Meeting Title: Engineering Leads Sync Date: 2025-09-22 Meeting participants: Awaish Kumar, Samuel Roberts, Uttam Kumaran
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1 00:04:23.310 ⇒ 00:04:24.740 Samuel Roberts: Can you hear me alright?
2 00:04:25.620 ⇒ 00:04:27.150 Awaish Kumar: Yeah, I can hear you.
3 00:04:27.700 ⇒ 00:04:28.470 Samuel Roberts: Okay.
4 00:04:30.580 ⇒ 00:04:35.099 Samuel Roberts: Yeah, sorry, I don’t know if you saw the message, but my power went out, like, 10 minutes ago.
5 00:04:36.250 ⇒ 00:04:38.390 Awaish Kumar: Yeah, I saw your messages.
6 00:04:38.630 ⇒ 00:04:39.580 Samuel Roberts: Okay.
7 00:04:39.770 ⇒ 00:04:43.010 Samuel Roberts: So hopefully this phone connection works, but…
8 00:04:43.460 ⇒ 00:04:45.439 Samuel Roberts: It’s also very slow right now.
9 00:04:45.580 ⇒ 00:04:47.739 Samuel Roberts: I’m wondering if the power’s affecting that, too.
10 00:04:49.210 ⇒ 00:04:50.040 Awaish Kumar: Okay.
11 00:04:50.470 ⇒ 00:04:51.970 Awaish Kumar: No worries.
12 00:04:56.020 ⇒ 00:04:56.819 Samuel Roberts: I’m sorry?
13 00:04:58.160 ⇒ 00:05:00.489 Awaish Kumar: I said, no worries, yeah.
14 00:05:00.490 ⇒ 00:05:01.500 Samuel Roberts: Oh, okay.
15 00:05:04.530 ⇒ 00:05:07.689 Samuel Roberts: Right, yeah, unfortunately my laptop’s offline, but…
16 00:05:14.170 ⇒ 00:05:14.850 Awaish Kumar: Oh.
17 00:05:19.990 ⇒ 00:05:24.179 Awaish Kumar: I’m not sure if Utomo’s joining, but we have this,
18 00:05:25.390 ⇒ 00:05:31.560 Awaish Kumar: I’ll share the document, but you can fill it in, like, whenever you’re ready.
19 00:05:32.880 ⇒ 00:05:33.480 Samuel Roberts: Yeah.
20 00:05:34.760 ⇒ 00:05:37.949 Samuel Roberts: I’ll have to probably do it later, but.
21 00:05:39.380 ⇒ 00:05:40.939 Samuel Roberts: I can, I can honestly get to that.
22 00:06:08.770 ⇒ 00:06:13.550 Samuel Roberts: Yeah, I added some labels as well, I don’t know if you saw that document.
23 00:06:24.450 ⇒ 00:06:25.310 Awaish Kumar: Okay.
24 00:06:29.350 ⇒ 00:06:37.520 Samuel Roberts: Yeah, we can… there’s… I was… I think they’re pretty good. The prompt engineering and feature development could kind of be combined, maybe, but I wanted to keep them separated.
25 00:06:39.510 ⇒ 00:06:40.030 Samuel Roberts: Nope.
26 00:06:46.610 ⇒ 00:06:48.140 Awaish Kumar: prompt engineering is…
27 00:06:51.290 ⇒ 00:06:55.479 Awaish Kumar: Does this also contain, like, getting agents on the platform?
28 00:06:55.820 ⇒ 00:06:57.560 Awaish Kumar: Like, the… we have,
29 00:06:59.320 ⇒ 00:07:07.680 Awaish Kumar: some, like, fixed agents, like, basically, on the back end, you have, like, these extended prompts for creating SOP and things like that.
30 00:07:09.700 ⇒ 00:07:10.920 Samuel Roberts: Right, right.
31 00:07:14.190 ⇒ 00:07:18.369 Awaish Kumar: Okay, is that… Like, label for these kind of tasks?
32 00:07:20.410 ⇒ 00:07:33.830 Samuel Roberts: Yeah, for that, and so I think the way I was kind of thinking of it is that, like, if we need to build, well, this also splits it up a little bit more, so, like, someone can work on the prompt while someone’s also building the infrastructure, you know?
33 00:07:34.340 ⇒ 00:07:35.080 Awaish Kumar: Nothing.
34 00:07:35.080 ⇒ 00:07:42.280 Samuel Roberts: Like, feature development, and agent and automation orchestration. With kind of,
35 00:07:43.000 ⇒ 00:07:46.460 Samuel Roberts: They’re all very similar, but different scales, almost. Like…
36 00:07:46.630 ⇒ 00:07:50.470 Samuel Roberts: The agent automation stuff is, like, multi-step.
37 00:07:50.730 ⇒ 00:07:52.339 Samuel Roberts: all the N8N stuff.
38 00:07:52.650 ⇒ 00:07:56.639 Samuel Roberts: The feature development could be adding something
39 00:07:57.600 ⇒ 00:08:01.280 Samuel Roberts: To one of those, or building a small piece of something.
40 00:08:02.060 ⇒ 00:08:06.480 Samuel Roberts: And then the prompt engineering is for, like, work if they’re not working, kind of thing.
41 00:08:06.740 ⇒ 00:08:07.590 Awaish Kumar: Crooked.
42 00:08:10.490 ⇒ 00:08:11.560 Samuel Roberts: that I shouldn’t…
43 00:08:11.660 ⇒ 00:08:19.650 Samuel Roberts: I didn’t get a chance to run this by the team. I think they’ll have some good input, since they know the work that they’ve been doing for more months than I’ve been here, so…
44 00:08:20.650 ⇒ 00:08:24.940 Samuel Roberts: I just didn’t get a chance to do that yet, but…
45 00:08:25.400 ⇒ 00:08:28.700 Samuel Roberts: I will send this to them if I get internet again.
46 00:08:30.770 ⇒ 00:08:40.820 Awaish Kumar: Yeah, like, we can share it with the team, and they can, like, contribute on this document using the comments, and we can, like.
47 00:08:41.120 ⇒ 00:08:41.730 Samuel Roberts: Yeah.
48 00:08:42.049 ⇒ 00:08:42.429 Awaish Kumar: refund.
49 00:08:42.429 ⇒ 00:08:45.259 Samuel Roberts: Yeah, I think this is a good start, at least. Yeah, definitely.
50 00:09:04.919 ⇒ 00:09:05.649 Samuel Roberts: Right.
51 00:09:08.999 ⇒ 00:09:11.049 Samuel Roberts: Do you ping Utah, do you think?
52 00:09:13.500 ⇒ 00:09:15.619 Awaish Kumar: I have not missed.
53 00:09:40.690 ⇒ 00:09:44.740 Awaish Kumar: Okay, is there anything you want to discuss?
54 00:09:47.590 ⇒ 00:09:51.110 Samuel Roberts: Day…
55 00:09:51.650 ⇒ 00:09:52.489 Awaish Kumar: Oh, any broccoli.
56 00:09:52.490 ⇒ 00:09:54.599 Samuel Roberts: I’m nooping up on my phone here, too.
57 00:09:56.870 ⇒ 00:09:57.920 Samuel Roberts: Mmm…
58 00:09:57.920 ⇒ 00:09:59.459 Awaish Kumar: Concerns or anything?
59 00:09:59.460 ⇒ 00:10:07.540 Samuel Roberts: There’s, I mean, there’s some stuff happening in a couple projects, but… yeah. I’m kind of waiting for…
60 00:10:08.090 ⇒ 00:10:11.089 Samuel Roberts: Oh, and we set a meeting, finally, for tomorrow with ABC.
61 00:10:12.010 ⇒ 00:10:17.470 Samuel Roberts: Just blocking some work that way, but overall for the AI team, I think we’re pretty good this week.
62 00:10:19.570 ⇒ 00:10:20.360 Awaish Kumar: Okay.
63 00:10:23.200 ⇒ 00:10:26.310 Samuel Roberts: Yeah, I don’t have a ton of issues there. I think…
64 00:10:26.890 ⇒ 00:10:34.570 Samuel Roberts: just for, you know, completeness. Like, Mustafa, I think, was looking at the platform a little bit today, because he didn’t have a ton of work.
65 00:10:34.880 ⇒ 00:10:36.320 Awaish Kumar: on other stuff.
66 00:10:36.700 ⇒ 00:10:40.730 Samuel Roberts: And then, I got him set up on that.
67 00:10:41.260 ⇒ 00:10:45.670 Samuel Roberts: I’m going through a lot of the… Tickets.
68 00:10:45.910 ⇒ 00:10:49.680 Samuel Roberts: That are kind of in the backlog in various
69 00:10:49.870 ⇒ 00:11:00.420 Samuel Roberts: dates, to try to match them to the OKRs, so that, like, as we get new tickets, we’ll start organizing them by the OKRs, for the internal stuff.
70 00:11:01.610 ⇒ 00:11:06.089 Samuel Roberts: That’s one thing that’s updated. I updated the OKR spreadsheet.
71 00:11:06.320 ⇒ 00:11:13.079 Samuel Roberts: We now can track who’s using the platform and when. I added some post hoc analytics.
72 00:11:15.420 ⇒ 00:11:21.789 Samuel Roberts: So it’s… it was added, like, Friday, Thursday or Friday, so it was just a day, but hopefully we’ll see that number go up.
73 00:11:22.060 ⇒ 00:11:26.650 Samuel Roberts: But we’re at least tracking it now. And then I wanted to talk about the…
74 00:11:27.100 ⇒ 00:11:31.600 Samuel Roberts: what is it called? The AI leverage metric a little bit?
75 00:11:31.760 ⇒ 00:11:37.580 Samuel Roberts: But Upton’s not here, so I… we might want to hold onto that, but,
76 00:11:39.250 ⇒ 00:11:43.590 Samuel Roberts: Yeah, the other ones are kind of in progress, but we don’t have numbers yet.
77 00:11:43.840 ⇒ 00:11:50.399 Samuel Roberts: I’m working with Ricoh to kind of PM some of this stuff, so that we can start documenting workflows.
78 00:11:53.950 ⇒ 00:11:55.609 Samuel Roberts: Yeah.
79 00:11:57.590 ⇒ 00:11:59.100 Samuel Roberts: End of my update.
80 00:12:05.660 ⇒ 00:12:06.360 Samuel Roberts: Yeah.
81 00:12:07.170 ⇒ 00:12:12.329 Awaish Kumar: Like, AI leverage metric, like, what’s that for?
82 00:12:13.770 ⇒ 00:12:21.090 Samuel Roberts: Yeah, so the idea there, and this is where I probably need a little discussion time with you, Tom, is just trying to see
83 00:12:21.650 ⇒ 00:12:27.340 Samuel Roberts: where AI is getting used, and, and measuring it a little bit.
84 00:12:27.880 ⇒ 00:12:33.339 Samuel Roberts: So, I think… I’m working on some stuff that’ll add, like.
85 00:12:33.840 ⇒ 00:12:40.609 Samuel Roberts: not just the post hog for tracking who’s using the platform, but actually tracking the AI calls and seeing, like, token usage and stuff.
86 00:12:41.080 ⇒ 00:12:47.690 Samuel Roberts: The question becomes, then, how detailed do we want to get with it?
87 00:12:47.860 ⇒ 00:12:53.499 Samuel Roberts: And that’s where I, like, N8N is a little hard to monitor that way.
88 00:12:53.610 ⇒ 00:12:58.660 Samuel Roberts: And we’re leaning on that a lot right now, so that might mean moving some stuff over.
89 00:13:00.150 ⇒ 00:13:02.750 Samuel Roberts: But I wanted to just kind of get a sense from him.
90 00:13:03.340 ⇒ 00:13:10.669 Samuel Roberts: how deep to go in that. I think the first… first thing to do is add it to the platform, so when people are chatting with, like, the…
91 00:13:11.130 ⇒ 00:13:19.290 Samuel Roberts: The meeting agent and stuff, we can see, okay, tokens are getting used, tokens are getting returned, we have some metric there.
92 00:13:19.530 ⇒ 00:13:22.160 Samuel Roberts: But moving some of the NNN stuff out.
93 00:13:22.390 ⇒ 00:13:24.520 Samuel Roberts: It’s a little more long-term, I think, so…
94 00:13:24.830 ⇒ 00:13:27.959 Samuel Roberts: But just creating that is important, so…
95 00:13:35.870 ⇒ 00:13:39.309 Samuel Roberts: But that was also dependent on getting the new platform out, which is now…
96 00:13:40.940 ⇒ 00:13:42.800 Awaish Kumar: No, okay.
97 00:13:50.390 ⇒ 00:13:53.130 Samuel Roberts: Or things on your end, I guess.
98 00:13:59.570 ⇒ 00:14:08.539 Awaish Kumar: Okay, we have also added, like, deals in the… The, like, platform, right?
99 00:14:08.540 ⇒ 00:14:09.540 Samuel Roberts: On the platform?
100 00:14:10.120 ⇒ 00:14:10.860 Awaish Kumar: Yeah.
101 00:14:11.090 ⇒ 00:14:16.239 Samuel Roberts: Yes, so we have some issues with that, where the way it’s set up, it was,
102 00:14:16.370 ⇒ 00:14:22.539 Samuel Roberts: It was pulling… data from HubSpot into Supabase.
103 00:14:22.880 ⇒ 00:14:27.170 Samuel Roberts: And then we were viewing that, so it wasn’t kind of staying in sync super well.
104 00:14:27.670 ⇒ 00:14:34.730 Samuel Roberts: And we learned that HubSpot only allows you one trigger in N8N, so every time we added a new one, it kind of…
105 00:14:35.270 ⇒ 00:14:42.169 Samuel Roberts: stop the other ones, so the plan is to integrate that directly to HubSpot, so it can go back and forth.
106 00:14:42.400 ⇒ 00:14:49.099 Samuel Roberts: And make… yeah, then you can make changes here, add notes and things, that’ll get synced back.
107 00:14:49.610 ⇒ 00:14:58.650 Samuel Roberts: Which could be… Could be really helpful, for, you know, sales.
108 00:14:59.300 ⇒ 00:15:04.800 Samuel Roberts: Especially if we can tie that into the client hub eventually, and have, like, meeting results and things, I think it could be really cool.
109 00:15:11.380 ⇒ 00:15:15.789 Samuel Roberts: Yeah, how much… how much do you use the platform? Do you use the meeting.
110 00:15:16.640 ⇒ 00:15:18.219 Awaish Kumar: Any feature at all?
111 00:15:19.010 ⇒ 00:15:27.179 Awaish Kumar: I’d… I do use, like, I actually use it for… mostly for getting the summary or the transcript.
112 00:15:27.420 ⇒ 00:15:28.130 Awaish Kumar: Yeah.
113 00:15:28.130 ⇒ 00:15:28.650 Samuel Roberts: Totally.
114 00:15:28.790 ⇒ 00:15:36.280 Awaish Kumar: the GPT here, I… Like, it does not give the responses,
115 00:15:36.560 ⇒ 00:15:40.969 Awaish Kumar: Kind of where you want, like, Have… have you used granola?
116 00:15:41.390 ⇒ 00:15:49.119 Awaish Kumar: Granola is kind of… Like, reads your transcript as a platform.
117 00:15:49.670 ⇒ 00:15:50.730 Awaish Kumar: And.
118 00:15:50.730 ⇒ 00:15:51.080 Samuel Roberts: Yeah.
119 00:15:51.080 ⇒ 00:15:53.190 Awaish Kumar: It categorizes it.
120 00:15:53.310 ⇒ 00:15:56.629 Awaish Kumar: And, you know, bullet points, you know, in a much better way.
121 00:15:56.910 ⇒ 00:16:00.100 Awaish Kumar: I try to use this, our chatbot.
122 00:16:00.380 ⇒ 00:16:08.499 Awaish Kumar: Which, like, similarly, what I do is basically come in and, like, copy-paste the transcript and go back to ChatGPT,
123 00:16:08.690 ⇒ 00:16:15.050 Awaish Kumar: I think that… I don’t know why, but that gives better responses than I directly chat in our…
124 00:16:15.220 ⇒ 00:16:16.360 Awaish Kumar: Chatbox.
125 00:16:17.110 ⇒ 00:16:18.510 Awaish Kumar: Okay.
126 00:16:18.510 ⇒ 00:16:27.600 Samuel Roberts: That’s good to hear, because I… we definitely need to improve that, and I need, you know, feedback, you know? That’s great, okay. Yeah, I think,
127 00:16:28.010 ⇒ 00:16:38.959 Samuel Roberts: I think part of this is the N8N Client Hub stuff is fairly unvoluted, so there’s not, like, a really easy way to, like, tweak prompts and stuff.
128 00:16:39.430 ⇒ 00:16:45.219 Samuel Roberts: So that’s a project, but that’s… okay, so I’m wondering… I guess I’m curious, what…
129 00:16:45.430 ⇒ 00:16:48.249 Samuel Roberts: does ChatGPT do better, specifically?
130 00:16:48.980 ⇒ 00:16:52.409 Samuel Roberts: I can change… I can tweak prompts to allow things differently.
131 00:16:52.410 ⇒ 00:16:59.760 Awaish Kumar: Yeah, I guess You can categorize things better, like, give proper headings,
132 00:16:59.960 ⇒ 00:17:02.899 Awaish Kumar: If we are talking about different work streams, it can…
133 00:17:03.230 ⇒ 00:17:07.610 Awaish Kumar: Have some different headings, and then the bullet points.
134 00:17:07.800 ⇒ 00:17:12.970 Awaish Kumar: And it seems much more closer to what we talked about.
135 00:17:13.440 ⇒ 00:17:15.290 Samuel Roberts: Yeah.
136 00:17:15.290 ⇒ 00:17:16.650 Awaish Kumar: We’re judged.
137 00:17:16.880 ⇒ 00:17:18.619 Awaish Kumar: chat box is small.
138 00:17:18.880 ⇒ 00:17:22.350 Awaish Kumar: Like, some generic bullet points.
139 00:17:25.369 ⇒ 00:17:33.299 Samuel Roberts: Okay, interesting. Yeah, I should maybe test that out by taking a transcript into… into ChatGPT and seeing just how it does it.
140 00:17:33.509 ⇒ 00:17:37.369 Samuel Roberts: Are you using any, like, custom prompts for that in ChatGPT?
141 00:17:37.840 ⇒ 00:17:39.379 Awaish Kumar: No, no, I’ll…
142 00:17:40.130 ⇒ 00:17:40.900 Samuel Roberts: Okay, okay.
143 00:17:40.900 ⇒ 00:17:42.079 Awaish Kumar: Just reading out.
144 00:17:42.080 ⇒ 00:17:57.259 Samuel Roberts: Yeah, I think… I think part of it is… is the NFLO. It’s tying it to, like, the Supabase RAG agent, whereas I think I… if we can restructure it, we can maybe just pass in the transcript, and kind of…
145 00:17:57.320 ⇒ 00:18:02.319 Samuel Roberts: have a simple prompt for that, but I think it’s doing a lot, or trying to do a lot, which is why it’s also very slow.
146 00:18:02.580 ⇒ 00:18:08.440 Samuel Roberts: I have some ideas to fix that, but…
147 00:18:09.040 ⇒ 00:18:13.640 Samuel Roberts: That’s, yeah, that’s in progress, but, definitely good feedback, thank you.
148 00:18:13.750 ⇒ 00:18:17.019 Awaish Kumar: I’m definitely struggling to get some feedback from people, because I want to hear…
149 00:18:17.020 ⇒ 00:18:19.060 Samuel Roberts: I want to hear these things, good and bad, you know?
150 00:18:20.810 ⇒ 00:18:22.160 Awaish Kumar: Oh, yep.
151 00:18:23.690 ⇒ 00:18:25.000 Awaish Kumar: Okay, yeah.
152 00:18:25.430 ⇒ 00:18:26.780 Awaish Kumar: Utom is here.
153 00:18:27.050 ⇒ 00:18:31.200 Uttam Kumaran: Hey guys. Sorry, I was just trying to eat some lunch real quick, but…
154 00:18:31.660 ⇒ 00:18:33.210 Samuel Roberts: Yeah, let’s.
155 00:18:33.860 ⇒ 00:18:36.020 Uttam Kumaran: Let’s go ahead, however we want to take this.
156 00:18:38.140 ⇒ 00:18:41.750 Samuel Roberts: Yeah, so we were just chatting a little bit, I went through some of the stuff that I…
157 00:18:42.220 ⇒ 00:18:47.599 Samuel Roberts: I’m done. I’m on my phone right now, I don’t know if you saw my message, but the power went out, like, 10 minutes before this meeting.
158 00:18:47.600 ⇒ 00:18:49.540 Uttam Kumaran: Yes, I saw that. No, you’re all good.
159 00:18:49.900 ⇒ 00:18:54.600 Samuel Roberts: Yeah, yeah, I’m just sitting here on the phone, so hopefully things stay alive long enough.
160 00:18:55.690 ⇒ 00:18:57.360 Awaish Kumar: Like.
161 00:18:57.360 ⇒ 00:18:59.850 Samuel Roberts: Yeah. Because, yeah, go ahead.
162 00:19:00.140 ⇒ 00:19:11.919 Awaish Kumar: Yeah, we just talked about a few of the things. Updates, like the labels things, like, Sam already added a few there, and I have shared it with PMO as well.
163 00:19:12.770 ⇒ 00:19:13.440 Uttam Kumaran: Okay.
164 00:19:13.620 ⇒ 00:19:16.320 Awaish Kumar: And maybe we’ll get feedback from the team.
165 00:19:17.310 ⇒ 00:19:18.080 Samuel Roberts: Okay.
166 00:19:18.080 ⇒ 00:19:19.199 Awaish Kumar: And ask for their feedback.
167 00:19:19.200 ⇒ 00:19:22.499 Uttam Kumaran: Maybe we could just, like, take a look at it together real quick?
168 00:19:23.800 ⇒ 00:19:24.440 Samuel Roberts: Good evening.
169 00:19:26.840 ⇒ 00:19:33.360 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, I guess, I guess my only comment was, like, if we wanted to have…
170 00:19:34.500 ⇒ 00:19:38.850 Uttam Kumaran: Different labels for every team, or if we wanted to have the same one.
171 00:19:42.520 ⇒ 00:19:48.459 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, I guess, like, that’s probably my first question, but I guess I can see why you want… you may want to have it differently.
172 00:19:50.140 ⇒ 00:19:52.849 Samuel Roberts: I think certain things like grooming, or even
173 00:19:53.830 ⇒ 00:19:56.549 Samuel Roberts: Issues, bugs could be kind of the same.
174 00:19:56.720 ⇒ 00:20:04.239 Samuel Roberts: spike is kind of the same, but as I was kind of digging through a little bit, I was… because it’s a little hard to even map out some of the…
175 00:20:04.440 ⇒ 00:20:06.550 Samuel Roberts: Standard stuff we do, so it’s kind of…
176 00:20:07.420 ⇒ 00:20:14.330 Samuel Roberts: basic, just, building agents and prompt engineering and testing and stuff. It feels different to me than…
177 00:20:14.330 ⇒ 00:20:22.230 Awaish Kumar: I think, like, things like Spike needs grooming, these were the tickets which can be global, but otherwise.
178 00:20:22.230 ⇒ 00:20:22.780 Samuel Roberts: Yeah.
179 00:20:22.970 ⇒ 00:20:29.199 Awaish Kumar: Like, if we are building a DVD model, or, like, that’s built… it’s completely different.
180 00:20:30.420 ⇒ 00:20:31.030 Uttam Kumaran: Okay.
181 00:20:32.490 ⇒ 00:20:32.860 Awaish Kumar: Work.
182 00:20:32.860 ⇒ 00:20:36.519 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, I would suggest having those global ones carved out.
183 00:20:36.520 ⇒ 00:20:37.280 Awaish Kumar: Okay.
184 00:20:37.280 ⇒ 00:20:37.940 Samuel Roberts: Yeah.
185 00:20:37.940 ⇒ 00:20:50.660 Uttam Kumaran: That way, because again, it’s like, all this is going to be used for filtering and segmentation, right? So ideally, we can look at… if it’s AI team and it’s grooming, then you’ll get all the context versus having AI in the title here, you know?
186 00:20:50.660 ⇒ 00:20:51.200 Awaish Kumar: Yep.
187 00:20:51.860 ⇒ 00:20:53.560 Samuel Roberts: No, I think so, I think so, yeah.
188 00:20:53.660 ⇒ 00:20:54.390 Samuel Roberts: Come on.
189 00:20:54.390 ⇒ 00:20:55.020 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah.
190 00:20:56.520 ⇒ 00:20:58.850 Samuel Roberts: Yeah, to be pretty clear what it’s for.
191 00:21:01.970 ⇒ 00:21:02.650 Samuel Roberts: Yeah.
192 00:21:04.110 ⇒ 00:21:05.540 Samuel Roberts: Excuse me.
193 00:21:06.650 ⇒ 00:21:07.270 Uttam Kumaran: Okay.
194 00:21:07.700 ⇒ 00:21:20.419 Samuel Roberts: Yeah, there were a couple here I wasn’t 100% sure on, like prompt engineering and feature development and agent and automation orchestration, but the idea there was, like, levels of complexity, I think, in what’s being built.
195 00:21:23.410 ⇒ 00:21:29.090 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah… I think feature… development…
196 00:21:30.230 ⇒ 00:21:35.930 Uttam Kumaran: like, this… if this is more like… this is more like UX or chat, then I would just change that.
197 00:21:39.160 ⇒ 00:21:43.840 Uttam Kumaran: Does this… Seems like… Like, feature development is, like, pretty broad.
198 00:21:44.940 ⇒ 00:21:48.860 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, well, my thought was that it was, like, specific features, like, this…
199 00:21:49.050 ⇒ 00:21:54.729 Samuel Roberts: Our agent, you know, automation feels like multiple things strung together.
200 00:21:55.150 ⇒ 00:21:57.529 Samuel Roberts: Whereas, like, feature might be adding…
201 00:21:58.170 ⇒ 00:22:00.659 Samuel Roberts: Something smaller to a pre-existing thing.
202 00:22:02.730 ⇒ 00:22:06.330 Uttam Kumaran: It just needs to be, like, really easy for a PM to decide what the.
203 00:22:06.330 ⇒ 00:22:06.880 Samuel Roberts: I’m a woman.
204 00:22:06.880 ⇒ 00:22:09.210 Uttam Kumaran: Basically. So ideally, like…
205 00:22:09.210 ⇒ 00:22:09.690 Samuel Roberts: But…
206 00:22:09.690 ⇒ 00:22:10.450 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah.
207 00:22:12.660 ⇒ 00:22:13.939 Samuel Roberts: That’s a good point.
208 00:22:15.530 ⇒ 00:22:18.030 Samuel Roberts: We could probably combine then.
209 00:22:18.230 ⇒ 00:22:20.169 Samuel Roberts: Make it a little simpler.
210 00:22:20.170 ⇒ 00:22:24.110 Uttam Kumaran: Can we just do that right now? Oh, okay, you’re on your phone. Okay, nevermind.
211 00:22:24.110 ⇒ 00:22:29.700 Samuel Roberts: I’m looking at it in Notion, but I don’t have internet on my laptop, but yeah, I can, I can…
212 00:22:29.960 ⇒ 00:22:33.860 Samuel Roberts: do that. I wanted to run this by Casey Mustafa, make sure they’re comfortable with.
213 00:22:33.860 ⇒ 00:22:34.240 Uttam Kumaran: Okay.
214 00:22:34.240 ⇒ 00:22:35.319 Samuel Roberts: too, and understand.
215 00:22:35.670 ⇒ 00:22:36.440 Awaish Kumar: Examiner.
216 00:22:37.030 ⇒ 00:22:39.549 Samuel Roberts: We’ll kind of combine those into one thing, then.
217 00:22:39.790 ⇒ 00:22:45.249 Uttam Kumaran: For example, AIOps production support sounds pretty similar to, like, just observability.
218 00:22:45.800 ⇒ 00:22:53.919 Uttam Kumaran: Right? So, I think there’s gonna be some global things, like, every team is gonna have something around observability, probably.
219 00:22:54.420 ⇒ 00:22:55.569 Samuel Roberts: That’s probably true.
220 00:22:55.890 ⇒ 00:23:00.520 Uttam Kumaran: So I think a way, should we just decide on what those global things are, that’s probably fine. And then…
221 00:23:00.890 ⇒ 00:23:03.230 Uttam Kumaran: I mean, like, we want as… we want…
222 00:23:03.690 ⇒ 00:23:08.969 Uttam Kumaran: Ideally, like, as little labels as, like, really necessary.
223 00:23:09.180 ⇒ 00:23:09.930 Uttam Kumaran: Cause…
224 00:23:09.930 ⇒ 00:23:10.590 Samuel Roberts: Yeah.
225 00:23:10.590 ⇒ 00:23:15.269 Uttam Kumaran: Otherwise, the PM team is gonna have a hard time deciding on what it is.
226 00:23:17.640 ⇒ 00:23:24.699 Uttam Kumaran: So, like, for example, data investigation, I would… I would combine with… Data issues, somehow.
227 00:23:25.070 ⇒ 00:23:25.610 Uttam Kumaran: You know.
228 00:23:26.740 ⇒ 00:23:34.729 Awaish Kumar: like, I wanted to capture, like, the… like, the issues which are coming in on, like, on ongoing dashboards.
229 00:23:34.930 ⇒ 00:23:40.460 Awaish Kumar: But then the, like, post-deprimal issue, like, For example.
230 00:23:40.460 ⇒ 00:23:41.110 Uttam Kumaran: Okay.
231 00:23:41.370 ⇒ 00:23:47.209 Awaish Kumar: A new model deployed, and then there are a lot of issues coming in for that model in the just…
232 00:23:47.340 ⇒ 00:23:53.059 Awaish Kumar: In just a week, then that means they’re not properly deployed in the first place.
233 00:23:54.240 ⇒ 00:23:55.000 Samuel Roberts: But then I.
234 00:23:55.000 ⇒ 00:23:56.739 Uttam Kumaran: I would say that… I would say that…
235 00:23:57.020 ⇒ 00:24:00.419 Uttam Kumaran: This is an issue, and then it gets categorized as data modeling.
236 00:24:02.760 ⇒ 00:24:09.069 Uttam Kumaran: Basically, the discovery is different, discovery and investigation is different than the resulting task, right? Is kind of my thought.
237 00:24:14.520 ⇒ 00:24:18.240 Samuel Roberts: Yeah, like a triage kind of thing, and see what it is, and then do it.
238 00:24:18.360 ⇒ 00:24:21.579 Samuel Roberts: And if it becomes a big enough thing that it’s…
239 00:24:21.860 ⇒ 00:24:24.480 Samuel Roberts: You need to do some, like, root positive analysis.
240 00:24:24.480 ⇒ 00:24:27.400 Awaish Kumar: Categorizing them as a spike, right? Right now.
241 00:24:28.810 ⇒ 00:24:29.350 Samuel Roberts: Mmm.
242 00:24:29.350 ⇒ 00:24:36.800 Uttam Kumaran: But Spike is more about evaluating, like, an issue. I would just put new data issue triage
243 00:24:37.030 ⇒ 00:24:42.699 Uttam Kumaran: Because then, after the triage, it should result in several tickets that involve one of these, right?
244 00:24:45.050 ⇒ 00:24:50.430 Uttam Kumaran: So I would probably combine these two, data ingestion… data investigation and these.
245 00:24:58.440 ⇒ 00:25:06.999 Awaish Kumar: But if we call them data-issued, how would you differentiate between the new one and the… Like, the motors.
246 00:25:07.000 ⇒ 00:25:12.529 Uttam Kumaran: But it’s less about… it’s less about new or old, it’s just that there is an issue.
247 00:25:14.680 ⇒ 00:25:15.490 Uttam Kumaran: Right.
248 00:25:15.810 ⇒ 00:25:24.230 Uttam Kumaran: So across the board, you want to have a label just for, like, there’s an issue, it gets investigated, and it results in data modeling work, or data engineering work.
249 00:25:27.750 ⇒ 00:25:28.570 Awaish Kumar: Okay.
250 00:25:40.310 ⇒ 00:25:40.950 Uttam Kumaran: Perfect.
251 00:25:51.270 ⇒ 00:25:52.370 Samuel Roberts: Hello.
252 00:25:53.720 ⇒ 00:25:55.160 Samuel Roberts: Lights just clicked on.
253 00:25:56.300 ⇒ 00:25:57.240 Uttam Kumaran: Oh, nice.
254 00:25:58.070 ⇒ 00:25:59.080 Samuel Roberts: Yeah.
255 00:26:02.570 ⇒ 00:26:05.829 Samuel Roberts: Who knows if they stay on, because they projected 8PM, but…
256 00:26:07.570 ⇒ 00:26:10.880 Samuel Roberts: Okay, if I’m good with this, if you guys can finish this up, then I’m fine.
257 00:26:12.100 ⇒ 00:26:15.929 Awaish Kumar: And I suggested, like, like, currently we are using
258 00:26:16.160 ⇒ 00:26:23.499 Awaish Kumar: For ad hoc tickets, we are just using a separate project under the client, Eden.
259 00:26:23.870 ⇒ 00:26:30.420 Awaish Kumar: And we are calling it adog, all the ADOG requests go there. So is it… do you prefer that?
260 00:26:30.700 ⇒ 00:26:34.279 Awaish Kumar: Way, or we just say the adopt ticket.
261 00:26:50.710 ⇒ 00:26:51.370 Uttam Kumaran: Okay.
262 00:27:19.360 ⇒ 00:27:21.480 Uttam Kumaran: Okay, cool, I’m fine with this.
263 00:27:22.140 ⇒ 00:27:25.930 Uttam Kumaran: I would get this confirmed by them, and then, yeah, I’m good.
264 00:27:41.430 ⇒ 00:27:44.150 Awaish Kumar: Yeah, so apart from that, I…
265 00:27:44.260 ⇒ 00:27:48.480 Awaish Kumar: Only add one thing. By the end of this week, I am…
266 00:27:48.910 ⇒ 00:27:51.959 Awaish Kumar: Targeting, conducting a review.
267 00:27:52.330 ⇒ 00:27:55.259 Awaish Kumar: With the WLR day, and
268 00:27:56.320 ⇒ 00:27:59.650 Awaish Kumar: That’s all. And I just had a question about this…
269 00:27:59.770 ⇒ 00:28:04.760 Awaish Kumar: Anything you mention? Should we want to have a new repository for that?
270 00:28:08.010 ⇒ 00:28:13.070 Uttam Kumaran: With which training? Sorry? What are you gonna review? Sorry, I just missed the middle part.
271 00:28:13.260 ⇒ 00:28:17.909 Awaish Kumar: Oh, you meant… You mentioned about these monthly reviews.
272 00:28:19.640 ⇒ 00:28:20.789 Uttam Kumaran: I see.
273 00:28:24.140 ⇒ 00:28:29.789 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, I guess, like, I want to just make sure that you feel comfortable doing them, and that we can do them with
274 00:28:29.890 ⇒ 00:28:36.389 Uttam Kumaran: Like, I think I would like us to do monthly, I just want to confirm if, Sam, like, you feel ready to do it also with
275 00:28:37.320 ⇒ 00:28:43.569 Uttam Kumaran: AI team members, or… If you already feel like we’re okay with those, I guess, I don’t know.
276 00:28:45.920 ⇒ 00:28:49.430 Samuel Roberts: Yeah, no, I think, I was planning on planning the next…
277 00:28:49.910 ⇒ 00:28:58.969 Samuel Roberts: It’s coming, but I hadn’t got it scheduled yet, and I know Casey’s out a little bit now that I’m thinking of it. But I feel pretty comfortable being able to…
278 00:28:59.160 ⇒ 00:29:00.189 Samuel Roberts: Do that with them.
279 00:29:01.180 ⇒ 00:29:07.310 Uttam Kumaran: Okay, yeah, I… I guess, like, I would like us to do them, and then we… we…
280 00:29:07.890 ⇒ 00:29:13.429 Uttam Kumaran: just have a place in Notion to save them. I think you’re right in that, like, maybe we should
281 00:29:15.090 ⇒ 00:29:21.309 Uttam Kumaran: Like, what is best, oh, wait, should I just create, like, a…
282 00:29:21.430 ⇒ 00:29:23.899 Uttam Kumaran: an Angelides area, and then we…
283 00:29:24.460 ⇒ 00:29:27.210 Uttam Kumaran: We have it there, or what do you think?
284 00:29:27.680 ⇒ 00:29:29.340 Awaish Kumar: Nate, what’s fun?
285 00:29:30.860 ⇒ 00:29:32.589 Uttam Kumaran: For… for storing them.
286 00:29:32.590 ⇒ 00:29:33.220 Samuel Roberts: Yeah.
287 00:29:33.810 ⇒ 00:29:40.580 Awaish Kumar: Oh, yeah, that… That can be engineering leads, private to space.
288 00:29:43.960 ⇒ 00:29:45.220 Uttam Kumaran: Okay, yeah.
289 00:29:46.830 ⇒ 00:29:52.249 Uttam Kumaran: Let’s see… Well, we have our weekly sync page.
290 00:29:53.910 ⇒ 00:29:56.550 Uttam Kumaran: And we can just put it at the top there, like.
291 00:29:56.770 ⇒ 00:29:59.850 Uttam Kumaran: You can just put a new database there, and we can save it.
292 00:30:02.180 ⇒ 00:30:03.659 Samuel Roberts: That’s a problem.
293 00:30:03.840 ⇒ 00:30:04.220 Awaish Kumar: Bye.
294 00:30:04.220 ⇒ 00:30:05.839 Samuel Roberts: Keeps it to whoever has the payment.
295 00:30:06.940 ⇒ 00:30:11.299 Awaish Kumar: Yeah, that’s only invited to, like, 3 of us, or 4 of us.
296 00:30:12.730 ⇒ 00:30:14.860 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, I can make sure that,
297 00:30:15.930 ⇒ 00:30:21.379 Uttam Kumaran: A few… yeah, I feel like that’s fine for now, we can just… Create a new, like,
298 00:30:23.230 ⇒ 00:30:24.869 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, I guess,
299 00:30:25.810 ⇒ 00:30:29.340 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, I don’t want to overcomplicate it for now, so maybe we could just create a quick.
300 00:30:29.420 ⇒ 00:30:31.459 Awaish Kumar: Database at the top of this.
301 00:30:31.490 ⇒ 00:30:36.939 Uttam Kumaran: Like a… and then we can just start to… just put the…
302 00:30:39.950 ⇒ 00:30:41.700 Uttam Kumaran: The monthly reviews there.
303 00:30:43.840 ⇒ 00:30:44.540 Awaish Kumar: Okay.
304 00:30:52.120 ⇒ 00:30:52.720 Samuel Roberts: Yeah.
305 00:31:40.310 ⇒ 00:31:41.180 Awaish Kumar: Okay.
306 00:31:42.360 ⇒ 00:31:42.910 Uttam Kumaran: Okay.
307 00:31:54.600 ⇒ 00:32:00.400 Awaish Kumar: I just created database on top, and I will add the… Notion doc.
308 00:32:02.100 ⇒ 00:32:05.040 Awaish Kumar: There, and fill… fill everything first.
309 00:32:05.210 ⇒ 00:32:08.840 Awaish Kumar: for Demilhade, maybe ask for your review, and then,
310 00:32:09.760 ⇒ 00:32:12.410 Awaish Kumar: We’ll see if we want to schedule the meeting.
311 00:32:14.540 ⇒ 00:32:15.200 Uttam Kumaran: Okay.
312 00:32:28.160 ⇒ 00:32:37.920 Awaish Kumar: And then for… your recent message about, Omni and DBT project.
313 00:32:38.530 ⇒ 00:32:39.190 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah.
314 00:32:39.190 ⇒ 00:32:42.309 Awaish Kumar: Do you want me to create a new repository for that?
315 00:32:43.370 ⇒ 00:32:46.960 Uttam Kumaran: Can we do it in the data platform?
316 00:32:48.630 ⇒ 00:32:53.019 Awaish Kumar: I can create a DVD project inside, but we don’t have any DVD project.
317 00:32:53.420 ⇒ 00:32:54.599 Awaish Kumar: In, in Denver.
318 00:32:55.930 ⇒ 00:32:58.400 Uttam Kumaran: Okay, let’s see…
319 00:32:59.660 ⇒ 00:33:01.230 Awaish Kumar: I guess my question is…
320 00:33:01.400 ⇒ 00:33:03.539 Uttam Kumaran: Can- can we do it within this?
321 00:33:06.050 ⇒ 00:33:09.939 Awaish Kumar: Yeah, yeah, we can create, like, a dbt project inside of this representation.
322 00:33:09.940 ⇒ 00:33:13.359 Uttam Kumaran: Oh, I… yeah, I agree. Yes, you can create… you can create it right in here.
323 00:33:13.740 ⇒ 00:33:14.360 Awaish Kumar: P.
324 00:33:14.590 ⇒ 00:33:18.650 Uttam Kumaran: I’m almost considering, like, whether we should combine Dagster into here.
325 00:33:21.010 ⇒ 00:33:28.060 Uttam Kumaran: Like, why have a separate repo for Dagster… And… And this.
326 00:33:28.800 ⇒ 00:33:29.480 Awaish Kumar: Capital.
327 00:33:29.480 ⇒ 00:33:30.509 Uttam Kumaran: Like, should we just combine it?
328 00:33:30.510 ⇒ 00:33:33.019 Samuel Roberts: Is this repo contained, mostly?
329 00:33:33.820 ⇒ 00:33:39.350 Uttam Kumaran: This has, like, our internal, like, real dashboard.
330 00:33:39.520 ⇒ 00:33:41.600 Uttam Kumaran: And then this has some, like, some of our.
331 00:33:41.600 ⇒ 00:33:42.469 Samuel Roberts: Oh, okay.
332 00:33:42.810 ⇒ 00:33:44.740 Uttam Kumaran: helpful scripts.
333 00:33:45.090 ⇒ 00:33:47.120 Uttam Kumaran: That we use, like, on new clients, but…
334 00:33:47.120 ⇒ 00:33:47.550 Samuel Roberts: Got it.
335 00:33:49.800 ⇒ 00:33:53.869 Awaish Kumar: Yeah, okay, I prefer, like, shopping.
336 00:33:54.460 ⇒ 00:33:55.750 Awaish Kumar: Well, it’s…
337 00:33:55.950 ⇒ 00:34:01.589 Samuel Roberts: I kind of think, yeah, there’s a lot of stuff in that Dyxter one that might be… it might be good to just keep that as Dagster.
338 00:34:04.110 ⇒ 00:34:04.740 Uttam Kumaran: Okay.
339 00:34:05.610 ⇒ 00:34:10.489 Samuel Roberts: Is this… that’s got, like… This is, like, a lot to…
340 00:34:11.739 ⇒ 00:34:12.309 Uttam Kumaran: Okay.
341 00:34:12.730 ⇒ 00:34:16.609 Samuel Roberts: I don’t know. Seems like they have distinct purposes right now, but…
342 00:34:17.110 ⇒ 00:34:17.730 Uttam Kumaran: Okay.
343 00:34:20.440 ⇒ 00:34:23.770 Samuel Roberts: But yeah, Omni can go in here as, like, a dashboard thing that makes sense there.
344 00:34:29.400 ⇒ 00:34:30.350 Awaish Kumar: Okay.
345 00:34:41.520 ⇒ 00:34:43.520 Awaish Kumar: That’s it from my side.
346 00:34:46.650 ⇒ 00:34:48.419 Awaish Kumar: Do you have anything, Lizzo?
347 00:34:49.420 ⇒ 00:34:54.260 Uttam Kumaran: I think that’s it. Let me just double check…
348 00:34:58.480 ⇒ 00:35:00.769 Samuel Roberts: The only thing I had was, the OKRs.
349 00:35:01.580 ⇒ 00:35:04.599 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, let’s talk about that,
350 00:35:08.930 ⇒ 00:35:14.229 Uttam Kumaran: I guess I can go sec- I guess maybe we want to do a quick status update on them, and then I can.
351 00:35:16.350 ⇒ 00:35:21.320 Uttam Kumaran: I can talk about, kind of like Q4 OKRs?
352 00:35:23.010 ⇒ 00:35:23.330 Samuel Roberts: Yes.
353 00:35:24.240 ⇒ 00:35:24.940 Awaish Kumar: Okay.
354 00:35:26.890 ⇒ 00:35:31.470 Uttam Kumaran: So yeah, here is, like, what we were had for on…
355 00:35:33.640 ⇒ 00:35:38.010 Uttam Kumaran: So, I guess, like, yeah, Sam, you want to go first and sort of talk about… yeah, go ahead.
356 00:35:39.080 ⇒ 00:35:43.570 Samuel Roberts: Yeah, so, getting team members, tracking, posthog is now on there.
357 00:35:44.010 ⇒ 00:35:49.139 Samuel Roberts: Tracking people once they log in and use it. I think I added it Thursday or Friday.
358 00:35:49.310 ⇒ 00:35:56.150 Samuel Roberts: There hasn’t been a, you know, ton, but I think we had, like, 7 unique people. Yeah, that’s what I had there.
359 00:35:56.150 ⇒ 00:36:02.409 Uttam Kumaran: So maybe I just pull up… I can just pull it up right now, I just wanted… so you’re just able to see… are we able to see, like, who?
360 00:36:03.550 ⇒ 00:36:09.149 Samuel Roberts: Yeah, yeah, so I asked… so initially it wasn’t, that’s one of… that’s one of the things I was working on, because everyone has to be off.
361 00:36:09.340 ⇒ 00:36:17.520 Samuel Roberts: just using that, so we’ll see their emails at least, and we can probably go into postdog and update that with name and stuff if we want, but… Cool. Emails are pretty clear what they are.
362 00:36:17.660 ⇒ 00:36:20.340 Samuel Roberts: Yeah, if you go here, and click…
363 00:36:20.770 ⇒ 00:36:24.330 Samuel Roberts: Like, on, like, one of those points on the daily active users or something?
364 00:36:25.790 ⇒ 00:36:29.500 Samuel Roberts: And then that should open up and show you who. There’s a couple there from testing, I think, as well.
365 00:36:29.500 ⇒ 00:36:30.340 Uttam Kumaran: Nice.
366 00:36:32.190 ⇒ 00:36:40.259 Samuel Roberts: Yeah, and then, right now, everything, I think… like, I really just mostly wanted that count, and we can see events and things.
367 00:36:40.260 ⇒ 00:36:40.940 Uttam Kumaran: Yes.
368 00:36:42.410 ⇒ 00:36:46.480 Samuel Roberts: But I haven’t dug into that as much, I was really just looking… daily active.
369 00:36:47.330 ⇒ 00:36:48.200 Uttam Kumaran: Okay.
370 00:36:48.890 ⇒ 00:36:54.140 Samuel Roberts: That kind of dovetails into the AI leverage thing, because there is a way to track LLM usage in post hog.
371 00:36:54.410 ⇒ 00:36:58.520 Samuel Roberts: I’m…
372 00:36:59.280 ⇒ 00:37:00.520 Uttam Kumaran: Oh, well, I guess, what do you
373 00:37:02.460 ⇒ 00:37:04.870 Uttam Kumaran: I guess, what would your… yeah, tell me what you’re thinking.
374 00:37:05.620 ⇒ 00:37:11.939 Samuel Roberts: Yeah, so one of the things, like, just setting the baseline is just getting some idea. I think…
375 00:37:12.680 ⇒ 00:37:17.179 Samuel Roberts: I was actually emailing back and forth with the Copilot Kit people, because they emailed me to just say, like.
376 00:37:17.600 ⇒ 00:37:27.599 Samuel Roberts: Doesn’t look like you’ve been using it, even though we have been. I’m not sure how they don’t think that, but I was asking about that a little bit, because observability in Copilot Kit isn’t quite the same as, like, the LLM stuff.
377 00:37:27.930 ⇒ 00:37:36.710 Samuel Roberts: But I’m able to… I was able to, on a separate branch, test out, LangFuse…
378 00:37:36.860 ⇒ 00:37:39.050 Samuel Roberts: wrapped around OpenAI.
379 00:37:39.880 ⇒ 00:37:44.570 Samuel Roberts: So, that kind of skirts the co-pilot kit issue a little bit.
380 00:37:44.780 ⇒ 00:37:47.639 Samuel Roberts: Because it’s just, if it makes a call to OpenAI, we see it.
381 00:37:49.450 ⇒ 00:37:56.830 Samuel Roberts: And then we can get token usage and stuff from that. The issue becomes NATN is also being called by CopilotKit.
382 00:37:57.850 ⇒ 00:38:03.150 Samuel Roberts: And we don’t have a ton of visibility into, like, That stuff right now.
383 00:38:03.420 ⇒ 00:38:11.410 Samuel Roberts: So for the, like, leverage, the AI leverage, metric… I guess I’m wondering, like.
384 00:38:12.740 ⇒ 00:38:15.170 Samuel Roberts: Yo, are we talking also just the platform?
385 00:38:16.560 ⇒ 00:38:19.279 Uttam Kumaran: No, I think… Okay.
386 00:38:19.520 ⇒ 00:38:24.829 Uttam Kumaran: So, like, if I… I would say this includes both, like, you would need to put some thought into, like.
387 00:38:25.990 ⇒ 00:38:37.769 Uttam Kumaran: how, like, estimating, like, what is AI leverage across the business, right? So, like, my idea… my, like, thought is, like, okay, this could include cursor usage, this could include…
388 00:38:37.770 ⇒ 00:38:38.830 Samuel Roberts: It’s okay, that’s what I’m… yeah.
389 00:38:38.830 ⇒ 00:38:43.240 Uttam Kumaran: ChatGBT usage, it could include…
390 00:38:43.640 ⇒ 00:38:47.430 Uttam Kumaran: Granola usage, and it could include the platform usage.
391 00:38:47.550 ⇒ 00:38:54.389 Uttam Kumaran: And then, just basically my goal is just, like, come up with some… Like, calculation of a number?
392 00:38:55.700 ⇒ 00:38:58.839 Uttam Kumaran: Like, and then just publish it, you know?
393 00:39:01.050 ⇒ 00:39:02.430 Samuel Roberts: Okay, that makes sense, that’s one thing.
394 00:39:02.430 ⇒ 00:39:02.890 Uttam Kumaran: It doesn’t have to be.
395 00:39:02.890 ⇒ 00:39:03.630 Samuel Roberts: so much on the platform.
396 00:39:03.630 ⇒ 00:39:04.170 Uttam Kumaran: It doesn’t have to…
397 00:39:04.170 ⇒ 00:39:05.199 Samuel Roberts: that I was, like…
398 00:39:05.550 ⇒ 00:39:12.930 Samuel Roberts: Yeah, of course. It won’t be for a little bit, at least, but… Okay, yeah, I gotta put a little more thought into some of the other tools and stuff, and understanding.
399 00:39:14.020 ⇒ 00:39:17.249 Samuel Roberts: What we can see from those, at least.
400 00:39:17.250 ⇒ 00:39:17.920 Uttam Kumaran: Okay.
401 00:39:18.870 ⇒ 00:39:26.550 Samuel Roberts: But that’s why I’ve been so focused on getting the platform stuff that I was digging into, like, oh, how… and it ends up, and I think as we start… if we start moving away.
402 00:39:26.550 ⇒ 00:39:31.139 Uttam Kumaran: You can start it with just platform if you want, like, I think more importantly here is just to, like.
403 00:39:31.570 ⇒ 00:39:42.600 Uttam Kumaran: For example, if you’re like, cool, it’s an index, so it’s, like, 0 to 100, and you’re like, we want to start by just doing it as a percent of people that use the platform, and then you want to start layering on more sources, like, we could do that process.
404 00:39:42.600 ⇒ 00:39:43.450 Samuel Roberts: Smart, yeah.
405 00:39:44.000 ⇒ 00:39:51.730 Uttam Kumaran: I guess the point of the index is so that it forces you to see everything, but it’s… it’s sort of, like, more useful is, like, actually these individual
406 00:39:52.510 ⇒ 00:39:54.410 Uttam Kumaran: KRs, you know, so…
407 00:39:54.410 ⇒ 00:39:58.450 Samuel Roberts: Yeah, yeah. But yeah, getting something is good. Okay, that… that is helpful, because I’ve been…
408 00:39:58.760 ⇒ 00:40:04.289 Samuel Roberts: digging into, like, the instrumentation tracking of the platform, and I haven’t thought big picture yet, so I get it.
409 00:40:04.560 ⇒ 00:40:05.270 Uttam Kumaran: Okay.
410 00:40:05.270 ⇒ 00:40:05.850 Samuel Roberts: Okay.
411 00:40:06.540 ⇒ 00:40:14.379 Samuel Roberts: And then, yeah, the other ones are… we’re working with Ricoh to PM, like, getting…
412 00:40:14.500 ⇒ 00:40:16.880 Samuel Roberts: Workflows, documenting stuff, so…
413 00:40:17.540 ⇒ 00:40:18.869 Uttam Kumaran: Okay, okay, cool.
414 00:40:22.070 ⇒ 00:40:27.959 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, so I think this would be something that’s very, very helpful, and yeah, if Rico’s taking care of that, I’m actually… that’s perfect.
415 00:40:28.940 ⇒ 00:40:34.789 Samuel Roberts: Yeah, I think… I think we… we set some, like, plans for that. I gotta… I think we have a check-in tomorrow as well, so…
416 00:40:34.790 ⇒ 00:40:35.200 Uttam Kumaran: Okay.
417 00:40:35.200 ⇒ 00:40:36.440 Samuel Roberts: And start moving on that.
418 00:40:37.240 ⇒ 00:40:38.500 Uttam Kumaran: Okay, okay, cool.
419 00:40:38.910 ⇒ 00:40:43.479 Uttam Kumaran: And then this one also is just, like, Again, it’s sort of,
420 00:40:44.040 ⇒ 00:40:48.969 Uttam Kumaran: my push on just, like, the AI… like, basically what you’re able to look at is that
421 00:40:49.750 ⇒ 00:40:55.639 Uttam Kumaran: for example, I want to just make sure that our PMs are using AI to create tickets. So ideally.
422 00:40:55.640 ⇒ 00:40:56.100 Samuel Roberts: Yeah.
423 00:40:56.100 ⇒ 00:40:59.910 Uttam Kumaran: Like, if a ticket’s created from the platform.
424 00:41:00.100 ⇒ 00:41:02.610 Uttam Kumaran: you should tag it with, like, AI team created.
425 00:41:02.780 ⇒ 00:41:04.529 Uttam Kumaran: That way you can start to…
426 00:41:04.770 ⇒ 00:41:07.029 Uttam Kumaran: Full of quick calculation, you know?
427 00:41:07.370 ⇒ 00:41:14.840 Samuel Roberts: Totally, yeah, I think that’s smart. Yeah, because I was actually… I think I was talking to, like, Rico, and how he uses it versus Amber uses it, and stuff like that.
428 00:41:17.160 ⇒ 00:41:21.760 Samuel Roberts: I also think we can add the grooming stuff now, and, like, the,
429 00:41:23.500 ⇒ 00:41:26.619 Samuel Roberts: blanket of the word, the thing that Justin put together.
430 00:41:27.310 ⇒ 00:41:29.089 Uttam Kumaran: Okay. So do you think that…
431 00:41:29.090 ⇒ 00:41:29.420 Samuel Roberts: those things.
432 00:41:29.420 ⇒ 00:41:35.420 Uttam Kumaran: like… You could have Rico fill out, like, what these are currently at right now.
433 00:41:36.770 ⇒ 00:41:41.550 Uttam Kumaran: Like, or does he have a sense of, like, is this… are we, like, halfway through? Do we feel like…
434 00:41:44.300 ⇒ 00:41:47.730 Samuel Roberts: I don’t know, I think I gotta check in with him tomorrow and get that.
435 00:41:47.730 ⇒ 00:41:48.760 Uttam Kumaran: Okay.
436 00:41:51.950 ⇒ 00:41:52.590 Uttam Kumaran: Okay.
437 00:41:54.420 ⇒ 00:42:00.209 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, because I don’t mind if the number’s low, but I think first goal is just having any number here.
438 00:42:00.320 ⇒ 00:42:02.610 Uttam Kumaran: Or, or right here, you know, yeah.
439 00:42:03.630 ⇒ 00:42:04.510 Samuel Roberts: Okay.
440 00:42:04.510 ⇒ 00:42:05.120 Uttam Kumaran: Okay.
441 00:42:05.310 ⇒ 00:42:10.160 Uttam Kumaran: So then this is, like, 100%, so we have 7 last week, so then I guess what I
442 00:42:10.580 ⇒ 00:42:11.839 Uttam Kumaran: is just have this be…
443 00:42:11.840 ⇒ 00:42:12.520 Samuel Roberts: But, yeah.
444 00:42:13.020 ⇒ 00:42:14.340 Uttam Kumaran: So I think we’re at…
445 00:42:15.030 ⇒ 00:42:18.320 Uttam Kumaran: I don’t know where we’re at, like, 15 people or so, so I’m just gonna…
446 00:42:18.320 ⇒ 00:42:21.550 Samuel Roberts: That was my next question, was I didn’t have a good way to do that, yeah, because I wasn’t sure.
447 00:42:25.610 ⇒ 00:42:26.909 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, let’s just do that.
448 00:42:27.920 ⇒ 00:42:32.640 Samuel Roberts: Yes, that was my next… I just put that number in there, because I wasn’t sure what the headcount was at.
449 00:42:34.510 ⇒ 00:42:37.769 Uttam Kumaran: Let’s just say 15, I think it’s a little bit higher, but okay.
450 00:42:38.120 ⇒ 00:42:40.040 Samuel Roberts: That’s good enough to get some number.
451 00:42:40.640 ⇒ 00:42:49.380 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, so I think… I mean, next week we’re, next week is the last week of the month, but I guess I wanna… maybe let’s quickly run through the
452 00:42:49.590 ⇒ 00:42:56.550 Uttam Kumaran: the engineering ones, and then we can talk about next quarter OKR. So, I guess very similarly,
453 00:42:57.610 ⇒ 00:43:03.470 Uttam Kumaran: We have, we have some of the values for…
454 00:43:04.060 ⇒ 00:43:09.030 Uttam Kumaran: next week, but… for last week, but I guess, Awash, tell me, like, maybe we can fill out.
455 00:43:11.040 ⇒ 00:43:14.150 Uttam Kumaran: Values for this week, like, where we’re at.
456 00:43:21.460 ⇒ 00:43:24.640 Awaish Kumar: This week, I think we have just started the week.
457 00:43:28.910 ⇒ 00:43:31.529 Uttam Kumaran: So you filled this one out at the end of last week?
458 00:43:31.730 ⇒ 00:43:32.800 Awaish Kumar: Yes.
459 00:43:33.700 ⇒ 00:43:36.350 Uttam Kumaran: Okay, so then what I’m gonna do is I’m gonna put this here.
460 00:43:38.000 ⇒ 00:43:42.200 Uttam Kumaran: And then… cause I wanna… I wanna sort of start tracking
461 00:43:43.660 ⇒ 00:43:48.120 Uttam Kumaran: like, I want to start doing a kind of, like, an update of, like, where are we at the start of the week?
462 00:43:48.460 ⇒ 00:43:49.540 Uttam Kumaran: Basically.
463 00:43:49.540 ⇒ 00:43:50.050 Awaish Kumar: Okay.
464 00:43:50.050 ⇒ 00:43:54.640 Uttam Kumaran: And then for each of these, can you put in, like, the data source so it’s easy for us to update?
465 00:43:54.910 ⇒ 00:43:57.340 Awaish Kumar: Okay, sure, I will lose.
466 00:44:00.030 ⇒ 00:44:02.729 Uttam Kumaran: Literally, if it’s, like, if it’s just a linear ticket or whatever.
467 00:44:05.690 ⇒ 00:44:08.820 Uttam Kumaran: And then what is this one?
468 00:44:11.170 ⇒ 00:44:12.059 Awaish Kumar: Yeah, it’s…
469 00:44:12.060 ⇒ 00:44:15.909 Uttam Kumaran: Shouldn’t this… should this be just a task, like, on the Eden team?
470 00:44:16.720 ⇒ 00:44:23.849 Awaish Kumar: It’s, like, mostly… it’s, like, growing for all the clients. I just added now for Eden, but it’s, like.
471 00:44:24.130 ⇒ 00:44:31.530 Awaish Kumar: For all the clients, Making sure that… Like, the documentation, the…
472 00:44:32.320 ⇒ 00:44:37.100 Awaish Kumar: Like, the architecture diagram, and these things are up to date for them.
473 00:44:40.380 ⇒ 00:44:44.649 Uttam Kumaran: Okay, but I guess my… my… I think this should just be, like, part of the…
474 00:44:45.720 ⇒ 00:44:50.729 Uttam Kumaran: like, you should just prioritize this with the PM on each of your… on each of the clients, because…
475 00:44:51.030 ⇒ 00:44:52.499 Uttam Kumaran: Instead of it being here.
476 00:44:57.390 ⇒ 00:45:00.329 Uttam Kumaran: Can I go ahead and remove it from here, or do you want me to leave it for now?
477 00:45:00.870 ⇒ 00:45:06.649 Awaish Kumar: Yeah, you can remove it, but I just wanted to add a few things as a, like, as… which are responsibilities of…
478 00:45:06.810 ⇒ 00:45:08.370 Awaish Kumar: Like, tech lead?
479 00:45:09.210 ⇒ 00:45:09.890 Uttam Kumaran: Okay.
480 00:45:10.410 ⇒ 00:45:15.880 Uttam Kumaran: I mean, yeah, I think, like, for any documentation that’s not up-to-date, if it’s client-specific, I would put it here.
481 00:45:16.110 ⇒ 00:45:20.650 Uttam Kumaran: We can… you can propose an OKR that’s, like, make sure everything’s up to date, but…
482 00:45:21.450 ⇒ 00:45:21.870 Samuel Roberts: Hmm.
483 00:45:21.870 ⇒ 00:45:30.699 Uttam Kumaran: like, I want us to actually just have these even be… we… I think one thing we’ll talk about right after this is just having even less OKRs to make sure we can accomplish all of them.
484 00:45:31.830 ⇒ 00:45:32.400 Samuel Roberts: Yeah.
485 00:45:39.350 ⇒ 00:45:52.070 Uttam Kumaran: Okay, cool. So yeah, I think for both of you guys, to just have a link to, like, what the source is for each of these would be great. Like, I think for both of these, it’s that… there’s that notion, I think we’re working on…
486 00:45:52.200 ⇒ 00:45:53.790 Uttam Kumaran: I think this one…
487 00:45:54.130 ⇒ 00:46:01.080 Uttam Kumaran: basically, it’s… hopefully, it’s probably just, like, a linear ticket, or eventually we can have this displayed in Omni as well.
488 00:46:01.260 ⇒ 00:46:06.670 Uttam Kumaran: And then for both of your contexts, like, we’ve… we’ve brought in the raw data into Omni.
489 00:46:06.780 ⇒ 00:46:09.730 Uttam Kumaran: So you both should be able to go into…
490 00:46:09.870 ⇒ 00:46:17.829 Uttam Kumaran: Omni and start to play around with, like, the raw data, and then I think Awashia’s gonna start doing some basic modeling on top of stuff.
491 00:46:18.080 ⇒ 00:46:22.420 Uttam Kumaran: But you can actually go query linear tickets, clockify hours, everything.
492 00:46:22.650 ⇒ 00:46:23.999 Uttam Kumaran: Already in there?
493 00:46:24.330 ⇒ 00:46:27.769 Uttam Kumaran: So, I think it should be pretty straightforward.
494 00:46:28.290 ⇒ 00:46:31.479 Uttam Kumaran: We will set up to start to measure some of these.
495 00:46:31.810 ⇒ 00:46:33.499 Uttam Kumaran: I don’t know, it’s just loading, but…
496 00:46:33.790 ⇒ 00:46:40.369 Uttam Kumaran: But, yeah, I can… I would say, Amber is starting to already work on stuff, so ideally, kind of, like, what…
497 00:46:40.410 ⇒ 00:46:58.050 Uttam Kumaran: what this meeting should turn to go… will eventually go into is that we’ll just pull up a dashboard, because all of these are measurable things, right? So, ideally, some of these are yes-no, like, for example, create and approve engineering productivity plan. I guess my question would be.
498 00:46:58.140 ⇒ 00:47:02.339 Uttam Kumaran: this is the KR, the result here is, did we approve a plan?
499 00:47:03.870 ⇒ 00:47:10.669 Samuel Roberts: Right. Right, so Wish, I guess my question here is this… I’m not… I’m less concerned about what the value is, I’m more concerned about.
500 00:47:10.960 ⇒ 00:47:13.289 Uttam Kumaran: Was a plan created, and did we…
501 00:47:13.520 ⇒ 00:47:16.160 Uttam Kumaran: Get it approved for engineering productivity.
502 00:47:16.780 ⇒ 00:47:18.130 Awaish Kumar: Oh, okay.
503 00:47:18.780 ⇒ 00:47:20.140 Awaish Kumar: No.
504 00:47:20.710 ⇒ 00:47:25.229 Awaish Kumar: But I was thinking more like, Have a number to mail.
505 00:47:26.100 ⇒ 00:47:32.359 Uttam Kumaran: like this, I think that’s what… I guess you… I think you just went one step further, in that you’re like, okay, I think…
506 00:47:32.760 ⇒ 00:47:44.349 Uttam Kumaran: engineering productivity is measured by the amount of average days of tickets in progress, but that’s what… I guess I want us to have that conversation about what is the measurement plan.
507 00:47:44.610 ⇒ 00:47:51.409 Uttam Kumaran: Because these will evolve over time, so if we agree as a crew that, like, hey, engineering productivity is measured by…
508 00:47:51.570 ⇒ 00:47:54.060 Uttam Kumaran: The amount of points taken on?
509 00:47:54.390 ⇒ 00:48:00.429 Uttam Kumaran: And, like, your average amount of, like, tickets in progress, or whatever, then…
510 00:48:01.210 ⇒ 00:48:07.259 Awaish Kumar: That’s what it is. But I want to approve the plan, and as part of that, you’ll have to do some discovery to see, like, what data is accurate.
511 00:48:09.120 ⇒ 00:48:10.099 Awaish Kumar: Okay, yeah.
512 00:48:12.240 ⇒ 00:48:15.819 Uttam Kumaran: So this would be great to just see some thoughts around this.
513 00:48:16.180 ⇒ 00:48:19.170 Uttam Kumaran: And then it looks like…
514 00:48:21.740 ⇒ 00:48:26.660 Uttam Kumaran: This one, again, it’s just a number, so we’ll have to find out how we measure this.
515 00:48:26.820 ⇒ 00:48:32.929 Uttam Kumaran: Conduct at least one month of engineering with all engineers. Yeah, I think Demolade is probably the only one that’s gonna happen.
516 00:48:33.390 ⇒ 00:48:38.810 Uttam Kumaran: This month, unless, Sam, you’re gonna be able to do yours with both of your folks.
517 00:48:40.600 ⇒ 00:48:42.949 Samuel Roberts: Yeah, yeah, I was thinking, my thought was…
518 00:48:43.050 ⇒ 00:48:47.089 Samuel Roberts: This week or next week, but the case is out, so I’m gonna have to see that, so it might be early October.
519 00:48:47.750 ⇒ 00:48:48.750 Samuel Roberts: Okay, okay.
520 00:48:49.590 ⇒ 00:48:57.110 Uttam Kumaran: And then, this one, I’m… this one, I’m gonna sort of, I guess, like…
521 00:48:57.270 ⇒ 00:49:00.589 Uttam Kumaran: I guess one thing maybe we can start talking about is,
522 00:49:01.430 ⇒ 00:49:05.249 Uttam Kumaran: just, like, future, like, OKRs for next quarter.
523 00:49:05.570 ⇒ 00:49:10.369 Uttam Kumaran: Like, I guess maybe I’ll start with Sam, like, how do you feel about your existing OKRs, like.
524 00:49:10.590 ⇒ 00:49:15.200 Uttam Kumaran: Do you think we should roll all of them over? Do you think we should change them at all?
525 00:49:15.340 ⇒ 00:49:18.309 Uttam Kumaran: Like, what do you think?
526 00:49:19.300 ⇒ 00:49:26.720 Samuel Roberts: Yeah, I… I imagine, since we’re so close to the end of the month, that most of them are good to roll over. Okay. The…
527 00:49:28.160 ⇒ 00:49:32.689 Samuel Roberts: Yeah, I mean, I… I think they’re… they’re still good. I don’t… you know, there’s not… I’m…
528 00:49:33.110 ⇒ 00:49:39.360 Samuel Roberts: I’m hoping that maybe 50% of tickets is a high bar, but again, we just want to get to measuring and seeing how we’re doing.
529 00:49:40.510 ⇒ 00:49:45.120 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, I guess for next quarter, for this quarter, I’m fine with, like.
530 00:49:45.400 ⇒ 00:49:51.750 Uttam Kumaran: we just need to measure things, but for next quarter, I want to accomplish all of the OKRs we signed up for. So…
531 00:49:51.750 ⇒ 00:49:53.079 Samuel Roberts: Yeah, that’s… okay.
532 00:49:53.730 ⇒ 00:49:57.599 Uttam Kumaran: as… as you know, like, I put all these together, so…
533 00:49:57.930 ⇒ 00:50:05.859 Uttam Kumaran: I’m… what I’m expecting for everybody whose name is to the left of all these is that you’re confident that you can accomplish that. Why or why not?
534 00:50:06.350 ⇒ 00:50:22.039 Uttam Kumaran: Because for me, like, this is how we’re gonna start to judge, like, kind of our leaders in the company is, like, okay, our achievement. And are you able to achieve the stuff that you sign up for, basically? So if you feel like 50% is too high, then I would…
535 00:50:22.380 ⇒ 00:50:26.769 Uttam Kumaran: think through, okay, what do you think is fair, and why? .
536 00:50:29.860 ⇒ 00:50:30.720 Samuel Roberts: Right, because…
537 00:50:30.720 ⇒ 00:50:38.469 Uttam Kumaran: we sign up for, I want to make sure we accomplish. Like, I think this quarter, this is a forcing function for, can we even measure all of these?
538 00:50:38.570 ⇒ 00:50:43.610 Uttam Kumaran: Next quarter, I want to take it as, like, okay, we can actually… can actually achieve.
539 00:50:45.460 ⇒ 00:50:46.090 Samuel Roberts: Okay.
540 00:50:48.230 ⇒ 00:50:49.650 Samuel Roberts: Yeah,
541 00:50:49.970 ⇒ 00:50:54.830 Samuel Roberts: I think that one, obviously, as we start getting a little more data in there, I’ll have a better sense of it, but…
542 00:50:56.670 ⇒ 00:50:59.139 Samuel Roberts: 50 might not be crazy, 80 might be different.
543 00:51:00.120 ⇒ 00:51:00.470 Uttam Kumaran: I guess…
544 00:51:00.470 ⇒ 00:51:01.650 Samuel Roberts: But I guess…
545 00:51:02.790 ⇒ 00:51:11.440 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, I guess my point is that, like, I want to lock this down. Like, we’re gonna try to have OKRs locked by, like, basically the start of…
546 00:51:11.970 ⇒ 00:51:26.610 Uttam Kumaran: next week, or this… this end of this week, because it is end of the week. So, I don’t need to have an answer today, but I would like to know what is… what we are going to sign up for for next quarter, and if these are fair. So this can be a discussion
547 00:51:27.130 ⇒ 00:51:29.030 Uttam Kumaran: With your team as well.
548 00:51:29.170 ⇒ 00:51:29.830 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah.
549 00:51:29.830 ⇒ 00:51:30.580 Samuel Roberts: Definitely.
550 00:51:30.580 ⇒ 00:51:33.219 Uttam Kumaran: But that’s… but that’s what I… that’s what I would suggest.
551 00:51:33.660 ⇒ 00:51:34.880 Samuel Roberts: Okay. Yeah.
552 00:51:36.080 ⇒ 00:51:36.680 Samuel Roberts: No.
553 00:51:37.600 ⇒ 00:51:41.620 Samuel Roberts: walk the number in, whether it’s these ones or anything else, by then.
554 00:51:41.620 ⇒ 00:51:44.820 Uttam Kumaran: And then I would say, like, we should… this is just launching.
555 00:51:45.070 ⇒ 00:51:52.600 Uttam Kumaran: So ideally, I would… I would hope to see that this can get done in some form this week. Again, this can be as simple as…
556 00:51:52.760 ⇒ 00:51:57.700 Uttam Kumaran: like, you could just… you just… launching an AI leverage index meaning… means…
557 00:51:58.000 ⇒ 00:52:01.530 Uttam Kumaran: Coming up with a strategy of, like, what is the index and why, and then…
558 00:52:01.530 ⇒ 00:52:02.200 Samuel Roberts: Thank you.
559 00:52:02.200 ⇒ 00:52:03.420 Uttam Kumaran: Putting a number to it.
560 00:52:03.810 ⇒ 00:52:09.759 Uttam Kumaran: So it needs to have some defensibility, but, like, I think this is not that hard to get done right now.
561 00:52:09.760 ⇒ 00:52:10.600 Samuel Roberts: by everything.
562 00:52:15.180 ⇒ 00:52:15.840 Uttam Kumaran: Cool.
563 00:52:15.840 ⇒ 00:52:16.500 Samuel Roberts: Okay.
564 00:52:16.500 ⇒ 00:52:23.719 Uttam Kumaran: Okay, so then I think for now, what I’m gonna do is, I’m just gonna… Move…
565 00:52:25.280 ⇒ 00:52:29.520 Uttam Kumaran: Right now, I’m just gonna… these are just the proposed OKRs that are here.
566 00:52:37.520 ⇒ 00:52:40.870 Uttam Kumaran: So, ideally, once we…
567 00:52:41.180 ⇒ 00:52:47.660 Uttam Kumaran: create the index, we can then start to talk about, do we want to move the index? Things like that.
568 00:52:48.700 ⇒ 00:52:49.410 Samuel Roberts: Yeah.
569 00:52:49.410 ⇒ 00:52:51.529 Uttam Kumaran: So, I’ll leave these here, and then you can…
570 00:52:52.540 ⇒ 00:52:57.079 Uttam Kumaran: sort of decide what to finalize, and then, yeah, I would like to finalize
571 00:52:57.620 ⇒ 00:53:04.970 Uttam Kumaran: by the end of this quarter, and then I’d like to make sure that we know, like, next quarter, we no longer have anything that’s not measurable.
572 00:53:05.250 ⇒ 00:53:08.809 Uttam Kumaran: So anything that’s, like, needs data, ideally we should…
573 00:53:09.220 ⇒ 00:53:13.189 Uttam Kumaran: Squash, or have a path towards squashing You know, soon.
574 00:53:18.320 ⇒ 00:53:22.780 Uttam Kumaran: And then let’s talk about, I guess with, with,
575 00:53:23.370 ⇒ 00:53:30.090 Uttam Kumaran: with engineering, how do you feel, Awash, on these, like, whether we should… Move them over, or…
576 00:53:30.490 ⇒ 00:53:31.060 Awaish Kumar: Yeah.
577 00:53:31.660 ⇒ 00:53:34.090 Awaish Kumar: Most of it can be,
578 00:53:34.460 ⇒ 00:53:40.479 Awaish Kumar: But, like, for contributing technical case studies, for this, maybe we put a number.
579 00:53:40.910 ⇒ 00:53:41.900 Awaish Kumar: Oh.
580 00:53:43.040 ⇒ 00:53:44.120 Awaish Kumar: like, whatever.
581 00:53:44.120 ⇒ 00:53:45.750 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, I think.
582 00:53:47.340 ⇒ 00:53:48.840 Awaish Kumar: Like, maybe…
583 00:53:49.180 ⇒ 00:53:54.010 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, I’m almost at the point where I’m, like, kind of, like, focused on maybe we just have 5…
584 00:53:54.600 ⇒ 00:53:59.180 Uttam Kumaran: KPIs for every single crew, because right now, this seems like a lot to focus on.
585 00:54:04.000 ⇒ 00:54:04.900 Uttam Kumaran: Right.
586 00:54:05.980 ⇒ 00:54:06.850 Awaish Kumar: EM.
587 00:54:09.830 ⇒ 00:54:10.410 Samuel Roberts: Yeah.
588 00:54:11.590 ⇒ 00:54:13.590 Samuel Roberts: No, it’s gonna be manageable on your own.
589 00:54:15.070 ⇒ 00:54:20.080 Uttam Kumaran: Like, I think you can get this done this week.
590 00:54:21.670 ⇒ 00:54:26.009 Uttam Kumaran: I think this one… Honestly, is… is probably…
591 00:54:26.570 ⇒ 00:54:32.100 Uttam Kumaran: It’s not really that easily measurable, and it’s probably, like, Duplicated by this.
592 00:54:33.560 ⇒ 00:54:36.729 Uttam Kumaran: So I’m almost at the… at the point of being, like.
593 00:54:37.850 ⇒ 00:54:43.660 Uttam Kumaran: it’s, like, considered… I’m basically at the point where maybe we just remove this, because it’s considered here.
594 00:55:08.800 ⇒ 00:55:10.040 Uttam Kumaran: And then…
595 00:55:21.750 ⇒ 00:55:24.430 Awaish Kumar: I think these are manageable.
596 00:55:25.540 ⇒ 00:55:26.500 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah.
597 00:55:34.540 ⇒ 00:55:39.879 Uttam Kumaran: This one, too, I feel like, honestly, we’re doing a good job. Like, Hannah’s going directly to teammates.
598 00:55:41.070 ⇒ 00:55:41.790 Awaish Kumar: Okay.
599 00:55:42.470 ⇒ 00:55:43.070 Samuel Roberts: Yeah.
600 00:56:07.910 ⇒ 00:56:13.979 Uttam Kumaran: So I think for this one, I feel pretty good, because we’ve now… I think Hannah’s gotten almost, like, 4 or 5 out of there.
601 00:56:14.620 ⇒ 00:56:20.429 Uttam Kumaran: So, I feel okay with just, like, not rolling this over, and I’ll just put on track.
602 00:56:21.480 ⇒ 00:56:26.200 Uttam Kumaran: I do think that we should roll… these over.
603 00:56:28.330 ⇒ 00:56:31.750 Uttam Kumaran: Or, like, I think we should roll this one, this one, and this one over.
604 00:56:35.670 ⇒ 00:56:36.590 Awaish Kumar: prom.
605 00:56:37.580 ⇒ 00:56:38.500 Uttam Kumaran: What do you think?
606 00:56:39.270 ⇒ 00:56:45.560 Awaish Kumar: Yeah, like, the other one can be created Like, this week.
607 00:56:50.180 ⇒ 00:56:52.589 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, see, this is what we had before, but…
608 00:56:56.240 ⇒ 00:56:58.220 Uttam Kumaran: So I’m gonna remove these…
609 00:57:02.500 ⇒ 00:57:06.650 Uttam Kumaran: So that’s kind of, like, what we’ll… So I think…
610 00:57:07.410 ⇒ 00:57:11.790 Uttam Kumaran: I think 5 KRs are… probably best.
611 00:57:13.870 ⇒ 00:57:17.390 Uttam Kumaran: Do you guys agree? Like, that seems fair? So then Sam would be like.
612 00:57:18.220 ⇒ 00:57:22.999 Uttam Kumaran: One more on your side? Or should we even do… should we go… aim for less?
613 00:57:25.310 ⇒ 00:57:27.310 Uttam Kumaran: Like, should we aim for 3 to 5?
614 00:57:28.610 ⇒ 00:57:36.850 Samuel Roberts: Yeah, I would say 5 max, but I think, depending on the KPIs, you know, some of them are bigger than others in certain ways, but I think…
615 00:57:36.850 ⇒ 00:57:40.350 Uttam Kumaran: Okay, I would rather have less, and then we accomplish them.
616 00:57:40.730 ⇒ 00:57:41.840 Samuel Roberts: Exactly.
617 00:57:46.830 ⇒ 00:57:47.460 Samuel Roberts: Yeah.
618 00:57:47.460 ⇒ 00:57:48.120 Uttam Kumaran: Okay.
619 00:57:59.260 ⇒ 00:58:03.109 Uttam Kumaran: Are there any other, like, OKRs that we should think about?
620 00:58:30.130 ⇒ 00:58:31.450 Samuel Roberts: I don’t have any…
621 00:58:31.470 ⇒ 00:58:33.630 Awaish Kumar: Other ideas right now, but…
622 00:58:39.160 ⇒ 00:58:42.780 Samuel Roberts: I mean, I’ve been sort of, like, doing the thing where we’re grouping the tickets by…
623 00:58:43.110 ⇒ 00:58:48.700 Samuel Roberts: What they’re gonna affect, and this has been a pretty good… Structure so far, so…
624 00:58:49.020 ⇒ 00:58:49.650 Awaish Kumar: No.
625 00:58:49.650 ⇒ 00:58:50.140 Uttam Kumaran: Okay.
626 00:58:50.140 ⇒ 00:58:53.709 Awaish Kumar: I still can’t think of any right now, but I will share it with you.
627 00:58:54.300 ⇒ 00:58:55.689 Awaish Kumar: Maybe later this week.
628 00:58:56.550 ⇒ 00:59:02.030 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, I think a good way of thinking about it is, think about, like, What you want accomplished.
629 00:59:02.260 ⇒ 00:59:10.839 Uttam Kumaran: Or, like, what would improve the company if accomplished, and, like, which… and then latter, like, what work is there that goes up into that?
630 00:59:11.820 ⇒ 00:59:12.300 Samuel Roberts: Yeah.
631 00:59:12.300 ⇒ 00:59:15.700 Uttam Kumaran: Like, this… this helps you achieve…
632 00:59:16.400 ⇒ 00:59:19.140 Uttam Kumaran: This, because you can build stuff that people need.
633 00:59:19.280 ⇒ 00:59:21.229 Uttam Kumaran: Or, like, this, for example.
634 00:59:27.240 ⇒ 00:59:31.460 Uttam Kumaran: But yeah, for example, once you have this.
635 00:59:31.850 ⇒ 00:59:34.519 Uttam Kumaran: I… my next… the next KR will be…
636 00:59:34.900 ⇒ 00:59:38.280 Uttam Kumaran: augment 50% of all PM workflows.
637 00:59:38.600 ⇒ 00:59:39.230 Samuel Roberts: Yeah, exactly.
638 00:59:39.230 ⇒ 00:59:40.320 Uttam Kumaran: AI, right.
639 00:59:44.120 ⇒ 00:59:49.440 Uttam Kumaran: Or we pick a specific workflow, and we say, cut the time it takes to do that in half.
640 00:59:50.780 ⇒ 00:59:51.590 Samuel Roberts: Yeah.
641 00:59:52.340 ⇒ 01:00:02.109 Samuel Roberts: Yeah, I think as we document, we’ll see what are the, like, big sinks and where things could be improved, so we’ll have a pretty good sense of, like, what a good KPI could be.
642 01:00:04.020 ⇒ 01:00:04.680 Uttam Kumaran: Okay.
643 01:00:07.510 ⇒ 01:00:14.240 Uttam Kumaran: Okay, so I think I… I’m gonna just put a… I’m gonna put a brief reminder on my calendar just to…
644 01:00:14.880 ⇒ 01:00:16.890 Uttam Kumaran: Check in on this on Friday.
645 01:00:19.160 ⇒ 01:00:21.099 Uttam Kumaran: But let’s lock it in this week.
646 01:00:22.390 ⇒ 01:00:25.089 Uttam Kumaran: That way I can confirm it and send it out to everybody.
647 01:00:27.860 ⇒ 01:00:28.450 Samuel Roberts: Okay.
648 01:00:30.420 ⇒ 01:00:31.080 Uttam Kumaran: Okay.
649 01:00:31.260 ⇒ 01:00:41.060 Uttam Kumaran: Great, guys. Yeah, and then, as we start to get Omni and everything loaded, you can poke around at all the data, hopefully, and it should be pretty easy to review. Ideally, what we’ll do is
650 01:00:41.390 ⇒ 01:00:45.120 Uttam Kumaran: Ideally, each of these can link to, like, something where it’s measurable, and then…
651 01:00:45.240 ⇒ 01:00:50.910 Uttam Kumaran: Amber’s gonna be in charge of, like, getting a lot of it into one dashboard where we can look at it, basically.
652 01:00:51.770 ⇒ 01:00:52.310 Samuel Roberts: Okay.
653 01:00:52.700 ⇒ 01:00:56.059 Uttam Kumaran: So, because we want to start to look at how these are all trending.
654 01:00:56.880 ⇒ 01:01:00.190 Uttam Kumaran: And make sure they’re all, you know, pretty measurable, so…
655 01:01:02.640 ⇒ 01:01:03.420 Awaish Kumar: Okay.
656 01:01:04.850 ⇒ 01:01:05.590 Uttam Kumaran: Cool.
657 01:01:05.870 ⇒ 01:01:07.150 Uttam Kumaran: Okay, awesome.
658 01:01:07.780 ⇒ 01:01:11.360 Uttam Kumaran: Well, thank you guys, appreciate it. Yeah, suck and slack.
659 01:01:12.920 ⇒ 01:01:13.330 Awaish Kumar: Right.
660 01:01:14.250 ⇒ 01:01:15.200 Uttam Kumaran: Okay, bye.