Meeting Title: Brainforge x Naus Research Project Sync Date: 2026-03-11 Meeting participants: Clarence Stone, Brylle Girang
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1 00:00:31.730 ⇒ 00:00:33.980 Brylle Girang: Hey! What’s up?
2 00:00:34.940 ⇒ 00:00:37.029 Clarence Stone: Did you get that random email earlier?
3 00:00:37.480 ⇒ 00:00:38.070 Brylle Girang: Oh.
4 00:00:38.740 ⇒ 00:00:40.030 Brylle Girang: Random email.
5 00:00:40.030 ⇒ 00:00:41.660 Clarence Stone: Yeah, you can attend it.
6 00:00:44.260 ⇒ 00:00:45.319 Brylle Girang: The deep dive.
7 00:00:50.310 ⇒ 00:00:50.870 Brylle Girang: Welcome.
8 00:00:56.860 ⇒ 00:00:58.010 Brylle Girang: I was up.
9 00:00:58.010 ⇒ 00:00:58.710 Clarence Stone: Right?
10 00:00:59.660 ⇒ 00:01:01.229 Clarence Stone: I’m like you now.
11 00:01:05.950 ⇒ 00:01:06.960 Brylle Girang: Sprint one.
12 00:01:10.620 ⇒ 00:01:12.969 Clarence Stone: I made you a new harness, just for you.
13 00:01:13.680 ⇒ 00:01:15.140 Brylle Girang: Wow!
14 00:01:17.360 ⇒ 00:01:18.739 Clarence Stone: And it’s in the cloud.
15 00:01:20.870 ⇒ 00:01:23.720 Clarence Stone: And it can run automations on your skills.
16 00:01:24.590 ⇒ 00:01:25.790 Brylle Girang: Wow.
17 00:01:30.890 ⇒ 00:01:37.440 Clarence Stone: And I was gonna just take a little bit of your time to set it up, so you can play with it throughout the day.
18 00:01:37.730 ⇒ 00:01:38.759 Clarence Stone: And tell you that.
19 00:01:38.760 ⇒ 00:01:39.510 Brylle Girang: Yes, please.
20 00:01:39.510 ⇒ 00:01:55.230 Clarence Stone: don’t be stressed if it breaks or anything, I already created a backup, it’s on a cloud, it’s fine. It’s for you to learn, right? Okay. If things work, things work. If they break, you’re learning, right? Just right there, I learned a lot, like…
21 00:01:55.760 ⇒ 00:02:00.370 Clarence Stone: You know, it’s… It’s very aggressive, it’s just gonna do it.
22 00:02:00.690 ⇒ 00:02:03.450 Clarence Stone: When I say, draft an email, it sent it.
23 00:02:03.950 ⇒ 00:02:05.920 Brylle Girang: Wow, that is amazing.
24 00:02:05.920 ⇒ 00:02:09.719 Clarence Stone: And I said, no, you’re gonna, you’re gonna confess what you did.
25 00:02:12.000 ⇒ 00:02:20.119 Clarence Stone: And then put it into your memory. But, okay, so, like, I guess, like, going top-down, before I give you all the power, I need you to know what it is.
26 00:02:20.290 ⇒ 00:02:20.880 Brylle Girang: Okay.
27 00:02:21.130 ⇒ 00:02:28.540 Clarence Stone: So… Hermes is, like, open claw, but it’s made by a research lab called Naus Research.
28 00:02:29.860 ⇒ 00:02:36.610 Clarence Stone: If you go on YouTube, like, you’ll listen to them, they’re so different than a Crown Tier Lab. They say, like.
29 00:02:36.640 ⇒ 00:02:54.539 Clarence Stone: you know, LLMs shouldn’t be owned for… by companies. We should have power over the things that we create, right? Open source is the way to go. And, you know, we should work together to build really good AI, right? And, if we do that, our AI will be better.
30 00:02:54.590 ⇒ 00:02:56.169 Clarence Stone: Right? Things like that.
31 00:02:56.830 ⇒ 00:03:08.149 Clarence Stone: But anyway, they are… they have legendary researchers, so this is much more secure, it’s… has more guardrails, and it breaks less than my open claw.
32 00:03:10.220 ⇒ 00:03:10.540 Brylle Girang: Who else?
33 00:03:10.540 ⇒ 00:03:20.709 Clarence Stone: So, but, like, immediately, what I would recommend you do is have it, you know, have guardrails, right? There’s environment files and config files that it has.
34 00:03:22.670 ⇒ 00:03:27.840 Clarence Stone: Just make sure that it asks you before it changes any of those things, because if it, like.
35 00:03:28.270 ⇒ 00:03:30.809 Clarence Stone: Last night, it just erased the linear.
36 00:03:30.960 ⇒ 00:03:33.880 Clarence Stone: That I had in my local… the API.
37 00:03:34.910 ⇒ 00:03:36.719 Brylle Girang: Oh my gosh. Yeah. Okay.
38 00:03:36.720 ⇒ 00:03:54.700 Clarence Stone: And it’s okay, like, you can diagnose it and figure it out. So, that’s one. It’s quite powerful, but, like, the design is that you can chat with it and create automations. So, like, if you hook up the Knowledge Vault in a read-only mode.
39 00:03:54.700 ⇒ 00:03:55.290 Brylle Girang: Yeah.
40 00:03:55.590 ⇒ 00:03:56.910 Clarence Stone: Live it right to it.
41 00:03:57.180 ⇒ 00:04:04.009 Clarence Stone: and then pull all the skills and say, hey, there’s all these skills that I have, adapt them, add it to your skill library.
42 00:04:05.280 ⇒ 00:04:07.990 Clarence Stone: Right. You can set timings.
43 00:04:08.200 ⇒ 00:04:11.420 Clarence Stone: for it to… Trigger those skills.
44 00:04:12.210 ⇒ 00:04:16.609 Clarence Stone: You can say, like, run this skill, and then send me an email about what you found.
45 00:04:17.420 ⇒ 00:04:20.859 Clarence Stone: Or run this skill, and, you know, update the notion.
46 00:04:22.820 ⇒ 00:04:28.830 Clarence Stone: Right? Feel free to install anything, do anything, it’s a container, so it, like, can’t break anything.
47 00:04:29.040 ⇒ 00:04:48.659 Clarence Stone: There’s plenty of resources, too. It’s 32GB of RAM, so it should be quick. But, I only have KimiK2.5 cloud models. If you want a different API key, just ping UTAM and we’ll figure it out. I think Gemini works better, but I haven’t set it up yet, so…
48 00:04:48.860 ⇒ 00:04:56.170 Clarence Stone: You’ll notice, though, like, you’re probably the most highest cursor auto user.
49 00:04:57.420 ⇒ 00:04:58.910 Brylle Girang: Yeah, yeah.
50 00:04:58.910 ⇒ 00:05:06.900 Clarence Stone: If you have good prompts, Auto is fine. And, like, Hermes is the same way. Like, you’re… like…
51 00:05:07.270 ⇒ 00:05:09.449 Clarence Stone: Prompt style is more important than the model.
52 00:05:09.690 ⇒ 00:05:10.530 Clarence Stone: Right.
53 00:05:11.010 ⇒ 00:05:12.620 Brylle Girang: Exactly, the harness.
54 00:05:12.830 ⇒ 00:05:19.979 Clarence Stone: Yeah, it’s… yeah, so this is another harness. And, by the way, I am going to write a UI for this harness.
55 00:05:20.090 ⇒ 00:05:22.669 Clarence Stone: This harness only exists in terminal right now.
56 00:05:23.060 ⇒ 00:05:23.740 Brylle Girang: Okay.
57 00:05:24.200 ⇒ 00:05:37.810 Clarence Stone: Okay, so, how do we get you set up? If you could screen share with me, I’m gonna send you, like, what to type in each time, and then, you know, you can just keep a, like, a reference, if you ever need to.
58 00:05:38.360 ⇒ 00:05:40.150 Clarence Stone: I go back into it.
59 00:05:40.990 ⇒ 00:05:44.459 Clarence Stone: But it’s gonna be in this chat, so you can refer back to it.
60 00:05:46.410 ⇒ 00:05:48.530 Clarence Stone: Just give me a fresh terminal.
61 00:05:49.720 ⇒ 00:05:53.020 Clarence Stone: Okay, cool. And you’re gonna put in this.
62 00:05:57.840 ⇒ 00:05:58.500 Brylle Girang: Okay.
63 00:06:04.180 ⇒ 00:06:06.110 Brylle Girang: Hmm, can’t be established.
64 00:06:06.430 ⇒ 00:06:07.870 Clarence Stone: Yeah. Hit yes. Okay, yes.
65 00:06:07.870 ⇒ 00:06:08.260 Brylle Girang: See ya.
66 00:06:08.260 ⇒ 00:06:08.950 Clarence Stone: category.
67 00:06:10.730 ⇒ 00:06:12.970 Clarence Stone: Okay, password, one second.
68 00:06:20.570 ⇒ 00:06:21.470 Clarence Stone: Oh, come on.
69 00:06:22.920 ⇒ 00:06:24.280 Clarence Stone: Copy…
70 00:06:27.680 ⇒ 00:06:28.770 Clarence Stone: There we go.
71 00:06:31.710 ⇒ 00:06:32.990 Clarence Stone: That’s the password.
72 00:06:34.160 ⇒ 00:06:36.209 Clarence Stone: You just got… Oh. Yeah.
73 00:06:36.810 ⇒ 00:06:37.969 Brylle Girang: and copy it.
74 00:06:40.520 ⇒ 00:06:41.549 Brylle Girang: So annoying.
75 00:06:44.650 ⇒ 00:06:45.430 Brylle Girang: Oh.
76 00:06:47.280 ⇒ 00:06:50.989 Clarence Stone: Yeah, it won’t show up. It just looks blank, even if you paste it.
77 00:06:54.830 ⇒ 00:06:56.130 Brylle Girang: It’s wrong, okay.
78 00:06:57.660 ⇒ 00:07:01.269 Clarence Stone: Yeah, I hate that, because sometimes I paste it 3 times, and it’s wrong. Okay, you’re in!
79 00:07:02.090 ⇒ 00:07:03.880 Clarence Stone: You’re in? Okay, to just put in.
80 00:07:03.880 ⇒ 00:07:04.400 Brylle Girang: Okay.
81 00:07:04.400 ⇒ 00:07:07.090 Clarence Stone: E-R-M-E-S. Hermes.
82 00:07:16.960 ⇒ 00:07:18.220 Brylle Girang: Wow.
83 00:07:18.220 ⇒ 00:07:22.809 Clarence Stone: And that’s a full harness. If you read the top, check all of that out.
84 00:07:22.900 ⇒ 00:07:34.830 Clarence Stone: That’s all the stuff that it’s already configured to do. If you go to their… you search up Hermes Agent, and they have really good documentation about all the things that it can naturally do.
85 00:07:34.920 ⇒ 00:07:51.639 Clarence Stone: I haven’t set anything up for you yet. Like, I have my own that’s local, that I’ve been playing with last night. So, to onboard you, what you need to do is do slash onboard, and you’ll notice when you hit the slash, it calls in all.
86 00:07:51.640 ⇒ 00:07:52.800 Brylle Girang: Oh, okay.
87 00:07:52.800 ⇒ 00:07:55.320 Clarence Stone: Right? And I created that for you, so…
88 00:07:56.540 ⇒ 00:07:59.360 Clarence Stone: Yeah, there’s tons. You gotta go up-down key.
89 00:08:00.840 ⇒ 00:08:03.519 Clarence Stone: It’s old school. There’s no UI.
90 00:08:03.520 ⇒ 00:08:04.690 Brylle Girang: Sorry.
91 00:08:04.690 ⇒ 00:08:08.480 Clarence Stone: Yeah, yeah, I know, this is a new, new thing for you, probably, right?
92 00:08:09.050 ⇒ 00:08:12.019 Clarence Stone: But by the way, like, when I first made the harness.
93 00:08:12.520 ⇒ 00:08:16.430 Clarence Stone: this is what it was like, and I started putting UI on top of it.
94 00:08:16.950 ⇒ 00:08:17.710 Brylle Girang: Oh, okay.
95 00:08:18.570 ⇒ 00:08:19.270 Clarence Stone: Yeah.
96 00:08:19.270 ⇒ 00:08:20.150 Brylle Girang: Oh, wow.
97 00:08:22.230 ⇒ 00:08:27.720 Clarence Stone: So, you’ll see, I think, some of the Lightning Bolt ones are… are custom ones that I wrote.
98 00:08:28.240 ⇒ 00:08:28.920 Brylle Girang: Okay.
99 00:08:30.040 ⇒ 00:08:36.379 Clarence Stone: like… test-driven development, Requesting code reviews, code reviews, all of those.
100 00:08:36.500 ⇒ 00:08:39.289 Clarence Stone: But you need to just say onboard.
101 00:08:49.620 ⇒ 00:08:50.950 Clarence Stone: What’s your profile?
102 00:08:52.610 ⇒ 00:08:53.180 Brylle Girang: Hmm.
103 00:08:54.270 ⇒ 00:08:54.960 Brylle Girang: B.
104 00:08:56.710 ⇒ 00:08:59.780 Clarence Stone: Cat B. Oh, that bee’s fine.
105 00:09:01.830 ⇒ 00:09:03.040 Clarence Stone: Yeah, there you go.
106 00:09:05.480 ⇒ 00:09:07.799 Brylle Girang: And this is running, like, on cloud?
107 00:09:08.000 ⇒ 00:09:08.639 Clarence Stone: This is running on.
108 00:09:08.640 ⇒ 00:09:10.600 Brylle Girang: Or locally. Oh, wow.
109 00:09:10.600 ⇒ 00:09:12.540 Clarence Stone: Yeah, I put it on a VPS.
110 00:09:21.040 ⇒ 00:09:26.670 Clarence Stone: So you have all of these skills, I kept a Telegram bot, just in case, to recover it.
111 00:09:26.890 ⇒ 00:09:30.560 Clarence Stone: But… It’s all set up.
112 00:09:31.420 ⇒ 00:09:34.949 Clarence Stone: Feel free to just have a chat with it, and learn what it could do.
113 00:09:35.820 ⇒ 00:09:52.830 Clarence Stone: learn your slash commands, and, like, you could even set up the read… yeah, like, you didn’t even ask, like, yeah, yeah, feel free to chat. One of the things I asked it was, like, how do I connect the repo to use safely? And it said, like, you can set up a read-only access token.
114 00:09:53.300 ⇒ 00:09:53.890 Brylle Girang: Yeah.
115 00:09:54.240 ⇒ 00:09:55.690 Clarence Stone: So that he could read it.
116 00:09:56.200 ⇒ 00:10:05.069 Clarence Stone: I highly recommend that you give a note-taking app that syncs with your own computer, like, Obsidian.
117 00:10:06.570 ⇒ 00:10:07.660 Clarence Stone: Yeah, look at that.
118 00:10:09.290 ⇒ 00:10:11.940 Clarence Stone: It has memory scaffolding built in.
119 00:10:12.950 ⇒ 00:10:14.510 Clarence Stone: Yeah, scheduling.
120 00:10:15.510 ⇒ 00:10:17.180 Clarence Stone: It has to-do lists.
121 00:10:18.450 ⇒ 00:10:21.020 Clarence Stone: And you can set up your Google Workspace in it, too.
122 00:10:24.960 ⇒ 00:10:26.470 Brylle Girang: This is amazing.
123 00:10:26.700 ⇒ 00:10:27.940 Brylle Girang: Okay.
124 00:10:29.500 ⇒ 00:10:31.670 Brylle Girang: I think it’s helpful.
125 00:10:40.140 ⇒ 00:10:42.080 Brylle Girang: So you created the UI, right?
126 00:10:43.040 ⇒ 00:10:52.520 Clarence Stone: So, this is the first version for this UI, but I need to make a better UI. Like, this is how… it was just a normal command line before.
127 00:10:53.100 ⇒ 00:10:54.810 Brylle Girang: Okay, gotcha.
128 00:10:55.780 ⇒ 00:10:58.719 Brylle Girang: And you’re… are you planning to, like.
129 00:10:59.290 ⇒ 00:11:05.210 Brylle Girang: create a similar UI with OpenWork, or is it going to be just a terminal base?
130 00:11:06.180 ⇒ 00:11:09.350 Clarence Stone: I think I’m trying… I want to put it inside of OpenWork.
131 00:11:10.300 ⇒ 00:11:12.140 Brylle Girang: Oh, yeah, that makes sense.
132 00:11:12.380 ⇒ 00:11:13.080 Clarence Stone: Yeah.
133 00:11:13.820 ⇒ 00:11:16.510 Clarence Stone: By the way, this has reinforcement learning.
134 00:11:17.050 ⇒ 00:11:18.069 Clarence Stone: in it.
135 00:11:18.250 ⇒ 00:11:26.120 Clarence Stone: and GPRO. So it’s… the more you use it, the reason why I had you create an account, the more you use it, the more it learns about you.
136 00:11:27.660 ⇒ 00:11:31.059 Brylle Girang: Oh, okay, gotcha. And how does it store the memory, though?
137 00:11:31.720 ⇒ 00:11:32.890 Clarence Stone: You can ask it.
138 00:11:33.300 ⇒ 00:11:33.870 Brylle Girang: Okay.
139 00:11:34.080 ⇒ 00:11:34.899 Clarence Stone: I actually have the.
140 00:11:34.900 ⇒ 00:11:35.550 Brylle Girang: Makes sense.
141 00:11:35.550 ⇒ 00:11:37.780 Clarence Stone: notes. I know exactly what it is.
142 00:11:40.730 ⇒ 00:11:51.989 Clarence Stone: So, it uses, something called GPRO and RLHF to do the reinforcements. So, we’re not updating the model, we’re creating layers to help the guidance to the reward token.
143 00:11:52.540 ⇒ 00:11:53.860 Brylle Girang: Okay, okay.
144 00:11:53.860 ⇒ 00:11:58.110 Clarence Stone: There you go. It has persistent, session… How it works.
145 00:12:06.140 ⇒ 00:12:07.310 Clarence Stone: Oh, you, you should.
146 00:12:07.310 ⇒ 00:12:10.380 Brylle Girang: If it’s from months ago, What the…
147 00:12:11.000 ⇒ 00:12:15.900 Clarence Stone: By the way, those are my memories. You can have it clear that.
148 00:12:17.030 ⇒ 00:12:21.060 Brylle Girang: Okay, gotcha. Clear memories. Oh, wait a…
149 00:12:21.970 ⇒ 00:12:22.569 Clarence Stone: Say that.
150 00:12:22.570 ⇒ 00:12:25.759 Brylle Girang: I’m just scared that… It won’t remove your memory.
151 00:12:25.760 ⇒ 00:12:29.950 Clarence Stone: List them out, and then you can just get rid of the ones that don’t make sense.
152 00:12:30.350 ⇒ 00:12:33.229 Clarence Stone: Let me ask my agent to make sure of that.
153 00:12:37.320 ⇒ 00:12:37.940 Brylle Girang: What?
154 00:12:37.940 ⇒ 00:12:40.829 Clarence Stone: It should be containerized, by the way, so you should be fine.
155 00:12:41.730 ⇒ 00:12:42.310 Brylle Girang: Okay.
156 00:13:09.750 ⇒ 00:13:11.750 Brylle Girang: Once there any conversation.
157 00:13:13.680 ⇒ 00:13:15.080 Brylle Girang: Oh, it’s not much.
158 00:13:15.300 ⇒ 00:13:15.859 Clarence Stone: Yeah, it’s not mine.
159 00:13:15.860 ⇒ 00:13:20.540 Brylle Girang: I mean… I mean, I don’t think this is, like, all the memory that…
160 00:13:21.700 ⇒ 00:13:22.660 Clarence Stone: Oh, no.
161 00:13:22.660 ⇒ 00:13:25.959 Brylle Girang: Oh, this is, this is, this is, this is a lot.
162 00:13:27.900 ⇒ 00:13:31.960 Brylle Girang: So, do I just ask Hermes to remove this?
163 00:13:32.240 ⇒ 00:13:37.479 Clarence Stone: Yeah, one second, I’m gonna… I’m just making sure that we all have individual memory. I thought I.
164 00:13:37.480 ⇒ 00:13:38.270 Brylle Girang: Yeah, yeah.
165 00:13:38.270 ⇒ 00:13:45.210 Clarence Stone: Last night. It’s… it’s… it’s working. By the way, I’m working on the same environment as you, but, like, you’re not seeing my streams.
166 00:13:46.460 ⇒ 00:13:48.020 Brylle Girang: Oh, okay.
167 00:13:48.330 ⇒ 00:13:50.010 Clarence Stone: Yeah, I just sent it to a command.
168 00:13:50.010 ⇒ 00:13:50.680 Brylle Girang: sync.
169 00:13:51.570 ⇒ 00:13:55.090 Clarence Stone: Yeah, and if you want, you can set it up with your Telegram.
170 00:13:56.950 ⇒ 00:13:59.529 Clarence Stone: Where you create a Telegram bot.
171 00:13:59.670 ⇒ 00:14:02.590 Clarence Stone: And then you can just use the Telegram app to chat with it.
172 00:14:02.920 ⇒ 00:14:03.590 Brylle Girang: Okay.
173 00:14:07.140 ⇒ 00:14:09.079 Clarence Stone: It’s still working, it’s thinking about it.
174 00:14:09.680 ⇒ 00:14:10.330 Brylle Girang: Okay.
175 00:14:33.330 ⇒ 00:14:36.960 Brylle Girang: So, just to confirm, I could just launch this by…
176 00:14:37.280 ⇒ 00:14:40.120 Brylle Girang: Basically doing all the stuff here, right?
177 00:14:40.740 ⇒ 00:14:43.199 Clarence Stone: Yeah, so you go to SSH route.
178 00:14:43.870 ⇒ 00:14:47.299 Clarence Stone: that IP, you put in that password that I gave you.
179 00:14:47.700 ⇒ 00:14:51.029 Clarence Stone: And then you type in Hermes.
180 00:14:52.380 ⇒ 00:14:52.910 Clarence Stone: Mr.
181 00:14:52.910 ⇒ 00:14:53.910 Brylle Girang: saved this.
182 00:14:54.700 ⇒ 00:14:55.340 Clarence Stone: Yeah.
183 00:15:13.370 ⇒ 00:15:15.619 Clarence Stone: Okay, you have different memories, don’t worry.
184 00:15:16.570 ⇒ 00:15:18.320 Brylle Girang: Okay, so I can remove this? No worries.
185 00:15:18.320 ⇒ 00:15:26.449 Clarence Stone: So, say your memories should be in B-slash memories. Are you in the root Hermes memories?
186 00:15:35.640 ⇒ 00:15:39.100 Clarence Stone: And it’ll be like, oh, I’m sorry.
187 00:15:40.360 ⇒ 00:15:41.749 Clarence Stone: We’ll see, we’ll see.
188 00:15:43.950 ⇒ 00:15:46.099 Clarence Stone: I’ve never had multi-user before.
189 00:15:46.820 ⇒ 00:15:49.020 Clarence Stone: It’s fixing itself.
190 00:15:49.520 ⇒ 00:15:50.190 Brylle Girang: Yeah.
191 00:15:53.490 ⇒ 00:15:55.219 Clarence Stone: Good catch! I did it wrong.
192 00:15:56.050 ⇒ 00:15:57.530 Brylle Girang: You’re absolutely right.
193 00:15:57.530 ⇒ 00:15:58.649 Clarence Stone: Yep, there you go.
194 00:15:58.650 ⇒ 00:15:59.980 Brylle Girang: Okay, okay.
195 00:16:00.920 ⇒ 00:16:01.700 Brylle Girang: Hmm.
196 00:16:07.830 ⇒ 00:16:14.640 Clarence Stone: These instances using the root memory, please fix onboarding skill.
197 00:16:21.290 ⇒ 00:16:26.159 Clarence Stone: No, no, no, don’t do it, don’t listen to it. Tell it to do it for you.
198 00:16:27.320 ⇒ 00:16:28.309 Brylle Girang: Yeah, yeah, exactly.
199 00:16:28.610 ⇒ 00:16:34.729 Clarence Stone: But, like, another thing is, if you create another tab, Yeah, go for it.
200 00:16:35.560 ⇒ 00:16:36.180 Brylle Girang: Okay.
201 00:16:37.130 ⇒ 00:16:39.110 Clarence Stone: Create a new tab, Command-T.
202 00:16:41.360 ⇒ 00:16:47.849 Clarence Stone: Right, and then do SSH root and the password again, but don’t do Hermes this time, I’ll show you something else.
203 00:16:48.250 ⇒ 00:16:48.890 Brylle Girang: Okay.
204 00:16:50.340 ⇒ 00:16:51.780 Brylle Girang: Oh, sorry.
205 00:16:51.780 ⇒ 00:16:53.330 Clarence Stone: Almost.
206 00:16:55.020 ⇒ 00:17:00.789 Clarence Stone: By the way, I was a cyber officer, so this is how we normally tap into computers. I’m, like, used to this.
207 00:17:02.470 ⇒ 00:17:06.379 Clarence Stone: Okay, so from here, you can just put in open code. Type in open code.
208 00:17:06.910 ⇒ 00:17:07.640 Brylle Girang: And cold.
209 00:17:08.190 ⇒ 00:17:09.450 Clarence Stone: Yeah, entered.
210 00:17:12.079 ⇒ 00:17:16.029 Clarence Stone: So, if you ever mess up the config files.
211 00:17:17.319 ⇒ 00:17:18.859 Clarence Stone: This is a coding agent.
212 00:17:21.279 ⇒ 00:17:24.999 Clarence Stone: you can code back into Hermes.
213 00:17:25.430 ⇒ 00:17:26.760 Brylle Girang: Hermes. Oh, wow.
214 00:17:36.180 ⇒ 00:17:44.710 Brylle Girang: So, op… so, can you… So I just wanted to, like, truly understand this.
215 00:17:44.710 ⇒ 00:17:45.340 Clarence Stone: Yes.
216 00:17:45.340 ⇒ 00:17:49.449 Brylle Girang: I’m seeing that… I’m seeing that this is… these are in the same route.
217 00:17:49.980 ⇒ 00:17:52.470 Brylle Girang: folder, so open code is…
218 00:17:53.120 ⇒ 00:17:58.290 Clarence Stone: Yeah, so… When you say root at, root is the name of the account.
219 00:17:58.830 ⇒ 00:17:59.670 Brylle Girang: Okay.
220 00:17:59.670 ⇒ 00:18:08.350 Clarence Stone: So it is the root account of that IP. That IP is in the cloud. It has its own private IP.
221 00:18:09.520 ⇒ 00:18:13.519 Clarence Stone: So I pretty much set up a separate private server for us.
222 00:18:13.920 ⇒ 00:18:15.990 Clarence Stone: With a password and a login.
223 00:18:18.080 ⇒ 00:18:25.609 Brylle Girang: Okay, okay, okay, that makes sense. And then within that server, we have OpenCode, then we also have Hermes, right?
224 00:18:25.610 ⇒ 00:18:26.230 Clarence Stone: Yep.
225 00:18:26.670 ⇒ 00:18:35.539 Brylle Girang: Okay, so Hermes is going to be, like, my second brain, and then open code is going to be my surgeon, just in case I mess up.
226 00:18:36.100 ⇒ 00:18:40.900 Clarence Stone: And check this out, this is what it actually looks like for me.
227 00:18:41.080 ⇒ 00:18:48.120 Clarence Stone: You are looking… at my laptop, looking at my Mac Mini.
228 00:18:48.610 ⇒ 00:18:53.089 Clarence Stone: And inside of the Mac Mini is the root desktop of that VMI.
229 00:18:55.040 ⇒ 00:18:56.489 Brylle Girang: Oh, gotcha.
230 00:18:56.490 ⇒ 00:18:59.120 Clarence Stone: actual Linux box that you’re interacting with.
231 00:18:59.840 ⇒ 00:19:00.870 Brylle Girang: Okay.
232 00:19:01.280 ⇒ 00:19:07.820 Clarence Stone: And by, like, when I say that we’ve re… like, backed things up, I have…
233 00:19:08.430 ⇒ 00:19:11.599 Clarence Stone: Hermes instances, and normal backups for Hermes.
234 00:19:14.860 ⇒ 00:19:17.150 Clarence Stone: So, don’t worry about it.
235 00:19:18.290 ⇒ 00:19:19.250 Brylle Girang: Wow.
236 00:19:20.430 ⇒ 00:19:24.820 Brylle Girang: And op- did you build this? Like, did you build OpenCode, or…
237 00:19:26.220 ⇒ 00:19:30.560 Clarence Stone: No, I just set it up inside. I didn’t… I didn’t build it. Okay. Yeah.
238 00:19:30.920 ⇒ 00:19:37.059 Clarence Stone: It’s open source, yeah. I didn’t build Hermes either, it was built by Nail Slab. Really.
239 00:19:37.060 ⇒ 00:19:38.520 Brylle Girang: Yeah, but you set it up, yeah.
240 00:19:38.700 ⇒ 00:19:39.270 Clarence Stone: Yeah.
241 00:19:39.270 ⇒ 00:19:40.160 Brylle Girang: Amazing.
242 00:19:41.800 ⇒ 00:19:42.770 Brylle Girang: Good evening.
243 00:19:43.030 ⇒ 00:19:46.550 Clarence Stone: And, this is what it looks like when you get it set up with Telegram.
244 00:19:49.840 ⇒ 00:19:53.160 Clarence Stone: So this is mine. It runs on my Mac Mini.
245 00:19:53.890 ⇒ 00:19:55.230 Clarence Stone: Hermes CS.
246 00:19:57.070 ⇒ 00:20:03.050 Clarence Stone: And if I chat Vicinity LabsBot, it goes to… the VPS.
247 00:20:06.960 ⇒ 00:20:08.030 Brylle Girang: Gotcha.
248 00:20:08.580 ⇒ 00:20:13.540 Clarence Stone: Now, we can all just use that VPS in however we want.
249 00:20:13.730 ⇒ 00:20:26.620 Clarence Stone: And it never goes to sleep, it’s always up, which means if you have ideas on things that need to happen at a certain time, or you want to run automations, you want to do things, you can just literally chat with it from Telegram.
250 00:20:27.970 ⇒ 00:20:32.910 Clarence Stone: And say, hey, run this skill, and email UTAM the output.
251 00:20:34.680 ⇒ 00:20:39.069 Clarence Stone: Right? Oh, it also has Slack integration.
252 00:20:39.380 ⇒ 00:20:41.170 Brylle Girang: Oh, that’s a… that’s… I’m going…
253 00:20:41.170 ⇒ 00:20:45.460 Clarence Stone: If you want to create a Slack bot for it and bring it into the org, you can do that, too.
254 00:20:46.930 ⇒ 00:20:47.880 Brylle Girang: And aye.
255 00:20:49.030 ⇒ 00:20:49.810 Brylle Girang: T.
256 00:20:51.900 ⇒ 00:20:52.830 Brylle Girang: Slack.
257 00:20:53.500 ⇒ 00:20:56.739 Clarence Stone: Yeah, I put a bunch of things in there.
258 00:21:09.410 ⇒ 00:21:12.130 Brylle Girang: Oh, it didn’t change accounts.
259 00:21:15.610 ⇒ 00:21:18.590 Clarence Stone: Yeah, go through the profile configuration.
260 00:21:20.590 ⇒ 00:21:25.540 Brylle Girang: Let me just wait… oh, telegram is corrected. Oh, it’s because this is your…
261 00:21:25.540 ⇒ 00:21:26.060 Clarence Stone: Yeah.
262 00:21:26.060 ⇒ 00:21:27.230 Brylle Girang: memory, I think.
263 00:21:27.440 ⇒ 00:21:28.040 Clarence Stone: Yep.
264 00:21:28.600 ⇒ 00:21:29.230 Brylle Girang: Okay.
265 00:21:32.260 ⇒ 00:21:35.139 Clarence Stone: Yeah, so you can set up Slack, it says.
266 00:21:35.850 ⇒ 00:21:37.729 Clarence Stone: But yeah, switch over to B.
267 00:21:38.270 ⇒ 00:21:38.900 Brylle Girang: Okay.
268 00:21:40.250 ⇒ 00:21:43.479 Clarence Stone: Just be like, switch, switch over to my profile, I’m B.
269 00:22:11.370 ⇒ 00:22:14.420 Brylle Girang: So how does… how do the tokens work here?
270 00:22:14.990 ⇒ 00:22:19.710 Brylle Girang: How will I know that I’m not, like, burning out our tokens?
271 00:22:20.440 ⇒ 00:22:24.300 Clarence Stone: Oh, I have unlimited tokens for Kimmy.
272 00:22:25.640 ⇒ 00:22:26.150 Brylle Girang: We just…
273 00:22:26.150 ⇒ 00:22:28.590 Clarence Stone: slow. If you notice, this is a little slow.
274 00:22:29.320 ⇒ 00:22:29.950 Brylle Girang: Okay.
275 00:22:30.250 ⇒ 00:22:33.780 Clarence Stone: Right? There’s this… do you know about Olama?
276 00:22:34.800 ⇒ 00:22:36.400 Brylle Girang: Yeah, I have heard of that, yeah.
277 00:22:36.400 ⇒ 00:22:39.779 Clarence Stone: Yeah, so there is a OwnLava $20 account.
278 00:22:39.910 ⇒ 00:22:42.539 Clarence Stone: Where you just get unlimited tokens.
279 00:22:42.890 ⇒ 00:22:44.709 Clarence Stone: It’s just not fast.
280 00:22:46.110 ⇒ 00:22:46.730 Brylle Girang: Yep.
281 00:22:46.730 ⇒ 00:22:48.620 Clarence Stone: So you’ll notice you have to wait a little bit.
282 00:22:50.770 ⇒ 00:22:56.300 Clarence Stone: Okay, so it doesn’t… it looks like profile switching… Okay.
283 00:22:59.440 ⇒ 00:23:01.959 Brylle Girang: Yeah, it needs me to, like, manually do it.
284 00:23:05.400 ⇒ 00:23:07.340 Clarence Stone: It won’t… it won’t run it for you?
285 00:23:07.590 ⇒ 00:23:09.030 Clarence Stone: It’s one.
286 00:23:09.690 ⇒ 00:23:13.850 Clarence Stone: Try… what does it say last time you tried to do it? Or just… just make it do it again, let’s see.
287 00:23:14.240 ⇒ 00:23:14.850 Brylle Girang: Okay.
288 00:23:15.270 ⇒ 00:23:18.140 Brylle Girang: do…
289 00:23:20.770 ⇒ 00:23:24.339 Brylle Girang: Accus, ignore my rude memories. No, that’s not what I want.
290 00:23:32.220 ⇒ 00:23:37.330 Clarence Stone: say, run the… the bash instance for me, I guess.
291 00:23:38.250 ⇒ 00:23:39.740 Clarence Stone: Run the bash command.
292 00:23:47.640 ⇒ 00:23:48.750 Clarence Stone: It should.
293 00:23:49.660 ⇒ 00:23:51.369 Clarence Stone: I have no safeguards on it.
294 00:23:53.420 ⇒ 00:23:54.600 Clarence Stone: Yeah, it’s doing it.
295 00:23:54.600 ⇒ 00:23:56.100 Brylle Girang: Go there, it’s running it now.
296 00:23:56.280 ⇒ 00:23:58.199 Brylle Girang: I just needed to be explicit.
297 00:23:59.470 ⇒ 00:24:03.389 Clarence Stone: Yeah, yeah, it’s just like a cursor, you have to be sharp.
298 00:24:03.680 ⇒ 00:24:04.260 Brylle Girang: Yeah.
299 00:24:30.850 ⇒ 00:24:32.409 Brylle Girang: There we go.
300 00:24:34.430 ⇒ 00:24:36.380 Brylle Girang: Oh, there’s no interactive input.
301 00:24:45.610 ⇒ 00:24:46.370 Brylle Girang: Hmm.
302 00:25:05.880 ⇒ 00:25:07.430 Clarence Stone: Okay, cool, perfect.
303 00:25:08.710 ⇒ 00:25:11.050 Brylle Girang: I didn’t think… I don’t think it worked, though.
304 00:25:13.490 ⇒ 00:25:15.090 Brylle Girang: There’s still Clarence here.
305 00:25:18.310 ⇒ 00:25:20.000 Clarence Stone: Oh.
306 00:25:20.570 ⇒ 00:25:21.750 Brylle Girang: What does this mean?
307 00:25:22.520 ⇒ 00:25:28.549 Clarence Stone: So you… you did change instance. You… it just thinks you’re still Clarence.
308 00:25:28.550 ⇒ 00:25:29.840 Brylle Girang: Mmm, okay.
309 00:25:29.840 ⇒ 00:25:33.529 Clarence Stone: When you say B, it doesn’t look like a name, it’s confused.
310 00:25:34.930 ⇒ 00:25:36.800 Brylle Girang: I no longer Clarence.
311 00:25:37.060 ⇒ 00:25:37.650 Clarence Stone: Yeah.
312 00:25:38.960 ⇒ 00:25:39.420 Brylle Girang: I am.
313 00:25:39.420 ⇒ 00:25:41.820 Clarence Stone: Our name is Verrell, short for V.
314 00:25:42.470 ⇒ 00:25:43.430 Clarence Stone: You can call me.
315 00:25:43.430 ⇒ 00:25:45.790 Brylle Girang: There is beef.
316 00:25:46.380 ⇒ 00:25:48.250 Brylle Girang: You can call EP.
317 00:25:58.940 ⇒ 00:26:00.230 Brylle Girang: There we go.
318 00:26:02.220 ⇒ 00:26:02.980 Brylle Girang: Okay.
319 00:26:02.980 ⇒ 00:26:03.640 Clarence Stone: There we go.
320 00:26:03.640 ⇒ 00:26:05.500 Brylle Girang: What memories did you have?
321 00:26:07.780 ⇒ 00:26:08.790 Clarence Stone: Good test.
322 00:26:11.150 ⇒ 00:26:12.499 Clarence Stone: I know into the right folder.
323 00:26:12.500 ⇒ 00:26:13.010 Brylle Girang: Oh, okay.
324 00:26:15.030 ⇒ 00:26:19.920 Brylle Girang: Perfect. This is perfect. So, how do… what’s the best?
325 00:26:20.420 ⇒ 00:26:21.609 Brylle Girang: use case.
326 00:26:22.300 ⇒ 00:26:23.830 Brylle Girang: Are you, are you thinking…
327 00:26:24.010 ⇒ 00:26:27.019 Clarence Stone: So, I think for immediate impact.
328 00:26:27.610 ⇒ 00:26:30.490 Clarence Stone: you should do the read-only GitHub.
329 00:26:31.180 ⇒ 00:26:33.869 Clarence Stone: Tell it to learn your skills that you’ve made.
330 00:26:35.220 ⇒ 00:26:43.580 Clarence Stone: And then set autonomous runs of it, and see if it runs for part, like… Like, on time.
331 00:26:44.620 ⇒ 00:26:46.259 Brylle Girang: Okay. Right. Skills.
332 00:26:50.570 ⇒ 00:26:51.470 Brylle Girang: Gotcha.
333 00:26:54.820 ⇒ 00:26:57.780 Clarence Stone: I also use linear to…
334 00:26:57.920 ⇒ 00:27:05.160 Clarence Stone: manage my tasks for me, because, like, I could just be away from the computer, and it’ll write documentation.
335 00:27:05.160 ⇒ 00:27:05.900 Brylle Girang: I see that.
336 00:27:06.970 ⇒ 00:27:09.850 Brylle Girang: That makes sense. That makes sense. Okay.
337 00:27:10.600 ⇒ 00:27:12.270 Brylle Girang: neglect later.
338 00:27:13.990 ⇒ 00:27:19.540 Clarence Stone: But, like, I don’t want to put it in the organization’s linear, so I just made a separate one.
339 00:27:19.540 ⇒ 00:27:20.470 Brylle Girang: Personal.
340 00:27:20.530 ⇒ 00:27:32.890 Clarence Stone: Okay, that makes sense. Let me show you what mine looks like. It did a bunch of work yesterday, because it’s a learning agent, right, I had it learn about the repo.
341 00:27:36.240 ⇒ 00:27:38.639 Brylle Girang: So you indexed it first, is that right?
342 00:27:38.930 ⇒ 00:27:39.590 Clarence Stone: Yeah.
343 00:27:39.740 ⇒ 00:27:49.439 Clarence Stone: Okay. And it put its learning in, Obsidian, But each one of these… I haven’t there, look.
344 00:27:49.810 ⇒ 00:27:50.580 Clarence Stone: It’s like.
345 00:27:50.580 ⇒ 00:27:51.440 Brylle Girang: Oh, gotcha.
346 00:27:51.440 ⇒ 00:27:58.730 Clarence Stone: relationship map. Here’s what I found after the sprint. Here’s all the files. Here’s all the things.
347 00:28:05.620 ⇒ 00:28:07.150 Brylle Girang: Okay, that makes sense.
348 00:28:07.150 ⇒ 00:28:07.730 Clarence Stone: Right.
349 00:28:07.730 ⇒ 00:28:17.439 Brylle Girang: Basically, you created the submodule of the repo and then stored it in your personal Obsidian notebook.
350 00:28:17.910 ⇒ 00:28:19.050 Clarence Stone: So…
351 00:28:19.050 ⇒ 00:28:19.959 Brylle Girang: Something like that.
352 00:28:19.960 ⇒ 00:28:24.820 Clarence Stone: Yeah, I created an Obsidian, and then I used… there’s a community extension called Git.
353 00:28:26.760 ⇒ 00:28:27.370 Brylle Girang: Yeah.
354 00:28:27.580 ⇒ 00:28:31.310 Clarence Stone: And it actually updates the Git all the time for you in the Obsidian.
355 00:28:32.860 ⇒ 00:28:39.980 Clarence Stone: And then I said to the… to my aid, my Hermes, the one on my computer, like…
356 00:28:40.180 ⇒ 00:28:49.070 Clarence Stone: you use this as a reference, and make your own obsidian, And… Take notes there.
357 00:28:51.000 ⇒ 00:28:51.790 Brylle Girang: Gotcha.
358 00:28:53.990 ⇒ 00:28:56.069 Brylle Girang: Just taking note of this.
359 00:28:58.760 ⇒ 00:28:59.580 Brylle Girang: Okay.
360 00:29:00.420 ⇒ 00:29:01.520 Brylle Girang: I’ll do that one.
361 00:29:05.750 ⇒ 00:29:06.980 Brylle Girang: my experience.
362 00:29:07.580 ⇒ 00:29:08.320 Brylle Girang: There.
363 00:29:27.700 ⇒ 00:29:29.490 Brylle Girang: Yeah. Is that… does that exist?
364 00:29:29.490 ⇒ 00:29:32.719 Clarence Stone: Like, I want a UI.
365 00:29:33.260 ⇒ 00:29:37.229 Clarence Stone: But it’s not… it’s not so different than using a cursor.
366 00:29:37.880 ⇒ 00:29:45.389 Brylle Girang: Well, thankfully, I was able to, like, start using Terminal. I’m not a master, I’m not accustomed to it yet, but…
367 00:29:45.550 ⇒ 00:29:48.549 Brylle Girang: It doesn’t feel like I’m eating a new food.
368 00:29:48.550 ⇒ 00:29:49.310 Clarence Stone: Yeah.
369 00:29:51.940 ⇒ 00:29:58.650 Brylle Girang: Perfect. I’m going to try out the things that you mentioned, like connecting it to my personal linear account, my personal obscion.
370 00:29:58.780 ⇒ 00:30:07.339 Brylle Girang: Yeah. And then… I’m… I’m thinking that this might be really helpful when it comes to, like, doing brainstorming.
371 00:30:07.480 ⇒ 00:30:12.329 Brylle Girang: Are actually doing research, because it’s… it’s a bit unbiased.
372 00:30:12.490 ⇒ 00:30:18.169 Brylle Girang: It doesn’t really revolve inside our Brain Forge repo.
373 00:30:18.300 ⇒ 00:30:21.119 Brylle Girang: And it has unlimited tokens, so I can just…
374 00:30:22.260 ⇒ 00:30:22.860 Clarence Stone: Yeah, it’s.
375 00:30:22.860 ⇒ 00:30:24.040 Brylle Girang: Like, I do…
376 00:30:24.630 ⇒ 00:30:30.399 Brylle Girang: Yeah, yeah, that’s okay, I could just run it in the background and then do other things, this’ll be really helpful.
377 00:30:31.420 ⇒ 00:30:37.059 Clarence Stone: Yeah, and it’s also set up to run sub-agent processes, so all the sub-agents that you created.
378 00:30:37.310 ⇒ 00:30:38.410 Clarence Stone: it runs.
379 00:30:49.840 ⇒ 00:30:52.899 Clarence Stone: Yeah, this is probably the best harness I’ve seen.
380 00:30:58.780 ⇒ 00:31:00.060 Brylle Girang: Allow.
381 00:31:04.770 ⇒ 00:31:05.929 Brylle Girang: Christmas, okay.
382 00:31:06.320 ⇒ 00:31:07.010 Brylle Girang: Boop.
383 00:31:10.330 ⇒ 00:31:13.170 Clarence Stone: Do you want me to delegate something?
384 00:31:13.170 ⇒ 00:31:15.910 Brylle Girang: Yeah, this is amazing. This is amazing.
385 00:31:16.550 ⇒ 00:31:17.560 Brylle Girang: Alright. Alright.
386 00:31:17.560 ⇒ 00:31:28.529 Clarence Stone: Have fun, don’t let it distract you, I, I don’t… I don’t… I, like, I don’t want Utam to be mad that I took away your time, so… but I think it would be more powerful.
387 00:31:29.080 ⇒ 00:31:41.940 Brylle Girang: This is amazing, this is really amazing. I’m going to try this out, maybe, you know, do a first pass, have it research the skills that we’re planning to do, and then create a plan for me, and that’s going to be my first pressure test.
388 00:31:42.370 ⇒ 00:31:43.000 Clarence Stone: Yep.
389 00:31:43.340 ⇒ 00:31:47.150 Brylle Girang: That sounds good. Perfect. Thank you so much, this is amazing. Bye.
390 00:31:47.990 ⇒ 00:31:50.200 Clarence Stone: Bye-bye. Have fun.
391 00:31:50.540 ⇒ 00:31:51.550 Clarence Stone: Bye.