Meeting Title: Miranda <> Uttam Day 1 Sync Date: 2026-03-30 Meeting participants: Ruixi Wen, Uttam Kumaran
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1 00:03:56.370 ⇒ 00:03:57.600 Ruixi Wen: Oh, I just don’t…
2 00:07:02.460 ⇒ 00:07:03.450 Uttam Kumaran: Hello!
3 00:07:04.960 ⇒ 00:07:06.120 Uttam Kumaran: Hey, how are you?
4 00:07:06.310 ⇒ 00:07:08.300 Ruixi Wen: Nice to see you!
5 00:07:08.300 ⇒ 00:07:12.280 Uttam Kumaran: Good to see you, too. How’s everything? I love your hairstyle!
6 00:07:12.280 ⇒ 00:07:13.270 Ruixi Wen: Yeah, yeah, I flew.
7 00:07:13.270 ⇒ 00:07:17.640 Uttam Kumaran: Did you change it? Oh, great. You know, I always, I wanted to,
8 00:07:17.940 ⇒ 00:07:22.839 Uttam Kumaran: like, for the last 5 years, I wanted to bleach my hair, but I don’t know if it would be good for business, so I just…
9 00:07:22.840 ⇒ 00:07:23.989 Ruixi Wen: Don’t do it.
10 00:07:24.990 ⇒ 00:07:29.139 Ruixi Wen: I actually wanted brown, but I think they over-bleached it, so…
11 00:07:29.140 ⇒ 00:07:30.119 Uttam Kumaran: What it is.
12 00:07:30.120 ⇒ 00:07:31.020 Ruixi Wen: It is, like…
13 00:07:31.020 ⇒ 00:07:39.050 Uttam Kumaran: It is what it is. Nice. Well, it’s great to connect again. Thank you so much for, like, dealing with our slowness, and, like, I hope…
14 00:07:39.370 ⇒ 00:07:44.059 Uttam Kumaran: I hope, if anything, it’s showing you, like, we’re a small crew, so we try to be…
15 00:07:44.210 ⇒ 00:07:51.580 Uttam Kumaran: we try to make sure two things. One, it’s of course that, like, you’re awesome, but also that we have a good spot to put you in, you know? And so…
16 00:07:51.600 ⇒ 00:08:10.379 Uttam Kumaran: I appreciate you, like, working with Kayla and working with us, and yeah, I’m pumped. I’m pumped, you know, to start, you know, collaborating with you on some of our stuff on the platform side, and I think you’re gonna find some of the stuff where we’re doing internally, like, much crazier than even the things we’re doing for our clients, so it’ll be a good first challenge.
17 00:08:10.860 ⇒ 00:08:20.700 Ruixi Wen: Yeah, yeah, this is already amazing, like, I just talked to Pranav and Kayla, earlier today, and they showed us, like, the BringForge platform and everything.
18 00:08:20.700 ⇒ 00:08:21.380 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah.
19 00:08:21.380 ⇒ 00:08:22.929 Ruixi Wen: Pretty mind-blowing, yeah?
20 00:08:22.930 ⇒ 00:08:33.469 Uttam Kumaran: Cool. Yeah, I’m… I think, like, really what I’m hopeful for is that what you’re gonna see is we’ve built a lot of things, and we have a pretty big roadmap, but there’s…
21 00:08:33.580 ⇒ 00:08:48.600 Uttam Kumaran: there’s a couple things. One is collect everything around product management for the tools that we’re building. And really, you’re gonna find that the things we’re building for ourselves, oftentimes, they can then get commercialized and, you know, sold to clients.
22 00:08:49.030 ⇒ 00:08:56.939 Uttam Kumaran: So yeah, I mean, like, let me kind of… let me give you, you know, a little bit of perspective on where we’re at, and kind of how I think…
23 00:08:57.010 ⇒ 00:09:07.449 Uttam Kumaran: this… you’re gonna kind of be able to give you the roadmap on how to crush, like, the next 30 days, I think. You know, my background is in product management as well, so I was a product manager
24 00:09:07.460 ⇒ 00:09:18.019 Uttam Kumaran: Built, like, the first product, at the last startup I was at. And so, like, for me, really, I learned… but my background’s in engineering, so I learned product management all…
25 00:09:18.110 ⇒ 00:09:28.369 Uttam Kumaran: kind of through reading books and just trying, you know, things out. And so, one, I’m actually super excited to have someone in a formal product management seat, because oftentimes.
26 00:09:28.370 ⇒ 00:09:38.629 Uttam Kumaran: I feel like people think about product management like it’s… it’s just pushing tickets forward and things like that, and it’s actually, like, so opposite of that. You know, I think great product management is…
27 00:09:38.670 ⇒ 00:09:46.199 Uttam Kumaran: Really knowing your user, and being the voice of the customer, and helping the engineering team actually direct their energy.
28 00:09:46.250 ⇒ 00:09:51.240 Uttam Kumaran: And I think we have those challenges really, really in front of us for the platform team.
29 00:09:51.320 ⇒ 00:10:03.800 Uttam Kumaran: And when I talk about the platform team, I don’t know if the team let you know, but sort of Brainforge is both several internal teams, as well as all of our client teams. And so the platform team is…
30 00:10:04.100 ⇒ 00:10:23.680 Uttam Kumaran: was originally me, and then we built some people around it, now those people are all working for clients, so it’s back kind of just, like, within my purview, but really it’s the support structure for the entire organization. And you can think of it like we’re building tools for everybody to use in order to do their job, and to deliver, you know, for kind of for clients, so…
31 00:10:23.710 ⇒ 00:10:30.319 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, so when I kind of think about, like, this role, mainly it’s… it’s being, like.
32 00:10:30.740 ⇒ 00:10:49.269 Uttam Kumaran: really, truly understanding exactly what we’re trying to build for our customers, which… which, for the platform team, is internal, right? So you have the benefit of, like, it’s just other brain-forged people, so people will be pretty honest with what they need. And then it’s understanding adoption, right? Measuring, like, are people using it, are they getting value out of it?
33 00:10:49.400 ⇒ 00:11:06.590 Uttam Kumaran: But it’s also using AI to do everything product management. So, this is where it’s not only are we building AI tools, it’s like, how are you using AI to be a better product manager, right? Like, how are we using AI for user research, for adoption, analytics, for ideation, for design?
34 00:11:07.400 ⇒ 00:11:22.669 Uttam Kumaran: So I think it’s a really… it’s a really cool role. And yeah, tell me, like, hit me with any questions or any thoughts as you’re… as… as you’re starting, or if this is all overwhelming, it should be. It’s not that… it’s not that simple, but, yeah, tell me, like, what you’re thinking.
35 00:11:23.100 ⇒ 00:11:33.500 Ruixi Wen: Yeah, yeah, actually, I have so many questions, yeah. I saw, like, the Kayla sharing with the ramp-up plan, and I think it’s, like, very, very solid and very exciting.
36 00:11:33.500 ⇒ 00:11:33.960 Uttam Kumaran: Okay.
37 00:11:34.110 ⇒ 00:11:46.299 Ruixi Wen: But I’m very curious about, like, so first of all, will I and you be working very closely? Will there, like, you said some people move to, like, the client side, but who will the people, like, I communicate on a daily basis?
38 00:11:46.640 ⇒ 00:12:01.789 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, I think this is really gonna be… so the kind of ramp-up plan that we put together, I think, is our first pass, but it’s actually… I want you to start to build relationships with the people in the company, and together we can understand, like, who do we want to go after first.
39 00:12:01.790 ⇒ 00:12:13.040 Uttam Kumaran: So day-to-day, it’s gonna be between, you know, a lot of me and you. There’s also, like, I think really it’s gonna be determining, like, who our first customer is, and the project I have in mind, like.
40 00:12:13.150 ⇒ 00:12:23.040 Uttam Kumaran: Fortunately, unfortunately, like, everybody in the company is gonna be using it, so I think it’s gonna be helpful for us to determine either, like,
41 00:12:23.210 ⇒ 00:12:28.129 Uttam Kumaran: Like, who’s gonna be in, like, the beta test, or who’s gonna be in the small cohort?
42 00:12:28.260 ⇒ 00:12:36.560 Uttam Kumaran: So I’ll kind of ask that to you, and maybe that could be something this week where you come up with an idea on, like, who do we want to be the first group to test
43 00:12:36.690 ⇒ 00:12:42.490 Uttam Kumaran: you know, this product, and I’ll tell you… I’ll send you links and show you more about what the sort of product is, but…
44 00:12:42.670 ⇒ 00:12:48.200 Uttam Kumaran: if you… if you spent any time today getting onboarded onto Cursor, and again, you tell me where, like.
45 00:12:48.320 ⇒ 00:12:56.499 Uttam Kumaran: I’m using too much jargon or whatever, but I understand you’re probably in cursor now, you have the repo pulled down, right? Is that kind of, like, where you are now?
46 00:12:57.090 ⇒ 00:13:03.699 Ruixi Wen: Oh, I haven’t, like, got the chance to, like, talk with Bea. We were… we rescheduled for tomorrow morning, I believe.
47 00:13:03.700 ⇒ 00:13:04.490 Uttam Kumaran: Okay.
48 00:13:04.490 ⇒ 00:13:08.640 Ruixi Wen: I’m in cursor right now, but it didn’t, like, fully get set up, yeah.
49 00:13:08.940 ⇒ 00:13:22.870 Uttam Kumaran: what’s your familiarity with, like, AI coding tools, like, AI design tools? Like, give me the lay of the land of Miranda in terms of, like, yeah, like, what you’re familiar with, because then I can… I can then think about, like, framing the analogies, yeah.
50 00:13:22.870 ⇒ 00:13:28.919 Ruixi Wen: Oh, yeah, that would be helpful. So, I’m more familiar with, like, the ones who build, like, more front-end. I use a lot.
51 00:13:28.920 ⇒ 00:13:29.450 Uttam Kumaran: Okay.
52 00:13:29.450 ⇒ 00:13:34.159 Ruixi Wen: I’ve been paying Lovable for the past, like, I don’t know, like, almost a year, like…
53 00:13:34.160 ⇒ 00:13:35.160 Uttam Kumaran: Okay, great.
54 00:13:35.160 ⇒ 00:13:45.149 Ruixi Wen: And I also use Riplet, and I think, like, these two tools I use the most. I try to… I try a bit of, like, cloud… code… coding…
55 00:13:45.150 ⇒ 00:13:45.870 Uttam Kumaran: I thought.
56 00:13:45.870 ⇒ 00:14:05.749 Ruixi Wen: Just, like, to trying to, like, help me find, like, prospects better, like, in my previous company. But yeah, that’s pretty much it, and for me, like, Riplet and, Lovable is, like, pretty, intuitive to use, I would say, but it’s, like, not… like, the product I built from there is hard to scale. Like, when I was trying to, like.
57 00:14:05.880 ⇒ 00:14:11.629 Ruixi Wen: like, edit the code is some… a lot of times, like, things mess up, but it’s, like, a really good, like, prototyping tool, and that’s what’s, like.
58 00:14:11.630 ⇒ 00:14:12.190 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah.
59 00:14:12.760 ⇒ 00:14:13.850 Ruixi Wen: case, yeah.
60 00:14:14.110 ⇒ 00:14:19.879 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, okay, perfect. So then, thinking about that, like, I think one thing you’re gonna find here is that
61 00:14:20.000 ⇒ 00:14:20.760 Uttam Kumaran: the…
62 00:14:20.930 ⇒ 00:14:33.069 Uttam Kumaran: Cursor is sort of… in some ways, is going to be a replacement for all of that, and in that way, it’s also difficult. A lot of people are doing a lot of different things, using cursor as sort of the…
63 00:14:33.270 ⇒ 00:14:35.330 Uttam Kumaran: what I would call is, like, just…
64 00:14:35.360 ⇒ 00:14:49.460 Uttam Kumaran: the path towards outcome right now. So, you have people like Rico, who are doing operations work in there, you have engineers like Pranav that are using Cursor, Kayla’s using Cursor for knowledge. So right now, this is, like, sort of the access point.
65 00:14:49.460 ⇒ 00:15:06.719 Uttam Kumaran: And I would say, though, right now, the platform is not great at helping to develop, design, the prototypes, and so that could be also a really immediate win. It’s like, yes, I think Lovable is great for it, but we actually have all the same capabilities that you can unlock during Cursor, which is just like, hey, create me an app.
66 00:15:06.830 ⇒ 00:15:18.150 Uttam Kumaran: run it locally, look at our brand colors, help me pull the knowledge in, right? So, I think one thing I want to challenge you is to see, hey, can I do everything I need?
67 00:15:18.230 ⇒ 00:15:29.939 Uttam Kumaran: That I was previously doing in Replit or Lovable via Curshift. I mean, that’s a great place to start, and think of it, like, in order to do all the things I need to do as a product manager, which is ideate.
68 00:15:29.940 ⇒ 00:15:43.419 Uttam Kumaran: wireframe, prototype user flows, right? Can I do that all through the cursor interface? I don’t… you’re gonna see that I don’t mind paying for lovable or Replit or whatever, it’s not about that, it’s actually more about
69 00:15:43.950 ⇒ 00:16:00.490 Uttam Kumaran: is our platform going to work for all future product managers at Brainforge, right? And so you’re the first person to test out. And so I’ve been using Cursor to help me do designs in Figma. I also have it do just designs locally as well.
70 00:16:00.590 ⇒ 00:16:16.479 Uttam Kumaran: But I’m not doing a lot of user flows and user interaction mapping, and so that’s what I think is going to be an interesting challenge. So knowing that you know Replit and Lovable, you actually find it pretty similar. You’re actually also going to find that all of the code for all of our applications are in that one repository.
71 00:16:16.480 ⇒ 00:16:26.180 Uttam Kumaran: So, in addition, all of the knowledge in the company you can access through Cursor. Whether it’s meeting transcripts, whether it’s gonna be,
72 00:16:26.200 ⇒ 00:16:38.360 Uttam Kumaran: like, who’s allocated to what project, whether it’s all of our policies and SOPs. So what you’re gonna find, hopefully, is that the power of the way we’ve set things up is actually because
73 00:16:38.360 ⇒ 00:16:48.260 Uttam Kumaran: the data is all in one place. You may find that Lovable is, like, a tad bit better, design, tad bit better, like, the UI, but those are all things we’ll solve.
74 00:16:48.300 ⇒ 00:16:51.459 Uttam Kumaran: Right? Through better… through better, just, product?
75 00:16:51.510 ⇒ 00:17:05.519 Uttam Kumaran: But the context layer is really what our bread and butter is at Brainforge. You’re gonna find that there is so much rich context in the platform repository, and, like, that is one thing I’m looking forward to hearing, like.
76 00:17:05.740 ⇒ 00:17:25.080 Uttam Kumaran: if, like, how you think about that, because ultimately, our company, what we’re… that’s what we’re good at. Like, whether… whether it’s plod code, or whether it’s Windsurf, or Cursor, whether it’s, like, a UI, really, ultimately, our bread and butter is making the right context available for the right use case at the right time, you know?
77 00:17:26.919 ⇒ 00:17:31.259 Ruixi Wen: I see, I see, I see. Yeah. Yeah, that’s what something, like, Primav told me about, like…
78 00:17:31.260 ⇒ 00:17:32.480 Uttam Kumaran: economics.
79 00:17:32.480 ⇒ 00:17:40.759 Ruixi Wen: Like, the data… have it, like, the content’s really huge, so whatever we build on top of this, we already have, like, the data to support that.
80 00:17:40.760 ⇒ 00:17:43.900 Uttam Kumaran: Exactly, exactly. So the challenge is, like.
81 00:17:44.290 ⇒ 00:17:52.959 Uttam Kumaran: the challenge is, can we build it ourselves versus using a lovable or replet output? And, like, how do we then enable other people to build?
82 00:17:53.090 ⇒ 00:18:10.610 Uttam Kumaran: you know, applications, right? So that’s ultimately, like, the meta challenge, is in taking this one product that I can talk about today, and you working on the design, the metrics, like, wireframes, you’re gonna see, is it easy, ultimately, for anybody at Brainforge to build products on top of the platform?
83 00:18:12.870 ⇒ 00:18:18.360 Uttam Kumaran: And so that could be a combination of new skills, it could be a combination of better SOPs.
84 00:18:18.480 ⇒ 00:18:21.679 Uttam Kumaran: It could be more training,
85 00:18:21.820 ⇒ 00:18:29.720 Uttam Kumaran: Right? But ultimately, we want the platform to be able to do almost anything. If someone’s… if someone’s like, okay, I just purely want to create, like.
86 00:18:29.970 ⇒ 00:18:43.929 Uttam Kumaran: markdown files, that’s one thing. But if someone’s like, hey, I’m going to a client, I want to build an application for them, they should be able to do that too, right? But it’s gonna be, like, your setup is what’s gonna allow them to do that, because you don’t want them to think about.
87 00:18:44.120 ⇒ 00:18:46.890 Uttam Kumaran: All of the different, like, nuances, right?
88 00:18:47.220 ⇒ 00:18:50.360 Ruixi Wen: Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that totally makes sense, yeah.
89 00:18:50.650 ⇒ 00:18:51.300 Uttam Kumaran: Cold.
90 00:18:52.220 ⇒ 00:18:52.850 Ruixi Wen: Yeah.
91 00:18:52.920 ⇒ 00:19:05.500 Ruixi Wen: And I think a question, like, where I’m, like, pretty much aligned with is, like, for us, like, for my contract right now, it’s, like, when… I think we have, like, weekly cut, weekly tracking thing, and what would you think, like, where…
92 00:19:05.520 ⇒ 00:19:14.590 Ruixi Wen: the things that I should, like, prioritize to make, like, I really expect… exceed the… exceed expectations by, like, day 7, day 14, or day…
93 00:19:14.680 ⇒ 00:19:21.650 Ruixi Wen: day 21, something like that. Do you think it’s, like, more goes by, like,
94 00:19:22.080 ⇒ 00:19:28.760 Ruixi Wen: Every week, we see how it goes, and then we see the expectation where maybe you can just, like, tell me something, like, more…
95 00:19:28.930 ⇒ 00:19:35.960 Ruixi Wen: Generally. Sure. I want to make sure, like, our expectations align, and there was room for me to, like, exceed that as well.
96 00:19:35.960 ⇒ 00:19:41.370 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, so you’re gonna find that, like, if I’m to think about myself, like,
97 00:19:42.730 ⇒ 00:19:45.909 Uttam Kumaran: What would… what would help me know that you’re the best…
98 00:19:46.030 ⇒ 00:19:49.259 Uttam Kumaran: Person to accomplish this, is if you actually
99 00:19:49.860 ⇒ 00:19:54.690 Uttam Kumaran: Are able to simplify the problem and the actual thing we’re trying to accomplish.
100 00:19:54.880 ⇒ 00:20:04.080 Uttam Kumaran: Help frame, like, okay, by day 30, we want to take this product, and it needs to be here, these people need to be using it, and for us to be like, okay, cool, right.
101 00:20:04.200 ⇒ 00:20:12.870 Uttam Kumaran: Right? You’re gonna find that I’m… I’m… I’m available, like, I’m gonna be… you can talk all day in Slack, but one of the things that… said another way.
102 00:20:13.280 ⇒ 00:20:20.499 Uttam Kumaran: let me tell you about ways that sometimes people struggle at Brain Forge. One, is we move very, very fast. So, like.
103 00:20:20.960 ⇒ 00:20:31.539 Uttam Kumaran: I’m… I think you’re here now, you have the platform, there’s a ton of stuff in there, and I’m… what I’m hopeful for is that I see a lot of questions from you to me, but also questions to the team.
104 00:20:31.700 ⇒ 00:20:40.379 Uttam Kumaran: Right? And so one of the things that sometimes people struggle at Brainforge is if you’re new to working remote, or you worked at a company that was maybe, like, not as communicative.
105 00:20:40.630 ⇒ 00:20:58.249 Uttam Kumaran: like, here, it’s all about communication. It’s all about waking up and being like, hey everybody, I’m working on this, I need help here, I have questions here, and then closing out the day with, I finished out this, can you review this? And really pushing, right? The one thing you’re gonna find that people that are successful at FrameForge is they…
106 00:20:58.320 ⇒ 00:21:01.710 Uttam Kumaran: They sort of drive and close the loop, right?
107 00:21:01.760 ⇒ 00:21:19.350 Uttam Kumaran: if you, for example, let’s say you spend 4 hours and you’re stuck on something, it’s not like, okay, see ya, like, I’ll just figure it out tomorrow. It’s like, hey everybody, I’m stuck on this thing, I need help right now. So you’re gonna find… if you’re nervous about, like, annoying people, or if you’re nervous about asking dumb questions, throw that all away.
108 00:21:19.430 ⇒ 00:21:20.260 Uttam Kumaran: Like…
109 00:21:20.410 ⇒ 00:21:27.149 Uttam Kumaran: the nervousness is fair. Asking… worrying about dumb questions is fair, but I’m telling you that, like, I’m gonna be…
110 00:21:27.200 ⇒ 00:21:38.769 Uttam Kumaran: more annoyed if you don’t ask the question, and if I can’t help you, because ultimately, this is where I’m gonna put the ownership on you to ask for help and to drive. And so I think some of the questions you’re asking today are great.
111 00:21:38.770 ⇒ 00:21:48.029 Uttam Kumaran: So anytime you’re spending time with me or other people, coming to the table with questions is perfect. You’re gonna find the answers. Oftentimes, people will spend a week, two weeks.
112 00:21:48.070 ⇒ 00:21:51.750 Uttam Kumaran: fiddling around, saying, I’m still working on this, still working on this, and then…
113 00:21:51.910 ⇒ 00:21:58.650 Uttam Kumaran: they’ll end up somewhere completely off the reservation, versus every day, if you’re like, hey, this is what I’m doing, is this right?
114 00:21:58.670 ⇒ 00:22:10.209 Uttam Kumaran: like, so asking for feedback fast and continuing to realign expectations. The other thing is, as available as I am in Slack, I am oftentimes in a lot of meetings, so…
115 00:22:10.210 ⇒ 00:22:22.299 Uttam Kumaran: if you’re finding that you’re not able to get ahold of me, there are so many people that know all the parts of the company that I do. And so I’m more than happy to tell you, like, you’re having this problem, go talk to this person.
116 00:22:22.320 ⇒ 00:22:42.280 Uttam Kumaran: everything and everybody at Brainforge is at your disposal. Like, we are, like, an extremely non-political… there’s not much, like, BS in our company. Everybody is gonna… like, you are gonna end up talking to everybody in the next 30 days, but people are excited for you to be here and want to help you. So that’s another thing I’m gonna tell you, is that everybody’s busy.
117 00:22:42.410 ⇒ 00:22:53.819 Uttam Kumaran: but I don’t know, depending on where you’ve worked before, you may have worked someplace where people are like, I can’t talk to you, I don’t know you, that’s not how it goes here. Like, everybody’s super, super helpful,
118 00:22:54.380 ⇒ 00:22:57.379 Uttam Kumaran: So, and everybody knows a piece of the puzzle.
119 00:22:57.490 ⇒ 00:23:06.960 Uttam Kumaran: Right. So I think your original question, which is, like, who you’re gonna be working with, I think it’s gonna be a mix of me. I think it’s gonna be a mix of whatever the problem you’re dealing with at the time.
120 00:23:07.730 ⇒ 00:23:10.199 Uttam Kumaran: Whether it’s a specific technology, whether it’s, like.
121 00:23:10.500 ⇒ 00:23:20.070 Uttam Kumaran: like, how we think about our brand or design, it’s gonna be someone who can help you. And then the last piece is, like, I think it’s gonna be helpful in the next few days for us to pick a user group.
122 00:23:20.840 ⇒ 00:23:37.779 Uttam Kumaran: let’s pick a team that you want to focus on, you know, for the 30 days, and once you start to hear about the product, you’re going to kind of see how it’s gonna fit in. Ultimately, I think me and you are great first users of this tool, but also, I think it’s gonna be helpful for us to think about
123 00:23:38.040 ⇒ 00:23:44.210 Uttam Kumaran: A user group that is, one, available, two, can give feedback, like, and is not just someone that’s like.
124 00:23:44.360 ⇒ 00:23:46.789 Uttam Kumaran: I used it, it didn’t work, I’mma throw it away.
125 00:23:46.940 ⇒ 00:24:03.989 Uttam Kumaran: And then, also, I want… what I’m very interested in seeing, and to tell you the truth, like, what my biggest piece of feedback in the interview process is, I want to know, is Miranda trying to become an amazing product manager? Right? Like, there’s a lot of roles in engineering, there’s a lot of roles in AI and go-to-market.
126 00:24:04.080 ⇒ 00:24:08.949 Uttam Kumaran: And the one thing that matters in the age of AI is, like, really depth.
127 00:24:09.210 ⇒ 00:24:12.809 Uttam Kumaran: And understanding the fundamentals, because ultimately.
128 00:24:12.910 ⇒ 00:24:20.069 Uttam Kumaran: you’re gonna automate everything, right? And I’m… but if you don’t fundamentally know each piece really, really well.
129 00:24:20.280 ⇒ 00:24:22.110 Uttam Kumaran: You’re gonna just automate slop.
130 00:24:22.230 ⇒ 00:24:32.799 Uttam Kumaran: And it’s gonna… and then you’re gonna trigger 100 things, and they’re all gonna be useless. And so one of the things you’re gonna see here, the advice I give to everybody at Brainforge, because a lot of people here are like.
131 00:24:32.860 ⇒ 00:24:51.919 Uttam Kumaran: hey, we’re automating so much, like, am I gonna be at a job? I’m like, everybody here has deep expertise in something. Yes, they’re automating, but you can see some people are extremely good at sales, extremely good at product analytics, strategy, everybody has an angle, and everybody has a deep knowledge about something, and that’s what’s gonna matter. So…
132 00:24:52.260 ⇒ 00:25:01.619 Uttam Kumaran: yes, we’re gonna move fast as, like, a platform team, but also, what I want to see is that you start to gain a real deep appreciation for
133 00:25:01.810 ⇒ 00:25:06.599 Uttam Kumaran: what’s the best… how do I become the best product manager on planet Earth?
134 00:25:06.750 ⇒ 00:25:14.869 Uttam Kumaran: Right? And so, we’re gonna bounce between both. It’s gonna be a challenge. You’re gonna have, like, oh my gosh, there’s so much going on, and you have a breath.
135 00:25:15.140 ⇒ 00:25:32.380 Uttam Kumaran: And then you’ll also, I’ll continue to say, like, rely on the fundamentals of product management, and I have… I have books and articles and whatever you need to learn, but I think that’s where you’re gonna see people at Brainforge, oftentimes, there’s a lot going on, and there’s a lot of shiny objects.
136 00:25:32.570 ⇒ 00:25:47.150 Uttam Kumaran: But really, we’re looking for people who are like, okay, I have a depth, and I know, like, what it takes to build amazing products. And really, the reason why we even have you assigned on an internal team is because until I see that.
137 00:25:47.320 ⇒ 00:26:02.169 Uttam Kumaran: then I can say, okay, cool, you’re gonna be able to crush this for clients. Because I’m one of the toughest clients. And so if I… so if you work for us, and you work at our expectations, you’re gonna find that clients is gonna be easier than the next 30 days, I promise you.
138 00:26:02.360 ⇒ 00:26:05.990 Ruixi Wen: Okay, okay, yeah, that sounds what I’m saying, exciting, yeah.
139 00:26:05.990 ⇒ 00:26:06.620 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah.
140 00:26:07.320 ⇒ 00:26:11.159 Ruixi Wen: It’s better, like, you be the toughest clients than the other way around.
141 00:26:11.160 ⇒ 00:26:18.140 Uttam Kumaran: No, I know, I know, and I’m also not, like, I’m not, like, an asshole. Like, I… I just feel like it’s… it’s… we need to hold each other
142 00:26:18.420 ⇒ 00:26:27.229 Uttam Kumaran: to super, super high expectations. And you’re gonna see that a lot of our… this next phase in our company is gonna revolve around
143 00:26:27.390 ⇒ 00:26:35.120 Uttam Kumaran: like, holding each other to high expectations, especially when we’re building products for ourselves. It’s like…
144 00:26:36.050 ⇒ 00:26:41.020 Uttam Kumaran: It’s like you walk into someone’s house, and they’re an interior designer, and the interior of their house sucks.
145 00:26:41.240 ⇒ 00:26:57.320 Uttam Kumaran: It’s like, what? You know what I mean? Like, you want to walk into an interior designer’s house, and that house is, like, insane, right? Similarly, if we’re an AI data company, our AI data has to be sick. Like, we have to crush it, and so then you’re gonna see some of that, but you’re also gonna see that
146 00:26:57.320 ⇒ 00:27:04.990 Uttam Kumaran: the platform has gone to this point, just based on, like, me working on the side and a couple people. It needs, like, a lot of refinement.
147 00:27:05.150 ⇒ 00:27:14.660 Uttam Kumaran: it’s sort of a mix-match of a lot of different things, and so that’s what you’re gonna… I’m gonna… I’m gonna tell you, like, in the next 7, 14 days, you’re gonna see that there’s so much.
148 00:27:14.770 ⇒ 00:27:30.070 Uttam Kumaran: So when you have that feeling of overwhelm, notice it, and then just say that. Say, like, yo, okay, there’s a lot going on, help me focus. And that’s where I’m gonna help you, you know, do that. And I think we picked out one particular product that’s new.
149 00:27:30.380 ⇒ 00:27:34.109 Uttam Kumaran: That’s, like, that we’re betting a lot of the company on. It’s…
150 00:27:34.250 ⇒ 00:27:39.289 Uttam Kumaran: like, it’s advancement, but also that I’m sort of out of time to spend a lot of time thinking about
151 00:27:39.520 ⇒ 00:27:43.850 Uttam Kumaran: how it’s gonna get shaped. So, I feel like it’s gonna be a great first challenge.
152 00:27:44.470 ⇒ 00:27:47.969 Ruixi Wen: Gotcha. When I get… when I will be, like, introduced to this product.
153 00:27:48.400 ⇒ 00:27:59.529 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, I mean, I can send it to you as soon as you’re in, but so one… my one point to you today, before you log off, is try to get Cursor set up with the repo. Call even…
154 00:27:59.720 ⇒ 00:28:14.160 Uttam Kumaran: I mean, one piece… one piece… everybody in… in… at Braveforged is using Kurser in the repo, so you could probably call Ricoh, you could… if B’s online, I would just try to see, hey, can you just tell me, give me 10 minutes today, and help me set this up? Don’t wait till tomorrow.
155 00:28:14.280 ⇒ 00:28:18.870 Uttam Kumaran: Because then you’re gonna be able to start looking into the roadmap for the platform.
156 00:28:19.400 ⇒ 00:28:20.400 Ruixi Wen: Got you, got you.
157 00:28:20.400 ⇒ 00:28:29.209 Uttam Kumaran: So the entire roadmap for the platform team, the entire Q2 plan, the entire roadmap, all of the products are all in the repository.
158 00:28:29.330 ⇒ 00:28:31.819 Uttam Kumaran: Under the platform team folder.
159 00:28:31.920 ⇒ 00:28:35.409 Uttam Kumaran: So that’ll give you plenty of stuff to read.
160 00:28:35.550 ⇒ 00:28:41.600 Uttam Kumaran: And, like, plenty of things to digest. So if you’re able to get that set up today, everything’s there.
161 00:28:41.800 ⇒ 00:28:55.559 Uttam Kumaran: And then my only recommendation is, if you don’t know something, ask AI, what does this mean? Say, I’m Miranda, I just joined, I’m gonna lead product here, what the heck is this thing? You know, and
162 00:28:55.650 ⇒ 00:29:08.739 Uttam Kumaran: and keep digging. It’s… it’s… I think you’re gonna be impressed with the stuff there. And then, I think tomorrow, let’s talk about how we set… how we use linear. So we use linear for all of our… I don’t know if you’re familiar with Linear or Jira from…
163 00:29:10.240 ⇒ 00:29:11.530 Uttam Kumaran: Your last spot.
164 00:29:12.090 ⇒ 00:29:14.720 Ruixi Wen: No, wait, linear is not something, like, I never touch up.
165 00:29:14.720 ⇒ 00:29:18.499 Uttam Kumaran: Did you use Jira or Asana for, like, project management stuff?
166 00:29:18.720 ⇒ 00:29:26.669 Ruixi Wen: We had a Jura, but I’m not… Okay. Not very much, like, active, I don’t need to do anything, I just, like, for me, I was just, like, viewer access, yeah.
167 00:29:26.670 ⇒ 00:29:40.439 Uttam Kumaran: Okay, you’re gonna… it’s basically, like, a nicer version of Jira, but that’s where we’re gonna do all our project planning. So there’ll be tickets there, so what we’ll do tomorrow is… I want to spend time with… for you to understand, like.
168 00:29:41.330 ⇒ 00:29:51.020 Uttam Kumaran: what it is we’re working, like, all of the things that are involved in the platform here at Brainforge. So that’s what, like, I think if you… one thing… one piece of feedback that I’ll be looking for
169 00:29:51.020 ⇒ 00:30:02.549 Uttam Kumaran: is… you’re gonna tell that I… there’s just so much going on, so if you’re finding that we’re moving too fast, just let me know, and we’ll stop and pause and focus on just the one product. Really, it’s this product called OpenWork.
170 00:30:02.590 ⇒ 00:30:14.240 Uttam Kumaran: And we’re gonna have to think about some branding around it internally. But I’ll send it to you today, I’ll send you all the documentation around it, and I encourage you to read that. But ultimately.
171 00:30:14.330 ⇒ 00:30:25.550 Uttam Kumaran: I think the easiest thing you can do is put yourself in the position of a new person at Brainforge that is looking to use AI to do their job. This tool should help you do
172 00:30:25.750 ⇒ 00:30:28.430 Uttam Kumaran: Fats. And you’re gonna see that it’s, like.
173 00:30:28.720 ⇒ 00:30:33.610 Uttam Kumaran: it’s a ver- it’s like, it’s similar to all the things I’m describing in Kersher, but a lot simpler.
174 00:30:33.750 ⇒ 00:30:38.989 Uttam Kumaran: like, it’s sort of similar to Clawed Toework, if you’ve used that recently.
175 00:30:39.560 ⇒ 00:30:50.910 Uttam Kumaran: And yeah, so once you’re in there, tomorrow we can spend time just talking through your questions, and… and really, like, this is the product I kind of want to hand to you to say, okay, how do we take this to the… to the…
176 00:30:51.070 ⇒ 00:30:53.579 Uttam Kumaran: Point where people are starting to use it this month.
177 00:30:53.690 ⇒ 00:31:11.489 Uttam Kumaran: And it’s close, like, it’s almost there, but it’s not gonna get done with me just working on it part-time, so I think I’m kinda gonna hand it to you. And then you’ll see that this is just one product out of, like, 6 or 7 different things that we’re working on. The last thing I’ll mention is,
178 00:31:11.710 ⇒ 00:31:20.139 Uttam Kumaran: one of the… one of the objectives for this team is that 50% or more of the tickets on the platform team are going to be done by AI, entirely.
179 00:31:20.370 ⇒ 00:31:23.739 Uttam Kumaran: And so one of the things I’m gonna always challenge you is, like.
180 00:31:24.510 ⇒ 00:31:31.730 Uttam Kumaran: to start to think about… you’re gonna see there’s a lot of writing in the repo about this, but you’re gonna see that I want you to…
181 00:31:31.850 ⇒ 00:31:36.440 Uttam Kumaran: what I want to challenge you is that this team doesn’t need engineers.
182 00:31:36.590 ⇒ 00:31:36.990 Ruixi Wen: Right.
183 00:31:36.990 ⇒ 00:31:43.650 Uttam Kumaran: From the design, from the idea, to the design, to the research, the implementation, to the testing, to the adoption.
184 00:31:43.840 ⇒ 00:31:46.060 Uttam Kumaran: You’re gonna be able to do single-handedly.
185 00:31:46.190 ⇒ 00:31:46.940 Uttam Kumaran: like…
186 00:31:47.140 ⇒ 00:32:05.589 Uttam Kumaran: I’m… you won’t… I haven’t written a line of code in a long time, like, you’re gonna be able to do all of it, but what I’m gonna push is that if you find yourself manually doing stuff, always remind yourself, like, okay, how can I do this with AI? And you’re gonna see everything that’s been built in the platform
187 00:32:05.880 ⇒ 00:32:09.159 Uttam Kumaran: like, especially the last 6 months, we’ve done everything through AI.
188 00:32:09.330 ⇒ 00:32:15.950 Uttam Kumaran: And so one of this team’s objectives is that all of our work, 50% of it, is going to be done through AI.
189 00:32:16.120 ⇒ 00:32:19.169 Uttam Kumaran: And the way we’re measuring that is we have linear for tickets.
190 00:32:19.280 ⇒ 00:32:22.309 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah. And you’ll see, you can be able to assign tickets to AI.
191 00:32:22.830 ⇒ 00:32:25.600 Uttam Kumaran: And so that’s just, like, another…
192 00:32:25.930 ⇒ 00:32:36.489 Uttam Kumaran: sort of challenge for you to kind of observe and see, like, okay, how do we actually do that? Because ultimately, if our team doesn’t do that, how can we convince the other teams at the company that it’s possible, you know?
193 00:32:36.850 ⇒ 00:32:41.159 Ruixi Wen: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Wow, that’s definitely something very ambitious, but very exciting.
194 00:32:41.160 ⇒ 00:32:48.130 Uttam Kumaran: It may not make sense to you right now, but it will, I promise you. All the tools are there, and
195 00:32:48.240 ⇒ 00:32:50.900 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, I think we’re gonna hit it, it’s gonna be great.
196 00:32:51.540 ⇒ 00:33:00.969 Ruixi Wen: Awesome, awesome. And what about the, like, less than 50% that’s been left for the tickets? Like, are they pushed to the, like, Sam’s team, or…
197 00:33:01.300 ⇒ 00:33:06.589 Uttam Kumaran: No, we’re gonna… we’re gonna do it. I think we’ll… I think we’ll see. So the, kind of the way I’m thinking about it is that,
198 00:33:08.470 ⇒ 00:33:13.590 Uttam Kumaran: The way I’m thinking about it is that I think there’s gonna be a set of tickets that can be done end-to-end with AI.
199 00:33:13.960 ⇒ 00:33:14.470 Ruixi Wen: Hmm.
200 00:33:14.470 ⇒ 00:33:17.870 Uttam Kumaran: This includes design, this includes ideation, like.
201 00:33:18.050 ⇒ 00:33:23.559 Uttam Kumaran: everything, and then the rest of it, I think we’ll either work on it manually, or where we need help, I’ll call
202 00:33:24.030 ⇒ 00:33:25.570 Uttam Kumaran: On the rest of the team for help.
203 00:33:26.070 ⇒ 00:33:34.100 Uttam Kumaran: But I want to challenge ourselves, like, okay, can me, you, and then you haven’t met Clarence yet. Clarence is also kind of part-time on our team.
204 00:33:34.230 ⇒ 00:33:35.889 Uttam Kumaran: Can the three of us do everything?
205 00:33:36.140 ⇒ 00:33:38.969 Uttam Kumaran: Do we even need engineers? Or…
206 00:33:39.480 ⇒ 00:33:43.099 Uttam Kumaran: If we need them, what are the types of things they need to do, and then…
207 00:33:43.450 ⇒ 00:33:54.230 Uttam Kumaran: how do we, like, just throw it over to them, be like, we just need help on this one piece, you know? So, Sam and some of the other AI teams, some of the data team, we will consult, but I want to challenge us to see, like.
208 00:33:54.360 ⇒ 00:33:56.930 Uttam Kumaran: Can we just do it ourselves, you know, entirely?
209 00:33:57.450 ⇒ 00:34:00.320 Ruixi Wen: I see, okay, okay, cool, cool, cool.
210 00:34:00.620 ⇒ 00:34:04.340 Uttam Kumaran: Because we’re the guinea… we’re the… we’re the guinea pig in the larger guinea pig.
211 00:34:04.890 ⇒ 00:34:09.470 Uttam Kumaran: You could see that, like, the whole company is, like, the guinea pig of the platform team.
212 00:34:09.630 ⇒ 00:34:12.159 Uttam Kumaran: Ultimately, the platform team itself
213 00:34:12.320 ⇒ 00:34:18.029 Uttam Kumaran: that’s our team, and we’re gonna be like, can we actually do all this low? You know, and I wanna…
214 00:34:18.780 ⇒ 00:34:20.939 Ruixi Wen: Project, project hypothesis, product hypothesis.
215 00:34:20.940 ⇒ 00:34:29.800 Uttam Kumaran: Yes, yes, exactly. So… You know, it’s kind of interesting because… We are an AI company.
216 00:34:30.290 ⇒ 00:34:35.580 Uttam Kumaran: We are a data and AI company, we’re using data and AI To work faster.
217 00:34:35.980 ⇒ 00:34:50.780 Uttam Kumaran: But we’re also selling AI services, so the more we learn about AI, the better our services get, the better our team gets at delivering those services, like a vicious circle, right? But ultimately, our team and the platform team, and this is, again, like, something that
218 00:34:51.159 ⇒ 00:34:58.509 Uttam Kumaran: if you’re thinking about expectations, we need to be on the edge. Like, we need to know deep down what’s possible.
219 00:34:58.730 ⇒ 00:35:07.180 Uttam Kumaran: and push the rest of the organization forward, you know? But in addition, because we’re on the edge.
220 00:35:07.520 ⇒ 00:35:15.699 Uttam Kumaran: we have, like, the flashlight. Like, there’s not, like, a ton… you’re gonna find the things that we’re doing are the things you’re probably reading on Twitter and LinkedIn, like, there’s not…
221 00:35:16.760 ⇒ 00:35:23.429 Uttam Kumaran: I don’t have all the answers to, like, some of the ways, so we have to figure it out, we have to research, we have to debate,
222 00:35:23.700 ⇒ 00:35:25.930 Uttam Kumaran: No, all I know, it’s totally possible.
223 00:35:25.960 ⇒ 00:35:27.840 Ruixi Wen: Yeah, I thought, you know.
224 00:35:28.060 ⇒ 00:35:33.440 Ruixi Wen: really, like, advanced, like, workflows automations that people are trying to use that are, like, quite helpful.
225 00:35:33.440 ⇒ 00:35:38.789 Uttam Kumaran: Yes. Yeah, so that’s why I learned everything I’m doing now through a lot on X.
226 00:35:38.900 ⇒ 00:35:49.950 Uttam Kumaran: Like, that’s where all the conversations are happening about how to automate businesses, and I think the one thing I also want to share is that our business isn’t actually that complicated.
227 00:35:51.500 ⇒ 00:35:56.399 Uttam Kumaran: like, we have… we have a set of things that we do in data, we have a set of things we do in AI, like.
228 00:35:56.510 ⇒ 00:35:57.949 Uttam Kumaran: We’re not running, like.
229 00:35:58.370 ⇒ 00:36:11.659 Uttam Kumaran: a nuclear lab, right? We’re not running some, like, super complicated physical business. It’s just a consulting company, right? So that should… so, for me, that gives me a lot of confidence that, okay, I think we can actually, like, automate
230 00:36:11.820 ⇒ 00:36:13.310 Uttam Kumaran: Quite a lot of stuff, but…
231 00:36:13.910 ⇒ 00:36:19.210 Uttam Kumaran: the way I’m… but our business is about people, right? And that’s why you’re gonna find that
232 00:36:19.420 ⇒ 00:36:32.259 Uttam Kumaran: the reason why everybody at Brainforge is really nice, really welcoming, also very technical, is by design. Because that’s ultimately what matters. Nobody’s gonna call Brainforge and want to deal with an AI robot. They want to work with people.
233 00:36:32.540 ⇒ 00:36:51.489 Uttam Kumaran: Right? And the more that our people can spend time on Zoom, in person, meeting clients, empathizing, learning about their problems, the more successful we’re gonna be. I don’t want them to sit behind laptops all day coding. Like, they need to… people… we need to be calling and spending time and understanding more of the problems of our clients.
234 00:36:51.490 ⇒ 00:37:04.460 Uttam Kumaran: And ultimately, like, there’s no replacing people, like, in our business. We’re… we monetize expertise, so the more we can put our experts in front of the clients, have them just do what they do great, which is
235 00:37:04.490 ⇒ 00:37:07.580 Uttam Kumaran: Show that they know everything about their subject matter area.
236 00:37:07.710 ⇒ 00:37:20.500 Uttam Kumaran: like, we’re gonna be successful. Where our business is tough is that the people that are doing that work also… they’re meeting the clients, and then they have to go sit on… sit behind something for 6 hours and work.
237 00:37:20.630 ⇒ 00:37:38.109 Uttam Kumaran: So the more we can automate their project planning, their deck building, their strategy development, the more time they can spend with clients. And that’s our limitation, you know? Because I’m gonna go get these extremely smart, strategic thinkers, but ultimately, like.
238 00:37:38.240 ⇒ 00:37:40.090 Uttam Kumaran: We need to help them with everything.
239 00:37:40.340 ⇒ 00:37:41.870 Uttam Kumaran: In the background, you know?
240 00:37:41.870 ⇒ 00:37:42.560 Ruixi Wen: So we’re.
241 00:37:42.560 ⇒ 00:37:49.469 Uttam Kumaran: We’re truly, like, an enablement team. And then, ultimately, we are gonna go help other companies do exactly the same thing.
242 00:37:49.680 ⇒ 00:38:02.280 Uttam Kumaran: Right? So we’re gonna go to companies and say, here’s how, at Brainforge, we built our own products, we made AI adoption really important, and from day one, people are given the tools they need to, like.
243 00:38:02.410 ⇒ 00:38:10.479 Uttam Kumaran: be 10x the nearest competitor. That’s the story, like, we’re trying to… we’re trying to tell, and we’re trying to sell that, you know?
244 00:38:11.850 ⇒ 00:38:15.280 Ruixi Wen: Yes, yes. Totally, totally valid, totally makes sense.
245 00:38:15.720 ⇒ 00:38:20.299 Ruixi Wen: Yeah, that would be, like, really revolutionary in terms of, like, productivity.
246 00:38:20.490 ⇒ 00:38:27.809 Ruixi Wen: As well as, like, as we said, like, the in-person connection with the client. By the way, are you, are you in NYC for clients this time?
247 00:38:27.810 ⇒ 00:38:40.040 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, we are, we have a deal that’s about to close with a big client, so… Robert is actually just in this coffee shop right here. I just stepped out. But, yeah, I’m only here for 24 hours, I’ll be home tomorrow.
248 00:38:40.040 ⇒ 00:38:40.840 Ruixi Wen: Oh, wow.
249 00:38:40.840 ⇒ 00:38:51.719 Uttam Kumaran: I don’t usually travel that much, but this is a really big… Potential clients, so… So be it.
250 00:38:51.720 ⇒ 00:38:54.330 Ruixi Wen: Awesome, and thank you so much for taking this time to have us.
251 00:38:54.330 ⇒ 00:39:01.930 Uttam Kumaran: Oh, no, no, no, no, no, it’s your first day. Sorry, I feel bad, like, moving it around. I literally booked this fight, like, yesterday, so it’s like…
252 00:39:02.590 ⇒ 00:39:13.790 Uttam Kumaran: it’s just kind of chaotic, but we’re growing a lot, and yeah, I think rely on… rely on all of us, like, Kayla, Pranav, Rico, me, B,
253 00:39:14.050 ⇒ 00:39:19.170 Uttam Kumaran: Like, everybody here wants you to win this thing, you know? So…
254 00:39:19.290 ⇒ 00:39:29.069 Uttam Kumaran: I think that’s not often the case at most companies, but, like, my job is for you to crush this, you know, so I’m gonna do whatever I can to make that possible, but…
255 00:39:29.270 ⇒ 00:39:33.129 Uttam Kumaran: again, I think if I could give you one piece of advice, is to go really, really deep
256 00:39:33.250 ⇒ 00:39:42.689 Uttam Kumaran: Because you’re gonna see that, like, we move really fast, so if you don’t have a real fundamental understanding of the products, or why we’re doing the things we’re doing.
257 00:39:42.800 ⇒ 00:39:52.400 Uttam Kumaran: And, like, you make… typically, you may call this, like, product intuition, right? If you don’t have that, like, intuition, you’re gonna see everything is built on top of that.
258 00:39:52.730 ⇒ 00:40:00.640 Uttam Kumaran: So, like, let’s maybe try to spend… we can spend this week really having you get a deep understanding of the tool that we’re trying to develop.
259 00:40:00.790 ⇒ 00:40:04.810 Uttam Kumaran: Understanding why it matters, like, what are the metrics we’re trying to affect?
260 00:40:04.980 ⇒ 00:40:08.620 Uttam Kumaran: Like, who is the human being that we’re trying to impact with this technology?
261 00:40:08.850 ⇒ 00:40:12.859 Uttam Kumaran: And then you’ll be off to the races, and then in parallel.
262 00:40:13.110 ⇒ 00:40:18.040 Uttam Kumaran: get really familiar with Cursor, and using it to answer any question you have.
263 00:40:18.400 ⇒ 00:40:20.299 Uttam Kumaran: It’ll all start to click.
264 00:40:21.060 ⇒ 00:40:25.840 Ruixi Wen: Yeah, awesome, awesome. Yeah, sounds great. Yeah, I’m looking forward to see.
265 00:40:25.960 ⇒ 00:40:31.239 Ruixi Wen: Like, all the, the cursor we pull, as well as, like, this product doc, yeah.
266 00:40:31.540 ⇒ 00:40:32.590 Ruixi Wen: Cool.
267 00:40:33.050 ⇒ 00:40:34.340 Uttam Kumaran: What else?
268 00:40:34.880 ⇒ 00:40:35.470 Ruixi Wen: Yeah.
269 00:40:35.670 ⇒ 00:40:37.170 Ruixi Wen: I think that’s it. That’s it?
270 00:40:37.290 ⇒ 00:40:48.120 Ruixi Wen: Yeah, on top of my mind right now, but I definitely have, like, more, like, nitty-gritty questions, but I think… but I think learning about, like, how we want to, like, really push things
271 00:40:48.430 ⇒ 00:40:57.260 Ruixi Wen: by us three, like, was something, like, very helpful. I had a lot of questions about, like, how to collaborate with the engineering team and stuff, but I guess it doesn’t necessarily apply how.
272 00:40:57.260 ⇒ 00:41:00.540 Uttam Kumaran: No, no, no, I’m telling you there, if you’re… yeah, like…
273 00:41:00.850 ⇒ 00:41:19.109 Uttam Kumaran: it’s something I realized 6 months ago. Like, I was waiting to build all these things, because I was like, I don’t know backend, I don’t know DevOps, and then I said, F it, I’m just gonna try, and then I learned it. And so, what we’re gonna find is we can’t wait. Like, each of us needs to be a one-man
274 00:41:19.260 ⇒ 00:41:20.569 Uttam Kumaran: One-man army?
275 00:41:20.780 ⇒ 00:41:21.430 Ruixi Wen: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
276 00:41:21.430 ⇒ 00:41:24.559 Uttam Kumaran: That’s also… that’s what the… that’s the tool we’re trying to develop.
277 00:41:24.730 ⇒ 00:41:29.420 Uttam Kumaran: You know, is trying to make everybody a one-man army. And so, it’s tough.
278 00:41:29.750 ⇒ 00:41:30.600 Uttam Kumaran: But…
279 00:41:30.870 ⇒ 00:41:42.469 Uttam Kumaran: that’s what it takes, you know, is for us to really try it out, and see whether we can make it happen. But, yeah, I mean, I don’t know, I was gonna say, see if you can catch somebody before they log off, if they can help you set things up.
280 00:41:43.480 ⇒ 00:41:44.869 Ruixi Wen: Yes, yes, will do.
281 00:41:45.090 ⇒ 00:41:57.039 Ruixi Wen: Yeah. And also, like, just, like, for my questions, like, should I… if I have, like, I don’t know, whatever questions I have, like, should I, by default, like, reach out to you, or reach out to AI team for something like that?
282 00:41:57.040 ⇒ 00:41:59.570 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, put it… put it in the platform team channel.
283 00:42:00.030 ⇒ 00:42:01.809 Ruixi Wen: The platform team channel?
284 00:42:02.290 ⇒ 00:42:04.540 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, there’s a channel called Platform.
285 00:42:04.970 ⇒ 00:42:07.830 Uttam Kumaran: Put all your questions in there, and…
286 00:42:08.150 ⇒ 00:42:10.629 Uttam Kumaran: There’s a bunch of people on that channel that can help answer.
287 00:42:11.210 ⇒ 00:42:13.369 Ruixi Wen: Okay, okay. Cool.
288 00:42:14.330 ⇒ 00:42:16.230 Uttam Kumaran: I’ll add you to it in a sec, too.
289 00:42:16.570 ⇒ 00:42:21.810 Ruixi Wen: Okay, cool, awesome, awesome, yeah. Okay. Okay. Have a blessed love.
290 00:42:21.810 ⇒ 00:42:24.379 Uttam Kumaran: Where are you in SF, by the way?
291 00:42:24.650 ⇒ 00:42:27.400 Ruixi Wen: I live in Mission Bay right now. Yeah.
292 00:42:27.400 ⇒ 00:42:30.669 Uttam Kumaran: I’m gonna be in SF on Wednesday, I don’t know if I’ll be in the city.
293 00:42:30.990 ⇒ 00:42:33.320 Uttam Kumaran: I’ll be in the East Bay.
294 00:42:33.440 ⇒ 00:42:37.310 Uttam Kumaran: But I’ll let you know if I come into the city for something. I’m just visiting family.
295 00:42:37.590 ⇒ 00:42:41.400 Ruixi Wen: Yes, yes. Oh, you, yeah, yeah, you’re from us. You’re from Bay Area, yeah.
296 00:42:41.400 ⇒ 00:42:46.400 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, I’m from the East Bay, yeah, but I’m just visiting family, so I’m not planning on coming to SF.
297 00:42:46.570 ⇒ 00:42:48.139 Ruixi Wen: Are you from Oakland, or…
298 00:42:48.280 ⇒ 00:42:49.310 Uttam Kumaran: From San Ramon.
299 00:42:49.740 ⇒ 00:42:51.399 Ruixi Wen: Ginger Mall, oh, nice!
300 00:42:51.600 ⇒ 00:42:52.290 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah.
301 00:42:52.520 ⇒ 00:42:54.780 Uttam Kumaran: So, if I,
302 00:42:55.420 ⇒ 00:42:59.590 Uttam Kumaran: If I can meet up, I’ll tell you, but I’m not sure yet. I don’t know what my plans are, so…
303 00:42:59.590 ⇒ 00:43:04.460 Ruixi Wen: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, let me know, like, my place is, like, next to the highway, actually, like…
304 00:43:04.460 ⇒ 00:43:06.149 Uttam Kumaran: Where… are you near Barr at all?
305 00:43:06.920 ⇒ 00:43:11.189 Ruixi Wen: I’m not sure about a bar. Not really. I usually drive, yeah.
306 00:43:11.700 ⇒ 00:43:15.080 Uttam Kumaran: You… are you… where is Mission Bay? Is that, like, north?
307 00:43:15.080 ⇒ 00:43:16.959 Ruixi Wen: your culture. It’s, like, on the east.
308 00:43:16.960 ⇒ 00:43:22.299 Uttam Kumaran: Oh, okay, okay, okay. So you’re near, like, San Mateo Bridge, where you can kind of get closer there?
309 00:43:22.880 ⇒ 00:43:27.189 Ruixi Wen: Still a bit of the distance from there. It’s, like, more southeast, if that makes sense, yeah.
310 00:43:27.190 ⇒ 00:43:28.570 Uttam Kumaran: Oh, okay, okay, okay.
311 00:43:28.920 ⇒ 00:43:33.910 Uttam Kumaran: Okay Cool. Alright, I’ll let you know. If I can, I’ll try.
312 00:43:33.910 ⇒ 00:43:34.350 Ruixi Wen: gradual.
313 00:43:34.350 ⇒ 00:43:38.409 Uttam Kumaran: I know, I know. This is… my girlfriend was like.
314 00:43:39.130 ⇒ 00:43:44.970 Uttam Kumaran: how are you gonna trial? I said, dude, you just gotta lock in. Gotta just do whatever it takes.
315 00:43:44.970 ⇒ 00:43:46.280 Ruixi Wen: South, east, west, like…
316 00:43:46.280 ⇒ 00:43:52.790 Uttam Kumaran: I know, I know, I know. But, no, it’s great, it’s great. I appreciate it.
317 00:43:53.000 ⇒ 00:43:58.190 Ruixi Wen: Okay, awesome. Then, take care, and, best of luck for the deal, yeah.
318 00:43:58.190 ⇒ 00:44:00.600 Uttam Kumaran: Okay, alright, thank you so much, I’ll talk to you soon.
319 00:44:00.740 ⇒ 00:44:01.720 Ruixi Wen: Goodbye with him.
320 00:44:01.720 ⇒ 00:44:02.660 Uttam Kumaran: Okay, thanks.