Meeting Title: Zoran - Brylle - L&D Check-In Date: 2026-04-30 Meeting participants: Zoran Selinger, Brylle Girang
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1 00:00:02.480 ⇒ 00:00:05.180 Zoran Selinger: one in particular?
2 00:01:18.530 ⇒ 00:01:19.620 Brylle Girang: Hello, man.
3 00:01:19.880 ⇒ 00:01:20.720 Zoran Selinger: Hi, V.
4 00:01:21.800 ⇒ 00:01:22.530 Zoran Selinger: How are you doing?
5 00:01:22.530 ⇒ 00:01:23.489 Brylle Girang: How are you doing?
6 00:01:24.680 ⇒ 00:01:27.110 Zoran Selinger: Yeah, good, good. Having fun today.
7 00:01:28.430 ⇒ 00:01:30.649 Brylle Girang: I can see, I can see that.
8 00:01:31.330 ⇒ 00:01:32.100 Zoran Selinger: Yeah.
9 00:01:32.100 ⇒ 00:01:32.590 Brylle Girang: No, I…
10 00:01:32.680 ⇒ 00:01:36.610 Zoran Selinger: Yeah, it’s so… it’s so, like…
11 00:01:36.790 ⇒ 00:01:41.240 Zoran Selinger: This week has been amazing for… honestly.
12 00:01:41.240 ⇒ 00:01:44.169 Brylle Girang: Tell me more, tell me more, why has it been amazing?
13 00:01:44.170 ⇒ 00:01:58.640 Zoran Selinger: I mean, I’ve been… I’ve been, like, I can actually focus and… and work on… on the tooling a little bit, on the playbooks and… and all of that, and today specifically, like, okay, I had a… I had a… a different… I had a…
14 00:01:59.080 ⇒ 00:02:02.619 Zoran Selinger: A request to create, like, a technical assignment.
15 00:02:03.330 ⇒ 00:02:03.980 Brylle Girang: Okay.
16 00:02:03.980 ⇒ 00:02:08.220 Zoran Selinger: for Martech Solution Architect, right? So that was fun.
17 00:02:08.350 ⇒ 00:02:19.669 Zoran Selinger: To… to figure out. But now, after that, I switched to… Finally, to working on what like a market…
18 00:02:19.970 ⇒ 00:02:30.090 Zoran Selinger: a MarTech solution architect being AI-native really means. So… and I’m gonna submit that shortly after this call.
19 00:02:30.260 ⇒ 00:02:47.120 Zoran Selinger: I’ve been working on that. So, kind of figuring out what that means, what MCPs or CLIs we need to have, what are the, like, typical workflows that we have, should it be a playbook or a skill, things like that. So, I’m figuring that out, and…
20 00:02:47.120 ⇒ 00:02:47.580 Brylle Girang: Okay.
21 00:02:47.580 ⇒ 00:02:53.960 Zoran Selinger: I’m hoping to start building a few of these, regardless of
22 00:02:54.200 ⇒ 00:03:06.380 Zoran Selinger: if I end up being the guy to lead this, or I kind of take a little step back and be… and just take the IC role.
23 00:03:08.420 ⇒ 00:03:17.659 Zoran Selinger: So, and that’s another topic that, kind of, I wanted to talk to you about, because you… Utam says you’re the guy to talk to.
24 00:03:18.110 ⇒ 00:03:19.140 Brylle Girang: Yeah, yeah.
25 00:03:19.400 ⇒ 00:03:20.189 Zoran Selinger: So I still…
26 00:03:20.190 ⇒ 00:03:21.300 Brylle Girang: identity off.
27 00:03:21.650 ⇒ 00:03:22.339 Zoran Selinger: It’s so sick!
28 00:03:22.340 ⇒ 00:03:22.800 Brylle Girang: Yeah, I have.
29 00:03:22.800 ⇒ 00:03:23.450 Zoran Selinger: entities.
30 00:03:23.600 ⇒ 00:03:24.540 Zoran Selinger: Yeah.
31 00:03:24.540 ⇒ 00:03:28.490 Brylle Girang: Exactly. I had the same conversation with Sam.
32 00:03:30.110 ⇒ 00:03:42.899 Brylle Girang: I think Sam’s stance is a bit different, so I think this is not, like, confidential information, but Sam has been struggling with SL’s responsibilities.
33 00:03:43.030 ⇒ 00:03:45.800 Brylle Girang: And he finds it more enjoyable to…
34 00:03:47.380 ⇒ 00:03:57.150 Brylle Girang: I wouldn’t say to be an IEC, but to actually build stuff. Like, the more frontline level stuff, and not the strategic side of things, right?
35 00:03:57.490 ⇒ 00:04:13.329 Brylle Girang: And I want to correct you, it’s not just being an IAC. I want to, like, remove that term. It’s not just being an IAC, right? Iacs, SLs, SOs, they are within the same level of importance, they just have different responsibilities.
36 00:04:13.330 ⇒ 00:04:16.480 Zoran Selinger: Yeah, and that’s… that’s what Utah said as well.
37 00:04:16.980 ⇒ 00:04:25.980 Brylle Girang: Yeah, exactly, exactly. If you become a senior IIC, or if you become an IIC, that doesn’t mean that, you know, you’re one level below. You’re demoted. It’s not that.
38 00:04:26.100 ⇒ 00:04:29.110 Brylle Girang: The responsibilities will just shift.
39 00:04:29.330 ⇒ 00:04:40.059 Brylle Girang: So you are still going to lead the marketing side of it, but bothem and Robert will not expect you to, you know.
40 00:04:40.440 ⇒ 00:04:45.090 Brylle Girang: how do you call this? Will not expect you to own the service line.
41 00:04:45.190 ⇒ 00:04:56.649 Brylle Girang: Anytime soon, right? So, by all the service line, it means that you… the expectations and the responsibilities that are on you, it will not be completely
42 00:04:57.000 ⇒ 00:04:58.450 Brylle Girang: disregarded.
43 00:04:58.960 ⇒ 00:05:10.740 Brylle Girang: But they will… they will have more freedom to jump in, they will have more freedom to lead conversations around the service lines, and you will be focused on building… building the stuff that we need.
44 00:05:11.200 ⇒ 00:05:23.800 Brylle Girang: I know that we have, like, phrased the playbooks, the offers around the SL role, but everyone’s really welcome to work on that. And I think with how you’re doing.
45 00:05:24.510 ⇒ 00:05:26.039 Brylle Girang: It’s not going to be a problem.
46 00:05:26.200 ⇒ 00:05:31.950 Brylle Girang: I think you are the beast here when it comes to MarTech, when it comes to what you’re doing.
47 00:05:32.110 ⇒ 00:05:36.699 Brylle Girang: And your contributions will help build the service line.
48 00:05:37.340 ⇒ 00:05:46.130 Brylle Girang: And what do you think about this? Do you feel now… do you feel that this is just temporary? Do you feel that you want to be an IC?
49 00:05:46.270 ⇒ 00:05:47.450 Brylle Girang: I want to hear more about that.
50 00:05:47.450 ⇒ 00:05:52.769 Zoran Selinger: Yeah, so first of all, I want to say that what Sam said
51 00:05:52.920 ⇒ 00:05:56.429 Zoran Selinger: That’s exactly how I felt, and that’s how I always felt.
52 00:05:56.660 ⇒ 00:06:03.209 Zoran Selinger: When I joined, even on my initial interview, it’s…
53 00:06:04.000 ⇒ 00:06:06.359 Zoran Selinger: I wanted to take that challenge.
54 00:06:07.110 ⇒ 00:06:14.160 Zoran Selinger: Utam envisioned me as being… being a type of lead here, and,
55 00:06:14.330 ⇒ 00:06:18.379 Zoran Selinger: when I started, and I said this to Utam.
56 00:06:19.640 ⇒ 00:06:24.120 Zoran Selinger: My biggest issue here is really the work-life balance.
57 00:06:24.500 ⇒ 00:06:33.889 Zoran Selinger: Right? Because I have… I have two kids. These afternoon hours, and being, like, client-facing, and I need to be available, and
58 00:06:34.100 ⇒ 00:06:34.990 Zoran Selinger: That is…
59 00:06:36.070 ⇒ 00:06:50.159 Zoran Selinger: too little focused work, and I like… I like focused work. Executing what Sam said, right? So I wanted to take that challenge, and that’s… that’s fine.
60 00:06:50.730 ⇒ 00:06:55.110 Zoran Selinger: That’s fine. It’s just so much client-facing stuff.
61 00:06:55.330 ⇒ 00:07:02.860 Zoran Selinger: Which I don’t enjoy particularly, right? And there is… there is this,
62 00:07:03.040 ⇒ 00:07:12.049 Zoran Selinger: There is this friction with, with… I understand that maybe for
63 00:07:12.270 ⇒ 00:07:17.230 Zoran Selinger: for an SL, it would be better if it’s someone that can
64 00:07:17.440 ⇒ 00:07:26.900 Zoran Selinger: that can be… that can stay for a longer in the U.S. time zone, like U.S. working hours, than I can, right?
65 00:07:27.000 ⇒ 00:07:32.770 Zoran Selinger: the progress will be probably better, and I don’t wanna… I don’t wanna, like, pigeonhole that…
66 00:07:33.220 ⇒ 00:07:45.230 Zoran Selinger: that position, and progress more slowly than they want, right? I wanna… I wanna liberate that position to someone that
67 00:07:45.420 ⇒ 00:07:54.540 Zoran Selinger: can maybe be a better fit. Not maybe because they are more competent or whatever. It’s just logistically speaking, right?
68 00:07:54.540 ⇒ 00:08:06.610 Zoran Selinger: because of, like, working hours and all that stuff, maybe it would be easier for someone that is… that is… that is there. But regardless of the reason, right, yeah, I think…
69 00:08:07.610 ⇒ 00:08:15.110 Zoran Selinger: I gave it a chance. I knew that this is the fir- this is the first time I’ve been freelancing since I started, almost 15 years.
70 00:08:15.110 ⇒ 00:08:15.880 Brylle Girang: Yeah.
71 00:08:15.880 ⇒ 00:08:17.010 Zoran Selinger: And I worked for…
72 00:08:17.120 ⇒ 00:08:33.949 Zoran Selinger: Australians or Americans, like, all over the place. This is the first time that I was really tied into a US time zone or, like, Australian time zone. I was always in a position where I could do most of my work in
73 00:08:33.950 ⇒ 00:08:39.629 Zoran Selinger: European working hours, and then have a couple of short meetings if we need to.
74 00:08:40.100 ⇒ 00:08:56.569 Zoran Selinger: in most cases, specifically connected to, like, solving specific issues. I was… that was always fine. Obviously, I had meetings in the afternoon and sometimes in the evenings, but those… those were not, like, a daily occurrence always, right?
75 00:08:56.570 ⇒ 00:08:57.100 Brylle Girang: Yep.
76 00:08:57.770 ⇒ 00:09:07.590 Zoran Selinger: So… I, like, I tried, right? And it’s been, like, almost 6 months now, and… I don’t see it…
77 00:09:07.690 ⇒ 00:09:13.629 Zoran Selinger: significantly changing for me, or how I feel about This type of work.
78 00:09:13.630 ⇒ 00:09:14.990 Brylle Girang: Okay, so I… okay.
79 00:09:14.990 ⇒ 00:09:22.490 Zoran Selinger: I think it’s… broadly, like, for… my family…
80 00:09:22.820 ⇒ 00:09:29.300 Zoran Selinger: availability in the afternoon and evening hours. I think it’s a right decision to have
81 00:09:29.400 ⇒ 00:09:37.920 Zoran Selinger: fewer, like, client-facing obligations, and to allow myself to, you know, do…
82 00:09:38.160 ⇒ 00:09:41.810 Zoran Selinger: Let’s say 6 hours in my…
83 00:09:41.810 ⇒ 00:09:57.060 Zoran Selinger: time zone in my work, normal working hours, to do, like, 6 hours of focused work a day, let’s call it. Yeah. Whether if it’s, like, client work, or I work on developing the skills, or whatever, playbooks, right? Because
84 00:09:57.060 ⇒ 00:10:05.330 Zoran Selinger: I just started doing that, I love it. I’m not married to a position, like a title, I don’t care about it at all.
85 00:10:05.330 ⇒ 00:10:05.860 Brylle Girang: Yeah.
86 00:10:06.030 ⇒ 00:10:09.540 Zoran Selinger: at all. Yeah. And I…
87 00:10:09.730 ⇒ 00:10:12.610 Zoran Selinger: I absolutely see myself as… as…
88 00:10:13.210 ⇒ 00:10:20.989 Zoran Selinger: developing that side of Brainforge, and I wanna… I started, I want to continue doing that. Yeah. Okay.
89 00:10:21.180 ⇒ 00:10:26.309 Zoran Selinger: So that’s fine, that’s fine. Like I said, don’t care about the title at all,
90 00:10:27.280 ⇒ 00:10:32.850 Zoran Selinger: It’s just about if I can do a little bit more, actual engineering.
91 00:10:33.290 ⇒ 00:10:40.240 Zoran Selinger: If you can be in… in… Like, a more… appropriate…
92 00:10:40.690 ⇒ 00:10:43.889 Zoran Selinger: working hours for me, I’m gonna be happy.
93 00:10:44.060 ⇒ 00:10:44.929 Zoran Selinger: That’s it.
94 00:10:44.930 ⇒ 00:10:45.350 Brylle Girang: Okay.
95 00:10:45.350 ⇒ 00:10:50.870 Zoran Selinger: I’m gonna be happy. Okay. And if there’s availability for me to develop
96 00:10:50.980 ⇒ 00:10:59.800 Zoran Selinger: like, to actually work on tools and tooling, because I have ideas, and I think I started figuring out what you guys actually want from
97 00:11:00.190 ⇒ 00:11:02.460 Zoran Selinger: all of that stuff.
98 00:11:02.460 ⇒ 00:11:03.190 Brylle Girang: Yeah, yeah.
99 00:11:03.410 ⇒ 00:11:18.579 Zoran Selinger: very, very happy to do it, and I want to do it, I’m learning a lot, obviously. It’s very relevant skills and knowledge for the future in basically everywhere, so obviously, I want to do it. And I’m not…
100 00:11:20.240 ⇒ 00:11:30.059 Zoran Selinger: just… I’m very used to… Working for the same clients for years.
101 00:11:30.890 ⇒ 00:11:44.440 Zoran Selinger: I’m not… I’m not a hoper, like, I don’t easily hope from one company or another. That’s not me, that’s never been me. I’ve been doing this for 15 years, that has never been me. I have clients
102 00:11:44.960 ⇒ 00:11:53.100 Zoran Selinger: that I still talk to that invited me to… to the… to their weddings in Australia, right? Because I’ve been working… Oh, wow.
103 00:11:53.190 ⇒ 00:12:07.359 Zoran Selinger: and with them for, like, a decade. So I like those things, and I don’t want to easily jump ship. Both Ambo and Eden already approached me, right? I don’t want to do that.
104 00:12:08.360 ⇒ 00:12:09.350 Brylle Girang: I won’t.
105 00:12:09.350 ⇒ 00:12:16.940 Zoran Selinger: explore this, right? So, yeah, that’s where I’m coming from. It seems like…
106 00:12:17.140 ⇒ 00:12:22.159 Zoran Selinger: This is similar to, to what, what Sam, what Sam said.
107 00:12:22.560 ⇒ 00:12:23.410 Zoran Selinger: Yeah.
108 00:12:23.540 ⇒ 00:12:25.090 Zoran Selinger: Yeah. So…
109 00:12:25.090 ⇒ 00:12:25.700 Brylle Girang: Okay.
110 00:12:26.060 ⇒ 00:12:26.620 Zoran Selinger: Yeah.
111 00:12:27.780 ⇒ 00:12:39.320 Brylle Girang: Yeah, I think this is amazing. I like that you added that comforting piece, that you’re not a hopper. I think that that’s really comforting for me, for us. And, you know, I think
112 00:12:39.320 ⇒ 00:12:48.500 Brylle Girang: if you want to be really AI-native, I love that you’re exploring that piece, like, how… what does an AI native AI-first marketing engineer looks like?
113 00:12:48.500 ⇒ 00:12:54.560 Brylle Girang: you’re in the right place, like, Brainforge will really help you get up to speed there. And yeah,
114 00:12:55.400 ⇒ 00:13:07.390 Brylle Girang: But, I think one expectation that I wanted to set here is that this changes while I hear you, like, your preferences, working US hours, less client time. I totally hear you.
115 00:13:07.400 ⇒ 00:13:18.040 Brylle Girang: changes will not happen, like, tomorrow or later, because we still need to make sure that the service line doesn’t crumble, right? But…
116 00:13:18.230 ⇒ 00:13:32.470 Brylle Girang: Definitely. I think there are two types of people here in Brainforge, the ones who wanted to take on the strategic side, and the ones who wanted to take on, like, the building side of things, and you want to be in the latter, and that’s why
117 00:13:32.610 ⇒ 00:13:40.090 Brylle Girang: this movement, these transitions, fits what you want to happen, and I’m really glad that that’s the case, you know.
118 00:13:40.190 ⇒ 00:13:49.669 Brylle Girang: But yeah, I think when it comes to developing offers, playbooks, while that responsibility lies on the SLs, you’re enjoying it.
119 00:13:50.000 ⇒ 00:13:51.949 Brylle Girang: We appreciate it.
120 00:13:52.070 ⇒ 00:13:56.079 Brylle Girang: So, that’s going… we welcome anyone.
121 00:13:56.330 ⇒ 00:14:02.200 Brylle Girang: to help us build Brain Forge, and to help us build the amazing things that we’re doing here.
122 00:14:02.760 ⇒ 00:14:09.320 Brylle Girang: So, yeah, I think… I think this is pretty cool, this is pretty great. The one piece that I’m really happy with
123 00:14:09.440 ⇒ 00:14:13.210 Brylle Girang: Is that two weeks ago, you didn’t want to
124 00:14:13.760 ⇒ 00:14:24.790 Brylle Girang: have AI control your… your side of things, and now you’re thinking about how could we become AI native? That’s… that’s amazing.
125 00:14:24.790 ⇒ 00:14:29.450 Zoran Selinger: Last week’s conversation with you really helped frame that.
126 00:14:30.050 ⇒ 00:14:32.150 Zoran Selinger: I was… I was thinking…
127 00:14:33.210 ⇒ 00:14:37.780 Zoran Selinger: I think my thinking was too narrow. I didn’t realize how much
128 00:14:37.960 ⇒ 00:14:40.650 Zoran Selinger: You… you want to, kind of.
129 00:14:40.770 ⇒ 00:14:50.499 Zoran Selinger: this AI native piece, I did not get that, but now I get what it actually means, and yeah, it’s…
130 00:14:50.690 ⇒ 00:14:52.320 Zoran Selinger: Yeah, I’m open, let’s…
131 00:14:52.540 ⇒ 00:15:07.189 Zoran Selinger: I want to learn. I want to be able to… to build skills and all that are relevant. I just, like, I identified, like, Martech solution architect workflows and… and tasks that we have, and,
132 00:15:07.620 ⇒ 00:15:14.869 Zoran Selinger: I want to start building a skill. I’m gonna submit 2 or 3 files shortly. Okay. I’m gonna list those things.
133 00:15:15.020 ⇒ 00:15:22.010 Zoran Selinger: And yeah, start working on, on, on them. Yeah.
134 00:15:22.010 ⇒ 00:15:29.809 Brylle Girang: Amazing. Okay, yeah, amazing. I think one piece that I’m going to confirm, I’m not…
135 00:15:30.390 ⇒ 00:15:42.490 Brylle Girang: like, this is something that I just want to make sure that you know, but I don’t have, like, the full picture here, is that since we’re going to be moving from an SL role to an IC role.
136 00:15:43.060 ⇒ 00:15:55.490 Brylle Girang: I don’t have full picture, again, this is going to be dependent on their decision. I just wanted us to make sure that we expect, like, compensation discussions. So, again.
137 00:15:55.630 ⇒ 00:15:59.479 Brylle Girang: I don’t have context on this, but I just wanted to make sure that it’s
138 00:15:59.890 ⇒ 00:16:07.620 Brylle Girang: it’s something that’s on the table, but, you know, I’m pretty sure that there’s not going to be abrupt changes anytime soon.
139 00:16:08.000 ⇒ 00:16:21.770 Brylle Girang: Yeah. What else? So yeah, I think this is amazing. By the way, I don’t want you to overthink that one, the compensation piece. I just wanted to make sure that, you know, that’s there, and we’re not totally disregarding that.
140 00:16:22.490 ⇒ 00:16:28.970 Brylle Girang: Yeah, I think the playbooks that you’re shipping, I think you have shipped, like, 4?
141 00:16:29.080 ⇒ 00:16:29.949 Brylle Girang: Playbooks at work.
142 00:16:29.950 ⇒ 00:16:31.320 Zoran Selinger: 4, yeah. Yesterday?
143 00:16:31.550 ⇒ 00:16:34.909 Brylle Girang: That is amazing. Everyone’s really happy.
144 00:16:35.120 ⇒ 00:16:40.029 Brylle Girang: uto just forwarded that message to our group chat, and…
145 00:16:40.310 ⇒ 00:16:51.720 Brylle Girang: He just said, hey, Zora, let’s fucking go! This is really amazing. So yeah, continue doing that. I think, you know, you will be the first AI native
146 00:16:52.090 ⇒ 00:16:53.739 Brylle Girang: smart tech engineer.
147 00:16:54.160 ⇒ 00:16:55.719 Brylle Girang: Yeah. In your field.
148 00:16:57.910 ⇒ 00:16:59.489 Zoran Selinger: Yeah, yeah. Okay.
149 00:16:59.630 ⇒ 00:17:05.259 Zoran Selinger: I’m… I’m… I’m definitely up for it. I know the… so if we… if we get…
150 00:17:05.470 ⇒ 00:17:07.550 Zoran Selinger: Kind of we agreed if we get to…
151 00:17:08.250 ⇒ 00:17:19.520 Zoran Selinger: the extension for Eden, obviously, like you said, I’m gonna continue working on that, and it was clear from yesterday’s conversation, and I told, I told Robert that
152 00:17:19.670 ⇒ 00:17:28.940 Zoran Selinger: It’s completely our decision. We can continue, I can continue, doing that effort on, on Eden.
153 00:17:28.940 ⇒ 00:17:29.440 Brylle Girang: Yeah.
154 00:17:29.440 ⇒ 00:17:30.330 Zoran Selinger: they want.
155 00:17:30.690 ⇒ 00:17:39.779 Zoran Selinger: That’s fine, but we also kind of agree that, like, taking two weeks to figure this out and kind of regroup is completely fine, and it’s…
156 00:17:40.080 ⇒ 00:17:44.460 Zoran Selinger: It might not be… it’s probably a good idea in the long term.
157 00:17:44.950 ⇒ 00:17:49.110 Zoran Selinger: to figure out. And I think, yeah, I think we are on the right track here.
158 00:17:49.470 ⇒ 00:17:50.100 Brylle Girang: Yeah.
159 00:17:50.100 ⇒ 00:17:53.070 Zoran Selinger: with that change. Yeah, yeah.
160 00:17:54.770 ⇒ 00:18:05.900 Brylle Girang: Okay, that’s cool. I think, Zarin, also one piece that I wanted to tackle here is how can we, like, support you better? We’re trying to, you know, shift skills, we’re trying to…
161 00:18:06.130 ⇒ 00:18:14.180 Brylle Girang: Make sure that we keep you up to speed with whatever’s happening, but is there anything else that you think we could… we could improve on?
162 00:18:15.800 ⇒ 00:18:20.729 Zoran Selinger: with whatever’s happening in what… in what sense? You mean…
163 00:18:20.730 ⇒ 00:18:24.029 Brylle Girang: in… in Brainforge, like, you know, the…
164 00:18:24.490 ⇒ 00:18:26.580 Brylle Girang: That we’re changing, yeah, in general.
165 00:18:28.430 ⇒ 00:18:34.410 Zoran Selinger: I think… yeah, I think you’re… You’re doing fine?
166 00:18:34.950 ⇒ 00:18:37.829 Zoran Selinger: the… I went through the courses.
167 00:18:37.950 ⇒ 00:18:42.049 Zoran Selinger: And they are very good, especially the foundation is…
168 00:18:42.050 ⇒ 00:18:42.390 Brylle Girang: Okay.
169 00:18:42.600 ⇒ 00:18:50.840 Zoran Selinger: just gave me a… like, once I… we restock, like, I restart working on tasks, like…
170 00:18:51.220 ⇒ 00:18:56.709 Zoran Selinger: creating tickets and, like, meeting Freak and all that stuff.
171 00:18:57.140 ⇒ 00:19:00.129 Zoran Selinger: I’m gonna do that for everything.
172 00:19:00.520 ⇒ 00:19:01.210 Brylle Girang: Okay.
173 00:19:01.210 ⇒ 00:19:06.100 Zoran Selinger: I just… It wasn’t clear to me, just having, having that…
174 00:19:07.100 ⇒ 00:19:15.539 Zoran Selinger: that course really made it easy to understand, like, I should be using it in every step of my work, right?
175 00:19:15.800 ⇒ 00:19:16.950 Brylle Girang: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
176 00:19:16.950 ⇒ 00:19:18.330 Zoran Selinger: Amazing. Great.
177 00:19:18.330 ⇒ 00:19:19.090 Brylle Girang: Yeah, okay.
178 00:19:19.090 ⇒ 00:19:29.070 Zoran Selinger: I just, like, I wasn’t aware, I wasn’t able to follow, I had so, so much to do, I just simply, couldn’t get, couldn’t catch up on it.
179 00:19:29.510 ⇒ 00:19:30.389 Brylle Girang: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
180 00:19:30.850 ⇒ 00:19:31.610 Zoran Selinger: Battle.
181 00:19:31.610 ⇒ 00:19:32.410 Brylle Girang: Totally understand.
182 00:19:32.410 ⇒ 00:19:39.250 Zoran Selinger: it allowed me, it allowed me to do it, and it’s very clear. It’s very clear.
183 00:19:39.790 ⇒ 00:19:41.170 Zoran Selinger: Okay.
184 00:19:41.170 ⇒ 00:19:41.690 Brylle Girang: Amazing.
185 00:19:41.690 ⇒ 00:19:43.409 Zoran Selinger: And all that stuff is great.
186 00:19:44.580 ⇒ 00:19:45.210 Zoran Selinger: Okay.
187 00:19:45.370 ⇒ 00:19:52.799 Brylle Girang: Amazing. So yeah, so our main goal here is, I know that, you know, your days are packed, your brains are packed, we’re trying to.
188 00:19:52.800 ⇒ 00:19:56.469 Zoran Selinger: Everyone’s is. I am not saying I’m the exception.
189 00:19:56.470 ⇒ 00:19:57.000 Brylle Girang: No, no, no.
190 00:19:57.000 ⇒ 00:19:57.320 Zoran Selinger: exemption.
191 00:19:57.320 ⇒ 00:19:57.970 Brylle Girang: Yeah.
192 00:19:57.970 ⇒ 00:19:58.700 Zoran Selinger: Some people are.
193 00:19:58.700 ⇒ 00:19:59.110 Brylle Girang: Yeah.
194 00:19:59.110 ⇒ 00:20:03.739 Zoran Selinger: deliver, to, to deliver work, but also keep track,
195 00:20:04.210 ⇒ 00:20:08.620 Zoran Selinger: I’m… I guess I’m not… I’m not the maintenance.
196 00:20:08.620 ⇒ 00:20:09.549 Brylle Girang: I don’t know who you’re… I think.
197 00:20:09.550 ⇒ 00:20:14.849 Zoran Selinger: I need an additional hour in a day, which oftentimes I simply don’t have.
198 00:20:15.930 ⇒ 00:20:23.260 Brylle Girang: Yeah, you’re doing great, you’re doing great. I think you’re doing a lot better. I mean, L&D wants to make sure that, you know, we don’t…
199 00:20:23.890 ⇒ 00:20:34.900 Brylle Girang: we don’t move things, but rather we fill in the gaps. So kind of like, you know, a sand instead of another stone or another rock that needs to fit inside the bottle, right?
200 00:20:34.900 ⇒ 00:20:35.520 Zoran Selinger: Yeah.
201 00:20:35.520 ⇒ 00:20:36.070 Brylle Girang: Yeah.
202 00:20:36.260 ⇒ 00:20:48.639 Brylle Girang: Okay, this is amazing, yeah. Thank you, thank you, Zoran. So, again, this is amazing, I love the work that you’re doing, the improvements that we’re seeing. If you need anything, just reach out, okay?
203 00:20:49.350 ⇒ 00:20:52.860 Zoran Selinger: Yeah, I mean, the only thing now is,
204 00:20:54.310 ⇒ 00:20:56.859 Zoran Selinger: Who has to be involved in…
205 00:20:57.370 ⇒ 00:21:00.000 Zoran Selinger: Kind of continuing to talking about this…
206 00:21:00.190 ⇒ 00:21:03.589 Zoran Selinger: transition for me, if it’s gonna happen.
207 00:21:04.620 ⇒ 00:21:08.000 Zoran Selinger: When can that happen? Who needs to be involved?
208 00:21:08.660 ⇒ 00:21:09.180 Brylle Girang: Yep.
209 00:21:10.360 ⇒ 00:21:15.429 Brylle Girang: Yeah, I’m going to be having this conversation with Otam, like, I want to make sure that
210 00:21:15.600 ⇒ 00:21:27.099 Brylle Girang: This is not just going to be a verbal transition, like, hey, I want to be an IC. I want to make sure that we have a plan, like, when are you going to start… when are you going to start, you know, letting go of things?
211 00:21:27.170 ⇒ 00:21:36.759 Brylle Girang: when is Utam and Robert going to jump in, all those stuff, but I hear you. I’m going to make sure that we follow up on that, okay?
212 00:21:37.080 ⇒ 00:21:44.280 Zoran Selinger: Okay, cool. Cool. Another question. So, I… I had a conversation with you in… in…
213 00:21:44.470 ⇒ 00:21:47.479 Zoran Selinger: in the thread about, allow…
214 00:21:47.480 ⇒ 00:21:48.500 Brylle Girang: Oh, yeah, the MCP.
215 00:21:48.500 ⇒ 00:21:55.260 Zoran Selinger: the MCPs, is… is AI even right in saying
216 00:21:55.490 ⇒ 00:22:00.890 Zoran Selinger: where we’re stuck with particular MCPs, are those… is that message even right?
217 00:22:01.340 ⇒ 00:22:02.050 Zoran Selinger: Should I miss?
218 00:22:02.050 ⇒ 00:22:03.539 Brylle Girang: I’m actually trying to.
219 00:22:03.880 ⇒ 00:22:08.940 Brylle Girang: Yeah, can you share your screen? I think we have time. Let’s try to debug it. Is that okay?
220 00:22:10.050 ⇒ 00:22:15.030 Zoran Selinger: Yeah, let me, let’s see, how can I… okay, we are in Zoom.
221 00:22:15.030 ⇒ 00:22:20.129 Brylle Girang: So the weird thing… the weird thing is that it’s… it’s my first time, like, seeing that.
222 00:22:21.310 ⇒ 00:22:21.950 Zoran Selinger: Yep.
223 00:22:23.230 ⇒ 00:22:26.300 Brylle Girang: So I want to know, like, what’s actually happening.
224 00:22:27.230 ⇒ 00:22:29.919 Zoran Selinger: Let me… I’ll share my screen.
225 00:22:37.910 ⇒ 00:22:41.610 Zoran Selinger: Yeah, so let me… bind…
226 00:22:44.680 ⇒ 00:22:47.420 Zoran Selinger: Let me find the conversation.
227 00:22:48.230 ⇒ 00:22:48.650 Brylle Girang: Okay.
228 00:22:52.760 ⇒ 00:22:53.280 Zoran Selinger: Is it…
229 00:22:53.280 ⇒ 00:22:54.750 Brylle Girang: Alright, actually…
230 00:22:56.240 ⇒ 00:22:56.940 Zoran Selinger: Yep.
231 00:22:57.350 ⇒ 00:23:02.029 Brylle Girang: Yeah, so you, you tried, you tried running the command, like MCP auth, right?
232 00:23:03.750 ⇒ 00:23:06.369 Zoran Selinger: Yes, of course. Yes, yes, of course.
233 00:23:06.370 ⇒ 00:23:08.280 Brylle Girang: then… And then you…
234 00:23:08.280 ⇒ 00:23:09.130 Zoran Selinger: No, I mean, we can’.
235 00:23:09.130 ⇒ 00:23:09.500 Brylle Girang: errors.
236 00:23:09.500 ⇒ 00:23:14.670 Zoran Selinger: We can… we can do it together. Let me show you. Yeah, sure. Let me just show you,
237 00:23:16.280 ⇒ 00:23:18.089 Zoran Selinger: what I currently have.
238 00:23:18.270 ⇒ 00:23:26.779 Zoran Selinger: So, this one… requires authentication, and when I… I’ll… I’ll show you when I start.
239 00:23:26.780 ⇒ 00:23:27.629 Brylle Girang: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
240 00:23:28.450 ⇒ 00:23:34.409 Zoran Selinger: Let me go outside of the code here.
241 00:23:41.450 ⇒ 00:23:43.950 Zoran Selinger: What’s the name? Brain Forge?
242 00:23:43.950 ⇒ 00:23:45.920 Brylle Girang: Inforge dash dash Google.
243 00:23:46.230 ⇒ 00:23:47.430 Brylle Girang: There’s no space.
244 00:24:00.950 ⇒ 00:24:02.200 Zoran Selinger: So it opened.
245 00:24:07.260 ⇒ 00:24:13.269 Zoran Selinger: it says the client ID was not found in the server client’s registry, so I get a…
246 00:24:13.270 ⇒ 00:24:13.900 Brylle Girang: Yeah.
247 00:24:13.900 ⇒ 00:24:23.190 Zoran Selinger: It’s exactly what you see there. So this is the client ID that is referring, so I sent it in Slack.
248 00:24:24.150 ⇒ 00:24:24.490 Brylle Girang: Okay.
249 00:24:24.940 ⇒ 00:24:25.750 Zoran Selinger: Gotcha.
250 00:24:25.750 ⇒ 00:24:26.679 Brylle Girang: Yeah, I, I…
251 00:24:26.680 ⇒ 00:24:29.630 Zoran Selinger: Well, this is the actual screenshot.
252 00:24:29.790 ⇒ 00:24:30.790 Zoran Selinger: of…
253 00:24:33.390 ⇒ 00:24:44.189 Brylle Girang: Okay. I just tried it. It was working before, and I tried it now, and I am getting the same error as you. So I’m going to be… I’m going to reach out to Utam to fix this.
254 00:24:44.450 ⇒ 00:24:45.320 Zoran Selinger: Okay.
255 00:24:45.500 ⇒ 00:24:52.200 Zoran Selinger: And for select… Let me… Figure out the slack.
256 00:24:53.930 ⇒ 00:24:55.270 Brylle Girang: Two people’s left.
257 00:24:55.710 ⇒ 00:24:57.219 Brylle Girang: I’m mostly trying it out.
258 00:25:00.400 ⇒ 00:25:05.260 Zoran Selinger: also kind of tells me the messages, like, you should use cursor for this.
259 00:25:06.030 ⇒ 00:25:06.770 Brylle Girang: Okay.
260 00:25:07.850 ⇒ 00:25:14.109 Zoran Selinger: And just says the… the redirect URI did not match.
261 00:25:14.780 ⇒ 00:25:15.670 Zoran Selinger: Yeah.
262 00:25:15.670 ⇒ 00:25:17.720 Brylle Girang: Yeah, I have that too.
263 00:25:19.160 ⇒ 00:25:22.870 Brylle Girang: Okay, okay, I’m going to reach out to Utam to fix this.
264 00:25:23.110 ⇒ 00:25:23.760 Zoran Selinger: Okay.
265 00:25:24.380 ⇒ 00:25:26.479 Brylle Girang: Okay. Thank you. Thank you, man.
266 00:25:26.940 ⇒ 00:25:30.579 Zoran Selinger: Sure, thank you, have a good one. Talk soon. Bye-bye.