Meeting Title: Brainforge Dashboard Spec Review Date: 2026-04-08 Meeting participants: Greg Stoutenburg, Uttam Kumaran
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1 00:13:06.500 ⇒ 00:13:07.690 Uttam Kumaran: Hello!
2 00:13:07.930 ⇒ 00:13:11.720 Uttam Kumaran: Sorry, I just got out of this, polyatomic thing.
3 00:13:11.860 ⇒ 00:13:12.930 Greg Stoutenburg: No problem.
4 00:13:12.930 ⇒ 00:13:14.660 Uttam Kumaran: And I have… I forgot.
5 00:13:15.610 ⇒ 00:13:16.859 Uttam Kumaran: Oh, okay, okay.
6 00:13:16.860 ⇒ 00:13:18.379 Greg Stoutenburg: I heard your voice, though.
7 00:13:18.970 ⇒ 00:13:23.950 Uttam Kumaran: And I have a… I have a spec for you, so I want you to love… let’s… I would love… I mean…
8 00:13:24.460 ⇒ 00:13:27.080 Uttam Kumaran: I’d love to say hi as well, but.
9 00:13:27.270 ⇒ 00:13:27.880 Greg Stoutenburg: Bye.
10 00:13:27.880 ⇒ 00:13:34.089 Uttam Kumaran: I feel like I’ve banged this thing out, and I have a good perspective on, like, Okay, I think…
11 00:13:34.420 ⇒ 00:13:53.899 Uttam Kumaran: it’s… I’m basically gonna, like, tell everybody, like, there shouldn’t be a document that comes out without coming out of some template. Like, you know? I don’t know what… I feel like the types of documents we produce are pretty defined, you know? And if they’re not, we should define them, like… Yeah. People always sent me, like, hey, here’s what’s new in Emerson, and I’m like.
12 00:13:54.640 ⇒ 00:13:56.629 Uttam Kumaran: Why don’t we just have, like, a source?
13 00:13:56.890 ⇒ 00:14:02.079 Uttam Kumaran: overview thing. You can add an… you can add an update when new things come. I was like.
14 00:14:02.080 ⇒ 00:14:02.530 Greg Stoutenburg: Yep.
15 00:14:02.530 ⇒ 00:14:06.169 Uttam Kumaran: Work on that, and then apply it here, because this dock is unusable, you know?
16 00:14:06.170 ⇒ 00:14:18.300 Greg Stoutenburg: Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I think, you know, the more clearly defined service offerings continue to get, the closer you’ll get to that, you know, that holy state of, everything just comes out of a template. Yeah.
17 00:14:18.800 ⇒ 00:14:26.010 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah. And, I mean, I… so, I feel like today’s conflict is good. Like, I think you’re gonna see me…
18 00:14:26.170 ⇒ 00:14:33.470 Uttam Kumaran: I’m not… I’m going to esca… if things get escalated, I’m going to be very loud about it, because we have everybody in place.
19 00:14:33.880 ⇒ 00:14:35.060 Greg Stoutenburg: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
20 00:14:35.060 ⇒ 00:14:38.089 Uttam Kumaran: Before I… like, what I’m, like, it’s sort of like…
21 00:14:38.580 ⇒ 00:14:47.350 Uttam Kumaran: probably wolf, like, okay, I’m just gonna… I’ll just do it, let’s… we’re just all help to figure it out. Now, I’m like, there is a person, this is the stated responsibility.
22 00:14:47.510 ⇒ 00:14:48.180 Greg Stoutenburg: Yeah.
23 00:14:48.810 ⇒ 00:14:51.420 Uttam Kumaran: It’s, like, noon Central.
24 00:14:51.760 ⇒ 00:14:52.290 Greg Stoutenburg: Yup.
25 00:14:52.290 ⇒ 00:14:55.509 Uttam Kumaran: We’re… this is the worst client to ever be unprepared on.
26 00:14:56.700 ⇒ 00:15:02.210 Uttam Kumaran: And I’m not gonna let that fucking… I’m not gonna let that happen, but I’m also not gonna be quiet. I’m gonna be very annoying.
27 00:15:02.700 ⇒ 00:15:08.460 Uttam Kumaran: that I’m escalating and I’m taking over, and then I’m also gonna do the annoying thing, which is…
28 00:15:08.850 ⇒ 00:15:15.919 Uttam Kumaran: Pip so much stuff in, like, 60 minutes that will make your… make you feel really, really guilty, you know?
29 00:15:16.670 ⇒ 00:15:17.340 Uttam Kumaran: Which is…
30 00:15:17.340 ⇒ 00:15:20.930 Greg Stoutenburg: You’ve heard of vibe coding. This is guilt coding.
31 00:15:20.930 ⇒ 00:15:22.809 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, and I just feel like…
32 00:15:23.450 ⇒ 00:15:27.020 Uttam Kumaran: I don’t know, I think that that’s how I think about
33 00:15:27.090 ⇒ 00:15:44.050 Uttam Kumaran: pushing, like, you know, and I think the conflict today was good. Like, Jasmine actually DM’d me, like, hey, I didn’t… I thought I gave Greg this info. I’m like, one, put this in the channel. Like, Greg… Greg could handle it, what do you mean? Second, I also sent a bunch of other messages. Let’s…
34 00:15:44.300 ⇒ 00:15:44.810 Uttam Kumaran: But yeah.
35 00:15:44.810 ⇒ 00:15:45.400 Greg Stoutenburg: Yeah.
36 00:15:45.400 ⇒ 00:15:47.469 Uttam Kumaran: going. Day started, and we’re…
37 00:15:47.470 ⇒ 00:16:00.210 Greg Stoutenburg: Yeah, yeah. No, and I… and I did tell her, I was like, I was like, hey, like, I did… I responded to the channel, I was like, like, hey, I did acknowledge that you gave me feedback on Monday, like, so… like, that was there, but that’s not… like, that’s not what I’m asking about right now.
38 00:16:00.210 ⇒ 00:16:01.339 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, yeah, yeah. And so that’s…
39 00:16:01.340 ⇒ 00:16:07.420 Greg Stoutenburg: It’s a Monday. It’s Wednesday now. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I think this is one where, like, I think…
40 00:16:07.710 ⇒ 00:16:16.300 Greg Stoutenburg: I mean, my read from talking to her is that Shivani feels fine about our progress, everything’s going fine. This was more one where it’s like, but I need to have something to say.
41 00:16:16.300 ⇒ 00:16:21.569 Uttam Kumaran: No, but Greg, I agree with you, but that does It can’t change pretty fast.
42 00:16:21.570 ⇒ 00:16:22.650 Greg Stoutenburg: Well, exactly, right.
43 00:16:22.650 ⇒ 00:16:25.370 Uttam Kumaran: I’m like, when you have the lead, we lap, and I’m like.
44 00:16:25.370 ⇒ 00:16:26.280 Greg Stoutenburg: Right.
45 00:16:26.280 ⇒ 00:16:40.059 Uttam Kumaran: We’re doing this… we’re doing this transition, and what I don’t want to do, and what the risk is, is if they present tomorrow, and both Jasmine and Robert are like, oh, we haven’t had a chance to understand, like, your business.
46 00:16:41.140 ⇒ 00:16:46.940 Uttam Kumaran: Like, I’m not gonna let that happen. I’m not gonna let that happen. So today, I don’t…
47 00:16:47.080 ⇒ 00:16:56.220 Uttam Kumaran: feel like they’re ready, I’m gonna make it extremely obvious how disappointed I am, and then I’m going to come in, and I will run that meeting.
48 00:16:56.950 ⇒ 00:16:58.129 Uttam Kumaran: I’m gonna be like.
49 00:16:59.000 ⇒ 00:17:05.010 Uttam Kumaran: what happened here? Like, it’s 3 days, like, you know? But one thing I’m happy is, like, it’s Wednesday.
50 00:17:05.130 ⇒ 00:17:08.350 Uttam Kumaran: I’m also… your stuff is going… like, your stuff is going well.
51 00:17:08.849 ⇒ 00:17:15.320 Uttam Kumaran: It’s just, like, putting a spec together… I’ve… this is probably the fifth time I’ve asked for the spec in, like, the last 4 weeks.
52 00:17:15.430 ⇒ 00:17:23.800 Uttam Kumaran: And I asked again and again, because it’s up to the service lead to do templates, and to do this thing.
53 00:17:23.890 ⇒ 00:17:24.730 Greg Stoutenburg: But…
54 00:17:24.730 ⇒ 00:17:30.589 Uttam Kumaran: That’s why I’m like, okay, it’s not happened, there’s some communication gap, I’m going to do it.
55 00:17:30.850 ⇒ 00:17:33.450 Uttam Kumaran: It’s going to be… It’s gonna work.
56 00:17:33.850 ⇒ 00:17:34.360 Greg Stoutenburg: Yup.
57 00:17:34.360 ⇒ 00:17:38.210 Uttam Kumaran: But I’m gonna be like, this is exactly what you should have done. Yeah.
58 00:17:38.210 ⇒ 00:17:39.990 Greg Stoutenburg: Yeah, yeah, right? Yeah. Right.
59 00:17:39.990 ⇒ 00:17:43.539 Uttam Kumaran: So, it’s okay. I think it’s good, so…
60 00:17:43.540 ⇒ 00:17:44.090 Greg Stoutenburg: Yeah.
61 00:17:44.440 ⇒ 00:17:44.940 Greg Stoutenburg: Yeah.
62 00:17:44.940 ⇒ 00:17:49.409 Uttam Kumaran: I worked… I worked on a version of this. I’d love to just, like, even get your live feedback, because I…
63 00:17:49.640 ⇒ 00:17:51.210 Greg Stoutenburg: Yeah, sure, put it up.
64 00:17:51.210 ⇒ 00:17:55.899 Uttam Kumaran: Cool, so this is the, let me share.
65 00:17:57.370 ⇒ 00:17:59.240 Uttam Kumaran: Then I have to run to, like, lunch.
66 00:17:59.350 ⇒ 00:17:59.980 Uttam Kumaran: Meeting.
67 00:17:59.980 ⇒ 00:18:02.830 Greg Stoutenburg: Yeah, to go get a smoothie, and not do a meeting.
68 00:18:04.070 ⇒ 00:18:05.260 Uttam Kumaran: So…
69 00:18:05.470 ⇒ 00:18:06.750 Greg Stoutenburg: This is what you just did.
70 00:18:06.750 ⇒ 00:18:13.799 Uttam Kumaran: this is what I just did. I’m… I also have some… I… I’m, like, looking at a cursor for, like, the last 20 minutes, I’m just like, let me throw it out there.
71 00:18:14.320 ⇒ 00:18:14.800 Greg Stoutenburg: Yeah.
72 00:18:14.800 ⇒ 00:18:19.650 Uttam Kumaran: I have some stuff, like, I don’t like this random AI bolding.
73 00:18:20.260 ⇒ 00:18:24.590 Uttam Kumaran: Sort of my thesis on this whole thing was, like.
74 00:18:24.920 ⇒ 00:18:44.739 Uttam Kumaran: It should be dashboard to section to tile. There are global, like, how Brainforge does dashboards, and then there’s client-specific formatting that apply on all dashboards, and then there’s dashboard-specific formatting, right? So there’s these, like, abstractions. I want to link out to all the, like, things.
75 00:18:45.140 ⇒ 00:19:03.319 Uttam Kumaran: Right? Like, okay, here’s a linear project, here’s, like, some other track. Whatever the trackers are, I don’t want to rewrite… I don’t want to have 5 different things where we’re, like, arguing about definitions. Definitions should get argued in that other sheet. It can get linked here as just, like, a copy-paste, if you want, but, like, ultimately, like.
76 00:19:03.370 ⇒ 00:19:06.189 Uttam Kumaran: the argument should happen there. So that was kind of this.
77 00:19:06.690 ⇒ 00:19:11.909 Uttam Kumaran: I wanted to start it with, like, what’s the goal… what is, like, the goal with this dashboard?
78 00:19:12.290 ⇒ 00:19:16.049 Uttam Kumaran: Generally, something that’s business-facing, I think this is okay.
79 00:19:16.150 ⇒ 00:19:26.540 Uttam Kumaran: Then it’s, like, what topics are getting used? So the other component here is that, depending on the technology, the spec can be different. So I shipped, like, a generic spec, but I’m also gonna ship, like.
80 00:19:27.280 ⇒ 00:19:28.550 Uttam Kumaran: probably, like.
81 00:19:28.930 ⇒ 00:19:36.440 Uttam Kumaran: either alternates or tweaks based on the technology used. Like, a Tableau spec is different than a Looker spec, but…
82 00:19:36.720 ⇒ 00:19:38.980 Uttam Kumaran: Like, sort of semantics.
83 00:19:43.430 ⇒ 00:19:44.510 Uttam Kumaran: So…
84 00:19:45.080 ⇒ 00:19:55.239 Uttam Kumaran: on OmniTopics, I basically was like, these are the topics. I also think we probably should have a topic, like, are… do you think it’s overkill to do, like, a topic spec, or, like…
85 00:19:55.710 ⇒ 00:19:58.010 Uttam Kumaran: Do you wanna put that into here?
86 00:19:58.720 ⇒ 00:20:10.839 Greg Stoutenburg: I think, I think that’s a good question for Advait. I’d ask him. I don’t know if he needed it. I mean, he made it seem… for the retail ones, he made it seem like he just went in and he was just like, this is really obvious, and then he was done with it in an hour.
87 00:20:11.120 ⇒ 00:20:12.750 Greg Stoutenburg: So… Okay.
88 00:20:12.750 ⇒ 00:20:13.370 Uttam Kumaran: Sick.
89 00:20:14.300 ⇒ 00:20:18.460 Uttam Kumaran: I mean, I… I just… I think, put it another way, does the business…
90 00:20:18.590 ⇒ 00:20:20.630 Uttam Kumaran: Need to have an understanding of the topic.
91 00:20:21.610 ⇒ 00:20:24.839 Uttam Kumaran: I don’t know. Like…
92 00:20:25.510 ⇒ 00:20:33.739 Greg Stoutenburg: Well, I guess… okay, let me… let me back up. I gave an answer, but I realized I was making an assumption. The assumption is that someone like Abate would be the one jumping in.
93 00:20:33.740 ⇒ 00:20:47.599 Greg Stoutenburg: For, let’s just say, like, onboarding purposes, it may often be the case that, no, we do want to have a command or a template, because someone who’s brand new might not know what to do to even get started building a topic. So, yeah, guess so.
94 00:20:48.660 ⇒ 00:20:51.909 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, I mean, I’d also, like, look, the clients still think about
95 00:20:52.120 ⇒ 00:20:57.130 Uttam Kumaran: dashboards as the output item, but I saw Jazz and Message, and I disagree, like.
96 00:20:57.520 ⇒ 00:21:01.819 Uttam Kumaran: Client doesn’t care about a topic. Like, the topic has no, like, the grounds in…
97 00:21:02.410 ⇒ 00:21:08.950 Uttam Kumaran: like, any other tools. The dashboard is the work output, so that’s why, like, dashboard is the work output, blobby enablement.
98 00:21:09.650 ⇒ 00:21:15.449 Uttam Kumaran: Basically, and then, like, any sort of schedules. Those are, like, the three things that I’ve highlighted, except I missed the lobby, actually.
99 00:21:16.040 ⇒ 00:21:20.049 Uttam Kumaran: So, I think if you want to talk about Omni topics, I think this is basically…
100 00:21:20.710 ⇒ 00:21:23.619 Uttam Kumaran: like, option… like, I’ll just say it’s, like, optional.
101 00:21:26.460 ⇒ 00:21:28.100 Uttam Kumaran: Up to discretion.
102 00:21:31.430 ⇒ 00:21:35.829 Uttam Kumaran: I do think it’s helpful to put the tables that are getting used.
103 00:21:36.070 ⇒ 00:21:39.889 Uttam Kumaran: I hope this is, like, actually more programmatic, meaning, like.
104 00:21:41.310 ⇒ 00:21:45.580 Uttam Kumaran: When you generate the spec, you can actually just, like, pull this…
105 00:21:46.110 ⇒ 00:21:53.560 Uttam Kumaran: or whoever the SL can do that, whatever. Yeah. I also then put, like, here’s the stakeholders and, like, primary questions.
106 00:21:55.440 ⇒ 00:22:01.879 Uttam Kumaran: It allows you to basically be like, this dashboard answers these… you should be able to answer these questions.
107 00:22:02.050 ⇒ 00:22:02.580 Greg Stoutenburg: Yup.
108 00:22:02.580 ⇒ 00:22:03.650 Uttam Kumaran: Fairly simple.
109 00:22:03.790 ⇒ 00:22:07.749 Uttam Kumaran: I also put, like, okay, where does it live? Like…
110 00:22:07.980 ⇒ 00:22:13.590 Uttam Kumaran: So, Snowflake schema, I don’t think this, it’s… Delete…
111 00:22:14.750 ⇒ 00:22:21.230 Uttam Kumaran: Emerson Retailer Feeds, I think this is, like… delete.
112 00:22:21.420 ⇒ 00:22:22.390 Uttam Kumaran: Covered.
113 00:22:23.020 ⇒ 00:22:24.429 Uttam Kumaran: Like, above.
114 00:22:25.920 ⇒ 00:22:32.620 Uttam Kumaran: Definition… Needed.
115 00:22:32.930 ⇒ 00:22:46.759 Greg Stoutenburg: Yeah, I got… yeah, and I had some link the same way, lock metric definitions, but it’s linking to a Markdown file. It’s treated like it’s a URL, and a couple of the specs that I drafted up did that as well, and I just deleted it any time it did that.
116 00:22:47.110 ⇒ 00:22:51.009 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, I’ll remove, and then also look into…
117 00:22:51.900 ⇒ 00:22:53.310 Greg Stoutenburg: Or we need a file path instead.
118 00:22:53.310 ⇒ 00:23:00.090 Uttam Kumaran: Well, it’s like, when something is business-facing for a client, remove internal…
119 00:23:00.400 ⇒ 00:23:04.380 Uttam Kumaran: references, basically. I’ll just add that to the agent’s file, I think.
120 00:23:04.380 ⇒ 00:23:05.010 Greg Stoutenburg: Yep.
121 00:23:05.610 ⇒ 00:23:08.860 Uttam Kumaran: legacy reporting… okay, I think this is good, basically, like.
122 00:23:08.980 ⇒ 00:23:11.689 Uttam Kumaran: Are we migrating from something to something? Like…
123 00:23:11.800 ⇒ 00:23:14.380 Uttam Kumaran: a CSV, or, like, a UI?
124 00:23:16.610 ⇒ 00:23:20.570 Uttam Kumaran: You know what I mean? So it’s clear, like, what was the… what’s the past look like?
125 00:23:20.570 ⇒ 00:23:20.970 Greg Stoutenburg: Yep.
126 00:23:25.700 ⇒ 00:23:30.760 Uttam Kumaran: I think this is also, like… Up to CSO discretion.
127 00:23:31.870 ⇒ 00:23:34.460 Uttam Kumaran: And then I basically put, like.
128 00:23:35.890 ⇒ 00:23:38.159 Uttam Kumaran: This is something that, like, is just gonna be…
129 00:23:38.500 ⇒ 00:23:40.950 Uttam Kumaran: sort of all dashboards. I just think, like.
130 00:23:41.780 ⇒ 00:23:49.800 Uttam Kumaran: I mean, ultimately, what I want Jasmine to own is, like, how do dashboards get made? Like, what is the way… what are the… how does it look? And, like, things like that, so…
131 00:23:49.800 ⇒ 00:23:50.240 Greg Stoutenburg: Yeah.
132 00:23:50.240 ⇒ 00:23:56.999 Uttam Kumaran: I don’t think this really needs modification unless, like, the client says something. The next piece is, like, what are the metrics?
133 00:23:57.170 ⇒ 00:24:04.230 Uttam Kumaran: sort of similar to, like, what you did, except… I don’t know, I think in your spec you had other columns
134 00:24:04.570 ⇒ 00:24:09.740 Uttam Kumaran: Actually… I’m sort of getting ahead of myself, so this is, like.
135 00:24:10.770 ⇒ 00:24:15.460 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, so this is metrics and definitions, metrics referenced by the spec.
136 00:24:15.970 ⇒ 00:24:21.320 Uttam Kumaran: Okay, so I’m gonna, like… Remove reference.
137 00:24:22.780 ⇒ 00:24:25.860 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, I think metrics referenced by the spec is…
138 00:24:26.870 ⇒ 00:24:30.470 Uttam Kumaran: Fine for you to just list, like, what are all the metrics that are gonna get used?
139 00:24:31.010 ⇒ 00:24:34.650 Uttam Kumaran: I don’t know, I think some clients…
140 00:24:34.650 ⇒ 00:24:41.570 Greg Stoutenburg: It’ll get pretty long if we’re gonna… if we’re building… if we’re making a spec for a lot of dashboards, that table’s gonna get pretty long.
141 00:24:41.570 ⇒ 00:24:45.869 Uttam Kumaran: No, so this… so I guess my point here was this spec was supposed to be for one dash.
142 00:24:49.870 ⇒ 00:24:53.090 Greg Stoutenburg: This one right here that you’re working on right now, or do you mean the wholesale one?
143 00:24:53.540 ⇒ 00:24:54.230 Uttam Kumaran: Well…
144 00:24:54.230 ⇒ 00:24:55.609 Greg Stoutenburg: Or rather, I guess, in this case, retail.
145 00:24:55.610 ⇒ 00:24:58.399 Uttam Kumaran: This one was supposed to just be, like, this dashboard.
146 00:24:59.450 ⇒ 00:25:00.230 Greg Stoutenburg: Okay.
147 00:25:00.910 ⇒ 00:25:03.540 Uttam Kumaran: So, it’s like, what are the metrics that are getting used?
148 00:25:03.540 ⇒ 00:25:06.059 Greg Stoutenburg: Per dashboard, then okay, yeah, yeah, yeah.
149 00:25:07.370 ⇒ 00:25:09.769 Uttam Kumaran: I think it’s a doc for a dash.
150 00:25:10.800 ⇒ 00:25:14.890 Uttam Kumaran: Because a dashboard is a product.
151 00:25:15.530 ⇒ 00:25:16.330 Greg Stoutenburg: Yeah.
152 00:25:17.640 ⇒ 00:25:20.780 Uttam Kumaran: like, I think you could have a similar doc just for Blobby.
153 00:25:21.580 ⇒ 00:25:25.549 Uttam Kumaran: Like, and that’s it. There’s no, like… there’s no, like, other blobby, right?
154 00:25:25.850 ⇒ 00:25:26.560 Greg Stoutenburg: Right.
155 00:25:26.560 ⇒ 00:25:30.749 Uttam Kumaran: But it is a distinct set of work, and basically, you can now align this with the project.
156 00:25:31.140 ⇒ 00:25:31.810 Greg Stoutenburg: Yeah.
157 00:25:34.580 ⇒ 00:25:38.710 Uttam Kumaran: Then I kinda have formatting, things about freshness, some of this I’m gonna…
158 00:25:38.860 ⇒ 00:25:45.870 Uttam Kumaran: again, like, I think it’s just gonna be… I wanna leave it here, because based on your client, you can remove if they don’t care about this stuff.
159 00:25:46.000 ⇒ 00:25:53.220 Uttam Kumaran: But there will be some clients, like, I assume the tech people on Element are gonna ask us, when does this refresh, what is the caching?
160 00:25:53.390 ⇒ 00:25:54.590 Greg Stoutenburg: Yes.
161 00:25:54.590 ⇒ 00:25:57.229 Uttam Kumaran: You have to leave it in there if you expect that they’re gonna ask.
162 00:25:57.230 ⇒ 00:25:59.470 Greg Stoutenburg: Yeah, when does the week start and end? Things like that.
163 00:25:59.470 ⇒ 00:26:00.220 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah.
164 00:26:00.220 ⇒ 00:26:00.920 Greg Stoutenburg: Yeah.
165 00:26:01.300 ⇒ 00:26:07.199 Uttam Kumaran: And then there’s, like, tool-specific information. Yeah, I’m gonna remove some of…
166 00:26:07.450 ⇒ 00:26:09.840 Uttam Kumaran: I’ll remove some of the internal references.
167 00:26:10.860 ⇒ 00:26:14.900 Uttam Kumaran: And then… This is finally where we actually get into, like, the dashboard.
168 00:26:15.070 ⇒ 00:26:15.930 Greg Stoutenburg: Right.
169 00:26:16.230 ⇒ 00:26:23.599 Uttam Kumaran: So then you’re like, okay, here is, like, what the goal of the dashboard is, the audience. This is kind of, like, duplic… yeah, like…
170 00:26:24.730 ⇒ 00:26:33.740 Uttam Kumaran: Well, I guess now, like, yeah, I guess the way I wrote this, maybe I’m wrong about how I thought, because this has… this is Dashboard 1 and Opportunity for Dashboard 2.
171 00:26:35.040 ⇒ 00:26:35.710 Greg Stoutenburg: Yep.
172 00:26:40.280 ⇒ 00:26:42.429 Uttam Kumaran: Okay, I mean, I don’t… I guess, like.
173 00:26:43.200 ⇒ 00:26:45.170 Uttam Kumaran: Sort of arguing about semantics, but…
174 00:26:45.170 ⇒ 00:26:49.790 Greg Stoutenburg: Well, I mean, yeah, I mean, I think it’s important to know how much detail’s going into what, so I think that…
175 00:26:49.860 ⇒ 00:27:06.119 Greg Stoutenburg: The way… the way that this is structured is similar to the way that I structured the two that I did, where I just did one dock per, we’ll say, set of dashboards, so per area. One area being retail, then the other being wholesale. So, each one of those got a… a dock.
176 00:27:06.210 ⇒ 00:27:12.589 Greg Stoutenburg: Benefit, you get all of the dashboards that roll up to that topic in one place.
177 00:27:13.430 ⇒ 00:27:15.960 Greg Stoutenburg: Downside is, it’s all in one dock.
178 00:27:16.520 ⇒ 00:27:19.460 Greg Stoutenburg: Right? So, just a lot of information in one doc.
179 00:27:19.460 ⇒ 00:27:20.090 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah.
180 00:27:24.190 ⇒ 00:27:25.559 Greg Stoutenburg: I think this makes sense.
181 00:27:26.920 ⇒ 00:27:30.259 Greg Stoutenburg: Because I guess if the alternative… the alternative in this case would be 5 different.
182 00:27:30.260 ⇒ 00:27:36.240 Uttam Kumaran: Well, like, I just think, like, we don’t… I think it should be difficult, because you don’t want to end up with 100 docs.
183 00:27:36.600 ⇒ 00:27:37.429 Greg Stoutenburg: Right, exactly.
184 00:27:37.430 ⇒ 00:27:39.999 Uttam Kumaran: Like, okay, fair, if it’s, like.
185 00:27:40.280 ⇒ 00:27:43.949 Uttam Kumaran: If there’s 20 docs, then maybe you do one per…
186 00:27:45.550 ⇒ 00:27:51.440 Uttam Kumaran: I mean, in this case, again, I think this is more like… This is the business domain.
187 00:27:51.830 ⇒ 00:27:52.450 Greg Stoutenburg: Right.
188 00:27:52.450 ⇒ 00:27:55.239 Uttam Kumaran: And these are the dashboard specifications.
189 00:27:55.470 ⇒ 00:27:56.660 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah. That business domain.
190 00:27:56.660 ⇒ 00:27:58.190 Greg Stoutenburg: Or that whole business domain.
191 00:27:58.550 ⇒ 00:27:59.120 Uttam Kumaran: Okay.
192 00:27:59.450 ⇒ 00:28:00.170 Greg Stoutenburg: Yeah.
193 00:28:01.240 ⇒ 00:28:03.100 Uttam Kumaran: Okay, so that’s also what I’ll put as, like.
194 00:28:03.470 ⇒ 00:28:07.909 Uttam Kumaran: Each BEC is around a domain, but…
195 00:28:08.230 ⇒ 00:28:13.869 Uttam Kumaran: PSO can decide to break out to just one.
196 00:28:14.620 ⇒ 00:28:17.240 Uttam Kumaran: Doc for a dash. Yeah.
197 00:28:18.100 ⇒ 00:28:25.280 Uttam Kumaran: Cool, and then, basically, in going into, like, the dashboard spec, like…
198 00:28:25.760 ⇒ 00:28:36.970 Uttam Kumaran: this is where, again, I want to give you all the options so that you can remove as you need. Like, basically, if there’s, like, literally tile-level specifications, I made it possible for you to do that.
199 00:28:37.100 ⇒ 00:28:41.730 Uttam Kumaran: So you can go from, like, the dashboard filters to, like.
200 00:28:41.730 ⇒ 00:28:42.320 Greg Stoutenburg: Yep.
201 00:28:42.320 ⇒ 00:28:53.650 Uttam Kumaran: any formatting to, like, the section, and then the tile. The tile has everything from, like, the chart type, columns, rows, whatever.
202 00:28:54.140 ⇒ 00:28:56.959 Uttam Kumaran: And then, think about, like, each of the tiles there.
203 00:28:56.960 ⇒ 00:28:57.600 Greg Stoutenburg: Yep.
204 00:28:57.600 ⇒ 00:29:04.399 Uttam Kumaran: And then… You can also, like, put in anything which is, like, Known gaps, out of scope.
205 00:29:04.620 ⇒ 00:29:05.630 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah.
206 00:29:06.080 ⇒ 00:29:06.770 Greg Stoutenburg: Yep.
207 00:29:07.120 ⇒ 00:29:18.019 Uttam Kumaran: Maybe the only other thing I’ll put at the top here is, like, each dashboard has a tile at the top for definitions.
208 00:29:19.450 ⇒ 00:29:24.670 Uttam Kumaran: Explainers… And… Fresh.
209 00:29:25.160 ⇒ 00:29:26.850 Uttam Kumaran: That’s, like, sort of this, like.
210 00:29:27.060 ⇒ 00:29:27.590 Greg Stoutenburg: Yep.
211 00:29:27.590 ⇒ 00:29:29.239 Uttam Kumaran: whatever, HTML or whatever.
212 00:29:29.620 ⇒ 00:29:31.719 Uttam Kumaran: Same thing on the second dashboard.
213 00:29:36.050 ⇒ 00:29:38.400 Uttam Kumaran: So, yeah, I mean, I think… I guess it…
214 00:29:38.570 ⇒ 00:29:41.360 Uttam Kumaran: It looked… probably looked at you had 6 dashboards in there.
215 00:29:42.520 ⇒ 00:29:43.600 Greg Stoutenburg: Yeah. Okay.
216 00:29:43.780 ⇒ 00:29:45.059 Greg Stoutenburg: Yep, I had 6.
217 00:29:45.060 ⇒ 00:29:45.590 Uttam Kumaran: Cool.
218 00:29:46.040 ⇒ 00:29:48.159 Uttam Kumaran: 6 or 7, yeah, so then it’s like…
219 00:29:48.160 ⇒ 00:29:52.779 Greg Stoutenburg: Yeah, yeah, sorry, it had 7, and I marked, 6 and 7 both as, like.
220 00:29:52.960 ⇒ 00:29:55.150 Greg Stoutenburg: To do later, because we don’t have that data yet.
221 00:29:55.150 ⇒ 00:29:56.040 Uttam Kumaran: Okay, okay.
222 00:30:02.500 ⇒ 00:30:06.689 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, and then basically I put, like, some… I’m just gonna shove more stuff into the appendix, like…
223 00:30:07.260 ⇒ 00:30:12.590 Uttam Kumaran: How are we thinking about design? Any documentation related to Omni?
224 00:30:12.730 ⇒ 00:30:19.530 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah. I think this is, like, Useless.
225 00:30:19.790 ⇒ 00:30:23.440 Uttam Kumaran: I mean, just, like, a place for you to just do sign-off.
226 00:30:23.840 ⇒ 00:30:24.460 Greg Stoutenburg: Yeah.
227 00:30:24.960 ⇒ 00:30:31.610 Uttam Kumaran: So, I feel like… okay, even talking through this, I think there’s some stuff I can remove, but I feel pretty good about this.
228 00:30:31.830 ⇒ 00:30:32.650 Greg Stoutenburg: Yep.
229 00:30:32.970 ⇒ 00:30:42.280 Uttam Kumaran: This is where, like, I don’t… I don’t… I don’t want this to be so, like, topic-focused, because topic is an omni thing, and our business is not omni, like, it’s a tool for us, so…
230 00:30:42.800 ⇒ 00:30:45.100 Uttam Kumaran: It’s up to you to be, like.
231 00:30:45.940 ⇒ 00:30:52.250 Uttam Kumaran: craft it in whatever makes sense for your client, but ultimately, I would want to know that from the
232 00:30:52.670 ⇒ 00:30:54.920 Uttam Kumaran: All the way up, there’s, like.
233 00:30:55.210 ⇒ 00:30:59.419 Uttam Kumaran: You don’t have to guess about, like, how to do it, you’re just guessing about how it comes together, which is…
234 00:30:59.560 ⇒ 00:31:00.380 Greg Stoutenburg: Yeah.
235 00:31:00.550 ⇒ 00:31:01.160 Uttam Kumaran: No.
236 00:31:01.440 ⇒ 00:31:18.650 Greg Stoutenburg: Yeah, that’s what I wanted. So the basic goal needs to be, you run the skill, and the output is something that an engineer can look at like a table, and go, okay, based on what’s in this table, I can now… I can take that, and that will create exactly this dashboard that will look exactly this way with exactly.
237 00:31:18.650 ⇒ 00:31:19.200 Uttam Kumaran: That’s a mistake.
238 00:31:19.200 ⇒ 00:31:21.650 Greg Stoutenburg: That’s the goal. Yeah. Yeah.
239 00:31:22.180 ⇒ 00:31:24.440 Greg Stoutenburg: Because ultimately, we want to be able to get Blobby to do that.
240 00:31:24.560 ⇒ 00:31:32.600 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, and it’s… exactly, and it’s pretty easy for you to go from this to, like, cool, I want to create a project per dashboard, and then you can break out the tickets however you want to.
241 00:31:32.600 ⇒ 00:31:33.710 Greg Stoutenburg: Right, yeah.
242 00:31:33.970 ⇒ 00:31:35.570 Uttam Kumaran: just from this, right?
243 00:31:35.570 ⇒ 00:31:36.480 Greg Stoutenburg: Yeah, agreed.
244 00:31:37.510 ⇒ 00:31:44.229 Uttam Kumaran: Okay, cool, let me do… let me do one more pass at this, and then I’ll dip this, and then I think if you want to…
245 00:31:44.880 ⇒ 00:31:50.660 Uttam Kumaran: So maybe I’ll do another pass, I’ll create this doc, if you like it, you can apply it to the wholesale one.
246 00:31:51.690 ⇒ 00:31:59.969 Uttam Kumaran: just confirm that it has all the same info, like, there wasn’t any loss. Yeah. And then I’m gonna hand this, be like, this is now Jasmine’s thing to maintain, so…
247 00:31:59.970 ⇒ 00:32:05.560 Greg Stoutenburg: Yeah, okay, yeah, that sounds good. I think the retail one that I’ve given Shivani we should leave is, because she already has it.
248 00:32:05.560 ⇒ 00:32:06.130 Uttam Kumaran: Okay.
249 00:32:06.460 ⇒ 00:32:11.340 Greg Stoutenburg: And I mean, a lot of what the actual dashboards are is the same, so…
250 00:32:11.340 ⇒ 00:32:13.899 Uttam Kumaran: So even if you’re like, hey, I just wanted to clean this up.
251 00:32:14.130 ⇒ 00:32:14.750 Greg Stoutenburg: Yeah.
252 00:32:14.750 ⇒ 00:32:16.290 Uttam Kumaran: Just take… take pieces from it, whatever.
253 00:32:16.290 ⇒ 00:32:27.569 Greg Stoutenburg: Yeah, yeah, yeah, sounds good. As far as, like, I feel like I’m still not quite straight on this. So, as far as, like, meetings with clients when you’re not the CSO, I guess in this case, when you’re not the SO…
254 00:32:27.570 ⇒ 00:32:30.979 Uttam Kumaran: It’s still not clear to me on this one. Okay. So, like…
255 00:32:31.180 ⇒ 00:32:33.119 Uttam Kumaran: Those two need to figure this out.
256 00:32:33.430 ⇒ 00:32:42.770 Greg Stoutenburg: Okay, yeah. And then, like, do I just not talk to Shivani anymore? Like, maybe except, you know, unless I’m messaged or something? Because I’m thinking, like, that could be kind of awkward, given that, you know… No, no, no.
257 00:32:42.770 ⇒ 00:32:44.350 Uttam Kumaran: Robert has to… Robert and Jasmine.
258 00:32:44.350 ⇒ 00:32:44.810 Greg Stoutenburg: Yeah, they need to do.
259 00:32:44.810 ⇒ 00:32:47.850 Uttam Kumaran: Are the ones that need to, like, absolutely give you that guidance.
260 00:32:47.850 ⇒ 00:32:48.640 Greg Stoutenburg: Okay.
261 00:32:48.840 ⇒ 00:32:53.840 Uttam Kumaran: So, I will make it aware that that guidance has not been given yet. Okay, yeah.
262 00:32:53.840 ⇒ 00:33:03.819 Greg Stoutenburg: Yeah, and in this case, like, I already… we already talked about time, so I’ll take this one. And she hasn’t confirmed when she wants to meet, but yeah, there will be another, so…
263 00:33:03.820 ⇒ 00:33:04.430 Uttam Kumaran: Yes.
264 00:33:04.660 ⇒ 00:33:06.130 Greg Stoutenburg: Yeah. Cool.
265 00:33:06.310 ⇒ 00:33:07.299 Greg Stoutenburg: Okay. Alright.
266 00:33:07.750 ⇒ 00:33:09.000 Greg Stoutenburg: Cool. Thanks for your help.
267 00:33:09.000 ⇒ 00:33:10.450 Uttam Kumaran: Thank you. Alright, I’ll talk to you soon.
268 00:33:10.760 ⇒ 00:33:11.930 Greg Stoutenburg: Enjoy your smoothie.
269 00:33:11.930 ⇒ 00:33:12.450 Uttam Kumaran: Thanks.