Meeting Title: Eden AI Planning Date: 2026-03-18 Meeting participants: Brylle Girang, Samuel Roberts, Pranav Narahari, Robert Tseng
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1 00:00:13.110 ⇒ 00:00:13.890 Brylle Girang: Hey, Sam.
2 00:00:13.890 ⇒ 00:00:14.450 Samuel Roberts: Hey.
3 00:00:22.950 ⇒ 00:00:24.250 Samuel Roberts: What’s going on?
4 00:00:24.830 ⇒ 00:00:25.690 Samuel Roberts: There we go.
5 00:00:26.240 ⇒ 00:00:31.580 Samuel Roberts: So I’m gonna have to run at 5, there’s an interview.
6 00:00:32.400 ⇒ 00:00:33.210 Samuel Roberts: Okay.
7 00:00:35.660 ⇒ 00:00:37.060 Samuel Roberts: I’ll be here till then.
8 00:00:53.440 ⇒ 00:00:59.989 Brylle Girang: So sweet for Robert. Pranav, anything that you need help with from Sam in the meantime?
9 00:01:06.700 ⇒ 00:01:10.719 Pranav Narahari: I don’t think so. Sam, with your…
10 00:01:11.290 ⇒ 00:01:14.439 Pranav Narahari: You know, when you went over the SOW.
11 00:01:15.520 ⇒ 00:01:17.490 Pranav Narahari: Are there certain things that seem like…
12 00:01:20.190 ⇒ 00:01:27.070 Pranav Narahari: Maybe certain, prerequisites that are very, like, important for us to, like, get sorted, like, off the bat?
13 00:01:28.440 ⇒ 00:01:35.920 Samuel Roberts: Yeah, I mean, I mentioned this in the channel, I wasn’t sure… I don’t know Eden as a client super well, but it mentions HIPAA stuff, I just don’t know what their…
14 00:01:36.100 ⇒ 00:01:43.459 Samuel Roberts: GCP deal is… that’s… that’s the one thing I’m just like, I don’t know if it matters, because, like, I don’t… I imagine they’re not in Slack using…
15 00:01:44.070 ⇒ 00:01:52.899 Samuel Roberts: like, talking about that data, but, I just want to make sure we’re not missing something that’s gonna bite us in the ass later. I’m not too worried, but it’s like…
16 00:01:53.970 ⇒ 00:01:55.560 Samuel Roberts: Just clarifying that.
17 00:01:55.840 ⇒ 00:01:56.690 Samuel Roberts: Yep.
18 00:01:58.570 ⇒ 00:02:05.030 Samuel Roberts: Sorry, my brain’s all over the place right now, I’ve been jumping between 3 different things, trying to finish this up before I get out of here today.
19 00:02:05.200 ⇒ 00:02:07.209 Samuel Roberts: There was something else I highlighted…
20 00:02:07.420 ⇒ 00:02:11.050 Samuel Roberts: Oh, the Slack, I think we… I think we…
21 00:02:12.070 ⇒ 00:02:19.309 Samuel Roberts: I think I sorted that out. I understand the Slack stuff now. The Discovery API was mentioned, but I don’t think it’s important.
22 00:02:21.720 ⇒ 00:02:23.809 Samuel Roberts: Everything else seemed to make sense.
23 00:02:24.100 ⇒ 00:02:33.500 Samuel Roberts: Yeah, I saw what you said in the channel about the… Gemini…
24 00:02:34.140 ⇒ 00:02:43.549 Samuel Roberts: Yeah, Gemini, the Google ecosystem, Drive, Calendar, Mail works great, and we’ll start adding Slack. So I… there was a whole thing I was chatting with Cursor about where…
25 00:02:43.800 ⇒ 00:02:46.210 Samuel Roberts: because it already has access to the Google stuff.
26 00:02:47.010 ⇒ 00:02:54.860 Samuel Roberts: It wasn’t as… they were like… a cursor was like, oh, let’s just do the easy way, and I was like, I don’t… I think we still want to get everything together so we can do the…
27 00:02:55.070 ⇒ 00:02:58.610 Samuel Roberts: Kind of… Corroboration of different things.
28 00:02:59.630 ⇒ 00:03:03.360 Pranav Narahari: What do you mean, easy way versus.
29 00:03:03.360 ⇒ 00:03:11.420 Samuel Roberts: It was… it was saying that, like, because things were all… I… I… I blew it away, because I don’t remember what it actually was, but it was basically, like, just worry about…
30 00:03:11.660 ⇒ 00:03:21.550 Samuel Roberts: the simple stuff that Gemini can do, rather than building the whole pipeline as a first pass, and I didn’t think that really made sense, because that’s kind of the whole point.
31 00:03:21.790 ⇒ 00:03:22.910 Samuel Roberts: I feel like.
32 00:03:24.500 ⇒ 00:03:24.860 Pranav Narahari: Okay.
33 00:03:24.860 ⇒ 00:03:28.680 Samuel Roberts: So I’m not sure what your conversation… I didn’t get to look at the meeting, I just saw what you referenced there.
34 00:03:29.140 ⇒ 00:03:38.119 Samuel Roberts: So if you want to, like, prioritize the Slack element over the other ones, that’s probably not a bad idea, but if we’re trying to…
35 00:03:39.280 ⇒ 00:03:42.749 Samuel Roberts: Pull out patterns and things, we probably want all that data there.
36 00:03:46.300 ⇒ 00:03:53.989 Pranav Narahari: Yeah, I’m just kind of going off of my conversation. So, like, that SOW was drafted, like.
37 00:03:54.160 ⇒ 00:04:04.630 Pranav Narahari: weeks ago, and then after my conversation with Danny, like, I felt like we narrowed the scope at least in that direction a little bit, and the SLW just hasn’t changed, so I’m just like.
38 00:04:04.630 ⇒ 00:04:05.570 Samuel Roberts: Oh, okay.
39 00:04:05.760 ⇒ 00:04:07.269 Pranav Narahari: Have we…
40 00:04:07.450 ⇒ 00:04:17.360 Pranav Narahari: included that, but then also the nature of this deal is just, like, there isn’t clear deliverables. That’s what, Robert was mentioning, right? So I’m just…
41 00:04:18.750 ⇒ 00:04:25.709 Pranav Narahari: you know, I just don’t know… I just wanna, like, voice what I’m saying right now, you know? Yeah. Just in case, like…
42 00:04:27.080 ⇒ 00:04:31.029 Pranav Narahari: just to know that, like, you know, Robert and Utom are, like, on the same page of, like…
43 00:04:31.340 ⇒ 00:04:40.379 Pranav Narahari: Yeah, so they talked about wanting this, we’re talking about delivering this, are we gonna get into another Lilo situation where, like, we’re gonna end up trying to do both?
44 00:04:40.620 ⇒ 00:04:42.679 Pranav Narahari: That’s not what we want to do.
45 00:04:43.930 ⇒ 00:04:45.210 Samuel Roberts: Yeah, I think…
46 00:04:46.570 ⇒ 00:04:47.480 Pranav Narahari: I think it’s the…
47 00:04:47.850 ⇒ 00:04:54.280 Pranav Narahari: SOW is not, like, a chat interface that allows you to query against your Slack messages.
48 00:04:57.380 ⇒ 00:05:01.429 Samuel Roberts: No, it’s the reports, right? But the Gemini stuff was…
49 00:05:03.520 ⇒ 00:05:05.469 Samuel Roberts: How that was being surfaced, wasn’t it?
50 00:05:08.590 ⇒ 00:05:12.250 Pranav Narahari: I don’t know if I’m falling… like, the report stuff, or a weekly report?
51 00:05:13.910 ⇒ 00:05:20.060 Samuel Roberts: Right, so then what was the stuff about the Gemini as the… as the agent? Or as the interface?
52 00:05:20.610 ⇒ 00:05:21.850 Samuel Roberts: Is that just old?
53 00:05:24.940 ⇒ 00:05:29.969 Pranav Narahari: Yeah, so Gemini can still be the interface, but…
54 00:05:31.580 ⇒ 00:05:35.960 Pranav Narahari: Yeah, so that’s what you’re reading in the SOW right now? Maybe we should just, like…
55 00:05:35.960 ⇒ 00:05:36.310 Samuel Roberts: That was…
56 00:05:36.310 ⇒ 00:05:36.840 Pranav Narahari: Yoda.
57 00:05:37.780 ⇒ 00:05:45.769 Samuel Roberts: Yeah, maybe I misread that, because it was also, like, that was when I was starting to look at it, and then Robert was like, this… something got messed up, and I’m… so maybe I was working up old stuff.
58 00:05:53.190 ⇒ 00:05:56.659 Samuel Roberts: I mean, to be honest, I’m not super worried about, like, it seems pretty…
59 00:05:59.240 ⇒ 00:06:03.010 Samuel Roberts: What’s the word I want to use here? I choose my words carefully, but…
60 00:06:08.350 ⇒ 00:06:09.440 Samuel Roberts: Yeah…
61 00:06:14.190 ⇒ 00:06:17.740 Samuel Roberts: Okay, yeah, this is… yeah, no, I see what… I see what I did here. Okay.
62 00:06:31.210 ⇒ 00:06:34.920 Samuel Roberts: Yeah, so then maybe… yeah, I think that was the old, what was it?
63 00:06:35.400 ⇒ 00:06:37.550 Samuel Roberts: the old Google Doc that I had.
64 00:06:43.240 ⇒ 00:06:52.420 Brylle Girang: I’m also a bit confused. So, this is going to be right there in our contract. There would be, like, no set deliverables, but at the same time.
65 00:06:53.600 ⇒ 00:06:55.510 Brylle Girang: We have to build something, right?
66 00:06:57.060 ⇒ 00:07:03.360 Samuel Roberts: Yeah, I think that’s what… that’s what Robert was talking about there, where it’s really just a retainer, they’re just… kind of…
67 00:07:03.680 ⇒ 00:07:08.740 Samuel Roberts: Paying for hours more than… Any milestones?
68 00:07:09.040 ⇒ 00:07:10.910 Samuel Roberts: Like, specific milestones?
69 00:07:13.000 ⇒ 00:07:15.019 Samuel Roberts: Yeah, it might not be ideal, but…
70 00:07:15.020 ⇒ 00:07:19.899 Pranav Narahari: We’re thinking too much about this, and we should just be going by, like.
71 00:07:20.040 ⇒ 00:07:26.510 Pranav Narahari: After a couple weeks of discovery with them, and, like, then we map out exactly what we need, but that just… it just seems wrong.
72 00:07:26.860 ⇒ 00:07:29.289 Pranav Narahari: Based on, like, what we do for.
73 00:07:29.290 ⇒ 00:07:29.810 Samuel Roberts: I mean, it’s…
74 00:07:30.100 ⇒ 00:07:31.250 Pranav Narahari: Or Lilo.
75 00:07:32.740 ⇒ 00:07:33.550 Samuel Roberts: Yeah.
76 00:07:33.550 ⇒ 00:07:34.540 Pranav Narahari: It’s an existing client.
77 00:07:34.950 ⇒ 00:07:35.670 Pranav Narahari: I don’t know.
78 00:07:41.690 ⇒ 00:07:46.169 Samuel Roberts: Yeah, I mean, I’m just working on what I saw here, so I don’t know what other…
79 00:07:46.540 ⇒ 00:07:51.500 Samuel Roberts: stuff we really know, necessarily. Like, if we… how much discovery we need is kind of…
80 00:07:53.150 ⇒ 00:07:55.409 Samuel Roberts: A question to me.
81 00:07:57.720 ⇒ 00:08:07.929 Samuel Roberts: I don’t know if, like… I mean, we have a relationship with them, but do we have, like, all of the stuff we would need to know already for this? So I feel like Discovery might not be the worst. I think it’s all there.
82 00:08:08.160 ⇒ 00:08:09.330 Pranav Narahari: it was…
83 00:08:10.880 ⇒ 00:08:18.920 Pranav Narahari: maybe… so I think maybe the disconnect here is, like, Robert maybe had another call with Danny after the fact, after my call, and maybe they’ve agreed to just, like.
84 00:08:19.200 ⇒ 00:08:21.050 Pranav Narahari: Go with this original scope.
85 00:08:21.600 ⇒ 00:08:23.709 Pranav Narahari: I don’t…
86 00:08:24.920 ⇒ 00:08:28.710 Samuel Roberts: Maybe. I don’t know. I don’t know what the order of any of this stuff happened in, so…
87 00:08:28.950 ⇒ 00:08:32.159 Pranav Narahari: Well, yeah, I’m just… I think maybe when Robert… is Robert joining D?
88 00:08:32.169 ⇒ 00:08:35.149 Samuel Roberts: Yeah, he said he was just 5 minutes late, so…
89 00:08:35.150 ⇒ 00:08:35.610 Pranav Narahari: Okay.
90 00:08:35.610 ⇒ 00:08:37.169 Samuel Roberts: Right now, though.
91 00:08:38.289 ⇒ 00:08:43.249 Pranav Narahari: Yeah, I mean, I made a bunch of different roadmaps with Cursor.
92 00:08:43.250 ⇒ 00:08:43.900 Samuel Roberts: Okay.
93 00:08:43.909 ⇒ 00:08:50.489 Pranav Narahari: But one including kind of, like, the context for my call, one just kind of focusing on what’s, like, in the SOW. So…
94 00:08:50.629 ⇒ 00:08:52.819 Pranav Narahari: We can just plug and play either of those.
95 00:08:55.160 ⇒ 00:08:55.780 Samuel Roberts: Okay.
96 00:08:56.040 ⇒ 00:08:56.720 Pranav Narahari: Yeah.
97 00:09:05.520 ⇒ 00:09:12.830 Pranav Narahari: But from a technical complexity thing, like, it doesn’t seem like anything unique is… there’s something unique here, other than just, like…
98 00:09:13.240 ⇒ 00:09:26.249 Pranav Narahari: anonymizing the data. That’s just something I don’t think with ABC we’re doing, with Lilo we didn’t do, that’s just kind of a new process. However, they’ve already been doing that for other, even, work streams, apparently.
99 00:09:27.590 ⇒ 00:09:28.120 Samuel Roberts: Oh, okay.
100 00:09:28.950 ⇒ 00:09:34.270 Pranav Narahari: Yeah, that’s what I remember Robert saying on our call with Danny.
101 00:09:34.270 ⇒ 00:09:34.840 Samuel Roberts: Okay.
102 00:09:35.130 ⇒ 00:09:36.110 Pranav Narahari: So…
103 00:09:37.070 ⇒ 00:09:46.990 Pranav Narahari: we just have to, like, look into that a little bit. But yeah, other than that, like, the… the technical complexity of this seems pretty straightforward.
104 00:09:48.500 ⇒ 00:09:56.580 Samuel Roberts: Yeah, I don’t… there was one other thing that jumped out, and I don’t remember what it was now, because I’ve shifted gears so many times today, but let me pull up…
105 00:09:56.710 ⇒ 00:09:59.250 Samuel Roberts: Wherever I put that…
106 00:10:15.040 ⇒ 00:10:21.190 Samuel Roberts: Yeah, I mean, I think, yeah, you’re right. I just remember there was something that, like, cursor specifically put down as the hardest part.
107 00:10:21.410 ⇒ 00:10:28.810 Samuel Roberts: And I was like, yeah, that seems right, but it’s just the… it’s not necessarily hard so much as it’s just unsolved at this point, just the,
108 00:10:29.870 ⇒ 00:10:30.729 Samuel Roberts: What was it?
109 00:10:31.900 ⇒ 00:10:33.679 Samuel Roberts: A theme discovery pipeline.
110 00:10:35.100 ⇒ 00:10:43.260 Samuel Roberts: But I don’t think technically it’s gonna be crazy, I think it’s probably just, like, finding the right…
111 00:10:44.010 ⇒ 00:10:47.930 Samuel Roberts: finding the right solution. I don’t think we’re, like, we’re not, again, reinventing the wheel here.
112 00:10:50.270 ⇒ 00:10:53.270 Pranav Narahari: Yeah, so… with that…
113 00:10:55.640 ⇒ 00:11:03.380 Pranav Narahari: Well, yeah, no, that’s a little bit different, but… yeah, I think that’ll just need to take some, like… it’ll take some time just to refine the output, because I’m sure that’s…
114 00:11:03.380 ⇒ 00:11:10.380 Samuel Roberts: That’s kind of… yeah, I don’t think technically it’s, like, the hardest nut to crack, I think it just might take a little bit of refining and iterations, but…
115 00:11:10.580 ⇒ 00:11:11.699 Samuel Roberts: I don’t think it’s…
116 00:11:12.940 ⇒ 00:11:19.039 Samuel Roberts: it’s a shoot blocker. It’s just… it’s gonna take a little bit of, like, dialing that in.
117 00:11:19.210 ⇒ 00:11:24.130 Samuel Roberts: Technically, and then also, like, from the user side, like, what’s the right…
118 00:11:25.170 ⇒ 00:11:27.899 Samuel Roberts: That’s the stuff we’ll kind of figure out as we work.
119 00:11:28.170 ⇒ 00:11:28.810 Pranav Narahari: Yep.
120 00:11:28.980 ⇒ 00:11:32.840 Samuel Roberts: I don’t… I don’t… Yeah, I don’t think it’s worth even mapping too much of that out.
121 00:11:41.670 ⇒ 00:11:42.910 Samuel Roberts: Oh crap, okay, I’m gonna…
122 00:11:50.060 ⇒ 00:11:51.370 Robert Tseng: Hello!
123 00:11:51.570 ⇒ 00:11:53.569 Robert Tseng: Sorry, guys, I…
124 00:11:53.810 ⇒ 00:11:54.679 Samuel Roberts: You’re kidding.
125 00:11:56.090 ⇒ 00:12:02.330 Robert Tseng: Have some… some… A lot of HR stuff to deal with this week.
126 00:12:04.070 ⇒ 00:12:05.100 Samuel Roberts: Always fun.
127 00:12:05.440 ⇒ 00:12:06.070 Robert Tseng: Yeah.
128 00:12:06.990 ⇒ 00:12:15.649 Robert Tseng: Okay, I did see Pranav’s message. My… what I gathered was.
129 00:12:16.040 ⇒ 00:12:21.520 Robert Tseng: we’re not aligned on the scope, so I think we just try to go and deal with that on this call.
130 00:12:22.150 ⇒ 00:12:23.090 Pranav Narahari: Yeah, okay.
131 00:12:23.090 ⇒ 00:12:24.869 Robert Tseng: Okay, let’s do it.
132 00:12:26.220 ⇒ 00:12:26.880 Pranav Narahari: Yeah.
133 00:12:29.160 ⇒ 00:12:32.889 Robert Tseng: Let’s… Okay, so,
134 00:12:34.490 ⇒ 00:12:41.899 Robert Tseng: And then we can go into, actually, roadmap planning and all that. But at least, you know, so this is the doc. I did kind of flag in the channel, was like.
135 00:12:42.550 ⇒ 00:12:58.339 Robert Tseng: I’m not gonna throw anyone on the… well, okay, well, I don’t know why somebody deleted the original Phase 2, which included what you said, Pranav. I did see the history, somebody went in, deleted it, and it’s just… it just… the old Phase 3 has now become Phase 2, which…
136 00:12:58.560 ⇒ 00:13:11.380 Robert Tseng: If anything, it just kind of removed that intermediary of, like, the Gemini-enabled workspace. Maybe I gave misdirection in saying, like, we don’t want to commit to that. I… I… I also don’t know if Danny has fully signed it yet.
137 00:13:11.380 ⇒ 00:13:27.620 Robert Tseng: But I also feel like it de-risks the whole thing, the fact that we’re not, like, committed to fix deliverables. Unless Danny has spoken in Slack and given me otherwise, but he’s fine with just doing a bucket of hours. So, I’m not too married to this scope of work.
138 00:13:27.620 ⇒ 00:13:33.070 Robert Tseng: I just picked the first and the last as, like, those are the things that we’re working towards, but these are not…
139 00:13:33.400 ⇒ 00:13:45.109 Robert Tseng: these are not required deliverables. I deleted this from the actual contract, if you saw in my screenshot. So, it already kind of, like, strips out a lot of the how
140 00:13:45.110 ⇒ 00:13:55.009 Robert Tseng: that, like, Utom didn’t want to see in this, because we don’t want to, you know, pigeonhole ourselves into doing things a certain way, and, like, what does it matter to Danny? He doesn’t even know how to build this stuff anyway.
141 00:13:55.300 ⇒ 00:13:57.590 Robert Tseng: But it still kind of articulates, like.
142 00:13:57.710 ⇒ 00:14:02.280 Robert Tseng: general deliverables that we’re, like, working towards in the different phases. So…
143 00:14:02.280 ⇒ 00:14:18.050 Robert Tseng: We have this contract for 2 months, it’s basically 15K a month for 2 months. It’s basically Pranav gonna be on it for now, and then, you know, if they need to move faster, then we have the flexibility to add people additionally at an hour, so treat this more as, like, a traditional staff aug project.
144 00:14:18.190 ⇒ 00:14:32.489 Robert Tseng: The risk is that things move slower, from my experience, like, kind of, as you saw, Pranav, if we don’t have clear deliverables, then we run the risk of, like, a week in, Danny changes the requirements, and then we have to adjust, timeline gets pushed back.
145 00:14:32.660 ⇒ 00:14:49.260 Robert Tseng: But I’m more comfortable doing that with Eden, because we have this long-term relationship with them, and I… I think they understand the pace that we work with… work at already on the data side, so I feel like… I think it’s gonna be okay. Like, it’s…
146 00:14:49.280 ⇒ 00:15:06.450 Robert Tseng: I know Lilo was kind of… I may shoot myself in the foot a month from now, but I don’t know, man. I don’t know how else to close this deal. We had to just, like… we had to just concede on the… on the retainer. So, yeah, I… I felt like I didn’t have any other choice.
147 00:15:07.170 ⇒ 00:15:18.970 Samuel Roberts: the Lilo guys were also, like, trying to build stuff into what we were doing, and there was a whole bunch of, like, they were… you know, I think there was more going on than… I don’t know Danny at all, but I don’t… it doesn’t sound like he’s gonna be…
148 00:15:19.590 ⇒ 00:15:21.829 Samuel Roberts: That kind of client,
149 00:15:21.830 ⇒ 00:15:27.159 Robert Tseng: Yeah, I don’t think he’s a micromanager. He is very, like, a stickler on, like.
150 00:15:27.660 ⇒ 00:15:36.729 Robert Tseng: metrics, like, he is the COO of this company, so, like, we can’t just, like, throw up, like, random metrics. You’ll be like, what, like, what the F is this? Like, why are you…
151 00:15:36.730 ⇒ 00:15:37.260 Samuel Roberts: finisher.
152 00:15:37.260 ⇒ 00:15:56.710 Robert Tseng: you know, like, we can’t just, like, you know, ship him, like, a crappy, like, demo or whatever. But, like, under the hood, he’s not gonna really look in too much detail. He just wants to, you know, the touch and feel of it matters to him. His acceptance criteria to Pranav… I wasn’t in that call, but I looked at the transcript, it was just like, yeah, like, that it passes his, like.
153 00:15:56.830 ⇒ 00:16:04.130 Robert Tseng: test, or whatever. Like, he just, like, approves of it, and he’s ready to share it with the other… the other C-suite. So,
154 00:16:04.260 ⇒ 00:16:23.300 Robert Tseng: But yeah, I’m sure this is gonna be a personal project to him, like, he’s going around the other C-suite guys to get this project going, so he wants it to be good so that he can roll it out to the rest of the C-suite, so I think… I mean, but I’ll handle the politics of it, you guys don’t have to worry about that. I talk to those guys every two weeks, so…
155 00:16:23.300 ⇒ 00:16:32.099 Robert Tseng: Yeah, anyway, like, you know, if… I just… hopefully that gives you a little bit of reassurance that I’m not too worried about the clarity of this, because…
156 00:16:32.360 ⇒ 00:16:42.449 Robert Tseng: I mean, as long as, like, we’re not blatantly saying anything that’s impossible to do, and, like, I’m not, like, shooting you in the foot by, like, committing to something that, like, you don’t want to head down.
157 00:16:42.450 ⇒ 00:16:54.809 Robert Tseng: I’m okay with not including everything that we were going to do. Like, we… this is… this is going to change. Like, we basically signed up to let him change… change things in the middle of the work.
158 00:16:56.110 ⇒ 00:17:01.360 Pranav Narahari: Yeah, I think I’m fine with that, and like Sam was saying, too, like, and in my conversation with Danny, like.
159 00:17:01.630 ⇒ 00:17:08.169 Pranav Narahari: He isn’t going to just, like, tack on from my conversation with him just, like, 20 things, like…
160 00:17:08.349 ⇒ 00:17:10.340 Pranav Narahari: every Friday.
161 00:17:10.349 ⇒ 00:17:10.729 Robert Tseng: Yeah.
162 00:17:10.730 ⇒ 00:17:11.849 Pranav Narahari: And so…
163 00:17:12.170 ⇒ 00:17:30.730 Pranav Narahari: And he’s willing to, like, start small and then get bigger. Yeah. The one thing that I just felt like wasn’t being captured here, which I know that he was stressing to me that was, like, really important, was just, like, let’s just get it working for me, and let’s just, like, add, like, Slack context to my existing Gemini.
164 00:17:30.730 ⇒ 00:17:43.329 Pranav Narahari: Because right now, he loves working with Gemini, getting the context of the drive, of the emails, and that type of stuff. The one missing piece of that puzzle was just, like, the Slack context.
165 00:17:43.380 ⇒ 00:17:47.880 Pranav Narahari: And I was like, yeah, let’s add that first, just so…
166 00:17:48.070 ⇒ 00:17:57.820 Pranav Narahari: you can then see, like, the value add that that gives. And so then maybe that means doing Phase 1, and then part of Phase 2 is… or maybe it’s an additional phase, like.
167 00:17:57.910 ⇒ 00:18:13.329 Pranav Narahari: Phase 2, and then what we have here is Phase 3, but Phase 2 would be, okay, getting this working for just you, and maybe, like, a few other people, with your personal, like, Slack contacts. So, like, your DMs, your private channels, that sort of thing.
168 00:18:14.380 ⇒ 00:18:18.539 Robert Tseng: Yeah, okay, no, I hear you on that, and…
169 00:18:18.930 ⇒ 00:18:24.310 Robert Tseng: I feel like this is stuff that we can handle in the kickoff, to be honest, like.
170 00:18:24.840 ⇒ 00:18:26.130 Pranav Narahari: I’m happy to do that too, yeah.
171 00:18:26.130 ⇒ 00:18:38.000 Robert Tseng: what I’m hearing is, okay, yeah, I mean, he just wants, like, a Slack integration into Gemini, so I got whatever Slack MCP for him and his personal, like, whatever he wants, channels he wants to see in Slack.
172 00:18:38.020 ⇒ 00:18:50.490 Robert Tseng: Like, that’s a great way to kind of showcase how Phase 1 is going. Like, I think, like, that’s… I think that’s fine. This situation, we’re not committing to only Gemini. Like, there’s gonna be…
173 00:18:50.630 ⇒ 00:18:59.249 Robert Tseng: I don’t… I don’t… frankly don’t know how much Gemini can… can… can do. Like, is it… is it gonna be that… well, to me, the risk of doing that is…
174 00:18:59.250 ⇒ 00:19:11.839 Robert Tseng: Well, let’s say we plug in these sources into Gemini. Maybe they already have Google Calendar, Gmail, and Google… I mean, I don’t know, maybe he just needs Slack. You throw in Slack, and he’s like, wow, this is great.
175 00:19:12.150 ⇒ 00:19:27.409 Robert Tseng: And, then he runs out of ideas, because it’s, like, enough for him to work with. Then that would really cripple us, because then, like, I don’t know, we’ll start to, like, add all this other stuff, but then if he’s just only using the Gemini, he’ll never move to this,
176 00:19:27.650 ⇒ 00:19:29.130 Robert Tseng: like, Phase 2.
177 00:19:29.240 ⇒ 00:19:32.399 Robert Tseng: So, I don’t know, like…
178 00:19:32.750 ⇒ 00:19:49.300 Robert Tseng: if we can confidently say, like, yeah, the Gemini space is, like, a good demo for him to kind of see the full… like, kind of start to… start to interact with, like, what happens if he has multiple sources, like, in the same Agentic workspace, but, like, he still will need this, like.
179 00:19:49.300 ⇒ 00:20:04.429 Robert Tseng: custom Agentic workspace thing that we’re gonna build out for him. And, like, and, like, if that’s something I need to keep hitting home to him, and, like, I don’t really know how to tell that story right now. So, I guess, what do you… what do you think about that? Does that make sense? Like.
180 00:20:04.490 ⇒ 00:20:07.069 Robert Tseng: I don’t want him to, in other words, like.
181 00:20:07.380 ⇒ 00:20:20.250 Robert Tseng: if we give him the Gemini capabilities, and if he gets complacent, and he’s just like, okay, this is good enough, then I feel like he’s never going to really be… like, he’s never really gonna let us finish Phase 2. And,
182 00:20:20.400 ⇒ 00:20:22.799 Robert Tseng: That’s what I see as the biggest risk.
183 00:20:24.860 ⇒ 00:20:30.260 Pranav Narahari: Like, he wouldn’t want to even start Phase 2, because he’s like, what I have right now is good enough? Is that kind of what you’re saying?
184 00:20:30.690 ⇒ 00:20:31.310 Robert Tseng: Yeah.
185 00:20:31.880 ⇒ 00:20:34.769 Pranav Narahari: Okay. Yeah, I mean…
186 00:20:34.980 ⇒ 00:20:43.069 Robert Tseng: it’s gonna be a bit backwards from what you saw with Lilo. Lilo was always saying whatever we built was like, oh, it’s not good enough, it should be able to do XYZ, but I think Danny, like, just has worked with…
187 00:20:43.410 ⇒ 00:20:45.770 Robert Tseng: I mean, I… you know, I’ve seen…
188 00:20:45.960 ⇒ 00:20:51.020 Robert Tseng: I’ve seen some, like, you know, but he could take the very op- the opposite position as, like.
189 00:20:51.350 ⇒ 00:21:08.320 Robert Tseng: he… he may not have super high expectations for where this can go, and so just giving him the Gemini thing is enough, and, like, he may just get… he may just get complacent there. So, I mean, I may be wrong, I just want us to be prepared for, like, all… both ends of the spectrum, so we can kind of deal with whatever happens in between.
190 00:21:08.870 ⇒ 00:21:24.269 Pranav Narahari: Gotcha, yeah, I like your approach of just, like, let’s just leave it as is, and then when we’re kind of doing the kickoff, we can talk about my, like, conversation with Danny, and, like, saying, like, hey, like, for Phase 2, like, or for end of phase one.
191 00:21:24.270 ⇒ 00:21:31.760 Pranav Narahari: we can, like, show you how we’re pulling in Slack data, building the MCP around it, that actually makes the data within it
192 00:21:32.080 ⇒ 00:21:35.839 Pranav Narahari: anonymous. So that’s one thing that he mentioned, like, is important, right?
193 00:21:36.170 ⇒ 00:21:36.730 Robert Tseng: Yeah.
194 00:21:37.820 ⇒ 00:21:39.340 Pranav Narahari: So, and then…
195 00:21:39.520 ⇒ 00:21:43.990 Pranav Narahari: Another… yeah, so… I think we can leave it like this, I think that makes sense to me.
196 00:21:45.360 ⇒ 00:21:45.870 Robert Tseng: Okay.
197 00:21:46.430 ⇒ 00:21:47.010 Pranav Narahari: Yeah.
198 00:21:48.660 ⇒ 00:21:53.189 Robert Tseng: Cool. Well, I mean… Yeah, I mean, this is… this is what’s…
199 00:21:53.380 ⇒ 00:21:58.520 Robert Tseng: in his inbox now, and I’ll… I could check to see if he signed it, but, I guess…
200 00:21:58.680 ⇒ 00:22:14.529 Robert Tseng: now we should probably do some planning for the kickoff on Friday, like, I don’t… right? So, I guess if you guys have some time, yeah, Brian, Sam, I know you guys both took a look at things and started the channel, so, yeah, how do you want to take it from here?
201 00:22:22.040 ⇒ 00:22:25.510 Samuel Roberts: I don’t know, I’m… I have to jump to an interview in, like, a minute or two, so I…
202 00:22:25.840 ⇒ 00:22:26.370 Samuel Roberts: with that, too.
203 00:22:26.370 ⇒ 00:22:26.810 Robert Tseng: No worries.
204 00:22:27.480 ⇒ 00:22:28.120 Robert Tseng: Okay.
205 00:22:28.690 ⇒ 00:22:29.400 Robert Tseng: Okay, yeah.
206 00:22:29.400 ⇒ 00:22:35.660 Samuel Roberts: I’m out tomorrow and Friday, so yeah, I won’t be up on the kickoff either right now, but,
207 00:22:36.040 ⇒ 00:22:41.409 Samuel Roberts: yeah, I don’t know what else is, like, the end of my day, right before I’m headed to my sister’s wedding, so I don’t know what else.
208 00:22:41.410 ⇒ 00:22:42.080 Robert Tseng: Yeah, yeah.
209 00:22:42.080 ⇒ 00:22:44.760 Samuel Roberts: like, if there’s anything else I can do, let me know, but.
210 00:22:45.500 ⇒ 00:22:55.399 Robert Tseng: Okay, yeah, I mean, frankly, I don’t know exactly why Utam was, like, kind of brought you in, like, that needed you to be on this call right now. I think it’s fine, it’s just to kick off, but, I mean.
211 00:22:55.400 ⇒ 00:22:55.770 Samuel Roberts: Yeah, yeah.
212 00:22:55.770 ⇒ 00:23:15.609 Robert Tseng: The goal is really that we will need to do the Gantt, the roadmap planning, ticketing things out, like, the actual project management stuff to get us organized internally. I think that’s probably why he had you on this call. So, I feel like that could probably wait until after the kickoff. It’s really just going to be me, Pranav, and maybe Bryl on their Friday.
213 00:23:15.610 ⇒ 00:23:18.439 Robert Tseng: So I, I feel, I feel okay about it.
214 00:23:18.920 ⇒ 00:23:19.450 Pranav Narahari: Yeah.
215 00:23:19.950 ⇒ 00:23:36.479 Pranav Narahari: And Sam and I kind of talked about what are, like, the big pieces of this that are technically complex, and what is just kind of just plug and play with what we’ve done in the other project. They’re really straightforward, so… I think we did that sync in the beginning of the call, so I feel good about that.
216 00:23:37.510 ⇒ 00:23:52.729 Robert Tseng: Okay, cool. Alright, well, yeah. Enjoy, enjoy your time off, Sam. Congrats on your Christmas wedding, and yeah, I guess for the rest of us, we’ll… he signed, it’s in the inbox, so we’re going. Let’s start Friday.
217 00:23:52.730 ⇒ 00:23:53.570 Samuel Roberts: Nice, alright.
218 00:23:53.570 ⇒ 00:23:54.690 Pranav Narahari: Cool. Yeah.
219 00:23:55.750 ⇒ 00:23:56.520 Robert Tseng: See you guys.
220 00:23:57.150 ⇒ 00:23:57.900 Pranav Narahari: See you guys.
221 00:23:57.900 ⇒ 00:23:58.580 Samuel Roberts: Bye.
222 00:23:58.580 ⇒ 00:23:59.409 Pranav Narahari: Take care, son.
223 00:24:02.030 ⇒ 00:24:05.379 Brylle Girang: Yeah, Pranav, I think we can still treat this, like.
224 00:24:06.410 ⇒ 00:24:12.890 Brylle Girang: a phased approach, I think there’s nothing, like, really hindering us from doing that, right?
225 00:24:13.450 ⇒ 00:24:21.240 Brylle Girang: So, similar with what we did with APC, I think we can create a similar talk, and then just lay this down into a timeline.
226 00:24:22.160 ⇒ 00:24:24.739 Pranav Narahari: Yeah. Yeah, that’s what I was,
227 00:24:25.730 ⇒ 00:24:33.110 Pranav Narahari: I’ll, I’ll just give you what I have right now, which doesn’t have the tickets yet. I didn’t want to generate a bunch of tickets, just waste a bunch of tokens, and then…
228 00:24:33.210 ⇒ 00:24:39.880 Pranav Narahari: us make refinements and have to change all that. But I have it up to, like, the milestones level right now, and so…
229 00:24:41.730 ⇒ 00:24:49.500 Pranav Narahari: I’m gonna look into it a little bit more, just to, like, make sure everything makes sense, but yeah, I’ll have that into a Notion doc.
230 00:24:50.120 ⇒ 00:25:07.819 Brylle Girang: Okay, gotcha. And then the milestones, if possible, it should be, like, a Danny-facing. Like, I don’t want us to input the milestones that we’re going to build on our ends, but rather, what is Danny going to be expecting for the coming weeks, so that we can also use that during the kickoff call instead. Would that work?
231 00:25:09.050 ⇒ 00:25:14.539 Pranav Narahari: So, the milestone should be, like, like, business impact, is what you’re saying?
232 00:25:14.960 ⇒ 00:25:22.150 Brylle Girang: Just for the kickoff call, we should still, like, create milestones internally, based on our progress, but…
233 00:25:22.150 ⇒ 00:25:24.749 Pranav Narahari: Okay, so this one’s a little bit different, yeah.
234 00:25:24.750 ⇒ 00:25:35.329 Brylle Girang: Yeah, yeah, so maybe just… just two phases of milestones, where one milestone is going to be for our progress, and then the second phase would be for… specifically for Danny.
235 00:25:35.530 ⇒ 00:25:42.199 Brylle Girang: Since we’re going to go on a kickoff call, you might ask, what am I going to expect in the coming weeks, right?
236 00:25:43.090 ⇒ 00:25:49.199 Pranav Narahari: Yeah, okay, sounds good. So, yeah, the phases and then milestones for that. Yeah, I’ll just,
237 00:25:51.490 ⇒ 00:25:55.480 Pranav Narahari: Yeah, I’ll see, like, what the best way to do that is, if it’s just, like.
238 00:25:55.970 ⇒ 00:26:03.769 Pranav Narahari: rewording, kind of, the milestones that we have internally, from a technical approach, and just kind of saying, like, okay, how is this gonna affect you, Danny?
239 00:26:03.960 ⇒ 00:26:12.510 Pranav Narahari: that… that’s probably the best way to do it without just completely, like, doing a totally different structure than what we’re gonna follow internally. So yeah, I’ll just do that.
240 00:26:13.010 ⇒ 00:26:13.660 Brylle Girang: Okay.
241 00:26:14.160 ⇒ 00:26:19.679 Brylle Girang: Perfect. Yeah, I guess this would be…
242 00:26:20.020 ⇒ 00:26:26.379 Brylle Girang: I’m guessing… I’m trying to, like, think of the priorities here. Well, we have the first draft of the ABC,
243 00:26:27.440 ⇒ 00:26:30.689 Brylle Girang: You should be able to, like, prioritize this, right?
244 00:26:32.470 ⇒ 00:26:36.180 Pranav Narahari: Yeah, yeah, I’ll do this, I’ll have it in Notion, very soon.
245 00:26:37.120 ⇒ 00:26:40.529 Brylle Girang: Alright, perfect. Thank you. Let me know if you need anything.
246 00:26:41.040 ⇒ 00:26:41.959 Pranav Narahari: Yo, thanks, buddy.