Meeting Title: BF Interview: Hannah <> Joe Date: 2025-12-22 Meeting participants: Joe Lewandowski, Hannah Wang
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1 00:05:33.150 ⇒ 00:05:35.019 Hannah Wang: Major, how’s it going?
2 00:05:35.700 ⇒ 00:05:37.019 Joe Lewandowski: Hi, how are you?
3 00:05:37.850 ⇒ 00:05:39.079 Hannah Wang: I’m doing well.
4 00:05:39.180 ⇒ 00:05:44.939 Hannah Wang: Are you based in New York, I… or maybe not?
5 00:05:44.940 ⇒ 00:05:46.850 Joe Lewandowski: Yeah, yeah, New York City.
6 00:05:46.850 ⇒ 00:05:51.400 Hannah Wang: Okay, awesome. Yeah, I’m in… I’m in LA, so… It’s…
7 00:05:51.650 ⇒ 00:05:56.070 Hannah Wang: I guess, not sunny today, as a stereotype.
8 00:05:56.170 ⇒ 00:05:57.769 Hannah Wang: But yeah.
9 00:05:57.770 ⇒ 00:06:05.639 Joe Lewandowski: It’s better than the zero degree weather we have right now in New York. It’s zero degrees. Yeah, it’s been, like, freezing the last, like, week or so.
10 00:06:05.640 ⇒ 00:06:08.369 Hannah Wang: Where in New York are you?
11 00:06:08.670 ⇒ 00:06:09.630 Joe Lewandowski: Queens?
12 00:06:09.820 ⇒ 00:06:11.030 Hannah Wang: Queens? Okay.
13 00:06:11.350 ⇒ 00:06:14.250 Hannah Wang: Wow, that’s… That’s cold.
14 00:06:15.130 ⇒ 00:06:25.639 Hannah Wang: I’ve lived here basically my whole life, so I feel like I’ve been spoiled by… what is it, probably, like, 60 degrees Fahrenheit right now.
15 00:06:25.780 ⇒ 00:06:28.780 Hannah Wang: And yet, I’m still wearing a puffer, dope.
16 00:06:29.480 ⇒ 00:06:30.100 Hannah Wang: Anyway.
17 00:06:30.100 ⇒ 00:06:34.860 Joe Lewandowski: Yeah, my apartment’s on a corner, so the wind just kind of cuts through it, so…
18 00:06:35.370 ⇒ 00:06:38.549 Joe Lewandowski: Definitely, usually bundled up, even though I’m inside.
19 00:06:38.550 ⇒ 00:06:42.889 Hannah Wang: Is that a thing, though? Like, the corner units getting colder?
20 00:06:43.140 ⇒ 00:06:51.119 Joe Lewandowski: Yeah, especially, like, I feel… I don’t know, I feel like the last few years in New York has been, like, way windier than usual.
21 00:06:51.950 ⇒ 00:06:59.650 Joe Lewandowski: But, yeah, so, like, the corner units, and then if you have, like, an AC unit in your window, it doesn’t really secure very well, so…
22 00:07:00.750 ⇒ 00:07:05.239 Joe Lewandowski: And it’s just kind of a hassle to take it out over the winter, so I just kind of deal with it.
23 00:07:05.240 ⇒ 00:07:10.339 Hannah Wang: Okay, that kind of makes sense. I’m also on the corner of my… my building.
24 00:07:10.610 ⇒ 00:07:15.020 Hannah Wang: And it’s like… If I don’t turn on the heater.
25 00:07:15.500 ⇒ 00:07:35.179 Hannah Wang: it’s just so cold in here, and I’m like, it’s so stupid. It’s, like, the same temperature inside and outside. That’s why I… I literally have blankets everywhere, because I’m, like, always cold. I feel you. Yeah, I think you talked to Utolam last week? How did that… how did that go?
26 00:07:35.180 ⇒ 00:07:42.409 Joe Lewandowski: Good! Definitely sounds like, you know, like an opportunity where I feel like I can contribute, and…
27 00:07:42.580 ⇒ 00:07:45.839 Joe Lewandowski: You know, super nice guy, explained basically everything, and…
28 00:07:45.840 ⇒ 00:07:46.400 Hannah Wang: Yeah.
29 00:07:46.400 ⇒ 00:07:49.279 Joe Lewandowski: It’s just, like, cool vibe, I guess, you know?
30 00:07:49.550 ⇒ 00:07:55.950 Hannah Wang: Yeah, he is a very… He’s super chill, and he has a good head on his shoulder.
31 00:07:55.950 ⇒ 00:08:01.669 Joe Lewandowski: Yeah, and he kind of laid out everything that, you know, he was thinking, and it was, you know, super clear, like, he wasn’t really…
32 00:08:02.400 ⇒ 00:08:05.560 Joe Lewandowski: kind of, like, understand, I think, what he needs, and…
33 00:08:05.970 ⇒ 00:08:07.629 Joe Lewandowski: What you guys are looking for?
34 00:08:07.990 ⇒ 00:08:12.940 Hannah Wang: And what was that exactly that he said? Was it more around, like, deck kind of creation?
35 00:08:12.940 ⇒ 00:08:23.749 Joe Lewandowski: Yeah, he was kind of more focused on… on, like, the deck stuff, but I guess he said it technically, I guess, could evolve if you guys need help, but… Yeah. You know, he basically said you guys are a pretty small team right now.
36 00:08:24.030 ⇒ 00:08:30.280 Hannah Wang: Yeah, so it’s just me… I… well, me and another designer. She’s in the Philippines.
37 00:08:30.580 ⇒ 00:08:30.970 Joe Lewandowski: Okay.
38 00:08:30.970 ⇒ 00:08:43.910 Hannah Wang: I’m obviously in the United States, so she… a lot of our overseas people work, US hours, I don’t know how they do that, but they do. But… and she’s our other designer, she doesn’t, so…
39 00:08:44.169 ⇒ 00:08:45.980 Hannah Wang: I think it’s just a bit…
40 00:08:46.240 ⇒ 00:08:57.600 Hannah Wang: difficult to work synchronously, even though we are, like, a remote-first company, it is nice to have some overlapping hours, so I do think there’s a bit of a… a challenge in…
41 00:08:57.650 ⇒ 00:09:14.919 Hannah Wang: just if, like, requirements are not fully scoped out, it just takes more business days to get things through. So, yeah, super stoked to bring on someone where you’re U.S.-based, or at least working U.S. hours. So, I will kind of give you the lay of the land, and…
42 00:09:15.380 ⇒ 00:09:24.249 Hannah Wang: Yeah, we can go from there. So, I’m going to share my entire screen, and hopefully I don’t expose myself too much.
43 00:09:24.970 ⇒ 00:09:28.369 Hannah Wang: Okay, so… let’s see.
44 00:09:28.490 ⇒ 00:09:33.670 Hannah Wang: I will… I kind of wrote down notes for what to walk through with you, so…
45 00:09:33.900 ⇒ 00:09:40.620 Hannah Wang: I’ll start off with our project management system. We use Linear, not like Jira or any of the.
46 00:09:40.620 ⇒ 00:09:41.180 Joe Lewandowski: Okay.
47 00:09:41.180 ⇒ 00:09:50.359 Hannah Wang: Platforms that you might have heard of, so this might take a little bit of maybe getting used to, but once you get the hang of it, it’s just any project management system.
48 00:09:50.360 ⇒ 00:10:08.099 Hannah Wang: So we run on weekly sprints, and we have planning sessions and stand-ups, but I feel like you don’t need to join them if you don’t… if you can’t, but if you join, like, one or here or there, I think it’d be helpful just to…
49 00:10:08.570 ⇒ 00:10:13.840 Hannah Wang: I don’t know, kind of see what we do, but typically, yeah, we…
50 00:10:14.120 ⇒ 00:10:17.890 Joe Lewandowski: Push out a lot of assets that the sales team can use.
51 00:10:17.890 ⇒ 00:10:28.790 Hannah Wang: So a lot of case studies, as you can see, that I… I need to review, because it’s backlog for me. It’s on my to-dos, and a lot of new decks. So,
52 00:10:29.000 ⇒ 00:10:30.080 Hannah Wang: These…
53 00:10:31.330 ⇒ 00:10:37.650 Hannah Wang: As you can see, like, it was created 6 weeks ago. I mean, clearly it’s not super urgent, but I.
54 00:10:37.650 ⇒ 00:10:38.280 Joe Lewandowski: Yeah, yeah.
55 00:10:38.280 ⇒ 00:10:44.799 Hannah Wang: nice for Utam or our other sales folks to have on their call. But…
56 00:10:44.900 ⇒ 00:10:59.590 Hannah Wang: this is kind of typically how we start the process, so usually in Slack, Utom, or someone else is like, oh, it’d be nice to have this type of deck, and then we try to groom the ticket and prioritize it accordingly, and then, we bring it into linear.
57 00:10:59.790 ⇒ 00:11:03.029 Hannah Wang: And… I guess the…
58 00:11:03.710 ⇒ 00:11:08.930 Hannah Wang: The interesting part of working at a data and AI company is that we use a lot of AI.
59 00:11:09.080 ⇒ 00:11:09.810 Joe Lewandowski: So…
60 00:11:09.810 ⇒ 00:11:12.629 Hannah Wang: Obviously, so I think…
61 00:11:13.090 ⇒ 00:11:28.229 Hannah Wang: it’s… it was a bit of a challenge for me in the beginning, not having everything, like, fully scoped out in terms of, like, okay, this is the first slide, this is the second slide, so maybe something like this. This is something I came up with, it wasn’t, like.
62 00:11:28.420 ⇒ 00:11:37.659 Hannah Wang: yeah, I’ll kind of get into how I created the outline, but for this one, like, yeah, we kind of want a new product analytics-focused deck, but…
63 00:11:38.270 ⇒ 00:11:41.719 Hannah Wang: There’s, like, not much… outline or anything, and…
64 00:11:41.720 ⇒ 00:11:42.400 Joe Lewandowski: Yeah.
65 00:11:42.400 ⇒ 00:11:48.759 Hannah Wang: Usually what happens is UTAM or whoever kind of gives, like, a general.
66 00:11:48.900 ⇒ 00:11:53.610 Hannah Wang: blurb about, like, oh, this is what we want to use it for, and they try to give us…
67 00:11:53.820 ⇒ 00:12:02.429 Hannah Wang: material that we can run with and throw into AI to produce an outline. So for instance, like this one,
68 00:12:02.680 ⇒ 00:12:13.500 Hannah Wang: product analytics. There’s a couple sales calls that Utam had regarding product analytics for, a couple of prospects, and so I’ll kind of show you what that…
69 00:12:13.640 ⇒ 00:12:16.820 Hannah Wang: Looks like here…
70 00:12:17.150 ⇒ 00:12:30.279 Hannah Wang: So this is our internal kind of platform, that the AI team, our internal AI team built out. So, obviously, we run everything on Zoom, and everything’s recorded, and after that, it’s kind of brought into here.
71 00:12:30.280 ⇒ 00:12:40.060 Hannah Wang: And from here, you can obviously, like, rewatch the video, but the most helpful thing I found was actually copying the transcript,
72 00:12:40.610 ⇒ 00:12:57.270 Hannah Wang: So you could either pull it from up here, or go over here and copy it, and then shoving that into one of our GPT, like, chat GPT prompts, basically, and there’s a whole prompt library in Notion that we use that you’ll have access to if you.
73 00:12:57.270 ⇒ 00:13:01.680 Hannah Wang: On board with us, and, basically, like.
74 00:13:01.720 ⇒ 00:13:05.030 Hannah Wang: what I… what I’ve been doing,
75 00:13:05.180 ⇒ 00:13:10.750 Hannah Wang: I guess these more niche-tailored decks are newer, but what I did for the e-comm
76 00:13:10.770 ⇒ 00:13:22.410 Hannah Wang: deck right here, is I just shoved all of the transcripts from all the sales calls into there, and I was like, help me create a tech, basically. And this is what a chat, I guess, gave me, and…
77 00:13:22.410 ⇒ 00:13:33.939 Hannah Wang: This is at a point right now where I didn’t ask for any input from Utam yet, so I need his feedback, and then based on that, like, obviously there will be a couple iterations and stuff, so…
78 00:13:33.990 ⇒ 00:13:36.170 Joe Lewandowski: This one, I’ll show you…
79 00:13:36.170 ⇒ 00:13:42.499 Hannah Wang: what it looks like. Actually, before I do that, yeah, so I guess that’s kind of, like, the…
80 00:13:43.550 ⇒ 00:13:47.230 Hannah Wang: like, critical thinking, I guess, we need in order to, like.
81 00:13:47.950 ⇒ 00:13:52.729 Hannah Wang: curate the slides. Obviously, like, AI’s not perfect, and I’m not.
82 00:13:52.730 ⇒ 00:13:53.170 Joe Lewandowski: Yeah, yeah.
83 00:13:53.170 ⇒ 00:14:01.359 Hannah Wang: everything it says as truth, but, I think it helps you get, like, 60% of the way there in terms of the outline.
84 00:14:01.360 ⇒ 00:14:02.800 Joe Lewandowski: Yeah, like a starting point, at least.
85 00:14:02.800 ⇒ 00:14:09.330 Hannah Wang: Exactly, yeah, to get the wheels turning. So this is kind of, like, I guess, what would be…
86 00:14:09.450 ⇒ 00:14:23.219 Hannah Wang: nice to have in another design area, because I think… like, I try to, I guess, encourage Anne to try to do the same, but I think there’s just maybe, like, a gap in, like…
87 00:14:24.420 ⇒ 00:14:37.990 Hannah Wang: I guess I work a little bit more closely with, like, the sales team, and I kind of know our clients, and obviously I’m not on the delivery team, but I kind of know, and I think Anne, because she works not.
88 00:14:37.990 ⇒ 00:14:43.440 Joe Lewandowski: synchronously with U.S. time, it’s a bit harder for her, I think, to grasp these things, so…
89 00:14:43.660 ⇒ 00:14:49.020 Hannah Wang: Anyway, from there, we… .
90 00:14:49.170 ⇒ 00:14:50.070 Joe Lewandowski: I…
91 00:14:50.080 ⇒ 00:14:56.379 Hannah Wang: I think I looked at the transcript, it says you have a little bit of experience with Figma, is that correct?
92 00:14:56.380 ⇒ 00:15:06.810 Joe Lewandowski: Yeah, so, I don’t work in Figma, like, day to day. My company, you know, they’re a law firm, they’re kind of old school, they use… we use great PowerPoint.
93 00:15:06.810 ⇒ 00:15:07.220 Hannah Wang: Yeah.
94 00:15:07.260 ⇒ 00:15:09.520 Joe Lewandowski: And we use Adobe.
95 00:15:09.700 ⇒ 00:15:10.230 Hannah Wang: Okay.
96 00:15:10.230 ⇒ 00:15:14.790 Joe Lewandowski: Like, so… but I’ve, like, taught myself Figma on the side, I just…
97 00:15:14.790 ⇒ 00:15:15.260 Hannah Wang: Yeah.
98 00:15:15.260 ⇒ 00:15:19.449 Joe Lewandowski: I’m not, like, super active in it, but I know there’s a lot of, kind of, crossover between, like.
99 00:15:19.590 ⇒ 00:15:21.469 Joe Lewandowski: Some of the Adobe programs.
100 00:15:21.690 ⇒ 00:15:23.749 Hannah Wang: Yep, yeah. I…
101 00:15:23.870 ⇒ 00:15:29.559 Hannah Wang: Well, law firm, that’s interesting. Well, my husband is a lawyer, so whenever I hear that, I go, okay, but…
102 00:15:29.560 ⇒ 00:15:31.560 Joe Lewandowski: Yeah, yeah, we, we have,
103 00:15:31.930 ⇒ 00:15:35.009 Joe Lewandowski: We have a office in San Francisco, but not LA.
104 00:15:35.010 ⇒ 00:15:37.289 Hannah Wang: Oh, okay. Is it, like, a bigger, bigger.
105 00:15:37.290 ⇒ 00:15:44.159 Joe Lewandowski: Yeah, yeah, it’s, it’s, I guess, what you call big law. Okay. So it’s, like, international, like, pretty intense deals.
106 00:15:44.160 ⇒ 00:15:48.479 Hannah Wang: Yeah, I… I mean, props to… kudos to lawyers, like, I…
107 00:15:48.840 ⇒ 00:15:49.320 Joe Lewandowski: Yeah.
108 00:15:49.320 ⇒ 00:15:49.730 Hannah Wang: I don’t know.
109 00:15:49.730 ⇒ 00:15:52.240 Joe Lewandowski: They’re so smart.
110 00:15:52.430 ⇒ 00:15:53.780 Hannah Wang: Yeah,
111 00:15:53.880 ⇒ 00:16:02.209 Hannah Wang: But anyway, yeah, no problem. I think Figma… I mean, I’m no expert, but I… I feel like once you get to a certain point, you’re able to, like.
112 00:16:02.210 ⇒ 00:16:02.690 Joe Lewandowski: Yeah.
113 00:16:02.690 ⇒ 00:16:12.059 Hannah Wang: it pretty decently, and I’m sure it’s similar to Adobe products. I haven’t used Adobe products, but yeah, I’m sure there’s crossover with all these design tools.
114 00:16:12.340 ⇒ 00:16:26.270 Hannah Wang: So from, I guess, the specs that I created, and the outline I created, I kind of go into, our decks, and some of these, like, I mean, obviously they’re recycled throughout all the decks that we have, but…
115 00:16:26.270 ⇒ 00:16:26.670 Joe Lewandowski: Yeah.
116 00:16:27.730 ⇒ 00:16:35.899 Hannah Wang: Yeah, it’s just, like, I mean, it’s not crazy, it’s just making things look clean and good, and
117 00:16:36.870 ⇒ 00:16:39.750 Hannah Wang: yeah, it’s just designing. I don’t know.
118 00:16:39.750 ⇒ 00:16:40.099 Joe Lewandowski: Oh, fuck.
119 00:16:40.100 ⇒ 00:16:41.739 Hannah Wang: What else to say about that?
120 00:16:41.740 ⇒ 00:16:49.520 Joe Lewandowski: No, I get it. It’s hard to explain, but it definitely makes a huge difference when something’s just even laid out properly.
121 00:16:49.520 ⇒ 00:16:50.040 Hannah Wang: Yeah.
122 00:16:50.040 ⇒ 00:16:55.779 Joe Lewandowski: I try to explain that to the lawyers all the time, just like, please align the boxes, please.
123 00:16:55.780 ⇒ 00:16:57.169 Hannah Wang: Make the bullets look…
124 00:16:57.170 ⇒ 00:16:57.600 Joe Lewandowski: Yeah.
125 00:16:57.600 ⇒ 00:17:02.490 Hannah Wang: Like, don’t have extra pixels, like, align it, justify everything.
126 00:17:02.490 ⇒ 00:17:03.769 Joe Lewandowski: Consistent font sizes.
127 00:17:03.770 ⇒ 00:17:04.719 Hannah Wang: Exactly, yup.
128 00:17:04.720 ⇒ 00:17:05.970 Joe Lewandowski: All the good stuff.
129 00:17:06.550 ⇒ 00:17:21.650 Hannah Wang: Yeah, our… I can talk about, kind of, the delivery team’s slide decks, because that’s on Google Slides, so I can kind of get into that after, but yeah, this is kind of… I think for Figma, we use this mainly for, like, our…
130 00:17:22.300 ⇒ 00:17:26.389 Hannah Wang: Like, trying to be like, wow, we come across as really big, and these…
131 00:17:26.819 ⇒ 00:17:40.519 Hannah Wang: decks don’t change as much, as opposed to, like, the delivery team slides. Obviously, they’re giving weekly updates, and they need to change a bunch of copy and stuff everywhere, so I think that’s why we use Google Slides for them, but for…
132 00:17:40.519 ⇒ 00:17:48.789 Hannah Wang: or I guess, the more sales collateral, like, we… we use Figma. So yeah, after we kind of do…
133 00:17:49.299 ⇒ 00:17:55.999 Hannah Wang: our first pass, and kind of get maybe, like, I don’t know, like, 60-70% there. Then we ask…
134 00:17:56.219 ⇒ 00:18:07.059 Hannah Wang: Uten for feedback. He usually is really… he’s really good at giving feedback when he has the time, and then we do a couple rounds of iteration, and then I think from there, we… we ship it. So, let’s…
135 00:18:07.060 ⇒ 00:18:07.620 Joe Lewandowski: honey.
136 00:18:07.620 ⇒ 00:18:23.319 Hannah Wang: kind of the standard process. I think the designing part isn’t the hard part for, I think, designers, it’s more of, like, the content part, which is still challenging for me, because I like to have all the requirements laid out, but.
137 00:18:23.940 ⇒ 00:18:26.869 Joe Lewandowski: I get it, especially because some of the stuff is pretty technical.
138 00:18:26.870 ⇒ 00:18:32.880 Hannah Wang: Exactly, yeah, I… I mean, I can get into my background later, I…
139 00:18:33.150 ⇒ 00:18:40.989 Hannah Wang: But anyway, yeah, technical, it’s kind of hard sometimes. It kind of flies over your head, and you just want to focus on making it look good, so…
140 00:18:40.990 ⇒ 00:18:41.590 Joe Lewandowski: Yeah, yeah.
141 00:18:41.590 ⇒ 00:18:51.599 Hannah Wang: But yeah, that’s kind of the process for, I guess, the Figma-related slide decks, and then just really quickly, I’ll talk about,
142 00:18:52.130 ⇒ 00:19:10.180 Hannah Wang: kind of what the delivery team does, so this is our, I guess, adjacent sister slides to Figma. Obviously, we try to keep a similar color scheme and all that, but yeah, I mean, there’s only so much you could do in Google Slides to, like, align everything and make it look pretty.
143 00:19:10.180 ⇒ 00:19:12.280 Joe Lewandowski: Yeah, it’s definitely a little bit more limited.
144 00:19:12.280 ⇒ 00:19:21.340 Hannah Wang: Yeah, so, sometimes… I think the design team and the delivery team are trying to work on a good process of, like, how
145 00:19:21.840 ⇒ 00:19:29.200 Hannah Wang: We can enable them to create, I guess, branded slide decks that aren’t terribly…
146 00:19:29.370 ⇒ 00:19:37.779 Hannah Wang: unshippable. Like, we want it to look good, right? But we also don’t want engineers to spend hours pixel-pushing and trying to make it.
147 00:19:37.780 ⇒ 00:19:38.240 Joe Lewandowski: Right.
148 00:19:38.240 ⇒ 00:19:49.059 Hannah Wang: good when we can do it in, like, 30 minutes. So, I think we’re trying to still think of a good rhythm for that, but yeah, this… it’s a lot less, you know, polished, there’s less…
149 00:19:49.250 ⇒ 00:19:55.589 Hannah Wang: obviously, like, images and stuff, but… Yes. Yeah, it’s just an update deck, so…
150 00:19:55.810 ⇒ 00:20:01.099 Hannah Wang: That’s also sometimes what we assist with in terms of decks,
151 00:20:01.890 ⇒ 00:20:06.170 Hannah Wang: But yeah, that’s kind of the process, and then after something’s
152 00:20:06.260 ⇒ 00:20:25.099 Hannah Wang: good to go and shipped. We usually export the PDF, and then we actually, within, this little platform thing that we have, we have a tab for marketing assets, and we just, upload it via GitHub, and then it somehow magically ends up on
153 00:20:25.210 ⇒ 00:20:29.729 Hannah Wang: Hosted onto our… one of our domains, so people can access…
154 00:20:30.040 ⇒ 00:20:36.709 Joe Lewandowski: for example, like, a file, through files.brainforged.ai. Okay. Like, upload it there.
155 00:20:36.710 ⇒ 00:20:41.140 Hannah Wang: So let me… Here we go. So this is our…
156 00:20:41.340 ⇒ 00:20:58.560 Hannah Wang: one of our decks. This is our AI capabilities deck, and yeah, this is a nicely designed one in Figma, and this is what kind of what, Utam and, the salespeople use in conjunction with their pitch to kind of show them what we do, so…
157 00:20:58.560 ⇒ 00:20:59.110 Joe Lewandowski: Okay.
158 00:20:59.110 ⇒ 00:21:01.360 Hannah Wang: Yeah, it’s…
159 00:21:02.460 ⇒ 00:21:09.510 Hannah Wang: yeah, we have branding guidelines, but I feel like you can just kind of copy-paste and just change it up as you see fit.
160 00:21:09.510 ⇒ 00:21:10.110 Joe Lewandowski: Yeah, yeah.
161 00:21:10.110 ⇒ 00:21:11.980 Hannah Wang: I only really use, like, white, green.
162 00:21:12.160 ⇒ 00:21:22.840 Hannah Wang: And, like, beige, so… Yeah. Not, like, crazy, I guess… intricate, but yeah. Yeah.
163 00:21:22.840 ⇒ 00:21:24.850 Joe Lewandowski: It makes… it makes sense, though, looks good.
164 00:21:24.850 ⇒ 00:21:27.720 Hannah Wang: Yeah, do you have any… any questions?
165 00:21:30.660 ⇒ 00:21:44.349 Joe Lewandowski: Not, like, really, I mean, I, you know, I get it, kind of, it would take a little bit of time getting used to, like, the AI system and, like, generating stuff, but it’s, you know, I use AI a little bit with my job now, when I work now.
166 00:21:44.350 ⇒ 00:21:45.450 Hannah Wang: Nothing, like…
167 00:21:45.980 ⇒ 00:21:51.199 Joe Lewandowski: as crazy, but, like, for… sometimes for generating stuff, because we kind of deal with some crazy…
168 00:21:51.420 ⇒ 00:21:55.509 Joe Lewandowski: topics as well, that I don’t understand, so I’m doing a lot of, like.
169 00:21:55.670 ⇒ 00:21:59.450 Joe Lewandowski: What does this abbreviation mean? What does this mean?
170 00:21:59.690 ⇒ 00:22:00.270 Hannah Wang: Totally.
171 00:22:00.270 ⇒ 00:22:06.960 Joe Lewandowski: But… No, I think it makes sense, and I think it’s definitely something I could help with.
172 00:22:07.190 ⇒ 00:22:14.580 Hannah Wang: Cool! Yeah, and if you decide to work with us, like, I’m more than happy to hop on more calls and kind of show you more
173 00:22:14.750 ⇒ 00:22:17.920 Hannah Wang: in… in detail, like, what I do with…
174 00:22:17.920 ⇒ 00:22:18.340 Joe Lewandowski: Yeah, yeah.
175 00:22:18.340 ⇒ 00:22:23.760 Hannah Wang: I literally just shove everything in there and be like, help me create a.
176 00:22:23.760 ⇒ 00:22:24.360 Joe Lewandowski: Yeah, yeah.
177 00:22:24.640 ⇒ 00:22:25.170 Hannah Wang: It’s not…
178 00:22:25.170 ⇒ 00:22:35.029 Joe Lewandowski: Yeah, that would definitely be helpful to know, too. I think it’s one of those things, too, where it’s, like, after you do a few, I think it starts becoming, like, way easier, like, way more efficient.
179 00:22:35.230 ⇒ 00:22:43.859 Hannah Wang: And I’m also, like, learning how to navigate the whole, oh, I don’t have the entire outline, but I have sales transcripts.
180 00:22:43.950 ⇒ 00:22:45.879 Joe Lewandowski: I’m also still, like.
181 00:22:45.990 ⇒ 00:22:49.349 Hannah Wang: I guess, navigating and learning, like, what the best
182 00:22:49.950 ⇒ 00:22:56.109 Hannah Wang: way to do that is, so… yeah, we’ll be learning together. I don’t know if that makes you feel any better, but…
183 00:22:56.110 ⇒ 00:22:58.460 Joe Lewandowski: No, I think it’ll be… it’ll be exciting.
184 00:22:58.460 ⇒ 00:23:05.690 Hannah Wang: Yeah. Cool. I… let me check my list one more time… Yeah.
185 00:23:06.130 ⇒ 00:23:08.189 Hannah Wang: Yeah, so I talked you through…
186 00:23:08.300 ⇒ 00:23:19.930 Hannah Wang: start to finish exporting, and then, yeah, the backlog of deck work is, like I said, the more, like, industry-focused, decks, like eCom SaaS, and then I’m sure
187 00:23:20.160 ⇒ 00:23:25.200 Hannah Wang: those are all data-related, but I’m sure we want, like, AI-related niche
188 00:23:25.380 ⇒ 00:23:27.490 Hannah Wang: Vertical decks as well, but that’s.
189 00:23:27.490 ⇒ 00:23:36.149 Joe Lewandowski: Yeah, he mentioned… he mentioned that a lot on his call, like, kind of expanding the niche decks, I think, is kind of like a sec… like a secondary goal in the whole thing.
190 00:23:36.580 ⇒ 00:23:38.070 Hannah Wang: Yeah, and I…
191 00:23:38.190 ⇒ 00:23:45.460 Hannah Wang: Yeah, the niche ones are, like… obviously, it’s niche within each vertical, so it’s like, okay, you need to tailor it and curate it for each…
192 00:23:46.000 ⇒ 00:24:01.960 Hannah Wang: pain point for each of them, so… yeah, but I think, like, Utam and Robert… Robert’s our… his business partner. I think they do, like, a good job explaining, like, pitching over and over again, like we do in meetings, and they’re all recorded, so I bank on that to help me create
193 00:24:02.370 ⇒ 00:24:02.960 Hannah Wang: Create things.
194 00:24:03.540 ⇒ 00:24:08.019 Hannah Wang: But yeah, like, I guess turnaround…
195 00:24:08.320 ⇒ 00:24:10.130 Joe Lewandowski: Yeah, so that’s pretty good.
196 00:24:10.320 ⇒ 00:24:29.660 Hannah Wang: we, like, we work fast, but, like, you can take your time, like, designing it and making it look pretty. Like, I try not to rush, like, my designs, unless it’s super urgent, then I’m like, okay, I’ll crank this out, but usually they don’t give us tasks that are, like, I need this by tomorrow. That’s, like, pretty rare here, so…
197 00:24:29.700 ⇒ 00:24:33.319 Hannah Wang: Yeah, the design team is, like, chill. We’re chill.
198 00:24:33.320 ⇒ 00:24:37.060 Joe Lewandowski: Yeah, I was like, oh man, you don’t need it by tomorrow, I get…
199 00:24:37.250 ⇒ 00:24:39.329 Joe Lewandowski: 80 slides, same day, my job.
200 00:24:39.870 ⇒ 00:24:45.450 Hannah Wang: Is that, like, common in your current work? Like, cranking it out by end of day kind of thing?
201 00:24:45.880 ⇒ 00:24:49.740 Joe Lewandowski: Yes, usually it’s… it’s next day, but…
202 00:24:50.280 ⇒ 00:25:01.229 Joe Lewandowski: The problem is, like, the slides are… a lot of them are long presentations. Especially, like, we kind of outsource some of the trial stuff, but if, like.
203 00:25:01.400 ⇒ 00:25:03.600 Joe Lewandowski: If it’s for an important client, like…
204 00:25:04.030 ⇒ 00:25:14.430 Joe Lewandowski: they come to me usually, because I’m kind of, like, the go-to person for PowerPoint at the company. Like, we’re a three-person design team, but I’m kind of, like, the PowerPoint person.
205 00:25:14.430 ⇒ 00:25:15.000 Hannah Wang: I see.
206 00:25:15.000 ⇒ 00:25:18.890 Joe Lewandowski: So they’ll come to me for, like, any deck that’s, like, a special thing.
207 00:25:18.890 ⇒ 00:25:19.430 Hannah Wang: Yeah.
208 00:25:19.430 ⇒ 00:25:23.910 Joe Lewandowski: But a lot of times, it’s like, oh yeah, it’s, like, 70 slides, and we need it in, like, 2 days.
209 00:25:24.640 ⇒ 00:25:26.120 Joe Lewandowski: So, it’s a lot of…
210 00:25:26.120 ⇒ 00:25:26.780 Hannah Wang: Crazy.
211 00:25:26.780 ⇒ 00:25:29.820 Joe Lewandowski: Yeah, it’s a lot of effort on my part.
212 00:25:29.820 ⇒ 00:25:35.020 Hannah Wang: Don’t worry, we’re not… we’re not like that. Our slides are, like… 25.
213 00:25:35.400 ⇒ 00:25:36.910 Hannah Wang: That’s nice.
214 00:25:36.910 ⇒ 00:25:40.449 Joe Lewandowski: It’s like, yeah, when I see 25, I’m like, pfft, alright.
215 00:25:41.520 ⇒ 00:25:49.610 Hannah Wang: What made you kind of want to, I guess, take on this opportunity on top of, like, the work that you’re already… already doing for your law firm?
216 00:25:49.870 ⇒ 00:25:59.829 Joe Lewandowski: I’ve kind of just been wanting to, like… because I’m, like, very happy with, like, where I am, but it’s, you know, I just, in general, interest of design, kind of expanding.
217 00:25:59.830 ⇒ 00:26:00.500 Hannah Wang: Hmm.
218 00:26:00.500 ⇒ 00:26:01.909 Joe Lewandowski: Horizons, just, you know, like…
219 00:26:02.090 ⇒ 00:26:10.789 Joe Lewandowski: it gets boring working in the same template over and over again sometimes. And, like, I like the people I work with that’s, like, super chill. It’s, like, aside from the turnarounds, it’s, like, pretty chill.
220 00:26:10.790 ⇒ 00:26:11.410 Hannah Wang: Yeah.
221 00:26:11.410 ⇒ 00:26:19.840 Joe Lewandowski: And, like, my boss is super chill, so it’s… it’s, like, more so just kind of like a personal, like, oh, let me see what else is out there, and kind of…
222 00:26:20.850 ⇒ 00:26:23.050 Joe Lewandowski: Just kind of expand into…
223 00:26:23.500 ⇒ 00:26:27.470 Joe Lewandowski: see what, like, you know, different types of decks, maybe different templates to work in, just kind of.
224 00:26:27.470 ⇒ 00:26:28.020 Hannah Wang: Hmm.
225 00:26:28.800 ⇒ 00:26:30.419 Joe Lewandowski: I don’t know, something to do.
226 00:26:30.420 ⇒ 00:26:35.050 Hannah Wang: Yeah, I’m sure our… our decks look a lot different than the decks you.
227 00:26:35.050 ⇒ 00:26:35.520 Joe Lewandowski: Yeah.
228 00:26:35.520 ⇒ 00:26:36.620 Hannah Wang: You just find empowering.
229 00:26:36.620 ⇒ 00:26:39.889 Joe Lewandowski: We operate in black, white, and red, like, almost strictly.
230 00:26:39.890 ⇒ 00:26:41.669 Hannah Wang: Red, okay, interesting.
231 00:26:41.670 ⇒ 00:26:58.690 Joe Lewandowski: It’s like a… it’s a red… it’s a weird red, like, in between red and pink, actually, which is funny, because a lot of the, like, you know, lawyers are kind of, like… especially the older ones are very, like, straight… straight-waist, like, and they’ll always complain about, like, the pink, or, like, they won’t get the color right.
232 00:26:59.570 ⇒ 00:27:00.870 Hannah Wang: It’s like, oh, sorry, I can’.
233 00:27:00.870 ⇒ 00:27:07.619 Joe Lewandowski: Yeah. Well, a lot of them will open it up and choose, like, the default red in PowerPoint, and I’m like, oh my god, it’s not our code.
234 00:27:07.620 ⇒ 00:27:08.270 Hannah Wang: Yeah.
235 00:27:09.170 ⇒ 00:27:19.209 Hannah Wang: it’s… it’s interesting, I think… I’m not, like, I don’t come from a design background, but I feel like I have a pretty detail-oriented eye, so it’s just, like.
236 00:27:19.420 ⇒ 00:27:22.870 Hannah Wang: It’s just fun when other people are not like that, and they just.
237 00:27:22.870 ⇒ 00:27:23.200 Joe Lewandowski: Yeah.
238 00:27:23.200 ⇒ 00:27:27.479 Hannah Wang: choose a color they think is similar, and I’m like, oh no, it’s totally different.
239 00:27:28.060 ⇒ 00:27:35.460 Hannah Wang: I’ve noticed there’s, like, a few different types of people. There’s, like, the person who doesn’t have a design eye and doesn’t want anything to do with it. Yep.
240 00:27:35.460 ⇒ 00:27:38.889 Joe Lewandowski: And then there’s the person who doesn’t have one, but wants to design? Yep.
241 00:27:39.530 ⇒ 00:27:42.810 Joe Lewandowski: Even though I, like, you know, graphic design is my passion title.
242 00:27:44.640 ⇒ 00:27:50.169 Joe Lewandowski: I’m like, you’re… you’re a super smart person, but let’s… let’s not… let’s not design these images, please.
243 00:27:50.170 ⇒ 00:27:52.540 Hannah Wang: Yeah, give it to me, I can design it.
244 00:27:52.540 ⇒ 00:28:05.679 Joe Lewandowski: Especially now with, like, AI, like… so we actually have, like, an AI practice at my firm, like, a pretty, pretty big one, and it’s, like, an area we’re expanding, and so we brought in, like, a bunch of new, like, partners and stuff, and one of them, he’s, like.
245 00:28:05.830 ⇒ 00:28:09.380 Joe Lewandowski: all about Gemini, and creates all his images in there.
246 00:28:09.380 ⇒ 00:28:09.839 Hannah Wang: And I’m like.
247 00:28:09.840 ⇒ 00:28:14.700 Joe Lewandowski: Well, these don’t look like our company branding. Yeah. But he…
248 00:28:15.610 ⇒ 00:28:17.560 Joe Lewandowski: I thought my daughter thought it was great, and I’m like.
249 00:28:19.290 ⇒ 00:28:26.570 Hannah Wang: Yeah, Gemini produces nice things, but there’s… you can just totally tell it’s AI.
250 00:28:26.570 ⇒ 00:28:33.080 Joe Lewandowski: Yeah, well, that’s the thing, like, the images don’t look bad, but you… like, anyone who, like, uses the internet can be like, oh, this is not real.
251 00:28:33.080 ⇒ 00:28:33.740 Hannah Wang: Yeah.
252 00:28:33.980 ⇒ 00:28:45.320 Hannah Wang: It’s so interesting that AI has that, like, flair to anything it produces. It’s, like, polished, but you can tell it’s still AI.
253 00:28:45.770 ⇒ 00:29:00.399 Hannah Wang: But anyway, yeah, we can talk more about that later. But yeah, if no other questions, I don’t know who’s gonna take it from here. Probably Utam will reach back out to you, or.
254 00:29:00.400 ⇒ 00:29:00.770 Joe Lewandowski: Okay.
255 00:29:00.770 ⇒ 00:29:07.480 Hannah Wang: And then we’ll kind of work out, like, the legal stuff, or not lea… yeah, legal, like, logistical, just, like.
256 00:29:07.480 ⇒ 00:29:07.910 Joe Lewandowski: Yeah, yeah.
257 00:29:07.910 ⇒ 00:29:12.880 Hannah Wang: and all that stuff. Rico, he’s our ops person, he’ll kind of loop you into that, and then…
258 00:29:13.430 ⇒ 00:29:14.690 Hannah Wang: From there…
259 00:29:14.940 ⇒ 00:29:20.710 Hannah Wang: yeah, I think if we’re good to go, then I’ll see you at the top of the new year. I don’t think…
260 00:29:21.030 ⇒ 00:29:25.579 Hannah Wang: We’re… we’re off starting Christmas, so I don’t…
261 00:29:25.580 ⇒ 00:29:26.969 Joe Lewandowski: Until, like, the end of the era, or…
262 00:29:26.970 ⇒ 00:29:34.180 Hannah Wang: Until January 2nd, which is the Friday, and then the weekend, and then we’ll start… we’ll start working, so…
263 00:29:34.300 ⇒ 00:29:41.550 Hannah Wang: I’m just like… who… I cannot crank out work when Christmas is right there. It’s like…
264 00:29:42.100 ⇒ 00:29:43.680 Hannah Wang: Yeah. My brain is hot.
265 00:29:43.680 ⇒ 00:29:46.430 Joe Lewandowski: Like, hosting family, or do you go somewhere for it?
266 00:29:46.430 ⇒ 00:29:48.130 Hannah Wang: I…
267 00:29:48.410 ⇒ 00:29:56.850 Hannah Wang: I think we’ll go hang out with my parents. They live locally in LA, and then my husband
268 00:29:57.180 ⇒ 00:30:00.180 Hannah Wang: We went to… he’s from Ohio.
269 00:30:00.180 ⇒ 00:30:00.740 Joe Lewandowski: Okay.
270 00:30:01.480 ⇒ 00:30:17.009 Hannah Wang: And it’s… I can say this because I’m Asian, like, he’s Asian, and I’m like, why… so interesting that you’re from the Midwest. Like, I would never expect him to be, but yeah, we went there for Thanksgiving, so I don’t think we’ll see them for Christmas. But yeah, it’s just…
271 00:30:17.180 ⇒ 00:30:19.359 Hannah Wang: Me and him. Like, we’re the only.
272 00:30:19.360 ⇒ 00:30:19.730 Joe Lewandowski: Okay.
273 00:30:19.730 ⇒ 00:30:20.590 Hannah Wang: Kids in our…
274 00:30:20.590 ⇒ 00:30:21.010 Joe Lewandowski: Yeah, yeah.
275 00:30:21.010 ⇒ 00:30:26.189 Hannah Wang: We’re family, so it’s a pretty small, small gathering every year, but that’s okay.
276 00:30:26.700 ⇒ 00:30:27.859 Joe Lewandowski: I get it.
277 00:30:27.860 ⇒ 00:30:28.679 Hannah Wang: How about you?
278 00:30:29.000 ⇒ 00:30:35.070 Joe Lewandowski: We go to my… so my mom’s side has, like, a lot of family, but they’re all local on Long Island.
279 00:30:35.070 ⇒ 00:30:35.570 Hannah Wang: Okay.
280 00:30:35.580 ⇒ 00:30:40.179 Joe Lewandowski: So we’ll go out there, Christmas Eve to my brother’s house. He hosts.
281 00:30:40.920 ⇒ 00:30:44.879 Joe Lewandowski: And Christmas Day is, like, my immediate family, like, my brother, my parents, and I.
282 00:30:44.880 ⇒ 00:30:45.460 Hannah Wang: Okay.
283 00:30:45.600 ⇒ 00:30:49.459 Joe Lewandowski: My girlfriend and stuff like that, but just, like, it’s like 5 or 6 people.
284 00:30:49.460 ⇒ 00:30:51.259 Hannah Wang: Yeah. Oh, you get it, it’s the small…
285 00:30:51.260 ⇒ 00:30:53.380 Joe Lewandowski: Yeah, yeah, yeah, and it’s kind of chill.
286 00:30:53.380 ⇒ 00:31:02.120 Hannah Wang: Yeah, I look at the people with huge family gatherings, and sometimes I am jealous of them, but I’m also super introverted, and I would…
287 00:31:02.530 ⇒ 00:31:03.990 Joe Lewandowski: I’m the same way.
288 00:31:03.990 ⇒ 00:31:04.680 Hannah Wang: Yeah.
289 00:31:04.680 ⇒ 00:31:06.460 Joe Lewandowski: Less people is better, usually.
290 00:31:06.460 ⇒ 00:31:15.359 Hannah Wang: yeah, I’m like, okay, more chill, just, like, just sitting there, vibing is… is good. I don’t need a lot of noise or anything like that, so…
291 00:31:15.360 ⇒ 00:31:16.090 Joe Lewandowski: Yeah.
292 00:31:16.580 ⇒ 00:31:20.509 Hannah Wang: We have my brother’s two kids making a lot of noise, but that’s… that’s enough.
293 00:31:20.880 ⇒ 00:31:22.460 Hannah Wang: How old are your nieces.
294 00:31:24.130 ⇒ 00:31:26.549 Hannah Wang: 3 and 1. Okay, yep, there.
295 00:31:26.550 ⇒ 00:31:31.080 Joe Lewandowski: Yeah, so the one that’s 3 is especially prime, like, troublemaking.
296 00:31:31.080 ⇒ 00:31:31.570 Hannah Wang: Yeah.
297 00:31:31.570 ⇒ 00:31:37.319 Joe Lewandowski: Years are starting, so… Like, throwing pots and pans around, and all the good stuff.
298 00:31:37.320 ⇒ 00:31:43.149 Hannah Wang: Sounds… sounds about right. He’s entered his… his terrible twos, and it’s probably lingering into his threes.
299 00:31:43.150 ⇒ 00:31:49.569 Joe Lewandowski: Yeah, yeah. My mom always says this is karma coming back around for how my brother acted as a kid.
300 00:31:50.120 ⇒ 00:31:52.040 Hannah Wang: Was it just you and your brother?
301 00:31:52.040 ⇒ 00:31:53.100 Joe Lewandowski: Yeah, yeah.
302 00:31:53.640 ⇒ 00:32:02.629 Hannah Wang: Yeah. But, you know, we were definitely problems when we were young. Oh, I’m sure every child went through their reckless years of…
303 00:32:02.830 ⇒ 00:32:05.670 Hannah Wang: throwing tantrums, and then it always…
304 00:32:05.830 ⇒ 00:32:08.670 Hannah Wang: Once you become parents, it bites you in the butt.
305 00:32:08.670 ⇒ 00:32:18.900 Joe Lewandowski: Yeah, it’s just funny to see it now, because, like, I’m my late 30s, so a lot of my friends now have kids, like, approaching that age and stuff, and seeing it firsthand is like, oh man, I was bad.
306 00:32:18.900 ⇒ 00:32:27.990 Hannah Wang: I feel that, yeah. Well, I… I have a lot of respect for, I think, parents now that I’m, like, at that age where I see…
307 00:32:28.100 ⇒ 00:32:35.239 Hannah Wang: kids, and I’m like, wow, they really sacrificed a lot for their children.
308 00:32:35.690 ⇒ 00:32:37.970 Hannah Wang: It’s always that loop of, like.
309 00:32:37.970 ⇒ 00:32:38.320 Joe Lewandowski: Yeah.
310 00:32:38.320 ⇒ 00:32:46.920 Hannah Wang: you’re like, oh, you go through your rebellious teenage years, you resent your parents a little bit, and then you’re… in your later years, you’re like, oh, actually…
311 00:32:46.920 ⇒ 00:32:48.990 Joe Lewandowski: Yeah, yeah. I take that back.
312 00:32:48.990 ⇒ 00:32:53.549 Hannah Wang: Yeah, I take back what I said a decade ago, or something, so…
313 00:32:54.680 ⇒ 00:32:57.729 Hannah Wang: Okay, cool. It was nice meeting you, Joe.
314 00:32:57.730 ⇒ 00:33:01.359 Joe Lewandowski: Yeah, definitely. Thank you for taking the time to show me the ropes.
315 00:33:01.360 ⇒ 00:33:05.269 Hannah Wang: Yeah, of course! I’m excited to potentially work with you, and…
316 00:33:05.660 ⇒ 00:33:07.710 Hannah Wang: I hope you stay warm, because…
317 00:33:07.710 ⇒ 00:33:09.180 Joe Lewandowski: Yeah, I’m trying.
318 00:33:09.180 ⇒ 00:33:11.790 Hannah Wang: Not a fun temperature to… to be in.
319 00:33:12.210 ⇒ 00:33:13.150 Hannah Wang: right now?
320 00:33:13.150 ⇒ 00:33:21.080 Joe Lewandowski: No, but it’s… so it snowed last weekend, I think it was? Maybe 2 weeks ago now, I don’t know. It’s, like, kind of all blurring together at this point, but…
321 00:33:21.420 ⇒ 00:33:26.110 Joe Lewandowski: Yeah, I was just wearing, like, 5 layers every time I go.
322 00:33:26.110 ⇒ 00:33:32.119 Hannah Wang: Oh, I’m sure. I’m sure. You need, like, 3 layers of pants, 5 layers of top, and, like.
323 00:33:32.120 ⇒ 00:33:32.710 Joe Lewandowski: Yeah.
324 00:33:32.710 ⇒ 00:33:35.010 Hannah Wang: Everything covered except your eyes.
325 00:33:35.010 ⇒ 00:33:51.009 Joe Lewandowski: Yeah, and my office is in… I don’t know if you’re familiar with, like, New York City, but it’s in Hudson Yards, which is, like, on the very west side of the city. Okay, okay. And it’s, like, it’s… they’re, like, developing the area super heavily right now, but it’s, like, essentially a wind tunnel, because there’s, like, 3 big buildings, and, like.
326 00:33:51.010 ⇒ 00:33:51.540 Hannah Wang: Boy.
327 00:33:51.540 ⇒ 00:33:55.850 Joe Lewandowski: And it’s just, like, a lot of construction is just gusting down that block. Reezing through. Yeah.
328 00:33:55.850 ⇒ 00:33:58.540 Hannah Wang: Yeah. Do you go into office every day.
329 00:33:58.540 ⇒ 00:34:00.230 Joe Lewandowski: Twice a week.
330 00:34:00.420 ⇒ 00:34:02.230 Hannah Wang: Okay, but still, that’s…
331 00:34:02.390 ⇒ 00:34:02.910 Joe Lewandowski: Yeah.
332 00:34:02.910 ⇒ 00:34:03.840 Hannah Wang: Cold.
333 00:34:03.840 ⇒ 00:34:13.360 Joe Lewandowski: Yeah, it’s… and there’s, like, no… I mean, there is a subway right there, but where I live, it’s, like, kind of makes more sense to go to, like, the Homeland Road and then walk, like, two walks.
334 00:34:13.620 ⇒ 00:34:17.400 Joe Lewandowski: But it’s just, it’s a rough two-box. Yeah, it’s a rough two box.
335 00:34:18.199 ⇒ 00:34:30.629 Hannah Wang: yeah, the wind makes a difference. I visited Chicago last year, and it was… the windy city, right? Oh my gosh, like, the sun was out, and I was still freezing my butt off, and I had so many layers on, and…
336 00:34:30.869 ⇒ 00:34:32.509 Hannah Wang: I watch…
337 00:34:32.729 ⇒ 00:34:42.389 Hannah Wang: Last thing, I watch a lot of football games right now, and I see, like, people, like, all the East Coast teams. I was at the Jets game, like, last weekend.
338 00:34:42.690 ⇒ 00:34:44.319 Hannah Wang: Okay, who did they play last week?
339 00:34:44.320 ⇒ 00:34:44.920 Joe Lewandowski: That’s.
340 00:34:45.190 ⇒ 00:34:46.710 Hannah Wang: Miami… did they win?
341 00:34:46.719 ⇒ 00:34:56.099 Joe Lewandowski: They lost… no, the Jets don’t win, really. We don’t win, but… but it was, we just decided to go. Tickets were super cheap.
342 00:34:56.270 ⇒ 00:34:58.919 Hannah Wang: How fun! Was it… is it an outdoor stadium?
343 00:34:58.920 ⇒ 00:34:59.920 Joe Lewandowski: Yeah, yeah.
344 00:35:00.140 ⇒ 00:35:01.040 Hannah Wang: Oh, boy.
345 00:35:01.040 ⇒ 00:35:06.460 Joe Lewandowski: I, I had, like, four hand warmers, like, I was, like, stuck them in my shoe for my feet.
346 00:35:06.460 ⇒ 00:35:11.509 Hannah Wang: That’s crazy. And the games are super long, so you just stay out there forever.
347 00:35:11.510 ⇒ 00:35:12.130 Joe Lewandowski: Yeah.
348 00:35:12.780 ⇒ 00:35:19.050 Hannah Wang: It’s okay, if you’re thinking about teams that lose, the Browns always lose, so…
349 00:35:19.050 ⇒ 00:35:21.020 Joe Lewandowski: Oh, yeah, yeah, you said your husband’s from Ohio, right?
350 00:35:21.020 ⇒ 00:35:21.450 Hannah Wang: internet.
351 00:35:21.450 ⇒ 00:35:22.770 Joe Lewandowski: Is he a Browns fan?
352 00:35:22.770 ⇒ 00:35:23.250 Hannah Wang: He is…
353 00:35:23.250 ⇒ 00:35:23.790 Joe Lewandowski: I understand.
354 00:35:23.790 ⇒ 00:35:26.540 Hannah Wang: Every year, it’s unfortunate. It’s like, just, we just…
355 00:35:26.540 ⇒ 00:35:29.060 Joe Lewandowski: It’s a cycle, a cycle of unfortunate.
356 00:35:29.060 ⇒ 00:35:45.359 Hannah Wang: Yeah. Well, at least the Cavs, like, do okay, the basketball team from Cleveland, but yeah, the Browns… we watched them play… who did they play yesterday, or two days ago? Like, it was 20… 20 to 23, and it was, like, so painful, but…
357 00:35:46.190 ⇒ 00:35:47.330 Hannah Wang: That’s almost worse.
358 00:35:47.330 ⇒ 00:35:49.590 Joe Lewandowski: Because they were, like, in… in… within reach.
359 00:35:49.590 ⇒ 00:35:56.459 Hannah Wang: Yeah. If it was, like, Anyway, so… it’s okay, losing teams, I know, I know a lot about them.
360 00:35:56.460 ⇒ 00:36:03.970 Joe Lewandowski: Yeah, my dad’s a lifelong Jets fan, so I was kind of just, like, born into it, so we just suffer every year, it’s okay.
361 00:36:03.970 ⇒ 00:36:09.630 Hannah Wang: Okay, at least they’re not, like, bottom… bottom three. Like, the Browns are probably the worst.
362 00:36:09.630 ⇒ 00:36:14.410 Joe Lewandowski: I think the Browns are slightly worse than the Jets, but we’re definitely, like, the lower 5.
363 00:36:14.800 ⇒ 00:36:19.230 Hannah Wang: Okay, we’re in it together, then. Every year, I’ll remember. I’m not the only one suffering.
364 00:36:19.230 ⇒ 00:36:23.009 Joe Lewandowski: It’s funny, because I think the Giants are actually, like, the worst team this year, too.
365 00:36:23.200 ⇒ 00:36:27.329 Hannah Wang: So it’s, like, both New York teams? Oh, New York is just getting.
366 00:36:27.330 ⇒ 00:36:29.520 Joe Lewandowski: Aside from Buffalo’s good.
367 00:36:29.520 ⇒ 00:36:30.360 Hannah Wang: Hello.
368 00:36:30.360 ⇒ 00:36:31.890 Joe Lewandowski: People in New York City don’t really.
369 00:36:32.240 ⇒ 00:36:37.330 Joe Lewandowski: count like Buffalo as, like, New York, even though it’s, like, the only team that plays in New York.
370 00:36:37.330 ⇒ 00:36:38.150 Hannah Wang: Okay.
371 00:36:38.670 ⇒ 00:36:39.399 Joe Lewandowski: Because the…
372 00:36:39.400 ⇒ 00:36:40.680 Hannah Wang: counted as, like.
373 00:36:40.680 ⇒ 00:36:46.149 Joe Lewandowski: Well, it’s just, like, people in the city, kind of upstate New York is… it’s just, like, too far up, so it’s like…
374 00:36:46.340 ⇒ 00:36:46.930 Hannah Wang: Yeah.
375 00:36:47.400 ⇒ 00:36:48.780 Joe Lewandowski: They’re basically Canada.
376 00:36:48.990 ⇒ 00:36:53.099 Hannah Wang: They’re basically Canada. I kind of feel that, yeah, that kind of makes sense.
377 00:36:53.530 ⇒ 00:36:57.649 Hannah Wang: Okay. Yeah, well anyway, football is always on.
378 00:36:57.650 ⇒ 00:36:58.040 Joe Lewandowski: Yeah.
379 00:36:58.040 ⇒ 00:37:05.509 Hannah Wang: Right now, so… Anyway… All that to say, stay warm, and happy holidays.
380 00:37:05.510 ⇒ 00:37:06.640 Joe Lewandowski: Yeah, you too.
381 00:37:06.640 ⇒ 00:37:07.780 Hannah Wang: Alright, talk to you later.
382 00:37:07.780 ⇒ 00:37:08.820 Joe Lewandowski: Alright, thank you.
383 00:37:08.820 ⇒ 00:37:09.590 Hannah Wang: Bye.