Meeting Title: Eden Standup Date: 2026-03-24 Meeting participants: Awaish Kumar, Greg Stoutenburg, Robert Tseng, Amber Lin
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1 00:00:15.920 ⇒ 00:00:17.400 Greg Stoutenburg: Hey Waish, welcome back.
2 00:00:22.860 ⇒ 00:00:24.240 Awaish Kumar: Hi, thank you.
3 00:00:24.640 ⇒ 00:00:25.310 Greg Stoutenburg: Right?
4 00:00:33.820 ⇒ 00:00:35.579 Awaish Kumar: How are you the morning?
5 00:01:46.750 ⇒ 00:01:47.620 Robert Tseng: Hey guys!
6 00:01:48.390 ⇒ 00:01:49.050 Greg Stoutenburg: Hey!
7 00:01:52.310 ⇒ 00:01:58.079 Greg Stoutenburg: I just… I just saw that Utam created a new skill called Grill Me.
8 00:01:58.080 ⇒ 00:01:58.800 Robert Tseng: Yeah.
9 00:01:59.460 ⇒ 00:02:05.769 Greg Stoutenburg: Just saw that. That’s… that’s great. I’m… I haven’t even clicked the message yet, but I’m happy that he did that.
10 00:02:08.990 ⇒ 00:02:10.930 Robert Tseng: How’s your time off, Wage?
11 00:02:15.370 ⇒ 00:02:16.950 Awaish Kumar: Yeah, it was good.
12 00:02:19.660 ⇒ 00:02:20.729 Robert Tseng: Nice. I hope.
13 00:02:21.290 ⇒ 00:02:25.470 Awaish Kumar: I just spent time some time with family, but it wasn’t mixing.
14 00:02:31.430 ⇒ 00:02:38.910 Robert Tseng: Cool. Well, I’m just gonna get into it, because I do have a hard stop. I might actually end early, because I gotta prep for this call, but
15 00:02:39.300 ⇒ 00:02:45.809 Robert Tseng: Yeah, I mean, I think on my end, I already sent a few messages out today, so I’ll probably just kind of touch on those things.
16 00:02:45.920 ⇒ 00:02:49.709 Robert Tseng: So, the ELT deck is sent out, I wish there is a slide for you, a kind of.
17 00:02:49.710 ⇒ 00:02:50.470 Awaish Kumar: I’m just.
18 00:02:50.470 ⇒ 00:02:51.779 Robert Tseng: guidance on that already?
19 00:02:52.960 ⇒ 00:02:53.530 Robert Tseng: Okay.
20 00:02:53.530 ⇒ 00:02:57.630 Awaish Kumar: I upgraded that slide, but yeah, there’s… Not much.
21 00:02:57.920 ⇒ 00:03:08.709 Awaish Kumar: To add, because I didn’t receive any updates on my questions from Seraph. I have just bumped him again today, but let’s see if he replies.
22 00:03:09.560 ⇒ 00:03:13.940 Robert Tseng: I don’t believe Surf is on this client. They’re, like, not paying him anymore. So, like…
23 00:03:13.940 ⇒ 00:03:20.249 Awaish Kumar: I think, yeah, he got involved because we asked in the Eden Integration Channel to Diego.
24 00:03:20.370 ⇒ 00:03:26.459 Awaish Kumar: And then he tagged again, Surf, and then Surf again sent me some messages on our Eden OS channel.
25 00:03:26.590 ⇒ 00:03:30.739 Awaish Kumar: So I… because, I don’t know, like, maybe he has the answers?
26 00:03:31.440 ⇒ 00:03:38.809 Robert Tseng: Okay, well, whatever he’s doing, we’re not… we’re not paying him anymore, like, I don’t know why… why he’s still doing anything, but…
27 00:03:39.070 ⇒ 00:03:39.920 Robert Tseng: Bye.
28 00:03:41.080 ⇒ 00:03:48.839 Robert Tseng: I mean, actually, maybe that’s not fine. Maybe I should just make that very clear to him. Like, he should have been off, like, 3 weeks ago, so,
29 00:03:49.440 ⇒ 00:03:54.480 Robert Tseng: Yeah So… wait, this is not it.
30 00:03:54.980 ⇒ 00:04:02.980 Robert Tseng: I… don’t believe… I could delete that. This is… Okay, so let’s see.
31 00:04:03.330 ⇒ 00:04:06.580 Robert Tseng: Basically, we’re saying… Okay, well…
32 00:04:10.290 ⇒ 00:04:15.809 Robert Tseng: Okay, like, I understand this is the status, it just doesn’t look very great. It just looks like we’re blocked on everything.
33 00:04:18.630 ⇒ 00:04:27.479 Awaish Kumar: Yeah, like, we did validation, right? Validation was… this got progress. We added, modeling.
34 00:04:27.480 ⇒ 00:04:42.330 Robert Tseng: We have a validation we said, like, we did, like, a month ago. So, whether that was true or not, we said that to them a month ago. So, like, a month has passed, we haven’t installed webhooks, there’s no telemetry going in, and, I mean, the dashboard, whatever, but, like.
35 00:04:43.310 ⇒ 00:04:43.760 Awaish Kumar: Yeah, but…
36 00:04:43.760 ⇒ 00:04:45.700 Robert Tseng: Yeah, I mean, this does not look very good.
37 00:04:48.310 ⇒ 00:05:00.139 Robert Tseng: I’m gonna get destroyed if I present this. Like, I don’t know, I don’t… maybe… this could be true, but it’s just, like, I… I mean, it just… I’m… this just doesn’t… doesn’t look good on our end.
38 00:05:00.510 ⇒ 00:05:10.989 Robert Tseng: I mean, basically, my excuse is, oh, they didn’t give us enough stuff. Like, that’s basically what I’m saying, but it just feels like a very weak defense. Like, I feel like…
39 00:05:11.220 ⇒ 00:05:14.690 Robert Tseng: They’re just gonna… Pick this and just…
40 00:05:15.190 ⇒ 00:05:18.270 Robert Tseng: rip me apart when I present this tomorrow. So…
41 00:05:19.120 ⇒ 00:05:21.269 Robert Tseng: I don’t know, like, I need you to, like.
42 00:05:21.510 ⇒ 00:05:37.460 Robert Tseng: work with… I mean, I’ve had Bryl kind of be on there, it’s you be Diego, like, the three of you, like, don’t really talk, or, like, don’t know what’s going on. I mean, I don’t know what the C… I mean, at least you should know what’s going on here, like, this… this is, like, your project, kind of, that’s it when we… when we took it on. So,
43 00:05:37.880 ⇒ 00:05:55.069 Robert Tseng: I’m not saying you need to add any more to the slide, but you need to give me some defense. Like, I’m going to read this as if I’m ELT, and I’m telling you that, like, this was done, like, last month, or I was told this was done last month. Why are we still blocked on everything, or why has a month passed and we haven’t moved forward on any of this stuff?
44 00:05:55.070 ⇒ 00:06:00.189 Robert Tseng: Like, I’m… if I can’t answer that, then they’re literally not gonna hear… hear me on anything else.
45 00:06:04.380 ⇒ 00:06:09.440 Awaish Kumar: Okay, but yeah, the validation wasn’t done last month, right? That’s the point.
46 00:06:11.070 ⇒ 00:06:14.139 Awaish Kumar: We completed the models, there was no data, we…
47 00:06:14.140 ⇒ 00:06:23.680 Robert Tseng: I know, I know, Awish, you’re, like, really by the book, and you’re telling me by the project timeline, but this is… this is ultimately, like, a story, like, that I’m telling to them, so…
48 00:06:25.290 ⇒ 00:06:39.399 Robert Tseng: Eden OS was supposed to go live beginning of February. It did not. It was delayed. We did some data validation in the meanwhile. Otherwise, like, it’s just gonna be, like, we basically did nothing from January through March. Like, nothing visible to them for 2 months.
49 00:06:39.620 ⇒ 00:06:43.360 Robert Tseng: And March is ending, and we are… like…
50 00:06:43.730 ⇒ 00:06:55.140 Robert Tseng: it looks like we’re just starting. That… that to me is what… I think that’s what they’re gonna say. So, like, how would you, like, put yourself in my shoes? Like, how would you defend that?
51 00:06:57.820 ⇒ 00:06:59.770 Awaish Kumar: I understand, but, like.
52 00:07:00.170 ⇒ 00:07:08.230 Awaish Kumar: like, what I’m doing is the analytical work stream only, right? There’s an implementation going on of the system itself.
53 00:07:08.430 ⇒ 00:07:10.869 Awaish Kumar: If system does not have a feature.
54 00:07:10.990 ⇒ 00:07:13.229 Awaish Kumar: How am I supposed to collect that data?
55 00:07:15.390 ⇒ 00:07:34.350 Robert Tseng: Okay, so that… that’s where, like, your engineer brain is speaking, and that’s why I have you with B and Diego, because, like, they need to go and say what exactly is being blocked. You’re just throwing your hands up and saying, it’s not ready for me to work on. That’s what I’m hearing, and, like, I cannot say that to ELT. That would never survive as an answer, which is…
56 00:07:34.350 ⇒ 00:07:39.449 Robert Tseng: So I’m not… I’m not asking you to, like, you know, answer me on the fly, like, right now. Like, clearly, like, you’re stuck.
57 00:07:39.450 ⇒ 00:07:54.419 Robert Tseng: But, like, you need to get those answers. Otherwise, like, what… like, what are we doing? Like, why do we have so many… we have a PM on our side, we have a PM on their side. I mean, if you don’t know how to communicate with them, that’s fine, you, like, you tell me, but, like, this is… this is it. Like, that… I’m just flagging this that, like.
58 00:07:54.440 ⇒ 00:07:59.940 Robert Tseng: I mean, I almost want to hide the slide, like, but I know that they’re going to want to talk about it, because, I mean.
59 00:08:00.420 ⇒ 00:08:03.990 Robert Tseng: I just… I just know that they’re going… they want, they want to.
60 00:08:04.890 ⇒ 00:08:11.650 Awaish Kumar: Okay, yeah, I can, like, meet with Bri and see if I can do… Yeah, I can…
61 00:08:12.310 ⇒ 00:08:14.400 Awaish Kumar: Yeah, do something about it, yeah.
62 00:08:15.600 ⇒ 00:08:21.349 Robert Tseng: Yeah, like, I understand this is not an engineering… I mean, maybe they’re… I mean, I just… you’re just saying, like.
63 00:08:21.510 ⇒ 00:08:32.069 Robert Tseng: the system is not done, and therefore I cannot start my work is, like, not a sufficient answer. Like, can you, like… can we agree on that, at least? Like, that… that may be true, but that’s not a sufficient answer.
64 00:08:33.470 ⇒ 00:08:43.739 Robert Tseng: Okay, great. So, yeah, I mean, please help me get that answered. Like, whatever that… whatever that means. If you…
65 00:08:43.970 ⇒ 00:08:54.410 Robert Tseng: I’m… otherwise, like, yeah, I think I’m probably just gonna hide this line. I don’t… I almost, like, don’t wanna put this in front of them, and just… hopefully they don’t bring it up. Like, I feel like I would… I would get destroyed.
66 00:08:54.510 ⇒ 00:08:55.320 Robert Tseng: So…
67 00:08:56.260 ⇒ 00:09:12.599 Robert Tseng: Okay, well, with that in mind, like, we’ll… I mean, everything else looked fine, like, I think these all pretty much capture all the things that we did, where we left off on, whatever. I feel like there’s enough talking points here, so thank you to everyone else who kind of contributed to, like, this deck.
68 00:09:12.680 ⇒ 00:09:32.389 Robert Tseng: the goal really is to close out Q1 OKRs, and then also kind of get them to approve Q2. So, yeah, I mean, I think for those purposes, I think this deck looks fine to me. So, yeah, I feel… I feel good with most of the rest. So, I think I’ll… I think that’s all I have to say about that.
69 00:09:32.890 ⇒ 00:09:34.020 Robert Tseng: then…
70 00:09:34.340 ⇒ 00:09:41.129 Robert Tseng: I left a few stray messages, Soran’s not here, so I think he’ll catch it later on, but that’s no problem.
71 00:09:41.470 ⇒ 00:09:44.310 Robert Tseng: Yeah, I mean… I guess that’s…
72 00:09:44.550 ⇒ 00:09:48.030 Robert Tseng: Oh, I had one other point I wanted to make, but…
73 00:09:49.430 ⇒ 00:10:01.510 Robert Tseng: Okay, well, since yeah, I wish another thing since you’re… we didn’t catch you earlier, I don’t know if you’ve… I would strongly recommend watching the… reviewing the things that I asked you to review on terms of, like, meetings.
74 00:10:01.620 ⇒ 00:10:17.750 Robert Tseng: But on Q2, what I’m seeing is that you basically have 4 work streams coming your way. So, I don’t know who you’re going to be assigning to this. Right now, your name is on all of it. This seems like a lot of work to me. And obviously the sequencing is going to be a bit different, you’re not going to be working on all of it at once.
75 00:10:17.750 ⇒ 00:10:22.559 Robert Tseng: But I would imagine you’re probably doing, like, two at a time. So,
76 00:10:22.600 ⇒ 00:10:38.780 Robert Tseng: Yeah, like, Pranav’s work kicked off on Friday, so I’m sure he’s gonna need your help there. And, like, these… Zoran has ongoing work that he needs your help with, obviously, and then you still have this telemetry thing that was supposed to be wrapped up in Q1. For whatever reason, it’s pretty much gonna get kicked to Q2.
77 00:10:38.780 ⇒ 00:10:48.180 Robert Tseng: So, like, yeah, I just… I just feel like we’re gonna run into a jam here, and we don’t have that many, like, DE hours. So, yeah, I’m just gonna…
78 00:10:48.290 ⇒ 00:10:59.130 Robert Tseng: like, I need you to just kind of… you weren’t there to defend or, like, your scope when we had this conversation, but I don’t feel confident that you’re actually going to be able to juggle all of these work streams well.
79 00:10:59.130 ⇒ 00:11:13.300 Robert Tseng: And I’m not trying to set you up for failure, right? So, I need you to, like, give us an honest review, and, like, let me know, like, what’s possible, how… I mean, we didn’t actually, like, put this into Gantz yet, so, like, the sequencing is another story, I think.
80 00:11:13.300 ⇒ 00:11:29.680 Robert Tseng: with the limited resources, we can always, extend timelines to get things done longer, and I can play with, like, when something starts versus something else, but, like, yeah, I just need you to feel comfortable that these are the things that are coming your way in the next quarter.
81 00:11:31.120 ⇒ 00:11:37.669 Awaish Kumar: Yeah, for the… Yeah, I already met with Sam and Bernard, on the…
82 00:11:38.240 ⇒ 00:11:40.440 Awaish Kumar: The transition for AI part,
83 00:11:41.190 ⇒ 00:11:44.510 Awaish Kumar: That I’m comfortable with, and also marketing, that’s okay.
84 00:11:45.470 ⇒ 00:11:47.879 Awaish Kumar: Eden OS is already, I don’t know.
85 00:11:49.220 ⇒ 00:11:52.720 Awaish Kumar: is up and down, but for the EHC, I don’t know.
86 00:11:52.950 ⇒ 00:11:56.620 Awaish Kumar: Is there something else we need to do there? Because.
87 00:11:57.160 ⇒ 00:12:12.649 Robert Tseng: You’re getting a few messages here and there from the UC team. They actually, like, canceled Corral, so that was, like, kind of random, as I… as I spotted. It seems like they’re trying to just move everything towards Google Sheets, which…
88 00:12:12.820 ⇒ 00:12:24.449 Robert Tseng: seems like kind of moving backwards, in my opinion, but I guess that’s what Mitesh has been doing. I don’t really know, like, when that decision was made, so I’m asking Zoran to go and investigate that.
89 00:12:24.450 ⇒ 00:12:34.439 Robert Tseng: So this may not actually be as big as we think it is, but if they are… if they already… they’re trying to switch off Corral this month, and then whatever, like.
90 00:12:34.670 ⇒ 00:12:47.519 Robert Tseng: stuff we’re maintaining for them on the Zenodia and JS cell side. I imagine that we will have to do some… we would have to do, like, what Corral has. So, I would recommend going into Corral, like, now.
91 00:12:47.540 ⇒ 00:13:04.120 Robert Tseng: Or, like, this week, before it shuts off, and trying to get all the data models that they currently have, because it will be very likely that they’re gonna be like, alright, we need you to rebuild everything that we had in Corral from a data modeling perspective, and that could be another… that’s gonna be another, like, set.
92 00:13:04.120 ⇒ 00:13:13.640 Robert Tseng: And if we don’t do it before Corral is switched off, then you’re going to be building it from scratch, and you won’t really have something to copy. So I think that’s probably what you should do in preparation for that.
93 00:13:14.260 ⇒ 00:13:20.049 Awaish Kumar: But what Coral had is the real-time event ingestion, right?
94 00:13:20.580 ⇒ 00:13:23.229 Awaish Kumar: Apart from modeling, if there was any.
95 00:13:23.330 ⇒ 00:13:26.890 Awaish Kumar: So, we don’t have any infrastructure for that right now.
96 00:13:28.650 ⇒ 00:13:31.620 Awaish Kumar: for Eden, like, we are not doing event ingestion for…
97 00:13:31.750 ⇒ 00:13:35.460 Awaish Kumar: For anything, like, we’re doing batch processing, we’re bringing in data.
98 00:13:35.670 ⇒ 00:13:40.750 Robert Tseng: It doesn’t need to be real-time. I mean, that might be… I don’t… I don’t really think it needs to be real-time.
99 00:13:40.800 ⇒ 00:13:56.770 Robert Tseng: Yeah, I understand we haven’t built the infrastructure here, that’s why, like, it’s kind of like a… they’re switching it off, I think they’re gonna get jammed, and they’re gonna maybe come to us and be like, you build it, and I don’t want us to get into a scramble with Zenodi GHL again, and like.
100 00:13:56.860 ⇒ 00:14:06.869 Robert Tseng: whatever, like, I… I… like I said, I don’t know why they switched off, I thought it was a bad idea. They did, and so we just gotta preemptively try to set ourselves up for it, so…
101 00:14:06.870 ⇒ 00:14:17.289 Robert Tseng: whatever you can learn about it before it shuts off, like, I think that’s probably a spike you should do this week. Otherwise, we’re going to lose the infrastructure from Corral, we’re not going to learn anything from that tool.
102 00:14:18.290 ⇒ 00:14:19.050 Awaish Kumar: Okay.
103 00:14:21.320 ⇒ 00:14:21.970 Robert Tseng: Yeah.
104 00:14:22.960 ⇒ 00:14:34.659 Robert Tseng: Okay, cool. Well, I do have to jump, so I think that was all I had time for now. If you guys want to stay on to meet, you can, but I think, I… that’s basically what I’m going to be
105 00:14:35.250 ⇒ 00:14:44.109 Robert Tseng: kind of reading out to ELT tomorrow, and if there are any adjustments to our scope, like, I’ll… I’ll probably know… know by tomorrow. So.
106 00:14:44.110 ⇒ 00:14:47.780 Greg Stoutenburg: I’ll send you a quick ping, Robert, about, what I proposed.
107 00:14:48.120 ⇒ 00:14:49.850 Robert Tseng: Okay, great. Thanks.
108 00:14:49.850 ⇒ 00:14:50.210 Greg Stoutenburg: Thanks.
109 00:14:50.210 ⇒ 00:14:50.580 Robert Tseng: See you guys.
110 00:14:51.060 ⇒ 00:14:51.750 Greg Stoutenburg: See you guys.