.620 ⇒ 00:40:50.429 Uttam Kumaran: I don’t know, like, what do you think about shifting to that, maybe?
498 00:40:51.120 ⇒ 00:40:52.369 Davis Dunham: Why don’t I.
499 00:40:52.370 ⇒ 00:40:53.040 Uttam Kumaran: a bunch of time.
500 00:40:53.860 ⇒ 00:40:58.130 Davis Dunham: Well, I haven’t put… I’ve put some time into the Deck Creator, not a ton yet.
501 00:40:58.440 ⇒ 00:41:04.860 Davis Dunham: why don’t I focus the Slack Assistant, and then, do the deck creator kind of, like…
502 00:41:05.120 ⇒ 00:41:08.250 Davis Dunham: on the every-other-message type thing, you know what I mean?
503 00:41:09.340 ⇒ 00:41:14.640 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, it’s also, like, it’s also, like, one thing is, maybe if you can…
504 00:41:15.190 ⇒ 00:41:22.840 Uttam Kumaran: But even on the decorator, a good question is, like, hey, I need to find open source refills to do this. Like, I can go search for those.
505 00:41:23.000 ⇒ 00:41:29.459 Uttam Kumaran: But, like, I don’t know, I think, like, the Slack Assistant, I feel like we have a pretty robust roadmap already.
506 00:41:29.570 ⇒ 00:41:31.809 Uttam Kumaran: And we have, like, kind of a V1 shift.
507 00:41:32.190 ⇒ 00:41:43.530 Uttam Kumaran: So, we kind of just need to, like, get that to the finish line on a few features, and I think Casey just shipped a bunch of stuff over the weekend, so I would honestly vote for that versus the decorator.
508 00:41:43.710 ⇒ 00:41:48.910 Uttam Kumaran: But if you have any open-ended questions on Deck Creator that I can spend an hour on.
509 00:41:49.210 ⇒ 00:41:54.039 Uttam Kumaran: keep pushing, I can do that. If it’s like, hey, we need a more robust plan or something, I can do that.
510 00:41:54.220 ⇒ 00:42:02.769 Uttam Kumaran: But I think the Slack assistant would be a good pivot. And it’s pretty fun, and, like, literally, if you ship that and it’s always working, like, you’ll be here on Friday.
511 00:42:03.320 ⇒ 00:42:16.810 Davis Dunham: Hell yeah. Okay, cool. I will, I’ll focus Slack Assistant then, and then I’ll do, I’ll do some… I’ll leave, like, 15% of the back of my brain for the deck creator, and I’ll send you any kind of questions and or updates for the PRD, if necessary.
512 00:42:17.340 ⇒ 00:42:20.220 Uttam Kumaran: Cool. Yeah, I think you guys will find that, like.
513 00:42:20.330 ⇒ 00:42:31.510 Uttam Kumaran: you can actually work on multiple things at a time, but once you’ve pushed, like, 5 different projects, start to hit capacity, like, I don’t know, I start to… I’m starting to hit capacity. The more it’s like…
514 00:42:31.860 ⇒ 00:42:36.950 Uttam Kumaran: Hey, can you instead, like, instead of going, like, shallow on 5, can you go deep on 2?
515 00:42:37.460 ⇒ 00:42:38.380 Uttam Kumaran: You know?
516 00:42:38.840 ⇒ 00:42:39.340 Davis Dunham: Yeah.
517 00:42:39.340 ⇒ 00:42:40.500 Uttam Kumaran: Interesting, yeah.
518 00:42:41.220 ⇒ 00:42:41.830 Davis Dunham: Yeah.
519 00:42:43.630 ⇒ 00:42:46.540 Uttam Kumaran: Okay. Awesome, guys. Thank you for the time.
520 00:42:47.030 ⇒ 00:42:47.630 Mustafa Raja: Thank you!
521 00:42:47.630 ⇒ 00:42:49.769 Davis Dunham: Cool, y’all. Nice to meet you, Mustafa.
522 00:42:50.310 ⇒ 00:42:51.299 Mustafa Raja: Nice to meet you, too.
523 00:42:52.190 ⇒ 00:42:53.419 Uttam Kumaran: I’ll talk to you guys soon.
524 00:42:54.380 ⇒ 00:42:55.100 Mustafa Raja: Bye-bye.
525 00:42:57.230 ⇒ 00:42:58.040 Mustafa Raja: Excuse me.