Meeting Title: CSO Client Presentation Dry Run Date: 2026-03-11 Meeting participants: Pranav Narahari, Clarence Stone, Demilade Agboola, Uttam Kumaran
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1 00:00:16.670 ⇒ 00:00:20.890 Clarence Stone: Awfully quiet. All alone, Pranav.
2 00:00:21.170 ⇒ 00:00:23.320 Pranav Narahari: What’s up? What’s up?
3 00:00:23.320 ⇒ 00:00:24.600 Clarence Stone: Yay.
4 00:00:25.580 ⇒ 00:00:27.420 Pranav Narahari: It’s been a day, it has.
5 00:00:27.910 ⇒ 00:00:29.370 Clarence Stone: What’s up, Jenny?
6 00:00:32.540 ⇒ 00:00:34.000 Demilade Agboola: Hey, how’s everyone doing?
7 00:00:35.730 ⇒ 00:00:36.340 Clarence Stone: Good.
8 00:00:38.940 ⇒ 00:00:40.629 Pranav Narahari: Demi, what time is it for you?
9 00:00:43.090 ⇒ 00:00:44.360 Demilade Agboola: 9 o’clock.
10 00:00:47.350 ⇒ 00:00:49.370 Pranav Narahari: That’s actually been a day, then.
11 00:00:49.370 ⇒ 00:00:50.400 Demilade Agboola: it has.
12 00:00:50.740 ⇒ 00:00:54.469 Demilade Agboola: I mean, thankfully, daylight’s even made it one hour closer, so…
13 00:00:54.950 ⇒ 00:00:56.489 Pranav Narahari: Oh, right. Yeah, yeah.
14 00:00:56.490 ⇒ 00:00:58.870 Demilade Agboola: This call was, like, 10 PM for me.
15 00:00:59.590 ⇒ 00:01:00.509 Pranav Narahari: Oh, jeez.
16 00:01:02.350 ⇒ 00:01:03.830 Clarence Stone: Spring forward.
17 00:01:04.069 ⇒ 00:01:05.400 Clarence Stone: We’re gonna lose an hour.
18 00:01:06.440 ⇒ 00:01:09.220 Demilade Agboola: Yeah, you lost an hour. Technically, I gained an hour on you.
19 00:01:09.220 ⇒ 00:01:14.060 Clarence Stone: I didn’t even realize it happened this weekend.
20 00:01:14.640 ⇒ 00:01:16.110 Pranav Narahari: No way, really? I felt it.
21 00:01:16.610 ⇒ 00:01:19.959 Clarence Stone: I was just like, why am I always tired this way?
22 00:01:21.390 ⇒ 00:01:24.479 Demilade Agboola: I mean, you don’t have any analog clocks, do you?
23 00:01:25.740 ⇒ 00:01:27.330 Clarence Stone: I do. I do.
24 00:01:27.330 ⇒ 00:01:27.790 Demilade Agboola: Okay.
25 00:01:27.790 ⇒ 00:01:28.650 Clarence Stone: They’re all…
26 00:01:28.650 ⇒ 00:01:34.069 Uttam Kumaran: Why am I always tired when I’m awake?
27 00:01:34.070 ⇒ 00:01:36.569 Clarence Stone: I’m talking about Celsius in the world, you know?
28 00:01:37.130 ⇒ 00:01:39.150 Uttam Kumaran: Oh, you guys should try these.
29 00:01:39.280 ⇒ 00:01:40.600 Pranav Narahari: Neuromince?
30 00:01:41.090 ⇒ 00:01:42.140 Clarence Stone: Oh.
31 00:01:42.620 ⇒ 00:01:46.879 Pranav Narahari: They’re only 40, milligrams of caffeine, but, like.
32 00:01:47.110 ⇒ 00:01:48.870 Uttam Kumaran: Wait, show me, bring it closer?
33 00:01:48.870 ⇒ 00:01:52.860 Pranav Narahari: Oh yeah, let me turn off my, the… the blur.
34 00:01:52.860 ⇒ 00:01:54.060 Uttam Kumaran: I’ll take whatever.
35 00:01:54.340 ⇒ 00:01:56.609 Clarence Stone: This looks like a Brainforge-type brand.
36 00:01:56.800 ⇒ 00:02:01.030 Uttam Kumaran: I was thinking about, dude, if I’m unproductive, like, it’s… who’s gonna… you’re gonna have to pay.
37 00:02:02.130 ⇒ 00:02:04.460 Demilade Agboola: That’s kind of how you end up doing drugs.
38 00:02:04.460 ⇒ 00:02:06.239 Uttam Kumaran: Show me the back, show me the back.
39 00:02:06.240 ⇒ 00:02:06.960 Pranav Narahari: Yeah, yeah.
40 00:02:06.960 ⇒ 00:02:08.220 Uttam Kumaran: What’s the ingredient list?
41 00:02:08.660 ⇒ 00:02:11.850 Pranav Narahari: Let me send a picture.
42 00:02:11.850 ⇒ 00:02:17.130 Uttam Kumaran: Dude, you should see Clarence’s house, he gave me, like… A juice pack of chlorophyll.
43 00:02:17.550 ⇒ 00:02:19.309 Uttam Kumaran: He’s ripping zins, we had a lot.
44 00:02:20.710 ⇒ 00:02:21.680 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah.
45 00:02:22.250 ⇒ 00:02:24.680 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, look, he’s got these things.
46 00:02:25.160 ⇒ 00:02:30.359 Clarence Stone: I took it. This is really pure chlorophyll. I didn’t feel much smarter, but…
47 00:02:31.340 ⇒ 00:02:38.620 Demilade Agboola: Pranav, what would you say the, those means do? Is it, like, an energy boost? Is it, like, more focused? Is it, like, like.
48 00:02:39.320 ⇒ 00:02:50.890 Pranav Narahari: For, yeah, for me, it’s, like, a way better, like, caffeine source. So with, like, coffee, it’s either, like, it’s just, like, too instant, and then there’s, like, a crash, and, like, sometimes, like.
49 00:02:51.150 ⇒ 00:03:08.330 Pranav Narahari: the… it’s, like, too jittery. I almost said the high is too bad. But with this, it’s, like, it has, like, L-theanine, it has, like, all the right vitamins that I feel like just, like, extend the… the focus period, and just, like, the energy boost.
50 00:03:08.820 ⇒ 00:03:09.470 Demilade Agboola: Okay.
51 00:03:09.620 ⇒ 00:03:10.000 Pranav Narahari: Yeah.
52 00:03:11.610 ⇒ 00:03:13.270 Demilade Agboola: Neuromint.
53 00:03:13.530 ⇒ 00:03:18.500 Pranav Narahari: Yeah, and they’re super cheap on Amazon, like… Worth a try.
54 00:03:19.430 ⇒ 00:03:20.140 Demilade Agboola: Okay.
55 00:03:21.940 ⇒ 00:03:23.820 Demilade Agboola: One second…
56 00:03:37.300 ⇒ 00:03:42.499 Uttam Kumaran: So, how much is one, how much is one coffee, though? Coffee, I thought, is, like, 100 milligrams.
57 00:03:43.080 ⇒ 00:03:48.520 Pranav Narahari: It’s, like, Pup of coffee, I think they say, is, like, around 80 milligrams.
58 00:03:50.620 ⇒ 00:03:56.469 Uttam Kumaran: How much, oh, how much caffeine… In a double shot.
59 00:03:57.510 ⇒ 00:04:00.410 Uttam Kumaran: So I have, like, 4 shots a day, typically.
60 00:04:01.020 ⇒ 00:04:02.390 Pranav Narahari: Oh, that’s probably, like, 160.
61 00:04:02.390 ⇒ 00:04:03.490 Uttam Kumaran: 4 or 6.
62 00:04:04.940 ⇒ 00:04:05.900 Pranav Narahari: Oh, wow.
63 00:04:07.830 ⇒ 00:04:23.670 Uttam Kumaran: Oh, it’s time for my next dose. I’m getting tired. Sorry. But what else do we wanna… what else do we have to talk about? I mean, dude, I also told this to some… I told this to some of the folks that are overseas, and maybe Demi, if you guys are… if you’re, like,
64 00:04:23.800 ⇒ 00:04:31.250 Uttam Kumaran: if you’re, like, about to crash, like, I’ll buy you a coffee, just let me know. Like, or lunch, or whatever, like, if you’re in the middle of, like, doing shit.
65 00:04:31.840 ⇒ 00:04:39.430 Uttam Kumaran: People eat and, like, have coffee, I’m more than happy to sponsor. We don’t have, like, an official wellness…
66 00:04:39.690 ⇒ 00:04:43.469 Uttam Kumaran: Coffee budget yet, but, like, that will be there sometime.
67 00:04:44.260 ⇒ 00:04:48.669 Pranav Narahari: Maybe we get, everybody on these Neuromins. We should do, like, some QA here in this.
68 00:04:48.670 ⇒ 00:04:55.139 Uttam Kumaran: Well, you know, you know what, you know, you should want… you should figure out how do we… how do we go work for those guys? Find out if we can send them a…
69 00:04:56.750 ⇒ 00:04:58.329 Pranav Narahari: That, tell them.
70 00:04:58.330 ⇒ 00:05:01.660 Uttam Kumaran: we’re working… tell them… tell them we’re working with Element, and like…
71 00:05:01.800 ⇒ 00:05:04.390 Uttam Kumaran: We’d love to do their data. Where’d you get those from?
72 00:05:05.010 ⇒ 00:05:10.550 Pranav Narahari: I got them on Amazon. I, like, first heard about them probably, like, on YouTube from, like.
73 00:05:10.670 ⇒ 00:05:12.240 Pranav Narahari: Some of, like, the health…
74 00:05:12.750 ⇒ 00:05:13.280 Uttam Kumaran: Beautiful.
75 00:05:13.280 ⇒ 00:05:16.859 Pranav Narahari: influencer guys. Yeah, I was like.
76 00:05:16.860 ⇒ 00:05:19.459 Uttam Kumaran: 20 milligrams is nothing, though.
77 00:05:19.460 ⇒ 00:05:20.010 Pranav Narahari: Some other stuff.
78 00:05:20.010 ⇒ 00:05:20.700 Uttam Kumaran: Nothing, man.
79 00:05:21.460 ⇒ 00:05:24.580 Pranav Narahari: They have L-theanine, which is, like, what they have in tea.
80 00:05:24.980 ⇒ 00:05:27.029 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, magnesium, yeah, it’s good.
81 00:05:27.040 ⇒ 00:05:35.580 Demilade Agboola: I guess there are a couple different types. Is it, like… because I’ve seen, like, Mint 90, Extra Strength, like…
82 00:05:36.030 ⇒ 00:05:46.000 Pranav Narahari: Some of them have caffeine, some of them don’t. Like, they have a different, like, formulation. Like, they have, like, I think a sleep one. So, like, if you’re, like, having, like, right after dinner or something like that.
83 00:05:47.300 ⇒ 00:05:47.820 Demilade Agboola: Okay.
84 00:05:47.820 ⇒ 00:06:03.630 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, so what… so, you know, so Monster… Monster has the, L-theanine because… so the way it works, and I don’t know, like… I mean, both of you guys are bio majors, I mean, Clarence and Vernav, but, like, the way it works is the L-theanine actually kills the jitters.
85 00:06:04.190 ⇒ 00:06:14.310 Uttam Kumaran: So, typically, when you have Monster, they’ll have… they’ll have caffeine and the L-theanine, so that it kills the jitters, but you still get the, like, blocking of the receptors.
86 00:06:15.140 ⇒ 00:06:17.959 Pranav Narahari: Yeah, I’ve heard of that. I’m actually not a bio major, but I just love this.
87 00:06:17.960 ⇒ 00:06:19.300 Uttam Kumaran: I thought you were!
88 00:06:19.470 ⇒ 00:06:21.539 Pranav Narahari: No, no, no, no. Wait!
89 00:06:21.540 ⇒ 00:06:23.849 Uttam Kumaran: Oh, I thought at some point… yeah.
90 00:06:26.070 ⇒ 00:06:28.680 Pranav Narahari: We were talking at some point about, like, just…
91 00:06:29.030 ⇒ 00:06:31.900 Pranav Narahari: like, interests and stuff, and I was just saying, like, this, like…
92 00:06:32.000 ⇒ 00:06:33.760 Pranav Narahari: This, like, health stuff, just, like.
93 00:06:33.760 ⇒ 00:06:34.680 Uttam Kumaran: Oh, okay.
94 00:06:34.680 ⇒ 00:06:35.070 Pranav Narahari: Yeah.
95 00:06:35.070 ⇒ 00:06:35.650 Uttam Kumaran: Okay.
96 00:06:37.050 ⇒ 00:06:42.569 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, I know, I did a lot of research into caffeine and sleep, because they’re just one of my…
97 00:06:42.960 ⇒ 00:06:46.209 Uttam Kumaran: They’re my best friend and my immortal enemy, both of those, so…
98 00:06:46.210 ⇒ 00:06:48.289 Pranav Narahari: I know a lot about the way it works.
99 00:06:49.640 ⇒ 00:06:54.150 Uttam Kumaran: It’s useless, though, because you get tired, like, it’s really hard to combat, but…
100 00:06:54.610 ⇒ 00:07:01.229 Uttam Kumaran: at least it helps to understand, sort of, like, for example, like, I used to be able to do, like, two all-nighters and be, like.
101 00:07:01.900 ⇒ 00:07:07.499 Uttam Kumaran: in really bad shape, but, like, now, if I just don’t get any sleep, like, one day, I’m, like, cooked.
102 00:07:07.840 ⇒ 00:07:09.450 Pranav Narahari: Yeah. Yeah.
103 00:07:10.200 ⇒ 00:07:12.170 Uttam Kumaran: I got in college, I didn’t sleep at all.
104 00:07:14.250 ⇒ 00:07:16.290 Pranav Narahari: And caffeine just, like, is just…
105 00:07:16.650 ⇒ 00:07:18.740 Pranav Narahari: It’s just, like, a never-ending cycle.
106 00:07:18.740 ⇒ 00:07:24.580 Uttam Kumaran: It doesn’t do anything, it just actually blocks the receptors that cause you to go higher.
107 00:07:24.750 ⇒ 00:07:27.280 Uttam Kumaran: So, your half still have fatigue.
108 00:07:27.760 ⇒ 00:07:30.079 Uttam Kumaran: But you just don’t recognize it.
109 00:07:31.950 ⇒ 00:07:38.139 Uttam Kumaran: Which is, like… Interesting, but you still have all the body and brain effects of being tired.
110 00:07:39.190 ⇒ 00:07:40.090 Pranav Narahari: Yeah.
111 00:07:40.360 ⇒ 00:07:49.869 Pranav Narahari: And, like, it’s such a short-term gain, probably, like, probably, like, whatever you need to get done that night in the 6 hours, like, sure. But then the next day, your productivity’s gonna reduce.
112 00:07:49.870 ⇒ 00:07:53.320 Uttam Kumaran: See, that, I think, that, I think, I don’t know. I feel like…
113 00:07:53.480 ⇒ 00:07:56.269 Uttam Kumaran: Some things, you just gotta grind out.
114 00:07:56.270 ⇒ 00:07:57.850 Pranav Narahari: Okay.
115 00:07:57.850 ⇒ 00:07:59.150 Uttam Kumaran: You gotta grind out.
116 00:07:59.590 ⇒ 00:08:00.000 Pranav Narahari: Yeah.
117 00:08:02.040 ⇒ 00:08:06.519 Pranav Narahari: But these are nice, like, because I was drinking, like, Red Bulls before, like.
118 00:08:06.520 ⇒ 00:08:07.650 Uttam Kumaran: Oh…
119 00:08:07.650 ⇒ 00:08:14.659 Pranav Narahari: And so that was, like, 120 milligrams, 200 milligrams. And so this being 40, and I literally don’t need anything else.
120 00:08:15.500 ⇒ 00:08:17.260 Clarence Stone: There’s 200 in here!
121 00:08:17.260 ⇒ 00:08:18.870 Pranav Narahari: Yeah, Celsius is 200.
122 00:08:19.300 ⇒ 00:08:22.050 Pranav Narahari: Yeah, dude, you’re tough, bro.
123 00:08:22.780 ⇒ 00:08:32.830 Uttam Kumaran: Jess likes those, too. My girlfriend loves, like, Celsius Red Bull. She just had a bang in her hand, and I was like, I’ll make you a coffee. I tell her she’s gonna get cancer, and I’m like.
124 00:08:32.990 ⇒ 00:08:35.889 Uttam Kumaran: I’m like, I guess I’ll be paying for that, but like…
125 00:08:35.890 ⇒ 00:08:39.970 Clarence Stone: The thing is, like, I’ll have the coffee and the monster.
126 00:08:39.970 ⇒ 00:08:42.240 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, dude, what are you doing?
127 00:08:46.750 ⇒ 00:08:48.120 Uttam Kumaran: That’s so fun.
128 00:08:49.220 ⇒ 00:08:53.019 Clarence Stone: This is, if I’m between meetings, and I don’t have time to make the coffee.
129 00:08:55.390 ⇒ 00:08:58.920 Pranav Narahari: It’s so easy. Just get it from your fridge, crack it open, it’s ready.
130 00:09:00.660 ⇒ 00:09:07.639 Demilade Agboola: Yeah, I’m trying to stay off, like, energy drinks. There was a point in my life where I was probably taking, like, two, three a day.
131 00:09:08.180 ⇒ 00:09:08.660 Pranav Narahari: Oh, man.
132 00:09:08.880 ⇒ 00:09:11.060 Demilade Agboola: Yeah, at this point, I’m trying to…
133 00:09:12.600 ⇒ 00:09:21.829 Demilade Agboola: go through, like, what I can go through with my natural energy, and then probably just take maybe a cup of coffee. But even then, when I go to Starbucks, I’m probably turning them to add, like.
134 00:09:21.940 ⇒ 00:09:29.250 Demilade Agboola: or put 3 shots of espresso in here, and they’re like, 3 shots. They put in matcha, they’re putting 3 shots of espresso, they’re like, what’s going on?
135 00:09:29.950 ⇒ 00:09:32.329 Demilade Agboola: Or about it.
136 00:09:33.160 ⇒ 00:09:35.660 Uttam Kumaran: I used to get… have you guys got, like, red eyes?
137 00:09:36.710 ⇒ 00:09:37.100 Pranav Narahari: No.
138 00:09:37.100 ⇒ 00:09:38.110 Uttam Kumaran: Read of that drink?
139 00:09:38.830 ⇒ 00:09:42.520 Clarence Stone: A little coffee with a shot, right? Is that what it is?
140 00:09:42.760 ⇒ 00:09:43.480 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah.
141 00:09:44.240 ⇒ 00:09:45.040 Clarence Stone: You animal.
142 00:09:45.610 ⇒ 00:09:47.209 Clarence Stone: I like dirty chocolate.
143 00:09:47.210 ⇒ 00:09:47.840 Uttam Kumaran: You guys…
144 00:09:47.840 ⇒ 00:09:48.439 Clarence Stone: They’re kind of like…
145 00:09:48.440 ⇒ 00:09:55.590 Uttam Kumaran: I used to be… I used to be so bad with caffeine in school, like, it’s… it’s horrible. So, like, yeah, red eyes…
146 00:09:55.720 ⇒ 00:10:02.590 Uttam Kumaran: There’s a coffee with espresso, and then… we used to also buy this Depth Wish coffee.
147 00:10:02.590 ⇒ 00:10:03.620 Clarence Stone: Oh, yeah.
148 00:10:03.840 ⇒ 00:10:07.279 Pranav Narahari: Death Wish is the highest legal…
149 00:10:07.610 ⇒ 00:10:08.840 Uttam Kumaran: It’s the highest legal…
150 00:10:08.840 ⇒ 00:10:12.340 Clarence Stone: Bro, there’s one in my fridge right now.
151 00:10:12.910 ⇒ 00:10:16.530 Uttam Kumaran: So we used to buy the beans, and then…
152 00:10:17.070 ⇒ 00:10:29.179 Uttam Kumaran: basically roast it, and I used to drink one or one and a half cups all day, because basically, it’s the highest, like, it’s the highest, concentration of caffeine
153 00:10:29.390 ⇒ 00:10:33.099 Uttam Kumaran: per… Fluid ounce, so…
154 00:10:33.960 ⇒ 00:10:42.920 Uttam Kumaran: you just get ripped off these. Like, you take one sip, and you take, like, one or two sips, and it’s as much as, like, a normal coffee, so I would just drink it all day.
155 00:10:43.460 ⇒ 00:10:43.999 Pranav Narahari: Oh my god.
156 00:10:44.000 ⇒ 00:10:44.509 Uttam Kumaran: And I wasn’t.
157 00:10:44.510 ⇒ 00:10:44.850 Pranav Narahari: I’ve been.
158 00:10:44.850 ⇒ 00:10:47.320 Uttam Kumaran: Water, and like…
159 00:10:47.320 ⇒ 00:10:48.579 Pranav Narahari: Oh my gosh.
160 00:10:49.040 ⇒ 00:10:49.590 Pranav Narahari: Yeah.
161 00:10:49.590 ⇒ 00:10:50.220 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah.
162 00:10:50.470 ⇒ 00:10:53.250 Pranav Narahari: I’ve never seen 700 milligrams per serving.
163 00:10:54.520 ⇒ 00:10:59.200 Uttam Kumaran: Dude, this one, you, like… you, like, freak out. And it tastes horrible. It’s like…
164 00:10:59.990 ⇒ 00:11:02.599 Uttam Kumaran: It’s like, literally, they’re hitting, like, the legal limit.
165 00:11:05.010 ⇒ 00:11:11.089 Uttam Kumaran: I never got into Adderall, I didn’t do, like… I don’t know, I didn’t get into any drugs, because, like.
166 00:11:11.090 ⇒ 00:11:11.560 Pranav Narahari: Yeah.
167 00:11:11.560 ⇒ 00:11:13.139 Uttam Kumaran: I don’t know, it’s like coffee, and then…
168 00:11:14.350 ⇒ 00:11:17.780 Uttam Kumaran: But I was able to stay awake, I feel like, a lot longer, so…
169 00:11:20.640 ⇒ 00:11:26.779 Pranav Narahari: Yeah, but… you guys should try this, because I wonder if, like, you guys should try the Neuromince.
170 00:11:27.280 ⇒ 00:11:33.239 Uttam Kumaran: Oh, so Xylitol… I also have a… I have a… another… I have a bag of Xylitol gum.
171 00:11:33.470 ⇒ 00:11:34.160 Uttam Kumaran: I see.
172 00:11:34.160 ⇒ 00:11:35.210 Clarence Stone: Read your teeth.
173 00:11:36.350 ⇒ 00:11:36.880 Uttam Kumaran: S.
174 00:11:37.830 ⇒ 00:11:44.290 Uttam Kumaran: I feel like I have it somewhere. Yeah, basically, it’s just, like, a really good natural,
175 00:11:45.700 ⇒ 00:11:48.030 Uttam Kumaran: booth cleaning agent or something.
176 00:11:48.290 ⇒ 00:11:48.610 Pranav Narahari: Yeah.
177 00:11:48.610 ⇒ 00:11:49.850 Uttam Kumaran: It’s somewhere.
178 00:11:50.110 ⇒ 00:11:54.219 Pranav Narahari: So it’ll be good for, like, just your, like, your mouth health, basically.
179 00:11:54.610 ⇒ 00:12:00.379 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, yeah, it’s a really good natural, like, like, anti-cavity thing.
180 00:12:01.380 ⇒ 00:12:05.800 Uttam Kumaran: But… Yeah, this is good. Pop up 9 of these.
181 00:12:06.700 ⇒ 00:12:10.169 Pranav Narahari: Then it’s like, at that point, you might as well just take the coffee.
182 00:12:15.680 ⇒ 00:12:16.900 Uttam Kumaran: That’s funny.
183 00:12:24.230 ⇒ 00:12:31.739 Pranav Narahari: This does look like it would fit really well with Element, though. You know, just like… maybe should I talk to, like, Luke about that? Just be like, hey…
184 00:12:32.210 ⇒ 00:12:35.289 Pranav Narahari: We got Element in our portfolio, let’s add… let’s add Neuro.
185 00:12:38.900 ⇒ 00:12:40.050 Uttam Kumaran: I know, are they startup?
186 00:12:40.750 ⇒ 00:12:43.440 Uttam Kumaran: Dude, but we’re trying not to go work for more.
187 00:12:45.120 ⇒ 00:12:48.929 Uttam Kumaran: more a CPG, because it’s… it’s just tough clients.
188 00:12:49.250 ⇒ 00:12:50.030 Pranav Narahari: Yeah.
189 00:12:51.110 ⇒ 00:12:55.080 Uttam Kumaran: narrow… So, neuro…
190 00:12:58.830 ⇒ 00:13:01.300 Uttam Kumaran: I’m looking at this… oh, yeah, Neural Gum.
191 00:13:01.860 ⇒ 00:13:02.230 Pranav Narahari: Yeah.
192 00:13:02.230 ⇒ 00:13:03.740 Uttam Kumaran: Are they public company?
193 00:13:05.580 ⇒ 00:13:08.420 Pranav Narahari: I’ve never looked into… oh, they were on Shark Tank?
194 00:13:10.000 ⇒ 00:13:10.840 Pranav Narahari: Interesting.
195 00:13:13.190 ⇒ 00:13:15.219 Uttam Kumaran: Neuro Energy and Focus Gum.
196 00:13:24.150 ⇒ 00:13:27.470 Uttam Kumaran: 10 million in revenue a month, valuation exceeding $100.
197 00:13:28.030 ⇒ 00:13:33.460 Uttam Kumaran: Oh… Because they’ve got… Rogan, I guess, talked about them.
198 00:13:34.910 ⇒ 00:13:36.690 Uttam Kumaran: Interesting, very cool.
199 00:13:37.030 ⇒ 00:13:41.110 Clarence Stone: I don’t know if I should have that much caffeine. There’s just too many sources.
200 00:13:42.030 ⇒ 00:13:46.119 Uttam Kumaran: Dude, you need to sleep, dude. You need to just actually sleep.
201 00:13:46.120 ⇒ 00:13:48.090 Clarence Stone: There’s just so much I wanna do.
202 00:13:50.790 ⇒ 00:13:52.060 Clarence Stone: So much.
203 00:13:53.280 ⇒ 00:13:58.309 Clarence Stone: And, dude, my hair’s fine today. Like, you know when it’s bad and it’s all fucked up.
204 00:13:58.310 ⇒ 00:13:59.990 Uttam Kumaran: I know, you look, you look great.
205 00:13:59.990 ⇒ 00:14:01.050 Clarence Stone: Yeah, I took you.
206 00:14:01.050 ⇒ 00:14:04.920 Uttam Kumaran: You ain’t going to… you’re going to a tennis match, like, to go watch or something.
207 00:14:04.920 ⇒ 00:14:06.270 Clarence Stone: Yeah, we’re good.
208 00:14:06.370 ⇒ 00:14:07.550 Clarence Stone: We good.
209 00:14:07.780 ⇒ 00:14:12.490 Uttam Kumaran: I just have to look, like, decently professional from, like, this… this level up.
210 00:14:14.990 ⇒ 00:14:19.740 Uttam Kumaran: But see, all my meetings, I gotta come, like, hit so hard, and it’s like…
211 00:14:20.310 ⇒ 00:14:23.569 Uttam Kumaran: And I gotta do, like, 10 things in the background, it’s like…
212 00:14:23.690 ⇒ 00:14:30.099 Uttam Kumaran: Dude, I have to be on caffeine, like, I don’t know how I can do this lifestyle without it.
213 00:14:30.630 ⇒ 00:14:31.080 Demilade Agboola: We…
214 00:14:31.080 ⇒ 00:14:36.469 Uttam Kumaran: How am I gonna sit on a meeting, talk, and Slack, and email without caffeine?
215 00:14:39.640 ⇒ 00:14:40.519 Uttam Kumaran: Sorry, go ahead.
216 00:14:40.520 ⇒ 00:14:43.690 Demilade Agboola: I will say that one of the things that does help, like.
217 00:14:44.290 ⇒ 00:14:48.510 Demilade Agboola: Figure out, like, hell they’re living is playing a sport.
218 00:14:48.750 ⇒ 00:14:52.320 Demilade Agboola: Because once you start playing this sport, you start to realize that
219 00:14:52.840 ⇒ 00:15:00.079 Demilade Agboola: The days where, like, you don’t sleep well, or you don’t take care of your, like, you don’t eat well, like, whatever your…
220 00:15:00.250 ⇒ 00:15:02.009 Demilade Agboola: health flow it can be.
221 00:15:02.120 ⇒ 00:15:08.269 Demilade Agboola: you’ll have a horrible game. Like, you’re gonna feel it, your body feels, like, really bad.
222 00:15:09.500 ⇒ 00:15:25.099 Demilade Agboola: And so, like, there’s only so much, like, Red Bull, or Celsius, or Death Wish can take you if, like, your body feels really crappy, because that’s when you’re also prone to injuries, that’s when, like, you know, like, it’s just so much that, at that point, it just helps a lot.
223 00:15:25.310 ⇒ 00:15:26.849 Demilade Agboola: To help, like.
224 00:15:27.080 ⇒ 00:15:32.709 Demilade Agboola: calibrate, because literally times I sleep earlier than I normally would, because I’m like, oh, I…
225 00:15:32.940 ⇒ 00:15:37.419 Demilade Agboola: I have to play a tennis match tomorrow, like, on a Saturday and Friday.
226 00:15:37.420 ⇒ 00:15:38.779 Clarence Stone: Can I ask you what you played.
227 00:15:38.980 ⇒ 00:15:43.420 Demilade Agboola: Yeah, so I play, I play, I play, tennis is more recent. I played,
228 00:15:43.880 ⇒ 00:15:53.999 Demilade Agboola: football, soccer, since I was a child, like, that’s the most, like, that’s, like, Nigeria’s theme. And so everywhere I go, I, like, try to play a bit. But I started tennis, like.
229 00:15:54.720 ⇒ 00:15:56.700 Demilade Agboola: 7 months ago? 8 months ago?
230 00:15:57.280 ⇒ 00:16:05.070 Demilade Agboola: Pretty decent at it. My coach says he wishes I found tennis when I was a child. But, yeah.
231 00:16:05.380 ⇒ 00:16:06.800 Uttam Kumaran: I don’t know, like, I played…
232 00:16:07.270 ⇒ 00:16:11.890 Uttam Kumaran: I played… I played tennis my whole life. Like, we should play one day.
233 00:16:12.090 ⇒ 00:16:22.329 Uttam Kumaran: But when you’re a kid and you play tennis, it’s really stressful. My sister played, she’s 6 years younger than me, she played right when I started playing, so I was in, like.
234 00:16:22.470 ⇒ 00:16:30.150 Uttam Kumaran: freshman year of high school, or, like, end of middle school, she was younger, it’s so stressed. Like, everybody you know who played tennis as a kid is, like.
235 00:16:30.280 ⇒ 00:16:32.100 Uttam Kumaran: Mentally, like, really fucked up.
236 00:16:32.310 ⇒ 00:16:33.330 Uttam Kumaran: So…
237 00:16:33.360 ⇒ 00:16:36.349 Pranav Narahari: Unless you’re, like, a very happy-go-lucky person, which…
238 00:16:36.630 ⇒ 00:16:40.090 Uttam Kumaran: I would say you’re… you’re kind of like me, like, you like winning.
239 00:16:40.230 ⇒ 00:16:45.419 Uttam Kumaran: And if you’re not, like, a, oh, like, I’m just here to have fun, and are good.
240 00:16:45.790 ⇒ 00:16:57.469 Uttam Kumaran: Tennis is tough, because it’s so isolating, and it’s your coach just being like, you’re not… you suck at this, you have to hit for 6 hours. My sister, basically, my parents were about to take my sister out of school.
241 00:16:57.980 ⇒ 00:17:02.129 Uttam Kumaran: To go play tennis full-time, because they were traveling, and she was going to tournaments.
242 00:17:02.300 ⇒ 00:17:18.840 Uttam Kumaran: And I was like, no way, like, half… half time is okay. But I’m like, she’s gonna be… she’s gonna be a weirdo. Like, do not homeschool her. Like, no, I’m not gonna allow that. Because all the coaches are telling them, like, oh, she can make it, like…
243 00:17:18.960 ⇒ 00:17:24.199 Uttam Kumaran: I was like, on what planet, dude? Like, you’re paying these people, what are they gonna tell you? Like…
244 00:17:24.200 ⇒ 00:17:27.139 Pranav Narahari: Keeper in school!
245 00:17:29.150 ⇒ 00:17:30.030 Uttam Kumaran: It was funny.
246 00:17:30.030 ⇒ 00:17:34.310 Pranav Narahari: Those individual sports, though, is just, like, so mentally, like, taxing.
247 00:17:34.400 ⇒ 00:17:35.150 Demilade Agboola: Yeah. Yeah.
248 00:17:35.150 ⇒ 00:17:35.580 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah.
249 00:17:35.580 ⇒ 00:17:41.350 Demilade Agboola: It’s so… because it’s one of the things that I’ve had to, like, start working on, is because it’s so easy for
250 00:17:41.720 ⇒ 00:17:48.019 Demilade Agboola: A bad game to just keep spiraling, and if you don’t know how to, like, catch yourself or, like, reset yourself.
251 00:17:48.950 ⇒ 00:17:54.119 Demilade Agboola: it will just keep going worse and worse and worse and worse. Like, it’s… it’s really one of those things…
252 00:17:54.170 ⇒ 00:18:12.730 Demilade Agboola: Where one batch, like, I also started realizing, like, I make my mistakes in bunches. So, like, oh, I hit the net, like, I hit the ball into the net. The next… if I have to serve, I might double fault, and then the next point, I would, like, it’s just, like, it just comes in bunches, and it’s just being able to play ahead and be present in the moment again.
253 00:18:12.880 ⇒ 00:18:14.360 Demilade Agboola: With that.
254 00:18:14.500 ⇒ 00:18:21.100 Demilade Agboola: But yeah, tennis is physically tasking. There’s some strategy, there’s quite a bit of strategy involved.
255 00:18:21.720 ⇒ 00:18:24.889 Demilade Agboola: And then you also have to be physical to execute it.
256 00:18:25.240 ⇒ 00:18:26.940 Demilade Agboola: and mentally.
257 00:18:27.170 ⇒ 00:18:32.639 Demilade Agboola: In place, like, mentally locked in to be able to not lose your shit when things go south.
258 00:18:34.240 ⇒ 00:18:35.720 Pranav Narahari: Have you guys ever played golf?
259 00:18:36.590 ⇒ 00:18:38.660 Clarence Stone: I hate it. I’m so bad.
260 00:18:38.660 ⇒ 00:18:47.659 Pranav Narahari: So I’ve been playing golf since I was in 7th grade, and I played, like, 4 years of varsity, like, high school, and that, like, Demi, when you’re talking about, like.
261 00:18:47.810 ⇒ 00:18:51.769 Pranav Narahari: Just, like, yeah, mistakes in bunches, like, oh my gosh, like…
262 00:18:51.980 ⇒ 00:18:54.919 Pranav Narahari: You just, like, want to beat yourself up, and it’s not like…
263 00:18:55.580 ⇒ 00:19:14.040 Pranav Narahari: I mean, with, like, golf, okay, you don’t need to be in good shape. That’s, of course, like, your… like, your physical body isn’t as important, but, like, with golf, the issue is, like, when you hit a bad shot, it’s just like, now I gotta go find that shit, I have to go… you’re just, like, beating yourself up for, like, the next, like, minute and a half until you hit it again.
264 00:19:14.130 ⇒ 00:19:19.640 Pranav Narahari: And so it’s not like… it’s hard to be, like, locked in. And I feel like that’s, like, the hardest part about golf.
265 00:19:20.220 ⇒ 00:19:21.730 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, see, I can’t…
266 00:19:21.730 ⇒ 00:19:22.340 Pranav Narahari: Yeah.
267 00:19:23.440 ⇒ 00:19:24.970 Uttam Kumaran: I can’t,
268 00:19:25.320 ⇒ 00:19:32.249 Uttam Kumaran: I can’t do much in my life that isn’t… that… where I’m not, like, fully occupied. And it’s gotten worse as…
269 00:19:32.440 ⇒ 00:19:33.960 Uttam Kumaran: I take in this job.
270 00:19:34.340 ⇒ 00:19:38.939 Uttam Kumaran: Like, if I’m not doing… I either have to be doing, like, 10 things.
271 00:19:39.520 ⇒ 00:19:42.600 Uttam Kumaran: Or, I have to be doing zero things.
272 00:19:42.760 ⇒ 00:19:45.800 Uttam Kumaran: like, this is where I think Clarence and I differ, because, like.
273 00:19:46.240 ⇒ 00:19:55.629 Uttam Kumaran: I… I operate, like, at 100 miles an hour, but then I’ll be like, cool, I’m gonna watch, like, Austin local news for, like, 2 hours on KXAN, on the YouTube channel.
274 00:19:55.770 ⇒ 00:20:01.659 Uttam Kumaran: and I’ll watch, like, Let me hear about how the local bond sale went for the school district.
275 00:20:01.840 ⇒ 00:20:03.750 Uttam Kumaran: And I’m, like, so vegged out.
276 00:20:04.410 ⇒ 00:20:08.160 Uttam Kumaran: Or I’m like, Like, where I am now.
277 00:20:08.190 ⇒ 00:20:12.110 Pranav Narahari: Versus some people, like, carry the same consistent, like.
278 00:20:12.110 ⇒ 00:20:19.989 Uttam Kumaran: thing, I’m not like that. And it’s gotten worse as I, like, this job is so intense that, like, when I’m out of this, I’m sort of, like.
279 00:20:20.380 ⇒ 00:20:22.479 Uttam Kumaran: Let’s just… can we just, like, sit?
280 00:20:22.610 ⇒ 00:20:23.590 Uttam Kumaran: And, like.
281 00:20:24.810 ⇒ 00:20:31.289 Uttam Kumaran: that’s probably, like, what I would like to do is just that, like, just sit down and, like, have a coffee and, like.
282 00:20:31.400 ⇒ 00:20:39.939 Uttam Kumaran: just not do anything. Because I’m moving on my phone, or whatever, it’s so, like, intoxicating to keep working, so…
283 00:20:41.730 ⇒ 00:20:48.539 Pranav Narahari: Yeah. When you wake up, like, first thing in the morning, is it just, like, brain forge, or do you do something before to, like, get into it?
284 00:20:49.440 ⇒ 00:20:54.769 Uttam Kumaran: I try not to work first thing, but it is the first thing that I think about.
285 00:20:57.590 ⇒ 00:21:02.439 Uttam Kumaran: So, I try, like, if I’m really, like, back in my groove, I wake up.
286 00:21:02.910 ⇒ 00:21:06.820 Uttam Kumaran: I will just try not to open my phone until we… I go for a walk.
287 00:21:07.890 ⇒ 00:21:10.370 Uttam Kumaran: And that’s, like, usually when I’m in a good situation.
288 00:21:11.340 ⇒ 00:21:16.170 Uttam Kumaran: like, the past few weeks have been tough. Starting the year was good, and the past few weeks have been tough.
289 00:21:16.590 ⇒ 00:21:20.510 Uttam Kumaran: And then during the day, I’m sort of locked in.
290 00:21:20.740 ⇒ 00:21:24.999 Uttam Kumaran: But in the morning, I try to leave a little bit of a gap, like.
291 00:21:25.360 ⇒ 00:21:29.170 Uttam Kumaran: Coffee or whatever, but it’s tough because we have a global team.
292 00:21:29.370 ⇒ 00:21:30.909 Pranav Narahari: And, like.
293 00:21:30.910 ⇒ 00:21:37.149 Uttam Kumaran: for example, B joined, and it’s hard for me to, like, sit with him and think about, like, automations to build during the day.
294 00:21:37.510 ⇒ 00:21:42.660 Uttam Kumaran: And so I’m like, let me just tell them some things I need help with, or some things to try.
295 00:21:42.820 ⇒ 00:21:49.500 Uttam Kumaran: And then also, at the end of the day, usually, like, the Pacific team is sort of, like, still online, so, like, I’ll call Luke.
296 00:21:50.020 ⇒ 00:21:52.099 Uttam Kumaran: Or something like that.
297 00:21:52.290 ⇒ 00:21:54.530 Uttam Kumaran: But… I need to get better.
298 00:21:55.210 ⇒ 00:21:59.990 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, it’s not sustainable the way it is right now, but…
299 00:22:00.440 ⇒ 00:22:07.919 Uttam Kumaran: it’s… it’s tough, because, like, I… I also… I’ve done… I’ve tried everything, because I… like, I don’t have notifications on my phone.
300 00:22:08.350 ⇒ 00:22:13.149 Uttam Kumaran: I’m not really, like… I don’t… like, it’s just tough to get out of it, I think.
301 00:22:13.740 ⇒ 00:22:17.719 Uttam Kumaran: Especially when I’m in, like, a lot of back-to-back calls, or…
302 00:22:17.980 ⇒ 00:22:21.069 Uttam Kumaran: You don’t get a lot of focus time, you end up, like, spinning.
303 00:22:21.430 ⇒ 00:22:27.270 Uttam Kumaran: So, yeah, long story short, like, I try to skip, like, an hour if I can, but…
304 00:22:27.480 ⇒ 00:22:32.579 Uttam Kumaran: Some days, like, I’m waking up at 6.30, and so, like, just to do work early, right?
305 00:22:33.420 ⇒ 00:22:35.059 Uttam Kumaran: So it’s tough.
306 00:22:35.530 ⇒ 00:22:36.200 Uttam Kumaran: Tough.
307 00:22:38.370 ⇒ 00:22:41.640 Pranav Narahari: So that’s why I think our morning meetings are actually going to be helpful for me.
308 00:22:41.770 ⇒ 00:22:46.030 Uttam Kumaran: Because usually, it’s, like, talking to you guys is actually, ultimately, like, this…
309 00:22:46.270 ⇒ 00:22:52.090 Uttam Kumaran: CSOSL crew is actually what I strive to do more of during the day, and it’s hard for me.
310 00:22:52.200 ⇒ 00:22:54.300 Uttam Kumaran: And it’s hard for you guys to get ahold of me.
311 00:22:54.650 ⇒ 00:22:59.409 Uttam Kumaran: So actually, I think the morning meeting, even today, even though it was short, I was like.
312 00:22:59.500 ⇒ 00:23:15.859 Uttam Kumaran: this is killer. I know how to make it tighter and, like, actually get the things I need to hear, and then also be present for whatever the team needs. And then I can… I will ultimately try to do a lot less discussion with the people, like, working on your guys’ teams.
313 00:23:15.990 ⇒ 00:23:18.650 Uttam Kumaran: And that’s very, very helpful.
314 00:23:19.640 ⇒ 00:23:25.750 Uttam Kumaran: You know, and then now Kayla’s handling, like, all of recruiting, which is great. Luca’s doing a lot on marketing and partnerships.
315 00:23:26.030 ⇒ 00:23:28.489 Uttam Kumaran: So, things are getting offloaded.
316 00:23:28.740 ⇒ 00:23:34.170 Uttam Kumaran: So, yeah, like, we’re attacking it really hard.
317 00:23:34.690 ⇒ 00:23:53.610 Clarence Stone: Yeah, I… I don’t think I have an off mode, and I’m not gonna have an off mode. We are living in one of the best times to be alive, and if you’re not capitalizing on this moment, like, I don’t know when this is gonna happen again. I’m not fucking missing it. I miss Web 3. This… this is not… this is not time to chill.
318 00:23:54.730 ⇒ 00:24:02.240 Clarence Stone: We will chill eventually. We will chill when the automations work, and they’re… they’re chained and become agent managers, but…
319 00:24:03.080 ⇒ 00:24:04.630 Clarence Stone: Not in this moment.
320 00:24:06.490 ⇒ 00:24:09.290 Clarence Stone: I don’t have an off-code right now. I mean…
321 00:24:09.780 ⇒ 00:24:14.979 Clarence Stone: If it’s a workout, just bang it out in 20 minutes, like, I got a CrossFit gym in my backyard.
322 00:24:15.670 ⇒ 00:24:17.380 Pranav Narahari: Oh, that’s nice, yeah.
323 00:24:19.870 ⇒ 00:24:23.840 Pranav Narahari: That’s the one thing that I need to figure out. I need to get, like, an actual gym, like…
324 00:24:24.270 ⇒ 00:24:31.599 Pranav Narahari: just nearby. I mean, I have… my gym I go to is just like… it’s like a 10-minute drive, but even now, I’m still like, okay.
325 00:24:31.730 ⇒ 00:24:39.439 Pranav Narahari: Because, like, I like to do it just, like, maybe if I have 30 minutes, so I can get, like, half my workout in in between, like, a meeting or something like that. And that way, it’s just, like…
326 00:24:39.860 ⇒ 00:24:46.420 Pranav Narahari: you know, I don’t need to carve out, like, an hour and a half, like, in the day, where I just can’t do anything else but work. Work out, I mean.
327 00:24:49.610 ⇒ 00:24:50.310 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah.
328 00:24:50.540 ⇒ 00:24:52.810 Uttam Kumaran: I feel now that I’m able to,
329 00:24:53.250 ⇒ 00:24:55.939 Uttam Kumaran: Take off cursor agents from my phone.
330 00:24:56.370 ⇒ 00:24:59.400 Pranav Narahari: That’s actually really motivating me to go outside.
331 00:24:59.470 ⇒ 00:25:02.049 Uttam Kumaran: A lot more, and do things outside.
332 00:25:02.920 ⇒ 00:25:04.490 Clarence Stone: Or I can still work.
333 00:25:04.670 ⇒ 00:25:07.089 Clarence Stone: Use your Hermes to do the rest.
334 00:25:08.330 ⇒ 00:25:14.610 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, but I’m… I’m gonna… I’m gonna actually hook up, like, Tailscale to, like, some type of thing where I can still use cursor.
335 00:25:16.210 ⇒ 00:25:16.599 Clarence Stone: Yo, I know.
336 00:25:16.600 ⇒ 00:25:25.340 Uttam Kumaran: Because, again, it’s really hard for me to shut off, so, like, I still want to… I still need to, like, do things, but I would like to be, like, on a walk or something, you know, and that’s actually helpful.
337 00:25:25.340 ⇒ 00:25:35.770 Clarence Stone: I use… I used to use OpenClaw to do my planning and thinking, and it creates a linear ticket, and then I watch the code in the different app.
338 00:25:37.570 ⇒ 00:25:42.919 Clarence Stone: Because, like, I think the biggest problem is, like, inspiration hits whenever it hits.
339 00:25:43.150 ⇒ 00:25:44.959 Clarence Stone: Right, and sure, things.
340 00:25:44.960 ⇒ 00:25:45.500 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah.
341 00:25:45.500 ⇒ 00:25:55.509 Clarence Stone: coding, but, like, you can check in on that, that’s perfect, you can send, you know, things, but, like, kind of want to dissect things, and, like, poke at it, and, you know, develop ideas, and…
342 00:25:55.640 ⇒ 00:26:02.669 Clarence Stone: Yeah, like… I… that’s why I like these other agent scaffolds, like, because it’s separate from the coding part.
343 00:26:04.230 ⇒ 00:26:06.499 Clarence Stone: He’s so frickin’ heavy, alright? You’re going.
344 00:26:06.940 ⇒ 00:26:07.999 Clarence Stone: Oh my god!
345 00:26:17.010 ⇒ 00:26:18.440 Clarence Stone: What, bro?
346 00:26:19.270 ⇒ 00:26:20.580 Clarence Stone: No chill!
347 00:26:20.710 ⇒ 00:26:21.780 Clarence Stone: Go!
348 00:26:22.100 ⇒ 00:26:27.599 Uttam Kumaran: The other thing is, I also have all this, like, operational stuff, like signing docs, or like…
349 00:26:27.600 ⇒ 00:26:31.009 Clarence Stone: QuickBooks, or like… I’m, like, we.
350 00:26:31.010 ⇒ 00:26:31.530 Uttam Kumaran: You know?
351 00:26:31.580 ⇒ 00:26:34.560 Clarence Stone: On invoicing, actually, I need a fucking…
352 00:26:35.750 ⇒ 00:26:41.320 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, so I just have… there’s all these, like, there’s… there’s all this, like, ancillary operations in the company.
353 00:26:41.680 ⇒ 00:26:47.990 Uttam Kumaran: that, like, I was previously the main stakeholder involved, and now we’re building layers of escalation.
354 00:26:48.220 ⇒ 00:26:49.329 Uttam Kumaran: So that, like.
355 00:26:49.680 ⇒ 00:27:01.379 Uttam Kumaran: someone now is the first pass at it, and then, ultimately, if it, like, isn’t according to policy, it reaches me. But these are the… this is, like, the company engineering piece that actually, like, I, like, really love.
356 00:27:01.780 ⇒ 00:27:05.580 Uttam Kumaran: But it’s hard, because…
357 00:27:08.020 ⇒ 00:27:13.100 Uttam Kumaran: it’s not the main thing. Like, the main thing is you guys and clients, so it’s hard for me to, like…
358 00:27:13.420 ⇒ 00:27:20.279 Uttam Kumaran: it’s hard to spend 3 hours. For example, at any moment, like, there’s a tax thing, or an accountant thing, or a finance thing, or something, but, like.
359 00:27:21.470 ⇒ 00:27:24.599 Uttam Kumaran: it’s not the main thing, and so ultimately, I know that, like.
360 00:27:24.830 ⇒ 00:27:27.700 Uttam Kumaran: If we go get money, and we have great people.
361 00:27:28.490 ⇒ 00:27:37.099 Uttam Kumaran: This is part of me where you have to turn the data piece off, and be like, we just do the thing, we go get great deals, we have great people.
362 00:27:37.460 ⇒ 00:27:42.010 Uttam Kumaran: Like, it’ll work itself out, and you can’t stare at the numbers too much.
363 00:27:42.470 ⇒ 00:27:49.460 Uttam Kumaran: Which I think as a data person is really, really tough to do, because ultimately the data will tell you all the answers, but…
364 00:27:49.890 ⇒ 00:27:57.019 Uttam Kumaran: you wouldn’t have seen that we would… we grow so… we grew so much. You wouldn’t have been able to look at the data and be like, oh, these guys are clearly gonna grow.
365 00:27:57.710 ⇒ 00:27:59.230 Uttam Kumaran: like, in Q4.
366 00:27:59.380 ⇒ 00:28:01.330 Uttam Kumaran: we, like, hustled, like, I just, like…
367 00:28:01.550 ⇒ 00:28:03.360 Uttam Kumaran: Pride to do a bunch of things.
368 00:28:03.750 ⇒ 00:28:17.229 Uttam Kumaran: And, and also, there’s a lot of decisions I made, like, mid-last year that are now working out. See, sometimes you can’t, like, draw a through-lines to things, you know? Like, meeting you, taking time to go meet you.
369 00:28:17.400 ⇒ 00:28:23.319 Uttam Kumaran: like… Those are… this is why, like, sometimes you have to leave it open to, like, just take bets.
370 00:28:23.420 ⇒ 00:28:27.150 Uttam Kumaran: So more of it is, like, how many bets can we successfully run?
371 00:28:27.440 ⇒ 00:28:28.730 Pranav Narahari: At any time.
372 00:28:29.170 ⇒ 00:28:33.610 Uttam Kumaran: and then you just kinda, like…
373 00:28:34.330 ⇒ 00:28:36.989 Uttam Kumaran: Expect some of those to close, you know?
374 00:28:37.310 ⇒ 00:28:38.530 Pranav Narahari: Yeah.
375 00:28:38.840 ⇒ 00:28:43.319 Uttam Kumaran: And then now we’re starting to get a lot more rigid on, like, we’re always doing content.
376 00:28:43.440 ⇒ 00:28:45.859 Uttam Kumaran: We’re always doing events or webinars.
377 00:28:45.980 ⇒ 00:28:52.550 Uttam Kumaran: And those convert at an expected rate. And so, like, there’s always on things, and then there’s still a lot of luck involved.
378 00:28:52.850 ⇒ 00:28:57.640 Uttam Kumaran: Ideally, it’s more of that versus, like, over time, it’ll be a lot more predictable.
379 00:28:57.780 ⇒ 00:28:58.620 Uttam Kumaran: You know?
380 00:28:58.750 ⇒ 00:29:04.410 Uttam Kumaran: And then there’s, like, moonshot things, right? There’s stuff that, like, we’re doing internally,
381 00:29:04.990 ⇒ 00:29:06.730 Uttam Kumaran: on the AI side, where you’re like.
382 00:29:07.420 ⇒ 00:29:12.540 Uttam Kumaran: Okay, if you were to look at our business, you may tell me, like, don’t spend your time working on the platform.
383 00:29:12.910 ⇒ 00:29:14.990 Uttam Kumaran: But now it’s, like, an entire business line.
384 00:29:15.880 ⇒ 00:29:21.739 Uttam Kumaran: Two and a half years ago, nobody told me to, like, use AI to build a business or think about the layer.
385 00:29:22.370 ⇒ 00:29:23.369 Uttam Kumaran: I was like.
386 00:29:23.640 ⇒ 00:29:34.550 Uttam Kumaran: No, I think this is, like, way faster than how all you people are telling me to do this. Now it’s, like, a whole part of our business, but, like, that’s how, like, stupid it is.
387 00:29:34.710 ⇒ 00:29:40.240 Uttam Kumaran: But also, like, that’s how… that’s how the bet is. I bet… we took a bet that, like.
388 00:29:40.640 ⇒ 00:29:46.450 Uttam Kumaran: thinking about automation really early, and everybody using AI, I knew… just, like, it’s gonna snowball.
389 00:29:46.930 ⇒ 00:29:55.269 Uttam Kumaran: to where everybody has that in their brain, now we can come to a meeting in the morning, like, guys, I have, like, 10 skills for you. Like, I’m telling you, we are, like, one of the few companies
390 00:29:55.690 ⇒ 00:30:03.679 Uttam Kumaran: Like, that are doing that. Like, all the companies you know that are doing that are the hottest companies on LinkedIn, where they’re like, our team generated this skill today.
391 00:30:04.540 ⇒ 00:30:10.429 Uttam Kumaran: it’s not happening in many places. But I took this, like, long bet from, like, years ago.
392 00:30:10.710 ⇒ 00:30:11.979 Uttam Kumaran: That you just sort of keep.
393 00:30:12.460 ⇒ 00:30:18.260 Uttam Kumaran: like, I’m just, like, in OpenAI, trying to stitch things together. We did N8M for, like, way too long.
394 00:30:18.700 ⇒ 00:30:21.310 Uttam Kumaran: You know, cause there’s just nothing there.
395 00:30:22.470 ⇒ 00:30:27.179 Uttam Kumaran: So yeah, it’s just… some things, I guess, long story, some things you can’t, like.
396 00:30:28.250 ⇒ 00:30:32.290 Uttam Kumaran: You can’t measure it sort of like business instinct or, like, gut instinct, you know?
397 00:30:37.470 ⇒ 00:30:52.449 Pranav Narahari: How, like, when did you guys start thinking about this new structure of, like, CSO, SL, forming, like, EP? Like, I know, Clarence, like, you kind of, like, presented that, kind of, probably, like, came up with that, right?
398 00:30:53.090 ⇒ 00:30:58.059 Pranav Narahari: Was that, like, new as of January, or were you guys, like, talking about that, like, in 2025?
399 00:31:00.130 ⇒ 00:31:01.620 Uttam Kumaran: like, December?
400 00:31:01.930 ⇒ 00:31:02.280 Pranav Narahari: Oh.
401 00:31:02.280 ⇒ 00:31:07.590 Uttam Kumaran: I mean, but this is also it, like, ideas don’t work like that, meaning, like.
402 00:31:07.790 ⇒ 00:31:11.289 Uttam Kumaran: I always challenged how we do…
403 00:31:11.820 ⇒ 00:31:17.789 Uttam Kumaran: project and client management, and I always have been trying to think about new models.
404 00:31:17.910 ⇒ 00:31:22.809 Uttam Kumaran: So when people discuss new models with me, I’m always open to them.
405 00:31:23.100 ⇒ 00:31:23.510 Pranav Narahari: Yeah.
406 00:31:23.510 ⇒ 00:31:29.800 Uttam Kumaran: And so, in talking to Clarence, I… again, it was another way of, like, we have this need for a new model.
407 00:31:29.950 ⇒ 00:31:33.900 Uttam Kumaran: Like, can we… Let’s work on one together.
408 00:31:34.140 ⇒ 00:31:40.060 Uttam Kumaran: And I think that, like, getting the details down, it was a mix of us using a lot of AI.
409 00:31:40.100 ⇒ 00:31:41.870 Pranav Narahari: And then it was a mix of meat.
410 00:31:41.910 ⇒ 00:31:44.450 Uttam Kumaran: Giving some context on, like, what’s possible.
411 00:31:45.350 ⇒ 00:31:52.579 Uttam Kumaran: But, like, So, it came together quick, like, 4… 3-4 weeks?
412 00:31:52.890 ⇒ 00:31:56.270 Uttam Kumaran: But, like.
413 00:31:56.780 ⇒ 00:32:04.340 Uttam Kumaran: the problem wasn’t, like, getting the document together, the problem was, like, I needed conviction that, like, this…
414 00:32:04.550 ⇒ 00:32:10.890 Uttam Kumaran: Always, in terms of the best thing, you don’t want to rock the boat too much and make too many changes too fast.
415 00:32:10.890 ⇒ 00:32:11.490 Pranav Narahari: Right.
416 00:32:11.490 ⇒ 00:32:15.659 Uttam Kumaran: And, like, that is something that, like… AI and…
417 00:32:15.930 ⇒ 00:32:20.939 Uttam Kumaran: advisors to the companies, and people, like, they don’t have a… for me, I always kind of have a sense of, like.
418 00:32:21.280 ⇒ 00:32:22.670 Uttam Kumaran: How many, like.
419 00:32:22.810 ⇒ 00:32:28.309 Uttam Kumaran: where is the boat of the company? Like, how are things shifting? I have some innate sense.
420 00:32:28.410 ⇒ 00:32:38.740 Uttam Kumaran: And so, whenever I make a big change, I really… for me, I try to take the… I try to, like, almost do the opposite thing, was like, why should we not do this?
421 00:32:39.110 ⇒ 00:32:42.539 Pranav Narahari: It’s very easy to say, why should we do something?
422 00:32:42.580 ⇒ 00:33:01.790 Uttam Kumaran: It’s always, like, the shiny object syndrome is the same thing in your personal life that it is at a company. This new tool, this new way of working, this, like, new person, or this new client. So, ultimately, I always… it’s always… it’s easy to do that, so I always try to take the opposite side, which is, like, let’s talk ourselves out of it.
423 00:33:02.120 ⇒ 00:33:11.460 Uttam Kumaran: And then you kind of think about always what I say, which is like, it’s not like a hell yes, then it has to be a no, and so you continuously do that with as many decisions as you can.
424 00:33:11.690 ⇒ 00:33:15.119 Uttam Kumaran: And this one, like, yeah, kind of came together, like, end of December.
425 00:33:16.980 ⇒ 00:33:23.820 Uttam Kumaran: And it was a lot of my assumptions and my hopes, which is, like, I didn’t want to have a huge project management arm.
426 00:33:24.240 ⇒ 00:33:27.080 Uttam Kumaran: I had a strong feeling it was automatable, I just…
427 00:33:27.460 ⇒ 00:33:36.720 Uttam Kumaran: But I didn’t know whether, like, we would outlast it, meaning, like, whether we would adopt all the project management principles, agile, all that stuff.
428 00:33:37.080 ⇒ 00:33:40.689 Uttam Kumaran: And then eventually we would automate it. Would those people automate it?
429 00:33:41.080 ⇒ 00:33:47.290 Uttam Kumaran: I didn’t know, and then, yeah, like, it was a mix of, like, how fast AI was going, like, Clarence getting involved.
430 00:33:47.540 ⇒ 00:33:50.300 Uttam Kumaran: This plan, and then also the team, like.
431 00:33:50.680 ⇒ 00:33:55.219 Uttam Kumaran: in knowing who we had on the board, I was like, these folks are up for a challenge.
432 00:33:55.430 ⇒ 00:33:59.200 Uttam Kumaran: So that was, like… That was, a lot of it, you know?
433 00:34:01.470 ⇒ 00:34:02.200 Pranav Narahari: Yeah.
434 00:34:02.410 ⇒ 00:34:05.409 Pranav Narahari: I think, like, also a part of that, too, is, like…
435 00:34:05.730 ⇒ 00:34:08.600 Pranav Narahari: You need to, like, have the right personnel for that.
436 00:34:09.030 ⇒ 00:34:13.869 Pranav Narahari: Like, you couldn’t have just, like, a super technical team that didn’t want to be in front of…
437 00:34:13.989 ⇒ 00:34:14.600 Pranav Narahari: Like, Klein.
438 00:34:14.600 ⇒ 00:34:15.270 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah.
439 00:34:16.110 ⇒ 00:34:17.400 Pranav Narahari: Yeah, so…
440 00:34:17.830 ⇒ 00:34:23.620 Pranav Narahari: Yeah, I mean, that’s interesting. But I brought that up because I was like, that’s, like, a bet that you took that’s, like…
441 00:34:24.900 ⇒ 00:34:32.239 Pranav Narahari: I’m thinking, like, at this point, are you already like, oh yeah, that definitely, like, paid off, or are you still kind of, like, evaluating, assessing it?
442 00:34:34.520 ⇒ 00:34:40.439 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, this is the thing, because for all these answers, I’m just gonna have long-winded, because I don’t think it’s…
443 00:34:40.650 ⇒ 00:34:48.029 Uttam Kumaran: It’s so hard to say, like, what payoff is, because ultimately, payoff implies that you get the value.
444 00:34:48.159 ⇒ 00:34:53.860 Uttam Kumaran: And so, on what timeline? And so, for me, I’ve always thought about this business as a long-term business.
445 00:34:54.380 ⇒ 00:35:00.270 Uttam Kumaran: And… I think… Yes, we are seeing the payoff.
446 00:35:00.950 ⇒ 00:35:03.720 Uttam Kumaran: So I think, like, no question.
447 00:35:04.310 ⇒ 00:35:05.040 Pranav Narahari: Yeah.
448 00:35:05.340 ⇒ 00:35:10.820 Uttam Kumaran: I think no question, we’re seeing the payoff.
449 00:35:11.110 ⇒ 00:35:17.280 Uttam Kumaran: But, like, again, it was a step in the direction we were already taking. I was already finding ways to, like.
450 00:35:17.730 ⇒ 00:35:25.870 Uttam Kumaran: I have a… just a… I have a, like, I have a… what’s it called? Like…
451 00:35:26.960 ⇒ 00:35:46.889 Uttam Kumaran: I have an allergy just to, like, process and meetings for, like, no reason. And I was a product manager for a long time, and I knew how much of that job I had to do the way I did it, because it’s the way it’s always been done, and, like, that last phrase, like, I could not be more apart from. Like, it’s always been done a certain way. Like, I have no interest in that.
452 00:35:47.500 ⇒ 00:35:50.930 Uttam Kumaran: And so I always was trying to…
453 00:35:51.180 ⇒ 00:36:04.190 Uttam Kumaran: empower engineers to get directly in front of clients and deliver work. This was a step in that direction. Every step I’ve taken in that direction has paid off, because then if you say, every step I took in the direction of the past led me to this one.
454 00:36:04.740 ⇒ 00:36:07.429 Uttam Kumaran: then, yeah, it’s great, right? So…
455 00:36:07.730 ⇒ 00:36:10.650 Uttam Kumaran: Payoff really depends on the timeline you’re looking at.
456 00:36:10.870 ⇒ 00:36:19.119 Uttam Kumaran: this is where, again, like, a CFO will look at it differently than, like, I may look at it, versus, like, someone who’s looking at our delivery margins, or…
457 00:36:19.310 ⇒ 00:36:26.610 Uttam Kumaran: client health. But this helps us stand out on the recruiting side, this helps us stand out,
458 00:36:27.590 ⇒ 00:36:33.590 Uttam Kumaran: On the internal retention side, I think this helps us stand out for clients, because…
459 00:36:34.440 ⇒ 00:36:42.290 Uttam Kumaran: when people talk… when I tell people about this model, they’re like, how do you have people that are doing engineering work that can also talk to clients? I said, like.
460 00:36:42.490 ⇒ 00:36:45.530 Uttam Kumaran: how do you not have those types of people? Like, what…
461 00:36:45.920 ⇒ 00:36:48.750 Uttam Kumaran: Like, that’s, like, sounds like a cultural problem.
462 00:36:49.020 ⇒ 00:36:52.759 Pranav Narahari: And I said, that’s why we’re great, like, that’s our people, you know? And so…
463 00:36:53.620 ⇒ 00:36:57.470 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah.
464 00:36:58.290 ⇒ 00:37:01.499 Uttam Kumaran: I don’t know, that’s sort of, like, how I think about that.
465 00:37:02.630 ⇒ 00:37:03.240 Pranav Narahari: No.
466 00:37:03.240 ⇒ 00:37:06.150 Clarence Stone: Tom has a hard task, because I’m…
467 00:37:06.270 ⇒ 00:37:13.739 Clarence Stone: like a wrecking ball sometimes with transformation. And I’m just like… Building all sorts of shit.
468 00:37:15.200 ⇒ 00:37:19.020 Uttam Kumaran: No, I don’t mind. I also think, like, healthy tension is good, I just, like…
469 00:37:19.350 ⇒ 00:37:24.649 Uttam Kumaran: In my business life, healthy tension… people always say healthy tension, and then it gets, like, real tension.
470 00:37:24.880 ⇒ 00:37:27.789 Uttam Kumaran: So, I’m always cautious, meaning…
471 00:37:27.930 ⇒ 00:37:41.560 Uttam Kumaran: you guys know I’m very critical, but I’m very cautious to be like, we’re… we’re attacking, like, a problem. Like, I hate that fucking problem. You know? I real… but in business, it’s not often like that. It is emotional, it’s all people, and so…
472 00:37:41.610 ⇒ 00:37:52.289 Uttam Kumaran: when you can elevate yourself above a problem, and really work with someone who’s like, I truly am here to also destroy this problem, it’s… it’s the greatest.
473 00:37:52.290 ⇒ 00:38:01.870 Uttam Kumaran: And you have no… there’s such a trust layer where you’re like, I know that the things you’re saying are not about me, but if you work in a fear-based or trustless environment.
474 00:38:01.900 ⇒ 00:38:06.740 Uttam Kumaran: You oftentimes will go back and think, like, is this person, like, just, like, don’t fuck with me? Or, like…
475 00:38:07.000 ⇒ 00:38:11.089 Uttam Kumaran: And that’s… I feel like we’ve done a really good job here. Nobody in this crew
476 00:38:11.330 ⇒ 00:38:14.419 Uttam Kumaran: feels that way, and I could feel that, but…
477 00:38:15.550 ⇒ 00:38:21.789 Uttam Kumaran: there’s… there’s tense decisions, and you don’t… I don’t always have all this fidelity on, like, what the right mincer is.
478 00:38:21.930 ⇒ 00:38:29.079 Uttam Kumaran: So, it’s helpful for how people push you in different ways, and then ultimately to decide what’s best.
479 00:38:31.360 ⇒ 00:38:35.710 Clarence Stone: Yeah, I think an important behavior is…
480 00:38:36.140 ⇒ 00:38:41.010 Clarence Stone: having a lot of ideas, being supportive, but not having any tombstones, like…
481 00:38:41.170 ⇒ 00:38:43.600 Clarence Stone: I’ll throw a lot of stuff at the wall, but I…
482 00:38:44.500 ⇒ 00:38:54.950 Clarence Stone: there’s very few things I will be annoyed and hold my, you know, stance on. I’m very moldable. It’s just an opinion in most ways. Like…
483 00:38:56.120 ⇒ 00:38:56.970 Clarence Stone: Yeah.
484 00:38:59.800 ⇒ 00:39:06.379 Clarence Stone: I mean, it gets rough when people are like, no, this is my stance, I’m holding to it, and then it’s just… those are.
485 00:39:06.380 ⇒ 00:39:08.080 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, so I don’t have anything like that.
486 00:39:08.080 ⇒ 00:39:08.880 Clarence Stone: Yeah, like, I…
487 00:39:08.880 ⇒ 00:39:09.689 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, I’m…
488 00:39:09.690 ⇒ 00:39:10.060 Clarence Stone: there’s…
489 00:39:10.060 ⇒ 00:39:13.599 Uttam Kumaran: I just want to win with this crew at whatever we do, yeah.
490 00:39:13.600 ⇒ 00:39:16.320 Clarence Stone: It’s all at once, and it’s our people.
491 00:39:16.430 ⇒ 00:39:17.130 Clarence Stone: That was…
492 00:39:17.130 ⇒ 00:39:18.290 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah.
493 00:39:18.650 ⇒ 00:39:28.640 Clarence Stone: Like, I have very few pet peeves, but, like, the way we treat each other, the way we work together is so important, like, culture is so important, and we need to respect that.
494 00:39:34.340 ⇒ 00:39:38.050 Clarence Stone: I owe you a design library, I’m working on it.
495 00:39:48.850 ⇒ 00:39:50.920 Uttam Kumaran: Bernard, are you trying out any of the skills?
496 00:39:51.950 ⇒ 00:39:53.680 Pranav Narahari: Yeah, I’m using Friday this week.
497 00:39:54.290 ⇒ 00:39:55.479 Pranav Narahari: Oh, really? Sick.
498 00:39:55.930 ⇒ 00:40:00.530 Pranav Narahari: Yeah, the… oh, skills specifically? Let me think which one.
499 00:40:00.530 ⇒ 00:40:01.560 Uttam Kumaran: Or whatever.
500 00:40:01.860 ⇒ 00:40:07.339 Pranav Narahari: Yeah, I’ve been… Hughes and cursor so much this week. Like, today, I went through, like.
501 00:40:07.600 ⇒ 00:40:11.489 Pranav Narahari: to, like, hit the context limit, like, twice.
502 00:40:11.490 ⇒ 00:40:14.140 Uttam Kumaran: Oh, really? I don’t think I’ve ever hit the context limit.
503 00:40:14.710 ⇒ 00:40:17.060 Uttam Kumaran: But I… I’ve hit the money limit.
504 00:40:17.370 ⇒ 00:40:18.849 Uttam Kumaran: I holy every day.
505 00:40:18.850 ⇒ 00:40:23.759 Clarence Stone: Also, mine still says increase limits for fast responses.
506 00:40:23.760 ⇒ 00:40:25.919 Uttam Kumaran: Oh, really? I feel like if you…
507 00:40:25.920 ⇒ 00:40:26.390 Demilade Agboola: I hate that.
508 00:40:26.390 ⇒ 00:40:28.369 Clarence Stone: It’s been this way since Monday.
509 00:40:28.370 ⇒ 00:40:36.320 Uttam Kumaran: Wait, I keep adding, like, $100. I keep topping up, but it’s… I’ve also… I’m… I’m abusing it the most.
510 00:40:36.320 ⇒ 00:40:37.039 Clarence Stone: Yeah, it’s interesting.
511 00:40:37.040 ⇒ 00:40:39.819 Uttam Kumaran: Fortunately, they… They don’t let you, like…
512 00:40:40.470 ⇒ 00:40:44.749 Uttam Kumaran: I wish, like, they don’t let you do individual limits, so I have to just increase the team, but then…
513 00:40:45.400 ⇒ 00:40:49.470 Clarence Stone: I’m, like… because my thing is, like, I have to see how, like…
514 00:40:49.550 ⇒ 00:40:51.330 Uttam Kumaran: I was working on skills, like.
515 00:40:51.440 ⇒ 00:40:54.530 Uttam Kumaran: 5 weeks ago, and, like, I had to try all these things.
516 00:40:54.800 ⇒ 00:40:58.159 Uttam Kumaran: In order to teach people and, like, set the foundation, and so…
517 00:40:58.260 ⇒ 00:41:00.059 Uttam Kumaran: I think we’re gonna move to, like.
518 00:41:00.270 ⇒ 00:41:10.689 Uttam Kumaran: like, once Clarence is working on this open work thing, we’re gonna move to somewhere where I can start putting in… so we have some agar credits that we can spend, and like, this shouldn’t be a longer-term problem.
519 00:41:11.960 ⇒ 00:41:16.570 Uttam Kumaran: But, yeah, I’m using a lot of it, so I just keep telling you, I’m just…
520 00:41:16.570 ⇒ 00:41:18.470 Clarence Stone: You’ve got to be number one still.
521 00:41:18.990 ⇒ 00:41:21.699 Clarence Stone: Like, you’re probably ripping a billion every week.
522 00:41:22.630 ⇒ 00:41:26.909 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, I’m running, like… I mean, I think this week has been…
523 00:41:27.420 ⇒ 00:41:34.250 Clarence Stone: Liner. My agents… take on different APIs, so… Like, I’m.
524 00:41:34.250 ⇒ 00:41:35.769 Pranav Narahari: Is there a leaderboard on this?
525 00:41:36.320 ⇒ 00:41:37.040 Clarence Stone: What’s that?
526 00:41:37.040 ⇒ 00:41:38.229 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, there is.
527 00:41:38.230 ⇒ 00:41:39.570 Clarence Stone: Oh yeah, there is a report.
528 00:41:39.570 ⇒ 00:41:43.719 Uttam Kumaran: We’re gonna be presenting on… on fri… on every other Friday with the leaderboard.
529 00:41:43.720 ⇒ 00:41:44.199 Clarence Stone: I love it.
530 00:41:44.200 ⇒ 00:41:45.280 Pranav Narahari: Okay, cool.
531 00:41:46.710 ⇒ 00:41:48.919 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, but I’ll show you, I think.
532 00:41:51.660 ⇒ 00:41:53.810 Clarence Stone: Who built that? Was it Bea, or was it you?
533 00:41:53.810 ⇒ 00:41:56.970 Uttam Kumaran: No, B… B built up, I did the initial…
534 00:41:57.670 ⇒ 00:42:01.350 Uttam Kumaran: I didn’t like the initial, like, I wanna see this thing.
535 00:42:03.910 ⇒ 00:42:08.660 Uttam Kumaran: yeah, here, I’ll show you guys. This is, like… I took the feedback.
536 00:42:09.210 ⇒ 00:42:10.540 Uttam Kumaran: Huh? You’re gonna use what?
537 00:42:10.770 ⇒ 00:42:12.660 Clarence Stone: I use Auto more now.
538 00:42:13.060 ⇒ 00:42:14.369 Uttam Kumaran: Good, it’s pretty good.
539 00:42:14.640 ⇒ 00:42:16.330 Clarence Stone: It’s actually really good.
540 00:42:16.880 ⇒ 00:42:19.560 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, I mean, it’s as good… it’s as good as, like, Kimmy.
541 00:42:19.810 ⇒ 00:42:27.209 Uttam Kumaran: But, like, sometimes it just… it’s just… it’s so stupid, so you just have to switch. The problem is you forget to switch back, like, I’m an idiot.
542 00:42:27.610 ⇒ 00:42:32.149 Clarence Stone: I take Gemini context window, like, 4 times.
543 00:42:32.150 ⇒ 00:42:33.110 Uttam Kumaran: Oh, really?
544 00:42:33.110 ⇒ 00:42:34.789 Clarence Stone: Yeah, it was… it was bad.
545 00:42:34.930 ⇒ 00:42:41.789 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, so this is good, like, this is new, actually. Like, you can see, like, who’s invoking what skill. Oh, this is great!
546 00:42:42.490 ⇒ 00:42:47.910 Uttam Kumaran: Yo, people are using these, and, like, I just gotta… I wish I could filter out B… being me, but, like…
547 00:42:48.050 ⇒ 00:42:48.980 Clarence Stone: Yo, homies are gonna…
548 00:42:48.980 ⇒ 00:42:49.370 Uttam Kumaran: sick.
549 00:42:49.370 ⇒ 00:42:52.969 Clarence Stone: Selling those skills, by the way. Did you see that? They’re gonna do a skill marketplace.
550 00:42:54.710 ⇒ 00:42:59.169 Uttam Kumaran: It’s so stupid. Just, yeah, I mean, fine.
551 00:42:59.170 ⇒ 00:43:00.940 Clarence Stone: Mummies, man!
552 00:43:01.710 ⇒ 00:43:03.620 Uttam Kumaran: Half the skills I’m stealing…
553 00:43:04.220 ⇒ 00:43:05.360 Clarence Stone: Yeah, I mean…
554 00:43:10.310 ⇒ 00:43:12.519 Clarence Stone: I’m still third? Man.
555 00:43:14.670 ⇒ 00:43:19.559 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, cause, dude, me and Bea are basically on cursor from the moment I wake up.
556 00:43:20.650 ⇒ 00:43:24.289 Uttam Kumaran: The moment I go to bed, I trigger, like, 5 agents and go to sleep.
557 00:43:24.840 ⇒ 00:43:29.630 Clarence Stone: I… I… I felt really bad when I hit that context on… Monday.
558 00:43:29.630 ⇒ 00:43:38.999 Uttam Kumaran: I knew I accidentally triggered, like, too many things at the same time, because I was, yeah, I was doing too many things at the same time.
559 00:43:39.570 ⇒ 00:43:45.929 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, and this one was actually, like, I did a big restructuring of the repo.
560 00:43:47.740 ⇒ 00:43:49.730 Uttam Kumaran: So, it went really crazy.
561 00:43:50.480 ⇒ 00:43:53.670 Uttam Kumaran: And then there’s, like, tokens somewhere.
562 00:43:56.100 ⇒ 00:43:57.579 Clarence Stone: The token one’s insane.
563 00:43:58.590 ⇒ 00:44:00.050 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, we are spending a lot.
564 00:44:04.370 ⇒ 00:44:10.960 Uttam Kumaran: Oh, and if you guys… if anyone wants Gemini, I have a free… I have Gemini keys. I would… someone needs me to run through that.
565 00:44:11.270 ⇒ 00:44:19.929 Clarence Stone: I too have the Gemini keys, and they are very good. I highly recommend you guys try them out. Flash, with tool calling is, like.
566 00:44:20.200 ⇒ 00:44:22.339 Clarence Stone: Precise. It is really good.
567 00:44:26.080 ⇒ 00:44:39.169 Pranav Narahari: For, Eden, like, I’ve been working with Robert, and… no, this is actually not the same one me and you were about to work on, Clarence, but that, like, command center? Utam, have you already, like, seen that?
568 00:44:44.170 ⇒ 00:44:57.210 Uttam Kumaran: the command center? No, I mean, I’ve been… I actually have not seen it, although I’m pumped that Robert knows enough about AI, and you’re involved. I haven’t read it at all, though.
569 00:44:57.630 ⇒ 00:44:58.979 Pranav Narahari: Yeah, I mean, he just pulled.
570 00:44:58.980 ⇒ 00:45:02.040 Uttam Kumaran: I mean, you should, you should, you should loop Clarence in, because, yeah.
571 00:45:03.040 ⇒ 00:45:07.190 Pranav Narahari: Oh, yeah, yeah, definitely. But yeah, basically…
572 00:45:07.340 ⇒ 00:45:14.919 Pranav Narahari: maybe the Gemini thing will come into handy there, because they have… they use Gemini, and so Danny over there is, like.
573 00:45:15.010 ⇒ 00:45:34.300 Pranav Narahari: he’s, like, a power user of just kind of, like, making updates to, like, Google Workspace within Gemini. So he already has, like, the MCP, like, integrated into there, and now they want to also get, like, other company information. So, like, where, like, for Slack, for Zendesk,
574 00:45:34.430 ⇒ 00:45:37.630 Pranav Narahari: There’s, like, one other integration that they’re looking forward to, so it’s like…
575 00:45:39.060 ⇒ 00:45:48.029 Pranav Narahari: they were talk… he was… Danny was talking initially about just, like, having, like, the MCP server just, like, connected within Gemini, but at some point, like, this should operate, like.
576 00:45:48.150 ⇒ 00:45:56.420 Pranav Narahari: for, like, company-wide, like, Slack channels, and, like, messages in every single communication, and then kind of just, like, synthesize, like.
577 00:45:56.580 ⇒ 00:46:10.789 Pranav Narahari: what are the trends that we’re seeing right now in terms of, like, the deliverables and, like, the… I guess, the friction, like, that we can, like, assess via, like, emails, via Slack messages,
578 00:46:11.280 ⇒ 00:46:19.849 Pranav Narahari: So basically, like, there’s gonna be, like, some cool work there to, like, figure out. But yeah, when you said Gemini, I was like, yeah, they’re using Gemini a lot.
579 00:46:21.270 ⇒ 00:46:21.910 Uttam Kumaran: Nice.
580 00:46:21.910 ⇒ 00:46:23.130 Pranav Narahari: Yeah.
581 00:46:23.130 ⇒ 00:46:26.710 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, I think model-wise, it’s converging, but for the people that are on Google.
582 00:46:27.370 ⇒ 00:46:29.440 Uttam Kumaran: It’s worth it, it’s pretty good, and it’s like…
583 00:46:30.400 ⇒ 00:46:33.929 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, it’s just as good as the rest of them. I think, like, it…
584 00:46:34.680 ⇒ 00:46:41.610 Uttam Kumaran: I mean, I think, like, it’s slower, And the rate limits are… smaller, but…
585 00:46:41.610 ⇒ 00:46:42.210 Pranav Narahari: Yeah.
586 00:46:43.600 ⇒ 00:46:47.450 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, I think I got, like, 2,000 free for, like, Google for startups, and…
587 00:46:48.850 ⇒ 00:46:51.860 Uttam Kumaran: I mean, you can just throw it into your cursor and use it if you want.
588 00:46:52.100 ⇒ 00:46:53.280 Uttam Kumaran: It’s okay.
589 00:46:54.980 ⇒ 00:47:00.859 Clarence Stone: You like it? I love it. I think it’s one of the best models. It’s top 3 for me.
590 00:47:02.440 ⇒ 00:47:05.920 Uttam Kumaran: I don’t know what kind of baby work you’re doing, but it’s not working for me.
591 00:47:05.920 ⇒ 00:47:08.759 Clarence Stone: It’s one of the best design agents.
592 00:47:08.760 ⇒ 00:47:12.700 Uttam Kumaran: For design, I agree. That’s why I’m asking you to give me some stuff to design.
593 00:47:12.700 ⇒ 00:47:14.140 Clarence Stone: I’m working on it!
594 00:47:14.140 ⇒ 00:47:18.430 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, I want to learn how to AI design, that’s my next course I’m taking.
595 00:47:18.940 ⇒ 00:47:19.520 Clarence Stone: Right.
596 00:47:19.520 ⇒ 00:47:20.610 Uttam Kumaran: Anytime.
597 00:47:20.610 ⇒ 00:47:22.670 Clarence Stone: Like, you guys should see this, actually.
598 00:47:23.310 ⇒ 00:47:26.780 Clarence Stone: Here we go. I’m designing in cursor. What, what?
599 00:47:31.810 ⇒ 00:47:32.570 Uttam Kumaran: Stack.
600 00:47:33.100 ⇒ 00:47:33.830 Clarence Stone: Yeah.
601 00:47:33.960 ⇒ 00:47:34.570 Pranav Narahari: L.
602 00:47:43.020 ⇒ 00:47:46.240 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, if you guys throw this into your cursor…
603 00:47:47.070 ⇒ 00:47:50.010 Uttam Kumaran: And you can… you can use some of the Google models.
604 00:47:53.270 ⇒ 00:47:54.330 Uttam Kumaran: Pretty good.
605 00:47:54.650 ⇒ 00:47:56.640 Uttam Kumaran: Cursor settings under models.
606 00:47:57.850 ⇒ 00:47:58.670 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah.
607 00:48:20.450 ⇒ 00:48:24.540 Pranav Narahari: It says, with your Cursor Enterprise subscription, you do not need to use your own Google key.
608 00:48:25.100 ⇒ 00:48:27.420 Clarence Stone: Yeah, because they want your money. No, no, no.
609 00:48:27.420 ⇒ 00:48:28.139 Pranav Narahari: We do need to…
610 00:48:28.140 ⇒ 00:48:29.310 Uttam Kumaran: We do need to.
611 00:48:29.340 ⇒ 00:48:29.910 Pranav Narahari: Yeah.
612 00:48:29.910 ⇒ 00:48:30.860 Uttam Kumaran: I do need to.
613 00:48:31.740 ⇒ 00:48:34.549 Uttam Kumaran: They have all these weird things in the settings that I’m like.
614 00:48:35.200 ⇒ 00:48:38.460 Uttam Kumaran: Stop! Like, let me use my keys!
615 00:48:39.760 ⇒ 00:48:42.330 Uttam Kumaran: Because they basically are, like, it’s like,
616 00:48:42.850 ⇒ 00:48:44.930 Uttam Kumaran: It’s like the gas station, like.
617 00:48:45.130 ⇒ 00:48:52.929 Uttam Kumaran: Shell, like, the Valero didn’t make the gas, you know? They’re just, like, giving it to you, and they’re like, we need to make money, I guess, for this.
618 00:48:53.530 ⇒ 00:48:54.700 Uttam Kumaran: Thing we did.
619 00:48:55.530 ⇒ 00:48:56.350 Pranav Narahari: Yeah.
620 00:49:11.890 ⇒ 00:49:18.460 Pranav Narahari: Oh, for D&G, too. Yes, we had that call with them yesterday.
621 00:49:19.690 ⇒ 00:49:23.890 Pranav Narahari: do you, like… I guess this is all kind of, like, new to me, like…
622 00:49:24.880 ⇒ 00:49:36.710 Pranav Narahari: I’m guessing just, like, from, like, and when I saw your message, too, I was like, oh, do you think this is gonna be something that, like, actually ends up closing, or is it, like, really, like, up in the air? Like, based on, like, what you, like, heard about them?
623 00:49:37.210 ⇒ 00:49:40.419 Uttam Kumaran: I mean, I honestly didn’t… Robert texted me saying.
624 00:49:41.180 ⇒ 00:49:47.000 Uttam Kumaran: Like, it went okay, it’s not the right time, but maybe in 2 months? That’s pretty good.
625 00:49:47.000 ⇒ 00:49:47.550 Pranav Narahari: Oh, okay.
626 00:49:48.660 ⇒ 00:49:53.720 Uttam Kumaran: Dude, deals take a fucking long time, so as long as you’re still on the hook, there’s still a shot.
627 00:49:54.050 ⇒ 00:49:54.450 Pranav Narahari: Yeah.
628 00:49:54.450 ⇒ 00:49:57.700 Uttam Kumaran: The worst thing that could have happened is they said no, and, like, we don’t get it.
629 00:49:57.810 ⇒ 00:50:03.799 Uttam Kumaran: And, like, see a… they said, we get it, let me… let’s go talk internally, is that kind of what they said?
630 00:50:04.580 ⇒ 00:50:08.049 Pranav Narahari: They were just like, yeah, we just can’t… we can’t be the…
631 00:50:08.320 ⇒ 00:50:15.190 Pranav Narahari: There’s, like, we’re working on this, like, project right now that’s taking up our entire, like, bandwidth, like…
632 00:50:15.630 ⇒ 00:50:16.320 Uttam Kumaran: Okay, sick.
633 00:50:16.320 ⇒ 00:50:17.789 Pranav Narahari: Like, week and a half. Yeah.
634 00:50:17.790 ⇒ 00:50:20.160 Uttam Kumaran: Alright, yeah, dude, that’s great.
635 00:50:20.160 ⇒ 00:50:20.810 Pranav Narahari: Yeah.
636 00:50:20.970 ⇒ 00:50:26.199 Uttam Kumaran: Because now you’re in their brain, and what happens is, like, you need to spread, like, a disease.
637 00:50:26.260 ⇒ 00:50:44.770 Uttam Kumaran: the next time someone talks about AI, you’re like, yeah, we talked to the Brainforge guys, like, here’s the… here’s the proposal, and, like, here’s the meeting notes, and they’re like, oh yeah, this is exactly, like, what we need. Why didn’t we do this? Like, that’s what happened. So part of the game is, like, just getting in as many people’s brains as possible, and, like, making a great impression.
638 00:50:45.240 ⇒ 00:50:50.800 Uttam Kumaran: Because you just never know, like, someone will leave D&G, go somewhere else, call us back, they will call us back.
639 00:50:50.940 ⇒ 00:50:55.789 Uttam Kumaran: the fact that you guys got that… I was serious, the fact that you guys got that far that fast is really, really…
640 00:50:56.180 ⇒ 00:51:12.919 Uttam Kumaran: impressive, and it’s not a… it’s not a loss. It’s like… it’s not… like, a deal, ultimately, this is just, like, this, like, sales douche things that I learned, but the deal is, like, never dead, really. There’s always a way back in. It’s just kind of, like, how pathetic, and, like, how much you want to beg.
641 00:51:13.120 ⇒ 00:51:14.920 Pranav Narahari: So some people have different limits.
642 00:51:14.950 ⇒ 00:51:20.060 Uttam Kumaran: But the ultimate thing that you can do, which is what I told Luke, is like, dude, you have these people on the hook?
643 00:51:20.220 ⇒ 00:51:37.539 Uttam Kumaran: the moment you have some momentum, you need to just drive. And so, things that matter is time to SOW, time to first, second meeting, like, those things matter, and that was one of the first things that we automated last year, which is, like, get SOWs out faster.
644 00:51:37.540 ⇒ 00:51:42.239 Uttam Kumaran: And it was the first sign where I was like, oh my god, SOWs typically took a week.
645 00:51:42.400 ⇒ 00:51:59.909 Uttam Kumaran: And for a small company like ours, and, like, me and Robert are, like, debating, and we’re busy, it could take 2 weeks, and we lost deals because of that, or we forgot. And now, like, dude, that’s, like, you may be like, what in the world you guys were spending, like, more than 9 seconds on writing an SOW?
646 00:51:59.930 ⇒ 00:52:08.280 Uttam Kumaran: Yes! And most companies are spending weeks doing that, when now we’re, like, coming to the table with so much.
647 00:52:08.460 ⇒ 00:52:16.759 Uttam Kumaran: there are deals where, dude, we generate the SOW, like, 90 seconds before the call, because we’re just so busy, and we sold it. And so…
648 00:52:16.800 ⇒ 00:52:33.220 Uttam Kumaran: ultimately, it’s like, sales is all about momentum, so as many pieces we can help chip off for you to just keep the muscle going. And you guys not only got a demo out on SOW, 2 or 3 meetings, and a pricing call in, like, 2-3 weeks, like, that’s, like, a lot.
649 00:52:33.280 ⇒ 00:52:36.940 Pranav Narahari: You know, it’s very rare that, like, salespeople are on the…
650 00:52:37.200 ⇒ 00:52:39.580 Uttam Kumaran: Are the ones driving the thing forward.
651 00:52:39.760 ⇒ 00:52:44.209 Uttam Kumaran: A lot of times, the… It could be the client or nobody, you know?
652 00:52:46.400 ⇒ 00:52:55.640 Pranav Narahari: Yeah, I mean, we generate… so, Luke generated one SOW, and then we’re like, oh, with their budget, like, they might… I was just thinking, like, okay, they might say X, Y, or Z, like…
653 00:52:55.790 ⇒ 00:53:00.549 Pranav Narahari: let’s just generate 3 more SOWs, just to have in our back pocket.
654 00:53:00.550 ⇒ 00:53:01.400 Uttam Kumaran: Yes.
655 00:53:01.400 ⇒ 00:53:03.770 Pranav Narahari: And it was just like… Yeah.
656 00:53:03.770 ⇒ 00:53:04.630 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah!
657 00:53:05.810 ⇒ 00:53:06.690 Uttam Kumaran: Sick.
658 00:53:07.000 ⇒ 00:53:07.610 Pranav Narahari: Yeah.
659 00:53:08.760 ⇒ 00:53:14.469 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, I had a cursor thing go off and work on something. Let me see, maybe it’s done.
660 00:53:15.650 ⇒ 00:53:20.580 Uttam Kumaran: But see, this is, like, sort of, like, the way I’m working now, is I have, like, a rack idea.
661 00:53:20.810 ⇒ 00:53:23.440 Uttam Kumaran: So I was reading a tweet about,
662 00:53:24.480 ⇒ 00:53:33.570 Uttam Kumaran: Amplitude, the company worked on, like, this skill called Discover Opportunities, where basically it looks through your Amplitude product analytics and finds opportunities, like.
663 00:53:33.950 ⇒ 00:53:35.410 Uttam Kumaran: improve funnels.
664 00:53:35.590 ⇒ 00:53:38.180 Uttam Kumaran: I was like, yo, that’s… that’s, like, cute, but, like…
665 00:53:38.750 ⇒ 00:53:43.989 Uttam Kumaran: I like the concept of discover opportunities. Let’s go make a skill that’s, like.
666 00:53:44.870 ⇒ 00:53:50.059 Uttam Kumaran: Discover client opportunities, discover ways to improve relationships.
667 00:53:50.510 ⇒ 00:53:54.780 Uttam Kumaran: And I, like, gave it to the cursor, and…
668 00:53:56.240 ⇒ 00:53:58.800 Uttam Kumaran: Let’s see, maybe it’s, like, finished something.
669 00:54:00.420 ⇒ 00:54:08.069 Uttam Kumaran: I reviewed both your local skills and amplitude skills, best in media leverage, meeting prep, Slack Superbase.
670 00:54:13.730 ⇒ 00:54:14.890 Uttam Kumaran: Okay, yeah.
671 00:54:18.930 ⇒ 00:54:20.540 Uttam Kumaran: Alright, it’s decent.
672 00:54:24.880 ⇒ 00:54:26.529 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, this is good.
673 00:54:28.360 ⇒ 00:54:33.150 Uttam Kumaran: So this is one where, like, it’s an idea, I just want someone to go, like, do some research on.
674 00:54:33.520 ⇒ 00:54:36.320 Uttam Kumaran: And come back to me, like, with, like, some more, like.
675 00:54:36.590 ⇒ 00:54:41.499 Uttam Kumaran: things where then I can say, okay, maybe this is worth it, or I ditch it, you know?
676 00:54:41.870 ⇒ 00:54:46.539 Uttam Kumaran: I mean, unfortunately, it worked for 5 minutes, like, what is it doing for 5 minutes? But, like…
677 00:54:46.680 ⇒ 00:54:47.720 Uttam Kumaran: So be it.
678 00:54:47.820 ⇒ 00:54:55.459 Uttam Kumaran: it’s still something that, like, it would have taken me maybe 2-3 minutes to do, and I could just be like, go look at this thing that I thought about, you know?
679 00:54:55.640 ⇒ 00:54:57.500 Pranav Narahari: So I’m doing a lot of this, too.
680 00:55:03.260 ⇒ 00:55:07.249 Uttam Kumaran: Like, another example of something I just did is I’m working on,
681 00:55:09.620 ⇒ 00:55:15.380 Uttam Kumaran: I’m working on this thing for CTA, like, trying to set up stuff like Cortex.
682 00:55:15.720 ⇒ 00:55:23.219 Uttam Kumaran: And I wrote this plan, like, a month ago before we had this Document Council command. Basically, what Document Council does
683 00:55:23.570 ⇒ 00:55:27.009 Uttam Kumaran: Is it… it spawns, like, 5 agents?
684 00:55:27.150 ⇒ 00:55:29.759 Uttam Kumaran: It decides on, like, the personas.
685 00:55:30.300 ⇒ 00:55:38.580 Uttam Kumaran: It decides on, like, what personas are relevant, to, like, Review a document.
686 00:55:38.720 ⇒ 00:55:43.709 Uttam Kumaran: And then it, like, tells all of them to review the document, and then it comes back and is like.
687 00:55:44.960 ⇒ 00:55:55.029 Uttam Kumaran: For example, based on this, it came up with delivery lead, ops, implementer, and stakeholder. And so the stakeholder was like, cool, the doc is clear, the implementer said, like, you missed something.
688 00:55:55.360 ⇒ 00:56:01.880 Uttam Kumaran: Ops said you missed something, and the delivery lead said, March QA readiness wasn’t explicit.
689 00:56:02.220 ⇒ 00:56:05.530 Uttam Kumaran: But basically, I said, run the Document Council.
690 00:56:05.730 ⇒ 00:56:11.669 Uttam Kumaran: Then propose more tickets, and also look at the transcripts recently, because, like, some things may have changed.
691 00:56:12.280 ⇒ 00:56:15.689 Uttam Kumaran: So basically, like, run a fat, like, revise, you know?
692 00:56:17.150 ⇒ 00:56:21.959 Uttam Kumaran: And… yeah, like, it clearly said, like, there’s some stuff I need to change, and…
693 00:56:22.250 ⇒ 00:56:25.830 Uttam Kumaran: Which is great, because, like, we’ve taught… we’ve changed… the plan has changed slightly.
694 00:56:26.100 ⇒ 00:56:29.390 Uttam Kumaran: So, this is, like, one way I’m using this.
695 00:56:31.040 ⇒ 00:56:34.239 Pranav Narahari: One thing with, like, transcripts that I was noticing…
696 00:56:34.480 ⇒ 00:56:44.190 Pranav Narahari: I think last night when I was, because Robert wasn’t able to join the Eden, like, Danny, or when I was talking to Danny about, like, the new Eden.
697 00:56:45.070 ⇒ 00:56:47.409 Pranav Narahari: SOW, and so…
698 00:56:47.830 ⇒ 00:56:58.549 Pranav Narahari: yeah, at the end of the day, I just messaged Robert to kind of, like, give him, like, an update, and so, like, I pulled the transcript so I can make sure, like, okay, I got all the details right. And I was noticing, like, though, in, like, the transcript, like.
699 00:56:58.840 ⇒ 00:57:08.290 Pranav Narahari: certain things that I was saying, and maybe just, like, me and Danny talk similarly. It’s, like, certain things that I was saying, like, it was saying that Danny was saying, and so I was just like, damn, does this, like…
700 00:57:08.860 ⇒ 00:57:09.790 Uttam Kumaran: Oh, really?
701 00:57:10.020 ⇒ 00:57:10.900 Pranav Narahari: Yeah.
702 00:57:12.560 ⇒ 00:57:15.549 Pranav Narahari: And we can, like, I can show you that, like, specifically.
703 00:57:15.550 ⇒ 00:57:19.510 Uttam Kumaran: Can you… can you, like, send it into the platform channel? Like, that transcript?
704 00:57:19.510 ⇒ 00:57:22.500 Clarence Stone: Yeah, and it pours people wrong sometimes.
705 00:57:23.770 ⇒ 00:57:28.339 Uttam Kumaran: No, but, like, if it’s that bad, then there’s a couple other things I can do.
706 00:57:28.990 ⇒ 00:57:33.720 Uttam Kumaran: So I have the audio and the video. Also, it just, we just don’t use it right now.
707 00:57:34.710 ⇒ 00:57:40.750 Uttam Kumaran: Someone will come up with an idea on how to use hundreds and thousands of hours of me talking for something useful.
708 00:57:40.930 ⇒ 00:57:44.070 Uttam Kumaran: But we’ve… it’s all in S3 sitting.
709 00:57:44.440 ⇒ 00:57:52.629 Uttam Kumaran: So, there’s ways for me to improve the fidelity if, like, it’s actually, like, pretty shit. But it’s all stuff we get from… we rely on Zoom for the diarization, so…
710 00:57:53.420 ⇒ 00:57:58.210 Uttam Kumaran: I’m surprised that it would… Mess that up.
711 00:57:59.190 ⇒ 00:57:59.990 Pranav Narahari: Yeah.
712 00:58:00.170 ⇒ 00:58:01.799 Uttam Kumaran: But I can look at it.
713 00:58:02.800 ⇒ 00:58:06.509 Clarence Stone: We make UTAM Council with all that. That’s what we do.
714 00:58:07.550 ⇒ 00:58:11.740 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, I was basically… someone should try to just make a Zoom version of me, and then…
715 00:58:12.210 ⇒ 00:58:16.370 Uttam Kumaran: I can accomplish my true dream, which is two meetings at a time.
716 00:58:18.060 ⇒ 00:58:21.369 Clarence Stone: It’s just gonna be that Iron Man scene all over again.
717 00:58:21.760 ⇒ 00:58:26.339 Uttam Kumaran: I wish I could detach these and, like, have one in one meeting and one in another meeting.
718 00:58:27.170 ⇒ 00:58:28.819 Uttam Kumaran: That would be so nice.
719 00:58:28.820 ⇒ 00:58:30.589 Clarence Stone: I have another call, gents.
720 00:58:30.590 ⇒ 00:58:32.219 Uttam Kumaran: Me too, me too.
721 00:58:34.630 ⇒ 00:58:35.810 Uttam Kumaran: Okay, thank you, guys.
722 00:58:35.810 ⇒ 00:58:36.360 Pranav Narahari: Yeah, that’s fine.
723 00:58:36.360 ⇒ 00:58:36.740 Clarence Stone: Dude.
724 00:58:36.740 ⇒ 00:58:38.000 Demilade Agboola: Gotcha, okay.
725 00:58:38.000 ⇒ 00:58:38.330 Uttam Kumaran: Bye.