Meeting Title: Eden OS Documentation Collaboration Date: 2026-04-02 Meeting participants: Awaish Kumar, Uttam Kumaran, Demilade Agboola
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1 00:01:13.350 ⇒ 00:01:14.140 Awaish Kumar: Right.
2 00:01:24.310 ⇒ 00:01:25.200 Uttam Kumaran: Hey…
3 00:01:26.550 ⇒ 00:01:27.330 Awaish Kumar: Oh, no.
4 00:01:52.470 ⇒ 00:01:54.779 Awaish Kumar: Like, which city are you in right now?
5 00:01:56.400 ⇒ 00:01:57.789 Uttam Kumaran: I’m in San Ramo.
6 00:01:59.040 ⇒ 00:02:01.170 Uttam Kumaran: In the Bay Area.
7 00:02:02.650 ⇒ 00:02:04.250 Awaish Kumar: Sorry, what’d you say?
8 00:02:04.830 ⇒ 00:02:05.550 Awaish Kumar: cut on.
9 00:02:07.630 ⇒ 00:02:10.220 Uttam Kumaran: Here, I’ll type it in.
10 00:02:10.949 ⇒ 00:02:12.149 Awaish Kumar: Oh, son of me.
11 00:02:16.829 ⇒ 00:02:17.949 Awaish Kumar: California.
12 00:02:18.940 ⇒ 00:02:19.480 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah.
13 00:02:20.800 ⇒ 00:02:21.810 Demilade Agboola: Hey guys.
14 00:02:21.960 ⇒ 00:02:23.090 Demilade Agboola: How’s everyone doing?
15 00:02:23.220 ⇒ 00:02:23.840 Uttam Kumaran: A.
16 00:02:24.500 ⇒ 00:02:26.199 Demilade Agboola: But Tom, is your right eye good?
17 00:02:27.490 ⇒ 00:02:32.790 Uttam Kumaran: No, I’m having, like, it’s sort of like, like, inflamed today.
18 00:02:34.160 ⇒ 00:02:38.950 Uttam Kumaran: It feels fine, it’s just sometimes I get, like, these, like, styes in my eye.
19 00:02:39.350 ⇒ 00:02:47.080 Uttam Kumaran: I haven’t gotten one in a long time, but yeah, my, like… I feel like, like, it’s always happened to me, like, in the last few years, so…
20 00:02:47.770 ⇒ 00:02:49.290 Demilade Agboola: Any idea what causes it?
21 00:02:50.130 ⇒ 00:03:00.160 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, it’s sort of… the mechanism is, like, if, like, oil glands in your eye build up, and you’re, like, susceptible to them, they can, like, block, and so you have to just put, like, warm compress.
22 00:03:00.290 ⇒ 00:03:01.850 Uttam Kumaran: And it’ll sort of mitigate.
23 00:03:02.160 ⇒ 00:03:11.050 Uttam Kumaran: when it was COVID, you would wear a mask, and so it’s like, if you have dry eyes, often happens, or if you’re, like.
24 00:03:11.320 ⇒ 00:03:23.250 Uttam Kumaran: kind of, like, if you… because I wear contacts, too, so maybe if you touch your eye, so there’s, like, high risk of that, so I wear contacts. During COVID, I’d wear a mask, so you’re always, like, breathing into your eye, so it can get dry.
25 00:03:23.470 ⇒ 00:03:24.930 Uttam Kumaran: So that’s mainly it.
26 00:03:25.160 ⇒ 00:03:25.750 Uttam Kumaran: But…
27 00:03:25.750 ⇒ 00:03:30.010 Demilade Agboola: Hopefully that gets better soon. It’s just, like, I was on the call, and I noticed, I was like.
28 00:03:31.330 ⇒ 00:03:38.689 Uttam Kumaran: No, I’m okay. I’m not, sick or anything, but yeah. I also agree. I’m, like, I’m on West Coast, so my day is, like.
29 00:03:39.230 ⇒ 00:03:47.979 Uttam Kumaran: almost done, I guess. It’s already… it’s 11 o’clock, but it’s almost like, yeah, it’s like 2 or 3 o’clock, I guess, Central, so…
30 00:03:48.640 ⇒ 00:03:49.380 Demilade Agboola: Nice.
31 00:03:50.460 ⇒ 00:03:54.909 Awaish Kumar: Okay, this feels… yeah, like, it feels like you haven’t…
32 00:03:55.390 ⇒ 00:03:59.220 Awaish Kumar: Working all day and night for the last few days.
33 00:04:01.800 ⇒ 00:04:11.490 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, that is true. Well, I’m working for you guys. I wanna make sure that you guys are set up on the SL side, and
34 00:04:12.050 ⇒ 00:04:15.170 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, I mean, I’m… I want to switch my time
35 00:04:15.290 ⇒ 00:04:20.090 Uttam Kumaran: Back to sales, and then also back to, like, more stuff on the platform.
36 00:04:20.519 ⇒ 00:04:24.540 Uttam Kumaran: And, like, everybody’s starting to contribute to the platform and things like that, so…
37 00:04:24.960 ⇒ 00:04:30.830 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah. I mean, that’s definitely probably affected my eyes, staying at a computer for too long, but…
38 00:04:31.030 ⇒ 00:04:39.100 Uttam Kumaran: Where I’ll be taking a… I’ll be, like, kind of taking a half day tomorrow, and be kind of hanging out just the weekend or going camping, so…
39 00:04:39.700 ⇒ 00:04:40.350 Awaish Kumar: Okay.
40 00:04:41.170 ⇒ 00:04:41.850 Awaish Kumar: Yeah.
41 00:04:47.930 ⇒ 00:04:49.220 Awaish Kumar: Okay, can we…
42 00:04:49.220 ⇒ 00:04:53.699 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, did you want to kind of tee off, Awash, this conversation? And then, yeah.
43 00:04:55.830 ⇒ 00:05:03.830 Awaish Kumar: Yeah, I like… This is more regarding, like, I don’t know, We have an escalation.
44 00:05:05.170 ⇒ 00:05:06.950 Awaish Kumar: from… Hmm.
45 00:05:07.950 ⇒ 00:05:09.070 Awaish Kumar: CSO…
46 00:05:17.240 ⇒ 00:05:17.870 Awaish Kumar: Can you hear me?
47 00:05:17.870 ⇒ 00:05:24.269 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, do you want to walk us through… yeah, yeah, yeah, do you want to walk us… sorry, my… my Mac… my MacBook just made me start freezing.
48 00:05:24.400 ⇒ 00:05:26.760 Uttam Kumaran: But do you want to walk us through, like, what the thing is?
49 00:05:27.140 ⇒ 00:05:27.640 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah.
50 00:05:27.640 ⇒ 00:05:29.200 Awaish Kumar: Let me just open up.
51 00:05:31.390 ⇒ 00:05:32.780 Awaish Kumar: Those dogs.
52 00:05:39.480 ⇒ 00:05:47.329 Awaish Kumar: Okay, so… Like, there are some… there is some of the documentation Cutting, like, they just…
53 00:05:48.010 ⇒ 00:05:52.389 Awaish Kumar: Created based on, like, how the new patient acquisition will happen.
54 00:05:52.520 ⇒ 00:05:56.250 Awaish Kumar: So, like, I… like, Robert really liked it.
55 00:05:56.500 ⇒ 00:06:01.019 Awaish Kumar: And, he mentioned this should have been come from us.
56 00:06:01.560 ⇒ 00:06:08.970 Awaish Kumar: And then, maybe specifically, I got tagged, but, like, this…
57 00:06:09.450 ⇒ 00:06:16.680 Awaish Kumar: This is more like, like the… Number one is mostly… Falls into, like.
58 00:06:17.480 ⇒ 00:06:22.080 Awaish Kumar: Regarding the… it’s regarding marketing channels, like, how a new customer
59 00:06:22.270 ⇒ 00:06:25.759 Awaish Kumar: Comes into our system, so maybe somebody
60 00:06:26.190 ⇒ 00:06:40.820 Awaish Kumar: sees it on Facebook, then how it lands from the… from there, how it will… the user gets landed into our identity resolution, how we identify the users, if somebody came from Facebook or somewhere, and then…
61 00:06:41.550 ⇒ 00:06:46.119 Awaish Kumar: there is a number of tools which are used. Obviously, I’m helping
62 00:06:46.310 ⇒ 00:06:50.240 Awaish Kumar: Some parts of it is with Zoran, like.
63 00:06:50.480 ⇒ 00:06:56.109 Awaish Kumar: there’s a collaboration, maybe, between me and Zoran, like, once they’re in Edelier, or…
64 00:06:56.220 ⇒ 00:07:00.000 Awaish Kumar: then it moves to BigQuery, then we are… we have some reverse ETLs.
65 00:07:00.790 ⇒ 00:07:05.260 Awaish Kumar: So, it’s typical flow of a user
66 00:07:05.650 ⇒ 00:07:12.209 Awaish Kumar: Acquisition, from some systems, but there are a number of tools involved, and
67 00:07:13.030 ⇒ 00:07:19.859 Awaish Kumar: And for some of them, there’s a collaboration between me and Zoran. Like, Zoran wants me to, for example, create a reverse ATL
68 00:07:19.980 ⇒ 00:07:21.860 Awaish Kumar: For Meta, or something like that.
69 00:07:23.150 ⇒ 00:07:29.820 Awaish Kumar: But it’s really, like, I would say… It doesn’t even describe,
70 00:07:30.560 ⇒ 00:07:35.039 Awaish Kumar: the full system, it also doesn’t describe what we have done. Like, I have a document.
71 00:07:35.040 ⇒ 00:07:39.279 Uttam Kumaran: But I guess, what was his… what was his feed… what was his feedback, ultimately? Like.
72 00:07:39.790 ⇒ 00:07:46.760 Awaish Kumar: Yeah, Robert says this document has come from, the Eden team. It should have been from our team.
73 00:07:47.180 ⇒ 00:07:51.579 Awaish Kumar: Yeah, he thinks that it is something that should have been under my.
74 00:07:51.580 ⇒ 00:07:52.440 Uttam Kumaran: I see.
75 00:07:52.630 ⇒ 00:07:53.380 Awaish Kumar: work.
76 00:07:54.020 ⇒ 00:07:56.099 Uttam Kumaran: So then, so then my piece is that…
77 00:07:56.970 ⇒ 00:08:02.169 Uttam Kumaran: What we’re probably missing here is, like, kind of a similar project plan that we do across the other clients, right?
78 00:08:05.000 ⇒ 00:08:07.239 Uttam Kumaran: And this also has some technical architecture.
79 00:08:10.270 ⇒ 00:08:12.730 Awaish Kumar: I think also, like, there’s a…
80 00:08:13.290 ⇒ 00:08:20.609 Awaish Kumar: like, I have seen for the Eden OS, if we talk about Eden OS, there has been escalation on multiple levels.
81 00:08:20.750 ⇒ 00:08:23.149 Awaish Kumar: And I have been tagged in all of them.
82 00:08:23.320 ⇒ 00:08:30.230 Awaish Kumar: But it’s, like, it has… it has been a full system development, and different teams are involved.
83 00:08:30.460 ⇒ 00:08:44.910 Awaish Kumar: I’ve been mostly taking care of, like, the analytics part, like, creating documentation of what we have in… through BOSC, and making sure that is implemented while working with engineering, or CERF, or the new team.
84 00:08:45.550 ⇒ 00:08:54.620 Awaish Kumar: Right? But how they build the other parts, or how they are prioritizing their features, development, that might affect, like,
85 00:08:55.990 ⇒ 00:09:05.500 Awaish Kumar: Like, we might be missing some fields in analytics because of it, but it’s, like, it’s under their plate, like, how they prioritize their work, right?
86 00:09:12.870 ⇒ 00:09:15.030 Uttam Kumaran: That’s correct. I guess what I’m…
87 00:09:15.970 ⇒ 00:09:24.670 Uttam Kumaran: I guess, and Debbie, the reason for this meeting is I was like, okay, as some of these things come up, let’s just all discuss the NetSell crew to kind of start to pattern match, but…
88 00:09:24.670 ⇒ 00:09:25.070 Demilade Agboola: Yeah.
89 00:09:25.070 ⇒ 00:09:26.680 Uttam Kumaran: Seems to me like this… this…
90 00:09:26.970 ⇒ 00:09:32.489 Uttam Kumaran: Eden OS from our side just needs, like, a project plan, right? And an architecture sort of design.
91 00:09:33.150 ⇒ 00:09:33.940 Uttam Kumaran: bike.
92 00:09:35.320 ⇒ 00:09:39.120 Uttam Kumaran: I… like, I feel like that’s… that’s roughly the…
93 00:09:39.770 ⇒ 00:09:46.790 Uttam Kumaran: the gap, right? But, like, wasn’t… that didn’t… like, Robert didn’t produce that when we signed the agreement, or, like…
94 00:09:46.910 ⇒ 00:09:49.390 Uttam Kumaran: What materials have been created so far?
95 00:09:50.580 ⇒ 00:09:55.760 Awaish Kumar: So… Obviously, I haven’t… I didn’t receive anything,
96 00:09:56.610 ⇒ 00:10:05.170 Awaish Kumar: From… from the CSO or their teams. So what I came… what I received was… what I instructed was that we have a new system.
97 00:10:05.280 ⇒ 00:10:18.159 Awaish Kumar: Eden OS, that is… Remo is being built, and just make sure that the… it suppose all the analytics reporting, it has all the features that we need for reporting, and we should be able to get that data from that system.
98 00:10:18.440 ⇒ 00:10:23.540 Awaish Kumar: For that, I built my… a Notion document, which basically.
99 00:10:25.450 ⇒ 00:10:28.960 Uttam Kumaran: Can we pull that up? Because then we can compare, because then I’m wondering, like.
100 00:10:31.470 ⇒ 00:10:35.209 Uttam Kumaran: If Robert wasn’t happy with that, he should have just gave you feedback on that, right?
101 00:10:35.520 ⇒ 00:10:37.150 Demilade Agboola: Yeah, also…
102 00:10:37.420 ⇒ 00:10:42.900 Demilade Agboola: It does appear like, like, some of these things, like, things around Cloudflare and all that, are they within your scope?
103 00:10:47.490 ⇒ 00:10:50.759 Awaish Kumar: Yeah, like… That… that is, like…
104 00:10:51.060 ⇒ 00:10:55.779 Awaish Kumar: what I’m saying, like, that is, like, for example, some of the… that is under…
105 00:10:56.170 ⇒ 00:10:58.250 Awaish Kumar: So around the scope, and…
106 00:10:58.390 ⇒ 00:11:00.390 Awaish Kumar: And then something like that, so it’s…
107 00:11:01.410 ⇒ 00:11:10.680 Demilade Agboola: So basically, like, it’s how do we consolidate in a situation where we have multiple streams, so we can put everything together to create, like, one document?
108 00:11:11.310 ⇒ 00:11:11.849 Demilade Agboola: So, like.
109 00:11:11.850 ⇒ 00:11:17.850 Awaish Kumar: For example, I built this when I started with Remote migration.
110 00:11:18.340 ⇒ 00:11:21.880 Awaish Kumar: So… It is, like, it gives you…
111 00:11:22.950 ⇒ 00:11:28.500 Awaish Kumar: How… what is the background of that, and then why it matters, and then what is in a scope, right?
112 00:11:28.890 ⇒ 00:11:34.329 Awaish Kumar: And… I’ve completely wrote, right? It is… it’s purely analytical…
113 00:11:35.680 ⇒ 00:11:42.230 Awaish Kumar: project that I’m taking on, like, I’m not saying in the development piece, and that’s part of the
114 00:11:42.950 ⇒ 00:11:44.139 Awaish Kumar: What is in its scope?
115 00:11:44.250 ⇒ 00:11:47.370 Awaish Kumar: And that is what is in scope for, like,
116 00:11:48.030 ⇒ 00:11:57.579 Awaish Kumar: out of scope for Brainforge, if maybe Serv was supposed to implement it, or maybe their engineering team, but it’s not like us in our standard
117 00:11:58.780 ⇒ 00:12:00.330 Awaish Kumar: Contract we have with them.
118 00:12:04.950 ⇒ 00:12:06.390 Uttam Kumaran: But then, versus this…
119 00:12:06.940 ⇒ 00:12:11.939 Uttam Kumaran: Like, what he’s… how… what he sent is, like, almost more of, like, an implementation plan, right?
120 00:12:12.580 ⇒ 00:12:17.560 Awaish Kumar: I have everything on their own, so, like… If you go back.
121 00:12:17.560 ⇒ 00:12:22.280 Uttam Kumaran: That’s why I’m like… I’m like, why… I guess my question for Robert is, like.
122 00:12:22.650 ⇒ 00:12:25.009 Uttam Kumaran: Why is… why was this not good enough?
123 00:12:25.250 ⇒ 00:12:26.090 Uttam Kumaran: Right?
124 00:12:29.420 ⇒ 00:12:34.259 Uttam Kumaran: I don’t know. I mean, that’s why I’m kind of asking you, but… That’s what I’m like, yeah.
125 00:12:34.520 ⇒ 00:12:40.989 Awaish Kumar: I haven’t received that also, like, the feedback on exactly what is missing in this document.
126 00:12:43.420 ⇒ 00:12:50.499 Demilade Agboola: So, I’m looking at both… I mean, I’m just looking at what you… what is here, and I’m looking at what is, like, in the document.
127 00:12:51.000 ⇒ 00:13:06.330 Demilade Agboola: that Robert seems to be referring to. I think the document here is just more holistic. The one that Robert shared, the Google Doc, it has everything in terms of, like, what’s interacting with what, Cloudflare, MixedPanel, like.
128 00:13:07.060 ⇒ 00:13:09.720 Demilade Agboola: it’s just, I guess, just expansive.
129 00:13:10.080 ⇒ 00:13:15.029 Demilade Agboola: And so that’s kind of… I think it’s more of, like, a communication gap between…
130 00:13:15.230 ⇒ 00:13:18.749 Demilade Agboola: Awish put out a document referring to his scope.
131 00:13:19.080 ⇒ 00:13:25.220 Demilade Agboola: And Robert kind of… I think Robert wanted, like, more a holistic document across the multiple scopes.
132 00:13:25.720 ⇒ 00:13:27.589 Demilade Agboola: And I think that’s probably, like, the gap.
133 00:13:36.920 ⇒ 00:13:37.630 Demilade Agboola: So I think it’s just more of a.
134 00:13:37.630 ⇒ 00:13:39.050 Uttam Kumaran: Okay, then…
135 00:13:39.050 ⇒ 00:13:50.029 Demilade Agboola: like, multiple scopes, where we have people, you know, working on, like, attribution and people sitting on multiple things. How do we put all of that together to put out the doc that we need, basically?
136 00:13:56.840 ⇒ 00:13:58.069 Awaish Kumar: Then there’s quick.
137 00:14:00.730 ⇒ 00:14:01.450 Uttam Kumaran: One thing.
138 00:14:03.760 ⇒ 00:14:06.550 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, then I think the question to be answered is, like.
139 00:14:08.800 ⇒ 00:14:15.259 Uttam Kumaran: I mean… I mean, I have two questions. One is, like, what was… look… what was the ask when Robert came to you and said, make a dock?
140 00:14:15.970 ⇒ 00:14:16.850 Uttam Kumaran: Right.
141 00:14:17.810 ⇒ 00:14:21.419 Uttam Kumaran: Second, if this is the dock, if he wants it to be more of the crust work stream.
142 00:14:21.820 ⇒ 00:14:23.150 Uttam Kumaran: That’s fine.
143 00:14:23.950 ⇒ 00:14:29.859 Uttam Kumaran: You know, and then he needs to give you some guidance on, like, okay, who’s the audience, what’s the format?
144 00:14:30.080 ⇒ 00:14:39.520 Uttam Kumaran: So I just want to confirm that that all happened, and then I think figure out, like, what’s next? So do you want to edit that doc that’s there? Like, what’s the next ask, you know?
145 00:14:41.000 ⇒ 00:14:47.389 Awaish Kumar: So, yeah, like, to answer those questions, I haven’t received the requirements on what
146 00:14:48.150 ⇒ 00:14:53.249 Awaish Kumar: what the dog should look like. I have received requests, like, I’ve been referring to this dog, like.
147 00:14:53.440 ⇒ 00:15:00.120 Awaish Kumar: to share what was in a scope for me. And then I have an… I created another one, which shows more of a…
148 00:15:03.590 ⇒ 00:15:16.080 Awaish Kumar: the analytics, like, there’s a Google Doc also, I have to find out, but it’s more like… it shows you EdenOS and how things are progressing on the analytics side, but I… and then Robert edited it.
149 00:15:16.080 ⇒ 00:15:28.130 Awaish Kumar: And made it, like, that it looked super good after the edits. But it seems that he wanted more, wanted to see the full view of what’s going on in the Eden OS itself.
150 00:15:28.310 ⇒ 00:15:34.809 Awaish Kumar: Not just the analytical stream. So I think it’s… there’s a gap of this, like, understanding
151 00:15:35.370 ⇒ 00:15:43.079 Awaish Kumar: of your scope and, like, making sure the… all the work streams sit together to come up with a document.
152 00:15:43.940 ⇒ 00:15:44.599 Uttam Kumaran: I agree.
153 00:15:46.410 ⇒ 00:15:50.869 Uttam Kumaran: So, I guess, like, Tell me what’s, like, a good next step, like…
154 00:15:51.420 ⇒ 00:15:53.969 Uttam Kumaran: Do you want to just, like, confirm that in Slack?
155 00:15:54.340 ⇒ 00:15:59.049 Uttam Kumaran: And, like, or, like, Demi, what do you think? Like, what’s a… what’s the path forward here?
156 00:16:01.720 ⇒ 00:16:09.939 Demilade Agboola: It appears… Robert kind of prefers the format, like, the newer, like, all things put together.
157 00:16:13.350 ⇒ 00:16:19.139 Demilade Agboola: Because I know he said he’s been editing that, so that suggests, like, this is kind of what he feels more comfortable with.
158 00:16:19.520 ⇒ 00:16:25.800 Demilade Agboola: I think, yeah, we just need to… basically… put…
159 00:16:26.660 ⇒ 00:16:29.529 Demilade Agboola: Work on our, like, the workflow here in terms of data.
160 00:16:29.840 ⇒ 00:16:32.860 Demilade Agboola: But in terms of, like, the other things around…
161 00:16:33.470 ⇒ 00:16:36.130 Demilade Agboola: like, North Beam and, like…
162 00:16:39.290 ⇒ 00:16:43.199 Demilade Agboola: MixPanel and all that stuff. Yeah, we might just basically have to, like.
163 00:16:43.750 ⇒ 00:16:46.640 Demilade Agboola: Put those sections apart, like, tag the appropriate
164 00:16:46.970 ⇒ 00:16:53.159 Demilade Agboola: people, and be like, hey, Zoran, this is your portion, how do we handle, like, identity resolution?
165 00:16:53.760 ⇒ 00:17:01.979 Demilade Agboola: Or how is this setup? Not necessarily… like, we can look at it from… because we can talk about the data end of things, but the actual setup things, like.
166 00:17:02.340 ⇒ 00:17:07.719 Demilade Agboola: Well, the HTTP header and all that stuff is stuff that, like, Zoran or someone else did.
167 00:17:09.680 ⇒ 00:17:10.280 Uttam Kumaran: Okay.
168 00:17:11.180 ⇒ 00:17:22.999 Uttam Kumaran: then yeah, I mean, I think basically you can… if the format’s good, then I think… I think… oh wait, should you just confirm with Robert, like, okay, let’s build on this next format, tag the right people where you need their feedback.
169 00:17:23.240 ⇒ 00:17:25.889 Uttam Kumaran: And then tell them, like, we can… we can run with this.
170 00:17:26.030 ⇒ 00:17:28.950 Uttam Kumaran: And make it so, like, this is the source of truth, you know?
171 00:17:31.010 ⇒ 00:17:36.340 Awaish Kumar: Okay, yeah, but… It’s… like, even if I…
172 00:17:36.590 ⇒ 00:17:46.240 Awaish Kumar: create that document. It’s more like we, like, Zoran owns one of the, like, the works team, he can fill that, I can…
173 00:17:46.470 ⇒ 00:17:54.100 Awaish Kumar: Fill out about the… like, the analytical part, and the ingestion, and all of that. But it’s more like…
174 00:17:54.480 ⇒ 00:17:59.000 Awaish Kumar: Because Eden West underserved has been our project.
175 00:17:59.620 ⇒ 00:18:04.800 Awaish Kumar: So, like, maybe… Robert is also… want to understand how
176 00:18:04.980 ⇒ 00:18:07.429 Awaish Kumar: The overall project is going, like.
177 00:18:08.150 ⇒ 00:18:16.350 Awaish Kumar: the information that I might not know, right? It’s more maybe, like, Diego, surf, or… Alright.
178 00:18:16.350 ⇒ 00:18:19.769 Uttam Kumaran: And that’s where I would… I would… I would escalate. I would ask him, like, hey.
179 00:18:20.010 ⇒ 00:18:21.809 Uttam Kumaran: Well, I would say two things. One.
180 00:18:22.720 ⇒ 00:18:24.260 Uttam Kumaran: This is a case where, like.
181 00:18:24.710 ⇒ 00:18:30.329 Uttam Kumaran: you all… I think you need to push to make sure that what you shipped in that Notion, the CSO,
182 00:18:30.660 ⇒ 00:18:34.059 Uttam Kumaran: On your client is actually delivering and giving you feedback.
183 00:18:34.400 ⇒ 00:18:37.059 Uttam Kumaran: So I think Robert, at one point maybe said it was good.
184 00:18:37.450 ⇒ 00:18:44.180 Uttam Kumaran: Clearly, Adam wanted something else. I feel like that’s on Robert, but, like, one, find out where the gap was there, like.
185 00:18:44.410 ⇒ 00:18:50.940 Uttam Kumaran: Second piece is, Similarly, like, ask Robert, like, hey, should I tag Diego here?
186 00:18:51.280 ⇒ 00:18:55.490 Uttam Kumaran: am I supposed to go… Figure it out, like…
187 00:18:55.610 ⇒ 00:18:58.260 Uttam Kumaran: I think you just should ask these questions out loud.
188 00:18:58.950 ⇒ 00:19:05.380 Uttam Kumaran: in that channel, I think that’s totally fine. And he’ll tell you, like, no, just tag surf, I’ll inform him.
189 00:19:05.520 ⇒ 00:19:07.079 Uttam Kumaran: Right? Things like that.
190 00:19:09.200 ⇒ 00:19:10.010 Awaish Kumar: Crooked.
191 00:19:12.970 ⇒ 00:19:16.220 Awaish Kumar: Okay, I… okay, should I… maybe…
192 00:19:17.950 ⇒ 00:19:23.659 Awaish Kumar: Okay, and then this document is… purely, like, Telling about one flow.
193 00:19:23.800 ⇒ 00:19:27.060 Awaish Kumar: Of work. How should we structure our new one, like.
194 00:19:29.510 ⇒ 00:19:39.079 Uttam Kumaran: Same good… kind of good question for Robert, too. Like, ask him what he wants. Ultimately, he’s gonna know what the client wants, and it’s gonna be a collaboration, right, between all the…
195 00:19:39.300 ⇒ 00:19:42.059 Uttam Kumaran: technical Workstream owners, you and
196 00:19:42.340 ⇒ 00:19:51.110 Uttam Kumaran: him, but he should be giving the direction. But ultimately, if you don’t ask… if you’re not asking the question or challenging that, he can give the direction.
197 00:19:51.650 ⇒ 00:19:56.470 Uttam Kumaran: And so that’s the thing, I think just continue to ask for feedback and push to make sure you get the feedback.
198 00:19:57.150 ⇒ 00:20:00.830 Awaish Kumar: Yeah, but, like, sometimes this, like, this came…
199 00:20:01.150 ⇒ 00:20:03.600 Awaish Kumar: out of blue, right? I haven’t been work…
200 00:20:04.190 ⇒ 00:20:08.669 Awaish Kumar: I have those documents shared, we have our task in linear that we are working on.
201 00:20:08.870 ⇒ 00:20:13.800 Awaish Kumar: And this just came up because the client put out some documents, and…
202 00:20:14.360 ⇒ 00:20:16.560 Uttam Kumaran: No, that’s a good… but I think this is where, like.
203 00:20:16.940 ⇒ 00:20:20.680 Uttam Kumaran: you should… you should say that we should just have this… you should either call Rob.
204 00:20:21.130 ⇒ 00:20:22.980 Uttam Kumaran: Or have this discussion in Slack.
205 00:20:23.290 ⇒ 00:20:24.390 Uttam Kumaran: Say, hey.
206 00:20:24.640 ⇒ 00:20:30.810 Uttam Kumaran: I shipped this Notion thing, you approved it, now there’s this other document. What’s the gap? What’s the path forward? Right?
207 00:20:32.200 ⇒ 00:20:44.439 Uttam Kumaran: I think both of you are probably right. It’s… but it ultimately, like, you just need to be on the same page, what the expectations are. The world may have shifted under Robert, and he may have just… they may have just went this direction.
208 00:20:44.910 ⇒ 00:20:50.760 Uttam Kumaran: But his job is to say, hey, we’re going this direction, I need help here. I don’t know whether he did or not.
209 00:20:51.020 ⇒ 00:21:00.319 Uttam Kumaran: Same thing for you, it’s like, we ship something, making sure that, like, okay, this is what exactly we needed, and we can move forward. So, I think a simple conversation in Slack should figure this out.
210 00:21:01.750 ⇒ 00:21:07.359 Awaish Kumar: Okay, I have… we have a meeting tomorrow between me, Robert, and Zoran.
211 00:21:07.650 ⇒ 00:21:09.489 Awaish Kumar: To collaborate on this documentation.
212 00:21:09.490 ⇒ 00:21:11.299 Uttam Kumaran: I would try to figure it out today.
213 00:21:12.640 ⇒ 00:21:13.340 Awaish Kumar: Okay.
214 00:21:13.710 ⇒ 00:21:14.240 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah.
215 00:21:14.990 ⇒ 00:21:18.089 Uttam Kumaran: Maybe it could take 15 minutes, just try to figure it out, yeah.
216 00:21:20.530 ⇒ 00:21:22.839 Awaish Kumar: Okay, I will write a message on Slack.
217 00:21:27.000 ⇒ 00:21:27.710 Awaish Kumar: Okay.
218 00:21:27.710 ⇒ 00:21:28.330 Uttam Kumaran: Cool.
219 00:21:29.940 ⇒ 00:21:30.780 Awaish Kumar: Okay, thank you.
220 00:21:31.280 ⇒ 00:21:34.850 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, I think a good example of just, like, Look, when in doubt.
221 00:21:35.440 ⇒ 00:21:41.629 Uttam Kumaran: Or if you’re like, I think I said something, versus I think another person may have said something, just ask and slap. I’m totally fine.
222 00:21:41.810 ⇒ 00:21:44.060 Uttam Kumaran: Or just quick, quick huddle, you know?
223 00:21:44.740 ⇒ 00:21:49.109 Uttam Kumaran: Because ultimately, like, the CSO, you’re gonna get cha- they’re gonna get changing requirements.
224 00:21:49.400 ⇒ 00:21:50.160 Uttam Kumaran: But…
225 00:21:50.440 ⇒ 00:22:00.219 Uttam Kumaran: it’s up to them to sort of, like, set you up for success, too. So if the format was wrong, or whatever, like, he can just tell you, and then we can work on that, right? So that’s what I want to just understand, like.
226 00:22:00.670 ⇒ 00:22:05.899 Uttam Kumaran: What happened, and then… How we can improve the… Feedback loop, you know?
227 00:22:07.160 ⇒ 00:22:07.830 Awaish Kumar: Okay.
228 00:22:09.790 ⇒ 00:22:11.769 Uttam Kumaran: Okay, perfect. Thank you, guys.
229 00:22:11.950 ⇒ 00:22:12.530 Awaish Kumar: Okay.
230 00:22:13.030 ⇒ 00:22:14.180 Demilade Agboola: Thank you. Bye.