Meeting Title: Brainforge x Element Project Check-in Date: 2026-04-08 Meeting participants: Greg Stoutenburg, Jasmin Multani
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1 00:00:16.530 ⇒ 00:00:17.239 Greg Stoutenburg: That’s it.
2 00:00:17.560 ⇒ 00:00:18.380 Greg Stoutenburg: Okay.
3 00:00:58.120 ⇒ 00:01:00.860 Greg Stoutenburg: Yeah, my conduct.
4 00:01:03.510 ⇒ 00:01:04.430 Greg Stoutenburg: Okay.
5 00:02:09.080 ⇒ 00:02:11.210 Jasmin Multani: Hey, Greg!
6 00:02:13.000 ⇒ 00:02:15.420 Greg Stoutenburg: Hey, Jasmine. Hey, Jasmine. Good morning.
7 00:02:15.420 ⇒ 00:02:16.770 Jasmin Multani: Good morning!
8 00:02:16.770 ⇒ 00:02:17.810 Greg Stoutenburg: How’s it going?
9 00:02:18.710 ⇒ 00:02:20.170 Jasmin Multani: Busy morning. Busy morning.
10 00:02:20.170 ⇒ 00:02:21.499 Greg Stoutenburg: No, no kidding.
11 00:02:21.500 ⇒ 00:02:29.109 Jasmin Multani: Yeah, I’m like, what? I woke up and I was, like, making breakfast, like, okay, cool, first week at the job, I can ease in.
12 00:02:29.110 ⇒ 00:02:29.520 Greg Stoutenburg: Correctors.
13 00:02:29.520 ⇒ 00:02:33.190 Jasmin Multani: One’s like, escalation. I’m like, oh, okay.
14 00:02:33.390 ⇒ 00:02:34.630 Jasmin Multani: Let’s go!
15 00:02:34.630 ⇒ 00:02:36.280 Greg Stoutenburg: It’s gonna be okay, yeah.
16 00:02:36.280 ⇒ 00:02:36.990 Jasmin Multani: Aye.
17 00:02:36.990 ⇒ 00:02:49.650 Greg Stoutenburg: I know, I was even looking at the clock, thinking, like, I think I sent my initial message, like, hey, you know, we, like, we gotta get someone to look at this. It was, like, 11 a.m. And I did do the math, because I’m like, I know, you know, I know this is your first week, I’m thinking, like, alright, so this is gonna be 8 there.
18 00:02:49.970 ⇒ 00:02:52.110 Greg Stoutenburg: And then within, like, an hour.
19 00:02:52.110 ⇒ 00:02:58.240 Jasmin Multani: Literally 2 hours. No, I also did the math, too, and was like, this was only 8.45 a.m. my time.
20 00:02:58.240 ⇒ 00:02:58.840 Greg Stoutenburg: Yeah.
21 00:02:58.840 ⇒ 00:03:00.839 Jasmin Multani: People know that I don’t log on.
22 00:03:00.840 ⇒ 00:03:01.460 Greg Stoutenburg: Yeah.
23 00:03:01.460 ⇒ 00:03:04.560 Jasmin Multani: Till night. Yeah, so I think it was just,
24 00:03:05.510 ⇒ 00:03:11.659 Jasmin Multani: Maybe, maybe Utham’s like, gotta prime her to not be chill this first week, so…
25 00:03:11.660 ⇒ 00:03:18.210 Greg Stoutenburg: This is the, yeah, this is the baptism, the brain torch speed. Yeah, I know, I remember thinking, like.
26 00:03:18.690 ⇒ 00:03:28.529 Greg Stoutenburg: So, my, my girlfriend works at a non-profit, an environmental non-profit, and their ramp-up period is, a year.
27 00:03:29.270 ⇒ 00:03:30.020 Jasmin Multani: That’s nice.
28 00:03:30.020 ⇒ 00:03:38.070 Greg Stoutenburg: To get used to your role. And so, like, we joke… she’s… she’s a fast mover, too, so we joke about this kind of thing. And, you know…
29 00:03:38.070 ⇒ 00:03:39.040 Jasmin Multani: I screwed up, like…
30 00:03:39.040 ⇒ 00:03:47.120 Greg Stoutenburg: It’s like… I was like, alright, I thought… I thought, like, Stack Overflow was nice when I joined them in 21. I had a 3-month…
31 00:03:47.250 ⇒ 00:03:51.129 Greg Stoutenburg: ramp up. But even then, like, like, I had to be putting out good work within a week, you know?
32 00:03:51.130 ⇒ 00:03:55.380 Jasmin Multani: Yeah, they’re like, you’re being monitored for perforated already.
33 00:03:55.380 ⇒ 00:04:12.959 Greg Stoutenburg: I got, I got canned… then my next job, I got canned for bad fit after 7 weeks. Too slow. Oh, it’s fine. Distant memory. And then, like, the next thing, it’s like, alright, well, I’m not gonna let that happen again, so, you know, within the first, you know, month or whatever, putting out good stuff. Then you come to Brainforge.
34 00:04:13.020 ⇒ 00:04:19.610 Greg Stoutenburg: And it’s like, first day, what have you done day one? Yeah.
35 00:04:19.610 ⇒ 00:04:33.310 Jasmin Multani: Yeah, man, I do feel like it’s the clients. It’s… we’re really backfitting for the clients, because I think Robert’s pretty straightforward. He’s like, just get the work done, even in… Or push it.
36 00:04:33.310 ⇒ 00:04:35.420 Greg Stoutenburg: back, or he’ll say push back, so…
37 00:04:35.420 ⇒ 00:04:38.639 Jasmin Multani: Yeah, yeah, he’s good with boundaries. Yeah.
38 00:04:38.640 ⇒ 00:04:40.370 Greg Stoutenburg: Yeah, sorry, I keep But…
39 00:04:40.370 ⇒ 00:04:49.810 Jasmin Multani: No, no, no, no, I’m just, like, I’ve said, like, I’ve worked with Robert before, I haven’t worked with them, so I think, like, I’m also getting, like, a… being, like, okay, learning about personalities and stuff.
40 00:04:49.810 ⇒ 00:04:53.779 Greg Stoutenburg: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, I think…
41 00:04:53.920 ⇒ 00:04:57.820 Greg Stoutenburg: So, I think something’s going on here, too, is, like, the…
42 00:04:58.640 ⇒ 00:05:15.750 Greg Stoutenburg: the way that they defined… and we don’t… we also just don’t even have to talk about this if we just talk about Element, but I think, like, I think I see, like, a dynamic here. So, I guess, yeah, so I’ll just proceed. So, like, the CSO, SL, and then originally EP Engagement Planner roles were, like, at the beginning of
43 00:05:15.750 ⇒ 00:05:19.599 Greg Stoutenburg: January, they rolled out, here are these three distinct leadership roles that we’re gonna start.
44 00:05:19.980 ⇒ 00:05:35.809 Greg Stoutenburg: working with. They cut the EP role within, like, a month, and went… actually, like, we’ve kind of got cursor skills that do some of this stuff. It was mostly around, like, keeping track of linear and stuff, and then basically moved that into the SL role.
45 00:05:36.000 ⇒ 00:05:42.709 Greg Stoutenburg: So, on the clients that I’ve been working on, on both default and,
46 00:05:42.830 ⇒ 00:06:01.019 Greg Stoutenburg: and Element now, there effectively hasn’t been an SL, except for the things that they’ve looped you in on, prior to you coming on with a, you know, bigger hourly commitment. So I think some of this is like, alright, we’re doing the new SL thing now.
47 00:06:01.420 ⇒ 00:06:06.019 Greg Stoutenburg: You know what I mean? So I think that’s, like, some of it. And it just coincided with your first day.
48 00:06:06.750 ⇒ 00:06:13.810 Jasmin Multani: Yeah, hello, fun! I’m also pushing my friend through the pipeline for interviews, and I’m like.
49 00:06:13.950 ⇒ 00:06:18.210 Jasmin Multani: I hope he does, because the guy who worked at TikTok, Abdullah.
50 00:06:18.210 ⇒ 00:06:24.469 Greg Stoutenburg: Oh, yeah, yeah. Yeah, he was great. I interviewed him the other day, and I think… and I said, yeah, definitely put him to the final round.
51 00:06:24.470 ⇒ 00:06:40.470 Jasmin Multani: Yeah, yeah, yeah, and I think he and I are both similar, where we’re like, we just want to work, have a chill time, and, like, get back to our lives after. Yeah. And I’m, like, seeing everything, I’m like, okay, Abdullah, I think this is a little bit harder than what I anticipated.
52 00:06:40.880 ⇒ 00:06:44.700 Jasmin Multani: Especially from my time with Robert.
53 00:06:44.700 ⇒ 00:06:45.230 Greg Stoutenburg: Yeah.
54 00:06:45.230 ⇒ 00:06:54.800 Jasmin Multani: So, yay. I mean, nothing will ever be as toxic as DoorDash, but, I can see…
55 00:06:55.060 ⇒ 00:06:58.460 Jasmin Multani: I think it’s just a matter of, like, when you have young blood.
56 00:06:58.820 ⇒ 00:07:07.550 Jasmin Multani: I know Shivani is also young, so she wants to, like, use this time to secure equity, whereas, like.
57 00:07:07.850 ⇒ 00:07:10.050 Jasmin Multani: a TikTok, it was like…
58 00:07:10.400 ⇒ 00:07:27.529 Jasmin Multani: so many of our leaders were already seasoned, and they already had kids, they already had wives, like, marriages, like, their life was settled, and they really were at the point of just managing, like, giving advice, and like, being like, oh, you have this idea? Let me unlock it. And they already had the clout within.
59 00:07:27.530 ⇒ 00:07:28.030 Greg Stoutenburg: the company.
60 00:07:28.030 ⇒ 00:07:39.300 Jasmin Multani: to just, like, open doors. Now I’m back in that, like, Youngblood, era, and I’m like, oh, I miss… I miss when my…
61 00:07:39.490 ⇒ 00:07:44.199 Jasmin Multani: Manager was like, late 40s, and would just tell me to slow down. I was like.
62 00:07:44.200 ⇒ 00:07:46.509 Greg Stoutenburg: Right. We’ll be fine, we’ll be fine.
63 00:07:46.510 ⇒ 00:07:47.430 Jasmin Multani: Mine.
64 00:07:47.430 ⇒ 00:07:48.220 Greg Stoutenburg: Yeah.
65 00:07:48.220 ⇒ 00:07:48.670 Jasmin Multani: Yeah.
66 00:07:48.670 ⇒ 00:07:57.399 Greg Stoutenburg: Yeah, no, that’s… it is different, yeah, and no, I’m the same way, and I wanna, you know, turn off Slack at the end of the day, and
67 00:07:58.120 ⇒ 00:08:03.260 Greg Stoutenburg: Yeah, to a degree, for me, it’s always, like, okay, you’re still getting these messages, and it’s 7.
68 00:08:03.500 ⇒ 00:08:05.159 Greg Stoutenburg: Is this an actual emergency?
69 00:08:05.160 ⇒ 00:08:06.960 Jasmin Multani: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
70 00:08:06.960 ⇒ 00:08:09.419 Greg Stoutenburg: Last night, I kind of thought so. I worked till late last night, so…
71 00:08:09.420 ⇒ 00:08:09.880 Jasmin Multani: I don’t.
72 00:08:09.880 ⇒ 00:08:12.260 Greg Stoutenburg: But, yeah, anyway.
73 00:08:12.470 ⇒ 00:08:21.380 Jasmin Multani: But it’s also not… I think it’s counterintuitive. Like, I genuinely think it’s counterintuitive to… Do that constantly,
74 00:08:21.510 ⇒ 00:08:25.209 Jasmin Multani: I have been vocal, I’m like, if I’m pinging someone at
75 00:08:25.380 ⇒ 00:08:33.669 Jasmin Multani: after 6.30, I will always be like, this is for tomorrow, don’t want you to answer, I’m writing it because I’ll forget it.
76 00:08:33.809 ⇒ 00:08:39.189 Greg Stoutenburg: Yeah, and that’s especially helpful, like, as an East Coaster, so I am… I mean, you know, it’s…
77 00:08:39.449 ⇒ 00:08:53.199 Greg Stoutenburg: you deal with one problem or the other. On the… on the East Coast, I wake up to… well, I wake up to things from, well, Robert Newton, because they’re just, you know, they’re founders, they’re gonna work all the time, or people west of me, and there aren’t many.
78 00:08:54.379 ⇒ 00:08:56.899 Greg Stoutenburg: And then, yeah.
79 00:08:57.009 ⇒ 00:09:04.719 Greg Stoutenburg: My last job, though, was for a company where almost everybody was in the UK and Europe. So, I would come in in the morning to just, you know, there’s, like, 20 notifications.
80 00:09:05.370 ⇒ 00:09:09.710 Greg Stoutenburg: There’s even follow-ups and notifications. It’s like, you sent that at 4 in the morning.
81 00:09:09.710 ⇒ 00:09:11.000 Jasmin Multani: And what did you.
82 00:09:11.000 ⇒ 00:09:12.750 Greg Stoutenburg: I wasn’t gonna be awake for a couple hours.
83 00:09:12.750 ⇒ 00:09:13.340 Jasmin Multani: Yeah.
84 00:09:13.340 ⇒ 00:09:18.519 Greg Stoutenburg: The positive side is that no one besides the CEO is ever checking Slack past my 2PM.
85 00:09:18.770 ⇒ 00:09:23.339 Jasmin Multani: Yeah, yeah. Also, I thought the UK had a more chill and relaxed.
86 00:09:23.560 ⇒ 00:09:24.620 Greg Stoutenburg: Yeah, they did.
87 00:09:24.690 ⇒ 00:09:25.900 Jasmin Multani: Really did.
88 00:09:25.900 ⇒ 00:09:29.390 Greg Stoutenburg: Now, there were whole days where I didn’t hear from anybody after 2.
89 00:09:29.840 ⇒ 00:09:31.700 Jasmin Multani: Interesting. Okay, that’s nice.
90 00:09:31.700 ⇒ 00:09:36.819 Greg Stoutenburg: That was nice. That was nice. Especially on those days when I wanted to leave at 4.
91 00:09:36.820 ⇒ 00:09:38.269 Jasmin Multani: It’s like we don’t need…
92 00:09:38.270 ⇒ 00:09:38.990 Greg Stoutenburg: When it comes to that.
93 00:09:38.990 ⇒ 00:09:40.770 Jasmin Multani: Like, lights were still on.
94 00:09:40.770 ⇒ 00:09:42.880 Greg Stoutenburg: I’m just gonna turn this off right.
95 00:09:42.880 ⇒ 00:09:43.980 Jasmin Multani: Yeah, yeah.
96 00:09:43.980 ⇒ 00:09:46.730 Greg Stoutenburg: Anyway, yeah, so…
97 00:09:48.200 ⇒ 00:09:56.990 Jasmin Multani: Okay, so, transition. So, talking about Element, Advic gave me good feedback about what he needs.
98 00:09:57.010 ⇒ 00:10:08.080 Jasmin Multani: He mentioned that he, with the POS Velocity dashboard, the reason he was able to have a fast turnaround of a couple of hours of building that dashboard
99 00:10:08.080 ⇒ 00:10:24.299 Jasmin Multani: it’s because, like, the topics were already vetted, and, like, by the time he had to start the dashboard, the topics were perfect, and already approved. So he’s telling me that, hey, it’s gonna take more than a couple of hours to finish out these, net new dashboard asks.
100 00:10:24.370 ⇒ 00:10:42.460 Jasmin Multani: And we’ve asked, like, 3, 4 wholesale as well, right? He’s told me that, like, you know, it’s gonna take a little bit longer because he’ll start off with a topic at hand, build a dashboard, and then realize, actually, this is not answering the core question.
101 00:10:42.460 ⇒ 00:10:42.890 Greg Stoutenburg: Okay.
102 00:10:42.890 ⇒ 00:10:53.810 Jasmin Multani: So, I think the way I will redo my, dashboard spec list is building towards the topics first. Yeah.
103 00:10:54.120 ⇒ 00:10:57.830 Jasmin Multani: And then being like, okay, when the topics are built, these are…
104 00:10:58.270 ⇒ 00:11:04.140 Jasmin Multani: These are, like, the handful of topics that’ll get billed that should hit multiple questions.
105 00:11:04.140 ⇒ 00:11:04.520 Greg Stoutenburg: Yes.
106 00:11:04.520 ⇒ 00:11:07.709 Jasmin Multani: right now, I think I’ve been advising on, like, hey.
107 00:11:08.190 ⇒ 00:11:17.409 Jasmin Multani: dashboard to questions, rather than, and then not being mindful of the topics that are being built, but now I think mapping should be, like, topics to…
108 00:11:18.020 ⇒ 00:11:20.079 Jasmin Multani: questions, and yes.
109 00:11:20.080 ⇒ 00:11:24.029 Greg Stoutenburg: It should be, yes, it should be topics, then dashboards.
110 00:11:24.030 ⇒ 00:11:24.530 Jasmin Multani: Yeah.
111 00:11:24.530 ⇒ 00:11:28.460 Greg Stoutenburg: That’s… that’s the… that’s the order. So,
112 00:11:28.860 ⇒ 00:11:31.139 Greg Stoutenburg: Let me just check this, this is the current milestone.
113 00:11:32.740 ⇒ 00:11:35.179 Greg Stoutenburg: Navigation and linear is funny. So…
114 00:11:35.370 ⇒ 00:11:53.759 Greg Stoutenburg: a little bit… I’m surprised to hear that he passed that up, because, I mean, for retail, he built the topics first, and then did the dashboard, so… Yeah. The intent was that that… that that would be the pattern. And so, yeah, that’s why… that’s why this is here before… oops.
115 00:11:54.220 ⇒ 00:11:58.839 Greg Stoutenburg: That’s why wholesale Topic is here before Wholesale Dashboard.
116 00:11:58.840 ⇒ 00:11:59.460 Jasmin Multani: Hmm.
117 00:11:59.860 ⇒ 00:12:06.489 Greg Stoutenburg: Yeah, so I… I don’t know, but in any case, it… it has to… Yeah, so, so he’s…
118 00:12:07.110 ⇒ 00:12:17.059 Greg Stoutenburg: Sorry, I’m tripping over my words. So, the retail topics are in good shape. How is he doing on retail dashboarding? I asked him an hour ago, but I just want to see what he may have said to you.
119 00:12:17.060 ⇒ 00:12:24.560 Jasmin Multani: I think he’s still working on it, he’s still working on Dashboard 1, and I, I think,
120 00:12:25.080 ⇒ 00:12:32.789 Jasmin Multani: the… the… his impression is that finish out Dashboard 1, 2, and 3 for retail, and then start on wholesale.
121 00:12:32.790 ⇒ 00:12:35.710 Greg Stoutenburg: Yes, that’s a… that’s the plan. Okay, and then…
122 00:12:35.710 ⇒ 00:12:37.749 Jasmin Multani: Yeah, wholesale topic.
123 00:12:38.160 ⇒ 00:12:46.770 Jasmin Multani: should be built out. I think, because I’ve already given him the specs, he’s like, okay, this feels good, I can match the topics to the specs.
124 00:12:46.850 ⇒ 00:12:55.030 Jasmin Multani: And then, but he, he said that his preference would be… his feedback to me is, can you give me the specs?
125 00:12:55.030 ⇒ 00:13:08.710 Jasmin Multani: Before I even get started on topics. So I’m like, okay, I think, I wasn’t being mindful of that. So, that’s good feedback for me, and it’ll also tell me how to, like, write things out, template form.
126 00:13:08.710 ⇒ 00:13:09.300 Greg Stoutenburg: Okay.
127 00:13:09.500 ⇒ 00:13:21.389 Jasmin Multani: So that’s good. And I just wanted to validate… we’re… we’re telling Shivani that all three dashboards for retail will be done.
128 00:13:21.660 ⇒ 00:13:22.810 Jasmin Multani: By end of week?
129 00:13:23.390 ⇒ 00:13:35.640 Greg Stoutenburg: The plan in linear that we’ve reviewed with her is that all dashboards… first version of all dashboards for retail and wholesale, prepared for QA with her is end of this week.
130 00:13:35.840 ⇒ 00:13:41.799 Jasmin Multani: Okay, and the… I’m the blocker for wholesale, right? Because I haven’t cut the tickets properly?
131 00:13:41.980 ⇒ 00:13:45.430 Greg Stoutenburg: So, reviewing the wholesale spec.
132 00:13:46.200 ⇒ 00:13:58.379 Greg Stoutenburg: the new wholesale spec. So, what I was trying to say in that thread is that I created… I just created a new one, because the first one was broken, and you pointed it out. So, and, I mean, a big reason why it was broken
133 00:13:58.850 ⇒ 00:14:00.590 Greg Stoutenburg: Is that the…
134 00:14:01.100 ⇒ 00:14:19.720 Greg Stoutenburg: the tables that it was referencing, similar to the first version of the retail spec, the tables that were referenced in both the retail spec and the wholesale spec didn’t exist. And the reason I didn’t catch it is because they resembled names of tables that do exist, but Cursor just, like, hallucinated them from previous conversations or something.
135 00:14:19.720 ⇒ 00:14:20.160 Jasmin Multani: Oh no!
136 00:14:20.160 ⇒ 00:14:20.720 Greg Stoutenburg: And so…
137 00:14:20.720 ⇒ 00:14:21.120 Jasmin Multani: Yay!
138 00:14:21.120 ⇒ 00:14:23.420 Greg Stoutenburg: Advay pointed this out yesterday morning.
139 00:14:23.870 ⇒ 00:14:38.970 Greg Stoutenburg: showed me how to create a branch of Omni, so I pulled all the tables, from the most up-to-date Omni branch, and then redid the retail spec, but all the… because the dashboard specs themselves, like, put this cell here.
140 00:14:39.070 ⇒ 00:14:52.700 Greg Stoutenburg: make this one represent that. That was all good. All I had to do was update the table names. But then for the wholesale spec, when I looked at all of your comments, and how, like, broken it was, and didn’t correspond to the fields, I just created an entirely new document.
141 00:14:53.360 ⇒ 00:14:54.220 Jasmin Multani: Okay, alright.
142 00:14:54.220 ⇒ 00:15:02.199 Greg Stoutenburg: updated the table names, and also, I was able to just sort of steer it better, and then do a bunch of edits so that the.
143 00:15:02.200 ⇒ 00:15:02.550 Jasmin Multani: I looked.
144 00:15:02.550 ⇒ 00:15:06.780 Greg Stoutenburg: better. So, the wholesale spec, that’s…
145 00:15:08.360 ⇒ 00:15:10.529 Greg Stoutenburg: Here, let’s drop it in this chat.
146 00:15:12.060 ⇒ 00:15:16.359 Greg Stoutenburg: this is the updated version that I’d like to get your eyes on.
147 00:15:16.360 ⇒ 00:15:16.800 Jasmin Multani: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
148 00:15:16.800 ⇒ 00:15:28.140 Greg Stoutenburg: It was built with reference to the dashboard and deck guidelines that you created in Notion, and that I created a skill for in Cursor, and there are even comments in
149 00:15:28.240 ⇒ 00:15:30.219 Greg Stoutenburg: Various places to that effect.
150 00:15:31.560 ⇒ 00:15:33.969 Jasmin Multani: Yeah. How long does it… what…
151 00:15:34.210 ⇒ 00:15:51.140 Jasmin Multani: I’m very cursor-resistant skill when I’m, developing these docs, like, maybe it’s a bad old habit, maybe it’s, like, a control issue thing, but, how long… what do you… what would you say is, like, the time trade-off of using this skill and, developing
152 00:15:51.410 ⇒ 00:15:53.130 Jasmin Multani: A document on your own.
153 00:15:53.160 ⇒ 00:16:02.030 Greg Stoutenburg: I mean, it depends what it is, like, for this, Utam and Garrett separately, just now, both created a skill to do this.
154 00:16:02.080 ⇒ 00:16:18.610 Greg Stoutenburg: And, you know, we’ll try them out and see how they go. But this was not created with a skill. This was created with me saying, I just wrote a prompt in cursor, and said, reference this doc, and this doc, and this doc, and this doc, and,
155 00:16:18.610 ⇒ 00:16:33.670 Greg Stoutenburg: and best practices for a CPG business, and I want to create wholesale, dashboards. Specify that they need to answer these four questions in the Establishing Omniaccelerator memo, and the data platform documentation.
156 00:16:34.010 ⇒ 00:16:39.269 Greg Stoutenburg: And then uploaded the, the tables themselves, so that…
157 00:16:40.010 ⇒ 00:16:42.359 Greg Stoutenburg: References to tables would be accurate.
158 00:16:43.090 ⇒ 00:16:46.410 Jasmin Multani: Yeah. Okay, okay, okay. Mmm.
159 00:16:46.710 ⇒ 00:16:52.149 Jasmin Multani: I agree with, like, the writing part, and… the formatting part.
160 00:16:52.890 ⇒ 00:16:58.910 Jasmin Multani: Ugh, I just have to… I’ll have to, like, do it, my… I hate… I hate leaning on…
161 00:16:59.020 ⇒ 00:17:05.450 Jasmin Multani: AI. I just use it as, like, a supplemental thing, but I think, because we have so many clients.
162 00:17:05.700 ⇒ 00:17:13.749 Jasmin Multani: And so many tables, and things are, like, there’s so much context switching, that I’m eventually gonna have to, like, figure out how to work with.
163 00:17:14.109 ⇒ 00:17:17.229 Jasmin Multani: Damn thought. I know. But…
164 00:17:17.230 ⇒ 00:17:27.329 Greg Stoutenburg: It’s been an adjustment, and it is… this is definitely a Brainforge thing. Like, I mean, the positive side is I… I was already using AI to do some neat things before I started here, but, like.
165 00:17:27.760 ⇒ 00:17:32.870 Greg Stoutenburg: my… what I can do now is so much more than it was in the middle of January.
166 00:17:33.190 ⇒ 00:17:38.570 Greg Stoutenburg: But yeah, the downside is, like, the idea that AI will free up your time.
167 00:17:38.700 ⇒ 00:17:44.269 Greg Stoutenburg: It’s not the case. You will just work faster, because you are now the blocker.
168 00:17:44.270 ⇒ 00:17:45.750 Jasmin Multani: Yeah, and then…
169 00:17:45.750 ⇒ 00:17:46.290 Greg Stoutenburg: dope.
170 00:17:46.290 ⇒ 00:17:52.539 Jasmin Multani: I just… yeah, I just worry about how much time I have to spend vetting the AI,
171 00:17:52.540 ⇒ 00:17:53.300 Greg Stoutenburg: Yeah.
172 00:17:53.590 ⇒ 00:17:54.700 Greg Stoutenburg: Well, if we…
173 00:17:55.260 ⇒ 00:18:04.580 Greg Stoutenburg: Yeah, if we could have a good, you know, I mean, perhaps version 1 is a manually written, tight, two-page dashboard spec that just lays out a template.
174 00:18:04.740 ⇒ 00:18:09.369 Greg Stoutenburg: And then… and then make that part of a context for a skill.
175 00:18:09.800 ⇒ 00:18:10.300 Jasmin Multani: Yeah.
176 00:18:10.300 ⇒ 00:18:13.399 Greg Stoutenburg: And then, the skill needs to do things like prompt
177 00:18:13.600 ⇒ 00:18:27.469 Greg Stoutenburg: client name, say, give me the omnitables from the branch, say, give me the data platform documentation, or something like that, right? So it gets all the inputs, and then outputs this nice, clean deliverable that would be easy to review at a glance.
178 00:18:27.470 ⇒ 00:18:34.730 Jasmin Multani: Yeah, yeah. And then I think we should do, like, a follow-up, like, an additional step, where, where we prompt the user, hey.
179 00:18:35.190 ⇒ 00:18:37.919 Jasmin Multani: Verify these core things.
180 00:18:37.920 ⇒ 00:18:38.310 Greg Stoutenburg: Yeah.
181 00:18:38.310 ⇒ 00:18:51.010 Jasmin Multani: In case, like, the AI is hallucinating. Yeah. Because that’s… I’ve worked with… I’ve had so many answers from AI, and I’m like, this is literally not true.
182 00:18:51.010 ⇒ 00:18:51.330 Greg Stoutenburg: Right.
183 00:18:51.330 ⇒ 00:18:55.759 Jasmin Multani: Not, not from Cursor, but from, like, DeepSeek, and…
184 00:18:55.760 ⇒ 00:18:56.260 Greg Stoutenburg: -
185 00:18:56.260 ⇒ 00:19:02.600 Jasmin Multani: sometimes Gemini, too, and I do feel like Gemini’s, output has dropped.
186 00:19:03.120 ⇒ 00:19:08.369 Jasmin Multani: Over the past year, like, month over month, quarter over quarter, I’m like, this is much worse.
187 00:19:08.580 ⇒ 00:19:20.280 Jasmin Multani: than what I was getting. So that’s why I’m very… I’m still very, like, anti-machine right now. But I agree that, like, there’s so much context switching that, like, it’s…
188 00:19:20.620 ⇒ 00:19:21.310 Jasmin Multani: Boop.
189 00:19:21.310 ⇒ 00:19:27.970 Greg Stoutenburg: Yeah, yeah. So, I mean, other people probably do it differently, but, like, just for what it’s worth, like, my…
190 00:19:28.460 ⇒ 00:19:33.980 Greg Stoutenburg: cursor… and I, I mean, I prefer Claude, the UI’s better, the connections are better, but…
191 00:19:33.980 ⇒ 00:19:34.640 Jasmin Multani: Yeah.
192 00:19:34.640 ⇒ 00:19:38.899 Greg Stoutenburg: this is a cursor shop, so, like, I have…
193 00:19:39.370 ⇒ 00:19:54.629 Greg Stoutenburg: I just have, like, at any given time, I might open up a couple of different things, like, you know, here, like, just this morning, first thing, I’m preparing to meet with a stakeholder, I know I need to pitch for Q2, and, like, but I’ve never talked to this person. So, like, I need some context on…
194 00:19:55.200 ⇒ 00:20:05.790 Greg Stoutenburg: what to talk about. I guess, ask, you know? So, like, at any given time, I’ll have a handful of these, and then, you know, I’ll go on a call or whatever, and go, alright, let’s see what the updates were for these things.
195 00:20:06.000 ⇒ 00:20:07.830 Greg Stoutenburg: So, yeah.
196 00:20:08.740 ⇒ 00:20:09.120 Jasmin Multani: Okay.
197 00:20:09.120 ⇒ 00:20:13.239 Greg Stoutenburg: Anyway, back to your idea, though, about, like, how a skill for this might work.
198 00:20:13.700 ⇒ 00:20:15.629 Greg Stoutenburg: Something that could be helpful is, like.
199 00:20:16.150 ⇒ 00:20:34.690 Greg Stoutenburg: or if it flagged things to ask the stakeholder before finalizing the output, that might be helpful, too. Because, like, for the retail spec, I haven’t heard back from Shivani since I offered a time slot, but for the retail spec, like, it’s a little intimidating to put 15 pages of detailed stuff in front of Shivani.
200 00:20:35.470 ⇒ 00:20:48.530 Greg Stoutenburg: feedback’s gonna be, you know what I mean? Especially when I already know what the hangups are likely to be. So it’d be helpful if the skill were like, okay, before you… before I build this spec, verify the following with the stakeholder.
201 00:20:49.190 ⇒ 00:20:50.790 Greg Stoutenburg: You know what I mean? Like…
202 00:20:50.980 ⇒ 00:20:51.949 Jasmin Multani: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
203 00:20:51.950 ⇒ 00:20:57.739 Greg Stoutenburg: defining a week as from, just like Walmart does, Saturday to Friday, or, like, that kind of…
204 00:20:57.740 ⇒ 00:20:58.690 Jasmin Multani: Yes, yay.
205 00:20:58.690 ⇒ 00:21:01.940 Greg Stoutenburg: out there thing, but also, like, important.
206 00:21:01.940 ⇒ 00:21:03.400 Jasmin Multani: the guardrails. Guard rails.
207 00:21:03.400 ⇒ 00:21:03.770 Greg Stoutenburg: Yeah.
208 00:21:03.770 ⇒ 00:21:05.140 Jasmin Multani: In the flow, yeah, yeah.
209 00:21:05.140 ⇒ 00:21:08.190 Greg Stoutenburg: Yeah, exactly. So… No.
210 00:21:08.360 ⇒ 00:21:13.449 Jasmin Multani: Okay, this is helpful. I’ll respond back to the Element channel, being like, hey, this is what…
211 00:21:13.590 ⇒ 00:21:31.830 Jasmin Multani: to, like, shorten time, and make sure everything… everyone is on the same page, asynchronously. These are the things we’re gonna build, and this is the feedback that Audvit, the analyst, has given, to make sure that he’s set up for success, because I feel like these specs…
212 00:21:32.480 ⇒ 00:21:36.620 Jasmin Multani: The two audience members are, like, the analysts who are building it.
213 00:21:36.620 ⇒ 00:21:36.980 Greg Stoutenburg: Yep.
214 00:21:36.980 ⇒ 00:21:39.030 Jasmin Multani: The clients who are… Yeah.
215 00:21:39.760 ⇒ 00:21:45.520 Jasmin Multani: paying us. So, I’m gonna redo the specs so that it fits their needs.
216 00:21:46.080 ⇒ 00:21:50.140 Jasmin Multani: I’m also gonna build dashboards on my own, and I’m like…
217 00:21:50.370 ⇒ 00:22:03.040 Jasmin Multani: I don’t even feel good about giving advice right now, because I’ve never built a topic or a dashboard around me. I need to finish out the certification, and, from there, it’ll be good.
218 00:22:03.040 ⇒ 00:22:10.790 Greg Stoutenburg: Okay, yeah, sounds good. As well, so this is a, you know, it’s an SL kind of thing, it’s just, like, keeping the project going toward the.
219 00:22:10.790 ⇒ 00:22:11.200 Jasmin Multani: Yes.
220 00:22:11.200 ⇒ 00:22:13.819 Greg Stoutenburg: established timelines, so if you could update
221 00:22:14.150 ⇒ 00:22:17.739 Greg Stoutenburg: I mean, if you need to, or, update,
222 00:22:17.860 ⇒ 00:22:29.639 Greg Stoutenburg: the linear board for this initiative, and then if anything looks like it’s, you know, going to slip or whatever, like, you know, please call it out. I mean, I’m confident that
223 00:22:29.910 ⇒ 00:22:44.490 Greg Stoutenburg: we can get this done by the end of the week, but it might take some, like, explicit, you know, conversation, like, you know, hey, Utam, like, we need to get Avay. He needs to delay this other thing for this other client, because we need another 5 hours, or whatever.
224 00:22:44.490 ⇒ 00:22:44.910 Jasmin Multani: Oh, yeah.
225 00:22:44.910 ⇒ 00:22:49.369 Greg Stoutenburg: So, just wanted to, yeah, call that out as well.
226 00:22:49.970 ⇒ 00:22:53.859 Jasmin Multani: Also, don’t we already have an 8am on Friday with Shivani?
227 00:23:00.770 ⇒ 00:23:02.389 Jasmin Multani: Am I hallucinating?
228 00:23:02.390 ⇒ 00:23:03.230 Greg Stoutenburg: I don’t.
229 00:23:03.900 ⇒ 00:23:04.850 Greg Stoutenburg: The next thing I see…
230 00:23:04.850 ⇒ 00:23:11.109 Jasmin Multani: Oh, wait, it’s a supply chain conversation, so it’s not an update, it’s just a supply chain thing.
231 00:23:11.110 ⇒ 00:23:13.970 Greg Stoutenburg: Okay, yeah, the weekly with her will be tomorrow.
232 00:23:16.100 ⇒ 00:23:20.150 Jasmin Multani: Yeah. Okay, I have to set things up.
233 00:23:20.770 ⇒ 00:23:21.460 Greg Stoutenburg: Yeah.
234 00:23:21.460 ⇒ 00:23:24.329 Jasmin Multani: I have a lot to do. .
235 00:23:24.940 ⇒ 00:23:37.680 Greg Stoutenburg: Yeah, so just let me know about those things, because, you know, if I’m going to be talking to her in half an hour or something, I’d want to be able to say, like, hey, you know, even if it’s like, hey, we’re gonna be, like, two days later on those wholesale ones.
236 00:23:37.680 ⇒ 00:23:38.230 Jasmin Multani: Yeah.
237 00:23:38.230 ⇒ 00:23:44.749 Greg Stoutenburg: I don’t think she’ll care, but I don’t want to go and say everything’s on track, and then the next, you know, 4 hours later, go, actually, no, they’re not.
238 00:23:45.810 ⇒ 00:23:51.640 Jasmin Multani: Okay, okay, so let me jam on that right now. I know I have to meet up with Garrett in person.
239 00:23:52.740 ⇒ 00:23:55.689 Jasmin Multani: Later in the afternoon.
240 00:23:55.780 ⇒ 00:23:56.729 Greg Stoutenburg: Go ahead. Okay.
241 00:23:59.540 ⇒ 00:24:17.890 Jasmin Multani: Between 12 and 2, I wanna… I wanna get this done, this, this sign-off before 12, so I can get to see Garrett in person. Okay. So the team in person. So I’ll jam on that, and then we’ll just be in tight conversation. I’ll be on my phone.
242 00:24:17.890 ⇒ 00:24:24.160 Jasmin Multani: For any responses. Okay. And then, yeah, that’s just my timeline.
243 00:24:24.340 ⇒ 00:24:25.939 Greg Stoutenburg: Okay, sounds good.
244 00:24:26.310 ⇒ 00:24:27.400 Jasmin Multani: Cool.
245 00:24:27.450 ⇒ 00:24:29.469 Greg Stoutenburg: Alright, thanks. Talk soon. See ya.