Meeting Title: Demilade - Brylle - L&D Check-In Date: 2026-04-10 Meeting participants: Brylle Girang, Demilade Agboola
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1 00:02:36.690 ⇒ 00:02:37.700 Demilade Agboola: Alright, bro.
2 00:02:40.230 ⇒ 00:02:42.410 Brylle Girang: Hello, Demi! How are you doing?
3 00:02:43.010 ⇒ 00:02:44.309 Demilade Agboola: I’m doing very well, how are you?
4 00:02:44.730 ⇒ 00:02:48.220 Brylle Girang: Good, good! Happy Friday! Excited for the weekend.
5 00:02:49.400 ⇒ 00:02:50.760 Brylle Girang: Do you have plans?
6 00:02:52.400 ⇒ 00:02:57.170 Demilade Agboola: I think… majorly just tennis. I have a tennis match on Sunday.
7 00:02:57.560 ⇒ 00:02:58.410 Brylle Girang: Oh, wow.
8 00:02:58.410 ⇒ 00:03:02.410 Demilade Agboola: That’s the bit, but beyond that, not… nothing too crazy. What about you?
9 00:03:02.410 ⇒ 00:03:10.889 Brylle Girang: Good. We’re… we’re gonna go swimming over, over Sunday, so it’s, it’s really, really hot here in the pH right now.
10 00:03:11.140 ⇒ 00:03:14.699 Brylle Girang: It is actually, like, temp… what’s the temperature?
11 00:03:17.560 ⇒ 00:03:18.940 Demilade Agboola: Is you about 30 degrees?
12 00:03:19.180 ⇒ 00:03:21.069 Brylle Girang: Yeah, I’m actually checking it.
13 00:03:21.450 ⇒ 00:03:26.870 Brylle Girang: it goes up to 32 degrees Celsius.
14 00:03:27.010 ⇒ 00:03:28.590 Brylle Girang: during the morning.
15 00:03:28.720 ⇒ 00:03:38.470 Brylle Girang: And that is… oh my gosh. And it’s… it’s… it’s not humid in here. I… actually, it’s humid in here, so it’s… it’s really, really warm to the skin, to the touch.
16 00:03:38.680 ⇒ 00:03:44.500 Brylle Girang: Your tennis match, is that, like, casual, or is that, in a professional or tournament setting?
17 00:03:44.970 ⇒ 00:03:53.559 Demilade Agboola: It’s a tournament setting, but I won’t say prof… I won’t say professional. Professional is a bit of… is a bit of a stretch. I’m not getting paid off of it, but it’s.
18 00:03:53.560 ⇒ 00:03:54.420 Brylle Girang: Okay.
19 00:03:54.650 ⇒ 00:03:57.579 Brylle Girang: But is that the goal? Is that your goal?
20 00:03:58.250 ⇒ 00:04:01.739 Demilade Agboola: To get a professional, I think it’s too late for me to go professional.
21 00:04:02.070 ⇒ 00:04:07.490 Demilade Agboola: But I am… I started playing tennis last year, in July of last year.
22 00:04:07.960 ⇒ 00:04:13.340 Demilade Agboola: I mean, I’m pretty decent for 9 months. People are like, wow, I can’t believe you started 9 months ago.
23 00:04:13.690 ⇒ 00:04:14.750 Demilade Agboola: But…
24 00:04:15.060 ⇒ 00:04:23.210 Demilade Agboola: I mean, to go professional, people… you have to dedicate your life to it from, like, when you’re, like, 6 or something, you have to dedicate your life to go professional, so it’s… it’s too late for me.
25 00:04:23.410 ⇒ 00:04:23.930 Brylle Girang: Okay.
26 00:04:23.930 ⇒ 00:04:27.380 Demilade Agboola: But it is fun, I do enjoy it, and…
27 00:04:27.760 ⇒ 00:04:32.540 Demilade Agboola: I do sign up for tournaments. I’ve won some, I’ve lost a lot.
28 00:04:32.770 ⇒ 00:04:35.230 Demilade Agboola: But it’s all about, like, learning and getting…
29 00:04:35.230 ⇒ 00:04:36.090 Brylle Girang: fun.
30 00:04:36.090 ⇒ 00:04:37.450 Demilade Agboola: Every single day, exactly.
31 00:04:37.950 ⇒ 00:04:41.290 Brylle Girang: It’s all about the fun. That’s amazing, that’s amazing.
32 00:04:42.160 ⇒ 00:04:58.150 Brylle Girang: It’s good to hear. Yeah, so this call is about, just my initiative with learning and development, and one thing that I want to make sure before we go all out with the modules and with the courses, is I want to make sure that I understand, like, where everyone is at when it comes to understanding.
33 00:04:58.150 ⇒ 00:05:03.179 Brylle Girang: the systems, the processes, our tools here in BrainForge.
34 00:05:03.200 ⇒ 00:05:04.430 Brylle Girang: Does that sound good?
35 00:05:04.950 ⇒ 00:05:06.550 Demilade Agboola: Yeah, sure.
36 00:05:06.550 ⇒ 00:05:19.299 Brylle Girang: Yeah, I think I have seen you, like, work with Cursor, but I wanted to get, like, your actual opinion on how comfortable do you feel with using Cursor, with using our platform, with the Volt?
37 00:05:20.990 ⇒ 00:05:26.370 Demilade Agboola: I think it’s very helpful, it speeds up the process, I think.
38 00:05:26.730 ⇒ 00:05:28.289 Demilade Agboola: In terms of…
39 00:05:30.830 ⇒ 00:05:35.189 Demilade Agboola: part of the reasons why I’m actually really excited for us to hire someone, and when I can, like.
40 00:05:35.940 ⇒ 00:05:53.039 Demilade Agboola: do less of, like, day-to-day coding for different clients. I actually want to be able to contribute to more cursor skills. I feel like some of the skills are good. I feel like sometimes they might be a bit too all over the place. I might need to, like, fine-tune it. Let it be more precise.
41 00:05:53.250 ⇒ 00:05:54.839 Demilade Agboola: Okay. Instead of paying, like.
42 00:05:55.000 ⇒ 00:06:00.710 Demilade Agboola: Putting a thousand words together, put 200, 300 words, but those words are very, like…
43 00:06:00.870 ⇒ 00:06:03.520 Demilade Agboola: Impactful, and speak more to the business.
44 00:06:03.740 ⇒ 00:06:07.210 Demilade Agboola: Impact of what we’re doing than just having a lot of words in there.
45 00:06:07.370 ⇒ 00:06:12.980 Demilade Agboola: Okay. And also, in some cases, like, again, I feel like it’s very great, especially if you’re…
46 00:06:13.220 ⇒ 00:06:16.540 Demilade Agboola: There are things you don’t naturally enjoy doing.
47 00:06:17.160 ⇒ 00:06:19.480 Demilade Agboola: Cursor does help you.
48 00:06:20.040 ⇒ 00:06:28.279 Demilade Agboola: Started and gets you about 50, 60, maybe even 70% of the way there, and then you can just finish the remaining, you know, 30, 40% by yourself.
49 00:06:28.620 ⇒ 00:06:33.460 Demilade Agboola: So it is helpful. I do… I do… I do use it quite a bit.
50 00:06:33.610 ⇒ 00:06:33.970 Brylle Girang: Okay.
51 00:06:33.970 ⇒ 00:06:36.410 Demilade Agboola: In terms of, like, writing code sometimes, it can…
52 00:06:36.690 ⇒ 00:06:45.679 Demilade Agboola: It does speed up certain processes, but sometimes if you let it… if you give it too much freedom, it can be very frustrating, because then it does a lot of, like.
53 00:06:46.160 ⇒ 00:06:51.120 Demilade Agboola: weird stuff, and now you have to go and debug that, and… Yeah. I can’t waste your time.
54 00:06:51.270 ⇒ 00:06:52.419 Brylle Girang: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
55 00:06:52.590 ⇒ 00:07:02.630 Brylle Girang: Yeah, I think one of the main problems with, like, AI and these coding agents right now is if you give it a goal, it doesn’t care about the steps that it will take. If you don’t…
56 00:07:02.750 ⇒ 00:07:13.030 Brylle Girang: If you don’t, like, give it, like, sort of a path. So you tell it to, you know, fix the problem, it might delete… it might delete some codes to fix that problem, but that depends.
57 00:07:13.730 ⇒ 00:07:19.399 Demilade Agboola: I think, I think that might also be something we might, you know, just do more of, like, internally.
58 00:07:20.770 ⇒ 00:07:27.419 Demilade Agboola: like, what we consider best practices, and something I might also do, it’s skill of putting in the vault as well.
59 00:07:27.740 ⇒ 00:07:32.540 Demilade Agboola: And, like, what’s the best practices from going from… A problem that we’re debugging.
60 00:07:32.960 ⇒ 00:07:36.520 Demilade Agboola: to using CrossFit to… Solve the problem.
61 00:07:36.850 ⇒ 00:07:38.049 Brylle Girang: Okay, okay, gotcha.
62 00:07:38.730 ⇒ 00:07:45.619 Demilade Agboola: So, like, what are the steps? Do we just say, hey, this is the problem, solve it? How much information do we need to provide?
63 00:07:47.350 ⇒ 00:07:56.600 Demilade Agboola: use plan mode, get the info… like, you can… I will sit down and come up with this thing, but do we need to come up with, like, plan mode first, see what it needs to do? Yeah. If you need to provide more context.
64 00:07:56.750 ⇒ 00:08:02.090 Demilade Agboola: put that more context in there. And then, how do we break it down? Do we just go, hey.
65 00:08:02.500 ⇒ 00:08:07.150 Demilade Agboola: make all these changes, and it changes 20 files, is that too much for it to do at once?
66 00:08:07.250 ⇒ 00:08:12.879 Demilade Agboola: Okay. If not, how do we break it down from, like, instead of doing 20,000 at once, how do we make it only do…
67 00:08:13.030 ⇒ 00:08:14.210 Demilade Agboola: 5 first.
68 00:08:14.520 ⇒ 00:08:15.970 Demilade Agboola: We can inspect that.
69 00:08:16.300 ⇒ 00:08:18.189 Demilade Agboola: Do 5… another 5…
70 00:08:18.300 ⇒ 00:08:25.960 Demilade Agboola: inspect that, do another 5, inspect that, and then do the final 5, and now we have all 20 files. Rather than doing 20 files, which might be hard to review.
71 00:08:25.960 ⇒ 00:08:26.650 Brylle Girang: Yeah.
72 00:08:26.650 ⇒ 00:08:29.159 Demilade Agboola: We run the risk of pushing bad code into production.
73 00:08:29.600 ⇒ 00:08:34.940 Demilade Agboola: I’m not saying this as someone who has had that issue before, where, like.
74 00:08:35.309 ⇒ 00:08:37.819 Demilade Agboola: push code where I missed one line.
75 00:08:38.110 ⇒ 00:08:41.840 Demilade Agboola: But I’ve done, like, 15, 20… like…
76 00:08:42.440 ⇒ 00:08:45.910 Demilade Agboola: files all at once. It was hard to, like, notice one line out of all of that.
77 00:08:46.120 ⇒ 00:08:57.990 Demilade Agboola: And it was when an advance was like, hey, something seems weird with this dashboard that I had to go in and say, okay, yes, this line changed it, and everything was fine. But it’s just, like, that level of, like, detail. How do we ensure that
78 00:08:58.460 ⇒ 00:09:11.489 Demilade Agboola: we maintain that level of detail. So that’s what stuff I’m thinking about. Like I said, once, like, my day-to-day isn’t really about, oh, I need to get this out for this client, or I need to do that for that client, it’ll be easier to think about that and put my thoughts to it.
79 00:09:11.840 ⇒ 00:09:26.850 Brylle Girang: Yeah, yeah, that makes sense. I’m taking notes on this, but that’s going to be, like, a good course material. Like, we have the standards when it comes to delivery. What are our standards when it comes to, like, the technical stuff that we’re doing, technical stuff that we’re building?
80 00:09:27.000 ⇒ 00:09:32.079 Brylle Girang: And I think my main goal, or what I’m thinking about right now, is that
81 00:09:32.180 ⇒ 00:09:49.089 Brylle Girang: these standards should be baked into our platform, and as much as possible, there’s no need to, like, teach it to everyone if it’s… unless it’s super necessary, but what I’m talking about with UTAM is that as much as possible, we need to reduce, like.
82 00:09:49.320 ⇒ 00:10:03.899 Brylle Girang: the need for our people to learn about what they need to do, and bake it into the platform instead. So, instead of us teaching you, like, hey, don’t change 20 things at once, why don’t we build a rule within Cursor where
83 00:10:04.030 ⇒ 00:10:22.350 Brylle Girang: it takes it step by step, like, 5 files, 5 files, 5 files, 5 files, instead of us, like, teaching that directly, but that’s really helpful. You mentioned about the plan mode, so I think you have a good idea of how… what it does, when to use it, but right now, I would say, like.
84 00:10:22.610 ⇒ 00:10:34.349 Brylle Girang: when it comes to, like, the processes, it actually differs from person to person. So, for example, I’m going to use other people as examples. Let’s say Zoran.
85 00:10:34.350 ⇒ 00:10:44.330 Brylle Girang: Zoran doesn’t use, like, AI or cursor to actually push codes or changes, and he uses it more for brainstorming.
86 00:10:44.370 ⇒ 00:10:45.919 Brylle Girang: And that works for him.
87 00:10:46.070 ⇒ 00:10:58.829 Brylle Girang: we have Otam on the other side, where you have seen how many PRs that Otam is pushing, like, 100 PRs per month, and that’s because he gives more freedom to the agent.
88 00:10:59.340 ⇒ 00:11:01.540 Brylle Girang: At the end of the day, I think it just…
89 00:11:01.710 ⇒ 00:11:12.309 Brylle Girang: It just revolves around how comfortable you are with delegating those stuff, and how accountable you are when it comes to, like, fixing those stuff, but…
90 00:11:12.430 ⇒ 00:11:15.370 Brylle Girang: I know where you’re coming from, like, we can…
91 00:11:15.850 ⇒ 00:11:25.949 Brylle Girang: like, do this all based on vibes, and we need to have some sort of standard to make sure that, you know, we don’t fail when it comes to these things. But that’s how.
92 00:11:25.950 ⇒ 00:11:26.600 Demilade Agboola: Yeah, yeah.
93 00:11:26.860 ⇒ 00:11:33.500 Demilade Agboola: Yeah, definitely, like, even… I’m even trying to even speak from my own personal experience, trying to use it to create the standard.
94 00:11:33.800 ⇒ 00:11:35.650 Demilade Agboola: Because of, like, create standards, because.
95 00:11:35.650 ⇒ 00:11:35.990 Brylle Girang: Yeah.
96 00:11:35.990 ⇒ 00:11:44.700 Demilade Agboola: honestly, it’s not even a thing of, like, oh, other people messed up and no, it’s just a thing of, like, I have seen some of the issues I’ve had with some of the code that,
97 00:11:46.850 ⇒ 00:11:48.629 Demilade Agboola: use Korsa to write.
98 00:11:48.930 ⇒ 00:11:49.480 Brylle Girang: Yacht.
99 00:11:49.740 ⇒ 00:11:55.250 Demilade Agboola: I think it’s one of those things where… my dad used to have this thing, it says, more haste, less speed, which is basically…
100 00:11:55.650 ⇒ 00:11:58.869 Demilade Agboola: You need to be faster, but you also need to be…
101 00:11:59.060 ⇒ 00:12:01.880 Demilade Agboola: careful with that speed. You don’t… you don’t want to…
102 00:12:02.160 ⇒ 00:12:03.709 Demilade Agboola: You don’t want to be too fast.
103 00:12:04.380 ⇒ 00:12:05.920 Demilade Agboola: That you are doing.
104 00:12:06.930 ⇒ 00:12:09.610 Demilade Agboola: wrong things. You need to be quick. Yeah.
105 00:12:09.930 ⇒ 00:12:13.299 Demilade Agboola: also, precise in what you’re doing, and I think
106 00:12:13.630 ⇒ 00:12:18.400 Demilade Agboola: That balance is what I would like us to be able to find ways in which we can standardize.
107 00:12:18.630 ⇒ 00:12:24.760 Demilade Agboola: So that we’re fast, yes, we’re turning things out in, you know, an hour or two hours, where normally it takes 5 hours.
108 00:12:25.250 ⇒ 00:12:32.069 Demilade Agboola: But the output is the same as if you had spent 5 hours or 10 hours doing that as well, you know?
109 00:12:32.070 ⇒ 00:12:36.210 Brylle Girang: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, that helps, that helps, and that makes lots of sense.
110 00:12:36.300 ⇒ 00:12:48.859 Brylle Girang: Okay, and I wanted to dive into, like, what your challenges are. I’m going to give an example. I just talked with Zorin earlier, and just to give you, maybe help you think about what I want to get.
111 00:12:48.930 ⇒ 00:12:59.640 Brylle Girang: Zoran has problems when it comes to, like, adapting with the changes that we’re pushing, the features that we’re building within the platform, the PRs that we’re deploying.
112 00:12:59.810 ⇒ 00:13:09.390 Brylle Girang: He has trouble adopting with that, because he doesn’t feel like he’s dedicating enough time on a daily basis to actually learn about what we’re changing.
113 00:13:09.740 ⇒ 00:13:15.730 Brylle Girang: Do you encounter that same problem, or are there other challenges that you’re encountering right now?
114 00:13:17.340 ⇒ 00:13:22.900 Demilade Agboola: I was saying there’s a lot of com- which is why I even asked you to share the slide.
115 00:13:23.130 ⇒ 00:13:25.849 Demilade Agboola: That you presented for today, as well as yesterday.
116 00:13:26.050 ⇒ 00:13:30.260 Demilade Agboola: I think there’s a lot of changes happening, which, I mean, great, that’s good.
117 00:13:30.660 ⇒ 00:13:37.669 Demilade Agboola: I think sometimes… The utility of it isn’t always clear.
118 00:13:37.800 ⇒ 00:13:38.990 Demilade Agboola: Right off the bat.
119 00:13:39.530 ⇒ 00:13:44.740 Demilade Agboola: And so, if there are a number of things that have been released.
120 00:13:44.920 ⇒ 00:13:48.310 Demilade Agboola: And not everything is necessarily things you’re gonna use, like this SL stuff.
121 00:13:48.410 ⇒ 00:13:51.429 Demilade Agboola: I mean, CSOs might not need to, like, look at it.
122 00:13:51.580 ⇒ 00:13:53.080 Demilade Agboola: Or, you know…
123 00:13:53.210 ⇒ 00:13:59.499 Demilade Agboola: like, someone else on the team who is not a CS or SL might not need to use this thing. So, a lot of things are coming out.
124 00:13:59.680 ⇒ 00:14:05.639 Demilade Agboola: I think just being able to have, like, maybe categories of, like.
125 00:14:05.640 ⇒ 00:14:05.970 Brylle Girang: Okay.
126 00:14:05.970 ⇒ 00:14:07.169 Demilade Agboola: the core…
127 00:14:07.530 ⇒ 00:14:17.589 Demilade Agboola: skills, so in terms of, like, every… everybody can use this skill in terms of, like, we believe this will boost your productivity, so, like, a file where we can all say these are the core skills.
128 00:14:17.720 ⇒ 00:14:21.449 Demilade Agboola: These are CS-oriented skills, these are SS-oriented skills.
129 00:14:21.610 ⇒ 00:14:33.490 Demilade Agboola: And, like, these are, like… so that way, it’s easy to keep track, so, like, if I see a core skill, like, this skill I built, which is, like, the daily to-do briefing thing, I think that could be considered a core skill, everyone can use it.
130 00:14:33.920 ⇒ 00:14:34.270 Brylle Girang: Rhima.
131 00:14:34.270 ⇒ 00:14:39.860 Demilade Agboola: So if you’re CSO, SL, marketing, sales, whatever, you can run it, it does it, great.
132 00:14:40.100 ⇒ 00:14:44.350 Demilade Agboola: It’s a skill to find leads.
133 00:14:44.590 ⇒ 00:14:52.289 Demilade Agboola: can be for the marketing team. Okay. They can go there, see all their skills that they need, or, like, all the skills that can be useful for them.
134 00:14:53.310 ⇒ 00:15:04.740 Demilade Agboola: And there might be some skills for, like, the delivery team as well, we can have that there, some skills for the SLs, we can have that there. So that way, it’s much easier to keep track of these things, rather than…
135 00:15:06.410 ⇒ 00:15:11.950 Demilade Agboola: it’s just a bunch of skills that are being there, like, that are being released, I don’t know which is which.
136 00:15:11.950 ⇒ 00:15:12.589 Brylle Girang: Okay, okay.
137 00:15:12.590 ⇒ 00:15:18.779 Demilade Agboola: if I read some stuff, it’s about a skill that I don’t see the utility for myself, so, like, it, in turn.
138 00:15:19.060 ⇒ 00:15:25.560 Demilade Agboola: tunes me out of the new ones that have been released. Like, if you release, like, 3 new skills, or 4 new skills, and none of them
139 00:15:25.770 ⇒ 00:15:27.239 Demilade Agboola: Seemed to matter to me.
140 00:15:27.600 ⇒ 00:15:32.339 Demilade Agboola: You might release a fifth one that might be useful, but my mind isn’t, like, tuned to, like.
141 00:15:32.900 ⇒ 00:15:40.330 Demilade Agboola: So maybe we can, as we’re releasing skills, we can put… there may be tags that we can put, hey, most useful to the core team.
142 00:15:40.610 ⇒ 00:15:57.590 Demilade Agboola: the marketing team, as well as the SL team, for instance. And so it’s top of, like, it’s top of the release, or something, or maybe we can have a document where we have all of that. So that way, everyone can easily find what skills are… things are coming up, and you can see stuff, or this is for the marketing team, or this would be most useful for the marketing team.
143 00:15:57.700 ⇒ 00:16:02.179 Demilade Agboola: You can see and read it and go, okay, so this is for me, you know. Okay.
144 00:16:02.560 ⇒ 00:16:12.530 Brylle Girang: Alright, that’s amazing. I think that’s really juicy. Like, you’re seeing the skills, and then you… it’s not clear, the why is not clear, like.
145 00:16:12.590 ⇒ 00:16:27.240 Brylle Girang: when you see that we ship a skill, it doesn’t immediately click, like, what is this for? Is this going to be helpful for me? And I love, like, the categorization idea, like, when we ship skills, it would be helpful if
146 00:16:27.320 ⇒ 00:16:29.740 Brylle Girang: We emphasize who it’s going to affect.
147 00:16:30.270 ⇒ 00:16:41.079 Brylle Girang: What it will actually do, and maybe some sort of an example, maybe a demo video, hey, here’s how we can use this skill to, like, do something, etc.
148 00:16:41.340 ⇒ 00:16:44.819 Brylle Girang: And I think one important point that you also brought up is that
149 00:16:45.120 ⇒ 00:16:57.080 Brylle Girang: If we continue to shift skills, and then we’re not clear about the previous factors, it might block off your mind into, like, discovering the others, and over time.
150 00:16:57.080 ⇒ 00:17:08.749 Brylle Girang: it might make you, like, a bit desensitized to, like, the other skills that we’re building, because you didn’t see the value of it on the previous launches. Did I get that right?
151 00:17:09.280 ⇒ 00:17:10.109 Demilade Agboola: Yeah, yeah.
152 00:17:10.119 ⇒ 00:17:20.189 Brylle Girang: Okay, that makes sense. I think that’s really helpful. I’m also going to give this feedback to Otam, like, we have… we’re going to have a meeting later, like, the platform…
153 00:17:20.229 ⇒ 00:17:31.969 Brylle Girang: like, the daily updates, where the PRs are being shared, etc. I don’t think that’s useful. I think that’s becoming too much of a noise now, especially if we’re deploying too much PRs.
154 00:17:32.189 ⇒ 00:17:42.649 Brylle Girang: And, you know, it’s like a huge block, a huge skeleton block in the Slack channel that we’re not actually, we’re not actually digesting.
155 00:17:43.110 ⇒ 00:17:47.169 Demilade Agboola: Yeah, so I feel like two things could be useful, and this is just some of my ideas.
156 00:17:47.760 ⇒ 00:17:52.649 Demilade Agboola: One is… We can have 3, like, different categories for
157 00:17:53.960 ⇒ 00:18:02.579 Demilade Agboola: all the skills that I created, so we can, again, core skills, design skills, marketing skills, delivery skills.
158 00:18:02.930 ⇒ 00:18:07.429 Demilade Agboola: SL skills, CSO skills, like, just those different categories, and put the different skills in that place.
159 00:18:07.930 ⇒ 00:18:11.310 Demilade Agboola: And then, that will be a document that leaves.
160 00:18:11.470 ⇒ 00:18:12.460 Demilade Agboola: by itself.
161 00:18:12.570 ⇒ 00:18:17.670 Demilade Agboola: And then maybe every 2 weeks when we’re doing our team meeting, We can then…
162 00:18:17.790 ⇒ 00:18:32.900 Demilade Agboola: do… these are the recently, or maybe at the end of every week, whichever works for that. We can just do… these are the skills that have been released this week in the different categories, or this last two weeks’ categories. So, core skills that are released with this, this will help you if you’re doing, you know.
163 00:18:33.780 ⇒ 00:18:48.489 Demilade Agboola: put logging your hours, this will help if you’re doing a to-do list, this will help this. And then for the marketing team, this will help for finding sales. For the SL team, this will help if you’re trying to do this. For the CSO team, if you’re trying to update the documentation, this is what you can use. Like…
164 00:18:48.720 ⇒ 00:18:54.499 Demilade Agboola: Now, it helps different people, like, tune in to what their problems might be on their own.
165 00:18:54.500 ⇒ 00:18:55.020 Brylle Girang: Yep.
166 00:18:55.210 ⇒ 00:18:56.359 Demilade Agboola: On a different level.
167 00:18:56.880 ⇒ 00:19:02.840 Brylle Girang: Yeah, yeah, I totally agree. I think that’s going to be amazing. The categorization, that’s going to help a lot.
168 00:19:02.960 ⇒ 00:19:10.110 Brylle Girang: And maybe… do you think, like, a single place where you can see the skills that would be, like, helpful for you?
169 00:19:11.460 ⇒ 00:19:16.530 Demilade Agboola: Yeah, I mean… I… so the reason why… let me… let me transfer my screen tonight.
170 00:19:16.530 ⇒ 00:19:16.930 Brylle Girang: Sure.
171 00:19:16.930 ⇒ 00:19:22.239 Demilade Agboola: There’s something I think about sometimes, There’s a tool called Elementary.
172 00:19:23.070 ⇒ 00:19:26.319 Demilade Agboola: And to this day, it’s one of my favorite places to go.
173 00:19:27.070 ⇒ 00:19:32.450 Demilade Agboola: So, dbt has tests, and it doesn’t really matter. Tests is just a way of ensuring that the data maintains
174 00:19:33.150 ⇒ 00:19:34.549 Demilade Agboola: Quality, right?
175 00:19:34.550 ⇒ 00:19:35.120 Brylle Girang: Yeah.
176 00:19:35.420 ⇒ 00:19:44.320 Demilade Agboola: This is one of my favorite places to come to when I’m trying to figure out a test, like, if I’m trying to remember a test. So, there are different tests, you can come, see the utilization, the steps, and…
177 00:19:44.750 ⇒ 00:19:48.630 Demilade Agboola: the… what’s it called? The syntax, so you can see how people utilize it.
178 00:19:48.910 ⇒ 00:19:49.800 Demilade Agboola: But…
179 00:19:49.980 ⇒ 00:19:58.600 Demilade Agboola: I like… one of the things I really like is the categorization. You can use by different packages, so who has released the packages, so you can say dbt Core.
180 00:19:58.920 ⇒ 00:20:00.709 Brylle Girang: Oh, sorry, are you sharing your screen?
181 00:20:01.200 ⇒ 00:20:01.899 Demilade Agboola: Yes, can you switch?
182 00:20:01.900 ⇒ 00:20:04.949 Brylle Girang: I can see it right now. Can you… can you try resharing?
183 00:20:05.100 ⇒ 00:20:07.039 Brylle Girang: Oh, there, I can see it now. It’s okay.
184 00:20:07.040 ⇒ 00:20:08.020 Demilade Agboola: Okay, alright.
185 00:20:08.580 ⇒ 00:20:13.309 Demilade Agboola: Alright, so you can come here and see all the different tests that they have kept track of.
186 00:20:13.740 ⇒ 00:20:17.490 Demilade Agboola: But you can also come and see by package, you can see, hey, which one would be…
187 00:20:17.670 ⇒ 00:20:23.450 Demilade Agboola: our, you know, categorization. So you can see here, I want to see DBT expectations packages, and you can see it.
188 00:20:23.630 ⇒ 00:20:30.370 Demilade Agboola: You can also come and say, hey, I want to… my… what I’m trying to ensure is, completeness.
189 00:20:30.920 ⇒ 00:20:31.240 Brylle Girang: Yeah.
190 00:20:31.240 ⇒ 00:20:32.349 Demilade Agboola: As for now…
191 00:20:32.930 ⇒ 00:20:39.760 Demilade Agboola: you can come and see how you can ensure it has completeness. You can come and say, hey, I want to ensure that, you know.
192 00:20:39.890 ⇒ 00:20:49.040 Demilade Agboola: whatever the missing values, I find it. And so, like, just this level of categorization means that it doesn’t overwhelm you when you come and you see all these tests. You know…
193 00:20:49.480 ⇒ 00:20:52.859 Demilade Agboola: the test that you… oh, I’m head… I only care about…
194 00:20:53.870 ⇒ 00:20:58.470 Demilade Agboola: I’m looking for, like, a… I want to make sure that the values range is a particular values range.
195 00:20:58.510 ⇒ 00:21:14.149 Demilade Agboola: And so now you can look at the test, you click in, and you see the documentation on how to use it. So just that sort of idea, so that it doesn’t become overwhelming, especially as we start to build more and more skills, because effectively, we’ll get to a point where we might have, like, what, 50, 60, 70, 80 skills.
196 00:21:14.950 ⇒ 00:21:22.560 Demilade Agboola: it’s hard to, like, just open a page and see all 80 skills, like, I’m not going to be able to utilize that easily. It can create, like, that feeling of…
197 00:21:22.760 ⇒ 00:21:27.819 Demilade Agboola: like, just being overwhelmed. So if you then say, hey.
198 00:21:27.940 ⇒ 00:21:34.829 Demilade Agboola: These are the core skills that, like, it doesn’t really matter what domain you’re in, anyone on the team can use it and should use it. Cool.
199 00:21:35.600 ⇒ 00:21:47.930 Demilade Agboola: Then we have some skills that the marketing team can look at. We have some skills the SL team can look at, we have some skills that the delivery team can look at. We have some skills that even the leadership can look at. Like, now they know
200 00:21:48.340 ⇒ 00:21:52.520 Demilade Agboola: And that also helps even in thinking of the ideas as well.
201 00:21:52.770 ⇒ 00:21:56.410 Demilade Agboola: Because if I know that, There are skills.
202 00:21:57.330 ⇒ 00:22:05.609 Demilade Agboola: like, it’s easy to problem-solve and give good skills when you know the use cases, or you can think of, hey, this… I’m trying to do something for the delivery team.
203 00:22:06.160 ⇒ 00:22:17.470 Demilade Agboola: What are the skills for that? Or what are the issues delivery team faces? We’re trying to do something for the marketing team. What are the issues the marketing team faces? Trying to do something for the core. What’s an issue everyone faces?
204 00:22:17.730 ⇒ 00:22:18.260 Demilade Agboola: Right.
205 00:22:18.260 ⇒ 00:22:23.470 Brylle Girang: Yeah, okay, okay, that’s really helpful. I’m actually taking a look at Elementary right now.
206 00:22:23.670 ⇒ 00:22:28.689 Brylle Girang: And this is… that is amazing. I think if we could have, like, a page in our platform that
207 00:22:28.890 ⇒ 00:22:37.399 Brylle Girang: that functions similar to that, where people can just search, scan, try to find things that fits their use cases. That would help a lot, instead of.
208 00:22:37.400 ⇒ 00:22:37.715 Demilade Agboola: Huh.
209 00:22:38.250 ⇒ 00:22:43.259 Brylle Girang: Us going through, like, the cursor file, file directories, and trying to figure out what to use.
210 00:22:43.590 ⇒ 00:22:44.210 Brylle Girang: Okay.
211 00:22:44.210 ⇒ 00:22:44.730 Demilade Agboola: like…
212 00:22:44.730 ⇒ 00:22:45.120 Brylle Girang: Okay.
213 00:22:45.120 ⇒ 00:22:46.739 Demilade Agboola: That would… that would be very useful.
214 00:22:46.910 ⇒ 00:22:57.589 Brylle Girang: Yeah, yeah. This is amazing. Thank you, thank you, Demi. I think I’m going to give you back 8 minutes. I think I have enough to, like, build a plan over the next 2 weeks,
215 00:22:57.890 ⇒ 00:23:14.519 Brylle Girang: I might reach out to you again, maybe 2 weeks after, just to check in and share with you what we have built, and see if it’s helping you out. But I’m going to think of this as more of an intentional meeting if I need help understanding what our challenges are.
216 00:23:14.520 ⇒ 00:23:17.980 Brylle Girang: And maybe what can we build for the teams, okay?
217 00:23:18.570 ⇒ 00:23:22.640 Demilade Agboola: Okay, alright, that’s fine. Like, if you also need, like, more ideas, suggestions, or just.
218 00:23:22.640 ⇒ 00:23:23.040 Brylle Girang: Sweet.
219 00:23:23.190 ⇒ 00:23:25.369 Demilade Agboola: And do things, just let me know.
220 00:23:25.370 ⇒ 00:23:30.490 Brylle Girang: Definitely. I think, I think you still have lots of ideas right now.
221 00:23:30.490 ⇒ 00:23:30.970 Demilade Agboola: Yeah.
222 00:23:30.970 ⇒ 00:23:33.979 Brylle Girang: I just want to make sure that, yeah, I focus on…
223 00:23:35.240 ⇒ 00:23:42.859 Demilade Agboola: I was gonna say, I tend to have, like, ideas and stuff, and if I sit down in most things, I can probably figure out ways to, like, make it work better. Yeah, so…
224 00:23:43.470 ⇒ 00:23:57.459 Brylle Girang: That’s amazing. Thank you, thank you, Demi. I’m going to focus on, like, the main problem right now, which is the noise, the feeling of our skills and how we launch things being more of a noise instead of a helpful.
225 00:23:57.460 ⇒ 00:24:05.759 Brylle Girang: package, but next time, I might talk with you again and try to find out what else we can improve on your end, okay?
226 00:24:06.170 ⇒ 00:24:07.040 Demilade Agboola: Okay, sounds good.
227 00:24:07.040 ⇒ 00:24:12.329 Brylle Girang: Perfect. Thank you, thank you so much, Debbie. Happy Friday, and good luck on your tennis match on Sunday.
228 00:24:12.630 ⇒ 00:24:14.780 Demilade Agboola: Yeah, hopefully your swimming goes well, too.
229 00:24:14.930 ⇒ 00:24:16.579 Brylle Girang: It will, it will. Bye-bye!
230 00:24:17.270 ⇒ 00:24:18.179 Demilade Agboola: Alright, buddy.