Meeting Title: Brainforge Skills Platform Sync Date: 2026-05-01 Meeting participants: Uttam Kumaran, Davis Dunham
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1 00:02:04.410 ⇒ 00:02:06.250 Davis Dunham: Here we go. Hey there, man.
2 00:02:06.660 ⇒ 00:02:08.440 Davis Dunham: turn on Zoom on my laptop.
3 00:02:08.440 ⇒ 00:02:09.280 Uttam Kumaran: You’re good.
4 00:02:13.370 ⇒ 00:02:17.379 Davis Dunham: Dude, I’m already in the point where I need to switch over to Orca.
5 00:02:17.850 ⇒ 00:02:19.310 Uttam Kumaran: Why? Oh, really?
6 00:02:19.310 ⇒ 00:02:25.869 Davis Dunham: I’m just, I just got, like, I got, like, a couple different, a couple different, like, workflows running at the same time.
7 00:02:25.910 ⇒ 00:02:27.930 Uttam Kumaran: I know, you can try it.
8 00:02:27.930 ⇒ 00:02:32.810 Davis Dunham: Yeah, I’m already hitting the, like, the issue with branches. The lower trees? Yeah, exactly.
9 00:02:32.810 ⇒ 00:02:35.569 Uttam Kumaran: Yes, good! Good.
10 00:02:36.640 ⇒ 00:02:39.500 Uttam Kumaran: What’d you think of the meeting, earlier?
11 00:02:39.500 ⇒ 00:02:40.359 Davis Dunham: That was fun.
12 00:02:40.360 ⇒ 00:02:51.490 Uttam Kumaran: really glad that you got to say hi to everybody. Kayla said that… she was like, actually, like, I understood what he was saying, and, like, I don’t even really know much about skills, and so…
13 00:02:51.490 ⇒ 00:02:52.529 Davis Dunham: That’s awesome. You did a really great job.
14 00:02:52.530 ⇒ 00:02:54.169 Uttam Kumaran: Bob, I appreciate you taking the time to…
15 00:02:54.170 ⇒ 00:02:54.690 Davis Dunham: Yeah.
16 00:02:54.690 ⇒ 00:02:55.380 Uttam Kumaran: do that.
17 00:02:55.710 ⇒ 00:02:59.410 Davis Dunham: Yeah, I, I was, I don’t know if…
18 00:02:59.410 ⇒ 00:03:01.189 Uttam Kumaran: I thought you were nervous, but don’t worry.
19 00:03:01.850 ⇒ 00:03:02.250 Uttam Kumaran: Oh, word.
20 00:03:02.250 ⇒ 00:03:02.990 Davis Dunham: I’m nervous.
21 00:03:03.150 ⇒ 00:03:04.060 Uttam Kumaran: You were good.
22 00:03:04.460 ⇒ 00:03:06.900 Uttam Kumaran: You know really well, so, like, that’s…
23 00:03:07.410 ⇒ 00:03:11.109 Uttam Kumaran: that’s it, and you have an audience that’s, like, gonna benefit. Like, everybody there.
24 00:03:11.450 ⇒ 00:03:18.190 Uttam Kumaran: needs what you’re doing. Like, so, you are… you… you basically have a product with 30, like.
25 00:03:18.850 ⇒ 00:03:21.470 Uttam Kumaran: like, pretty important users, you know, like…
26 00:03:21.470 ⇒ 00:03:21.930 Davis Dunham: Yeah.
27 00:03:21.930 ⇒ 00:03:31.659 Uttam Kumaran: So, it’s like… it’s as important, but also, like, that’s why everything you’re gonna see is I’m gonna say, like, yeah, get into PR, let’s go, let’s just keep… keep rolling, you know?
28 00:03:31.660 ⇒ 00:03:32.240 Davis Dunham: Yeah, man.
29 00:03:32.240 ⇒ 00:03:33.160 Uttam Kumaran: as part of
30 00:03:33.400 ⇒ 00:03:42.089 Uttam Kumaran: this is gonna just be, like, execution speed. And I’m just happy to have another person sort of, like, thinking about this stuff, and can kind of bounce ideas off of, you know?
31 00:03:42.330 ⇒ 00:03:49.790 Davis Dunham: Yeah, dude, I… I actually… and I have… I have a couple of things that I wanted to bounce off you, if you have the… the mental space for it.
32 00:03:51.300 ⇒ 00:04:01.440 Davis Dunham: So I have, I’ve used a little bit of my own Claude code as well for just some of the… the skill stuff specifically, just because I just… I want, like, a…
33 00:04:01.980 ⇒ 00:04:18.600 Davis Dunham: a real smart model on the open-ended skill stuff, just because it’s, like, with skills and them being kind of mushy, you know? Just the idea of, like, it’s not hard code. Anything that isn’t, like, worded really well trickles down, in terms of, like, the… if you’re using, like, simpler models.
34 00:04:18.750 ⇒ 00:04:27.640 Davis Dunham: But… It’s currently working on, this…
35 00:04:28.220 ⇒ 00:04:35.030 Davis Dunham: working on… the, like, the CRON, the consolidation step. Okay. And I have it essentially just doing,
36 00:04:36.040 ⇒ 00:04:38.650 Davis Dunham: Let’s see here… I have it doing,
37 00:04:39.760 ⇒ 00:04:56.929 Davis Dunham: it just does one pass. Once a week, one pass on new skills, and then if it thinks that they’re, good candidates for, clustering into an orchestrator, it just will mark them as that, and if it thinks that they’re not good candidates, it’ll just mark them as ignore, and then so next time around, next week, it’ll just ignore them.
38 00:04:57.040 ⇒ 00:05:04.359 Davis Dunham: And it uses the tagging that I already have set up of the skill review tagging, if skills change, for comparison.
39 00:05:04.520 ⇒ 00:05:09.700 Davis Dunham: Which is fun, but I’ve been thinking about, like, how we distribute skills in general.
40 00:05:09.910 ⇒ 00:05:10.630 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah.
41 00:05:10.630 ⇒ 00:05:25.919 Davis Dunham: And the best way to do this, I need to figure out how, submodules work, because I’m not fully sure. As far as I know, it’s kind of just, like, another repo that you are taking and pasting into your own repo as, like, a portion of your repo, right?
42 00:05:25.920 ⇒ 00:05:27.300 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah. Basically.
43 00:05:27.500 ⇒ 00:05:29.230 Davis Dunham: Cool. In that case.
44 00:05:29.230 ⇒ 00:05:34.399 Uttam Kumaran: Well, it’s like, yeah, I think kind of. I also don’t know the exact mechanics, but something like that.
45 00:05:34.580 ⇒ 00:05:43.040 Davis Dunham: Yeah, I’ll figure… I’m gonna figure out those mechanics. I think that I’d like skills to be…
46 00:05:43.440 ⇒ 00:05:46.119 Davis Dunham: desynced from platform.
47 00:05:46.240 ⇒ 00:05:51.229 Davis Dunham: It exists… the source of truth exists in the Marketplace repo.
48 00:05:51.500 ⇒ 00:05:59.789 Davis Dunham: And then we, like, initialize a submodule in the platform repo, so only the platform-specific skills are going to that.
49 00:06:00.490 ⇒ 00:06:02.470 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, I agree. I think that’s fine.
50 00:06:02.600 ⇒ 00:06:13.709 Uttam Kumaran: And then, frankly, what we can do is, like, we can create our almost… I was about to send… I just, like, wrote some of these ideas down, is, like, we could probably create something on the platform that’s, like, adds skill to, like.
51 00:06:13.810 ⇒ 00:06:15.629 Uttam Kumaran: Whatever surface you’re on, like.
52 00:06:15.630 ⇒ 00:06:16.360 Davis Dunham: Yes.
53 00:06:17.230 ⇒ 00:06:21.369 Uttam Kumaran: So then it’s kind of like, you’re more adding it to your machine, not really adding it to, like.
54 00:06:21.490 ⇒ 00:06:29.839 Uttam Kumaran: Because right now, it’s so tied with the repo, and I want to decouple the repo. I mean, the repo was, like, what got us here, but I’m trying to start to decouple
55 00:06:29.970 ⇒ 00:06:35.490 Uttam Kumaran: from the repo entirely. Like, one thing I’m working on is… I’m working on a transcript search skill.
56 00:06:35.620 ⇒ 00:06:39.129 Uttam Kumaran: And then I’m actually gonna move all the transcripts to, like, the database.
57 00:06:39.510 ⇒ 00:06:40.079 Davis Dunham: That’s sick.
58 00:06:40.080 ⇒ 00:06:49.690 Uttam Kumaran: That’ll remove, like… that’ll remove, like, 100,000 files, get some better for security. Yeah, and then, like, it’s easier to search and embed all those.
59 00:06:49.690 ⇒ 00:06:50.280 Davis Dunham: Yes.
60 00:06:50.280 ⇒ 00:06:52.890 Uttam Kumaran: So, I think we’re decoupling from the repo
61 00:06:53.360 ⇒ 00:06:55.489 Uttam Kumaran: Like, which is good. It’s, like, positive.
62 00:06:55.490 ⇒ 00:07:13.830 Davis Dunham: Yeah, I’m on that same… that same track with skills right now, because at that point, if we have it in the marketplace, you can have it set up so you can have, like, a… like a subscription-style thing, where it’s like, I want the engineering suite of skills, and you just click on subscribe in the marketplace, and then it just… whenever changes happen there, it just auto-updates in…
63 00:07:14.280 ⇒ 00:07:21.349 Davis Dunham: And that’s what I… I gotta figure out the best way to set it up with, like, where to put it in the root directory, because if you’re working in…
64 00:07:21.770 ⇒ 00:07:29.910 Davis Dunham: Specifically, brainforge-platform, it can’t be in a directory above, or it’s not gonna find those, I think.
65 00:07:30.870 ⇒ 00:07:42.369 Davis Dunham: So I’m gonna… I’m gonna do a little research and figure out just how it… how it, like, does skill detection in the first place, because we’re also working between open code and cursor, and I’m kind of preferring cursor right now.
66 00:07:42.370 ⇒ 00:07:43.569 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, I think…
67 00:07:43.570 ⇒ 00:07:48.910 Davis Dunham: in the end, down the line, you know, and this is gonna take some time for sure, I think that at some point.
68 00:07:49.530 ⇒ 00:07:52.050 Davis Dunham: We just gotta make our own harness that’ll be, like…
69 00:07:52.050 ⇒ 00:07:57.829 Uttam Kumaran: So we’re… yeah, I… actually, maybe while we’re on the phone, I can show you a couple things. So one is, like.
70 00:07:57.950 ⇒ 00:08:03.330 Uttam Kumaran: this is gonna be sort of our new interface for a lot of people. Yes. It’s gonna be, like, the work platform.
71 00:08:03.330 ⇒ 00:08:03.769 Davis Dunham: I’ve seen that.
72 00:08:03.770 ⇒ 00:08:11.059 Uttam Kumaran: It’s still, like, a little bit buggy, but I’m, like, trying to wrap it up. So in this sense, nobody will even… there’s no sense of a repo, really.
73 00:08:11.060 ⇒ 00:08:11.600 Davis Dunham: Yes.
74 00:08:11.600 ⇒ 00:08:14.309 Uttam Kumaran: Like, you’ll be able to go in here and see skills and things like that.
75 00:08:14.310 ⇒ 00:08:14.860 Davis Dunham: That’s sick.
76 00:08:14.860 ⇒ 00:08:16.660 Uttam Kumaran: What a great area for you to go…
77 00:08:16.960 ⇒ 00:08:22.669 Uttam Kumaran: spend some time, like, even just using AI to help you read through, is I wrote a lot about
78 00:08:22.890 ⇒ 00:08:26.540 Uttam Kumaran: The, sort of vision for the platform.
79 00:08:26.870 ⇒ 00:08:35.379 Uttam Kumaran: Here, and so there’s… Stuff on… let’s see if there’s a plan… or actually…
80 00:08:42.799 ⇒ 00:08:45.219 Uttam Kumaran: Let me see where it is…
81 00:08:49.760 ⇒ 00:08:56.730 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, so this is sort of, like, our initial team charter, where we basically talked about, like,
82 00:08:57.340 ⇒ 00:09:00.019 Uttam Kumaran: We have, like, humans, you have agents.
83 00:09:00.460 ⇒ 00:09:03.260 Uttam Kumaran: And then you have, like, these are, like, the core primitives.
84 00:09:04.450 ⇒ 00:09:10.690 Uttam Kumaran: context, specs, verification, execution, Observation and safety.
85 00:09:11.410 ⇒ 00:09:14.189 Uttam Kumaran: And then, basically, we have stuff for, like.
86 00:09:14.370 ⇒ 00:09:16.769 Uttam Kumaran: Plans for our own harness here.
87 00:09:16.930 ⇒ 00:09:17.520 Davis Dunham: That’s sick.
88 00:09:17.520 ⇒ 00:09:18.779 Uttam Kumaran: I have not done it.
89 00:09:18.890 ⇒ 00:09:19.739 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, I mean, that’s true.
90 00:09:19.740 ⇒ 00:09:20.210 Davis Dunham: hard…
91 00:09:20.210 ⇒ 00:09:22.049 Uttam Kumaran: Take it, and do it.
92 00:09:22.360 ⇒ 00:09:26.260 Uttam Kumaran: But, as I mentioned, We have, like, a shitload of plans.
93 00:09:26.460 ⇒ 00:09:31.619 Uttam Kumaran: already written, that are like, this was written… Two months ago.
94 00:09:31.760 ⇒ 00:09:33.530 Uttam Kumaran: It probably could get updated.
95 00:09:33.730 ⇒ 00:09:41.959 Uttam Kumaran: But yes, we will need our own harness. And then, ideally, what it’s like is, like, you almost submit a job to, like, a queue. The harness executes.
96 00:09:41.960 ⇒ 00:09:42.610 Davis Dunham: Yep.
97 00:09:42.610 ⇒ 00:09:46.890 Uttam Kumaran: Right? So you’re… it’s almost submitting, it’s like our open code instance that can do something.
98 00:09:46.890 ⇒ 00:09:47.270 Davis Dunham: Yeah.
99 00:09:47.270 ⇒ 00:09:51.710 Uttam Kumaran: how I’m thinking about it. But there’s a lot in here, like, there’s… if you look into this
100 00:09:52.330 ⇒ 00:09:55.810 Uttam Kumaran: So, within plans, there’s a lot, but within, like.
101 00:09:56.040 ⇒ 00:09:59.860 Uttam Kumaran: I also have in here, like, our sort of platform infrastructure plan.
102 00:10:00.100 ⇒ 00:10:01.810 Uttam Kumaran: Which is a little bit about, like.
103 00:10:02.010 ⇒ 00:10:05.240 Uttam Kumaran: Okay, what’s gonna be, like, where’s our website? How do we do auth?
104 00:10:05.840 ⇒ 00:10:10.439 Uttam Kumaran: So there’s a lot of stuff written that I probably should honestly just consolidate.
105 00:10:11.870 ⇒ 00:10:16.090 Uttam Kumaran: And then I wrote a bit of a… actually, this doesn’t have the open work plan, it’s somewhere else.
106 00:10:16.340 ⇒ 00:10:17.440 Uttam Kumaran: And then…
107 00:10:18.790 ⇒ 00:10:25.090 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, like, this was a good example of, like, how I was thinking about, like, agent browser, like.
108 00:10:25.580 ⇒ 00:10:30.940 Uttam Kumaran: Standardizing, like, a browser for agents so that they can use it, interact with our, like.
109 00:10:31.700 ⇒ 00:10:36.380 Uttam Kumaran: Cool set, and, like, you can do pretty good end-to-end testing,
110 00:10:37.570 ⇒ 00:10:41.930 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, there’s just some good… there’s just, like, plans all over the place in here that are, like…
111 00:10:42.480 ⇒ 00:10:46.949 Uttam Kumaran: So, that’s why I think if you’re thinking about any things, just, you could just type in, like, have we thought about it before?
112 00:10:47.190 ⇒ 00:10:47.680 Davis Dunham: Cool.
113 00:10:47.680 ⇒ 00:10:51.189 Uttam Kumaran: Cause there’s gonna be some… yeah, there’s some good stuff in here.
114 00:10:52.040 ⇒ 00:11:04.040 Davis Dunham: Man, I would, because at this point, I guess the roadblock I’m hitting with, the skill audit is I can do a lot of the, kind of, the more basic stuff.
115 00:11:06.080 ⇒ 00:11:25.300 Davis Dunham: you know, well, the issue is, is as soon as we get into, like, actually, like, doing good skill automation… Yeah. …in terms of just, like, auto-selecting skills, stuff like that, like, we’re… I’m… I’m too reliant on… or… cursor is… just has the way it wants to do things already, and I don’t have any control of that.
116 00:11:25.390 ⇒ 00:11:36.600 Davis Dunham: And in terms of also, like, the subscription for skills, that kind of thing, all of this, like, infrastructure is way more complex.
117 00:11:37.200 ⇒ 00:11:38.200 Uttam Kumaran: Mmm…
118 00:11:38.200 ⇒ 00:11:44.639 Davis Dunham: integrating into Cursor and other things, versus if we did it into our own harness, it would be…
119 00:11:44.760 ⇒ 00:11:55.769 Davis Dunham: you know, it… well, it’d be much simpler. I don’t know about simple, but it’d be much simpler, because you’d even… in the harness itself, it’s like, you have an option for what package you subscribe to, and then it just auto-updates and keeps.
120 00:11:55.770 ⇒ 00:11:56.180 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah.
121 00:11:56.180 ⇒ 00:12:00.549 Davis Dunham: A separate directory that it then accesses that never even touches, you know.
122 00:12:00.550 ⇒ 00:12:04.410 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, yeah, and then a platform team is the one upgrading all the skills, and like, yeah.
123 00:12:04.410 ⇒ 00:12:17.749 Davis Dunham: Yeah, exactly. And then, at that point, we also get metrics from that for, like, who’s using skills, what skills aren’t used, which we can then use for consolidation and upgrading them. Yeah. Either way, I know you already know all this, I.
124 00:12:17.750 ⇒ 00:12:22.720 Uttam Kumaran: No, I mean, I agree, dude. I think it’s… part of this is, like, I think me and you need to think about, like.
125 00:12:23.770 ⇒ 00:12:32.160 Uttam Kumaran: separation of work, too. Like, I feel like I’m actually worse at, like, UI in, like, building apps. I’m much better at, like, infrastructure.
126 00:12:32.820 ⇒ 00:12:36.790 Uttam Kumaran: So if you’re, like, you go figure out, like, the harness?
127 00:12:37.000 ⇒ 00:12:42.250 Uttam Kumaran: And then I’ll be like, will you figure out getting Braidforge work to, like, work consistently?
128 00:12:42.250 ⇒ 00:12:42.910 Davis Dunham: Yeah.
129 00:12:42.910 ⇒ 00:12:45.730 Uttam Kumaran: That’d be my dream, actually, because I suck at this. I’m like…
130 00:12:46.050 ⇒ 00:12:53.250 Uttam Kumaran: okay, but I just, like, cannot deal with front-end bugs and, like, certain… I don’t like… I like this, like.
131 00:12:53.460 ⇒ 00:12:55.629 Uttam Kumaran: Make this work across everything.
132 00:12:55.630 ⇒ 00:12:56.060 Davis Dunham: Yes.
133 00:12:56.060 ⇒ 00:12:59.560 Uttam Kumaran: okay, like, I like that type of… I like that type of challenge, versus, like.
134 00:12:59.930 ⇒ 00:13:10.769 Uttam Kumaran: But also, like, for example, like, I built a Slack assistant. It’s been so painful for me to, like, figure out these, like, niche ed cases, versus, like, I know all the core parts of the architecture.
135 00:13:10.770 ⇒ 00:13:11.180 Davis Dunham: Yes.
136 00:13:11.180 ⇒ 00:13:14.450 Uttam Kumaran: I was like, cool, I shipped a V1, now it needs, like, these, like, 100 features.
137 00:13:14.450 ⇒ 00:13:15.600 Davis Dunham: Yeah.
138 00:13:15.600 ⇒ 00:13:18.080 Uttam Kumaran: And you just ripped all the 100 features from me.
139 00:13:18.080 ⇒ 00:13:25.160 Davis Dunham: Yeah, dude, yeah. And I’m gonna… I’m going to… after I’m done with, this…
140 00:13:26.210 ⇒ 00:13:35.979 Davis Dunham: Because, I mean, once we have this, it’ll… I think we’re at, like, a good space right now before we get to, like, the complexity of, like, making a whole harness, and then, like, brain forge work.
141 00:13:36.060 ⇒ 00:13:49.150 Davis Dunham: I think after this, we’ll have a weekly, you know, a CROND, consolidation, automated consolidation step. We have the indexing, and then the skill review tags, and then we have stuff… I have docs
142 00:13:49.170 ⇒ 00:13:58.110 Davis Dunham: made, I just shipped a PR. I didn’t ship it, I guess I just submitted a PR, with, the Orchestrator Best Practices Doc as well.
143 00:13:59.720 ⇒ 00:14:11.490 Davis Dunham: So I think after this, we’re at, like, a comfortable place with skills, specifically, and then I’m gonna lean into… I already started on the slide generator, the deck generator proof of concept.
144 00:14:11.710 ⇒ 00:14:17.090 Davis Dunham: I’m gonna work on that, and then I’ll work on, work, Brainforge work as well.
145 00:14:17.880 ⇒ 00:14:20.219 Uttam Kumaran: So, I guess two things,
146 00:14:20.610 ⇒ 00:14:24.839 Uttam Kumaran: Robert is having a lot of luck with Claude Cowork and slides.
147 00:14:24.840 ⇒ 00:14:25.410 Davis Dunham: Yes?
148 00:14:25.410 ⇒ 00:14:31.390 Uttam Kumaran: And there was just a clone of… flawed design. They released, like.
149 00:14:31.820 ⇒ 00:14:35.079 Uttam Kumaran: they released, like, some type of design product, I think, recently?
150 00:14:36.020 ⇒ 00:14:41.389 Uttam Kumaran: And, that also just got released. Basically, it’s, like, open design.
151 00:14:41.750 ⇒ 00:14:42.180 Davis Dunham: herd.
152 00:14:42.180 ⇒ 00:14:45.570 Uttam Kumaran: Matt, maybe I’ll send it to you, you can check it out. Yeah.
153 00:14:48.620 ⇒ 00:14:52.200 Davis Dunham: Let me see… It’s called Open Design.
154 00:14:52.480 ⇒ 00:14:54.840 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, open co-design, I just sent it to you.
155 00:15:00.270 ⇒ 00:15:05.690 Uttam Kumaran: So, honestly, This may, like, solve… Half of it.
156 00:15:06.420 ⇒ 00:15:08.559 Davis Dunham: Her… yeah, at that point, we can just adapt it.
157 00:15:09.720 ⇒ 00:15:10.410 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah.
158 00:15:14.360 ⇒ 00:15:15.939 Davis Dunham: Save that one.
159 00:15:20.970 ⇒ 00:15:22.030 Davis Dunham: Cool, man
160 00:15:23.230 ⇒ 00:15:31.049 Davis Dunham: I’ll check that out, because the only… the real thing is that we’d have to be specific with our own, design, like, app.
161 00:15:31.420 ⇒ 00:15:42.419 Davis Dunham: or, you know, tool would be… it just needs to know to look, where it needs to look for transcripts, like what’s happening with clients and stuff like that. So you can just pull directly from there.
162 00:15:42.730 ⇒ 00:15:43.300 Uttam Kumaran: Okay.
163 00:15:47.210 ⇒ 00:15:52.859 Davis Dunham: Cool, man. Well, I feel like I have some good things to work on. I was gonna ask…
164 00:15:52.980 ⇒ 00:15:58.589 Davis Dunham: How you feeling about, my work so far?
165 00:15:58.590 ⇒ 00:16:00.269 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, dude, I think you should…
166 00:16:00.400 ⇒ 00:16:09.489 Uttam Kumaran: start with us, bro. I think maybe I have two questions for you. Like, what does next week look like? Did you have… did you talk to Kayla? You were talking to her on Monday?
167 00:16:10.010 ⇒ 00:16:11.560 Davis Dunham: Yes, on Monday.
168 00:16:12.230 ⇒ 00:16:14.780 Uttam Kumaran: What does your schedule look like next week?
169 00:16:15.370 ⇒ 00:16:23.420 Uttam Kumaran: And then, like, I guess my… more of my question is, like, how much time do you need to put notice in for Sammy’s, like, if we were to give you an offer?
170 00:16:23.690 ⇒ 00:16:25.280 Davis Dunham: It’d be 2 weeks.
171 00:16:25.750 ⇒ 00:16:26.470 Uttam Kumaran: Okay, okay.
172 00:16:26.470 ⇒ 00:16:30.090 Davis Dunham: 2 weeks. I want to give him the 2 weeks out of, you know, just out of respect.
173 00:16:30.390 ⇒ 00:16:32.309 Uttam Kumaran: Okay. But how do you feel?
174 00:16:32.820 ⇒ 00:16:39.259 Davis Dunham: I… I’m… I would love that, man. I would… I would love that. I, am really enjoying this…
175 00:16:39.260 ⇒ 00:16:55.369 Davis Dunham: So far, and I’m, like, I’m really enjoying the part where I’m, like, having to learn a bunch of stuff, too. Okay. In terms of not being super familiar with just the… the whole system, and I’m still really enjoying it. I think that once I, like, it’s more intuitive for me, and I’m able to kind of flow through and make stuff, it’s gonna be even more fun.
176 00:16:55.690 ⇒ 00:17:01.739 Uttam Kumaran: How has it been, like… I know you’ve been interacting with some people on the team, but how has it been, like, with Slack and things like that? I know you’re not, like.
177 00:17:02.120 ⇒ 00:17:08.719 Uttam Kumaran: Fully on, like, a client and interacting with, like, the whole team, but, like, yeah, just, like, any reflections there?
178 00:17:09.150 ⇒ 00:17:13.959 Davis Dunham: It’s been a bit of a learning curve, but it’s been…
179 00:17:13.960 ⇒ 00:17:18.000 Uttam Kumaran: Slack and sort of, like, communicating on, like, Zoom and stuff like that. Okay, okay, cool.
180 00:17:18.000 ⇒ 00:17:23.940 Davis Dunham: Yeah, one, it’s just the… it’s something that I haven’t, like, done a bunch, but I have… at this point, I have.
181 00:17:23.940 ⇒ 00:17:34.280 Uttam Kumaran: it’s kind of a natural evolution of, like, you know, from solo to, like, I know the, the, you know, the other app you’re working on to this, right? It’s, like, sort of just, like… Yeah.
182 00:17:34.280 ⇒ 00:17:34.670 Davis Dunham: Excellent.
183 00:17:34.670 ⇒ 00:17:37.699 Uttam Kumaran: what I mentioned, which is, like, there’s team dependencies, you know?
184 00:17:37.700 ⇒ 00:17:42.919 Davis Dunham: Yeah, and I have, it was actually so sweet, Amber hit me up.
185 00:17:43.320 ⇒ 00:17:51.910 Davis Dunham: After I talked about the orchestrator and, like, best practices doc, and she was like, so good to meet you, I’d love to have a meeting on Monday, and I was like, perfect.
186 00:17:51.910 ⇒ 00:17:52.420 Uttam Kumaran: Yes.
187 00:17:52.420 ⇒ 00:17:53.499 Davis Dunham: So we had a meeting set up.
188 00:17:53.500 ⇒ 00:17:58.970 Uttam Kumaran: Our team is very resourceful. They see someone that can solve some problems, and Amber’s amazing, by the way.
189 00:17:59.140 ⇒ 00:17:59.780 Uttam Kumaran: Yay.
190 00:17:59.780 ⇒ 00:18:01.820 Davis Dunham: I heard her getting just kudos on kudos.
191 00:18:01.820 ⇒ 00:18:10.010 Uttam Kumaran: Really, really smart, yeah, and she, like, you’ll see, like, if you have something in-depth, she’s, like, gonna be a hyper user, whatever you put out.
192 00:18:10.490 ⇒ 00:18:11.360 Uttam Kumaran: So…
193 00:18:11.800 ⇒ 00:18:20.220 Uttam Kumaran: Okay. I mean, dude, I… I think, like, we would love to have you. I’ll let you and Kayla, like, iron out details, but I feel like if…
194 00:18:20.730 ⇒ 00:18:27.119 Uttam Kumaran: it would be awesome if, on Monday, you talked to Kayla, and you’re like, cool, you can put two weeks in. Like, I think you should come join us.
195 00:18:27.400 ⇒ 00:18:32.169 Uttam Kumaran: The other option is for you to, like, if you want to do part-time for a bit, and then…
196 00:18:33.320 ⇒ 00:18:38.030 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, but again, I know it’s, like, your schedule’s rough, and, like, it’d be hard for you to commit, so…
197 00:18:38.030 ⇒ 00:18:40.600 Davis Dunham: Man, I wanna… I wanna… I wanna jump on board.
198 00:18:40.600 ⇒ 00:18:41.170 Uttam Kumaran: Okay.
199 00:18:41.170 ⇒ 00:18:48.650 Davis Dunham: That’s my… that’s my goal, I will say, with, between, like, Sammy’s and then this. I wanna be,
200 00:18:49.870 ⇒ 00:18:55.880 Davis Dunham: I just… I’m working late at Sammy’s, and I love, getting off of work and continuing to do coding.
201 00:18:55.880 ⇒ 00:18:56.440 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah.
202 00:18:56.440 ⇒ 00:18:57.700 Davis Dunham: My sleep schedule just…
203 00:18:57.700 ⇒ 00:18:59.830 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, yeah, I don’t see it. Oh, yeah, yeah.
204 00:18:59.830 ⇒ 00:19:02.870 Davis Dunham: But yeah, man, I would absolutely love that.
205 00:19:02.870 ⇒ 00:19:03.430 Uttam Kumaran: Cool.
206 00:19:03.650 ⇒ 00:19:19.410 Davis Dunham: And I… next week, I’m already… I already asked them to go down to 4 days a week, so next week I’m off Monday, Wednesday… sorry, Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday. Okay. And I bet I could get, coworkers to, like, cover some shifts as well, so I just have more availability over the next 2 weeks while that’s… Okay.
207 00:19:19.970 ⇒ 00:19:24.220 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, I mean, dude, I’m actively, like, kind of penciling you in on…
208 00:19:24.430 ⇒ 00:19:26.760 Uttam Kumaran: Stop to go work on client work, so…
209 00:19:26.760 ⇒ 00:19:27.330 Davis Dunham: That’s best.
210 00:19:27.330 ⇒ 00:19:29.200 Uttam Kumaran: It’s, like, a mix of…
211 00:19:29.380 ⇒ 00:19:43.099 Uttam Kumaran: this sort of stuff, that’s a mix of, like, let’s go on-site and teach people skills and how to, like, just, like, think about AI stuff. I think the reason why you’re doing well is, like, you have a background in client service, like, through restaurant.
212 00:19:43.200 ⇒ 00:19:49.379 Uttam Kumaran: And, like, I don’t want you to lose that, because that’s actually why you’re succeeding here. Like, it’s…
213 00:19:49.620 ⇒ 00:19:53.190 Uttam Kumaran: part of it is AI stuff, and like, as you can tell.
214 00:19:53.350 ⇒ 00:20:01.280 Uttam Kumaran: like, we’ll accelerate you, you’ll figure all that out. Yeah. But the thing that actually is the VIN diagram that matters is the fact that, like.
215 00:20:01.540 ⇒ 00:20:16.709 Uttam Kumaran: you have this experience working with people in a sort of tense environment with customers, and, like, that’s how I’m trying to position you at the company, and being able to actually do that. So the more… I want you to spend actually more of your time
216 00:20:17.000 ⇒ 00:20:21.559 Uttam Kumaran: Treating the other people in the company like they were, like, your customers, like…
217 00:20:21.690 ⇒ 00:20:38.970 Uttam Kumaran: teaching and explaining, like, take Monday and explain… try to find a way to explain something to Amber that she doesn’t know. And, like, that’s actually more of what I need you to do, is bring that skill set and, like, talk way more and share way more, you know? Cool. You’re gonna see me continue to just put pressure
218 00:20:39.110 ⇒ 00:20:42.959 Uttam Kumaran: Put pressure on that way, because, like, that’s…
219 00:20:43.190 ⇒ 00:20:52.980 Uttam Kumaran: I want people to learn by example here, and I’m just yelling at everybody to sort of get on board and start to do stuff like this, and so the faster that they can…
220 00:20:53.130 ⇒ 00:20:54.190 Uttam Kumaran: find…
221 00:20:54.390 ⇒ 00:21:02.379 Uttam Kumaran: like, the joy that you found after, like, learning through this, the easier it’s gonna be for them around here. There’s not gonna be another path, frankly. Yeah.
222 00:21:02.380 ⇒ 00:21:02.790 Davis Dunham: Oh, man.
223 00:21:02.790 ⇒ 00:21:09.089 Uttam Kumaran: There’s some people who I can tell are, like, struggling, and to date, me or Bea have been the only people they can go, like.
224 00:21:09.450 ⇒ 00:21:11.120 Uttam Kumaran: Talk to, and like…
225 00:21:11.500 ⇒ 00:21:24.829 Uttam Kumaran: get a moment to understand, like, how they could use skills in their day-to-day, and I would love to be able to just send them, like, hey, just call… give Davis a 30-minute call. He’ll… he’ll diagnose, sort of, like, what you’re dealing with, and give you, like.
226 00:21:24.940 ⇒ 00:21:28.140 Uttam Kumaran: The skill, the playbook, the tip to, like.
227 00:21:28.470 ⇒ 00:21:39.039 Uttam Kumaran: start using AI, and so I think part of our time together is gonna start off like that, like, mix of platform work, mix of me basically sending anybody who’s struggling with AI
228 00:21:39.170 ⇒ 00:21:47.819 Uttam Kumaran: To, like, for you to just spend time with them, and to really gain a deep empathy for what people in our business are feeling, because.
229 00:21:47.820 ⇒ 00:21:48.390 Davis Dunham: Hmm.
230 00:21:48.390 ⇒ 00:21:53.789 Uttam Kumaran: When we go to the client, it’s way… it’s gonna be… it’s gonna be, like, prehistoric age.
231 00:21:53.930 ⇒ 00:21:54.900 Uttam Kumaran: But our job is.
232 00:21:54.900 ⇒ 00:21:55.260 Davis Dunham: Yeah.
233 00:21:55.260 ⇒ 00:21:57.290 Uttam Kumaran: Turning them to where you are.
234 00:21:57.680 ⇒ 00:22:03.790 Uttam Kumaran: So for you to, like, get reps at that with our team, In a really professional environment.
235 00:22:03.960 ⇒ 00:22:17.580 Uttam Kumaran: And you’re gonna see, it’s, like, it’s professional and serious, but the technology’s new, and so there’s a lot of leeway. And so that exact same thing is what we’re gonna go do for clients. That’s exactly what we’re pitching, is, like, AI strategy.
236 00:22:17.630 ⇒ 00:22:28.780 Uttam Kumaran: thinking about the infrastructure, how do you structure data in a way that it can be accessed, how do you upskill your team? That’s everything that what we’re pitching is, like, what I just did at Brainforge. We are, like, going to… we are selling.
237 00:22:29.060 ⇒ 00:22:29.510 Davis Dunham: Yeah.
238 00:22:29.510 ⇒ 00:22:41.569 Uttam Kumaran: You know how that, like, that’s… so that’s the concept, which is, like, there are gonna be people who, like, they’re gonna be thinking about this whole thing, and we’re gonna be like, no, you actually just need a harness, or you need to get an open code. Like, so the more that you can…
239 00:22:42.060 ⇒ 00:22:47.409 Uttam Kumaran: Go be able to explain these concepts to the team, that’s the more… that’s the reps, you know?
240 00:22:47.700 ⇒ 00:22:50.269 Davis Dunham: Heard. Heard. Yeah, I will.
241 00:22:50.270 ⇒ 00:23:03.350 Uttam Kumaran: And then we’ll meet, I won’t be as aloof and all over, like, we’ll start meeting together, like, me, you, a couple people that are working on some platform stuff, more sincerely, and sort of plan out the week and, like.
242 00:23:03.560 ⇒ 00:23:06.450 Uttam Kumaran: Things like that, so… it won’t be as, like…
243 00:23:06.840 ⇒ 00:23:11.719 Uttam Kumaran: free flowings this week. It’s just this… this week and last week were just, like, pretty… pretty crazy, so…
244 00:23:11.720 ⇒ 00:23:16.899 Davis Dunham: Yeah. Well, plus, I’m also… I’ve been kind of, like, on this, like, fully desynchronized thing in the past.
245 00:23:16.900 ⇒ 00:23:17.309 Uttam Kumaran: That’s gonna be.
246 00:23:17.310 ⇒ 00:23:18.230 Davis Dunham: leak, so…
247 00:23:18.450 ⇒ 00:23:25.569 Davis Dunham: Dude, I’m super down. This sounds really, really exciting. Also, small comment, dude, B is a G. He’s so cool.
248 00:23:25.570 ⇒ 00:23:31.560 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, yeah, yeah, he’s literally, like… I mean, even when you said that, I, like, he’s… the vest, like…
249 00:23:31.790 ⇒ 00:23:33.950 Uttam Kumaran: someone that I… I feel like…
250 00:23:34.190 ⇒ 00:23:42.810 Uttam Kumaran: exemplifies, like, what success looks like here. Like, he came in to help me as, like, my delivery, like, support.
251 00:23:43.300 ⇒ 00:23:44.410 Uttam Kumaran: Quickly.
252 00:23:44.630 ⇒ 00:23:50.959 Uttam Kumaran: We talked a lot, gave me really amazing feedback, now leads learning and development, and is gonna start leading as a cert… like.
253 00:23:51.280 ⇒ 00:23:56.649 Uttam Kumaran: if I give you any North Star, it’s him, it’s Amber, you should meet Greg, like…
254 00:23:56.650 ⇒ 00:23:57.260 Davis Dunham: Yes.
255 00:23:57.260 ⇒ 00:23:59.809 Uttam Kumaran: Show you… talk to these people, and just…
256 00:24:00.280 ⇒ 00:24:12.779 Uttam Kumaran: talk to those people and get advice from those people, and then help the rest of the people become you and those people. Like, that’s… that’s it. And those people, all they have is… they have just, like, wisdom and empathy to try to, like, help
257 00:24:13.070 ⇒ 00:24:15.000 Uttam Kumaran: Everybody succeed, so…
258 00:24:15.700 ⇒ 00:24:21.460 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, dude. I’m pumped, I’m really glad. I think back to our conversation at that one place where they serve Asian…
259 00:24:21.690 ⇒ 00:24:26.620 Uttam Kumaran: the Asian bar, where they serve Asian food, or it’s not an Asian bar, but…
260 00:24:27.760 ⇒ 00:24:32.420 Uttam Kumaran: it’s like, they serve, like, Asian-style, like, snacks at this bar.
261 00:24:32.980 ⇒ 00:24:33.800 Uttam Kumaran: And they serve…
262 00:24:33.800 ⇒ 00:24:34.400 Davis Dunham: It is.
263 00:24:34.920 ⇒ 00:24:37.420 Uttam Kumaran: It was, like, after Alexi’s thing, I think.
264 00:24:37.850 ⇒ 00:24:39.089 Uttam Kumaran: After two-step.
265 00:24:39.440 ⇒ 00:24:40.380 Davis Dunham: Oh, yeah.
266 00:24:41.640 ⇒ 00:24:43.399 Davis Dunham: Asian snacks, dude.
267 00:24:44.300 ⇒ 00:24:48.130 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, so I think back to that, and I’m like, dude, you’ve come a long way, so that’s good.
268 00:24:48.720 ⇒ 00:24:50.160 Davis Dunham: Yeah, man, I,
269 00:24:50.390 ⇒ 00:25:02.349 Davis Dunham: I feel myself… I feel myself learning. I’m feeling good about it, it’s… it’s already become, like, much less… when I first started, I will admit, the first, like, couple days when I was just looking at, like, the repos and, like, everything, I was like, holy crap, dude.
270 00:25:02.350 ⇒ 00:25:05.540 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, yeah. This is, like, a serious… this is, like, a serious situation.
271 00:25:06.830 ⇒ 00:25:12.950 Davis Dunham: Yeah, man, but I feel like I’m getting the schema, and also, I feel like I’m understanding, kind of, the direction you… you’re envisioning.
272 00:25:13.890 ⇒ 00:25:19.350 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, so if you can be a thought partner to me, and if you can take on some of these things, I can go for us.
273 00:25:19.530 ⇒ 00:25:21.590 Uttam Kumaran: Go get us work, and…
274 00:25:22.120 ⇒ 00:25:25.480 Uttam Kumaran: Kind of give us a vision to go build the next coolest thing, you know, so…
275 00:25:25.480 ⇒ 00:25:26.210 Davis Dunham: Yeah, man.
276 00:25:26.550 ⇒ 00:25:27.170 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah.
277 00:25:27.560 ⇒ 00:25:28.940 Davis Dunham: Cool. Okay.
278 00:25:29.190 ⇒ 00:25:35.690 Davis Dunham: Super down. I will, I will update you on… Monday. Okay.
279 00:25:35.690 ⇒ 00:25:37.990 Uttam Kumaran: I’ll be a meeting with her in the morning, I’ll send her a note to…
280 00:25:38.300 ⇒ 00:25:40.919 Davis Dunham: Pretty sure it’s… pretty sure it’s noon, let me check really quick.
281 00:25:46.030 ⇒ 00:25:48.970 Davis Dunham: Oh, it’s at, 4. Wait, no…
282 00:25:49.210 ⇒ 00:25:55.089 Davis Dunham: Let me make sure that it’s actually at 4. My calendar was being weird and showing me things at the wrong time.
283 00:26:03.160 ⇒ 00:26:04.309 Davis Dunham: Let’s double check.
284 00:26:07.060 ⇒ 00:26:08.330 Davis Dunham: Yeah, it’s at noon.
285 00:26:08.980 ⇒ 00:26:09.580 Davis Dunham: Okay, cool.
286 00:26:09.580 ⇒ 00:26:12.780 Uttam Kumaran: Well, she’s on Pacific time, so it’ll be… that’s morning her time, basically.
287 00:26:12.780 ⇒ 00:26:13.460 Davis Dunham: heard.
288 00:26:15.300 ⇒ 00:26:19.439 Davis Dunham: May 11th. There we go. No, it is at 4. It is at 4. We’re cool.
289 00:26:19.550 ⇒ 00:26:21.890 Davis Dunham: Either way,
290 00:26:23.530 ⇒ 00:26:31.769 Davis Dunham: Yeah, man, I’ll update you after that, and I am… I’m really excited. I’ll keep working on the stuff you’ve given me so far, just to…
291 00:26:31.770 ⇒ 00:26:37.360 Uttam Kumaran: Let’s plan to do, let’s plan to work, like, if any day next week, when you’re off, let’s go to WeWork or something.
292 00:26:37.910 ⇒ 00:26:39.569 Uttam Kumaran: And we can work…
293 00:26:39.810 ⇒ 00:26:42.669 Uttam Kumaran: Or you can come to the house, we can do some work. I mean.
294 00:26:42.890 ⇒ 00:26:47.400 Uttam Kumaran: I would… that’s, like, that would be helpful for me, too, to just, like, explain concepts and things like that.
295 00:26:47.400 ⇒ 00:26:50.029 Davis Dunham: Yeah, dude, I’m super down. I was,
296 00:26:51.220 ⇒ 00:26:56.910 Davis Dunham: Yeah, I’m super down. I think Monday, Tuesday, or Wednesday, honestly, if you want to do all three, I’d be down.
297 00:26:56.910 ⇒ 00:27:01.759 Uttam Kumaran: Okay, alright, let me… let’s, okay, well, actually, let’s pick a date, then. Let me tell you.
298 00:27:12.540 ⇒ 00:27:14.439 Davis Dunham: I have those meetings on Monday.
299 00:27:14.770 ⇒ 00:27:19.870 Davis Dunham: So, I’d say Tuesday, Wednesday would be perfect for uninterrupted.
300 00:27:19.870 ⇒ 00:27:22.949 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, so Tuesday, I’m going into…
301 00:27:23.470 ⇒ 00:27:29.010 Uttam Kumaran: an office, and then we’ll be back, so maybe we should just do Wednesday.
302 00:27:29.240 ⇒ 00:27:29.940 Davis Dunham: Yeah?
303 00:27:31.340 ⇒ 00:27:33.329 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, Wednesday in person.
304 00:27:33.330 ⇒ 00:27:34.909 Davis Dunham: Yeah, that sounds perfect.
305 00:27:42.020 ⇒ 00:27:43.329 Uttam Kumaran: I’ll send you an invite.
306 00:27:43.890 ⇒ 00:27:44.690 Davis Dunham: Sick.
307 00:27:53.400 ⇒ 00:27:54.940 Uttam Kumaran: Pick dude, what’s the weekend plan?
308 00:27:55.220 ⇒ 00:27:56.170 Uttam Kumaran: Work.
309 00:27:56.170 ⇒ 00:28:02.389 Davis Dunham: working, yeah, I got, I managed to get today off so I could do… do more of this.
310 00:28:02.390 ⇒ 00:28:02.890 Uttam Kumaran: Oh.
311 00:28:03.180 ⇒ 00:28:05.259 Davis Dunham: But yeah, I’m Saturday, Sunday.
312 00:28:06.260 ⇒ 00:28:07.979 Davis Dunham: Back at the old grind set.
313 00:28:11.370 ⇒ 00:28:12.340 Uttam Kumaran: Nice.
314 00:28:12.790 ⇒ 00:28:17.390 Uttam Kumaran: Well, yeah, dude, I’m… also, the other thing I’m working on right now is I’m shipping templates for, like.
315 00:28:17.630 ⇒ 00:28:20.459 Uttam Kumaran: As many document types as we produce.
316 00:28:20.740 ⇒ 00:28:21.100 Davis Dunham: Yeah.
317 00:28:21.100 ⇒ 00:28:25.769 Uttam Kumaran: So, another idea is, like, I wanted to create, like, a template sort of registry.
318 00:28:25.950 ⇒ 00:28:35.089 Uttam Kumaran: We can create a skill registry, and then, I don’t know if you saw, like, Awash shipped this thing on the platform today that was pretty good. It’s not exactly working, but…
319 00:28:35.280 ⇒ 00:28:37.790 Uttam Kumaran: He shipped, basically, one thing, which was, like.
320 00:28:39.110 ⇒ 00:28:43.429 Uttam Kumaran: Let me just see, like… let me just see if I can quickly debug this,
321 00:29:02.700 ⇒ 00:29:04.020 Uttam Kumaran: Let’s see…
322 00:29:25.740 ⇒ 00:29:30.169 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, so we shipped a couple things. This, I’m, like, debugging, but he shipped, like…
323 00:29:30.280 ⇒ 00:29:35.450 Uttam Kumaran: one, like, an overview of our clients. This is all, like, dummy data, but, like, one place where we could see
324 00:29:35.880 ⇒ 00:29:36.620 Uttam Kumaran: Everything.
325 00:29:36.620 ⇒ 00:29:37.460 Davis Dunham: I’m sick.
326 00:29:37.600 ⇒ 00:29:43.739 Uttam Kumaran: another, and then I think… yeah, like, this is more about, like, you can go in, you can actually just see, like.
327 00:29:44.060 ⇒ 00:29:47.399 Uttam Kumaran: For one client, you can see, like, everything about it, like…
328 00:29:47.650 ⇒ 00:29:50.630 Uttam Kumaran: What has been done in the last, like, 30 days?
329 00:29:51.120 ⇒ 00:29:55.820 Uttam Kumaran: Like, anything around their systems, so it’s just a framework for this, which is really cool.
330 00:29:56.410 ⇒ 00:30:02.220 Uttam Kumaran: And then you can also, like, if we had all the data hooked up, you can see, like, information about the margin…
331 00:30:02.490 ⇒ 00:30:08.390 Uttam Kumaran: You can also see, like, what meetings were associated with this. And these are all the meetings, like, coming from Zoom.
332 00:30:08.820 ⇒ 00:30:12.720 Uttam Kumaran: That we, like, sort of auto… we auto-tag who’s in there.
333 00:30:13.080 ⇒ 00:30:15.270 Uttam Kumaran: Title, we auto-tag it to this client.
334 00:30:15.500 ⇒ 00:30:16.680 Uttam Kumaran: And so…
335 00:30:17.080 ⇒ 00:30:21.029 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, this is in there, and then this is an old deals thing that I worked on that…
336 00:30:21.500 ⇒ 00:30:22.549 Uttam Kumaran: I feel like.
337 00:30:22.830 ⇒ 00:30:25.580 Uttam Kumaran: Could probably do a better job, just pulling from HubSpot.
338 00:30:26.510 ⇒ 00:30:30.090 Uttam Kumaran: And then, yeah, I think, like, the…
339 00:30:30.450 ⇒ 00:30:32.460 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, like, I created this, like…
340 00:30:33.350 ⇒ 00:30:35.619 Uttam Kumaran: Oh, another thing we did is,
341 00:30:41.610 ⇒ 00:30:43.530 Uttam Kumaran: Where is it?
342 00:30:45.280 ⇒ 00:30:49.449 Uttam Kumaran: Oh yeah, we shipped this, like, case study assistant, so you can actually, like…
343 00:30:49.900 ⇒ 00:30:58.909 Uttam Kumaran: go create a case study, and you can, like, it’ll… it’ll prompt you to, like, interview, but this one, I’m not… this is not mine, but let’s see if there’s one here, yeah.
344 00:30:59.730 ⇒ 00:31:03.759 Uttam Kumaran: But you could actually do a voice interview, so it’s easy for people to, like.
345 00:31:04.000 ⇒ 00:31:06.910 Uttam Kumaran: Give case studies about the work that they’ve done for a client.
346 00:31:07.290 ⇒ 00:31:07.670 Davis Dunham: That’s…
347 00:31:07.670 ⇒ 00:31:09.909 Uttam Kumaran: So, like, Hannah on marketing will be like.
348 00:31:10.300 ⇒ 00:31:12.139 Uttam Kumaran: Here’s a case study we need.
349 00:31:12.520 ⇒ 00:31:19.849 Uttam Kumaran: get some description, and then it’ll, like, it’ll use voice mode, and it’ll say, like, hey, I’m here to interview you, and it’ll do, like, a virtual interview.
350 00:31:20.230 ⇒ 00:31:21.420 Davis Dunham: That’s sick.
351 00:31:21.950 ⇒ 00:31:25.239 Uttam Kumaran: Not using this that much, so we gotta be using this, like…
352 00:31:25.240 ⇒ 00:31:25.600 Davis Dunham: Yeah.
353 00:31:25.690 ⇒ 00:31:28.799 Uttam Kumaran: We have a ton of stuff, like, we have all of our, like, marketing assets.
354 00:31:29.180 ⇒ 00:31:31.830 Uttam Kumaran: Sort of stored in here.
355 00:31:32.630 ⇒ 00:31:36.130 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, this has a lot of stuff in it, this whole platform.
356 00:31:36.810 ⇒ 00:31:45.469 Davis Dunham: Yeah, man, and… and… I guess, like, that’s… the upside of having so much stuff is there’s so many tools, and the only… the downside is there are so many tools.
357 00:31:45.610 ⇒ 00:31:46.430 Uttam Kumaran: Yes.
358 00:31:47.190 ⇒ 00:31:52.870 Davis Dunham: So finding a good way to just offer this as, you know, services to the team.
359 00:31:52.870 ⇒ 00:31:53.380 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah.
360 00:31:53.380 ⇒ 00:31:57.590 Davis Dunham: They know it exists, not just know it exists, but think about it in the middle of a problem.
361 00:31:58.080 ⇒ 00:31:59.260 Uttam Kumaran: Yes, exactly.
362 00:31:59.580 ⇒ 00:32:00.250 Davis Dunham: heard.
363 00:32:03.600 ⇒ 00:32:06.300 Davis Dunham: You got a good… you got a good setup here. You got a good setup.
364 00:32:06.300 ⇒ 00:32:07.690 Uttam Kumaran: Thanks, dude, thanks.
365 00:32:10.180 ⇒ 00:32:14.580 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, but, my trouble is, like, I’m just working on too much at the same time, and it’s like…
366 00:32:15.390 ⇒ 00:32:16.120 Davis Dunham: Yeah.
367 00:32:16.120 ⇒ 00:32:17.920 Uttam Kumaran: I need to, like, hand stuff off.
368 00:32:19.040 ⇒ 00:32:22.080 Davis Dunham: Yeah, man. I’m gonna work on,
369 00:32:22.630 ⇒ 00:32:25.359 Davis Dunham: I need to work on keeping things simple.
370 00:32:26.330 ⇒ 00:32:26.900 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah.
371 00:32:26.900 ⇒ 00:32:31.639 Davis Dunham: Because I have a… just my, you know, the core… the whole… I’m working on my own project.
372 00:32:31.640 ⇒ 00:32:39.050 Uttam Kumaran: No, I can tell you’re gonna overthink. That’s why I think one thing I can ask is just, like, give… try to hold yourself to send, like, 2 or 3 updates a day.
373 00:32:39.740 ⇒ 00:32:47.169 Uttam Kumaran: like, break your rhythm, and then we’ll have meetings and stuff, but you’ll see, your time will get booked up, so you’ll have no choice but to move faster.
374 00:32:47.170 ⇒ 00:32:47.640 Davis Dunham: Yeah.
375 00:32:47.640 ⇒ 00:32:51.369 Uttam Kumaran: You know? Like, another thing I shipped is this, like,
376 00:32:51.560 ⇒ 00:32:57.729 Uttam Kumaran: basically, like, HyperDX, which is, like, telemetry. So I’m trying to have telemetry on every single surface.
377 00:32:58.270 ⇒ 00:32:58.820 Davis Dunham: Cool.
378 00:32:59.010 ⇒ 00:33:01.020 Uttam Kumaran: So this is a replacement for, like, Datadog.
379 00:33:01.020 ⇒ 00:33:01.370 Davis Dunham: Yeah.
380 00:33:02.030 ⇒ 00:33:06.450 Uttam Kumaran: Whatever… I don’t know what Cloudflare is equivalent for logging, but, like.
381 00:33:06.700 ⇒ 00:33:09.029 Uttam Kumaran: You could basically see, like, what the service is.
382 00:33:09.660 ⇒ 00:33:13.570 Uttam Kumaran: And you can see, like, okay, what is that thing that happened? What is the activity that happened?
383 00:33:13.800 ⇒ 00:33:14.640 Davis Dunham: Yeah, absolutely.
384 00:33:14.640 ⇒ 00:33:19.550 Uttam Kumaran: So that way, when there’s an issue, you can basically just, like, say, go check telemetry.
385 00:33:20.390 ⇒ 00:33:20.890 Davis Dunham: diagnosed early.
386 00:33:20.890 ⇒ 00:33:25.419 Uttam Kumaran: Have all the logs and, like, what was the request, what was sent, things like that.
387 00:33:25.730 ⇒ 00:33:26.779 Davis Dunham: Filters, that’s sick.
388 00:33:26.780 ⇒ 00:33:35.500 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah. So I want… and then… and then ultimately, dude, we can build something that’s, like, self-learning. Like, every day, look through all the logs and propose fixes, or propose new products.
389 00:33:35.500 ⇒ 00:33:38.149 Davis Dunham: Yeah, updates. I love that, dude.
390 00:33:38.610 ⇒ 00:33:41.639 Davis Dunham: I see the vision, it’s such a large vision.
391 00:33:41.640 ⇒ 00:33:43.260 Uttam Kumaran: Very large.
392 00:33:43.260 ⇒ 00:33:48.730 Davis Dunham: already, like, you’ve already done most, like, maybe not most, but a large… I’ve gone, like…
393 00:33:48.730 ⇒ 00:33:52.439 Uttam Kumaran: I’ve gotten far, I’ve gotten close on some things, but dude, it’s just the polish.
394 00:33:52.440 ⇒ 00:33:53.259 Davis Dunham: Yeah, man.
395 00:33:53.260 ⇒ 00:33:55.700 Uttam Kumaran: I can’t… that’s not what I’m good at, I just, like…
396 00:33:56.250 ⇒ 00:34:00.679 Uttam Kumaran: Takes… it’s like, there’s a long tail of, like, the polish that needs to happen across the board.
397 00:34:00.680 ⇒ 00:34:02.229 Davis Dunham: Yeah, man, I can help with that.
398 00:34:02.540 ⇒ 00:34:03.160 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah.
399 00:34:03.620 ⇒ 00:34:04.840 Davis Dunham: something I enjoy.
400 00:34:08.219 ⇒ 00:34:08.900 Davis Dunham: Ugh.
401 00:34:08.909 ⇒ 00:34:14.599 Uttam Kumaran: Okay, cool, dude. Alright, well, let me know what you need. I just pinged Kayla, so yeah, she’s excited to talk to you on Monday.
402 00:34:16.479 ⇒ 00:34:27.719 Uttam Kumaran: So, yeah, I guess I told her, I said, maybe you… maybe you decide if you want to just start part-time for 2 weeks, and then fully ramp, but I’ll have… you can talk to her and tell her, like, what your timing is, and she’ll handle the rest.
403 00:34:28.060 ⇒ 00:34:28.920 Davis Dunham: Cool, man.
404 00:34:29.810 ⇒ 00:34:39.639 Davis Dunham: Yeah, that sounds awesome. I, I’ll update ya, and, for now, I mean, this weekend, I’ll do some, some work in the mornings before I… before I go to…
405 00:34:40.270 ⇒ 00:34:42.460 Davis Dunham: Go to Sammy’s, try to get some good hours in.
406 00:34:42.469 ⇒ 00:34:43.609 Uttam Kumaran: Okay, okay, perfect.
407 00:34:44.509 ⇒ 00:34:45.269 Uttam Kumaran: Okay.
408 00:34:45.399 ⇒ 00:34:46.089 Uttam Kumaran: Thank you, dude.
409 00:34:46.090 ⇒ 00:34:50.079 Davis Dunham: Last… yeah, man, worst case scenario, I’ll see you on Wednesday.
410 00:34:50.380 ⇒ 00:34:54.960 Uttam Kumaran: Yes, for sure. Okay, perfect. I’ll text you, like, about where we want to go, so…
411 00:34:56.050 ⇒ 00:34:57.670 Davis Dunham: Sick, man. Alright, thanks you, Tom.
412 00:34:57.670 ⇒ 00:35:00.519 Uttam Kumaran: Alright, dude. Thanks, dude. I’ll talk to you soon. Bye.