Meeting Title: Uttam - Pranav Weekly Sync Date: 2026-04-15 Meeting participants: Pranav Narahari, Uttam Kumaran, Garrett Gibson
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1 00:11:26.970 ⇒ 00:11:27.900 Uttam Kumaran: Yo.
2 00:11:50.130 ⇒ 00:11:51.250 Pranav Narahari: Hey, sorry.
3 00:11:51.450 ⇒ 00:11:52.240 Uttam Kumaran: Hey!
4 00:11:53.200 ⇒ 00:11:54.210 Pranav Narahari: What’s up, what’s up?
5 00:11:54.420 ⇒ 00:11:56.320 Garrett Gibson: Hey, you guys. How’s it going?
6 00:12:00.110 ⇒ 00:12:07.630 Uttam Kumaran: Okay, topic. Maybe, Garrett, I’ll… I can start with yours. So, one is, I was like, you’re starting to get… you’re starting to get hit with a bunch of stuff.
7 00:12:07.630 ⇒ 00:12:09.350 Garrett Gibson: So I want it.
8 00:12:09.350 ⇒ 00:12:21.100 Uttam Kumaran: So, one thing is, I wanted… I don’t know if I… I usually say this to everybody that joins, but, like, if I did say it, it’s okay. If I didn’t, then here we go. Like, there’s a lot of trash on the ground.
9 00:12:21.100 ⇒ 00:12:23.140 Garrett Gibson: This place.
10 00:12:23.140 ⇒ 00:12:38.529 Uttam Kumaran: So, if you’re… if you… if you’re really great with a broom, people are gonna be like, oh, there’s a spot over there, there’s a spot over there. I know you know that, I know you’re gonna be like, I know I can, like, like, I’m here to help, blah blah blah. But I don’t speed it in a way
11 00:12:38.850 ⇒ 00:12:41.979 Uttam Kumaran: To tell you not to take things on, but be careful.
12 00:12:42.160 ⇒ 00:12:43.200 Garrett Gibson: Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
13 00:12:43.200 ⇒ 00:12:49.880 Uttam Kumaran: And so, like, I think that’s the one thing. I saw, you know, you’re helping a little bit on default, this amplitude thing.
14 00:12:50.420 ⇒ 00:13:06.209 Uttam Kumaran: Greg is extremely resourceful, and that’s why I think he’s awesome, but people who are resourceful or brainforged know that they just find… they’re gonna find ways to get everything done. And so that’s what I want you to just make sure your directive is really to nail Element, and then I think you’re kind of on Eden.
15 00:13:06.210 ⇒ 00:13:06.670 Garrett Gibson: Yep.
16 00:13:06.670 ⇒ 00:13:14.270 Uttam Kumaran: Knock those and make sure those are, like, running smoothly, because you’re gonna build a… you’re gonna have a book of work
17 00:13:14.430 ⇒ 00:13:17.929 Uttam Kumaran: as fast as you can blink here. I’m not worried about that.
18 00:13:18.150 ⇒ 00:13:24.090 Garrett Gibson: Oh, yeah, so yeah, it was just more of kind of just, like, a side project, you know, it’s like, so, yeah.
19 00:13:24.090 ⇒ 00:13:28.769 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, I would say if you have bandwidth, then I have some more important side projects for you.
20 00:13:28.770 ⇒ 00:13:31.520 Garrett Gibson: Okay, yeah, totally, yeah.
21 00:13:31.520 ⇒ 00:13:39.010 Uttam Kumaran: The one thing is, like, one thing I think is helpful is, like, all of us now have our ear to sort of the ground, and so I think one thing is, like, I want to be…
22 00:13:39.380 ⇒ 00:13:40.729 Uttam Kumaran: I want to help.
23 00:13:41.490 ⇒ 00:13:44.669 Uttam Kumaran: like, I think where to use me is for prioritization, because…
24 00:13:44.670 ⇒ 00:13:45.170 Garrett Gibson: Yeah.
25 00:13:45.170 ⇒ 00:13:53.869 Uttam Kumaran: the amplitude thing is important, but I have, like, a couple of other things that, if you are looking at things broadly across the business, I have some things that.
26 00:13:54.130 ⇒ 00:13:59.970 Garrett Gibson: Yeah, and I love to create, like, new tickets, because it helps me kind of, like, you know, just prioritizing my own work and solutions.
27 00:13:59.970 ⇒ 00:14:08.219 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, so maybe we can even talk through that. So one thing I have is, I haven’t created, like… I… on the delivery.
28 00:14:08.800 ⇒ 00:14:19.399 Uttam Kumaran: side, I have a delivery team where I’m creating tickets. All we have underneath there are, and I’ll just share this, all we have underneath…
29 00:14:19.820 ⇒ 00:14:26.000 Uttam Kumaran: Here are just, like, delivery, and then there’s, like, the services team.
30 00:14:26.720 ⇒ 00:14:27.419 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, bro.
31 00:14:27.760 ⇒ 00:14:29.070 Uttam Kumaran: So, I can…
32 00:14:29.770 ⇒ 00:14:39.279 Uttam Kumaran: I guess, like, we can create tickets under delivery, and have you take them. These are things like playbooks, these are things like…
33 00:14:39.420 ⇒ 00:14:52.699 Uttam Kumaran: hygiene, or reporting, or… like, I’m… sales engineering, I think, is also gonna fall under here, so that Amplitude demo instance is, like, a per… it’s, like, exact sales engineering ask. Right.
34 00:14:52.780 ⇒ 00:15:02.430 Uttam Kumaran: So I would prefer that, like, yeah, among me, you, Brile, anybody that’s taking, like, delivery team things, we track here, because that’s where I’m gonna track
35 00:15:02.610 ⇒ 00:15:04.330 Uttam Kumaran: All my stuff as well.
36 00:15:05.300 ⇒ 00:15:23.160 Uttam Kumaran: like, even the things like, hey, standardize the data platform spreadsheet, and then deploy it to all clients is, like, a great, like, one, and then, like, whatever it takes to, like, replace what exists, update what exists, train people. Like, that’s a great, like, artifact that I think we could just put under…
37 00:15:23.370 ⇒ 00:15:25.140 Uttam Kumaran: The delivery team, you know?
38 00:15:25.140 ⇒ 00:15:31.659 Garrett Gibson: Okay, yeah, no, that sounds great. Yeah, if we can… yeah, we’ll just use this backlog, I think, to drive that.
39 00:15:32.000 ⇒ 00:15:38.759 Uttam Kumaran: Okay, so let’s do that. How about I’m gonna go ahead and let’s just… I’m just gonna create another thing here for,
40 00:15:38.930 ⇒ 00:15:40.460 Uttam Kumaran: sales engineering.
41 00:15:40.640 ⇒ 00:15:40.970 Garrett Gibson: Yeah.
42 00:15:40.970 ⇒ 00:15:43.750 Uttam Kumaran: Let me find out where to go.
43 00:15:43.750 ⇒ 00:15:48.059 Garrett Gibson: I think he put it under something called GTM, where… is that, like, another project?
44 00:15:48.060 ⇒ 00:15:52.840 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, well, there’s, there is a, sales team here.
45 00:15:52.920 ⇒ 00:15:53.920 Garrett Gibson: Okay, yeah.
46 00:15:55.150 ⇒ 00:16:01.130 Uttam Kumaran: And then… but I’m just gonna take it and put it under here, because I just want to give… Robert, I don’t want… unless.
47 00:16:01.130 ⇒ 00:16:01.640 Garrett Gibson: Good.
48 00:16:01.640 ⇒ 00:16:05.329 Uttam Kumaran: If you’re curious about where people should put it, people should just spam it in a channel, and we’ll get it to the point.
49 00:16:05.330 ⇒ 00:16:05.990 Garrett Gibson: Okay.
50 00:16:05.990 ⇒ 00:16:07.269 Uttam Kumaran: at the right place, I don’t want to.
51 00:16:07.270 ⇒ 00:16:07.830 Garrett Gibson: Perfect.
52 00:16:07.830 ⇒ 00:16:13.840 Uttam Kumaran: about that, so… I’m just gonna create another team… Okay. …under here.
53 00:16:14.000 ⇒ 00:16:16.120 Uttam Kumaran: I don’t know, oh, okay, subteam…
54 00:16:16.350 ⇒ 00:16:19.070 Uttam Kumaran: I’m just gonna call it, like, Sales Engineering.
55 00:16:22.390 ⇒ 00:16:26.330 Uttam Kumaran: I don’t… I… SalesEng, S-Eng, I guess.
56 00:16:27.710 ⇒ 00:16:31.560 Uttam Kumaran: And… Cool.
57 00:16:32.460 ⇒ 00:16:36.930 Uttam Kumaran: So… Yeah, I can do that, and then let me add you here.
58 00:16:37.380 ⇒ 00:16:41.310 Uttam Kumaran: And then…
59 00:16:44.380 ⇒ 00:16:46.560 Uttam Kumaran: Let me,
60 00:16:50.710 ⇒ 00:16:57.470 Uttam Kumaran: And then let me also add… Who am I missing, Bernav?
61 00:17:01.990 ⇒ 00:17:02.740 Uttam Kumaran: Okay.
62 00:17:03.790 ⇒ 00:17:04.319 Garrett Gibson: Cool.
63 00:17:06.079 ⇒ 00:17:08.889 Uttam Kumaran: So, yeah, I mean, I would just, like, toss them…
64 00:17:10.429 ⇒ 00:17:15.459 Uttam Kumaran: toss them in here. So I’ll add you, I’ll add Greg, and I’ll add…
65 00:17:15.460 ⇒ 00:17:19.629 Garrett Gibson: How do we move that one that I created? Is there, like, a move button? Or something like that?
66 00:17:19.630 ⇒ 00:17:22.470 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, so, I would actually say use this thing.
67 00:17:23.020 ⇒ 00:17:25.919 Garrett Gibson: Oh, okay, cool. Yeah, let’s do that. Same.
68 00:17:25.920 ⇒ 00:17:28.919 Uttam Kumaran: what ticket? Oh, it’s… you made a ticket for the Amplitude?
69 00:17:29.190 ⇒ 00:17:29.820 Garrett Gibson: Yeah.
70 00:17:30.390 ⇒ 00:17:33.140 Uttam Kumaran: Move amplitude, did you… what, do you remember what you put in it?
71 00:17:33.700 ⇒ 00:17:39.450 Garrett Gibson: Yeah, it’s, I can just tell you the number, it’s GTM-16, looks like, yeah.
72 00:17:41.200 ⇒ 00:17:41.900 Garrett Gibson: Nope.
73 00:17:45.770 ⇒ 00:17:46.310 Uttam Kumaran: Oops.
74 00:17:49.400 ⇒ 00:17:50.410 Uttam Kumaran: Okay…
75 00:17:56.790 ⇒ 00:17:57.550 Uttam Kumaran: Cool.
76 00:17:59.700 ⇒ 00:18:07.450 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, so I actually also have, like, some type of sales engineering Roadmap?
77 00:18:07.790 ⇒ 00:18:09.730 Uttam Kumaran: I don’t know where it is…
78 00:18:10.250 ⇒ 00:18:16.739 Uttam Kumaran: I think it may be in the platform, but yeah, I think if we can start collecting things around sales and.
79 00:18:16.740 ⇒ 00:18:21.909 Garrett Gibson: I created a doc, just, like, implementation kind of plan, like, high level down there. Okay, cool.
80 00:18:21.910 ⇒ 00:18:22.780 Uttam Kumaran: Okay, great.
81 00:18:23.110 ⇒ 00:18:32.459 Uttam Kumaran: So, like, this is something that, like, yeah, I mean, I think one thing I would… on… for this one, for example, I think a doc is perfect, me and you review. I think more of what I’m concerned about is, like.
82 00:18:32.760 ⇒ 00:18:38.119 Uttam Kumaran: Okay, if you’re… if you’re like, hey, Element is a good spot, Eden is a good spot.
83 00:18:38.350 ⇒ 00:18:40.289 Uttam Kumaran: I have, like, 10 hours.
84 00:18:40.410 ⇒ 00:18:57.719 Uttam Kumaran: that’s a cue for me to be like, okay, let’s… let’s work together on, like, where we can best adapt it, because I have some things. Like, I’ll either leverage that time in showing you some of the ways I’m, like, using AI, or I’ll get your help on some of the reporting allocation stuff, so this is helpful. So I think, like.
85 00:18:58.040 ⇒ 00:19:03.750 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, I think this is good. Like, what do you… so I guess, like, let’s start with clients of, like, how do you feel on existing stuff?
86 00:19:03.930 ⇒ 00:19:07.139 Uttam Kumaran: Like, yeah, just, like, give me the sort of, like, sit rep.
87 00:19:07.990 ⇒ 00:19:24.969 Garrett Gibson: Yeah, I mean, I feel like, especially on Element, like, with Jasmine now coming on, I feel like, you know, she and I could kind of, like, tag-team between, like, you know, gathering the updates, like, for the weekly deck, and presenting, and then, she’s also been, like, having a lot more, one-on-ones, I think, with, Shivani, so she’s been getting…
88 00:19:25.040 ⇒ 00:19:38.770 Garrett Gibson: like, good, you know, feedback. I think she even has, like, a new tracker, like, for the dashboards. Okay. And then, so kind of like, Shivani writes feedback, and then we kind of write feedback, so that it kind of keeps it more, you know, organized.
89 00:19:39.410 ⇒ 00:19:40.120 Uttam Kumaran: Okay.
90 00:19:40.950 ⇒ 00:19:53.819 Garrett Gibson: And then in terms of default, I, helped Greg with the weekly update for this week, so he seems ready to go for tomorrow, and then I created kind of like a roadmap, kind of like the element view, you know, that I created.
91 00:19:53.820 ⇒ 00:19:54.210 Uttam Kumaran: Perfect.
92 00:19:54.210 ⇒ 00:20:01.610 Garrett Gibson: So I tied it to the, there was, like, a SAW documentation, I think, Demi kind of had, so…
93 00:20:01.880 ⇒ 00:20:08.999 Garrett Gibson: I, I just took the salad details from that and combined it with the linear plan that we have for default, so…
94 00:20:09.510 ⇒ 00:20:20.640 Garrett Gibson: Included that in there also, and then, yeah, Robert tapped me to help out with the Eden, like, bi-weekly deck, so already starting on, putting that together, too, so… Okay.
95 00:20:21.450 ⇒ 00:20:26.690 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, I mean, that’s great. I think, like, when I think about default, I’m thinking more of, like.
96 00:20:27.910 ⇒ 00:20:32.979 Uttam Kumaran: next time, instead of doing it, be like, I’ll do it, but then now, here’s how to do it for yourself next time.
97 00:20:32.980 ⇒ 00:20:35.010 Garrett Gibson: Right. Like, I would say this.
98 00:20:35.010 ⇒ 00:20:45.989 Uttam Kumaran: I’ll say the same thing for me. I have clients where I would like to start putting decks together, but more of what I’m looking for is, like, okay, can Garrett give me, like, the format and maybe, like, some AI skills to help me, like.
99 00:20:46.430 ⇒ 00:20:47.610 Garrett Gibson: Absolutely, yeah.
100 00:20:47.610 ⇒ 00:20:48.760 Uttam Kumaran: execute, you know?
101 00:20:48.900 ⇒ 00:20:50.290 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah.
102 00:20:50.290 ⇒ 00:21:01.200 Garrett Gibson: Yeah, I’ve been using, Claude a lot, too, like, I like Claude, just because, like, we can use the connectors, you know, like MCPs, and connect to, like, Slack, and Linear and, like, all that.
103 00:21:01.380 ⇒ 00:21:08.030 Garrett Gibson: Yeah. So it makes it, pretty clean, especially with, like, formatting, like, presentations, stuff like that.
104 00:21:08.430 ⇒ 00:21:09.030 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, okay.
105 00:21:09.030 ⇒ 00:21:10.520 Garrett Gibson: That’s… yeah.
106 00:21:11.630 ⇒ 00:21:23.890 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, so that’s what more I’m like, okay, I want to make sure… so I think that’s… that would be, like, a delivery task could be confirm, like, our standard deck format for weekly updates, and then ensure that
107 00:21:24.180 ⇒ 00:21:37.629 Uttam Kumaran: next week, every client gets run through that, right? That way, you’re gonna go… even if it takes, like, hey, I’m just gonna help Greg get this out, that’s still, like, okay, now next week, you can be like, Greg, are you able to actually accomplish this without me, you know?
108 00:21:37.650 ⇒ 00:21:43.080 Garrett Gibson: Yeah, that’ll free up my more bandwidth for me, too, and then I can, you know, take on another test, too, so that’ll be good.
109 00:21:43.080 ⇒ 00:21:56.719 Uttam Kumaran: And then that’s… that way, for my job, is then to look and see, like, okay, how was Gary using Claude to do these? Is there a faster way I can show you to, like, generate slides, you know, quicker? Absolutely. And, like, that way, you’re the… you’re the distribution point.
110 00:21:56.990 ⇒ 00:21:57.800 Garrett Gibson: Absolutely.
111 00:21:57.800 ⇒ 00:22:02.209 Uttam Kumaran: that’s, like, kind of, like, what I want you to think about is, like, if you find yourself doing one-offs.
112 00:22:02.390 ⇒ 00:22:12.330 Uttam Kumaran: really think about, like, okay, is it one-off just because it’s, like, we’re in a pinch? And then, like, how do we start to get everybody to start to learn? Because it doesn’t even just need to be the people on…
113 00:22:12.440 ⇒ 00:22:16.280 Uttam Kumaran: on the CSOs, it could be, like, anybody, hey, if you’re making a deck, like, here’s.
114 00:22:16.280 ⇒ 00:22:16.780 Garrett Gibson: Yep.
115 00:22:16.780 ⇒ 00:22:18.760 Uttam Kumaran: Standard process for doing that, you know?
116 00:22:19.050 ⇒ 00:22:23.159 Garrett Gibson: Yeah, maybe it’s something I can, like, document and share, like, on demo day and stuff like that, too.
117 00:22:23.160 ⇒ 00:22:24.160 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah. Well…
118 00:22:25.720 ⇒ 00:22:27.300 Garrett Gibson: Cool. That sounds good.
119 00:22:29.260 ⇒ 00:22:35.249 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, so I feel like as long as Eden, Element are going well, I feel good about default.
120 00:22:35.360 ⇒ 00:22:40.170 Uttam Kumaran: I think, like, yeah, I feel like if you want to start to ticket out some things for…
121 00:22:40.330 ⇒ 00:22:52.569 Uttam Kumaran: delivery, or if you want my help, I can ticket out some things. Like, I have ideas… I have… there’s, like, specs and docs that I need that I would love to just hand off to you, so maybe I can just create some of those tickets, like, for example…
122 00:22:52.570 ⇒ 00:22:53.030 Garrett Gibson: Great, yeah.
123 00:22:53.030 ⇒ 00:22:55.610 Uttam Kumaran: I want you to have familiar with, like, the dashboard spec.
124 00:22:55.730 ⇒ 00:23:00.270 Uttam Kumaran: We have, like, this, like, new data source sort of memo spec. Yeah.
125 00:23:00.270 ⇒ 00:23:05.200 Garrett Gibson: That’ll keep it a lot more organized for me, and then I can just, kind of, you know, tackle one by one, and yeah.
126 00:23:05.200 ⇒ 00:23:17.820 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, so maybe, okay, maybe that’s what I’ll do today, is I’ll try to spend some time thinking about some of the standardization that we need across clients, and then you can just take a look, and I think for me, what I want to… I think what I want…
127 00:23:18.050 ⇒ 00:23:26.230 Uttam Kumaran: is you to look… tell me, like, okay, I can take this on, but here’s how I’m going to do it, or is there a faster path?
128 00:23:26.400 ⇒ 00:23:37.479 Garrett Gibson: Yeah, and that’s kind of, like, how I, so, like, the amplitude stuff, like, I started with just, building, like, implementation plan, so then you can kind of see, like, how am I gonna, like, tackle it, you know, essentially.
129 00:23:37.480 ⇒ 00:23:39.849 Uttam Kumaran: Exactly it. Okay. Sick. Perfect.
130 00:23:39.850 ⇒ 00:23:40.400 Garrett Gibson: That goes…
131 00:23:40.400 ⇒ 00:23:42.889 Uttam Kumaran: We’re also gonna wanna do one…
132 00:23:42.890 ⇒ 00:23:45.800 Garrett Gibson: Linear, right? Like, kind of, like, to reflect that plan, you know.
133 00:23:45.800 ⇒ 00:23:48.950 Uttam Kumaran: Even just a plan and one ticket is totally fine.
134 00:23:48.950 ⇒ 00:23:49.860 Garrett Gibson: Yeah, that’s probably good enough.
135 00:23:49.860 ⇒ 00:23:58.780 Uttam Kumaran: Because guess what? We’re gonna do this, we’re gonna stand up a version of Snowflake as, like, a sales engineering demo, like, a couple of these.
136 00:23:58.900 ⇒ 00:24:06.000 Uttam Kumaran: And we’re bringing on a partnerships manager who’s basically gonna be immediately asking for a lot of that stuff, so…
137 00:24:06.000 ⇒ 00:24:08.640 Garrett Gibson: Okay. Yeah, that sounds good. Oh, great.
138 00:24:10.320 ⇒ 00:24:18.000 Garrett Gibson: Yeah, I’ll just, yeah, I think you can just add the priority, so I’ll just kind of, like, go in priority order, and then, yeah, while I’m doing these, like…
139 00:24:18.220 ⇒ 00:24:22.839 Garrett Gibson: You know, getting more familiar with the different clients, you know, that I’m more closely supporting.
140 00:24:22.840 ⇒ 00:24:28.390 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, so let me, let me even just make a few now, yeah, so I’ll just say, I’m gonna create,
141 00:24:28.600 ⇒ 00:24:32.990 Uttam Kumaran: We had a few tickets in delivery team assigned.
142 00:24:33.810 ⇒ 00:24:36.120 Uttam Kumaran: to Garrett. Cool.
143 00:24:36.590 ⇒ 00:24:43.469 Uttam Kumaran: Basically, it’s like… so, I’m gonna just say, like, create… and distribute… And you can tackle…
144 00:24:43.920 ⇒ 00:24:44.520 Garrett Gibson: Yeah.
145 00:24:44.520 ⇒ 00:24:53.210 Uttam Kumaran: impact our split, so I’m gonna say create… So… One is create and distribute…
146 00:24:53.420 ⇒ 00:25:06.290 Uttam Kumaran: Updated data platform documentation template to the is gonna be deprecate… Insta, Gantt, completely…
147 00:25:06.990 ⇒ 00:25:16.690 Uttam Kumaran: Moving… To slides, or, slides, platform docs, linear, whatever you decide.
148 00:25:16.800 ⇒ 00:25:30.680 Uttam Kumaran: The next one I’m gonna say is, like, We have the amplitude ticket,
149 00:25:35.090 ⇒ 00:25:42.530 Uttam Kumaran: I think I’m gonna… this also is so, like, confirm, standard… Ticket,
150 00:25:43.810 ⇒ 00:25:50.139 Uttam Kumaran: I want you to just start to take a look at how I did the ticket labeling, and ticket,
151 00:25:50.260 ⇒ 00:25:51.350 Uttam Kumaran: Default.
152 00:25:51.530 ⇒ 00:25:58.660 Uttam Kumaran: like, description. It’s all, like, kind of, like, I decided, so if you can look at that, just basically, like…
153 00:25:58.660 ⇒ 00:26:01.009 Garrett Gibson: expand on it, like, if it’s high level, I can…
154 00:26:01.010 ⇒ 00:26:12.470 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, like, the biggest thing I did was, like, my biggest job was, like, I wanted every ticket to be able to be tagged to a service, and I’m gonna build an automation that, like, kind of does this automatically, but then we have these, like, more operational labels.
155 00:26:13.220 ⇒ 00:26:16.870 Uttam Kumaran: Just so you… so there’s someone else that thinks about labels and cares as much as.
156 00:26:16.870 ⇒ 00:26:19.419 Garrett Gibson: Yeah. That’s a good point.
157 00:26:19.870 ⇒ 00:26:23.500 Uttam Kumaran: So standard ticket labeling and ticket default description.
158 00:26:24.220 ⇒ 00:26:32.849 Uttam Kumaran: I’m also gonna say, single Client Health View in Rill.
159 00:26:33.010 ⇒ 00:26:41.490 Uttam Kumaran: So I’ll just kind of show you a little bit about RIL. I’m going to say Client Portfolio Health View in RIL.
160 00:26:41.790 ⇒ 00:26:48.710 Uttam Kumaran: I’m gonna say single service health view… NREL.
161 00:26:49.870 ⇒ 00:26:51.899 Garrett Gibson: What is that? What is the real? I don’t sure…
162 00:26:51.900 ⇒ 00:26:55.130 Uttam Kumaran: Well, it’s a BI tool that we’re using for, like, our internal data, yeah.
163 00:26:55.130 ⇒ 00:26:56.110 Garrett Gibson: Okay, got it.
164 00:26:56.110 ⇒ 00:26:59.460 Uttam Kumaran: Completely programmable, so it’s, like, easy to develop on.
165 00:26:59.900 ⇒ 00:27:01.890 Uttam Kumaran: Well, we could also do… Okay.
166 00:27:01.890 ⇒ 00:27:04.069 Garrett Gibson: Chatting with AI, something like that, man.
167 00:27:04.070 ⇒ 00:27:08.499 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, chaining with AI, but also the development. I mean, we could also do an Omni, we have an Omni instance, so…
168 00:27:08.500 ⇒ 00:27:10.420 Garrett Gibson: Yeah. Or do that, yeah.
169 00:27:10.420 ⇒ 00:27:15.380 Uttam Kumaran: Whatever is the easiest. Ticket for…
170 00:27:18.730 ⇒ 00:27:26.740 Uttam Kumaran: a populated Omni instance for our common… industries…
171 00:27:32.830 ⇒ 00:27:34.370 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, we had,
172 00:27:45.760 ⇒ 00:27:47.440 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, I feel like that’s…
173 00:27:49.740 ⇒ 00:27:53.149 Garrett Gibson: I can also add new ones, like, you know, each week, I’m sure, like…
174 00:27:53.150 ⇒ 00:27:53.830 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, yeah.
175 00:27:53.830 ⇒ 00:27:55.840 Garrett Gibson: Things will come up, so…
176 00:28:19.050 ⇒ 00:28:23.790 Uttam Kumaran: Okay, that’s plenty. I’ll think of some more now that… now that I kind of have it in my mind.
177 00:28:23.790 ⇒ 00:28:27.549 Garrett Gibson: Cool. And then you put, like, the priority next to each one, so, like, if I go to my…
178 00:28:27.670 ⇒ 00:28:28.400 Garrett Gibson: the scientists.
179 00:28:28.400 ⇒ 00:28:31.429 Uttam Kumaran: I realize I’m not even sharing.
180 00:28:31.430 ⇒ 00:28:33.239 Garrett Gibson: Oh yeah, that’s right.
181 00:28:33.470 ⇒ 00:28:38.930 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, so I will, yeah, I… I can assign… I can assign the priorities.
182 00:28:38.930 ⇒ 00:28:40.110 Garrett Gibson: Okay, cool.
183 00:28:40.110 ⇒ 00:28:40.750 Uttam Kumaran: July.
184 00:28:40.980 ⇒ 00:28:42.630 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah.
185 00:28:42.980 ⇒ 00:28:45.730 Garrett Gibson: And then I’ll just look at my, like, backlog.
186 00:28:49.330 ⇒ 00:28:54.950 Uttam Kumaran: 8RIBRIO… 7 is medium.
187 00:28:58.340 ⇒ 00:29:06.730 Uttam Kumaran: 7… 4, 5… Or medium… Rest or low.
188 00:29:07.880 ⇒ 00:29:08.450 Garrett Gibson: Tot…
189 00:29:08.790 ⇒ 00:29:09.580 Uttam Kumaran: Great.
190 00:29:10.280 ⇒ 00:29:10.870 Garrett Gibson: Awesome.
191 00:29:12.150 ⇒ 00:29:16.870 Garrett Gibson: But yeah, I’ll just, start growing, you know, one by one, and then,
192 00:29:17.120 ⇒ 00:29:24.330 Garrett Gibson: Yeah, maybe I’ll just use the same kind of method, just create kind of like an implementation plan, you know, just like a one-pager, you know, how I’ll talk more… Yeah, that’s perfect.
193 00:29:24.330 ⇒ 00:29:28.329 Uttam Kumaran: I mean, even if… even if what you want to do is create it right here in the ticket.
194 00:29:28.700 ⇒ 00:29:29.460 Garrett Gibson: Yeah.
195 00:29:29.460 ⇒ 00:29:37.780 Uttam Kumaran: you don’t even need to create the doc, because… because this is all internal, right? So I… if you… if you create it right in the ticket, or put it right here, or put it as a comment.
196 00:29:37.900 ⇒ 00:29:38.910 Uttam Kumaran: That’s perfect.
197 00:29:38.910 ⇒ 00:29:40.269 Garrett Gibson: Yeah, I’ll just do that.
198 00:29:40.270 ⇒ 00:29:46.270 Uttam Kumaran: I’ll just… I can leave comments, and what happens is when you use AI to execute it, it will read all the dialogue.
199 00:29:46.270 ⇒ 00:29:47.679 Garrett Gibson: Yeah, it’ll be better.
200 00:29:47.680 ⇒ 00:29:50.399 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, so that’s great, you know? Cool.
201 00:29:50.810 ⇒ 00:29:51.230 Garrett Gibson: Awesome.
202 00:29:51.230 ⇒ 00:29:57.800 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, the problem with Google Docs is, like, we create all these artifacts, like, I’m trying to centralize to the platform, but frankly, if it’s in the platform or in linear.
203 00:29:58.180 ⇒ 00:29:58.500 Garrett Gibson: Yeah.
204 00:29:58.500 ⇒ 00:30:03.229 Uttam Kumaran: happy, because then it’s programmable to get, whereas the GDocs will get lost, so…
205 00:30:03.870 ⇒ 00:30:04.400 Garrett Gibson: Cool.
206 00:30:05.260 ⇒ 00:30:11.209 Uttam Kumaran: Okay, cool. Yeah, and then, I think, like, as you start to get into some of these, think about, like.
207 00:30:11.890 ⇒ 00:30:15.900 Uttam Kumaran: I think even a rule of thumb, if you’re like, hey, this is gonna take 4 hours.
208 00:30:17.000 ⇒ 00:30:21.509 Uttam Kumaran: ask me, and I’ll… I’m sure I have some methods to help you speed up.
209 00:30:22.210 ⇒ 00:30:22.600 Garrett Gibson: Yeah.
210 00:30:22.600 ⇒ 00:30:23.880 Uttam Kumaran: I have some rule of thumbs on, like…
211 00:30:23.880 ⇒ 00:30:27.389 Garrett Gibson: Just like, once I create the implementation plan, I’ll just summarize, like.
212 00:30:27.390 ⇒ 00:30:28.930 Uttam Kumaran: Oh, yeah, I guess it’s in the plan.
213 00:30:28.930 ⇒ 00:30:29.819 Garrett Gibson: Thank you, or no.
214 00:30:29.820 ⇒ 00:30:30.180 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah.
215 00:30:30.180 ⇒ 00:30:38.359 Garrett Gibson: There’s a couple bullets to you from the plan, like, on Slack, so you can just be like, oh, like, that sounds good, or maybe do it this way. That way, it’s fast for you to, like, respond, yeah.
216 00:30:38.360 ⇒ 00:30:39.300 Uttam Kumaran: Okay, okay.
217 00:30:39.650 ⇒ 00:30:40.190 Garrett Gibson: Cool.
218 00:30:42.110 ⇒ 00:30:42.890 Garrett Gibson: Okay.
219 00:30:42.890 ⇒ 00:30:43.640 Uttam Kumaran: Nice.
220 00:30:43.640 ⇒ 00:30:45.109 Garrett Gibson: Alright, thanks so much.
221 00:30:45.110 ⇒ 00:30:47.550 Uttam Kumaran: For now, we’re gonna stay on the chat, so, yeah, no problem.
222 00:30:47.550 ⇒ 00:30:49.910 Garrett Gibson: Sounds good. Alright, thanks for your time. See you later. Bye. Bye.
223 00:30:51.690 ⇒ 00:30:52.310 Uttam Kumaran: Hey, dude.
224 00:30:52.540 ⇒ 00:30:53.100 Pranav Narahari: 8.
225 00:30:54.520 ⇒ 00:30:55.850 Uttam Kumaran: Your video’s not working.
226 00:30:56.530 ⇒ 00:31:03.799 Pranav Narahari: Yeah, it says my camera’s on. I just downloaded, like, the desktop version of Zoom, so I think I might just need to, like, restart.
227 00:31:04.510 ⇒ 00:31:05.559 Uttam Kumaran: Fine, no worries.
228 00:31:05.560 ⇒ 00:31:06.780 Pranav Narahari: Can I do that real quick? Okay.
229 00:31:07.000 ⇒ 00:31:08.050 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, yeah, no worries.
230 00:31:14.680 ⇒ 00:31:15.370 Pranav Narahari: Okay.
231 00:31:27.110 ⇒ 00:31:29.190 Pranav Narahari: Do you want me to kind of get into…
232 00:31:29.190 ⇒ 00:31:35.519 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, so let’s talk about, yeah, whichever one. I guess, as long as… if ABC is done, then we can…
233 00:31:35.910 ⇒ 00:31:37.989 Uttam Kumaran: We can talk about what happened.
234 00:31:38.620 ⇒ 00:31:57.270 Pranav Narahari: Yeah, I feel like ABC is in a good place. There’s a… we addressed all of the things that Janiece talked about, right? Now it’s… we uncovered certain things that need to still be fixed, but, you know, we were just, like, on a call, kind of.
235 00:31:57.510 ⇒ 00:32:02.430 Pranav Narahari: going after, like, those 10 tickets in that, like, 3-hour session. So, like…
236 00:32:02.540 ⇒ 00:32:13.399 Pranav Narahari: Yeah, and then Sam had to drop off, and now Casey’s just kind of finalizing a couple things. I outlined everything in, like, the external chat for, like, everything that we did,
237 00:32:13.720 ⇒ 00:32:22.350 Pranav Narahari: some things that are ongoing is that they just noticed that there’s a ton of duplicates in the DB. Like, over a thousand.
238 00:32:22.940 ⇒ 00:32:29.819 Pranav Narahari: And so, Sam is basically gonna spend some time at some point to… Consolidate those?
239 00:32:29.820 ⇒ 00:32:41.850 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, I’ll do that today. I’m just gonna do that. I guess more… I’m like… I guess what I’m… I’m not interested in who’s going to take things on right now. I’m interested in what you need to be successful.
240 00:32:42.070 ⇒ 00:32:57.949 Uttam Kumaran: I don’t, like, I’m gonna do it, or someone is gonna do it. I don’t worry about that. I’m not interested in tomorrow, though. Like, I’m gonna be on for a bit. I’m gonna fix… I’m gonna fix everything. What I just need from you today is, like, what do you need fixed?
241 00:32:58.470 ⇒ 00:33:01.740 Uttam Kumaran: And, like, even hearing that Casey is not done yet, I’m like…
242 00:33:02.020 ⇒ 00:33:09.980 Uttam Kumaran: Is he gonna… is he planning on finishing it today? Like, what is he still doing that he’s, like, that’s taking this long? I guess, like, yeah, I’m…
243 00:33:10.140 ⇒ 00:33:15.190 Uttam Kumaran: I’m just gonna… whatever you need to get this in a healthy state, I’m going to do today.
244 00:33:15.440 ⇒ 00:33:19.539 Uttam Kumaran: Tomorrow, the next day, this keeps happening, I’m, like, not happy about this.
245 00:33:19.650 ⇒ 00:33:22.920 Uttam Kumaran: So, like, I want to nail down what you… what you need.
246 00:33:23.060 ⇒ 00:33:33.180 Uttam Kumaran: for Andy to be successful, and I will just accomplish that. So let’s just talk about that, and similarly, we can then switch… once I have a good sense of that, we can switch to Eden.
247 00:33:33.810 ⇒ 00:33:47.179 Pranav Narahari: Okay, yeah. High level, and then we can go into each one of these, is… I’m noticing two things. Things are getting delayed, and then there’s just ongoing bugs that keep on coming up, right? Okay. So a 3-hour session today was just…
248 00:33:47.290 ⇒ 00:33:58.720 Pranav Narahari: totally, like, firm. It took over what we were supposed to go over, which was our deliverable on Friday, and it ended up being just a 3-hour debugging session.
249 00:33:59.100 ⇒ 00:34:02.370 Pranav Narahari: So… That’s where…
250 00:34:02.850 ⇒ 00:34:14.879 Pranav Narahari: you know, I’m like, okay, these things are done, and then we just get a whole host of, like, bug fixes, or we have to do a whole host of bug fixes, and it takes up, like, 3 hours, I guess, of my time that…
251 00:34:14.880 ⇒ 00:34:19.269 Uttam Kumaran: All of those… all of those tick… all of those bug fixes were related to the database stuff?
252 00:34:19.590 ⇒ 00:34:24.139 Pranav Narahari: No, no, they weren’t. There was some database stuff, and then it was just…
253 00:34:24.610 ⇒ 00:34:26.960 Pranav Narahari: Let me… let me just share my screen, and I can do it.
254 00:34:26.969 ⇒ 00:34:27.789 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
255 00:34:27.790 ⇒ 00:34:28.530 Pranav Narahari: Everyone
256 00:34:40.980 ⇒ 00:34:41.860 Pranav Narahari: Okay.
257 00:34:48.210 ⇒ 00:34:51.159 Pranav Narahari: So these are all the tickets that we looked at during this call.
258 00:34:51.480 ⇒ 00:35:01.240 Pranav Narahari: There are… There’s database stuff in that, okay, certain…
259 00:35:01.650 ⇒ 00:35:12.240 Pranav Narahari: a big bulk of them were… the SQL command that was being generated was not giving enough context to Andy to then provide the right output in the…
260 00:35:12.510 ⇒ 00:35:15.090 Pranav Narahari: In the… the chat interface.
261 00:35:16.480 ⇒ 00:35:17.280 Pranav Narahari: So…
262 00:35:17.280 ⇒ 00:35:17.900 Uttam Kumaran: Okay.
263 00:35:19.240 ⇒ 00:35:21.739 Pranav Narahari: Now, that was happening for various reasons.
264 00:35:22.040 ⇒ 00:35:27.939 Pranav Narahari: one of the reasons is because there’s duplicates, right? So then there was… Basically, the same…
265 00:35:28.120 ⇒ 00:35:33.969 Pranav Narahari: person that would be doing certain services is being defined twice, and the only difference in the.
266 00:35:33.970 ⇒ 00:35:35.740 Uttam Kumaran: But why do the duplicates enter?
267 00:35:37.330 ⇒ 00:35:49.419 Pranav Narahari: Yeah, because the automation that we built that pulls in the data from the Google Sheet into the vector database, or sorry, into the zip code database, was just incorrect.
268 00:35:49.860 ⇒ 00:35:51.400 Uttam Kumaran: Okay, okay. Right.
269 00:35:51.400 ⇒ 00:35:54.900 Pranav Narahari: We just created duplicates. The duplicates are…
270 00:35:55.180 ⇒ 00:36:11.020 Pranav Narahari: they’re not just like, okay, you delete one of them. I guess the better way to say it is that they’re just rows that could be consolidated. Like, there’s one row that says, oh, availability’s on Tuesday, another row that says availability on Thursday. What it should be is just one row that says availability is Tuesday and Thursday.
271 00:36:11.490 ⇒ 00:36:12.100 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah.
272 00:36:12.730 ⇒ 00:36:15.639 Pranav Narahari: So, that’s, like, one example.
273 00:36:15.880 ⇒ 00:36:30.000 Pranav Narahari: Another thing is that templates, which is a central dock issue, was they’re not being retrieved properly. What we found out was that there was this, like, deprecated agent that was being…
274 00:36:30.100 ⇒ 00:36:41.649 Pranav Narahari: that was being assigned a task, like the verbatim agent. This is not something that we’ve been supporting, like, it was just kind of existing in the backend, and then when it gets, triggered.
275 00:36:42.560 ⇒ 00:36:52.339 Pranav Narahari: it just doesn’t give the right output. Yeah. So that was… that was just like, okay, we found that out, we… we just kind of disabled that agent, so now nothing gets…
276 00:36:52.480 ⇒ 00:36:55.310 Pranav Narahari: Nothing gets assigned to that agent anymore.
277 00:36:55.510 ⇒ 00:36:57.689 Pranav Narahari: And then that fixed that issue.
278 00:36:58.750 ⇒ 00:37:03.790 Pranav Narahari: Let’s see, what else is here?
279 00:37:06.450 ⇒ 00:37:12.079 Pranav Narahari: Let me just read my message that I just sent, because… I summarize everything there.
280 00:37:13.670 ⇒ 00:37:18.660 Pranav Narahari: Also for, like, the… the database…
281 00:37:19.150 ⇒ 00:37:25.770 Pranav Narahari: like, the SQL command that we’re generating to pull the information from the zip codes DB is… just…
282 00:37:25.970 ⇒ 00:37:27.280 Pranav Narahari: was not…
283 00:37:27.770 ⇒ 00:37:38.450 Pranav Narahari: was not generating in the right way, because we’re not giving enough context for the database schema to Andy. All we did was copy and paste the database schema into the system prompt.
284 00:37:38.860 ⇒ 00:37:44.359 Pranav Narahari: Yeah. So… Basically, like, if the field name isn’t descript enough, then…
285 00:37:44.650 ⇒ 00:37:46.900 Pranav Narahari: you know, the AI’s not gonna know to…
286 00:37:48.130 ⇒ 00:37:51.640 Uttam Kumaran: Can we have all the logs on what questions have been asked?
287 00:37:51.840 ⇒ 00:37:52.810 Pranav Narahari: Yeah, we do.
288 00:37:53.050 ⇒ 00:37:55.950 Uttam Kumaran: Okay, and this is all running… okay, okay.
289 00:37:56.310 ⇒ 00:38:00.470 Uttam Kumaran: And, like, where is the… and the agents are all being hosted on Maastra Cloud?
290 00:38:01.470 ⇒ 00:38:01.980 Uttam Kumaran: Or it’s.
291 00:38:01.980 ⇒ 00:38:02.510 Pranav Narahari: I dare you.
292 00:38:02.510 ⇒ 00:38:03.380 Uttam Kumaran: UCP.
293 00:38:03.380 ⇒ 00:38:04.700 Pranav Narahari: It’s in their GCP, yeah.
294 00:38:04.700 ⇒ 00:38:05.679 Uttam Kumaran: Okay, okay.
295 00:38:06.020 ⇒ 00:38:06.380 Pranav Narahari: Yeah.
296 00:38:06.380 ⇒ 00:38:08.700 Uttam Kumaran: Okay, great. Okay, dude, that’s like a…
297 00:38:09.910 ⇒ 00:38:17.770 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, I’m gonna cry, like, dude, you know how much talk Text to SQL were doing, like, across the board? Like, this is such an easy thing to fix.
298 00:38:17.770 ⇒ 00:38:22.800 Pranav Narahari: Yeah, like, I was… I was… It’s kind of like…
299 00:38:23.150 ⇒ 00:38:30.189 Uttam Kumaran: Well, it’s just a shitty implementation, and they didn’t stay any… like, they… why not just say, like, yo, we don’t know what we’re doing?
300 00:38:30.530 ⇒ 00:38:31.340 Pranav Narahari: Yeah.
301 00:38:31.630 ⇒ 00:38:39.400 Uttam Kumaran: Instead, they’re like, Casey is big trying to, like, learn how to be a data engineer, he should just ask.
302 00:38:40.060 ⇒ 00:38:44.170 Uttam Kumaran: You know, that’s why it’s so frustrating, because, like, this database thing…
303 00:38:44.380 ⇒ 00:38:48.290 Uttam Kumaran: Every step of the way has failed, and none of the folks
304 00:38:48.970 ⇒ 00:38:52.860 Uttam Kumaran: have been able to get the courage to just raise their hand and say, I don’t know.
305 00:38:53.370 ⇒ 00:39:00.570 Uttam Kumaran: And, like, that’s gonna be the feedback that I deliver after fixing this, is, like, this solution.
306 00:39:00.780 ⇒ 00:39:06.820 Uttam Kumaran: socks, and it’s been broken, and you didn’t raise your hand, you just kept band-aiding it.
307 00:39:06.960 ⇒ 00:39:12.330 Uttam Kumaran: And… we’re gonna lose… we’re gonna lose client if this happens, so…
308 00:39:12.670 ⇒ 00:39:13.140 Pranav Narahari: Yeah.
309 00:39:13.140 ⇒ 00:39:22.989 Uttam Kumaran: Okay, so, like, yeah, I feel like, okay, I’m able… I’m gonna… I can work through those things for you. I’m also gonna work through the regression testing, and the CI,
310 00:39:23.140 ⇒ 00:39:24.980 Uttam Kumaran: And some more of that today.
311 00:39:25.160 ⇒ 00:39:42.469 Pranav Narahari: That’s the main thing. So, Casey’s already updating the system prompt to now, like, at the very least, this is just, like, the solution that I came up with, and then Sam just kind of co-signed it, was that, okay, for the DB schema, like, let’s have a…
312 00:39:43.080 ⇒ 00:39:46.819 Pranav Narahari: Let’s have a description of each table, as well as each field.
313 00:39:47.050 ⇒ 00:39:54.009 Pranav Narahari: At the very least, right? So the AI can have more context about, okay, what information exists in each… each cell of a table.
314 00:39:56.060 ⇒ 00:39:56.580 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah.
315 00:39:56.760 ⇒ 00:40:03.029 Pranav Narahari: So, Casey’s working… maybe he gave an update, I wasn’t able to read it in the chat just now.
316 00:40:03.160 ⇒ 00:40:04.320 Pranav Narahari: Okay.
317 00:40:04.480 ⇒ 00:40:08.889 Pranav Narahari: Let’s see, for these tickets specifically, issue DBRetrieval query formulation…
318 00:40:10.880 ⇒ 00:40:14.140 Pranav Narahari: Okay. Yeah, he, it looks like he fixed it.
319 00:40:15.300 ⇒ 00:40:16.340 Pranav Narahari: So, if you want…
320 00:40:16.340 ⇒ 00:40:20.619 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, I can, I can… Yeah, I can take these. So, for these tickets.
321 00:40:21.150 ⇒ 00:40:26.409 Uttam Kumaran: blah blah blah blah… I think the service name is a lot of slow drift, how is DB actually shaped?
322 00:40:27.230 ⇒ 00:40:31.270 Uttam Kumaran: Column descriptions and contacts. Yeah, duh. Select.
323 00:40:32.700 ⇒ 00:40:37.639 Uttam Kumaran: Duh, okay, alright, yeah, I can… Okay, so…
324 00:40:37.940 ⇒ 00:40:41.670 Uttam Kumaran: We’re, like, officially, like, the thing today was, like, is, like, good.
325 00:40:42.560 ⇒ 00:40:43.670 Pranav Narahari: Yeah, yeah, I gave.
326 00:40:43.670 ⇒ 00:40:44.160 Uttam Kumaran: Okay, okay.
327 00:40:44.160 ⇒ 00:40:54.829 Pranav Narahari: an update on everything. She hasn’t responded yet, but she already kind of responded to me, like, on my end, saying, like, yeah, thanks for kind of looking into all these. Yeah.
328 00:40:55.370 ⇒ 00:41:02.960 Pranav Narahari: And then I have a call with her tomorrow morning to kind of just… I’ll just briefly bring it up, see if you read all my messages in the Slack, but…
329 00:41:03.290 ⇒ 00:41:04.179 Pranav Narahari: Okay. Yeah.
330 00:41:08.090 ⇒ 00:41:08.890 Pranav Narahari: Yeah.
331 00:41:12.730 ⇒ 00:41:18.690 Pranav Narahari: But I’m just feeling like… I probably shouldn’t have been as…
332 00:41:19.450 ⇒ 00:41:25.839 Pranav Narahari: Because I’m just thinking, like, a 3-hour call with all 4 of us, like, that’s so expensive, and it shouldn’t have happened.
333 00:41:25.840 ⇒ 00:41:30.310 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, when you said that, I was like, that’s, like, an extensive call.
334 00:41:30.940 ⇒ 00:41:32.009 Uttam Kumaran: I also…
335 00:41:32.010 ⇒ 00:41:37.530 Pranav Narahari: I needed to be there. Like, if I wasn’t there, I don’t think things would have gotten.
336 00:41:37.530 ⇒ 00:41:38.190 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah.
337 00:41:38.190 ⇒ 00:41:39.130 Pranav Narahari: completed.
338 00:41:39.310 ⇒ 00:41:39.940 Uttam Kumaran: Okay.
339 00:41:41.130 ⇒ 00:41:43.359 Pranav Narahari: But I don’t think I should be there, right? Like…
340 00:41:43.360 ⇒ 00:41:45.619 Uttam Kumaran: No, no, no, no. I,
341 00:41:46.060 ⇒ 00:41:51.409 Uttam Kumaran: Okay, I mean, let me fix this today. I, like, I have some thoughts broadly, but…
342 00:41:51.510 ⇒ 00:42:00.680 Uttam Kumaran: Let me work on this, make some changes… And…
343 00:42:03.460 ⇒ 00:42:11.890 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, let me work on this and make some changes and make this a little bit more robust for you to be able to test. You guys have a staging agent, by the way?
344 00:42:13.040 ⇒ 00:42:15.050 Pranav Narahari: Yeah, there is a staging agent.
345 00:42:15.420 ⇒ 00:42:16.030 Uttam Kumaran: Okay.
346 00:42:18.330 ⇒ 00:42:20.459 Uttam Kumaran: Okay, cool. Let me.
347 00:42:22.680 ⇒ 00:42:25.860 Pranav Narahari: There’s a dev agent. It’s probably gonna be under dev.
348 00:42:26.110 ⇒ 00:42:27.479 Pranav Narahari: Not staging out.
349 00:42:27.880 ⇒ 00:42:28.750 Uttam Kumaran: Okay, okay.
350 00:42:39.690 ⇒ 00:42:43.980 Uttam Kumaran: Okay, tell me about, Eden stuff, so I can take that, that’s fine.
351 00:42:44.910 ⇒ 00:42:58.369 Pranav Narahari: Yeah, so… eating stuff… Yesterday morning, kind of had a discussion with, what was that? Yeah.
352 00:42:58.630 ⇒ 00:43:13.399 Pranav Narahari: Okay, yeah, this morning, kind of, outlined, like, all the to-do items that I felt like we needed to do by Friday, as well as just kind of getting this project back on track, like, so we’re all aligned on the technical approach, and so…
353 00:43:14.210 ⇒ 00:43:15.630 Pranav Narahari: Where’s this message?
354 00:43:15.930 ⇒ 00:43:21.430 Pranav Narahari: there’s basically just kind of, like, a to-do list that I put out, mostly, I think, just for Sam.
355 00:43:21.560 ⇒ 00:43:27.739 Pranav Narahari: And then that’s the one that you responded in to get, like, an update, and then Sam gave an update, I haven’t read it yet, because I was in the call.
356 00:43:29.410 ⇒ 00:43:29.920 Uttam Kumaran: Okay.
357 00:43:30.320 ⇒ 00:43:36.280 Pranav Narahari: Yeah, so two POCs, basically, for…
358 00:43:36.380 ⇒ 00:43:56.090 Pranav Narahari: And the idea here is that for the most, like, critical part, and the most technically complex part, which I defined here as, being able to effectively answer Danny’s questions, using GWS CLI plus Slack MCP, and then also generating a report
359 00:43:56.250 ⇒ 00:44:14.680 Pranav Narahari: based on… for Eden’s bottlenecks. I just kind of want to do a POC, it can all be, like, in the terminal, doesn’t need to be integrated in the UI, doesn’t even need to be deployed, all that stuff. We know how to do, we’ve done so many times. I just want to know that this type of output is possible. So, those two things I put on to-do for Sam.
360 00:44:14.770 ⇒ 00:44:31.169 Pranav Narahari: And then based on that, we would review and revise the technical approach based on, like, what he found there. Was his technical approach, like, feasible? If not, then, you know, yeah, we revise it. And then lastly, like, just ticket out everything, because now we have everything figured out, we’re…
361 00:44:31.180 ⇒ 00:44:38.769 Pranav Narahari: fully… we fully, like, understand and are on board with the technical approach. At that point, I think it makes sense to just ticket things out.
362 00:44:38.870 ⇒ 00:44:45.170 Pranav Narahari: Yeah, so, I mean, on these things…
363 00:44:45.480 ⇒ 00:44:51.300 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, so on this one, like, I don’t… I’m just gonna tell you, like, I don’t care about more approaches.
364 00:44:51.430 ⇒ 00:44:54.670 Uttam Kumaran: like, I was pretty clear on Monday that, like.
365 00:44:55.030 ⇒ 00:44:58.330 Uttam Kumaran: I would like us to get the POC today.
366 00:44:58.620 ⇒ 00:44:59.180 Pranav Narahari: Yeah.
367 00:44:59.180 ⇒ 00:45:12.919 Uttam Kumaran: And I’m telling you, like, I’m doing, like, a hundred things myself right now. This is such… this is a pretty simple thing to just do, so… I’m also gonna just try and do this. I’m not interested in more plans at all.
368 00:45:13.070 ⇒ 00:45:13.460 Pranav Narahari: Yeah.
369 00:45:13.460 ⇒ 00:45:16.150 Uttam Kumaran: Like, I’m just so uninterested in plans.
370 00:45:16.280 ⇒ 00:45:18.309 Uttam Kumaran: So, I want to show you…
371 00:45:18.620 ⇒ 00:45:22.439 Uttam Kumaran: I’m gonna sh- I’m gonna try to get a demo of something working.
372 00:45:22.600 ⇒ 00:45:23.100 Pranav Narahari: Yeah.
373 00:45:23.100 ⇒ 00:45:35.839 Uttam Kumaran: I’m not interested in more meetings, more plans. I’m only interested in things getting out that you can touch and feel and put in front of clients. Right. So, like, moratorium on plans.
374 00:45:36.210 ⇒ 00:45:41.719 Uttam Kumaran: This is, like, a simple… it’s so clear what the project is, and, like, to get another…
375 00:45:41.860 ⇒ 00:45:48.979 Uttam Kumaran: plan on tickets is, like, not interesting to me. So, I’m gonna take some of the tickets, some of what you’ve told me.
376 00:45:49.280 ⇒ 00:45:52.670 Uttam Kumaran: And I’m just gonna see how much I can get out for you.
377 00:45:52.830 ⇒ 00:45:57.770 Uttam Kumaran: Whether I host it on our railway or, like, run it locally.
378 00:45:57.950 ⇒ 00:46:07.530 Uttam Kumaran: I’m gonna just see, but you’ve given… you… we have the credentials for the Eden AI app, and we also have the JSON, so I think I have enough to work on our…
379 00:46:07.760 ⇒ 00:46:12.840 Uttam Kumaran: Is Mustafa… are they working on anything? Are they taking on anything right now?
380 00:46:13.130 ⇒ 00:46:19.630 Pranav Narahari: They are, yeah. So I saw Mustafa got assigned the 3 tickets, and I think it’s 3 ones that I outlined in my message, so…
381 00:46:19.630 ⇒ 00:46:20.260 Uttam Kumaran: Okay, okay.
382 00:46:20.260 ⇒ 00:46:30.140 Pranav Narahari: instances, connecting the new UI that I created, to, like, the existing Masher agents, and then enabling memory, so…
383 00:46:30.140 ⇒ 00:46:30.670 Uttam Kumaran: Okay.
384 00:46:30.670 ⇒ 00:46:31.780 Pranav Narahari: Those three things, yeah.
385 00:46:32.540 ⇒ 00:46:33.100 Uttam Kumaran: Okay.
386 00:46:36.470 ⇒ 00:46:42.920 Uttam Kumaran: Okay, so let me, yeah, let me see what damage I can do. I may work on the Eden thing first.
387 00:46:44.230 ⇒ 00:46:49.370 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, I may work on the Eden thing first, and see what I can get stood up.
388 00:46:49.710 ⇒ 00:46:51.160 Uttam Kumaran: Okay.
389 00:46:52.980 ⇒ 00:47:00.980 Uttam Kumaran: And then… I’ll just see, like, how I can make any progress on the tickets that are outlined, and then I’ll also start working on,
390 00:47:01.350 ⇒ 00:47:04.579 Uttam Kumaran: I’ll start working on the, Andy stuff.
391 00:47:04.960 ⇒ 00:47:07.360 Uttam Kumaran: Just on, like, creating the…
392 00:47:07.890 ⇒ 00:47:14.890 Uttam Kumaran: Being able to prove that, like, the common database questions are being answered, like, we have, like, clear evals.
393 00:47:15.020 ⇒ 00:47:20.970 Uttam Kumaran: And, like, I’ll fix some of the Texas SQL sort of, like, Issues with, like.
394 00:47:21.380 ⇒ 00:47:25.580 Uttam Kumaran: The table names and stuff like that, so let me just try to do that.
395 00:47:25.820 ⇒ 00:47:31.830 Uttam Kumaran: And try to start working on some, like, more proactive alerting for when things are failing.
396 00:47:32.030 ⇒ 00:47:36.770 Uttam Kumaran: It’s just something that I… I don’t think we’re gonna be able to survive with… with that… without that, so…
397 00:47:37.170 ⇒ 00:47:47.330 Uttam Kumaran: So let me just try to do that. And then, yeah, for this week, like, I’m just gonna, like, I’m just, like, kind of perma-escalation right now mode, so I don’t want, like.
398 00:47:48.030 ⇒ 00:47:53.299 Uttam Kumaran: we’re gonna lose… we’re gonna lose this client like Lilo. I can see it. It’s, like, happening.
399 00:47:53.440 ⇒ 00:48:04.079 Uttam Kumaran: I know it’s like… it seems like it’s getting better, but it’s not looking like it’s getting better from my view. So, I want you to just keep doing your job, and I’m gonna take over
400 00:48:04.220 ⇒ 00:48:09.460 Uttam Kumaran: On the, like, the technical side a bit, and just, like, make sure that you get these things you need.
401 00:48:09.920 ⇒ 00:48:10.270 Pranav Narahari: Okay.
402 00:48:10.270 ⇒ 00:48:12.669 Uttam Kumaran: I don’t think anybody on the AI team is, like.
403 00:48:13.030 ⇒ 00:48:16.210 Uttam Kumaran: Doing any… doing anything relevant right now on these.
404 00:48:16.390 ⇒ 00:48:21.379 Uttam Kumaran: So, I don’t know what’s gonna happen. I don’t… after this week, like, let’s just try to make it to the weekend.
405 00:48:21.530 ⇒ 00:48:27.620 Uttam Kumaran: And then… I’ll see, like, you know, how I can continue to support, or, like, what’s gonna change.
406 00:48:27.850 ⇒ 00:48:28.750 Pranav Narahari: Okay.
407 00:48:28.820 ⇒ 00:48:34.859 Uttam Kumaran: But I just want you to be in market, like, being able to demo these things and getting these things out, and I think you’re being…
408 00:48:35.070 ⇒ 00:48:39.009 Uttam Kumaran: Like, you’re being, like, held back right now, which is, like, frustrating, so…
409 00:48:39.890 ⇒ 00:48:41.330 Pranav Narahari: Yeah, I just…
410 00:48:43.160 ⇒ 00:48:56.609 Uttam Kumaran: And it’s so tough, too, because I’m literally doing all these things that you’re doing. Here, I’m doing it on my own, so I’m just gonna… I’m just gonna try to help you, and then I’ll direct that team in how to be helpful, and I’ll hold them accountable.
411 00:48:57.700 ⇒ 00:49:05.779 Uttam Kumaran: just, like, more time from my side, like, I just don’t have the most time, but I’ll sort of figure it out for the next, like, week or two, just so, like, you’re in a good spot,
412 00:49:06.440 ⇒ 00:49:14.429 Uttam Kumaran: And then I’ll… once… if I start to figure it out, I’ll kind of show you how to maybe speed up doing it, but I want you to really focus on the CSO stuff, you know, a lot, so… Yeah.
413 00:49:14.640 ⇒ 00:49:18.020 Pranav Narahari: Yeah, cause… Yeah, I mean…
414 00:49:19.400 ⇒ 00:49:24.630 Pranav Narahari: That’s one thing I was thinking about, too, like, I was talking to Bea about, like, this whole thing, and…
415 00:49:25.450 ⇒ 00:49:28.519 Pranav Narahari: the whole thing with, like, being a CSO is to try to…
416 00:49:28.630 ⇒ 00:49:38.860 Pranav Narahari: I feel like what I’m doing is, like, always on the back foot, at least for the last two weeks, so I’m just spending all my time on just delivering the current project stuff, and I can’t, like, even…
417 00:49:39.390 ⇒ 00:49:44.490 Pranav Narahari: Spend a ton of time, like, really scoping out a project plan for, like, next quarter, like…
418 00:49:45.320 ⇒ 00:49:46.250 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
419 00:49:46.610 ⇒ 00:49:51.410 Pranav Narahari: So… Yeah, but I think… With time, too, like…
420 00:49:51.650 ⇒ 00:49:56.790 Pranav Narahari: I can obviously step in on, like, some of the SL stuff, like, you can let me know, like.
421 00:49:57.170 ⇒ 00:50:06.630 Uttam Kumaran: No, I’ll tell you. I’m just gonna do… I’m gonna do the job, and then I’m gonna figure out, like, after this… after Friday, like, how things are gonna change a bit.
422 00:50:06.800 ⇒ 00:50:15.160 Uttam Kumaran: Because, like, this is the premier service, this is gonna become bigger than data as a service, and, like, I…
423 00:50:15.440 ⇒ 00:50:23.139 Uttam Kumaran: I was hopeful that, like, okay, it can run, I’m gonna continue to work on platform, and I’ll start to feed this team on how to move, but, like.
424 00:50:23.320 ⇒ 00:50:26.740 Uttam Kumaran: Not only is this team not pushing, like.
425 00:50:26.960 ⇒ 00:50:35.099 Uttam Kumaran: not use… like, I’m the one instructing, like, this team how to use AI better, which is, like, an oxymoron. I’m also…
426 00:50:35.370 ⇒ 00:50:37.410 Uttam Kumaran: I’m also, like…
427 00:50:37.890 ⇒ 00:50:48.130 Uttam Kumaran: the work output is, like, not great. Like, it’s not your fault, it’s just like, dude, this is the team that should be so AI-enabled, and the work should be coming out like hotcakes.
428 00:50:48.340 ⇒ 00:50:51.249 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah. You know, and it’s not, and we’re…
429 00:50:51.360 ⇒ 00:50:55.030 Uttam Kumaran: And I can tell where… I see where the gap is, so…
430 00:50:55.180 ⇒ 00:51:05.080 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, let me just, like, try to work on some stuff today and tomorrow morning, on this, and then I would just don’t take any meetings in terms of, like.
431 00:51:05.280 ⇒ 00:51:10.779 Uttam Kumaran: like… I don’t know if you already have team meetings booked, just loop me into any of those, or…
432 00:51:10.910 ⇒ 00:51:14.439 Uttam Kumaran: I would like to either move as many of those to async as possible.
433 00:51:14.560 ⇒ 00:51:16.870 Uttam Kumaran: I’m gonna try to call Mustafa…
434 00:51:17.190 ⇒ 00:51:21.520 Uttam Kumaran: Today, he’s gonna be out for a bit longer, so I’ll call him, and I’ll get aligned with him.
435 00:51:21.640 ⇒ 00:51:28.259 Uttam Kumaran: And I’ll see what I can hand… if I can hand him a lot of the Eden AI stuff, I’ll go work on the, ABC stuff, so…
436 00:51:28.740 ⇒ 00:51:31.210 Pranav Narahari: Okay, cool. Yeah.
437 00:51:31.990 ⇒ 00:51:45.699 Pranav Narahari: Okay, sounds good. For… in terms of, like, things that I… I’ve already kind of started saying, like, a tentative no to, like, a lot of, like, the calls that I felt like, okay, this should be, like, SL with, like, ICs.
438 00:51:45.900 ⇒ 00:51:48.070 Uttam Kumaran: Well, like, I don’t know what they’re… what… I think…
439 00:51:48.250 ⇒ 00:51:50.549 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, I mean, I don’t care if they’re meeting.
440 00:51:51.370 ⇒ 00:51:58.970 Uttam Kumaran: But, like, I don’t know what they’re meeting about, so I’m gonna… I’m just gonna intrude myself into that. Like, I just don’t know, like… the tickets are there.
441 00:51:58.970 ⇒ 00:51:59.380 Pranav Narahari: Yeah.
442 00:51:59.380 ⇒ 00:52:09.090 Uttam Kumaran: I’m just gonna be like, the tickets are there, get the tickets done, escalate to me when things are blocked. Both of these are, like, clients I’m just gonna have to watch, like, very closely.
443 00:52:09.340 ⇒ 00:52:19.600 Uttam Kumaran: So, I’m… I wouldn’t have stand-ups or anything, or if you do a stand-up, like, it’s gonna be… I wanna be there, and it should be, like, 15 minutes. So, I think, like.
444 00:52:20.000 ⇒ 00:52:25.169 Uttam Kumaran: you let me know if you’re… if you’re already gonna… if you’re gonna do stand-ups, I wanna be looped in.
445 00:52:25.340 ⇒ 00:52:30.630 Uttam Kumaran: Otherwise, we’re gonna just be on Slack, and I’ll just be a lot more vocal over the next few days, and then kind of figure it out on Monday.
446 00:52:31.250 ⇒ 00:52:50.119 Pranav Narahari: Gotcha. So… yeah, yeah, I mean, we have, like… Sam has set up, like, a… like, he sets up, like, a one-hour, like, office hours that’s just, like, tentative for everybody. If we need it, we go in. I just kind of don’t join unless, like, I need to join, because I just need to kind of, like, take over, like…
447 00:52:50.420 ⇒ 00:52:59.439 Pranav Narahari: certain things, like, okay, there’s something that we need to deliver today, like, what’s the status? Like, things are delayed, I needed to kind of provide more direction, so… There’s one on Friday,
448 00:53:00.730 ⇒ 00:53:10.320 Pranav Narahari: they also get to schedule ad hoc, right? Like, today, like, say if there was, like, another call, like, today, like a 3-hour call tomorrow, like, that shouldn’t be for me to go to. You’re saying, like, kind of loop you into that.
449 00:53:11.140 ⇒ 00:53:16.180 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, I’m just saying, like, development work on these two projects are not gonna continue without me involved.
450 00:53:16.320 ⇒ 00:53:16.800 Pranav Narahari: Okay.
451 00:53:16.800 ⇒ 00:53:20.159 Uttam Kumaran: So… Come tomorrow, I will understand.
452 00:53:20.370 ⇒ 00:53:25.149 Uttam Kumaran: the roadmaps, and then I will be directing what happens the rest of the week.
453 00:53:25.320 ⇒ 00:53:29.640 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah. And so… People are free to meet, but…
454 00:53:30.040 ⇒ 00:53:34.380 Uttam Kumaran: I don’t know what you’re meeting about, because it should be clear from my sides. Right. Yeah.
455 00:53:34.380 ⇒ 00:53:35.849 Pranav Narahari: Right. Okay.
456 00:53:36.130 ⇒ 00:53:39.140 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah. Yeah. Okay, alright, let me get back to you then, yeah.
457 00:53:39.280 ⇒ 00:53:46.480 Pranav Narahari: Okay, yeah, and then in the next, like, couple days as we do this, like, let me know where if I’m, like, dropping the ball somewhere, too.
458 00:53:46.480 ⇒ 00:53:47.270 Uttam Kumaran: Okay, okay.
459 00:53:47.270 ⇒ 00:53:48.920 Pranav Narahari: Yeah, okay.
460 00:53:49.220 ⇒ 00:53:50.830 Uttam Kumaran: Cool. Okay, thank you, dude.
461 00:53:51.010 ⇒ 00:53:51.879 Pranav Narahari: Thanks, man. See ya.
462 00:53:51.880 ⇒ 00:53:52.500 Uttam Kumaran: Okay, bye.