Meeting Title: Brainforge x Abdullah Ahmad Intro Chat Date: 2026-03-26 Meeting participants: Abdullah Ahmad, Kaela Gallagher
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1 00:03:09.530 ⇒ 00:03:11.210 Kaela Gallagher: Hi, how’s it going?
2 00:03:11.830 ⇒ 00:03:14.100 Abdullah Ahmad: Hey Kyla, I’m doing good, how are you?
3 00:03:14.100 ⇒ 00:03:15.909 Kaela Gallagher: Good. Is it Abdul?
4 00:03:16.190 ⇒ 00:03:17.770 Abdullah Ahmad: Yeah, exactly, Abdullah.
5 00:03:17.770 ⇒ 00:03:19.899 Kaela Gallagher: Abdullah, nice to meet you.
6 00:03:19.900 ⇒ 00:03:22.439 Abdullah Ahmad: to meet you, and is it also Kyla?
7 00:03:22.440 ⇒ 00:03:23.339 Kaela Gallagher: Kayla, yeah.
8 00:03:23.340 ⇒ 00:03:27.670 Abdullah Ahmad: Kayla, okay, okay. I thought I was almost there, just wasn’t sure, yeah, close enough.
9 00:03:27.670 ⇒ 00:03:40.919 Kaela Gallagher: Well, I’m so glad that Jasmine introduced us. Yeah, just excited to, like, learn a little bit more about you. I will say, just to be, like, fully transparent right now, we’re not
10 00:03:40.920 ⇒ 00:04:00.440 Kaela Gallagher: actively hiring, like, analysts for our team. We’re really focused on, like, engineering roles right now. However, I’m always, you know, wanting to talk to great talent, and I know, like, Jasmine’s not, it takes a lot for her to, like, recommend somebody, so I know she thinks really highly of you.
11 00:04:00.440 ⇒ 00:04:11.819 Abdullah Ahmad: Jasmine is really, really kind, and she’s a really competent individual, so I was really glad she shared my profile, and potentially, maybe we can see if there’s opportunity for me to continue working with her.
12 00:04:12.000 ⇒ 00:04:17.229 Kaela Gallagher: Awesome, awesome. Can you tell me a little bit more about, like, what you’ve been doing with TikTok recently?
13 00:04:17.230 ⇒ 00:04:25.530 Abdullah Ahmad: Yeah, sure, sure. So, primarily, I’ve been within the data and consultancy space for the past 7 years.
14 00:04:25.850 ⇒ 00:04:35.999 Abdullah Ahmad: all across North America, Middle East, and South Asia. Most recently, my role had been with TikTok as an investigations and insights data analyst.
15 00:04:36.120 ⇒ 00:04:45.929 Abdullah Ahmad: First, with their trust and safety pillar, and then with their tech and product team. And essentially, like, my role, like, consisted of 3 primary responsibilities.
16 00:04:46.330 ⇒ 00:04:51.959 Abdullah Ahmad: Number one was working directly with the LLM AI models for content moderation.
17 00:04:52.140 ⇒ 00:05:09.890 Abdullah Ahmad: So the processes of, like, training those models with in-context strategy, policy, and examples, as well as working towards, like, assessing for fairness and bias, as well as precision and recall benchmarking in order to assess launch readiness for the products themselves.
18 00:05:10.180 ⇒ 00:05:16.200 Abdullah Ahmad: Secondly, it was more focused towards data analysis, directed towards, leadership briefings.
19 00:05:16.610 ⇒ 00:05:27.559 Abdullah Ahmad: So created SQL and Hive and Python SQL logics, essentially to understand the narratives around content and policy violation behaviors by users.
20 00:05:27.560 ⇒ 00:05:38.969 Abdullah Ahmad: And I was the lead data analyst for the Civic Integrity Team, which was the team that was looking over the 2024 U.S. elections. So my role was, like, developing dashboards.
21 00:05:39.180 ⇒ 00:05:47.490 Abdullah Ahmad: And creating leadership briefs on a daily basis, and communicating that to the head of trust and safety program, as well as the CEO of the USDS program.
22 00:05:47.850 ⇒ 00:05:58.260 Abdullah Ahmad: Thirdly, and finally, was working towards creating metrics frameworks, essentially, in order to assess program performance and team performance.
23 00:05:58.420 ⇒ 00:06:06.879 Abdullah Ahmad: So creating dashboards, analyzing the data in order to understand the scope and the delivery of the KPIs, and making sure.
24 00:06:07.050 ⇒ 00:06:14.960 Abdullah Ahmad: That the metric-wise, the team was performing at an area where it was measurable, as well as, like, showing impact for the organization.
25 00:06:15.470 ⇒ 00:06:33.850 Kaela Gallagher: Okay, awesome. When you were doing, like, the dashboarding or, like, preparing for, like, the leadership briefings, were you ever, like, presenting directly to, like, clients or stakeholders, or were you kind of, like, handing that off for someone else to present?
26 00:06:34.120 ⇒ 00:06:44.110 Abdullah Ahmad: Yeah, so this went in two capacities. Number one was periodical submissions, which went out on a daily basis and a weekly basis, and this went directly to the head of trust and safety.
27 00:06:44.380 ⇒ 00:07:03.160 Abdullah Ahmad: As well as the USDS, CEO. However, for specific programs around escalations, so, for example, like a major event is happening on platform, you can imagine some of those cases where, the Israel-Hamas conflict, or the Luigi Mangioni incidents.
28 00:07:03.160 ⇒ 00:07:09.380 Abdullah Ahmad: A lot of my work focused on dealing with data directly related to violations across that space.
29 00:07:09.380 ⇒ 00:07:26.549 Abdullah Ahmad: And in that, I had, like, a more direct face-to-face, weekly meetings with the head of trust and safety in order to, walk her through, essentially, what are the changing trends are, as well as to understand where the gaps are to suggest policy changes and refactoring exercises.
30 00:07:26.920 ⇒ 00:07:33.910 Kaela Gallagher: Okay, okay, got it. Are you still with TikTok currently, or, like, what is making you interested in a new position?
31 00:07:33.910 ⇒ 00:07:40.180 Abdullah Ahmad: Yeah, so actually, like, I just parted ways with them, like, very recently, as of last week.
32 00:07:40.380 ⇒ 00:07:58.100 Abdullah Ahmad: This was, like, coming about as a result of the org changes that the team is going through, and they’re eliminating few positions within geographical locations. However, like, to… I mean, first off, I really enjoyed my work with them. I thought, like, it was high impact, and it was, like, really, really important just for my professional development as well.
33 00:07:58.100 ⇒ 00:07:58.500 Kaela Gallagher: Absolutely.
34 00:07:58.500 ⇒ 00:08:07.109 Abdullah Ahmad: Like, how things, with the larger tech sector, it seems like it’s the layoff season again, where they’re cutting team sizes.
35 00:08:07.110 ⇒ 00:08:23.480 Abdullah Ahmad: So I’m looking at new opportunities, but I think it’s coming at a good time, because I also wanted to focus more towards directly with AI applications, specifically, even though my role currently did include a lot of that, but with just the changing market and where the demand is.
36 00:08:23.480 ⇒ 00:08:33.320 Abdullah Ahmad: want to be more, upfront, in those roles, like, which deal directly, with AI solutions. So I am interviewing with a few places as well.
37 00:08:33.340 ⇒ 00:08:41.050 Abdullah Ahmad: Particularly within the AI space as well. Both here as well as, like, within Qatar and Dubai as well.
38 00:08:41.450 ⇒ 00:08:48.360 Abdullah Ahmad: But, like, ideally, I think I want to, like, explore more opportunities within U.S, like, before I relocate again.
39 00:08:48.380 ⇒ 00:09:01.850 Abdullah Ahmad: And Jasmine says great things about the organization, and the more I look into it, it seems like this is, like, a place, to be at this time. Great culture, smaller team, startup. Yeah. Everything’s super, super exciting, it seems.
40 00:09:02.010 ⇒ 00:09:05.670 Kaela Gallagher: 100%. Where… where are you based in the U.S. right now?
41 00:09:05.670 ⇒ 00:09:18.219 Abdullah Ahmad: Yeah, so currently I’m based in Washington, D.C, but, yeah, my location here isn’t specific. I can, like, open to relocating as well, although I did see that most of these roles, or all of these roles, like, said remote.
42 00:09:18.640 ⇒ 00:09:25.910 Abdullah Ahmad: But yeah, relocation isn’t really an issue right now, depending on, like, the position and what the job looks like.
43 00:09:26.210 ⇒ 00:09:38.829 Kaela Gallagher: Okay, okay, cool. Yeah, just to give kind of an overview of, like, Brainforge, I know Jasmine’s already told you quite a bit, and she can probably give you a little bit more detail than me, she’s actually been here longer than I have, but…
44 00:09:39.360 ⇒ 00:10:02.910 Kaela Gallagher: We are fully remote right now. We even have, like, some talent outside of the U.S. With that being said, especially for, like, our strategy team moving forward, we have, like, 5 people in LA currently, and then our CEO is in Austin, as well as, like, another team member, so we’re starting to build, like, a little bit of a presence in those two locations.
45 00:10:03.170 ⇒ 00:10:04.130 Abdullah Ahmad: So…
46 00:10:04.130 ⇒ 00:10:09.500 Kaela Gallagher: If you’re open to relocation, like, that’s definitely a bonus for us, but we don’t have, like.
47 00:10:09.820 ⇒ 00:10:15.059 Kaela Gallagher: anything formalized in any of those locations yet, although, like, I’m in LA, and I’m going.
48 00:10:15.060 ⇒ 00:10:15.400 Abdullah Ahmad: Okay.
49 00:10:15.400 ⇒ 00:10:18.650 Kaela Gallagher: like, co-work with all the other LA people this afternoon.
50 00:10:18.650 ⇒ 00:10:19.400 Abdullah Ahmad: Okay.
51 00:10:19.400 ⇒ 00:10:21.139 Kaela Gallagher: it together, like, once a week.
52 00:10:21.430 ⇒ 00:10:22.470 Abdullah Ahmad: Oh, that’s great!
53 00:10:22.470 ⇒ 00:10:27.019 Kaela Gallagher: Half a day, so it’s nothing crazy, but we do enjoy, like, seeing each other, so…
54 00:10:27.360 ⇒ 00:10:28.389 Abdullah Ahmad: No, I get that.
55 00:10:28.390 ⇒ 00:10:29.239 Kaela Gallagher: That out there, yeah.
56 00:10:29.240 ⇒ 00:10:33.589 Abdullah Ahmad: Yeah, I like… I like the hybrid… to be honest, I like the hybrid structure more also.
57 00:10:33.890 ⇒ 00:10:50.130 Abdullah Ahmad: Just like those stay-at-home days are really great for actually getting the work done, but I think that there is that need for some sort of collaboration on a periodical basis, particularly. I think it’s just great for an organization, especially for a startup or someone in, like, their nascent stages.
58 00:10:50.500 ⇒ 00:10:50.850 Kaela Gallagher: Yes.
59 00:10:50.850 ⇒ 00:10:58.560 Abdullah Ahmad: I definitely see a great value there as well. So yeah, from my side, like, I’m open to whatever the company, policy is around this.
60 00:10:58.820 ⇒ 00:11:08.119 Kaela Gallagher: Okay, okay, that’s great to hear. Yeah, so in terms of our openings right now, we’re hiring a few engineers. We definitely have a need on that side.
61 00:11:08.120 ⇒ 00:11:08.500 Abdullah Ahmad: C.
62 00:11:08.500 ⇒ 00:11:23.030 Kaela Gallagher: strategy team, our biggest need right now is what we call a CSO, so Client Success Owner. This is somebody that is working directly with clients and managing, like, all of the work streams that we’re providing them.
63 00:11:23.360 ⇒ 00:11:23.710 Abdullah Ahmad: Okay.
64 00:11:23.710 ⇒ 00:11:35.579 Kaela Gallagher: Right now, our offerings are categorized into, like, data, AI, and then strategy and analytics, and we have most of our delivery team, like, falling within one of those, categories.
65 00:11:35.580 ⇒ 00:11:44.310 Kaela Gallagher: So, this would fall under, like, the strategy and analytics branch, and the CSO basically represents BrainForge to the client.
66 00:11:44.370 ⇒ 00:11:45.260 Abdullah Ahmad: Mmm.
67 00:11:45.280 ⇒ 00:11:52.869 Kaela Gallagher: Ensures, like, client satisfaction, and then also should be able to, you know, like, sell additional work,
68 00:11:53.370 ⇒ 00:11:55.839 Kaela Gallagher: If scope creep starts to happen, maybe bring in, like.
69 00:11:55.840 ⇒ 00:11:56.210 Abdullah Ahmad: Of course.
70 00:11:56.210 ⇒ 00:12:07.270 Kaela Gallagher: SOW and, yeah, bring us some more business in that way. So, that’s kind of our main need on the strategy team right now. I think we’re open to…
71 00:12:07.440 ⇒ 00:12:08.599 Kaela Gallagher: you know…
72 00:12:08.700 ⇒ 00:12:19.190 Kaela Gallagher: hiring for other positions, but with the understanding that we want every… like, we want this person to move into that CSO role, basically.
73 00:12:19.190 ⇒ 00:12:37.010 Abdullah Ahmad: I see, I see. I mean, first off, thank you, for that context. I think, like, super useful, because actually my transition into the data space actually happened, from the consultancy side. So prior to, like, me being… coming to U.S. for my grad school at Carnegie Mellon.
74 00:12:37.010 ⇒ 00:12:50.379 Abdullah Ahmad: I was actually a consultant within Qatar for a company called Berzan Holdings, and essentially, like, this team was part of the government infrastructure, which helped the local ministries.
75 00:12:50.730 ⇒ 00:13:10.069 Abdullah Ahmad: in order to, like, launch and assess projects, as well as, like, to make decisions around procurement and investments for the organization as well. So I was with them for about 4 years, and some of my projects faced, like, directly with the stakeholders. So, for example, there again, I was submitting, like, weekly briefs.
76 00:13:10.070 ⇒ 00:13:21.640 Abdullah Ahmad: to the Amir’s office, which is basically, essentially, the administrative office of the King itself, and then three of my projects actually were directly with the Ministry of Interior, Ministry of Foreign Affairs, as well as
77 00:13:21.640 ⇒ 00:13:26.349 Abdullah Ahmad: Ministry of Defense, which required regular stakeholder meetings
78 00:13:26.350 ⇒ 00:13:41.769 Abdullah Ahmad: directly with the Office of the Minister itself and the briefings to the Minister. A big part of these projects was, like, data analysis and helping them make data-driven decisions. But, like, from my end, like, a big part of my job was the business development aspect as well.
79 00:13:41.770 ⇒ 00:13:56.289 Abdullah Ahmad: So working with the current contract, seeing the needs and requirements of the clients, and working with the internal team in order to create, like, a new product or a project and pitch it to them in order to facilitate the previous task that we’ve done with them.
80 00:13:56.290 ⇒ 00:14:03.029 Abdullah Ahmad: So essentially taking not only just, like, a case-by-case, project-by-project, but in or… it was, like.
81 00:14:03.100 ⇒ 00:14:22.380 Abdullah Ahmad: I was acting more of an account owner for an engagement as a whole with the stakeholder. So, it required not only just the data and decision-making part, but a big part of that job was working directly with the clients, as well as, like, pitching them new products where we see fit, where the company can offer value and service.
82 00:14:22.380 ⇒ 00:14:29.420 Kaela Gallagher: Yeah, I think that’s super, like, relevant to what we’re looking for. Like, you’ve, you know, acted as an account owner, and
83 00:14:30.000 ⇒ 00:14:32.959 Kaela Gallagher: transparently, like, our current CSOs.
84 00:14:33.670 ⇒ 00:14:39.919 Kaela Gallagher: hadn’t necessarily, like, done that before. We’ve kind of, like, moved them into this role, but they come.
85 00:14:39.920 ⇒ 00:14:40.300 Abdullah Ahmad: Thanks, E.
86 00:14:40.300 ⇒ 00:14:45.620 Kaela Gallagher: grounds that are, like, maybe a little bit more technical, like product analytics, or data analytics, and
87 00:14:46.040 ⇒ 00:14:50.470 Kaela Gallagher: That is, like, super relevant in kind of speaking the language to the clients, and then.
88 00:14:50.470 ⇒ 00:14:51.010 Abdullah Ahmad: also, like.
89 00:14:51.010 ⇒ 00:14:57.920 Kaela Gallagher: understanding the work streams that we’re providing, so I think that’s, like, a great balance of experience for this position.
90 00:14:58.260 ⇒ 00:15:15.319 Abdullah Ahmad: Amazing, amazing. And that’s exactly the sort of space that I’m trying to be at, something which allows me to work with data, but the end goal isn’t, like, working at the back end for it, but sort of, like, having that, FaceTime directly with the clients in order to see, like, where the real value is.
91 00:15:15.320 ⇒ 00:15:25.100 Abdullah Ahmad: And actually running the whole life cycle of that engagement end-to-end, essentially, without having or need to pull in a data person. Why, when you can do it yourself, also?
92 00:15:25.100 ⇒ 00:15:32.079 Kaela Gallagher: Yeah, okay, awesome. I’m curious what kind of, like, compensation you are looking for moving forward.
93 00:15:32.340 ⇒ 00:15:52.050 Abdullah Ahmad: I mean, so that completely, I guess, like, depends on the location, right? But since, like, it’s a remote role, like, I have, like, a bit more leeway, I would try to see, like, something which is, like… my primary idea would be something which is competitive with the market itself. I know, like, maybe for a startup, it might be difficult to match up
94 00:15:52.070 ⇒ 00:15:58.330 Abdullah Ahmad: the pay package coming from TikTok or any other major, Major,
95 00:15:58.440 ⇒ 00:16:15.310 Abdullah Ahmad: tech company, but let’s say, like, if I’m staying in the East Coast, like, outside of, like, the major cities like New York or DC, but still within that space, something which is, like, closer to 100, 120, just for that time, like, as I’m entering, but I’m hoping, I’m sure there is, like, more space.
96 00:16:15.310 ⇒ 00:16:19.510 Abdullah Ahmad: In order to have, like, a deeper conversation about this once we get to that stage.
97 00:16:19.510 ⇒ 00:16:29.270 Kaela Gallagher: Yeah, yeah, definitely. We can chat about it a little bit further as well. I think that’s… that’s definitely, like, something that we could meet or even exceed, so…
98 00:16:29.370 ⇒ 00:16:30.440 Abdullah Ahmad: Amazing.
99 00:16:30.440 ⇒ 00:16:33.420 Kaela Gallagher: That’s a little bit further later, too, but, amazing.
100 00:16:33.810 ⇒ 00:16:41.909 Kaela Gallagher: Cool, I guess just to give you an overview of, like, what the interview process would look like, which I’m happy to move you to, the first round is with
101 00:16:41.910 ⇒ 00:16:58.959 Kaela Gallagher: One of our analysts, Amber, kind of a cultural fit, just briefly talking about your experience and understanding, like, what opportunity at the company you might be a best fit for. The second role is with one of our CSOs, and kind of digging in more,
102 00:16:59.380 ⇒ 00:17:09.589 Kaela Gallagher: we call it a technical round, but obviously this is not a super technical role, but just digging in a lot deeper to your skills. And then the final round is, like, a take-home challenge, so we get.
103 00:17:09.599 ⇒ 00:17:10.039 Abdullah Ahmad: Okay.
104 00:17:10.040 ⇒ 00:17:13.599 Kaela Gallagher: case study, and then you present your solution to a panel.
105 00:17:13.609 ⇒ 00:17:14.369 Abdullah Ahmad: Okay.
106 00:17:14.369 ⇒ 00:17:22.109 Kaela Gallagher: That’s, the overview. Typically, we can move kind of quickly and get those done within a couple weeks. Okay.
107 00:17:22.529 ⇒ 00:17:27.389 Kaela Gallagher: So yeah, after this, I can send you, an invite for the first round, and, like.
108 00:17:27.390 ⇒ 00:17:27.740 Abdullah Ahmad: Okay.
109 00:17:27.740 ⇒ 00:17:30.820 Kaela Gallagher: If you have any questions at all throughout the process, I’m happy to help.
110 00:17:31.110 ⇒ 00:17:36.919 Abdullah Ahmad: Amazing. I mean, that sounds great, and I’m glad, like, because I’m, like, looking to move
111 00:17:37.290 ⇒ 00:17:43.810 Abdullah Ahmad: quickly with this process as well. Earlier the better, just based on the timing itself.
112 00:17:44.060 ⇒ 00:18:00.530 Abdullah Ahmad: So yeah, and I’m flexible, happy to work around schedules that the team has, but yeah, I would wanna, like, personally, like, it’s… I have just heard, like, great things about plays from Jasmine, and I really value Jasmine’s opinion, because I work so closely with her.
113 00:18:00.530 ⇒ 00:18:01.010 Kaela Gallagher: Yeah.
114 00:18:01.010 ⇒ 00:18:15.769 Abdullah Ahmad: definitely does seem like a great place to pivot to, so I’m excited to do that. My hope would be, like, the earlier the better, just because I’m interviewing with those other places as well. I don’t see a need to continue interviewing with them, like, if I think, like, this position is offering.
115 00:18:16.170 ⇒ 00:18:19.689 Abdullah Ahmad: A good, a good, opportunity right now.
116 00:18:19.910 ⇒ 00:18:20.320 Kaela Gallagher: Yeah.
117 00:18:20.320 ⇒ 00:18:28.800 Abdullah Ahmad: maybe just, like, a question. I was, like, also, like, a few questions about their roles itself. Yeah. And maybe, like, one more for the organization as a whole. Like, I know, like, this is, like, a…
118 00:18:29.040 ⇒ 00:18:34.049 Abdullah Ahmad: Not, like, a super new, but relatively new organization, definitely scaling a lot of, like, things.
119 00:18:34.070 ⇒ 00:18:53.539 Abdullah Ahmad: And I was, like, trying to get an impression of, like, where do you see, like, the major pain points or bottlenecks, for which you’re trying to hire these positions for? I’m trying to get a sense of, are you guys looking for a more generalist position at this stage, or a very specialized individual in a particular area, and see, like, how we can overlap there.
120 00:18:53.730 ⇒ 00:18:59.989 Kaela Gallagher: Yeah, I think, given that we are consulting, and you’d likely be supporting multiple clients.
121 00:18:59.990 ⇒ 00:19:00.520 Abdullah Ahmad: Like, happy.
122 00:19:00.520 ⇒ 00:19:17.319 Kaela Gallagher: a wide range of skills and, like, a diverse background is helpful, just because you, you’re, you know, flexible at that point to hop on different projects and be effective. In terms of the biggest pain point, I was brought in, like, a month ago for recruiting.
123 00:19:17.320 ⇒ 00:19:17.780 Abdullah Ahmad: Okay.
124 00:19:17.780 ⇒ 00:19:21.750 Kaela Gallagher: So, for me, the biggest pain point is really recruiting right now.
125 00:19:22.750 ⇒ 00:19:29.310 Kaela Gallagher: like, we have four roles that we’re trying to fill, and we’re wanting to do it in the next couple weeks, so… Oh, I see.
126 00:19:29.860 ⇒ 00:19:30.500 Abdullah Ahmad: I see.
127 00:19:30.500 ⇒ 00:19:36.490 Kaela Gallagher: Super focused on recruiting, and then also onboarding, like, just creating a great experience for the people that we’re bringing in.
128 00:19:36.490 ⇒ 00:19:53.229 Abdullah Ahmad: Okay, amazing. I mean, I know, like, we’re just only interviewing at this stage, but I know Jasmine is closely associated with that place as well. I do know, just because, like, how things are changing at TikTok right now, there definitely is going to be a lot of iteration, particularly for people
129 00:19:53.230 ⇒ 00:20:07.909 Abdullah Ahmad: who have, like, extremely extensive, like, technical backgrounds as well. I know a few of them as well, personally, who are, like, looking to, like, part their base as well. And similarly, like, I was just, like, having a call with the career service at Carnegie Mellon in Georgetown this week as well.
130 00:20:07.910 ⇒ 00:20:19.149 Abdullah Ahmad: So, if you need any help, like, in that capacity, still looking for more headcounts as well, happy to support, you know? Like, if there’s a possibility of joining, might as well join, like, with full force running through.
131 00:20:19.480 ⇒ 00:20:29.319 Kaela Gallagher: Yeah, that… thank you so much for saying that. I… right now, like, the biggest needs for us is a data engineer, and then an analytics engineer, so… Okay.
132 00:20:29.320 ⇒ 00:20:29.680 Abdullah Ahmad: You know.
133 00:20:29.680 ⇒ 00:20:32.500 Kaela Gallagher: of anyone in the space,
134 00:20:33.170 ⇒ 00:20:39.809 Kaela Gallagher: Would love to chat with them, and if you do end up joining the team and referring them, we do have a referral bonus, too.
135 00:20:39.810 ⇒ 00:20:59.840 Abdullah Ahmad: Amazing, amazing, okay. No, definitely, yeah, I think, like, let me put out some messages, like, as I’m seeing some friends. I do know, it seems like it’s, like, a super weird time right now in the industry. Like, Meta just announced, like, a 20% layoff, like, few of my friends from Block got removed because they had a 50% layoff as well.
136 00:20:59.840 ⇒ 00:21:00.820 Kaela Gallagher: Last year.
137 00:21:00.820 ⇒ 00:21:06.019 Abdullah Ahmad: couple of weeks, so I do know, like, the market is weird, and people are looking for
138 00:21:06.020 ⇒ 00:21:22.810 Abdullah Ahmad: not menial roles, but, like, roles, like, which gives, like, a lot of autonomy, a lot of control, and a lot of space to really bring your best work forward, and that’s exactly what I’m looking for right now. So if I felt like I was satisfied, like, as… after hearing about everything, so, like, I’m more than happy
139 00:21:22.810 ⇒ 00:21:25.329 Abdullah Ahmad: To refer other people to the org as well.
140 00:21:25.330 ⇒ 00:21:28.249 Kaela Gallagher: Okay, okay, cool, sounds great, thank you.
141 00:21:28.250 ⇒ 00:21:28.780 Abdullah Ahmad: Amazing.
142 00:21:28.780 ⇒ 00:21:31.550 Kaela Gallagher: Any other questions that I can help answer?
143 00:21:32.160 ⇒ 00:21:41.419 Abdullah Ahmad: Nothing particularly for now. I’ll just be, like, really looking forward to that next email for those next round of interviews. So super excited, to take it from there.
144 00:21:41.420 ⇒ 00:21:44.500 Kaela Gallagher: Okay, awesome, thanks so much for your time, it was great meeting you.
145 00:21:44.500 ⇒ 00:21:46.259 Abdullah Ahmad: Amazing. Same here, thank you so much.
146 00:21:46.260 ⇒ 00:21:47.800 Kaela Gallagher: Awesome. Alrighty, have a great day.
147 00:21:47.800 ⇒ 00:21:49.270 Abdullah Ahmad: Alright, have a great day.
148 00:21:49.270 ⇒ 00:21:49.610 Kaela Gallagher: Bye.
149 00:21:49.610 ⇒ 00:21:50.350 Abdullah Ahmad: Bye-bye.