Meeting Title: Demilade <> Mustafa: Gantt chart alignment, hourly estimates Date: 2026-01-26 Meeting participants: Mustafa’s Loom Notetaker, Mustafa Raja, Demilade Agboola
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1 00:01:46.440 ⇒ 00:01:47.709 Demilade Agboola: Hi, Mustafa.
2 00:01:51.760 ⇒ 00:01:53.000 Mustafa Raja: Hey, how are you?
3 00:01:55.700 ⇒ 00:01:56.340 Demilade Agboola: I’m fine, huh.
4 00:01:56.340 ⇒ 00:01:58.640 Mustafa Raja: Hey, can you hear me? Yeah, yeah, I’m fine.
5 00:02:03.950 ⇒ 00:02:04.909 Demilade Agboola: How was your weekend?
6 00:02:06.020 ⇒ 00:02:11.030 Mustafa Raja: Oh, weekend was good. I finished, Red Dead Attemption 2 and Facade.
7 00:02:13.159 ⇒ 00:02:15.359 Demilade Agboola: Oh, did you say you finished Red, red?
8 00:02:16.529 ⇒ 00:02:17.559 Demilade Agboola: RDR.
9 00:02:18.110 ⇒ 00:02:19.900 Mustafa Raja: Red Dead Redemption, the game.
10 00:02:20.520 ⇒ 00:02:21.430 Demilade Agboola: Yeah.
11 00:02:21.980 ⇒ 00:02:22.510 Demilade Agboola: Everyone’.
12 00:02:22.510 ⇒ 00:02:23.559 Mustafa Raja: What’s the game?
13 00:02:23.560 ⇒ 00:02:29.560 Demilade Agboola: But it’s been out for so long, like, I think it’s the sign of a very good game, like, it’s been out for so long, and it’s still a very good game till today.
14 00:02:29.830 ⇒ 00:02:32.990 Mustafa Raja: Oh, I played through it for the first time, actually.
15 00:02:33.260 ⇒ 00:02:34.020 Demilade Agboola: Yeah.
16 00:02:34.610 ⇒ 00:02:35.460 Mustafa Raja: Yeah.
17 00:02:36.960 ⇒ 00:02:38.640 Mustafa Raja: And I played, you don’t bring back.
18 00:02:42.030 ⇒ 00:02:43.090 Demilade Agboola: That’s sad.
19 00:02:43.090 ⇒ 00:02:46.619 Mustafa Raja: new… yeah, I got this new M4 Pro, right?
20 00:02:47.240 ⇒ 00:02:55.580 Mustafa Raja: Okay. And it doesn’t… there’s this software crossover, and it lets us play games…
21 00:02:55.920 ⇒ 00:03:06.630 Mustafa Raja: On Mac. It’s wonderful, if you have a Mac, and if you want to try it out, if you don’t have a gaming setup, you might just want to take a look at that.
22 00:03:07.950 ⇒ 00:03:09.390 Demilade Agboola: Interesting, I had an idea.
23 00:03:10.230 ⇒ 00:03:11.100 Mustafa Raja: Yeah, yeah.
24 00:03:12.270 ⇒ 00:03:18.420 Mustafa Raja: I’m just sending a message to Caitlin, and I’ll be… Instantly…
25 00:03:18.420 ⇒ 00:03:23.320 Demilade Agboola: So, I’ll try and see if I can set up some of the integrations today for…
26 00:03:24.240 ⇒ 00:03:30.530 Demilade Agboola: this. It appears we have a number of… access already, right? Like, hypothet.
27 00:03:30.530 ⇒ 00:03:38.499 Mustafa Raja: Oh, yeah, yeah, we have it with the UI, yeah. We have Salesforce, let me actually go back to the list,
28 00:03:39.920 ⇒ 00:03:46.459 Mustafa Raja: I know that we have, Salesforce, I know that we have Hyperline, I don’t know that we have…
29 00:03:46.560 ⇒ 00:04:02.319 Mustafa Raja: Stripe and Amplitude, but, the, have you logged in with, brainforge at default.com? All of the, would have, the Brainforge at default.com would have access to all of these mentioned.
30 00:04:03.130 ⇒ 00:04:03.750 Demilade Agboola: Okay.
31 00:04:04.640 ⇒ 00:04:05.480 Mustafa Raja: Yeah.
32 00:04:05.870 ⇒ 00:04:10.500 Mustafa Raja: I think the Salesforce one is asking, us to reset the password.
33 00:04:11.320 ⇒ 00:04:11.919 Mustafa Raja: Yes, I did.
34 00:04:11.920 ⇒ 00:04:15.419 Demilade Agboola: I did that. I just did that, and I updated it with a new password.
35 00:04:16.310 ⇒ 00:04:19.169 Mustafa Raja: Oh, that’s nice. Did you update that in OnePlus also?
36 00:04:19.370 ⇒ 00:04:20.659 Demilade Agboola: Yes, I updated it in…
37 00:04:20.660 ⇒ 00:04:28.680 Mustafa Raja: Oh yeah, that’s super nice. I opened… I opened it up a month ago, and I was like, bro, I don’t want to mess up the password.
38 00:04:30.800 ⇒ 00:04:31.590 Demilade Agboola: Yeah, opposite.
39 00:04:31.590 ⇒ 00:04:37.850 Mustafa Raja: Because it happened… it happened once with, what’s it called?
40 00:04:38.550 ⇒ 00:04:42.010 Mustafa Raja: Insomnia cookies, and it took a lot of time for us to resolve that.
41 00:04:42.590 ⇒ 00:04:43.240 Demilade Agboola: Oh.
42 00:04:43.670 ⇒ 00:04:48.149 Demilade Agboola: So, because I have the plugin, Like, the browser plugin.
43 00:04:48.510 ⇒ 00:04:49.830 Mustafa Raja: Yeah, the browser extension, yeah.
44 00:04:49.830 ⇒ 00:04:55.370 Demilade Agboola: Yeah, if I see that I’m… if I change the password, he asks me if I want to update it, so I just… I just say, yeah.
45 00:04:55.880 ⇒ 00:05:04.210 Mustafa Raja: I did click the update, and the OnePass did not update that, yeah. Oh, wow. For me, it didn’t, and that was not a good day.
46 00:05:05.610 ⇒ 00:05:07.700 Demilade Agboola: Yes, that can be very frustrating.
47 00:05:08.180 ⇒ 00:05:08.760 Mustafa Raja: Yep.
48 00:05:10.410 ⇒ 00:05:12.150 Mustafa Raja: But then we resolved it, that’s nice.
49 00:05:12.680 ⇒ 00:05:15.550 Mustafa Raja: Okay, so let me share my screen…
50 00:05:19.750 ⇒ 00:05:23.020 Demilade Agboola: Yeah, I just checked and I was updated. So, it’s the new password.
51 00:05:23.020 ⇒ 00:05:23.999 Mustafa Raja: Oh, that’s nice.
52 00:05:24.410 ⇒ 00:05:32.470 Mustafa Raja: Let’s digant… I think we would want to move some of these… Things ahead…
53 00:05:40.080 ⇒ 00:05:48.049 Mustafa Raja: I changed the name. I made it Data Platform and Analytics. DENBI was not… Good enough.
54 00:05:48.780 ⇒ 00:05:52.989 Mustafa Raja: Okay, so, moving it to this week, then, right?
55 00:05:57.370 ⇒ 00:06:04.040 Mustafa Raja: And then… Yeah, I think do you think this is good?
56 00:06:05.980 ⇒ 00:06:07.150 Demilade Agboola: And just detail.
57 00:06:08.860 ⇒ 00:06:13.080 Mustafa Raja: Or do you think this is… this… let’s just make it one week?
58 00:06:13.980 ⇒ 00:06:16.599 Demilade Agboola: I think it should be fine, but let’s see.
59 00:06:19.070 ⇒ 00:06:23.000 Demilade Agboola: Well, because once we have access, it’s literally just, like, plug and, like, click and…
60 00:06:25.260 ⇒ 00:06:25.940 Mustafa Raja: Okay.
61 00:06:25.990 ⇒ 00:06:28.299 Demilade Agboola: Once you have LinkedIn, it’s just by clicking.
62 00:06:28.700 ⇒ 00:06:29.550 Demilade Agboola: Yeah.
63 00:06:29.550 ⇒ 00:06:31.209 Mustafa Raja: I’ll leave it as is, then.
64 00:06:31.210 ⇒ 00:06:33.430 Demilade Agboola: Yeah. For this one…
65 00:06:34.530 ⇒ 00:06:43.270 Mustafa Raja: I’ll just move it… Hmm… What sort of data do we need here?
66 00:07:00.420 ⇒ 00:07:03.979 Mustafa Raja: Sorry, give me a moment… I’m trying to find that message.
67 00:07:06.680 ⇒ 00:07:07.879 Mustafa Raja: Again, this one.
68 00:07:09.090 ⇒ 00:07:11.519 Mustafa Raja: How many users logged in?
69 00:07:12.020 ⇒ 00:07:18.600 Mustafa Raja: Variety of… Okay, we need data from plane for this to work.
70 00:07:20.360 ⇒ 00:07:28.179 Mustafa Raja: District renewal… Where would this data be, DHS2 renewal?
71 00:07:33.040 ⇒ 00:07:33.849 Demilade Agboola: Sir, what’d you say?
72 00:07:34.990 ⇒ 00:07:43.859 Mustafa Raja: So Lauren, Lauren needs, this, lauren has this work stream, right? So I’m just trying to make sure that…
73 00:07:43.980 ⇒ 00:07:45.130 Demilade Agboola: So what does she, what did she ask for?
74 00:07:45.130 ⇒ 00:07:48.880 Mustafa Raja: I… All of these, KPIs.
75 00:07:49.550 ⇒ 00:07:54.870 Demilade Agboola: Okay, so this is for… The meat, like, okay, the… what she needs.
76 00:07:55.210 ⇒ 00:07:57.340 Demilade Agboola: So she needs how many users logged in?
77 00:07:57.780 ⇒ 00:08:00.560 Demilade Agboola: Can we track if they made? So this would be…
78 00:08:02.210 ⇒ 00:08:03.369 Mustafa Raja: This would be just the product data.
79 00:08:03.370 ⇒ 00:08:05.679 Demilade Agboola: Yeah, the product data, that’ll be product data.
80 00:08:06.000 ⇒ 00:08:09.329 Demilade Agboola: Variety of web type part of this as well.
81 00:08:10.530 ⇒ 00:08:11.070 Demilade Agboola: What kind of.
82 00:08:11.070 ⇒ 00:08:11.570 Mustafa Raja: This one…
83 00:08:11.570 ⇒ 00:08:14.669 Demilade Agboola: trigger days to renewal, that’s probably Salesforce.
84 00:08:15.300 ⇒ 00:08:16.970 Mustafa Raja: Oh, that’s what… okay.
85 00:08:17.140 ⇒ 00:08:19.470 Mustafa Raja: New admins…
86 00:08:19.470 ⇒ 00:08:22.320 Demilade Agboola: Do we have roles in members?
87 00:08:25.160 ⇒ 00:08:27.860 Mustafa Raja: I’ll have to see if we have rules there.
88 00:08:28.390 ⇒ 00:08:32.559 Mustafa Raja: Meeting time, I think this is also product. Product data, yeah.
89 00:08:33.020 ⇒ 00:08:39.790 Mustafa Raja: So we need 3… 3 plugins for Plain, and then Salesforce, and then…
90 00:08:40.010 ⇒ 00:08:43.690 Mustafa Raja: days in implementation before onboarding, I guess.
91 00:08:43.780 ⇒ 00:08:45.689 Demilade Agboola: Does this make sense to you, or…
92 00:08:45.820 ⇒ 00:08:48.469 Mustafa Raja: Should I ask more clarification on this?
93 00:08:49.270 ⇒ 00:08:54.990 Demilade Agboola: Yeah, I think you should ask more clarification, just what does that mean? Like, how does she define implement?
94 00:08:54.990 ⇒ 00:08:55.540 Mustafa Raja: Okay.
95 00:08:55.540 ⇒ 00:09:00.010 Demilade Agboola: What does days in implementation before onboarding mean?
96 00:09:00.700 ⇒ 00:09:01.130 Mustafa Raja: Okie.
97 00:09:01.130 ⇒ 00:09:04.649 Demilade Agboola: It’s a Salesforce thing, how does she currently track it?
98 00:09:05.500 ⇒ 00:09:06.100 Mustafa Raja: Hmm.
99 00:09:06.100 ⇒ 00:09:06.850 Demilade Agboola: All that stuff.
100 00:09:06.850 ⇒ 00:09:11.320 Mustafa Raja: Firstly, I’m going to remove the reverse ETL from here.
101 00:09:13.680 ⇒ 00:09:20.200 Mustafa Raja: Because we have a… Dask… And reverse ATL to catalyst here.
102 00:09:22.460 ⇒ 00:09:24.889 Mustafa Raja: Do you think one week is good enough for this one?
103 00:09:26.110 ⇒ 00:09:26.840 Demilade Agboola: Which one?
104 00:09:27.310 ⇒ 00:09:28.330 Demilade Agboola: onboarding.
105 00:09:29.060 ⇒ 00:09:33.860 Mustafa Raja: Yeah, dashboarding in Omni and Reverse ET&T.
106 00:09:34.400 ⇒ 00:09:38.810 Demilade Agboola: Yeah, so that’s… one week should be enough. Again, unless something unforeseen happens.
107 00:09:45.340 ⇒ 00:09:46.270 Mustafa Raja: Okay.
108 00:09:47.500 ⇒ 00:09:49.490 Mustafa Raja: Metric definition…
109 00:09:53.610 ⇒ 00:09:54.620 Mustafa Raja: Just detail.
110 00:09:57.330 ⇒ 00:10:02.650 Mustafa Raja: Okay… For this, do you want this to be this week?
111 00:10:02.820 ⇒ 00:10:06.060 Mustafa Raja: Then, GTM, and revenue metrics flow.
112 00:10:08.380 ⇒ 00:10:10.749 Demilade Agboola: Which… do you see on my revenue metrics?
113 00:10:11.400 ⇒ 00:10:15.789 Demilade Agboola: No, no. I think, yeah, let’s just look…
114 00:10:16.160 ⇒ 00:10:26.469 Demilade Agboola: maybe at the end of this week, maybe, like, start on Thursday or Friday, that’s best case scenario. I think this week will just be focusing on ensuring that we have everything, like, set up properly.
115 00:10:26.670 ⇒ 00:10:29.419 Demilade Agboola: And then next week, we can start, like, being more…
116 00:10:31.960 ⇒ 00:10:36.370 Mustafa Raja: Yeah, I’m just going to move it to next week, because Utum says that don’t start anything midweek.
117 00:10:36.830 ⇒ 00:10:37.880 Demilade Agboola: Okay, that’s fair.
118 00:10:41.010 ⇒ 00:10:46.940 Mustafa Raja: This is good. This is… This feels good.
119 00:10:51.440 ⇒ 00:10:58.050 Mustafa Raja: Okay, I guess we are starting this. I guess I have some of these assignments… Signed to me.
120 00:10:58.950 ⇒ 00:10:59.780 Mustafa Raja: Yeah.
121 00:11:00.900 ⇒ 00:11:04.629 Mustafa Raja: Data attribution and modeling. And this would…
122 00:11:12.900 ⇒ 00:11:14.929 Mustafa Raja: This would be overlapping…
123 00:11:28.060 ⇒ 00:11:31.520 Mustafa Raja: Do you think we will get access to all of this?
124 00:11:32.050 ⇒ 00:11:33.069 Mustafa Raja: This week?
125 00:11:35.520 ⇒ 00:11:36.820 Demilade Agboola: I’m not sure.
126 00:11:36.930 ⇒ 00:11:40.599 Demilade Agboola: But we can… we’ll do our best to push for it, that’s… that’s literally all we can do.
127 00:11:41.690 ⇒ 00:11:49.060 Mustafa Raja: Okay Yeah, because this, this then makes all of this very unsure, right?
128 00:11:49.660 ⇒ 00:11:53.880 Demilade Agboola: Yeah, so we’ll do our best to push for it. We’ll test what we can test.
129 00:11:54.830 ⇒ 00:11:59.370 Demilade Agboola: And then, ultimately, we’ll use that to…
130 00:11:59.940 ⇒ 00:12:05.079 Demilade Agboola: Push back and say, hey, we want to do this, but this is, like, this is a blocker.
131 00:12:05.680 ⇒ 00:12:20.259 Demilade Agboola: And I think that’s the advantage of us having communication with them, so we can at least communicate and say, hey, for instance, today I will try setting up their polyatomic with Mother Doc, as well as then to try… start to ingest maybe Salesforce and a couple of other sources.
132 00:12:20.490 ⇒ 00:12:34.539 Demilade Agboola: And if certain, you know, credentials don’t work, or, like, we just don’t have credentials for certain things, I will just send that list back to the team today, and just be like, yo, I’ve been unable to do ingestions for these sources.
133 00:12:34.750 ⇒ 00:12:39.889 Demilade Agboola: And when, like, basically, that’s holding us, that’s holding us up.
134 00:12:40.600 ⇒ 00:12:45.710 Mustafa Raja: Okay, and how long do you think the setup is going to take you?
135 00:12:48.440 ⇒ 00:12:51.609 Demilade Agboola: Ideally, shouldn’t take too long,
136 00:12:52.140 ⇒ 00:12:54.910 Demilade Agboola: I’ll say maybe 3 days, or 4 days.
137 00:12:55.090 ⇒ 00:12:57.410 Demilade Agboola: Tops, which is just basically, like.
138 00:12:57.950 ⇒ 00:13:10.770 Demilade Agboola: Because I haven’t done it for Mother Doc, I don’t know if there’s anything that would be slightly different, so that would probably even be why it’s, like, 3 days or 4 days. Ideally, to be fair, like, DBC should be, like, one day, like, 1 hour of…
139 00:13:11.110 ⇒ 00:13:16.249 Demilade Agboola: Not one hour, sorry, like, one afternoon of, like, proper work, you can get it done.
140 00:13:16.730 ⇒ 00:13:27.050 Demilade Agboola: But, you know, with all these things, I always like to add a bit of buffer, just in case things go weird. You don’t want to have over-promised, and then they’re like, oh, I thought we said we’ll be done with this by…
141 00:13:27.530 ⇒ 00:13:36.010 Demilade Agboola: by Friday, or Friday comes around and you haven’t done it. So, I think as it is now, it’s fine. We can make you make it, like, 4 days instead, but, like, other than that, it’s fine.
142 00:13:36.910 ⇒ 00:13:43.660 Mustafa Raja: Okay, so, for this stream, I see that…
143 00:13:44.950 ⇒ 00:13:48.219 Mustafa Raja: Well, this really is actually Hugh.
144 00:13:49.400 ⇒ 00:13:53.019 Mustafa Raja: And then, for this stream, I see that you have this task.
145 00:13:53.600 ⇒ 00:13:59.590 Mustafa Raja: But this really is…
146 00:14:00.380 ⇒ 00:14:05.089 Mustafa Raja: overlapping this one also? Would you be comfortable doing these two in the same week?
147 00:14:05.500 ⇒ 00:14:06.130 Demilade Agboola: Which two?
148 00:14:06.130 ⇒ 00:14:07.380 Mustafa Raja: data attribution.
149 00:14:07.700 ⇒ 00:14:10.030 Mustafa Raja: And… metric definition.
150 00:14:11.500 ⇒ 00:14:15.210 Demilade Agboola: I mean, it’s both… okay, so Laura…
151 00:14:15.570 ⇒ 00:14:17.309 Demilade Agboola: Yeah, I should be fine doing them.
152 00:14:18.330 ⇒ 00:14:19.770 Demilade Agboola: That should be fine, man.
153 00:14:21.710 ⇒ 00:14:26.640 Mustafa Raja: And then KPI development, really should be just based on those models, right?
154 00:14:28.380 ⇒ 00:14:31.269 Mustafa Raja: I guess I will be able to help you out over there.
155 00:14:31.560 ⇒ 00:14:37.119 Mustafa Raja: Yeah. I could take some of that workload and have you review it, or advise me.
156 00:14:37.670 ⇒ 00:14:38.749 Mustafa Raja: How’d you do it?
157 00:14:38.970 ⇒ 00:14:43.540 Mustafa Raja: And then… Reverse ETL and dashboarding.
158 00:14:44.620 ⇒ 00:14:58.889 Mustafa Raja: So I remember you mentioned that for reverse ETL, since we… I don’t think, Catalyst, stores data on itself. It just takes it… it just takes data from one of the warehouses.
159 00:14:58.990 ⇒ 00:15:02.610 Mustafa Raja: So, it’s going to be,
160 00:15:03.290 ⇒ 00:15:06.550 Mustafa Raja: us sending data back to S3, right?
161 00:15:06.870 ⇒ 00:15:15.589 Demilade Agboola: Yes, that’s most likely what we’re going to have to do, so I was… because I know I was talking to Otem about it, and Otem, they mentioned that, yeah, they don’t necessarily…
162 00:15:15.830 ⇒ 00:15:18.420 Demilade Agboola: You can’t push to them, they need to be.
163 00:15:19.010 ⇒ 00:15:20.820 Demilade Agboola: Gets it from… anywhere.
164 00:15:20.820 ⇒ 00:15:22.760 Mustafa Raja: Hubby house, yeah, yeah.
165 00:15:22.760 ⇒ 00:15:26.879 Demilade Agboola: And they don’t… I don’t think they have a connection to Mother Doc, at least to sign their documentation, so we’ll just use…
166 00:15:26.880 ⇒ 00:15:32.820 Mustafa Raja: So, I think we would want access to S3 also then, no?
167 00:15:33.620 ⇒ 00:15:35.199 Demilade Agboola: Yeah, fair, fair.
168 00:15:36.890 ⇒ 00:15:38.160 Mustafa Raja: Should I mention it?
169 00:15:38.320 ⇒ 00:15:38.790 Demilade Agboola: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
170 00:15:38.790 ⇒ 00:15:42.819 Mustafa Raja: I mean, it’s not a data source, It’s something else, right?
171 00:15:43.710 ⇒ 00:15:47.800 Demilade Agboola: That’s a destination, so we can just put,
172 00:15:49.250 ⇒ 00:15:58.219 Demilade Agboola: Maybe a new tab, like, duplicate this tab, and then just, instead of… just remove everything else and put it as a data destination.
173 00:16:02.810 ⇒ 00:16:05.439 Mustafa Raja: Reverse… should I say reverse ETL destination?
174 00:16:06.310 ⇒ 00:16:08.520 Demilade Agboola: Yeah, you could also do that that way.
175 00:16:10.890 ⇒ 00:16:11.850 Mustafa Raja: Unless you just.
176 00:16:11.850 ⇒ 00:16:12.680 Demilade Agboola: clear that.
177 00:16:12.870 ⇒ 00:16:14.980 Demilade Agboola: That’s… it’s going to be destination.
178 00:16:15.330 ⇒ 00:16:23.920 Mustafa Raja: Listing issue… And then… We just remove everything…
179 00:16:27.560 ⇒ 00:16:29.580 Mustafa Raja: I don’t think we need these columns, right?
180 00:16:30.480 ⇒ 00:16:32.230 Demilade Agboola: No.
181 00:16:32.580 ⇒ 00:16:36.060 Mustafa Raja: Waiting… Yes, this is…
182 00:16:36.430 ⇒ 00:16:37.269 Demilade Agboola: It’s just S3?
183 00:16:37.270 ⇒ 00:16:37.930 Mustafa Raja: C.
184 00:16:39.350 ⇒ 00:16:44.420 Mustafa Raja: I’m in this room with the captive now.
185 00:16:46.170 ⇒ 00:16:47.580 Mustafa Raja: I don’t think we need this.
186 00:16:49.820 ⇒ 00:16:50.740 Mustafa Raja: Actually.
187 00:16:53.320 ⇒ 00:16:54.150 Mustafa Raja: 18.
188 00:16:54.960 ⇒ 00:16:59.389 Mustafa Raja: BF team needs demo, BF Team does not need demo.
189 00:17:04.089 ⇒ 00:17:07.580 Mustafa Raja: For this, Victor is the owner.
190 00:17:09.020 ⇒ 00:17:10.099 Mustafa Raja: I know that.
191 00:17:13.910 ⇒ 00:17:15.970 Mustafa Raja: And this will just delete.
192 00:17:19.819 ⇒ 00:17:23.720 Mustafa Raja: Okay, so let me know if you’re meeting with Victor, or not.
193 00:17:23.920 ⇒ 00:17:29.520 Mustafa Raja: This would be good to have before… Nissan, before…
194 00:17:29.790 ⇒ 00:17:31.640 Mustafa Raja: Yeah, we have 3 weeks for this.
195 00:17:32.290 ⇒ 00:17:36.980 Demilade Agboola: Yeah, but I will… like I said, I’ll start doing stuff with Polyatomic today.
196 00:17:37.340 ⇒ 00:17:46.250 Demilade Agboola: And then once that’s done, I would just basically reach out to the team and give an update. Like, in my end update update, I’ll add it there, where…
197 00:17:46.730 ⇒ 00:17:48.839 Demilade Agboola: Which accesses worked on which one instance?
198 00:17:49.390 ⇒ 00:17:53.640 Mustafa Raja: Okay, okay, that’s nice, okay. So let’s add the hourly estimates now.
199 00:17:56.070 ⇒ 00:17:57.880 Mustafa Raja: How much for ingest data?
200 00:18:00.170 ⇒ 00:18:04.009 Mustafa Raja: This is an ongoing one, right? This training is an ongoing one.
201 00:18:04.010 ⇒ 00:18:04.740 Demilade Agboola: Yeah.
202 00:18:05.050 ⇒ 00:18:09.989 Mustafa Raja: I loom… For everything, can we say 3 or 4?
203 00:18:11.060 ⇒ 00:18:11.820 Demilade Agboola: Ours?
204 00:18:12.270 ⇒ 00:18:12.980 Mustafa Raja: Yeah.
205 00:18:13.860 ⇒ 00:18:20.040 Demilade Agboola: I mean, yes, again, it’s signing in, connecting… yes, yes, yes, G4.
206 00:18:21.200 ⇒ 00:18:21.800 Mustafa Raja: Okay.
207 00:18:22.280 ⇒ 00:18:23.909 Demilade Agboola: And then we wait for everything to be done.
208 00:18:24.720 ⇒ 00:18:28.449 Mustafa Raja: And then this, setting up DPT.
209 00:18:28.990 ⇒ 00:18:34.650 Demilade Agboola: Dbt setup should be, like, 4 hours.
210 00:18:36.720 ⇒ 00:18:43.010 Mustafa Raja: Okay, and Sanof, are you going to do this async, or are you going to meet with San?
211 00:18:43.010 ⇒ 00:18:49.320 Demilade Agboola: I have reached out to Stan, so I’m waiting for his response. Once, I get the response, I’ll be able to let you know.
212 00:18:50.520 ⇒ 00:18:51.140 Mustafa Raja: Okay.
213 00:18:52.050 ⇒ 00:18:54.650 Mustafa Raja: I guess if it’s a meeting, it’s going to be half hour, right?
214 00:18:54.980 ⇒ 00:18:58.860 Demilade Agboola: Yeah, yeah, but I did send… yeah, I sent a message, we’ll see what he said.
215 00:18:59.520 ⇒ 00:19:00.100 Mustafa Raja: Okay.
216 00:19:01.460 ⇒ 00:19:04.949 Mustafa Raja: And then, do you have an estimate for these ones?
217 00:19:08.990 ⇒ 00:19:11.070 Demilade Agboola: Natural definition and alignment.
218 00:19:11.610 ⇒ 00:19:13.070 Demilade Agboola: And then…
219 00:19:18.380 ⇒ 00:19:20.630 Demilade Agboola: For metric efficient alignment, that’s probably, like.
220 00:19:23.200 ⇒ 00:19:25.159 Demilade Agboola: Let’s say it’s… let’s say 2 hours.
221 00:19:25.720 ⇒ 00:19:27.270 Demilade Agboola: Might be… yeah.
222 00:19:27.860 ⇒ 00:19:36.060 Demilade Agboola: Data sources for metrics… I mean, that’s currently what we’re kind of doing, to be fair, so that might not take as long, so let’s just put 2 hours.
223 00:19:38.130 ⇒ 00:19:39.550 Mustafa Raja: Heather sauce is okay.
224 00:19:41.880 ⇒ 00:19:42.400 Demilade Agboola: It’s a model.
225 00:19:42.400 ⇒ 00:19:42.880 Mustafa Raja: gone.
226 00:19:43.030 ⇒ 00:19:45.790 Demilade Agboola: It’s probably, like, 10 hours, 8 to 10 hours of work.
227 00:19:45.950 ⇒ 00:19:47.030 Demilade Agboola: That’s insane.
228 00:19:47.030 ⇒ 00:19:51.690 Mustafa Raja: Okay, I’m just going to put in… And then dashboarding.
229 00:19:52.570 ⇒ 00:19:54.090 Demilade Agboola: I don’t know, 5 hours?
230 00:19:56.140 ⇒ 00:20:03.239 Mustafa Raja: Okay… So, for this, I’m… I believe it’s going to be the same, 10 and 5, right?
231 00:20:03.820 ⇒ 00:20:07.719 Demilade Agboola: Yeah, it might be. That’s just a 10-5.
232 00:20:12.210 ⇒ 00:20:14.380 Mustafa Raja: Okay, so building our chip, yeah?
233 00:20:15.170 ⇒ 00:20:16.129 Demilade Agboola: I’m gonna think.
234 00:20:16.450 ⇒ 00:20:19.589 Demilade Agboola: So 10 hours is effectively 3 hours.
235 00:20:21.480 ⇒ 00:20:24.260 Demilade Agboola: Okay, now as far as every day in the work… in the work week.
236 00:20:30.430 ⇒ 00:20:32.129 Demilade Agboola: That’s a fair estimation.
237 00:20:32.700 ⇒ 00:20:34.000 Demilade Agboola: I’m not trying to think.
238 00:20:34.460 ⇒ 00:20:36.920 Demilade Agboola: Yeah, that’s fine. Yeah, that’s the 10.
239 00:20:38.480 ⇒ 00:20:39.180 Mustafa Raja: Yeah.
240 00:20:39.340 ⇒ 00:20:40.120 Demilade Agboola: Yeah, that’s fair.
241 00:20:43.930 ⇒ 00:20:44.710 Mustafa Raja: Okay.
242 00:20:46.790 ⇒ 00:20:53.840 Mustafa Raja: This is good. How much do you reckon attribution work is going to take you for LinkedIn ads?
243 00:20:56.070 ⇒ 00:20:57.510 Demilade Agboola: Following the…
244 00:21:01.680 ⇒ 00:21:05.390 Demilade Agboola: Retribution work,
245 00:21:08.570 ⇒ 00:21:13.780 Demilade Agboola: or for LinkedIn ads, I don’t know, it depends on how much they have. Let’s just say, let’s just say 8 hours.
246 00:21:15.030 ⇒ 00:21:15.540 Mustafa Raja: Hmm…
247 00:21:15.540 ⇒ 00:21:19.730 Demilade Agboola: Here’s how much data they have, like, sorry, how much logic they have, but let’s just say 8 hours.
248 00:21:20.810 ⇒ 00:21:23.170 Mustafa Raja: And then 5 for Nash, right?
249 00:21:23.390 ⇒ 00:21:23.970 Demilade Agboola: Yeah.
250 00:21:26.340 ⇒ 00:21:28.510 Mustafa Raja: I guess this is going to be the same, then?
251 00:21:28.720 ⇒ 00:21:29.900 Mustafa Raja: 8 and 5?
252 00:21:36.490 ⇒ 00:21:45.140 Mustafa Raja: This would be 13 hours for you in the same week. Would you be comfortable? I think this was… this is… this should be like this, right?
253 00:21:45.370 ⇒ 00:21:49.639 Demilade Agboola: Yeah, normally, yeah, we don’t… because, yeah, you can’t model in the same time as you’re building.
254 00:21:49.640 ⇒ 00:21:54.659 Mustafa Raja: Oh, yeah. Makes sense. I’ll just move it a week ahead, then…
255 00:21:55.240 ⇒ 00:22:00.029 Mustafa Raja: And then… business logic, how much do you reckon this is going to take?
256 00:22:01.060 ⇒ 00:22:06.609 Demilade Agboola: the qualification model, I think that’s probably gonna take, like, 10 hours, to be honest.
257 00:22:07.580 ⇒ 00:22:12.600 Mustafa Raja: Okay, and then… Reverse ETL.
258 00:22:13.100 ⇒ 00:22:18.859 Mustafa Raja: Where are we doing this? Where are we putting this one? What’s the destination for this one?
259 00:22:19.230 ⇒ 00:22:23.400 Demilade Agboola: I think it’s also Catalyst, but… I will confirm.
260 00:22:23.910 ⇒ 00:22:24.570 Mustafa Raja: Okay.
261 00:22:25.190 ⇒ 00:22:29.770 Mustafa Raja: Okay, I believe… and how much do you think this would take you?
262 00:22:30.580 ⇒ 00:22:33.029 Demilade Agboola: Probably, like, 2 hours, or maybe 3.
263 00:22:34.220 ⇒ 00:22:34.940 Mustafa Raja: 3.
264 00:22:37.430 ⇒ 00:22:46.489 Mustafa Raja: Good, and then… Data Integration Pipeline ETL. I think I should remove this task, right?
265 00:22:46.770 ⇒ 00:22:49.889 Mustafa Raja: Because this really is just ingesting the data, right?
266 00:22:49.890 ⇒ 00:22:51.060 Demilade Agboola: Yeah, yeah.
267 00:22:52.940 ⇒ 00:23:02.149 Mustafa Raja: Okay, let me delete this… Good. Data attribution and modeling… this, I guess, would be 10, right?
268 00:23:05.030 ⇒ 00:23:06.320 Mustafa Raja: 10 and 2.
269 00:23:06.840 ⇒ 00:23:08.930 Mustafa Raja: Okay, this is 12 hours for you.
270 00:23:10.820 ⇒ 00:23:14.769 Mustafa Raja: Is that good? 12 hours of work? Next week?
271 00:23:18.740 ⇒ 00:23:28.700 Demilade Agboola: So, my issue is, it’s in the same week as the… as the… setting up DVT.
272 00:23:30.410 ⇒ 00:23:31.710 Demilade Agboola: Right…
273 00:23:33.190 ⇒ 00:23:33.960 Mustafa Raja: Yes.
274 00:23:33.960 ⇒ 00:23:43.910 Demilade Agboola: Alright, let’s see. Alright, let’s… let’s see. Because I don’t want to… I don’t want to… again, because we’re just setting up Mother Doc and everything, seeing that we’re going to start next week isn’t… isn’t…
275 00:23:44.930 ⇒ 00:23:48.629 Demilade Agboola: necessarily sure. I mean, I would like to, I want to, but, like…
276 00:23:50.460 ⇒ 00:23:59.780 Demilade Agboola: I don’t like everything being… relying on perfection, you get my point? Like, right now, everything has to go perfectly for us to start next week.
277 00:23:59.780 ⇒ 00:24:06.289 Mustafa Raja: Hmm, how do you… how do you think… what do you think about if I should move this to 2 weeks?
278 00:24:07.260 ⇒ 00:24:08.210 Demilade Agboola: Okay, sure.
279 00:24:09.240 ⇒ 00:24:13.189 Mustafa Raja: Right? Because then we have enough… Enough time, you know?
280 00:24:13.190 ⇒ 00:24:14.830 Demilade Agboola: Okay, sure, in that case.
281 00:24:18.850 ⇒ 00:24:24.639 Mustafa Raja: Let me know if you aren’t comfortable with this, because of course, this is overlapping this work.
282 00:24:26.300 ⇒ 00:24:28.570 Mustafa Raja: Oh, no, no, that’s fine, that’s just fine.
283 00:24:28.570 ⇒ 00:24:30.639 Demilade Agboola: Yeah, yeah, there’s just meetings and stuff.
284 00:24:31.200 ⇒ 00:24:33.479 Mustafa Raja: Okay, okay, then that’s good.
285 00:24:34.080 ⇒ 00:24:36.090 Mustafa Raja: That is good.
286 00:24:37.030 ⇒ 00:24:41.839 Mustafa Raja: Okay… I’m just going to increase one day here.
287 00:24:45.250 ⇒ 00:24:54.280 Mustafa Raja: Okay, then KPI development… I’d be working with you on this, and then dashboarding I can take over.
288 00:24:55.760 ⇒ 00:25:03.250 Mustafa Raja: And then, that’s pretty much it. Kpi, how much do you reckon this might take us?
289 00:25:04.920 ⇒ 00:25:05.420 Mustafa Raja: 5?
290 00:25:05.420 ⇒ 00:25:06.050 Demilade Agboola: Cool.
291 00:25:07.310 ⇒ 00:25:09.209 Demilade Agboola: For the metrics that she wants.
292 00:25:09.210 ⇒ 00:25:13.369 Mustafa Raja: So, KPI. Yeah, yeah, the metrics that, Lauren asked us for.
293 00:25:14.260 ⇒ 00:25:16.690 Demilade Agboola: We’ll see.
294 00:25:16.690 ⇒ 00:25:22.649 Mustafa Raja: Do you think this KPI development really is just, us going and debating and,
295 00:25:23.060 ⇒ 00:25:24.879 Mustafa Raja: Building columns or something?
296 00:25:25.380 ⇒ 00:25:30.149 Demilade Agboola: Yeah, because I’m wondering how… because I was going to ask, like, how is it different from the attribution of modeling?
297 00:25:35.500 ⇒ 00:25:37.209 Mustafa Raja: Yeah, you’re right.
298 00:25:37.650 ⇒ 00:25:39.009 Mustafa Raja: How is it different?
299 00:25:44.830 ⇒ 00:25:45.820 Mustafa Raja: Okay.
300 00:25:46.010 ⇒ 00:25:50.290 Mustafa Raja: I am then just going to delete this one also, right?
301 00:25:51.800 ⇒ 00:25:52.460 Demilade Agboola: Yeah, sure.
302 00:25:57.570 ⇒ 00:26:04.170 Mustafa Raja: I’m just going to move this back… Dashboarding is 5 hours.
303 00:26:04.750 ⇒ 00:26:06.310 Mustafa Raja: We’ve established that.
304 00:26:06.840 ⇒ 00:26:07.320 Demilade Agboola: Yeah.
305 00:26:07.580 ⇒ 00:26:15.000 Mustafa Raja: For the sign-off, for the time being, I’m just calling them half-hour meetings.
306 00:26:15.360 ⇒ 00:26:15.790 Demilade Agboola: Okay.
307 00:26:15.790 ⇒ 00:26:20.390 Mustafa Raja: We can update them on the go, if we feel like it.
308 00:26:30.660 ⇒ 00:26:31.680 Mustafa Raja: Okay.
309 00:26:33.930 ⇒ 00:26:38.630 Mustafa Raja: Yeah, I still think the ingest data to Mother Dog, this is still ambitious.
310 00:26:41.470 ⇒ 00:26:43.029 Demilade Agboola: Do you still think it’s so ambitious?
311 00:26:43.460 ⇒ 00:26:48.720 Mustafa Raja: Yeah, I… what I’m going to do is… I’m going to unlink it.
312 00:26:51.150 ⇒ 00:26:52.310 Mustafa Raja: Okay, this is the.
313 00:26:52.310 ⇒ 00:26:55.840 Demilade Agboola: Well, we do have the buffer with, like, setting up dbt, though, so…
314 00:26:55.840 ⇒ 00:26:56.560 Mustafa Raja: Yeah.
315 00:26:58.920 ⇒ 00:27:05.480 Mustafa Raja: what do you feel about this now? This is, like, a template, right? This isn’t the absolute thing, right?
316 00:27:05.480 ⇒ 00:27:05.940 Demilade Agboola: energy.
317 00:27:05.940 ⇒ 00:27:14.440 Mustafa Raja: Get data from other dot isn’t dependent on, sorry, dbt isn’t depend… dependent on the polyatomic setups, right?
318 00:27:14.440 ⇒ 00:27:25.150 Demilade Agboola: No, no, no, it’s not. It’s just basically… it won’t just have any data to utilize, but the setting of dbt will be things like, you know, connecting it to Mother Doc, connecting it to…
319 00:27:25.410 ⇒ 00:27:29.389 Demilade Agboola: Yeah, connecting to Mother Duck, basically.
320 00:27:29.780 ⇒ 00:27:37.640 Mustafa Raja: Yeah, I guess, I guess, yeah, I guess the main risk here would be that…
321 00:27:37.940 ⇒ 00:27:45.040 Mustafa Raja: we get data for this workstream and this work stream. If we don’t, then these two would be blocked.
322 00:27:45.490 ⇒ 00:27:46.589 Demilade Agboola: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
323 00:27:46.590 ⇒ 00:27:49.789 Mustafa Raja: So, what we need is Salesforce Plane.
324 00:27:49.950 ⇒ 00:27:57.609 Mustafa Raja: And product data. And then, do you know what data sources are required for this?
325 00:27:59.540 ⇒ 00:28:01.460 Demilade Agboola: Do I know what data sources are required for what?
326 00:28:01.890 ⇒ 00:28:04.850 Mustafa Raja: For, for GTM and revenue.
327 00:28:05.260 ⇒ 00:28:06.989 Mustafa Raja: for Laura’s work stream?
328 00:28:08.050 ⇒ 00:28:14.350 Demilade Agboola: I can’t remember the metrics he’s looking for, again, off the top of my head, but, like, a lot of them will probably be stuff around products.
329 00:28:15.260 ⇒ 00:28:22.020 Mustafa Raja: Yeah, I remember that, she wanted, some revenue thing, so I guess it would be…
330 00:28:22.020 ⇒ 00:28:23.570 Demilade Agboola: We like product stuff.
331 00:28:24.280 ⇒ 00:28:32.800 Mustafa Raja: Okay, okay. Okay. So, so let’s push for the, push for access to the, for these sources, right?
332 00:28:33.380 ⇒ 00:28:36.300 Mustafa Raja: I’m going to… I’m going to mention the sources…
333 00:28:36.710 ⇒ 00:28:45.580 Mustafa Raja: Or… Lauren’s screen here, and then… You could recon… for… Orange.
334 00:28:46.880 ⇒ 00:28:47.580 Mustafa Raja: Truly.
335 00:28:51.870 ⇒ 00:29:02.510 Mustafa Raja: conduct data… Then we need Salesforce… Then we need plain.
336 00:29:02.940 ⇒ 00:29:04.290 Mustafa Raja: In ticketing.
337 00:29:05.660 ⇒ 00:29:06.750 Mustafa Raja: Software.
338 00:29:11.950 ⇒ 00:29:20.999 Mustafa Raja: Okay, this is for Lauren, and I guess you could recall, what Laura needed, and push for the sources at least.
339 00:29:21.620 ⇒ 00:29:23.140 Mustafa Raja: For this week.
340 00:29:24.160 ⇒ 00:29:24.940 Demilade Agboola: Yeah, sure.
341 00:29:26.540 ⇒ 00:29:28.349 Mustafa Raja: Okay, I guess we have a plan then, right?
342 00:29:28.650 ⇒ 00:29:29.649 Demilade Agboola: Yeah, sounds good.
343 00:29:30.500 ⇒ 00:29:31.569 Mustafa Raja: Okay, thank you.
344 00:29:35.130 ⇒ 00:29:35.620 Demilade Agboola: Alright.
345 00:29:35.620 ⇒ 00:29:36.150 Mustafa Raja: Have a great day.
346 00:29:36.150 ⇒ 00:29:37.320 Demilade Agboola: Okay, yeah.
347 00:29:37.940 ⇒ 00:29:39.880 Mustafa Raja: How was your weekend? Sorry I didn’t ask.
348 00:29:40.180 ⇒ 00:29:45.500 Demilade Agboola: Oh, no, it was pretty good, it was fine. I played a bunch of tennis, and just rested and cooked.
349 00:29:45.500 ⇒ 00:29:51.290 Mustafa Raja: Yeah, I need to do some… I need to do some physical supports myself… physical sports myself, too.
350 00:29:51.950 ⇒ 00:29:54.510 Demilade Agboola: Yeah, it’s quite nice, especially, like.
351 00:29:54.670 ⇒ 00:29:58.909 Demilade Agboola: Turnitis in particular is a really nice… it’s a pretty challenging spot, but it’s pretty nice as well.
352 00:29:59.090 ⇒ 00:30:01.680 Mustafa Raja: Yeah, I do badminton, I don’t do tennis.
353 00:30:01.680 ⇒ 00:30:06.389 Demilade Agboola: Oh, yeah. I think that’s also nicer on the knees, too, so…
354 00:30:06.390 ⇒ 00:30:09.639 Mustafa Raja: Yeah, I agree.
355 00:30:09.840 ⇒ 00:30:12.640 Demilade Agboola: Also, I was gonna ask, you just got the M4 Pro, right?
356 00:30:13.100 ⇒ 00:30:13.910 Mustafa Raja: Oh, yeah.
357 00:30:14.110 ⇒ 00:30:17.760 Demilade Agboola: Okay, nice, nice. Do you… are you enjoying the computer?
358 00:30:18.410 ⇒ 00:30:26.879 Mustafa Raja: Oh, yeah, I love it. I… so it’s, it’s with 24, GBs of RAM, and then a terabyte of storage.
359 00:30:27.810 ⇒ 00:30:33.539 Demilade Agboola: Well, that’s pretty good, you should be… you should be fine with it. So I was… I was actually thinking of getting the M4 Pro, like, before.
360 00:30:34.130 ⇒ 00:30:37.210 Mustafa Raja: I think M5 Pro is coming up, so…
361 00:30:37.210 ⇒ 00:30:42.489 Demilade Agboola: Yeah, I know that, but I was just saying, like, this was, like, last year, not even this year, I was thinking of getting last year.
362 00:30:42.720 ⇒ 00:30:53.129 Demilade Agboola: But then, I already had… I’m using the M3 Pro, so I was just like, I’m not… I don’t want to keep just upgrading. And my… like, to be fair, I didn’t need it. It was… it’s just because it was…
363 00:30:53.550 ⇒ 00:30:56.369 Demilade Agboola: It was nice, and my M3 Pro is an 18GB.
364 00:30:57.020 ⇒ 00:30:58.669 Mustafa Raja: Oh, that’s nice.
365 00:30:58.670 ⇒ 00:31:09.680 Demilade Agboola: Yeah, so it’s like, I was just like, you know what, I just want to have it, but it was just… it was not necessary, and it’s like a 500GB storage. But I’ll probably just use this for maybe, like, another, like, maybe 3 years.
366 00:31:10.080 ⇒ 00:31:10.810 Mustafa Raja: Oh!
367 00:31:10.810 ⇒ 00:31:12.000 Demilade Agboola: Probably within, like, the air.
368 00:31:12.000 ⇒ 00:31:17.310 Mustafa Raja: It was, like, 3 years now. I didn’t fly. No, no, no.
369 00:31:17.310 ⇒ 00:31:23.420 Demilade Agboola: It’s only asked for 1 year. I said I’ll use it for another 3 years, so I’ll probably wait till the M8 or something.
370 00:31:23.550 ⇒ 00:31:27.010 Mustafa Raja: M7 M8, and I’ll probably try and buy, like, a…
371 00:31:27.730 ⇒ 00:31:30.909 Demilade Agboola: 32GB or 48 gig RAM.
372 00:31:30.910 ⇒ 00:31:32.689 Mustafa Raja: Yeah, you know what?
373 00:31:33.310 ⇒ 00:31:34.100 Demilade Agboola: Quality Day.
374 00:31:34.100 ⇒ 00:31:38.139 Mustafa Raja: Yeah, yeah, you know why I got this? So…
375 00:31:38.140 ⇒ 00:31:55.289 Mustafa Raja: Prior to this, what I had was a Mac Mini, right? So, I didn’t have any laptop at all. So, I was, like, stuck on my, you know, workstation, on my desk, and, you know, with this laptop, what I could do is I could, you know.
376 00:31:55.290 ⇒ 00:31:55.720 Demilade Agboola: go out.
377 00:31:55.720 ⇒ 00:32:01.129 Mustafa Raja: sofa or something like that. It gives me mobility, which I didn’t have.
378 00:32:01.130 ⇒ 00:32:02.220 Demilade Agboola: Yikes.
379 00:32:02.220 ⇒ 00:32:13.489 Mustafa Raja: And I really needed it. So, I was like, yeah, so I had an M4 Mac Mini, so, I wanted at least an MacBook Pro with M4 chip.
380 00:32:13.610 ⇒ 00:32:21.470 Mustafa Raja: But when I got there, to buy one, they showed me this one, and I… and I fell in love with this.
381 00:32:22.070 ⇒ 00:32:25.350 Demilade Agboola: Oh, no, yeah, it sounds like a pretty good spec, to be honest.
382 00:32:25.700 ⇒ 00:32:26.560 Mustafa Raja: Yeah.
383 00:32:26.560 ⇒ 00:32:27.809 Demilade Agboola: Sounds like a very, very good factor.
384 00:32:27.810 ⇒ 00:32:35.369 Mustafa Raja: I just said, yeah, I’m going to get it for, like… I’m going to use it for, like, next 5 years. Yeah, that’s what I said, that’s what I did.
385 00:32:35.370 ⇒ 00:32:40.559 Demilade Agboola: That’s why I said, like, I wasn’t going to buy the M4, because I had a friend who works in, Apple.
386 00:32:40.910 ⇒ 00:32:41.740 Mustafa Raja: Yeah. Nice.
387 00:32:42.040 ⇒ 00:32:47.569 Demilade Agboola: And then he had, like, a 15% discount for friends and families that he could have used.
388 00:32:48.320 ⇒ 00:32:56.040 Demilade Agboola: So I was like, should I use it and get the M4? Especially because the M3 in particular was not the biggest upgrade. I think, actually, it was a downgrade on the M2.
389 00:32:56.040 ⇒ 00:32:56.449 Mustafa Raja: That’s okay.
390 00:32:56.450 ⇒ 00:32:57.710 Demilade Agboola: Nice, it is, yeah.
391 00:32:58.020 ⇒ 00:33:02.140 Demilade Agboola: It wasn’t the biggest upgrade. M4 was where they made a nice jump from M2 to M4.
392 00:33:02.730 ⇒ 00:33:03.510 Mustafa Raja: Yeah.
393 00:33:03.510 ⇒ 00:33:03.960 Demilade Agboola: So…
394 00:33:03.960 ⇒ 00:33:16.299 Mustafa Raja: I think M5 is going to be crazy, because, because I think the new chip, the simple M5 chip that they launched is crazy good.
395 00:33:16.590 ⇒ 00:33:32.370 Mustafa Raja: I just couldn’t get my hands on it, and I compared M4 Pro with M5, and I still think… thought that M4 Pro has more value. I was getting both of them at this… I think this M4 Pro was expensive.
396 00:33:32.580 ⇒ 00:33:35.059 Mustafa Raja: But I saw more value in this one.
397 00:33:38.830 ⇒ 00:33:39.999 Demilade Agboola: Well, that’s fair, that’s fair.
398 00:33:41.040 ⇒ 00:33:43.679 Demilade Agboola: I’ll probably, I’ll probably just wait till.
399 00:33:44.810 ⇒ 00:33:46.649 Mustafa Raja: Yeah, I think it’s smart.
400 00:33:46.650 ⇒ 00:33:47.290 Demilade Agboola: eats.
401 00:33:47.600 ⇒ 00:33:52.040 Mustafa Raja: Yeah, I also wouldn’t want to be stuck in this loop.
402 00:33:52.040 ⇒ 00:33:52.720 Demilade Agboola: Yeah, yeah.
403 00:33:52.720 ⇒ 00:33:56.920 Mustafa Raja: Going into anyone, this is a bad habit, to be honest.
404 00:33:56.920 ⇒ 00:34:02.049 Demilade Agboola: Yeah, I’ve stopped that. Like, right now, I’m using only…
405 00:34:02.930 ⇒ 00:34:05.820 Demilade Agboola: I’m probably only… like, my iPhone is the iPhone 13 Pro.
406 00:34:06.030 ⇒ 00:34:13.109 Demilade Agboola: I don’t feel the need to change, but I probably will have to change, like, next year, because I know that… I think next year is the last year of updates for this one.
407 00:34:13.110 ⇒ 00:34:14.270 Mustafa Raja: Oh, okay, okay.
408 00:34:14.270 ⇒ 00:34:21.679 Demilade Agboola: Yeah, my Pixel is the Pixel 8 Pro. I’m going to wait till, like, the Pixel 13.
409 00:34:21.860 ⇒ 00:34:24.550 Demilade Agboola: Before I make an upgrade to, like, the pixel effect, like…
410 00:34:24.600 ⇒ 00:34:29.689 Mustafa Raja: I’m not… I’m over the need to buy devices every year. It’s a waste of money.
411 00:34:33.850 ⇒ 00:34:41.159 Mustafa Raja: Okay, what’s the… what’s the use case for both Android and Apple?
412 00:34:42.360 ⇒ 00:34:51.740 Demilade Agboola: For me, I just like to… I like the basic to have both ecosystems. Like, for instance, one of the apps I use for my tenants is literally on iOS only.
413 00:34:52.110 ⇒ 00:35:02.000 Demilade Agboola: If I only had a Pixel, I wouldn’t have the advantage of that. And I just like Pixels, to be fair. I think Pixels are some of the best phones you can get. So, I have both,
414 00:35:02.850 ⇒ 00:35:14.860 Demilade Agboola: And again, it just allows me to have the best of both worlds. There’s nothing… people go like, oh, this is an Android thing, and I call it, I use my Android phone for it. If it’s an iOS thing, I use my iOS phone for it.
415 00:35:15.200 ⇒ 00:35:16.490 Demilade Agboola: Yum.
416 00:35:17.060 ⇒ 00:35:18.470 Demilade Agboola: Yeah, so I get it.
417 00:35:18.470 ⇒ 00:35:23.740 Mustafa Raja: I’m in love with the foldables, but those are expensive.
418 00:35:24.000 ⇒ 00:35:25.569 Demilade Agboola: Oh yes, yes, they’re expensive.
419 00:35:26.190 ⇒ 00:35:31.459 Mustafa Raja: Too expensive right now. So, maybe when they get a little affordable?
420 00:35:31.610 ⇒ 00:35:32.460 Mustafa Raja: Hmm.
421 00:35:32.680 ⇒ 00:35:42.500 Mustafa Raja: I’d get one. So, I don’t think that you would know this, but, phones in Pakistan are twice the price they would be in the US or anywhere else in the world.
422 00:35:43.700 ⇒ 00:35:44.660 Demilade Agboola: Why?
423 00:35:45.160 ⇒ 00:35:46.950 Mustafa Raja: Detects it.
424 00:35:47.320 ⇒ 00:35:48.160 Demilade Agboola: Oh, wow.
425 00:35:48.590 ⇒ 00:36:01.229 Mustafa Raja: Yeah, the tax hit the amount of… the value of the phone. So the value of the phone… so, if I’m getting a 600 in taxes. So, I’m actually paying $1,200.
426 00:36:01.670 ⇒ 00:36:04.120 Demilade Agboola: So why don’t you just, like, I’m curious, why…
427 00:36:05.140 ⇒ 00:36:08.669 Demilade Agboola: Is it only phones? What about laptops? Laptops are laptops, fine.
428 00:36:09.070 ⇒ 00:36:13.630 Mustafa Raja: Yeah. Laptops is… We don’t have any taxes at all on laptops.
429 00:36:15.270 ⇒ 00:36:15.800 Demilade Agboola: And that’s…
430 00:36:15.800 ⇒ 00:36:17.349 Mustafa Raja: Pakistan, other Pakistani food.
431 00:36:17.350 ⇒ 00:36:17.890 Demilade Agboola: ones.
432 00:36:18.240 ⇒ 00:36:25.020 Mustafa Raja: Sorry? No. They do have those, but those are not, you know, those are not the,
433 00:36:25.340 ⇒ 00:36:26.960 Mustafa Raja: The really good ones, you know?
434 00:36:27.150 ⇒ 00:36:36.650 Demilade Agboola: So my issue is, like, if they had the Pakistani phones, I could get that they were trying to do it to save the… to make people buy the local-made phones.
435 00:36:36.980 ⇒ 00:36:41.370 Demilade Agboola: But I’m not sure, like, I don’t get the logic of having, like, double the price on…
436 00:36:41.680 ⇒ 00:36:57.230 Mustafa Raja: Yeah, yeah. So, they don’t have double the price on every single phone, right? So, they have a threshold of price. How pricey is the phone, you know? So, I think it’s around 700, you’ve got to pay this tax.
437 00:36:58.040 ⇒ 00:36:59.060 Demilade Agboola: That’s crazy.
438 00:36:59.230 ⇒ 00:37:04.779 Demilade Agboola: So, if you’re going to buy a top-end phone, you have to basically travel or something, or get a friend by for you and.
439 00:37:04.780 ⇒ 00:37:20.579 Mustafa Raja: That’s not going to work. Oh, really? If you go… so for me, I could easily go to UAE and get a phone and come back, right? It’s a lot cheaper. But what happens is, it’s going to work for a month.
440 00:37:21.120 ⇒ 00:37:23.919 Mustafa Raja: And then,
441 00:37:23.920 ⇒ 00:37:41.309 Mustafa Raja: we have this institution, PTA, and what they do is they regulate all of the, networks here, right? Connections here. So, they would detect, okay, this phone… this phone, hasn’t paid this tax.
442 00:37:41.310 ⇒ 00:37:43.999 Mustafa Raja: But they have this cellular,
443 00:37:44.000 ⇒ 00:37:48.910 Mustafa Raja: connection, right? So they, they just cut off. The SIM wouldn’t work.
444 00:37:50.740 ⇒ 00:38:09.959 Mustafa Raja: So you’re just left with a phone with… that this isn’t going to work with any sort of sim in Pakistan. So the phone really… either you get a separate phone with it, a lot cheaper, and put your SIM in that, keep your phone, you know?
445 00:38:11.120 ⇒ 00:38:13.929 Demilade Agboola: I use that, use, like, Wi-Fi for that, and use that as, like, a.
446 00:38:13.930 ⇒ 00:38:22.699 Mustafa Raja: Yeah, yeah, yeah. You use that for hotspot and attend your calls, and then you have this phone as, you know, whatever.
447 00:38:24.140 ⇒ 00:38:25.040 Demilade Agboola: Wow.
448 00:38:25.400 ⇒ 00:38:26.290 Demilade Agboola: That’s crazy.
449 00:38:26.290 ⇒ 00:38:36.939 Mustafa Raja: I know a lot of people that do this. I know a lot of people that have two phones, one a lot cheaper, in which they would put their SIM in, and then
450 00:38:36.940 ⇒ 00:38:47.150 Mustafa Raja: one way… one iPhone or something, for which they haven’t paid the tax. And it’s legal, you can do this. They don’t… they don’t restrict us.
451 00:38:47.890 ⇒ 00:38:54.010 Demilade Agboola: Interesting. That’s very fun. I would never have guessed, but the more you know, that’s quite fascinating.
452 00:38:54.310 ⇒ 00:38:55.100 Mustafa Raja: Yeah.
453 00:38:57.070 ⇒ 00:39:03.770 Mustafa Raja: So this is… this is… this is the regulations that they have. And I think that they do this to save some foreign exchange.
454 00:39:03.900 ⇒ 00:39:09.360 Mustafa Raja: I think they consider, they consider iPhones and stuff like this a luxury.
455 00:39:09.470 ⇒ 00:39:10.180 Mustafa Raja: You know?
456 00:39:10.510 ⇒ 00:39:27.870 Mustafa Raja: And have those tax… and justify those taxes like this. They say that this is a luxury, you could use a phone, a lot cheaper phone. So, and we pay… we have to pay U.S. to bring these… US dollars to bring these in, and we want to regulate that.
457 00:39:28.130 ⇒ 00:39:30.110 Mustafa Raja: Is what they would say.
458 00:39:30.630 ⇒ 00:39:31.900 Demilade Agboola: Fair enough.
459 00:39:31.900 ⇒ 00:39:37.949 Mustafa Raja: Which is fair, because pakistan isn’t economically very strong, you know?
460 00:39:41.430 ⇒ 00:39:43.169 Demilade Agboola: Fair enough, fair enough, that makes a lot of sense.
461 00:39:43.380 ⇒ 00:39:45.989 Mustafa Raja: Yeah, the same logic applies to cars.
462 00:39:46.410 ⇒ 00:39:46.910 Mustafa Raja: So…
463 00:39:46.910 ⇒ 00:39:49.070 Demilade Agboola: Oh, cars that doubled the price?
464 00:39:49.540 ⇒ 00:39:55.389 Mustafa Raja: Yeah, cars are double the price. Whatever you’re getting in US, you’ll pay double here.
465 00:39:56.830 ⇒ 00:40:03.139 Demilade Agboola: Wow. I think for the Chinese ones, they don’t have the tax.
466 00:40:03.680 ⇒ 00:40:04.740 Demilade Agboola: Okay, okay.
467 00:40:04.740 ⇒ 00:40:10.110 Mustafa Raja: Especially the EVs, because they’re trying to shift from petrol to EV.
468 00:40:10.110 ⇒ 00:40:10.430 Demilade Agboola: Oh, God.
469 00:40:10.430 ⇒ 00:40:14.579 Mustafa Raja: They’re building the infrastructure for that. The roads here are nice.
470 00:40:15.010 ⇒ 00:40:22.469 Mustafa Raja: The roads here are nice, but the EV infrastructure isn’t really nice.
471 00:40:22.910 ⇒ 00:40:32.859 Mustafa Raja: There aren’t a lot of charges. There are charges within the city, but if you want to travel from one city to another, you’d want to, you know, have a stop.
472 00:40:33.280 ⇒ 00:40:35.499 Mustafa Raja: Midway to recharge.
473 00:40:35.780 ⇒ 00:40:44.119 Mustafa Raja: And that infrastructure just isn’t there right now. Or if it is there, it’s really expensive. They’re charging a lot… a lot for those charges.
474 00:40:44.630 ⇒ 00:40:45.540 Demilade Agboola: Nice.
475 00:40:45.540 ⇒ 00:40:50.190 Mustafa Raja: And those are… those are, like, private charges, not… not the ones supplied by the government.
476 00:40:51.000 ⇒ 00:40:55.349 Mustafa Raja: The government here, right now, that’s working is really nice.
477 00:40:56.070 ⇒ 00:40:58.210 Mustafa Raja: They’ve done a lot of good work here.
478 00:40:59.760 ⇒ 00:41:05.020 Mustafa Raja: Pakistan really didn’t have a lot of political stability, it’s just…
479 00:41:05.230 ⇒ 00:41:09.579 Mustafa Raja: Do you keep up with the politics?
480 00:41:11.160 ⇒ 00:41:13.439 Demilade Agboola: Yeah, I do, I tried, I tried to.
481 00:41:14.190 ⇒ 00:41:16.529 Mustafa Raja: That’s nice, I do.
482 00:41:17.460 ⇒ 00:41:21.410 Demilade Agboola: I try to, but I mean, obviously, you can’t keep up with every single country.
483 00:41:21.980 ⇒ 00:41:24.930 Mustafa Raja: I keep up with Pakistan because I live here, right?
484 00:41:24.930 ⇒ 00:41:27.540 Demilade Agboola: Oh, definitely. Definitely. You keep up… you have to keep up with…
485 00:41:27.540 ⇒ 00:41:33.120 Mustafa Raja: It’ll be weird for me to not give…
486 00:41:35.680 ⇒ 00:41:36.620 Demilade Agboola: Okay.
487 00:41:36.870 ⇒ 00:41:39.670 Demilade Agboola: Alright then, I think I’ll just hop off now.
488 00:41:39.920 ⇒ 00:41:44.750 Demilade Agboola: Yeah, yeah. Try and get some dinner, and then try and plug your way at some of this polyatomic stuff.
489 00:41:45.810 ⇒ 00:41:47.350 Mustafa Raja: Megan, nice talking to you.
490 00:41:47.350 ⇒ 00:41:49.630 Demilade Agboola: Nice talking to you, too. Take care of yourself.
491 00:41:49.630 ⇒ 00:41:51.479 Mustafa Raja: Yeah, have a good day.
492 00:41:51.860 ⇒ 00:41:52.560 Mustafa Raja: Bye.