Meeting Title: Eden AI Subservices Update Sync Date: 2026-04-08 Meeting participants: Zoran Selinger, Uttam Kumaran
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1 00:02:08.380 ⇒ 00:02:09.289 Uttam Kumaran: Hi, sir.
2 00:02:10.190 ⇒ 00:02:11.009 Zoran Selinger: Bye, Tom.
3 00:02:11.400 ⇒ 00:02:12.469 Uttam Kumaran: Hey, how are you?
4 00:02:12.790 ⇒ 00:02:19.320 Zoran Selinger: Yeah, good, good The good day started a little bit earlier today.
5 00:02:19.680 ⇒ 00:02:20.890 Zoran Selinger: At some time.
6 00:02:21.970 ⇒ 00:02:25.909 Uttam Kumaran: You, do you eat… is it… do you start, like, around lunch, or do you start around dinner?
7 00:02:26.540 ⇒ 00:02:30.600 Zoran Selinger: It really now depends. Depends of…
8 00:02:30.710 ⇒ 00:02:39.750 Zoran Selinger: like, if my wife is not working in the morning, I usually spend a little bit more time with her in the morning, then I start
9 00:02:40.210 ⇒ 00:02:41.829 Zoran Selinger: Around lunchtime, yeah.
10 00:02:41.830 ⇒ 00:02:42.390 Uttam Kumaran: Okay.
11 00:02:43.480 ⇒ 00:02:52.320 Zoran Selinger: But sometimes I do work throughout the whole morning, and then really, really, I only do meetings in the afternoon.
12 00:02:53.320 ⇒ 00:02:59.820 Zoran Selinger: But, yeah, I have days like today where I’ve been… I’ve been at it since… 9 AM.
13 00:03:00.310 ⇒ 00:03:06.539 Uttam Kumaran: I mean, you… I am kind of… I’m even probably, like, yeah, in a similar boat. I wake up.
14 00:03:06.810 ⇒ 00:03:12.130 Uttam Kumaran: And then… It’s… it’s Wednesday now, so Monday, Tuesday is usually I’m, like.
15 00:03:12.840 ⇒ 00:03:17.919 Uttam Kumaran: just trying to bust everything out, and I’m, like, meeting with people that get people hyped up on the week, and, like.
16 00:03:18.400 ⇒ 00:03:24.099 Uttam Kumaran: And then Wednesday, Thursday, I’m like, are we prepared for client meetings and things like that?
17 00:03:24.380 ⇒ 00:03:28.159 Uttam Kumaran: But, yeah, I’m working, like, 8 o’clock to maybe…
18 00:03:29.270 ⇒ 00:03:34.450 Uttam Kumaran: 8 o’clock, 9 o’clock. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But I…
19 00:03:34.450 ⇒ 00:03:35.150 Zoran Selinger: I still…
20 00:03:35.150 ⇒ 00:03:40.279 Uttam Kumaran: Try to, like, make sure to get lunch. It’s getting better, though, and I’m actually spending a lot more time on, like.
21 00:03:40.420 ⇒ 00:03:44.219 Uttam Kumaran: how do I build the AI platform for everybody, you know, to use, and, like.
22 00:03:44.600 ⇒ 00:03:54.700 Uttam Kumaran: And I’m starting to spend more time on, like, okay, can we think about a one- or two-year plan for the business, and things like that, so… it’s starting to get that way, so…
23 00:03:54.990 ⇒ 00:03:55.930 Zoran Selinger: Yeah, yeah.
24 00:03:56.290 ⇒ 00:03:56.890 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah.
25 00:03:57.670 ⇒ 00:04:02.479 Zoran Selinger: Yeah, I… listen, you guys have this approach of… of…
26 00:04:02.640 ⇒ 00:04:07.550 Zoran Selinger: really putting AI to the best possible use.
27 00:04:07.750 ⇒ 00:04:12.649 Zoran Selinger: And if… if we do it right, We will be freer.
28 00:04:12.780 ⇒ 00:04:15.700 Zoran Selinger: than… than we are today. Yeah.
29 00:04:16.190 ⇒ 00:04:18.710 Zoran Selinger: And that’s… that’s good. That’s good.
30 00:04:19.120 ⇒ 00:04:21.110 Zoran Selinger: Yeah, so…
31 00:04:22.450 ⇒ 00:04:30.080 Zoran Selinger: I was… I was reading up on it, and really the first question I have is not… is not a technical one, it’s… Yeah.
32 00:04:30.430 ⇒ 00:04:32.260 Zoran Selinger: like, okay.
33 00:04:33.750 ⇒ 00:04:48.619 Zoran Selinger: we talk… when we talk about, like, service lead, let’s call this my, my particular lane is this edge to activation, right? Yeah. So, and when we talk about, like, the standards for service leads and all that.
34 00:04:49.010 ⇒ 00:04:53.730 Zoran Selinger: How does that reflect on my other work that is not
35 00:04:53.900 ⇒ 00:04:56.769 Zoran Selinger: So, stuff that I do for Eden right now.
36 00:04:56.770 ⇒ 00:04:57.369 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
37 00:04:57.370 ⇒ 00:04:58.190 Zoran Selinger: not…
38 00:04:58.660 ⇒ 00:05:08.880 Zoran Selinger: it’s… it’s not strict edge to activation, right? There’s a bunch of different stuff in there. Does… is that even in that conversation, does that fall under same…
39 00:05:09.380 ⇒ 00:05:15.529 Zoran Selinger: same standards, or… I’m… I’m not 100% sure about.
40 00:05:15.530 ⇒ 00:05:26.210 Uttam Kumaran: So, one thing is, if we are doing work for a client that isn’t covered by an existing service, we need to cut… we need to mark it as, like, there’s additional services we’re doing.
41 00:05:26.340 ⇒ 00:05:29.439 Uttam Kumaran: Right? So my push to you is, like.
42 00:05:29.790 ⇒ 00:05:37.119 Uttam Kumaran: looking at those subservices, if you think there’s more, let’s write more down. Like, I… this is where, like, I’m a bit distant from
43 00:05:37.280 ⇒ 00:05:47.299 Uttam Kumaran: your work on Eden, so if you think, like, the work we’re doing for Edge Activation and the other stuff you’re doing isn’t captured in one of those subservices.
44 00:05:47.500 ⇒ 00:05:51.350 Uttam Kumaran: Let’s… let’s, like, add more subservices. So my goal is, like.
45 00:05:51.870 ⇒ 00:05:58.139 Uttam Kumaran: There’s nothing… there’s no non-documented, like, service work that we’re doing, basically.
46 00:05:58.550 ⇒ 00:05:59.549 Zoran Selinger: Yeah, that’s the goal, yeah.
47 00:05:59.550 ⇒ 00:06:07.080 Uttam Kumaran: first thing. Yeah, so, like, I think if you have some of those, let me know, I’ll update, or if you want to just update and say, like, edge, and then plus these things.
48 00:06:07.320 ⇒ 00:06:12.150 Uttam Kumaran: that’s… that’s that. So, everything will be covered, and then it… it’s basically…
49 00:06:12.480 ⇒ 00:06:14.839 Uttam Kumaran: You’re, you’re covering, you know, those.
50 00:06:15.600 ⇒ 00:06:19.740 Zoran Selinger: Yeah, okay, cool. So…
51 00:06:21.340 ⇒ 00:06:24.100 Zoran Selinger: you might… you are aware that I…
52 00:06:24.460 ⇒ 00:06:29.420 Zoran Selinger: I started working on the… the edge-to-activation,
53 00:06:30.120 ⇒ 00:06:37.750 Zoran Selinger: documents, so I already… I already have the SOP, we have… I have the implementation playbook.
54 00:06:40.520 ⇒ 00:06:49.120 Zoran Selinger: how do I… so… so that… you merged, so I opened the pull request, you merged it at some point.
55 00:06:49.890 ⇒ 00:07:01.250 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, so let’s… How do I keep… Do you want to, like, do you want to go through an example today? So why don’t we take this task? Like, do you want to share and, like, have cursor? Why don’t we take the task of updating
56 00:07:01.360 ⇒ 00:07:03.779 Uttam Kumaran: additional subservices that aren’t capture.
57 00:07:05.040 ⇒ 00:07:05.720 Zoran Selinger: Mmm…
58 00:07:05.720 ⇒ 00:07:09.719 Uttam Kumaran: and opening a PR for that. I think we could just do that today.
59 00:07:10.420 ⇒ 00:07:19.170 Zoran Selinger: Yeah, yeah. Let me, let me think of a, a task that is,
60 00:07:20.330 ⇒ 00:07:22.180 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, like, give me an example, and I’ll help you.
61 00:07:22.180 ⇒ 00:07:29.409 Zoran Selinger: Yeah, if you… if you… if you really… if you really stretch it a lot,
62 00:07:30.300 ⇒ 00:07:40.150 Zoran Selinger: you can… I mean… Basically, all the enablement can be, can be put under the category of activation.
63 00:07:40.260 ⇒ 00:07:59.119 Zoran Selinger: Right? So, and if we, if we have, if we have edge, and whenever we touch Edge with a client, and there’s some… okay, I’ll give you an example. We have, like, for Eden OS, we have, a really comprehensive SMS permissions added to the intakes.
64 00:08:00.210 ⇒ 00:08:06.059 Zoran Selinger: And that needs to somehow end up in customer I.O, so they can
65 00:08:06.500 ⇒ 00:08:10.439 Zoran Selinger: They can actually act on those permissions.
66 00:08:10.440 ⇒ 00:08:10.980 Uttam Kumaran: Okay.
67 00:08:11.580 ⇒ 00:08:23.269 Zoran Selinger: So this… this is not even touching Edge data, for example. It works independently, it’s a tag in Google Tag Manager, it’s a segment tag in Google Tag Manager.
68 00:08:23.650 ⇒ 00:08:32.980 Zoran Selinger: the event comes into the segment, it gets forwarded to customer I.O, and then they…
69 00:08:33.929 ⇒ 00:08:37.339 Zoran Selinger: they do what… whatever, right, with it. Okay.
70 00:08:37.860 ⇒ 00:08:43.939 Zoran Selinger: This is, like, this is one example of… and obviously, there’s million of those.
71 00:08:44.030 ⇒ 00:08:44.740 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah.
72 00:08:44.850 ⇒ 00:08:53.160 Zoran Selinger: There’s millions of those examples, where they’re, like, those small, specific things that, really, they are enablement.
73 00:08:53.450 ⇒ 00:09:09.010 Zoran Selinger: It’s really hard to standardize, like, you… we… you can, you can go into, like, you can break this down and, okay, this is… we have a, like, client tracking piece that then data goes from the client
74 00:09:09.010 ⇒ 00:09:15.709 Zoran Selinger: or the browser, right? It goes to the CDP, and then we… then we activate it by…
75 00:09:15.910 ⇒ 00:09:24.200 Zoran Selinger: by integration in CDP to, you know, Google Ads, TikTok, whatever. Customer I.O.
76 00:09:24.200 ⇒ 00:09:24.760 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah.
77 00:09:25.500 ⇒ 00:09:25.929 Zoran Selinger: That’s reversed.
78 00:09:25.930 ⇒ 00:09:26.310 Uttam Kumaran: TTL.
79 00:09:26.310 ⇒ 00:09:28.710 Zoran Selinger: The variety in that is a lot.
80 00:09:28.710 ⇒ 00:09:31.280 Uttam Kumaran: But that’s reverse… you’d call that reverse ETL, right?
81 00:09:31.280 ⇒ 00:09:32.250 Zoran Selinger: Yeah, yeah.
82 00:09:33.340 ⇒ 00:09:36.439 Uttam Kumaran: So then let’s… can you open the subservices on your side?
83 00:09:36.600 ⇒ 00:09:39.630 Uttam Kumaran: And let’s just even talk about what else we want to add.
84 00:09:42.220 ⇒ 00:09:50.710 Zoran Selinger: I also, wanted… I mean, I wanted to… to ask, about, let me share my screen.
85 00:09:50.710 ⇒ 00:09:51.270 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, yeah.
86 00:09:52.490 ⇒ 00:09:55.749 Zoran Selinger: I wanted to ask about,
87 00:10:03.350 ⇒ 00:10:09.809 Zoran Selinger: Let me, let me know how this works… how this looks on your side.
88 00:10:11.220 ⇒ 00:10:13.010 Zoran Selinger: Is that too small?
89 00:10:13.010 ⇒ 00:10:14.210 Uttam Kumaran: No, no, no, this is great.
90 00:10:14.440 ⇒ 00:10:16.030 Zoran Selinger: This is good? Okay.
91 00:10:16.230 ⇒ 00:10:22.050 Zoran Selinger: Perfect. So, even if I want to just, make changes to the edge.
92 00:10:22.290 ⇒ 00:10:30.099 Zoran Selinger: Yeah. Edge to activation playbook. I’m… so, initially, I opened a, I opened a branch.
93 00:10:30.430 ⇒ 00:10:30.960 Uttam Kumaran: Okay.
94 00:10:31.210 ⇒ 00:10:32.539 Zoran Selinger: And it was merged.
95 00:10:33.120 ⇒ 00:10:38.929 Zoran Selinger: You merged it. So how do I continue, adding changes? Do I… how…
96 00:10:38.930 ⇒ 00:10:40.989 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, yeah, so good… so one is…
97 00:10:41.150 ⇒ 00:10:45.159 Uttam Kumaran: Anytime you make a change, one thing I would suggest is you say.
98 00:10:45.280 ⇒ 00:10:52.000 Uttam Kumaran: like, for example, let’s say… because not often times, you’re, like, sometimes you’re in the middle of some… you’re in the middle of doing something, you’re like, cool, I want to wrap this all up.
99 00:10:52.220 ⇒ 00:10:56.120 Uttam Kumaran: Right? So, for me, I face this all the time, so what I typically do is I say.
100 00:10:56.380 ⇒ 00:10:59.009 Uttam Kumaran: I usually say, make a ticket.
101 00:10:59.520 ⇒ 00:11:01.839 Uttam Kumaran: Use that branch, and open a PR.
102 00:11:02.600 ⇒ 00:11:06.130 Uttam Kumaran: Another thing you could do is there’s actually a skill called
103 00:11:06.370 ⇒ 00:11:12.000 Uttam Kumaran: ship PR. And if you just type in, ship this PR, it will actually create the ticket.
104 00:11:12.660 ⇒ 00:11:16.020 Uttam Kumaran: Create the branch, and then open that PR for you.
105 00:11:16.450 ⇒ 00:11:21.210 Uttam Kumaran: But one thing that I want to get everybody in the habit of doing is, like, making sure that there’s just a ticket.
106 00:11:21.650 ⇒ 00:11:28.969 Uttam Kumaran: And right now, there is… there is a… there is a linear team for the services team. So the ticket will get created there.
107 00:11:30.450 ⇒ 00:11:40.420 Zoran Selinger: So, are you… are you saying that the every PR should have a ticket, or… Yes. It does? Oh, okay. I… that’s… that’s news.
108 00:11:40.580 ⇒ 00:11:43.469 Zoran Selinger: To me, that I didn’t know. It’s just, I mean…
109 00:11:43.470 ⇒ 00:11:52.419 Uttam Kumaran: One is… one is just great engineering habit, but I’m gonna… I’m gonna basically start enforcing that on this. So type in, like, type in ship PR.
110 00:11:53.970 ⇒ 00:11:54.570 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah.
111 00:11:58.810 ⇒ 00:12:00.190 Uttam Kumaran: ship dash PR.
112 00:12:00.550 ⇒ 00:12:01.580 Uttam Kumaran: Is there anything?
113 00:12:01.720 ⇒ 00:12:06.760 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, so, like, look at… there’s that… there’s this one, actually, go… go,
114 00:12:06.870 ⇒ 00:12:10.140 Uttam Kumaran: See this linear platform issue branch PR.
115 00:12:10.140 ⇒ 00:12:11.260 Zoran Selinger: Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
116 00:12:11.600 ⇒ 00:12:12.300 Uttam Kumaran: See that?
117 00:12:12.550 ⇒ 00:12:15.720 Uttam Kumaran: I can rename the name, but basically, if you say ship this.
118 00:12:16.160 ⇒ 00:12:19.330 Uttam Kumaran: You can just do linear dash… yeah, linear platform issue…
119 00:12:19.330 ⇒ 00:12:20.160 Zoran Selinger: Yeah,
120 00:12:20.490 ⇒ 00:12:26.600 Uttam Kumaran: Basically, what it’s gonna do is… it’ll just do all of those. Oh, very cool. Yeah.
121 00:12:28.360 ⇒ 00:12:32.210 Uttam Kumaran: Did you… have you made any changes in this… Thread so far?
122 00:12:32.210 ⇒ 00:12:38.700 Zoran Selinger: I did make… I did make changes lately, and I did not open a PR
123 00:12:39.250 ⇒ 00:12:41.100 Zoran Selinger: Let me… what is this?
124 00:12:46.010 ⇒ 00:12:51.330 Zoran Selinger: Now, this is just, so I had…
125 00:12:53.030 ⇒ 00:13:00.320 Zoran Selinger: I have changes here, I haven’t merged… with Maine for… Couple of days.
126 00:13:00.520 ⇒ 00:13:08.039 Zoran Selinger: Here, in the… Okay. Because I stumbled upon a few things that I’ve never checked before starting work with Amble.
127 00:13:08.230 ⇒ 00:13:22.040 Zoran Selinger: And I was updating this edge play… Edge to Activation Playbook regularly, but just haven’t submitted, like, haven’t opened up PR since the first one.
128 00:13:23.640 ⇒ 00:13:35.639 Uttam Kumaran: Okay, okay, yeah, no, it’s no problem. So, like, one thing, let’s… why don’t we do this? I… let’s… let’s… I wanna… let’s walk through adding a subservice today, right? So, if you go back into this chat on the right.
129 00:13:37.250 ⇒ 00:13:44.269 Uttam Kumaran: And let’s… you could just… you could just continue this chat, actually, that’s totally fine. Same… you could continue with the same one. At the bottom, let’s just say…
130 00:13:44.270 ⇒ 00:13:46.550 Zoran Selinger: What’s your favorite model to use?
131 00:13:46.550 ⇒ 00:13:51.590 Uttam Kumaran: I use, I use Himi. It’s a bit cheaper.
132 00:13:51.940 ⇒ 00:13:59.689 Uttam Kumaran: And it’s… just as good. Or I use auto, actually, for the most part. Type in K-I-M-I,
133 00:14:00.360 ⇒ 00:14:04.200 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, I… most of the time use auto, because it’s like, this is really easy stuff.
134 00:14:04.440 ⇒ 00:14:06.470 Uttam Kumaran: And so just say, like, hey.
135 00:14:06.700 ⇒ 00:14:14.109 Uttam Kumaran: You can just say exactly what you told me. And let me tell you one more thing. Do you… you don’t use the voice to text much?
136 00:14:14.110 ⇒ 00:14:15.580 Zoran Selinger: I, I tried.
137 00:14:15.860 ⇒ 00:14:16.410 Uttam Kumaran: What happened?
138 00:14:16.410 ⇒ 00:14:27.650 Zoran Selinger: what’s… I tried Whisper, and… Yeah. It’s… for me, maybe it’s because my laptop is old, it’s… it’s buggy.
139 00:14:28.090 ⇒ 00:14:32.090 Zoran Selinger: It’s just buggy. Not because of the voice recognition or anything.
140 00:14:32.090 ⇒ 00:14:32.510 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah.
141 00:14:32.510 ⇒ 00:14:37.390 Zoran Selinger: Sometimes the mic stays on, shoots my music.
142 00:14:37.390 ⇒ 00:14:38.150 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
143 00:14:38.150 ⇒ 00:14:40.690 Zoran Selinger: That, that’s, that’s the whole reason.
144 00:14:40.690 ⇒ 00:14:41.120 Uttam Kumaran: I’ll…
145 00:14:41.120 ⇒ 00:14:42.270 Zoran Selinger: The other one…
146 00:14:42.270 ⇒ 00:14:43.070 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, yeah.
147 00:14:43.070 ⇒ 00:14:54.319 Zoran Selinger: Simply, simply, my fluency is… I do not get much more… I’m not much.
148 00:14:54.320 ⇒ 00:14:56.150 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, yeah, I hear you, I hear you.
149 00:14:56.150 ⇒ 00:14:58.149 Zoran Selinger: when typing.
150 00:14:58.150 ⇒ 00:14:58.950 Uttam Kumaran: No, you should just…
151 00:14:58.950 ⇒ 00:14:59.700 Zoran Selinger: That is fluent.
152 00:14:59.700 ⇒ 00:15:03.960 Uttam Kumaran: you should just speak. Is it Croatian? You should just use it in Croatian and just talk.
153 00:15:03.960 ⇒ 00:15:05.770 Zoran Selinger: Yeah, maybe, maybe, maybe…
154 00:15:05.770 ⇒ 00:15:14.310 Uttam Kumaran: Telling you! Okay, well, I’ll solve that… I’ll solve that for you. That’ll be next week’s curriculum. I’ll show you, because you can… I also have it, it doesn’t pause my music.
155 00:15:14.530 ⇒ 00:15:23.670 Uttam Kumaran: And sometimes for this, like, it’s easy, but why don’t we do… just, let’s do the same thing that you told me when I hopped on the call, right? So, number one, you could say.
156 00:15:24.380 ⇒ 00:15:32.049 Uttam Kumaran: I noticed that there are several services that we are currently doing for a client that aren’t in our subservice list.
157 00:15:32.970 ⇒ 00:15:34.730 Uttam Kumaran: I would like help.
158 00:15:35.010 ⇒ 00:15:38.439 Uttam Kumaran: adding them, So I can push…
159 00:15:38.610 ⇒ 00:15:40.670 Uttam Kumaran: So I can push a PR for…
160 00:15:40.880 ⇒ 00:15:42.639 Uttam Kumaran: The head of delivery to review.
161 00:15:46.310 ⇒ 00:15:50.399 Zoran Selinger: I’d like to.
162 00:15:50.800 ⇒ 00:15:53.270 Uttam Kumaran: I’d like to… create them.
163 00:15:58.030 ⇒ 00:15:59.050 Zoran Selinger: Okay.
164 00:16:01.270 ⇒ 00:16:04.780 Zoran Selinger: So I should describe, right?
165 00:16:09.430 ⇒ 00:16:12.729 Uttam Kumaran: No, no, don’t even say anything yet. Don’t say anything yet. Just say this.
166 00:16:13.220 ⇒ 00:16:14.710 Zoran Selinger: Okay, and… Yeah.
167 00:16:15.020 ⇒ 00:16:15.950 Uttam Kumaran: Just hit enter.
168 00:16:17.080 ⇒ 00:16:18.779 Zoran Selinger: No skill yet.
169 00:16:24.130 ⇒ 00:16:27.140 Zoran Selinger: So I… so I am in…
170 00:16:30.230 ⇒ 00:16:33.759 Zoran Selinger: So I’m talking about the branch right now. What’s the…
171 00:16:34.080 ⇒ 00:16:36.070 Zoran Selinger: Where should I be at this point?
172 00:16:36.070 ⇒ 00:16:42.639 Uttam Kumaran: No, no, no, you’re good. Don’t… I’m telling you, don’t worry about any of that. You are totally… this is exactly where you need to be. So, I’ll show you that, like.
173 00:16:43.120 ⇒ 00:16:44.749 Uttam Kumaran: Everybody was, like.
174 00:16:44.920 ⇒ 00:16:49.890 Uttam Kumaran: You’ll see that, like, whether you’re in the right branch or not early on is less relevant, because
175 00:16:50.880 ⇒ 00:16:54.139 Uttam Kumaran: They’ll be able to, like, organize it all later pretty easily.
176 00:16:55.140 ⇒ 00:17:01.680 Uttam Kumaran: So… let’s see, it’s looking like, okay, how do I end up adding a new… subservice.
177 00:17:03.780 ⇒ 00:17:13.319 Uttam Kumaran: Great. So, what it realized is there’s no… I didn’t write anything about how to add a new subservice. So, it’s going to… it’s going to, give you the requirements.
178 00:17:17.089 ⇒ 00:17:19.769 Uttam Kumaran: And then it’s probably gonna ask you a couple questions.
179 00:17:34.870 ⇒ 00:17:37.200 Zoran Selinger: I just have to reply.
180 00:17:38.390 ⇒ 00:17:49.500 Zoran Selinger: to Robert, they’re rushing to finish something and don’t understand some few things about affiliate. Let me just… I’ll have to answer this question, they’re in a rush.
181 00:17:53.480 ⇒ 00:17:56.929 Zoran Selinger: Yes, they only onboarded.
182 00:17:57.730 ⇒ 00:18:00.920 Zoran Selinger: Or… or… Five.
183 00:18:08.080 ⇒ 00:18:09.550 Zoran Selinger: Sorry about that.
184 00:18:09.750 ⇒ 00:18:18.819 Uttam Kumaran: You’re good. Okay, so it says, what I still need from you, right, at the bottom. So it’ll tell you what it did. I added a checklist, I did not add any subservices.
185 00:18:19.090 ⇒ 00:18:22.600 Uttam Kumaran: Well, this is what… This is what I need from you. Okay.
186 00:18:23.660 ⇒ 00:18:26.860 Uttam Kumaran: So it says I need the subservice name, I need the service line.
187 00:18:27.740 ⇒ 00:18:29.830 Uttam Kumaran: I need the slug, and what else does it say?
188 00:18:31.090 ⇒ 00:18:31.829 Uttam Kumaran: I need to know.
189 00:18:31.830 ⇒ 00:18:33.640 Zoran Selinger: That’s all optional, yeah.
190 00:18:33.640 ⇒ 00:18:39.650 Uttam Kumaran: So what… so this is where, again, don’t let the AI run you. So you can go and say.
191 00:18:40.230 ⇒ 00:18:41.889 Uttam Kumaran: Ask me questions.
192 00:18:42.620 ⇒ 00:18:46.319 Uttam Kumaran: On what you need, For the new subservices.
193 00:18:46.320 ⇒ 00:18:46.990 Zoran Selinger: Yeah.
194 00:18:47.350 ⇒ 00:18:48.860 Uttam Kumaran: You could just say that in the chat.
195 00:18:50.380 ⇒ 00:18:51.370 Zoran Selinger: You got it.
196 00:18:52.010 ⇒ 00:18:53.479 Zoran Selinger: You would say that right now?
197 00:18:53.480 ⇒ 00:18:54.320 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, yeah!
198 00:18:57.190 ⇒ 00:18:59.249 Uttam Kumaran: You could literally say, ask me.
199 00:18:59.690 ⇒ 00:19:04.340 Uttam Kumaran: What… ask me questions about what you need for the new subservices.
200 00:19:22.240 ⇒ 00:19:26.469 Uttam Kumaran: I’m telling you, in 2 weeks, you’re gonna call me, and you’re gonna be like, oh my god, like…
201 00:19:27.530 ⇒ 00:19:29.140 Uttam Kumaran: This is, like, insane.
202 00:19:30.360 ⇒ 00:19:33.489 Uttam Kumaran: Cool, so it says here, the list, what is the name?
203 00:19:34.350 ⇒ 00:19:43.779 Uttam Kumaran: Right? So, a couple of these. So, this is what, like, maybe we can work on this. So, do you have… so the first… first one you mentioned is, like, reverse ETL, right?
204 00:19:44.360 ⇒ 00:19:47.350 Zoran Selinger: Yeah, it’s… yeah, there’s a lot of that. There’s a lot of that.
205 00:19:48.150 ⇒ 00:19:49.469 Uttam Kumaran: Are there any others?
206 00:19:49.680 ⇒ 00:19:51.510 Uttam Kumaran: That you want to do as part of this?
207 00:19:55.600 ⇒ 00:20:02.350 Zoran Selinger: what’s currently there. They would all, so lately, they would all…
208 00:20:02.720 ⇒ 00:20:09.980 Zoran Selinger: fall into the… into that. There’s also a lot of, a lot of… I…
209 00:20:11.110 ⇒ 00:20:16.689 Zoran Selinger: checking the dashboards, the numbers, there’s a lot of validation.
210 00:20:16.690 ⇒ 00:20:19.120 Uttam Kumaran: Let’s talk about that. So what is… so what is that…
211 00:20:19.260 ⇒ 00:20:23.059 Uttam Kumaran: That, and give me, give me, like, a… A client example of that.
212 00:20:23.060 ⇒ 00:20:34.449 Zoran Selinger: Typically, typically that, that goes into… okay, so, you, we would get a, we would get a message, this number in this report does not look right, or,
213 00:20:34.450 ⇒ 00:20:43.269 Zoran Selinger: Can you… can you check it? So, that will… first thing you need to do, you need to go into that report and see what’s the underlying model that it pulls data from.
214 00:20:43.330 ⇒ 00:20:45.509 Zoran Selinger: Yeah. Right? That’s the key.
215 00:20:45.890 ⇒ 00:20:54.670 Zoran Selinger: Understanding the model, and then you would also need to go into that particular platform,
216 00:20:54.700 ⇒ 00:21:07.679 Zoran Selinger: let’s say, Google Ads spend looks off, so you have to go into the platform and actually look at the real data that’s in the platform, and see how we differ, and understand why it differs. Typically.
217 00:21:07.690 ⇒ 00:21:18.909 Zoran Selinger: what we’re going to find out is that we are comparing apples to oranges, and there is just a lack of understanding of those differences. And neither is wrong. That’s typically what we find.
218 00:21:19.010 ⇒ 00:21:25.320 Zoran Selinger: Right? If we… if we do find,
219 00:21:25.420 ⇒ 00:21:41.750 Zoran Selinger: like, recently, we didn’t fully transition exactly, like, Tableau to Omni for Eden. One of the reports was… was slightly off, because the default for the Omni report wasn’t the same default for the Tableau report.
220 00:21:41.750 ⇒ 00:21:54.279 Zoran Selinger: And that produced the difference. So we did have some changes to make. For example, that particular investigation resulted in us needing to actually change the report in Omni.
221 00:21:54.280 ⇒ 00:21:59.119 Zoran Selinger: But in most cases, it’s just, understand, like.
222 00:21:59.140 ⇒ 00:22:03.070 Zoran Selinger: Explaining why this is different from something else.
223 00:22:05.140 ⇒ 00:22:12.209 Uttam Kumaran: Okay, then I… what I would say, though, is that seems to be fitting in under, like, Dashboard and metric QA, which is a subservice
224 00:22:12.400 ⇒ 00:22:14.299 Uttam Kumaran: Under strategy, already.
225 00:22:14.300 ⇒ 00:22:20.659 Zoran Selinger: That’s already… that… yeah, I presume I’m… yeah, I would guess that that already exists.
226 00:22:21.000 ⇒ 00:22:22.520 Zoran Selinger: Yeah.
227 00:22:23.070 ⇒ 00:22:23.640 Zoran Selinger: The what?
228 00:22:23.640 ⇒ 00:22:32.069 Uttam Kumaran: Why don’t we go… yeah, why don’t… why don’t we go ahead, I wanna… I actually want to show you the full cycle, so why don’t we just go ahead and do the reverse ETL one?
229 00:22:32.680 ⇒ 00:22:43.619 Uttam Kumaran: Let’s just… let’s just… let’s just write… let’s just answer what it asks… what it’s asking for, you know? So you can say, we’re miss… I think we’re missing a service around reverse ETL,
230 00:22:43.800 ⇒ 00:22:46.709 Uttam Kumaran: Or data… data activation.
231 00:22:46.710 ⇒ 00:22:48.579 Zoran Selinger: So you would… you would write this in a.
232 00:22:48.580 ⇒ 00:22:59.139 Uttam Kumaran: No, literally write it like that. Literally write it like that. Like, this is where I don’t think too much about babying it. Like, think about talking to it like you would talk to, like, an intern.
233 00:22:59.890 ⇒ 00:23:00.730 Uttam Kumaran: Right?
234 00:23:00.890 ⇒ 00:23:10.070 Uttam Kumaran: Or someone that works for you. Don’t even, like, don’t worry too much about the format or anything. Most of it is, like, make sure you get all your thoughts out.
235 00:23:10.250 ⇒ 00:23:24.940 Uttam Kumaran: And it… the platform is built in a way where it will… it’ll break up what you say, and then give you the suggestions. So your job is mainly just to brain dump, which is why I said the voice-to-tech’s sometimes is nice, because you just sit here and, like, talk for, like, a minute. Like, just like this.
236 00:23:25.160 ⇒ 00:23:31.540 Uttam Kumaran: okay, like, there’s these 5 things where I don’t know if this is currently captured, maybe it is, you tell me. You could just…
237 00:23:31.840 ⇒ 00:23:33.120 Uttam Kumaran: Basically, like.
238 00:23:33.580 ⇒ 00:23:42.929 Uttam Kumaran: ramble, and then just send it, and then it’ll figure it out, you know, from there, right? But let’s continue with this, like, we’re missing a service around reverse ETL tasks.
239 00:23:44.150 ⇒ 00:23:48.100 Zoran Selinger: That would be… that would fall under data service line.
240 00:23:55.940 ⇒ 00:23:58.700 Zoran Selinger: Range, it’s really a new…
241 00:24:08.330 ⇒ 00:24:09.889 Zoran Selinger: Oh, so, mmm…
242 00:24:14.410 ⇒ 00:24:28.020 Zoran Selinger: Hmm. These tasks usually… fall under our ongoing Ongoing retainers.
243 00:24:29.670 ⇒ 00:24:47.720 Zoran Selinger: I’d say, under maintenance, Clients, I typically… Plans typically… Let’s see it as…
244 00:24:48.130 ⇒ 00:24:52.159 Zoran Selinger: See, it is just, just ongoing.
245 00:24:52.370 ⇒ 00:24:53.340 Zoran Selinger: work.
246 00:24:54.410 ⇒ 00:24:55.690 Zoran Selinger: for the retainer.
247 00:24:58.410 ⇒ 00:25:02.170 Zoran Selinger: In my view, that’s… that’s how that’s treated.
248 00:25:04.530 ⇒ 00:25:05.890 Zoran Selinger: folder slug.
249 00:25:09.000 ⇒ 00:25:13.260 Zoran Selinger: Just use, good news.
250 00:25:13.390 ⇒ 00:25:19.249 Zoran Selinger: You can lose the reverse… He dealt for slugs.
251 00:25:25.650 ⇒ 00:25:39.160 Zoran Selinger: dedicated subservice level. You can, yes, yes, use, use, so I’m sorry, labels in…
252 00:25:42.790 ⇒ 00:25:44.400 Zoran Selinger: Existing repo.
253 00:25:50.220 ⇒ 00:25:52.440 Zoran Selinger: On the… on the number 4.
254 00:25:54.420 ⇒ 00:25:56.640 Zoran Selinger: Can you help me answer that question?
255 00:25:56.640 ⇒ 00:26:03.570 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, so existing repo… are any of these represented as folders? Just say, I don’t know. I don’t know about number 4.
256 00:26:07.980 ⇒ 00:26:12.580 Uttam Kumaran: Not sure about number 4. For number 5… This is a proposal.
257 00:26:19.910 ⇒ 00:26:24.749 Uttam Kumaran: So sometimes, yeah, so you can just say… you can just say, number… for number 5, this is a proposal.
258 00:26:26.160 ⇒ 00:26:27.590 Uttam Kumaran: That way, it’s gonna know.
259 00:26:30.840 ⇒ 00:26:33.759 Uttam Kumaran: And you can also say, I don’t know about number 6.
260 00:26:36.660 ⇒ 00:26:37.380 Uttam Kumaran: Okay?
261 00:26:37.570 ⇒ 00:26:38.820 Uttam Kumaran: We’ll see what it says.
262 00:26:50.200 ⇒ 00:26:57.630 Zoran Selinger: How do you deal with, actually, AI running like… bash commands.
263 00:26:58.800 ⇒ 00:27:04.699 Zoran Selinger: Do you just give it, like, YOLO permissions, or…
264 00:27:04.700 ⇒ 00:27:10.709 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, I… I, I give it everything. Because I don’t… there’s not, like, much risk.
265 00:27:11.020 ⇒ 00:27:14.709 Uttam Kumaran: Most of the stuff that we’re doing is, like, writing command, like.
266 00:27:14.830 ⇒ 00:27:24.500 Uttam Kumaran: it’s not gonna write, like, delete all databases, like, it doesn’t, like, accidentally do that. That’s why sometimes people are like, oh, I’m nervous, like, giving access. I’m like.
267 00:27:25.090 ⇒ 00:27:28.550 Uttam Kumaran: Unless you write, delete all databases, don’t…
268 00:27:28.770 ⇒ 00:27:31.179 Uttam Kumaran: Don’t ask me for permissions ever, like…
269 00:27:31.350 ⇒ 00:27:31.950 Zoran Selinger: It’s gonna…
270 00:27:31.950 ⇒ 00:27:47.600 Uttam Kumaran: be like, yo, are you sure? It’s gonna ask you, like, 10 times, are you sure? So, I don’t care. In fact, for me, my limiting factor right now is the amount of hours I’m awake. So, I need to… I’m running, like, 4 or 5 of these things. Basically.
271 00:27:47.740 ⇒ 00:27:49.649 Uttam Kumaran: My entire waking day.
272 00:27:51.040 ⇒ 00:27:54.010 Uttam Kumaran: You know, to get, like, everything done.
273 00:27:54.160 ⇒ 00:27:59.689 Uttam Kumaran: So… What you’re gonna see is, like, it’s very powerful,
274 00:28:00.190 ⇒ 00:28:04.379 Uttam Kumaran: And… and so this is great, like, I think it’s… look, it’s look, it’s taking what you said.
275 00:28:11.030 ⇒ 00:28:20.530 Zoran Selinger: So this is going to automatically, look at the, like, the standards that, that we’ve written. It’s gonna have all the sections that it needs to.
276 00:28:21.140 ⇒ 00:28:21.840 Zoran Selinger: Because…
277 00:28:21.840 ⇒ 00:28:24.900 Uttam Kumaran: Guess what? I’ve already given it how to do this.
278 00:28:25.230 ⇒ 00:28:32.540 Uttam Kumaran: I gave it all of, like, where to format everything. So now I’m passing it to you to say, just make sure that your services are all documented.
279 00:28:33.000 ⇒ 00:28:36.890 Uttam Kumaran: And so you don’t have to worry much about this. And then what I’m gonna tell you is, like.
280 00:28:37.420 ⇒ 00:28:41.699 Uttam Kumaran: At the end of this, you can just say, okay, make sure there’s a ticket.
281 00:28:42.160 ⇒ 00:28:43.709 Uttam Kumaran: For… in the service team?
282 00:28:43.820 ⇒ 00:28:47.600 Uttam Kumaran: for this, assign to me, and push a… and ship a PR.
283 00:29:00.010 ⇒ 00:29:01.719 Zoran Selinger: Yeah, okay, okay.
284 00:29:01.900 ⇒ 00:29:03.970 Zoran Selinger: Well, I mean, this is,
285 00:29:04.860 ⇒ 00:29:11.519 Zoran Selinger: Really good, a good place to start. I saw… so, when I was investigating earlier,
286 00:29:11.760 ⇒ 00:29:20.909 Zoran Selinger: When we… when we do, like, the playbooks and all that, so it ends up in a… an index of things that are already done.
287 00:29:21.550 ⇒ 00:29:24.210 Zoran Selinger: How can I know exactly what
288 00:29:24.470 ⇒ 00:29:26.950 Zoran Selinger: what else I need to do?
289 00:29:27.180 ⇒ 00:29:28.500 Zoran Selinger: with my…
290 00:29:29.310 ⇒ 00:29:38.539 Zoran Selinger: with my, edge-to-activation playbook, to be considered, let’s call it, done, and to actually be in the list of…
291 00:29:38.970 ⇒ 00:29:39.770 Uttam Kumaran: Playbooks.
292 00:29:39.770 ⇒ 00:29:40.779 Zoran Selinger: Of playbooks, yeah.
293 00:29:40.780 ⇒ 00:29:45.940 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, so there is, I think there is a playbook guideline
294 00:29:46.420 ⇒ 00:29:48.680 Uttam Kumaran: So, open a… open a new chat.
295 00:29:48.880 ⇒ 00:29:53.020 Uttam Kumaran: and say, is there… just literally, literally, you should just ask AI.
296 00:29:55.480 ⇒ 00:29:56.889 Uttam Kumaran: Ask, just ask it.
297 00:29:58.350 ⇒ 00:30:00.309 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, the exact same thing you said.
298 00:30:04.220 ⇒ 00:30:08.799 Zoran Selinger: What else do I need to,
299 00:30:09.790 ⇒ 00:30:13.390 Zoran Selinger: Need to add to the egg.
300 00:30:14.270 ⇒ 00:30:16.410 Zoran Selinger: Edge population.
301 00:30:16.560 ⇒ 00:30:17.800 Zoran Selinger: Playbook.
302 00:30:18.090 ⇒ 00:30:22.190 Zoran Selinger: To satisfy the criteria.
303 00:30:23.020 ⇒ 00:30:24.549 Zoran Selinger: Or playbooks.
304 00:30:29.180 ⇒ 00:30:32.050 Zoran Selinger: And I’m a saintiff.
305 00:30:40.460 ⇒ 00:30:42.490 Zoran Selinger: This is still going very good.
306 00:30:44.300 ⇒ 00:30:46.350 Zoran Selinger: surrounding Git commands.
307 00:30:46.650 ⇒ 00:30:47.819 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, good, good.
308 00:30:49.080 ⇒ 00:30:52.070 Uttam Kumaran: This is what I’m telling you, it’s gonna do everything for you, dude.
309 00:30:53.170 ⇒ 00:30:59.180 Uttam Kumaran: So another thing I’m gonna tell you, if you… this… since while this is running, go to the other… go to the other one.
310 00:31:00.840 ⇒ 00:31:01.610 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah.
311 00:31:02.780 ⇒ 00:31:03.560 Uttam Kumaran: Okay.
312 00:31:05.050 ⇒ 00:31:05.810 Uttam Kumaran: Cool.
313 00:31:06.000 ⇒ 00:31:11.159 Uttam Kumaran: So, broadly, what I’m… what I’m doing is I’m gonna just be the reviewer.
314 00:31:11.470 ⇒ 00:31:11.820 Zoran Selinger: Yeah, everything.
315 00:31:11.820 ⇒ 00:31:19.070 Uttam Kumaran: to go through an approval step, right? The project plans, playbooks, offers, they come to me for approval.
316 00:31:19.170 ⇒ 00:31:29.409 Uttam Kumaran: And that’s the stamp. So there’s a human in the loop. But AI is gonna help you write those, there’s gonna be in… in here, there’s gonna be playbook guides on what is a great playbook, things like that.
317 00:31:29.540 ⇒ 00:31:32.280 Uttam Kumaran: So, yes, there is gonna be, like, a stamp of approval.
318 00:31:32.470 ⇒ 00:31:38.859 Uttam Kumaran: But I’m… what I’m pushing back to the SLs is that y’all can just start developing them.
319 00:31:38.860 ⇒ 00:31:39.730 Zoran Selinger: You know…
320 00:31:39.730 ⇒ 00:31:47.259 Uttam Kumaran: Cool. So look, it says, matches what we think about a solid technical runbook.
321 00:31:48.300 ⇒ 00:31:49.490 Uttam Kumaran: Here’s the gaps.
322 00:31:55.880 ⇒ 00:31:56.819 Zoran Selinger: Okay. Yep.
323 00:31:58.060 ⇒ 00:31:58.840 Uttam Kumaran: There it is.
324 00:31:58.840 ⇒ 00:31:59.780 Zoran Selinger: I’ll work on those.
325 00:31:59.780 ⇒ 00:32:04.389 Uttam Kumaran: So I think what I want to say in a meta way is if you’re having question.
326 00:32:05.600 ⇒ 00:32:12.560 Uttam Kumaran: try asking the AI first, because you’ll be surprised at how much scaffolding we put There.
327 00:32:12.820 ⇒ 00:32:18.129 Uttam Kumaran: And AI does a good job at seeing what’s already there, and then be like, here’s how you should do it, right?
328 00:32:19.330 ⇒ 00:32:21.710 Uttam Kumaran: So let’s go back to this one, it should have finished.
329 00:32:22.120 ⇒ 00:32:23.019 Uttam Kumaran: If you scroll down…
330 00:32:23.330 ⇒ 00:32:24.300 Zoran Selinger: He did.
331 00:32:25.300 ⇒ 00:32:25.870 Zoran Selinger: So…
332 00:32:25.870 ⇒ 00:32:35.130 Uttam Kumaran: looks like it said it committed onto your Edge playbook. So, I think what you should say is, I don’t want this to be on my Edge playbook.
333 00:32:35.960 ⇒ 00:32:38.609 Uttam Kumaran: branch, I want this to be on a new branch.
334 00:32:39.190 ⇒ 00:32:40.560 Uttam Kumaran: and a new PR.
335 00:32:42.640 ⇒ 00:32:56.780 Uttam Kumaran: So I want to show you, like, kind of how to troubleshoot. Like, AI’s gonna go ahead and do it, right? But I want to show you, like, okay, you could just say, actually, I don’t want it to be on that same branch. The playbook work is different than the new service work, you know?
336 00:33:22.190 ⇒ 00:33:24.270 Zoran Selinger: Indeed. Yeah, indeed.
337 00:33:30.320 ⇒ 00:33:34.209 Zoran Selinger: Cool. Yeah, it’s already… there’s literally a commit.
338 00:33:47.040 ⇒ 00:33:49.609 Zoran Selinger: Oh, actually, are we over time?
339 00:33:50.240 ⇒ 00:33:53.299 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, but I wanna see… I want… I want you to see this whole end-to-end.
340 00:33:53.560 ⇒ 00:33:57.390 Zoran Selinger: No, it’s… yeah, it’s… I’m… I’m fine.
341 00:33:57.390 ⇒ 00:33:58.100 Uttam Kumaran: I’m fine, I mean.
342 00:33:58.100 ⇒ 00:33:59.119 Zoran Selinger: I don’t… yeah.
343 00:33:59.120 ⇒ 00:33:59.590 Uttam Kumaran: I’m also…
344 00:33:59.590 ⇒ 00:34:00.380 Zoran Selinger: Anything?
345 00:34:01.610 ⇒ 00:34:02.719 Uttam Kumaran: I’m here for you to do.
346 00:35:11.590 ⇒ 00:35:12.910 Zoran Selinger: We actually see…
347 00:35:16.340 ⇒ 00:35:18.850 Zoran Selinger: The cursor terminal here.
348 00:35:19.460 ⇒ 00:35:25.590 Uttam Kumaran: Yes, yeah. So this is, like, its terminal, and then you can actually click…
349 00:35:26.270 ⇒ 00:35:28.929 Uttam Kumaran: On the right, it says Wait and Read Terminal.
350 00:35:30.250 ⇒ 00:35:32.120 Uttam Kumaran: D, it’s, like, doing something… Yeah, yeah.
351 00:35:32.400 ⇒ 00:35:33.160 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah.
352 00:35:34.580 ⇒ 00:35:36.090 Uttam Kumaran: So hopefully shortly.
353 00:35:43.300 ⇒ 00:35:47.850 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, so it’s kind of like figuring out how to do all the Git… Changes.
354 00:35:47.850 ⇒ 00:35:48.670 Zoran Selinger: Yeah, yeah.
355 00:36:09.940 ⇒ 00:36:13.450 Zoran Selinger: And then when I do this, then the last step
356 00:36:14.000 ⇒ 00:36:17.250 Zoran Selinger: Is that command… that skill that you created?
357 00:36:17.250 ⇒ 00:36:21.010 Uttam Kumaran: But you don’t even have to say, you can literally just be like.
358 00:36:21.260 ⇒ 00:36:26.140 Uttam Kumaran: make a ticket, ship to PR, and it’ll just do that. And so what you’re gonna see is that
359 00:36:26.270 ⇒ 00:36:32.589 Uttam Kumaran: we’re gonna make it a lot simpler. I don’t want people to think of… think much about, like, what is the perfect skill.
360 00:36:33.280 ⇒ 00:36:40.530 Uttam Kumaran: You sort of just say it, and it’s gonna route to the right… it’s gonna write to the right… it’s gonna route you to the right skill. So I think more of what I want people to learn is just, like.
361 00:36:41.030 ⇒ 00:36:44.969 Uttam Kumaran: Give it, like, your actual intent, like, what your goal is here, you know?
362 00:36:46.940 ⇒ 00:36:50.890 Zoran Selinger: I have the… I have Whisper installed still.
363 00:36:50.890 ⇒ 00:36:53.470 Uttam Kumaran: Hey, so I want you to try to try a different one.
364 00:36:55.090 ⇒ 00:36:56.110 Zoran Selinger: Is that a better one?
365 00:36:56.830 ⇒ 00:37:01.639 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, we’re canceling Whisper, because there’s basically, like, a free one you can just use.
366 00:37:02.410 ⇒ 00:37:04.100 Uttam Kumaran: Use this.
367 00:37:04.290 ⇒ 00:37:09.510 Uttam Kumaran: In the settings, you can also turn on, like, don’t pause music, basically.
368 00:37:10.860 ⇒ 00:37:16.069 Uttam Kumaran: And it’s, like, super fast. I use…
369 00:37:16.520 ⇒ 00:37:20.540 Uttam Kumaran: I’m using the Parakeet V3 model, and it’s, like.
370 00:37:20.930 ⇒ 00:37:23.169 Uttam Kumaran: Halo uses this app as well, it’s really good.
371 00:37:29.950 ⇒ 00:37:31.600 Zoran Selinger: Where’d you send it to me? In the chat?
372 00:37:31.600 ⇒ 00:37:32.580 Uttam Kumaran: In Zoom chat.
373 00:37:32.790 ⇒ 00:37:33.590 Zoran Selinger: Zoom chat.
374 00:37:54.040 ⇒ 00:37:55.279 Zoran Selinger: Hmm, okay.
375 00:37:56.460 ⇒ 00:37:57.890 Zoran Selinger: I’ll look into that.
376 00:37:58.270 ⇒ 00:38:00.999 Zoran Selinger: I just have to get used to it a little bit more.
377 00:38:01.000 ⇒ 00:38:02.260 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
378 00:38:02.760 ⇒ 00:38:08.300 Zoran Selinger: The, the problem with, the problem with, English is, is a little bit because
379 00:38:08.950 ⇒ 00:38:13.120 Zoran Selinger: I’m not really talking at a speed that I…
380 00:38:13.120 ⇒ 00:38:19.940 Uttam Kumaran: No, but dude, this has Croatian, and I think all of your stuff can understand Croatian, so you should just do it in Croatian.
381 00:38:25.950 ⇒ 00:38:26.859 Zoran Selinger: Why is she doing?
382 00:38:28.270 ⇒ 00:38:29.359 Zoran Selinger: No, that’s fine.
383 00:38:34.320 ⇒ 00:38:37.050 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, it’s taking a little bit of time, I feel.
384 00:38:44.500 ⇒ 00:38:47.410 Zoran Selinger: So this is a… you said this is a free tool?
385 00:38:48.360 ⇒ 00:38:52.670 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, so one thing I’m starting to do is, like, Just cutting, like.
386 00:38:53.100 ⇒ 00:38:59.020 Uttam Kumaran: allowing us to consolidate tools and people to… like, this is actually better than Whisper, it’s faster, it runs locally on your machine.
387 00:38:59.020 ⇒ 00:39:03.740 Zoran Selinger: Yeah, I, I need, I need whatever, I need whatever’s faster.
388 00:39:04.480 ⇒ 00:39:07.689 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, Whisper, sometimes there’s a lag, I didn’t like it as much.
389 00:39:13.440 ⇒ 00:39:18.510 Zoran Selinger: At some point this year, I’m gonna… I’m gonna buy a new… new computer.
390 00:39:19.100 ⇒ 00:39:21.860 Zoran Selinger: Still can’t decide on what to do, though.
391 00:39:23.060 ⇒ 00:39:24.940 Zoran Selinger: I’m thinking about, like…
392 00:39:26.470 ⇒ 00:39:34.749 Zoran Selinger: mini PC plus remote access via laptop if I need to go anywhere, or work from outside of the office, or…
393 00:39:36.490 ⇒ 00:39:41.529 Zoran Selinger: to buy a really good laptop, or… I can’t decide what to do.
394 00:39:42.350 ⇒ 00:39:43.940 Uttam Kumaran: I think, like, MacBook…
395 00:39:43.940 ⇒ 00:39:48.030 Zoran Selinger: They’re so much better than PCs, but you just…
396 00:39:49.190 ⇒ 00:39:49.889 Uttam Kumaran: I think you should get a mask.
397 00:39:49.890 ⇒ 00:39:53.859 Zoran Selinger: I used it for a while, it just… I’m not enjoying it.
398 00:39:54.820 ⇒ 00:39:59.420 Uttam Kumaran: You’re gonna find that for the AI stuff, you just need a little bit more RAM, mainly.
399 00:40:03.010 ⇒ 00:40:04.590 Zoran Selinger: I mean, I, like…
400 00:40:05.410 ⇒ 00:40:12.950 Zoran Selinger: when I, when I bought this one, I literally, I got a, pro terminal command, okay?
401 00:40:13.390 ⇒ 00:40:15.360 Zoran Selinger: I bought a really good laptop I like.
402 00:40:16.680 ⇒ 00:40:20.470 Zoran Selinger: Leno X1 Carbon, this is…
403 00:40:20.780 ⇒ 00:40:27.759 Zoran Selinger: that’s the top of the line that I had at the time, and it… it’s still, like, it’s still with me, what?
404 00:40:28.680 ⇒ 00:40:34.800 Zoran Selinger: 7 years later, I only changed a fan in it. That’s it.
405 00:40:36.140 ⇒ 00:40:36.620 Uttam Kumaran: Nice.
406 00:40:36.620 ⇒ 00:40:45.600 Zoran Selinger: So it’s really good, it’s really good. A little bit noisy. But I used, I used, 2020, M1,
407 00:40:46.850 ⇒ 00:40:49.750 Zoran Selinger: And it’s… It’s just amazing.
408 00:40:50.900 ⇒ 00:40:57.089 Uttam Kumaran: Oh, really? I have no… I have a 2020 M1 MacBook Air, but I’m gonna upgrade soon to the M5.
409 00:40:57.090 ⇒ 00:41:04.600 Zoran Selinger: That’s, like, that’s plenty. I mean, you remember that message that I sent you? I got that from a client.
410 00:41:05.390 ⇒ 00:41:07.090 Zoran Selinger: And it’s… it’s sitting.
411 00:41:07.090 ⇒ 00:41:08.550 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, yeah, yeah, you told me, you told me.
412 00:41:08.550 ⇒ 00:41:16.759 Zoran Selinger: Yeah, it’s right next to me, it’s here, but obviously, like, I can’t use it, because I have no idea how much access
413 00:41:17.040 ⇒ 00:41:19.020 Zoran Selinger: Actually, they have on it. How much.
414 00:41:19.020 ⇒ 00:41:19.970 Uttam Kumaran: tasty. Oh…
415 00:41:19.970 ⇒ 00:41:21.839 Zoran Selinger: of what I’m doing. So I don’t think…
416 00:41:21.840 ⇒ 00:41:30.560 Uttam Kumaran: Dude, what, you know what you should do? Yo, you should open that, you should install cursor, and you should ask it. Because it will loop locally and find out.
417 00:41:31.010 ⇒ 00:41:31.650 Zoran Selinger: Yeah.
418 00:41:33.080 ⇒ 00:41:38.429 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, I’m using Cursor to help me organize my, like, internal… my, like, documents and stuff like that as well.
419 00:41:39.440 ⇒ 00:41:41.889 Zoran Selinger: It’s so… it’s… it’s amazing. It just…
420 00:41:42.640 ⇒ 00:41:44.659 Zoran Selinger: When you look at the components.
421 00:41:44.790 ⇒ 00:41:53.389 Zoran Selinger: it shouldn’t be that much faster than really good PCs, but it’s so smooth. It’s so smooth, it’s amazing. Yeah.
422 00:42:04.780 ⇒ 00:42:06.710 Zoran Selinger: So I think we’re stuck here.
423 00:42:10.320 ⇒ 00:42:15.680 Zoran Selinger: I think we’re stuck here, why?
424 00:42:15.960 ⇒ 00:42:18.750 Zoran Selinger: I think I might.
425 00:42:31.170 ⇒ 00:42:34.309 Uttam Kumaran: Okay, let’s see, it should… hopefully it’ll… it’ll… it should finish in a sec.
426 00:42:36.360 ⇒ 00:42:39.329 Zoran Selinger: It just continues to deal with Cherry Peak and…
427 00:42:42.800 ⇒ 00:42:49.800 Zoran Selinger: Seems to me like it’s… Just running the same commands over and over again.
428 00:42:50.150 ⇒ 00:42:51.090 Uttam Kumaran: That’s looping.
429 00:42:52.080 ⇒ 00:42:52.680 Zoran Selinger: Yep.
430 00:42:52.820 ⇒ 00:42:54.720 Zoran Selinger: Seems like it’s loping, yeah.
431 00:42:57.010 ⇒ 00:42:59.769 Zoran Selinger: Let’s give it a couple more tries.
432 00:43:01.660 ⇒ 00:43:05.779 Uttam Kumaran: Another thing you could do… so I always hit… always… I hit Always Allow.
433 00:43:07.230 ⇒ 00:43:09.290 Zoran Selinger: Oh, yeah, yeah, I know, I know.
434 00:43:11.650 ⇒ 00:43:16.650 Zoran Selinger: So don’t trust it. I hear horror stories.
435 00:43:16.650 ⇒ 00:43:21.280 Uttam Kumaran: realize that at some point, the impact will get higher than your, like, need for.
436 00:43:21.280 ⇒ 00:43:21.630 Zoran Selinger: control.
437 00:43:21.630 ⇒ 00:43:23.739 Uttam Kumaran: And then you just let go.
438 00:43:23.740 ⇒ 00:43:24.240 Zoran Selinger: Yeah.
439 00:43:24.240 ⇒ 00:43:25.060 Uttam Kumaran: Fly.
440 00:43:25.530 ⇒ 00:43:31.999 Zoran Selinger: I mean… I mean, here, at least in this, in this repo, it can’t really do much then.
441 00:43:32.000 ⇒ 00:43:36.049 Uttam Kumaran: No, that’s ma- that’s mainly the thing, you know? I mean, but also, look, like…
442 00:43:36.860 ⇒ 00:43:45.880 Uttam Kumaran: Things happen. I’m not… but we’ll… nothing is… we’ll remediate, you know? It’s not like you’re giving it, like, access to everything and being like, delete everything, kill everything.
443 00:43:45.880 ⇒ 00:43:48.690 Zoran Selinger: Yeah, I don’t, I don’t… I mean… Mike?
444 00:43:48.820 ⇒ 00:43:50.140 Zoran Selinger: If I do this…
445 00:43:53.160 ⇒ 00:43:58.200 Zoran Selinger: I might… I might already be authenticated at the mo… right now.
446 00:43:58.420 ⇒ 00:43:58.780 Uttam Kumaran: Amazing.
447 00:43:58.780 ⇒ 00:44:02.470 Zoran Selinger: BigQuery, a CLL.
448 00:44:02.470 ⇒ 00:44:10.100 Uttam Kumaran: But again, like, I’m telling you, it’s not like you’re not going to accidentally, like… it doesn’t just, like… it’s not evil. It’s not a lie.
449 00:44:12.140 ⇒ 00:44:13.480 Zoran Selinger: Exactly.
450 00:44:13.480 ⇒ 00:44:19.099 Uttam Kumaran: Unless you’re literally like, delete this and don’t… don’t look back, like, don’t ever ask me a question ever again.
451 00:44:19.100 ⇒ 00:44:19.710 Zoran Selinger: Boom.
452 00:44:19.710 ⇒ 00:44:22.250 Uttam Kumaran: everything possible. It’s like…
453 00:44:24.750 ⇒ 00:44:27.000 Zoran Selinger: I’ll get there, I’ll get there, I’ll get there.
454 00:44:28.110 ⇒ 00:44:29.380 Zoran Selinger: Oh, yeah.
455 00:44:29.960 ⇒ 00:44:37.040 Zoran Selinger: It’s, It’s, kind of a late adopter in me.
456 00:44:37.980 ⇒ 00:44:38.500 Zoran Selinger: Yo.
457 00:44:38.500 ⇒ 00:44:43.070 Uttam Kumaran: Everybody, you’ll see, and then you’ll be like, oh my god, this is, like, insane.
458 00:44:50.570 ⇒ 00:44:51.500 Zoran Selinger: Yeah, unmute.
459 00:44:52.400 ⇒ 00:44:53.380 Zoran Selinger: Handy.
460 00:44:53.650 ⇒ 00:44:55.609 Zoran Selinger: Can I choose the…
461 00:44:56.090 ⇒ 00:44:58.740 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, you should just choose the parakeet model.
462 00:44:59.430 ⇒ 00:45:05.210 Zoran Selinger: Parakeet, okay. And, why is this?
463 00:45:07.210 ⇒ 00:45:08.399 Zoran Selinger: Where are you?
464 00:45:16.630 ⇒ 00:45:19.060 Zoran Selinger: And the key binding, I can choose that, right?
465 00:45:19.360 ⇒ 00:45:20.040 Uttam Kumaran: Yes.
466 00:45:20.370 ⇒ 00:45:22.320 Uttam Kumaran: So, I put it to my mouse.
467 00:45:23.510 ⇒ 00:45:25.230 Uttam Kumaran: like, so, I have a razor.
468 00:45:25.230 ⇒ 00:45:27.219 Zoran Selinger: Yeah, you have this button? Yeah.
469 00:45:27.470 ⇒ 00:45:29.859 Uttam Kumaran: So then I just press it. Really nice.
470 00:45:34.300 ⇒ 00:45:35.880 Zoran Selinger: 17 megabytes.
471 00:45:37.460 ⇒ 00:45:41.130 Zoran Selinger: That’s pretty… pretty thin. It’s really good.
472 00:45:45.760 ⇒ 00:45:56.209 Zoran Selinger: I mean… If this can work with… well, with 17 megabytes, that’s a pretty good piece of software.
473 00:45:56.840 ⇒ 00:46:01.350 Uttam Kumaran: It’s the model is smaller. Yeah, I mean, dude, it’s… it’s, like, insane. It’s so good.
474 00:46:18.590 ⇒ 00:46:22.000 Zoran Selinger: Yeah, like, there’s… nothing goes to the cloud.
475 00:46:22.470 ⇒ 00:46:23.360 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah.
476 00:46:23.360 ⇒ 00:46:24.520 Zoran Selinger: It’s… everything’s local.
477 00:46:24.520 ⇒ 00:46:31.379 Uttam Kumaran: Also why I wanted to use it. So you’re gonna see, we’re gonna move towards everything owned and local models and stuff soon.
478 00:46:31.770 ⇒ 00:46:34.290 Uttam Kumaran: A lot for data security, it’s also just faster.
479 00:46:40.740 ⇒ 00:46:45.550 Zoran Selinger: Oh, is he finally pushing French to origin?
480 00:46:46.600 ⇒ 00:46:50.530 Zoran Selinger: Moonshine, moonshine, so it’s parakeet, right?
481 00:46:51.230 ⇒ 00:46:52.690 Zoran Selinger: It’s the first one that.
482 00:46:52.690 ⇒ 00:46:53.290 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah.
483 00:46:53.600 ⇒ 00:46:58.380 Zoran Selinger: Oh yeah, yeah, but the model is… 500 megabytes.
484 00:47:01.430 ⇒ 00:47:05.810 Zoran Selinger: Fast and accurate. Cool. How large are the other models?
485 00:47:06.750 ⇒ 00:47:09.630 Zoran Selinger: Yeah, Whisper Small is 500.
486 00:47:11.210 ⇒ 00:47:16.250 Zoran Selinger: Canary… oh, there are Gigabyte models there. Whisper has huge models.
487 00:47:16.740 ⇒ 00:47:20.840 Zoran Selinger: But I see the parakeet is recommended, and you say it’s good.
488 00:47:21.360 ⇒ 00:47:21.940 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah.
489 00:47:22.290 ⇒ 00:47:25.980 Uttam Kumaran: I just tried a bunch this week, and the parakeet is probably the best.
490 00:47:26.300 ⇒ 00:47:26.980 Zoran Selinger: Awesome.
491 00:47:38.580 ⇒ 00:47:41.410 Zoran Selinger: I like small mice for… for…
492 00:47:42.220 ⇒ 00:47:47.179 Zoran Selinger: computer, and it just… I got this Logitech one.
493 00:47:47.890 ⇒ 00:47:51.779 Zoran Selinger: I like, like, minimalism as much as possible.
494 00:47:52.290 ⇒ 00:47:57.940 Zoran Selinger: it started… I don’t… I have it for less than, what, 6 months?
495 00:47:58.150 ⇒ 00:48:02.510 Zoran Selinger: And my… my left click is already, in trouble.
496 00:48:03.360 ⇒ 00:48:04.340 Uttam Kumaran: Oh, really?
497 00:48:04.340 ⇒ 00:48:09.959 Zoran Selinger: Yeah, it just doesn’t click every fifth click, it just doesn’t register.
498 00:48:10.230 ⇒ 00:48:11.579 Zoran Selinger: It’s already done.
499 00:48:11.720 ⇒ 00:48:12.980 Zoran Selinger: Such a shame.
500 00:48:13.260 ⇒ 00:48:14.340 Zoran Selinger: It’s a good one.
501 00:48:24.400 ⇒ 00:48:27.200 Zoran Selinger: Oh, he’s opening a PR already.
502 00:48:27.200 ⇒ 00:48:27.740 Uttam Kumaran: Cool.
503 00:48:29.590 ⇒ 00:48:34.649 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, so yours is, I’m sure, I think it’s low, mainly because of the RAM on your machine.
504 00:48:35.700 ⇒ 00:48:40.340 Uttam Kumaran: So that’s what… You can just check out later, like, how much RAM it’s taking.
505 00:48:41.680 ⇒ 00:48:42.360 Uttam Kumaran: So…
506 00:48:42.950 ⇒ 00:48:49.890 Zoran Selinger: Yeah, I mean, I really need to upgrade. This is, like, almost an 8-year-old… machine.
507 00:48:50.550 ⇒ 00:48:51.400 Zoran Selinger: Go ahead.
508 00:48:51.870 ⇒ 00:48:58.090 Zoran Selinger: I mean, it was almost… It was over… $3,000.
509 00:48:58.460 ⇒ 00:49:00.640 Uttam Kumaran: Wow. Yeah, that’s crazy.
510 00:49:00.640 ⇒ 00:49:02.080 Zoran Selinger: Really expensive machine.
511 00:49:06.870 ⇒ 00:49:07.490 Uttam Kumaran: Dang.
512 00:49:12.460 ⇒ 00:49:17.649 Zoran Selinger: But I’ll be… I’ll be happy to just put it as a backup.
513 00:49:17.650 ⇒ 00:49:18.310 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah.
514 00:49:18.500 ⇒ 00:49:19.070 Zoran Selinger: No.
515 00:49:24.100 ⇒ 00:49:31.180 Zoran Selinger: And he’s… it has… I had trouble with… with the fan. It has non-standard fan.
516 00:49:31.300 ⇒ 00:49:34.669 Zoran Selinger: I was waiting for 2 weeks for the part to arrive.
517 00:49:35.220 ⇒ 00:49:35.900 Uttam Kumaran: Mmm.
518 00:49:35.900 ⇒ 00:49:39.939 Zoran Selinger: Yeah, it was… Okay, so it says this.
519 00:49:40.060 ⇒ 00:49:42.099 Zoran Selinger: Branch, and push.
520 00:49:44.770 ⇒ 00:49:46.780 Uttam Kumaran: Okay, but it says GH is not…
521 00:49:48.560 ⇒ 00:49:51.720 Uttam Kumaran: So this is where, like, you should install GH.
522 00:49:52.730 ⇒ 00:49:53.400 Zoran Selinger: Wow.
523 00:49:55.070 ⇒ 00:49:57.659 Uttam Kumaran: Like, you should install the GitHub CLI.
524 00:49:58.390 ⇒ 00:50:02.769 Zoran Selinger: Yeah, I don’t have it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, okay, sorry, I did not realize.
525 00:50:03.070 ⇒ 00:50:04.810 Zoran Selinger: It… it needs it.
526 00:50:05.130 ⇒ 00:50:05.800 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah.
527 00:50:05.910 ⇒ 00:50:07.729 Uttam Kumaran: Well, it’ll use it if you have it.
528 00:50:09.880 ⇒ 00:50:13.369 Uttam Kumaran: But… but it looks like you can open it, actually. If you just click that link.
529 00:50:14.750 ⇒ 00:50:20.800 Uttam Kumaran: It’ll basically take you to a hyperlink, just to… Open that.
530 00:50:32.850 ⇒ 00:50:35.190 Zoran Selinger: Yeah, and I could just click Create Pull Request.
531 00:50:39.190 ⇒ 00:50:40.080 Zoran Selinger: Awesome.
532 00:50:41.420 ⇒ 00:50:48.300 Zoran Selinger: Okay, I’m gonna take your advice. Okay. I’m gonna start using Handy. But keep, but, but keep, but keep…
533 00:50:48.300 ⇒ 00:50:55.419 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, keep pinging me, dude, like, this is, like, not an individual journey. I want… I just think it takes some belief that, like.
534 00:50:56.070 ⇒ 00:50:58.789 Uttam Kumaran: It takes some belief that, like, it is the right…
535 00:50:59.170 ⇒ 00:51:02.719 Uttam Kumaran: step to increasing leverage. But once… once you…
536 00:51:03.290 ⇒ 00:51:10.979 Uttam Kumaran: once you’re convinced of that, I’ll help you, and the team will help you, sort of, like, get enabled on everything, you know? So…
537 00:51:11.250 ⇒ 00:51:14.170 Uttam Kumaran: So you just ping as you need any… as you have any questions.
538 00:51:15.230 ⇒ 00:51:16.550 Zoran Selinger: Sure, sure, alright.
539 00:51:16.550 ⇒ 00:51:17.120 Uttam Kumaran: Okay.
540 00:51:17.320 ⇒ 00:51:18.400 Zoran Selinger: Thank you so much for your time.
541 00:51:18.400 ⇒ 00:51:19.010 Uttam Kumaran: Okay.
542 00:51:19.010 ⇒ 00:51:22.190 Zoran Selinger: Yeah, thank you, dude. I’m sure we’ll talk plenty about this.
543 00:51:22.190 ⇒ 00:51:23.490 Uttam Kumaran: Definitely. Okay.
544 00:51:23.730 ⇒ 00:51:25.180 Zoran Selinger: I appreciate it. Okay. Cheers.
545 00:51:25.180 ⇒ 00:51:25.730 Uttam Kumaran: Bye.