Meeting Title: Team Book Club Discussion Date: 2025-08-29 Meeting participants: Awaish Kumar, Mustafa Raja, Rico Rejoso, Casie Aviles, Uttam Kumaran, Hannah Wang, Amber Lin
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1 00:05:01.290 ⇒ 00:05:03.330 Awaish Kumar: Hello, everyone.
2 00:05:04.180 ⇒ 00:05:05.519 Mustafa Raja: Hey, how are you?
3 00:05:06.150 ⇒ 00:05:07.689 Awaish Kumar: I’m good, how about you?
4 00:05:07.690 ⇒ 00:05:08.920 Mustafa Raja: Yeah, doing good.
5 00:05:11.160 ⇒ 00:05:13.860 Awaish Kumar: Which area do you live in? Lahore?
6 00:05:14.950 ⇒ 00:05:18.180 Mustafa Raja: I, I live, near Lake City.
7 00:05:21.480 ⇒ 00:05:23.330 Awaish Kumar: Okay, I’m like….
8 00:05:23.330 ⇒ 00:05:26.509 Mustafa Raja: Yeah, it’s, … I haven’t heard of it.
9 00:05:26.710 ⇒ 00:05:27.570 Awaish Kumar: Thank you, ….
10 00:05:27.570 ⇒ 00:05:32.969 Mustafa Raja: Yeah, it’s on, it’s on, it’s near Barrier Town, or DHA.
11 00:05:32.970 ⇒ 00:05:35.079 Awaish Kumar: Oh, yeah, media analysis.
12 00:05:35.370 ⇒ 00:05:37.289 Awaish Kumar: So it is, like, far from….
13 00:05:37.690 ⇒ 00:05:40.090 Mustafa Raja: Yeah, yeah, far from Ravi and all.
14 00:05:42.110 ⇒ 00:05:43.240 Mustafa Raja: So it’s pretty….
15 00:05:43.240 ⇒ 00:05:45.869 Awaish Kumar: No, I mean, it’s far from Lahore main city, right?
16 00:05:45.870 ⇒ 00:05:46.240 Mustafa Raja: Yay!
17 00:05:46.240 ⇒ 00:05:48.209 Awaish Kumar: It’s on the… this hurrytown Road.
18 00:05:48.560 ⇒ 00:05:49.750 Mustafa Raja: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
19 00:05:50.100 ⇒ 00:05:53.850 Mustafa Raja: It’s like… it’s like a 15-minute drive from Ali Town.
20 00:05:54.440 ⇒ 00:05:55.210 Awaish Kumar: apps.
21 00:05:56.470 ⇒ 00:05:58.419 Awaish Kumar: My former colleagues live there.
22 00:05:59.080 ⇒ 00:06:00.030 Mustafa Raja: Oh.
23 00:06:02.050 ⇒ 00:06:05.750 Awaish Kumar: Yeah, the flooding over here is really… Yeah. How’s that?
24 00:06:05.750 ⇒ 00:06:07.010 Mustafa Raja: bad, already bad.
25 00:06:07.010 ⇒ 00:06:07.800 Uttam Kumaran: holiday.
26 00:06:08.440 ⇒ 00:06:11.680 Awaish Kumar: I heard, like, Shadra was, like, drop.
27 00:06:12.000 ⇒ 00:06:14.779 Mustafa Raja: Yeah, the Parkview, ….
28 00:06:15.310 ⇒ 00:06:17.049 Awaish Kumar: He’s really damaged.
29 00:06:18.940 ⇒ 00:06:22.769 Mustafa Raja: The first floors are really submerged over here, so…
30 00:06:24.950 ⇒ 00:06:28.049 Mustafa Raja: But over here, where I live, it’s… it’s pretty good for now.
31 00:06:35.580 ⇒ 00:06:39.740 Awaish Kumar: We are expecting an… 70s.
32 00:06:40.060 ⇒ 00:06:42.959 Awaish Kumar: All the water is going to come through here.
33 00:06:43.490 ⇒ 00:06:44.889 Mustafa Raja: To send?
34 00:06:45.200 ⇒ 00:06:45.840 Awaish Kumar: Yeah.
35 00:06:46.210 ⇒ 00:06:46.685 Mustafa Raja: Oh….
36 00:06:48.040 ⇒ 00:06:49.880 Awaish Kumar: Hello. Hello, Tom.
37 00:06:51.550 ⇒ 00:06:52.430 Uttam Kumaran: Hey, guys.
38 00:06:53.170 ⇒ 00:06:53.800 Mustafa Raja: Hey.
39 00:06:55.450 ⇒ 00:07:04.079 Uttam Kumaran: So last time, Hannah… Hannah ran a great Figma FakeJam workshop, I don’t want to put that on her. I don’t know, Rico, do you wanna… are you gonna run it today? …
40 00:07:05.120 ⇒ 00:07:06.209 Uttam Kumaran: What do you think?
41 00:07:10.620 ⇒ 00:07:11.649 Uttam Kumaran: You’re on mute.
42 00:07:17.290 ⇒ 00:07:23.700 Hannah Wang: I made a fake jam, like, template for him, so it exists, but…
43 00:07:24.580 ⇒ 00:07:27.489 Hannah Wang: Let me try to find it, I forgot where it is.
44 00:07:36.780 ⇒ 00:07:38.270 Awaish Kumar: Is it kind of retro?
45 00:07:40.850 ⇒ 00:07:49.520 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, it’s kind of like, what we’re gonna do is basically just, like, spend a little bit of time, write down any ideas we had from the chapters, and then discuss.
46 00:08:02.300 ⇒ 00:08:12.290 Hannah Wang: I sent it in the… the chat, I think… … this should be right.
47 00:08:15.210 ⇒ 00:08:17.750 Hannah Wang: Understandable this year….
48 00:08:18.530 ⇒ 00:08:19.650 Uttam Kumaran: In my notes.
49 00:08:30.370 ⇒ 00:08:31.390 Amber Lin: Bye!
50 00:08:32.539 ⇒ 00:08:33.479 Uttam Kumaran: Hello?
51 00:08:34.120 ⇒ 00:08:36.489 Amber Lin: No, I was a little bit late, I got lost.
52 00:08:36.840 ⇒ 00:08:39.100 Amber Lin: In time. Have we started yet?
53 00:08:40.000 ⇒ 00:08:41.209 Uttam Kumaran: No, not yet.
54 00:08:41.590 ⇒ 00:08:42.299 Amber Lin: Okay.
55 00:08:48.480 ⇒ 00:08:50.180 Amber Lin: Do you want me to run this?
56 00:08:50.950 ⇒ 00:08:52.140 Uttam Kumaran: …
57 00:08:52.310 ⇒ 00:08:58.189 Uttam Kumaran: I don’t think… I don’t… I think Rico can probably run this. Like, we have this big… we have this Figma.
58 00:08:59.060 ⇒ 00:09:01.549 Uttam Kumaran: Basically, the goal was to, like…
59 00:09:03.250 ⇒ 00:09:07.609 Uttam Kumaran: I think we were just going to go through each of these, and everybody add
60 00:09:08.510 ⇒ 00:09:12.490 Uttam Kumaran: Like, notes they had on each of the chapters they read.
61 00:09:13.140 ⇒ 00:09:15.749 Uttam Kumaran: Does that seem like a good process for everybody?
62 00:09:17.900 ⇒ 00:09:23.209 Hannah Wang: Yeah, we can do it similar to the way we did the brand script meeting, ….
63 00:09:23.210 ⇒ 00:09:23.950 Uttam Kumaran: Okay.
64 00:09:24.150 ⇒ 00:09:24.800 Hannah Wang: Yeah.
65 00:09:25.170 ⇒ 00:09:27.199 Uttam Kumaran: And then we can put, like, takeaways…
66 00:09:27.740 ⇒ 00:09:30.090 Uttam Kumaran: I can… I can… I’m happy to…
67 00:09:30.480 ⇒ 00:09:35.640 Uttam Kumaran: I mean, I don’t know, I think… actually, Rico, like, maybe once everything puts in, you can sort of go through each.
68 00:09:35.880 ⇒ 00:09:38.579 Uttam Kumaran: And then see if we can get some consistent themes.
69 00:09:41.360 ⇒ 00:09:47.249 Hannah Wang: I think you can also use AI to some… make, like, group notes together, too.
70 00:09:47.720 ⇒ 00:09:48.800 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah. But…
71 00:09:55.000 ⇒ 00:10:01.019 Uttam Kumaran: Okay, cool, so do we want to take… Wanna take a sec?
72 00:10:01.140 ⇒ 00:10:03.280 Uttam Kumaran: To do that? 5 minutes.
73 00:10:04.940 ⇒ 00:10:05.600 Hannah Wang: Yep.
74 00:10:06.090 ⇒ 00:10:07.790 Uttam Kumaran: Okay, I’m gonna press play.
75 00:13:08.520 ⇒ 00:13:10.169 Uttam Kumaran: I’m gonna add some more times.
76 00:19:22.600 ⇒ 00:19:23.900 Uttam Kumaran: How do we feel?
77 00:19:28.880 ⇒ 00:19:34.190 Amber Lin: I… I was muted. I was… I’m at the last two. I need one more minute.
78 00:19:34.520 ⇒ 00:19:35.900 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, take time, take time.
79 00:19:36.590 ⇒ 00:19:37.090 Rico Rejoso: All done.
80 00:19:41.900 ⇒ 00:19:42.680 Amber Lin: interact.
81 00:20:44.110 ⇒ 00:20:45.689 Amber Lin: I’ll find 3030.
82 00:20:47.020 ⇒ 00:20:47.929 Amber Lin: You know what?
83 00:20:48.350 ⇒ 00:20:49.210 Amber Lin: Excellent.
84 00:20:54.590 ⇒ 00:20:58.760 Awaish Kumar: I have a question from Chapter 1, for you. Yeah.
85 00:20:59.270 ⇒ 00:21:02.810 Awaish Kumar: From your, like, like, you meet a lot of people.
86 00:21:03.040 ⇒ 00:21:11.590 Awaish Kumar: in your sales call from different companies. What do you think, like, what do you see? What do you think about us, like.
87 00:21:11.750 ⇒ 00:21:13.649 Uttam Kumaran: Do they think, like, the data….
88 00:21:13.650 ⇒ 00:21:17.529 Awaish Kumar: issues or data analytics is really the… Kind of slow.
89 00:21:17.790 ⇒ 00:21:20.130 Amber Lin: Kind of, like, something, ….
90 00:21:20.350 ⇒ 00:21:23.210 Awaish Kumar: Really important for the business, like, we are solving a
91 00:21:23.340 ⇒ 00:21:28.540 Awaish Kumar: Painkiller problem, or it’s just, like, we are adding value, nice to have.
92 00:21:28.540 ⇒ 00:21:38.050 Uttam Kumaran: No, it’s 100%… it’s 100% a painkiller. I don’t… we don’t actually… the clients that you’re not seeing are all the people that call me, and data is just, like…
93 00:21:38.400 ⇒ 00:21:39.730 Uttam Kumaran: I’m nice to have.
94 00:21:40.050 ⇒ 00:21:45.049 Uttam Kumaran: Every company we’re going into these days are places where they really, really need this.
95 00:21:45.500 ⇒ 00:21:48.000 Uttam Kumaran: Because without that, we can’t succeed.
96 00:21:48.370 ⇒ 00:21:52.920 Uttam Kumaran: We’re gonna have no interest from… from the clients, and so… …
97 00:21:53.750 ⇒ 00:21:57.310 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, so our stuff, and on the AI side.
98 00:21:57.490 ⇒ 00:22:01.950 Uttam Kumaran: It’s really, really things that people need. The problem is, I think.
99 00:22:05.100 ⇒ 00:22:16.630 Uttam Kumaran: we want to solve for outcomes, right? Data and AI are, like, kind of the tools that we use, but of course they want an outcome. And so I want us to continue to think about, like.
100 00:22:16.860 ⇒ 00:22:21.289 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, we got all these tickets done, we got these dashboards out, but is the client making money?
101 00:22:22.390 ⇒ 00:22:27.019 Uttam Kumaran: Like, that is a fundamental question. That doesn’t need to be every week we ask that, but…
102 00:22:27.290 ⇒ 00:22:34.379 Uttam Kumaran: Ultimately, we want to know, like, hey, the client paid us X amount, did they get… did they get an ROI on that, you know?
103 00:22:39.250 ⇒ 00:22:39.920 Awaish Kumar: No.
104 00:22:41.980 ⇒ 00:22:45.039 Awaish Kumar: There’s, like, kind of… we can have
105 00:22:45.820 ⇒ 00:22:50.110 Awaish Kumar: People do, like, two things. One, Mayor…
106 00:22:51.310 ⇒ 00:22:53.830 Awaish Kumar: The changes in, kind of, metrics?
107 00:22:54.800 ⇒ 00:22:59.480 Awaish Kumar: They… they value how, after our… And, and…
108 00:22:59.670 ⇒ 00:23:07.550 Awaish Kumar: Second thing is, like, the insights we are sharing with them, are they, like, actionable, or is there some, like, nice pattern finding?
109 00:23:08.330 ⇒ 00:23:09.070 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah.
110 00:23:21.040 ⇒ 00:23:22.860 Uttam Kumaran: Oh, Amber, are you ready?
111 00:23:27.940 ⇒ 00:23:34.159 Amber Lin: Oh, sorry, I was muted. I think we should spend, like, 2 minutes for everyone to read and then put…
112 00:23:34.530 ⇒ 00:23:36.930 Amber Lin: Thumbs ups on things you agree with.
113 00:23:37.870 ⇒ 00:23:42.099 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, just put thumb… you can use the sticker, the thumb sticker, just put down…
114 00:23:43.520 ⇒ 00:23:46.190 Uttam Kumaran: Put that down wherever you agree with.
115 00:23:46.540 ⇒ 00:23:48.210 Amber Lin: I think no one just likes it.
116 00:23:48.210 ⇒ 00:23:51.709 Uttam Kumaran: Or you can put your little, like, your little icon, too, like that.
117 00:23:52.120 ⇒ 00:23:52.859 Uttam Kumaran: You want.
118 00:23:55.330 ⇒ 00:23:56.610 Amber Lin: Yeah, I’ll start.
119 00:23:57.460 ⇒ 00:23:58.870 Amber Lin: Start the timer.
120 00:24:02.460 ⇒ 00:24:03.669 Amber Lin: Oh yeah, send me home.
121 00:24:04.450 ⇒ 00:24:05.160 Amber Lin: Whoops.
122 00:24:09.760 ⇒ 00:24:11.319 Amber Lin: Where does Sid Zito?
123 00:24:13.100 ⇒ 00:24:14.770 Amber Lin: Do you want to just sit Cito?
124 00:24:18.960 ⇒ 00:24:25.939 Amber Lin: like… I… I just don’t know where else people are gonna be, and people will eventually be here.
125 00:24:26.200 ⇒ 00:24:27.050 Amber Lin: Perfectly.
126 00:24:32.010 ⇒ 00:24:33.880 Amber Lin: Oh, oh, just got Singer Bolted.
127 00:24:36.270 ⇒ 00:24:38.220 Amber Lin: We just got single from a different team, Quinn?
128 00:24:49.180 ⇒ 00:24:51.609 Amber Lin: But yeah, we’re… I think we’re fighting two different teams.
129 00:24:56.160 ⇒ 00:24:57.100 Amber Lin: Right there.
130 00:25:00.730 ⇒ 00:25:06.030 Amber Lin: One is literally one… Right there. Betterly one.
131 00:25:06.350 ⇒ 00:25:07.259 Amber Lin: I’m telling him.
132 00:25:26.590 ⇒ 00:25:27.450 Amber Lin: Any thoughts?
133 00:25:33.300 ⇒ 00:25:34.470 Amber Lin: The old writer.
134 00:25:37.170 ⇒ 00:25:38.390 Amber Lin: I’m gonna drop on our head.
135 00:25:55.030 ⇒ 00:25:55.830 Amber Lin: Perfect.
136 00:26:00.620 ⇒ 00:26:01.720 Amber Lin: Manage it far.
137 00:26:06.420 ⇒ 00:26:08.639 Amber Lin: Yeah. Josh, start talking about?
138 00:26:13.150 ⇒ 00:26:13.969 Amber Lin: I agree.
139 00:26:16.350 ⇒ 00:26:17.840 Amber Lin: I got it.
140 00:26:30.350 ⇒ 00:26:31.670 Amber Lin: Every month?
141 00:26:33.730 ⇒ 00:26:38.630 Amber Lin: I can’t… Can I count out.
142 00:26:39.760 ⇒ 00:26:40.510 Amber Lin: Yes.
143 00:26:40.820 ⇒ 00:26:42.220 Amber Lin: Brother Hyde.
144 00:26:43.810 ⇒ 00:26:44.560 Amber Lin: Yep.
145 00:26:54.390 ⇒ 00:26:57.260 Amber Lin: Yeah. No, no, I agree. I like this fight.
146 00:26:58.070 ⇒ 00:26:58.800 Amber Lin: Yep.
147 00:27:00.140 ⇒ 00:27:01.310 Amber Lin: Oh, nice.
148 00:27:05.340 ⇒ 00:27:06.160 Amber Lin: Nope.
149 00:27:09.090 ⇒ 00:27:09.770 Amber Lin: Right.
150 00:27:09.890 ⇒ 00:27:11.620 Amber Lin: Yeah. Another one right here.
151 00:27:13.450 ⇒ 00:27:14.140 Amber Lin: stop.
152 00:27:19.930 ⇒ 00:27:20.660 Amber Lin: Fair?
153 00:27:21.120 ⇒ 00:27:22.679 Amber Lin: Ben just jumped on me, too.
154 00:27:25.670 ⇒ 00:27:26.390 Amber Lin: Yep.
155 00:27:30.010 ⇒ 00:27:31.010 Amber Lin: Another smart.
156 00:27:41.650 ⇒ 00:27:43.879 Amber Lin: It’s a vegetarian, right?
157 00:28:02.360 ⇒ 00:28:03.599 Uttam Kumaran: How do we feel?
158 00:28:04.570 ⇒ 00:28:08.950 Amber Lin: Hi, I’m all still at the last two, but we can start.
159 00:28:12.470 ⇒ 00:28:14.330 Amber Lin: Hmm… Yeah.
160 00:28:14.660 ⇒ 00:28:17.649 Amber Lin: Could be an easy girl.
161 00:28:32.680 ⇒ 00:28:33.730 Amber Lin: Okay.
162 00:28:34.520 ⇒ 00:28:37.970 Amber Lin: … Well…
163 00:28:38.370 ⇒ 00:28:51.679 Amber Lin: we can document some points of discussions and document some action items, because I think we all… I think I see that most of us agree on a lot of stuff here.
164 00:28:52.870 ⇒ 00:28:58.150 Amber Lin: I’m gonna scoot to the bottom section for some action items.
165 00:29:01.900 ⇒ 00:29:05.800 Amber Lin: Okay, let’s go. I’m ready.
166 00:29:07.030 ⇒ 00:29:11.590 Uttam Kumaran: Rico, do you want to kind of talk through, like, some of the common themes, maybe?
167 00:29:11.780 ⇒ 00:29:13.589 Amber Lin: All right. Any rest?
168 00:29:14.960 ⇒ 00:29:15.880 Rico Rejoso: Oh, yeah.
169 00:29:17.190 ⇒ 00:29:19.950 Rico Rejoso: Shitty, also, like, wanted to…
170 00:29:20.500 ⇒ 00:29:23.149 Rico Rejoso: You know, go through some of the…
171 00:29:24.120 ⇒ 00:29:26.750 Rico Rejoso: Notes that we have here, if possible.
172 00:29:27.000 ⇒ 00:29:30.620 Rico Rejoso: just, like… One note per chapter. Sure.
173 00:29:31.100 ⇒ 00:29:31.549 Amber Lin: Yes, sir.
174 00:29:31.730 ⇒ 00:29:34.059 Rico Rejoso: I think the one that has the most stamped.
175 00:29:34.330 ⇒ 00:29:39.650 Rico Rejoso: On it, so, like, a brief discussion, so we can, like, relate and share some stuff about it as well.
176 00:29:43.780 ⇒ 00:29:47.160 Rico Rejoso: Like, for… let’s start with getting things done.
177 00:29:49.980 ⇒ 00:29:51.980 Amber Lin: Wait, there’s another one?
178 00:29:51.980 ⇒ 00:29:55.510 Rico Rejoso: Before we come up with the action items, or….
179 00:29:56.040 ⇒ 00:29:56.960 Amber Lin: One sec.
180 00:29:57.600 ⇒ 00:29:58.000 Rico Rejoso: I just….
181 00:29:58.000 ⇒ 00:30:01.580 Uttam Kumaran: Amber, your, Amber, your audio’s leaking in.
182 00:30:01.890 ⇒ 00:30:03.260 Amber Lin: Oh, I see.
183 00:30:06.220 ⇒ 00:30:07.999 Uttam Kumaran: Okay, go ahead. Go ahead, Rico.
184 00:30:08.210 ⇒ 00:30:13.859 Rico Rejoso: Yes, like, for the Getting Things Done, or Chapter 3, we have two notes, we gather two stamps.
185 00:30:14.020 ⇒ 00:30:22.179 Rico Rejoso: One is from Amber, says, must add agendas, or should have goals, and OKR in daily planning, and weekly.
186 00:30:22.300 ⇒ 00:30:23.940 Rico Rejoso: and plus…
187 00:30:24.100 ⇒ 00:30:29.599 Rico Rejoso: I think this was from Utam, where we are doing better with agendas overall, but I want to see other families set out.
188 00:30:29.810 ⇒ 00:30:33.380 Rico Rejoso: … On a perspective, like.
189 00:30:34.400 ⇒ 00:30:39.690 Rico Rejoso: professionally in person, I think this is a good note as well, since, like.
190 00:30:39.850 ⇒ 00:30:44.149 Rico Rejoso: We know things get busy, and…
191 00:30:45.320 ⇒ 00:30:54.269 Rico Rejoso: Want to make sure that everything or, all tasks on a daily basis, personally, or work-related, must be done, almost to be done, and…
192 00:30:54.690 ⇒ 00:30:57.060 Rico Rejoso: You know, for completion, and at the same time.
193 00:30:57.640 ⇒ 00:30:59.779 Rico Rejoso: To make sure we don’t miss things out.
194 00:31:01.070 ⇒ 00:31:12.689 Rico Rejoso: So, yeah, for me, setting up agendas beforehand, or making sure that you have, like, a checklist to go through with, to get things, or get everything, get everything done.
195 00:31:12.860 ⇒ 00:31:14.890 Rico Rejoso: On your point, like, for everyone.
196 00:31:15.520 ⇒ 00:31:17.409 Rico Rejoso: How do you think, like, you know.
197 00:31:17.820 ⇒ 00:31:22.809 Rico Rejoso: Having such could help you in your daily tasks, or getting everything done.
198 00:31:25.830 ⇒ 00:31:27.519 Amber Lin: I guess…
199 00:31:27.900 ⇒ 00:31:43.070 Amber Lin: Sorry, I hear a few points, and I guess first on the agenda is how do we make sure that we put agendas? Because it’s… I think that’s something we’ve been trying, we’ve been getting better at, but sometimes it’s who is owning the agendas, and then how do we…
200 00:31:43.340 ⇒ 00:31:47.190 Amber Lin: Have checks in place to make sure that it actually gets done.
201 00:31:52.000 ⇒ 00:32:04.659 Rico Rejoso: Yeah, I think that’s also… that’s where accountability comes into place as well, who take responsibility of tasks… of those tasks and getting… and making sure that those agendas are set beforehand or before any meetings, although we don’t…
202 00:32:04.960 ⇒ 00:32:16.830 Rico Rejoso: miss the thing… thing that comes into… I think that’s one thing I’m also working, you know, to improve it, making sure that, you know, all meetings set, like, have, like, a set of agendas.
203 00:32:17.320 ⇒ 00:32:20.539 Rico Rejoso: That, we don’t miss out anything at all.
204 00:32:23.860 ⇒ 00:32:25.879 Rico Rejoso: About, like, takeaways from the others?
205 00:32:26.710 ⇒ 00:32:31.209 Awaish Kumar: Yeah, from this chapter, what I would… I understood was, like, mostly it’s
206 00:32:31.330 ⇒ 00:32:34.170 Awaish Kumar: Kind of making a plan for yourself.
207 00:32:34.870 ⇒ 00:32:39.650 Awaish Kumar: So we have a… Clear list of action items that you want to do in the
208 00:32:40.160 ⇒ 00:32:43.520 Awaish Kumar: And during the day, so, like.
209 00:32:43.650 ⇒ 00:32:46.799 Awaish Kumar: When I spent 2 hours on the computer working on Eden.
210 00:32:47.090 ⇒ 00:32:52.319 Awaish Kumar: tickets, and then one hour on this, and, like, things like that. So you, you know, like.
211 00:32:52.720 ⇒ 00:32:55.690 Awaish Kumar: Sequentially, what we are gonna do today.
212 00:32:55.900 ⇒ 00:32:58.629 Awaish Kumar: And, like, maybe get it done at the end of the day.
213 00:32:59.280 ⇒ 00:33:00.050 Rico Rejoso: Yes.
214 00:33:00.240 ⇒ 00:33:12.370 Rico Rejoso: So, like, specifically, there’s… I mean, there’s, like, a process given, like, setting agendas, checklists, but it all goes down to how you will set it up yourself, you know, creating an organized structure that
215 00:33:12.610 ⇒ 00:33:19.200 Rico Rejoso: Allows you to get everything done, and it depends on how you prefer it to be done, like…
216 00:33:19.790 ⇒ 00:33:22.700 Rico Rejoso: Yeah, what dimensions are agendas and checklists.
217 00:33:24.000 ⇒ 00:33:27.749 Rico Rejoso: About for the others, any insights or takeaways from these chapters?
218 00:33:32.920 ⇒ 00:33:33.730 Rico Rejoso: Okay.
219 00:33:35.240 ⇒ 00:33:43.349 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, I think the agendas are great. I mean, I think, ideally, at minimum, we should review last week’s decisions in the next week meeting.
220 00:33:43.510 ⇒ 00:33:46.320 Uttam Kumaran: That’s an easy way, Amber, to kind of, like, do that.
221 00:33:47.960 ⇒ 00:33:53.020 Uttam Kumaran: Additionally, though, I look… I look back at the meetings during the week, like.
222 00:33:53.230 ⇒ 00:33:57.050 Uttam Kumaran: I mean, I’m in, I’m in, I’m in all of them, so sometimes it’s more, I’m like.
223 00:33:57.190 ⇒ 00:34:01.619 Uttam Kumaran: If I remember something is important to do, I go back and look at what our decision is.
224 00:34:01.940 ⇒ 00:34:02.750 Uttam Kumaran: …
225 00:34:03.330 ⇒ 00:34:08.799 Uttam Kumaran: But ideally, for most folks in the company, you should only be in, like, one or two of those, and ideally, yeah, you should be on the hook.
226 00:34:09.159 ⇒ 00:34:11.529 Uttam Kumaran: you should know that, hey, Monday’s coming.
227 00:34:11.719 ⇒ 00:34:16.019 Uttam Kumaran: what did I agree on again on Monday, last Monday, and like, what can we get done, you know?
228 00:34:20.730 ⇒ 00:34:24.280 Amber Lin: So… Friday.
229 00:34:24.840 ⇒ 00:34:25.719 Amber Lin: Check.
230 00:34:25.960 ⇒ 00:34:29.080 Amber Lin: So, like, prior day checkpoints for…
231 00:34:29.550 ⇒ 00:34:34.020 Amber Lin: the meeting, so if it’s on Monday, we’ll check the date on Friday.
232 00:34:34.860 ⇒ 00:34:41.540 Amber Lin: Frame… points on…
233 00:34:44.889 ⇒ 00:34:45.739 Amber Lin: Yeah.
234 00:34:46.230 ⇒ 00:34:52.439 Amber Lin: The first part means we need to have a running notes document for each meeting.
235 00:34:53.620 ⇒ 00:34:54.670 Amber Lin: …
236 00:34:56.639 ⇒ 00:35:04.279 Amber Lin: I think that’s also easier to maintain, instead of adding agendas, to have a running Notion doc for each of the recurring meeting links.
237 00:35:04.870 ⇒ 00:35:06.669 Amber Lin: Which I think most of them have.
238 00:35:06.930 ⇒ 00:35:08.150 Amber Lin: Or half of them.
239 00:35:08.620 ⇒ 00:35:13.829 Amber Lin: Question on the getting started. I know we talked about…
240 00:35:14.130 ⇒ 00:35:26.000 Amber Lin: that we want to make sure the clients are also earning money. Is there a meeting, or ritual, or review, or pra- exercise that we want to do on a certain cadence?
241 00:35:30.260 ⇒ 00:35:39.980 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, I mean, I think it’s… it’s actually… probably would be helpful. There’s… I had… I had two good meetings, and, you know, honestly, I think, Amber, it’d be good to talk to Joey.
242 00:35:40.340 ⇒ 00:35:44.659 Uttam Kumaran: About this on the delivery side, which is, like, doing a project audit.
243 00:35:45.020 ⇒ 00:35:50.020 Amber Lin: Something that most clients do on a quor… most consultants do on a quarterly basis.
244 00:35:50.020 ⇒ 00:35:58.680 Uttam Kumaran: For us, it may have to be more frequent, but basically, there’s kind of, like, an external review board that takes a look at the project, audits.
245 00:35:58.880 ⇒ 00:36:03.319 Uttam Kumaran: And so, that’s something that is pretty common that other folks do.
246 00:36:07.370 ⇒ 00:36:10.590 Amber Lin: What are the core things addressed there? It’s just… is it…
247 00:36:11.610 ⇒ 00:36:15.310 Amber Lin: Like, the estimated impact on the client?
248 00:36:15.450 ⇒ 00:36:20.059 Amber Lin: Like, we’d need to prepare that type of stuff for, the review meeting?
249 00:36:24.960 ⇒ 00:36:37.200 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, I mean, it’s sort of like… but it’s also, like, we… in those meetings, they typically look at all the hours, they look at all the metrics associated with the client.
250 00:36:37.530 ⇒ 00:36:40.660 Uttam Kumaran: But a lot of big consultancies are doing meetings that
251 00:36:40.810 ⇒ 00:36:43.500 Uttam Kumaran: Bines that are, like, a year or two years long, so….
252 00:36:46.200 ⇒ 00:36:47.040 Amber Lin: Okay.
253 00:36:49.420 ⇒ 00:36:51.069 Amber Lin: Yeah, that was my question.
254 00:36:58.420 ⇒ 00:36:58.980 Rico Rejoso: Okay?
255 00:36:59.640 ⇒ 00:37:00.980 Rico Rejoso: Thank you for that.
256 00:37:02.310 ⇒ 00:37:06.800 Rico Rejoso: So, to move forward to, the next chapter, which is inbox zero.
257 00:37:07.040 ⇒ 00:37:15.529 Rico Rejoso: And I think much of us, or most of us, can, like, relate to this stuff, to the lesson, or we can pick up.
258 00:37:15.790 ⇒ 00:37:18.090 Rico Rejoso: From this chapter. Well…
259 00:37:18.820 ⇒ 00:37:24.180 Rico Rejoso: For me, it’s just that it’s, just that make sure that, you know,
260 00:37:24.320 ⇒ 00:37:41.649 Rico Rejoso: if it takes less than, like, I mean, not much of your time, have it done, and if not, have a structure on how you can get that, get those done and reply to it. We all get, like, a lot or tons of emails, especially on the management side.
261 00:37:41.700 ⇒ 00:37:47.370 Rico Rejoso: So, getting… making sure that nothing is missed, and, responding to it.
262 00:37:47.670 ⇒ 00:37:59.230 Rico Rejoso: It’s a pretty big task. Simple, but pretty big task for most of us. So, on how we get these things done, making sure that we, you know, manage our time accordingly to it.
263 00:37:59.610 ⇒ 00:38:06.029 Rico Rejoso: like, what Utah mentioned, some of the emails are also, like, timely, so it’s hard, maybe, like.
264 00:38:06.360 ⇒ 00:38:11.029 Rico Rejoso: have AI, well, triage, those emails.
265 00:38:11.630 ⇒ 00:38:14.439 Rico Rejoso: Which I think is a pretty good move as well, but…
266 00:38:14.840 ⇒ 00:38:19.320 Rico Rejoso: We haven’t come up with that one yet. So anyone, like, you know, can relate?
267 00:38:19.510 ⇒ 00:38:23.599 Rico Rejoso: Or, like, share their insights on how to get to inbox zero.
268 00:38:36.310 ⇒ 00:38:37.290 Amber Lin: …
269 00:38:37.640 ⇒ 00:38:53.379 Amber Lin: I can share how I do it on my projects, mostly because my meetings are in the mornings, I have to check them before my meeting, and I usually note down the ad hoc tasks in the triage tab.
270 00:38:54.050 ⇒ 00:38:56.050 Amber Lin: in the…
271 00:38:56.450 ⇒ 00:39:12.639 Amber Lin: In linear. Is there, like, I think in Slack, you can bookmark it, and as long as you clean your bookmarks on a regular cadence, you can use that as your triage inbox.
272 00:39:13.460 ⇒ 00:39:16.970 Amber Lin: … What do you guys think?
273 00:39:18.800 ⇒ 00:39:22.440 Hannah Wang: Yeah, I couldn’t… I don’t… I have the same question as…
274 00:39:22.550 ⇒ 00:39:26.279 Hannah Wang: a wish about Inbox Zero for Slack, but…
275 00:39:26.620 ⇒ 00:39:33.340 Hannah Wang: I mean, what I do currently is use the inbox. I just kind of bookmark everything that takes more than 2 minutes.
276 00:39:33.550 ⇒ 00:39:41.659 Hannah Wang: save it there, and then I make sure to go comb through it, like, maybe twice.
277 00:39:42.360 ⇒ 00:39:58.190 Hannah Wang: In a day, just to make sure I don’t miss stuff, but that’s been helpful for me, so that I don’t have to, like, keep track of everything in my brain, or write it down, because writing it down takes time, and then making linear tickets also makes time, so I just kind of click the little bookmark thing.
278 00:39:58.270 ⇒ 00:40:04.049 Hannah Wang: And I save it for later, and then I try to, like, inbox zero my Slack in the morning, and then
279 00:40:04.170 ⇒ 00:40:05.100 Hannah Wang: once.
280 00:40:05.930 ⇒ 00:40:14.710 Hannah Wang: In the middle of the day, and then once before signing off. So that’s kind of what I do, but I don’t… I don’t really know what other people do.
281 00:40:15.940 ⇒ 00:40:21.340 Awaish Kumar: Yeah, like, for that, I requested a feature from in the AI team.
282 00:40:22.520 ⇒ 00:40:24.899 Awaish Kumar: If it is possible to maybe…
283 00:40:25.760 ⇒ 00:40:29.810 Awaish Kumar: like, like, we already have Slack Message in our database, so…
284 00:40:30.150 ⇒ 00:40:35.300 Awaish Kumar: Given the channel and the start and end date, Can you generate some…
285 00:40:35.600 ⇒ 00:40:39.460 Awaish Kumar: Action items are, like, summary of… detailed summary of…
286 00:40:39.590 ⇒ 00:40:42.400 Awaish Kumar: Check my messages, which would say, like, maybe
287 00:40:42.640 ⇒ 00:40:45.099 Awaish Kumar: Two rules or action items, kind of thing.
288 00:40:45.540 ⇒ 00:40:47.820 Awaish Kumar: For… for this person?
289 00:40:47.970 ⇒ 00:40:51.839 Awaish Kumar: And, yeah, that can be… can be helpful, like.
290 00:40:54.570 ⇒ 00:40:57.430 Awaish Kumar: To get the overview of the Slack mass between two.
291 00:41:00.310 ⇒ 00:41:06.610 Amber Lin: Also, I want to ask about email. I do it on Slap pretty well, and my email’s not very good.
292 00:41:06.810 ⇒ 00:41:10.310 Amber Lin: Utam, do you have insights as you get more emails than me?
293 00:41:11.720 ⇒ 00:41:17.529 Uttam Kumaran: … No, like, I have tried everything. This is the hardest.
294 00:41:18.150 ⇒ 00:41:21.240 Uttam Kumaran: Like, this job is the most amount of…
295 00:41:21.340 ⇒ 00:41:24.709 Uttam Kumaran: context that I’ve ever had to process, like.
296 00:41:25.350 ⇒ 00:41:29.169 Uttam Kumaran: at any moment. Like, I don’t really know whether any of these
297 00:41:29.760 ⇒ 00:41:37.119 Uttam Kumaran: Like, I don’t think I’m the best guinea pig, because… I get, like, probably 40 emails a day.
298 00:41:38.480 ⇒ 00:41:40.010 Uttam Kumaran: Half of which are important.
299 00:41:40.740 ⇒ 00:41:45.960 Uttam Kumaran: … And they all come in, like, various times, so it’s extremely hard.
300 00:41:46.380 ⇒ 00:41:55.290 Uttam Kumaran: Probably my only feedback, like, thinking about when I was just working on a few projects, is one, I would try to mute channels.
301 00:41:55.470 ⇒ 00:41:58.719 Uttam Kumaran: Like, and leave channels that you’re not getting value from.
302 00:41:59.310 ⇒ 00:42:07.059 Uttam Kumaran: That is, like, a really, really easy way, especially if you are constantly getting pinged in a channel and you’re never really, like.
303 00:42:07.340 ⇒ 00:42:09.230 Uttam Kumaran: doing anything there, I would leave.
304 00:42:09.760 ⇒ 00:42:13.909 Uttam Kumaran: Second thing is I would consider if you do have the ability to…
305 00:42:14.160 ⇒ 00:42:18.450 Uttam Kumaran: block off your time is to turn Slack off.
306 00:42:18.710 ⇒ 00:42:27.730 Uttam Kumaran: like, to block off 2 hours of downtime. I mean, for Amber, and for me, and for some folks, it’s not gonna be possible, but that would be my next suggestion, is
307 00:42:27.910 ⇒ 00:42:32.170 Uttam Kumaran: Try to make sure that Slack isn’t getting in the way of you getting your work done.
308 00:42:32.360 ⇒ 00:42:36.699 Uttam Kumaran: Whether that’s 2 hours of deep work a day, but that’s what I would…
309 00:42:37.020 ⇒ 00:42:42.380 Uttam Kumaran: definitely share is to try to block off that time. …
310 00:42:42.970 ⇒ 00:42:52.459 Uttam Kumaran: Otherwise, yeah, I think we, you know, we wanted to work on several things on the AI side, in addition, which is, like, summaries of channels every day.
311 00:42:52.640 ⇒ 00:42:57.180 Uttam Kumaran: reminders for things that haven’t been messaged. I think it’s on our backlog, but…
312 00:42:57.320 ⇒ 00:43:01.590 Uttam Kumaran: We just haven’t had time to do it, so maybe something we can talk about next week.
313 00:43:02.460 ⇒ 00:43:07.980 Uttam Kumaran: Slack is horrible, though. Like, if you’re in a lot of channels, like I am, you’re gonna get pinged.
314 00:43:08.360 ⇒ 00:43:17.200 Uttam Kumaran: Another thing that you can do is you can also right-click on a message and turn off replies, like, let’s say you got looped into something, your part is done, you can turn that off.
315 00:43:17.460 ⇒ 00:43:21.120 Uttam Kumaran: But probably my biggest recommendation …
316 00:43:21.250 ⇒ 00:43:26.829 Uttam Kumaran: is to block off time for deep work. Like, turn off all your notifications.
317 00:43:26.940 ⇒ 00:43:31.319 Uttam Kumaran: turn off Slack and, like, get at least an hour’s worth of work done.
318 00:43:31.700 ⇒ 00:43:34.990 Uttam Kumaran: Is… is usually, like, the cure for everything.
319 00:43:41.590 ⇒ 00:43:42.880 Rico Rejoso: Thank you for that.
320 00:43:45.650 ⇒ 00:43:48.949 Rico Rejoso: Yeah, … Moving forward, like.
321 00:43:50.270 ⇒ 00:43:57.399 Rico Rejoso: I think that’s, very helpful, coming from Odam. I mean, I monitor his email as well, like.
322 00:43:57.520 ⇒ 00:43:59.259 Rico Rejoso: Take a peek at it, and…
323 00:43:59.960 ⇒ 00:44:03.690 Rico Rejoso: It’s very swamped, to be honest. But yeah, …
324 00:44:05.510 ⇒ 00:44:10.800 Rico Rejoso: Thank you for the suggestion. Moving forward with the next chapter, Top Goal.
325 00:44:11.400 ⇒ 00:44:15.790 Rico Rejoso: So, I was, like, reading through some notes from other folks here as well.
326 00:44:16.080 ⇒ 00:44:23.809 Rico Rejoso: Like what Utah mentioned, time blocking, top goal in the morning, and, like, not being afraid to have,
327 00:44:24.550 ⇒ 00:44:30.359 Rico Rejoso: FOMO or fear of losing out with messages coming from Hannah. Yeah, like, this…
328 00:44:30.520 ⇒ 00:44:35.399 Rico Rejoso: But I think the first question was, like, does everyone have a top goal set?
329 00:44:35.790 ⇒ 00:44:50.959 Rico Rejoso: for each day, or before they even, you know, block their time and have a focus hour, of getting those goals done, or making sure that you get progress in working on those goals. There’s one note here that
330 00:44:51.140 ⇒ 00:44:54.539 Rico Rejoso: Was asking, does everyone have a top role they want to do?
331 00:44:55.750 ⇒ 00:45:03.600 Rico Rejoso: I think that’s first thing, is, like, identifying what that role is before you set up a time to block off, you know.
332 00:45:04.250 ⇒ 00:45:12.660 Rico Rejoso: because I think we have, like, a lot of things that we’re doing and focusing on, but the main thing is that, are we focusing on a goal, on each day?
333 00:45:13.200 ⇒ 00:45:18.930 Rico Rejoso: you know, I think a goal is something that will, like, fuel us to,
334 00:45:19.790 ⇒ 00:45:28.330 Rico Rejoso: do more each, every day, but not identifying it is like, you know, you’re just doing stuff out of the blue and just…
335 00:45:28.680 ⇒ 00:45:36.020 Rico Rejoso: have not… I mean, not having that in mind before you work things… before you work on things. So, like.
336 00:45:36.520 ⇒ 00:45:38.730 Rico Rejoso: Any feedback or insights on that one?
337 00:45:38.850 ⇒ 00:45:40.250 Rico Rejoso: Regarding top goal.
338 00:45:43.910 ⇒ 00:45:47.909 Amber Lin: Does everyone have a top goal?
339 00:45:48.090 ⇒ 00:45:52.490 Amber Lin: Here… Can you share if you’re… if you have a top goal?
340 00:45:52.950 ⇒ 00:45:53.620 Amber Lin: Yeah.
341 00:46:01.510 ⇒ 00:46:06.440 Casie Aviles: for… For daily, like… It’s not something I’ve formalized, but…
342 00:46:07.190 ⇒ 00:46:14.040 Casie Aviles: probably something I need to keep in mind with each day, but it’s just something that kind of, I’ve picked up.
343 00:46:14.300 ⇒ 00:46:16.490 Casie Aviles: Whenever I do work, …
344 00:46:17.200 ⇒ 00:46:24.140 Casie Aviles: Like, having a top goal in mind. So, especially, like, in terms of which tasks are… …
345 00:46:24.560 ⇒ 00:46:29.159 Casie Aviles: Under… under which priority, so if it’s, like, high priority stuff, then…
346 00:46:29.570 ⇒ 00:46:32.049 Casie Aviles: I tried to keep that as the top goal.
347 00:46:33.580 ⇒ 00:46:36.390 Casie Aviles: And yeah, definitely time blocking would really help.
348 00:46:36.860 ⇒ 00:46:46.790 Casie Aviles: something I should also start trying out, because, yeah, context switching also definitely… …
349 00:46:47.390 ⇒ 00:46:49.670 Casie Aviles: Kind of kills the productivity.
350 00:46:51.360 ⇒ 00:46:56.540 Casie Aviles: Yeah, maybe it’s also kind of related to the past chapters that
351 00:46:57.030 ⇒ 00:47:03.110 Casie Aviles: came before, but yeah, I think these are things that definitely would help me moving forward.
352 00:47:04.660 ⇒ 00:47:17.440 Amber Lin: Yeah, I think my top goal, that I scheduled for is to study for this project management exam, but I haven’t been doing that, so I have one, but I haven’t been…
353 00:47:17.600 ⇒ 00:47:32.440 Amber Lin: Using the hour schedule, because it’s so early in the day. Do you guys think top goal is referring to, like, the priority in your list of tasks for that day, or is that more of a higher level goal, such….
354 00:47:32.440 ⇒ 00:47:33.140 Uttam Kumaran: For me….
355 00:47:33.140 ⇒ 00:47:35.569 Amber Lin: Yeah. Priority as….
356 00:47:35.570 ⇒ 00:47:52.069 Uttam Kumaran: It’s more about, like, what is the one goal you have that day to accomplish? Like, if I can tell you… for me, it’s like, everything ladders to our OKRs. So, ultimately, what your top goal should have some way of impacting that. For me, it’s a lot more direct, because for me, the top goal is
357 00:47:52.250 ⇒ 00:47:56.150 Uttam Kumaran: Send an extra follow-up email for sales, like, do something on the sales side.
358 00:47:56.410 ⇒ 00:48:05.890 Uttam Kumaran: But for everybody, like, your top goal may be, hey, I’ve been… this ticket’s been blocked for 3 weeks, never had time, I’m just… this is my number one goal, is to get that done today.
359 00:48:06.120 ⇒ 00:48:12.290 Uttam Kumaran: or haven’t… we haven’t accomplished… so, I don’t know, I think it should ladder up to the OKR somewhat, but it’s gonna be different.
360 00:48:12.540 ⇒ 00:48:14.400 Uttam Kumaran: For… for every person.
361 00:48:16.220 ⇒ 00:48:16.980 Rico Rejoso: Agree.
362 00:48:27.090 ⇒ 00:48:29.479 Rico Rejoso: I mean, so for, like, the top goal.
363 00:48:30.480 ⇒ 00:48:38.929 Rico Rejoso: It’s like making sure that you have a set of priorities that you need to get done on a daily basis to make sure you set up a time, or block a time, to get those done.
364 00:48:41.410 ⇒ 00:48:45.220 Rico Rejoso: Okay, and next is on time and present.
365 00:48:45.370 ⇒ 00:48:52.419 Rico Rejoso: So, I think the note that got the most stamp is… the one coming from Awash.
366 00:48:52.750 ⇒ 00:48:57.919 Rico Rejoso: Where you try to be available in meeting early on, but still needs improvement and prep.
367 00:48:59.190 ⇒ 00:49:03.360 Rico Rejoso: Speaking of meeting and, attending meeting, …
368 00:49:03.780 ⇒ 00:49:11.380 Rico Rejoso: Like, we all know that punctuality and presence is important, especially on the management side, for most cases.
369 00:49:12.000 ⇒ 00:49:15.580 Rico Rejoso: But… How do we improve, like, you know.
370 00:49:15.920 ⇒ 00:49:21.839 Rico Rejoso: Feedback on, individually, how do you improve being on time and requested for those movements?
371 00:49:26.900 ⇒ 00:49:30.100 Awaish Kumar: I think for… For a lot of…
372 00:49:30.280 ⇒ 00:49:33.419 Awaish Kumar: Like, for some meetings, we are already doing this.
373 00:49:33.690 ⇒ 00:49:39.690 Awaish Kumar: Where we, like, Sit for, like, 5 to 10 minutes in the beginning to write down
374 00:49:40.130 ⇒ 00:49:42.889 Awaish Kumar: We’ll basically prepare for the meeting, and…
375 00:49:43.100 ⇒ 00:49:47.830 Awaish Kumar: Set the agenda for the meeting, and then… Dive into it, and, like…
376 00:49:48.460 ⇒ 00:49:51.880 Awaish Kumar: So that’s what… exactly what Book is suggesting as well.
377 00:49:56.330 ⇒ 00:49:58.040 Awaish Kumar: That does work.
378 00:50:01.540 ⇒ 00:50:02.300 Rico Rejoso: Okay.
379 00:50:02.600 ⇒ 00:50:04.130 Rico Rejoso: preparations.
380 00:50:04.280 ⇒ 00:50:06.919 Rico Rejoso: Having agendas or checklists.
381 00:50:07.420 ⇒ 00:50:08.350 Rico Rejoso: …
382 00:50:08.480 ⇒ 00:50:14.280 Rico Rejoso: that help us, you know, get prepared and make sure that we’re on time and pressed for the meeting. How about for the others?
383 00:50:17.930 ⇒ 00:50:23.110 Hannah Wang: Well, usually… well, I have my… calendar…
384 00:50:23.850 ⇒ 00:50:31.020 Hannah Wang: like, Google Calendar on my phone gives me a notification 10 minutes before the meeting starts, and then also
385 00:50:31.140 ⇒ 00:50:34.579 Hannah Wang: like, the Granola app, for some reason, also.
386 00:50:35.800 ⇒ 00:50:51.029 Hannah Wang: wait, actually, I don’t know if granola… but anyway, Google Calendar does, like, the 10-minute morning thing, so usually for me, like, that’s helpful, just to, like, get my head out of whatever I’m working on currently. If I’m, like, doing deep work, that notification kind of helps me, like.
387 00:50:51.440 ⇒ 00:50:55.030 Hannah Wang: Start mentally preparing for the meeting, and then…
388 00:50:55.780 ⇒ 00:51:02.469 Hannah Wang: Yeah, because if I’m doing deep work, like, I’m just gonna forget about the meetings, but I think having, like, that notification helped me.
389 00:51:02.600 ⇒ 00:51:04.839 Hannah Wang: Remember, and then…
390 00:51:05.520 ⇒ 00:51:12.170 Hannah Wang: I guess, mentally prep, and then also physically prep, like, use the restroom or something. …
391 00:51:13.080 ⇒ 00:51:18.310 Hannah Wang: Yeah, that’s what’s been helping me be on time, or try to be on time.
392 00:51:24.770 ⇒ 00:51:25.560 Rico Rejoso: Okay.
393 00:51:25.870 ⇒ 00:51:27.820 Rico Rejoso: Anyone? Anyone else?
394 00:51:35.960 ⇒ 00:51:41.920 Amber Lin: Oh, and 25- and 15-minute meetings. I think that’s a…
395 00:51:42.210 ⇒ 00:51:45.099 Amber Lin: Easier fix we can apply quickly.
396 00:51:48.180 ⇒ 00:51:51.060 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, that’s fine. Yeah, for me, I think, …
397 00:51:52.690 ⇒ 00:51:56.939 Uttam Kumaran: I mean, I… I just need to be in less meetings overall, and…
398 00:51:57.410 ⇒ 00:52:12.429 Uttam Kumaran: I feel like most of the meetings I’m in are actually very valuable, but for example now, like, now that Sam’s here, I’m no longer required on the AI platform meeting. Now that Ricoh’s here, marketing, you and Hannah kind of take over.
399 00:52:12.680 ⇒ 00:52:18.879 Uttam Kumaran: We do a lot of meetings on Monday, which I can sort of block my time for.
400 00:52:19.230 ⇒ 00:52:19.990 Uttam Kumaran: …
401 00:52:21.070 ⇒ 00:52:29.389 Uttam Kumaran: And… kind of, like, I… I think we want to basically utilize me at the… at, like, basically as, like, a…
402 00:52:29.850 ⇒ 00:52:38.619 Uttam Kumaran: as a Swiss Army knife, like, wherever the biggest problem is, is where I need to be, but if there’s no problem, like, there’s a hundred other problems I need to… I’m working on.
403 00:52:38.900 ⇒ 00:52:45.029 Uttam Kumaran: So, part of it is, like, I need to do… I need to be a little bit… I think if I was to really reflect.
404 00:52:45.240 ⇒ 00:52:47.670 Uttam Kumaran: I need to, …
405 00:52:48.750 ⇒ 00:53:06.150 Uttam Kumaran: just, like, get out of some meetings. I think the way I need to get confidence about that is that I’m really comfortable with, like, Amber, how you and Rico are doing on the delivery side, and how the engine leads are doing. If I feel confident, I feel really good, like, getting out of a lot of stuff.
406 00:53:06.450 ⇒ 00:53:13.790 Uttam Kumaran: But I think that confidence has slowly gone up and down, up and down. Not due to one person just, like.
407 00:53:14.120 ⇒ 00:53:20.980 Uttam Kumaran: I think we go two steps forward, one step back, two steps forward, one step back, but I’ve never been more confident than we are now.
408 00:53:21.250 ⇒ 00:53:23.499 Uttam Kumaran: And so I just think that…
409 00:53:24.200 ⇒ 00:53:29.910 Uttam Kumaran: the biggest thing that I can do is continue to just Really, really have confidence in…
410 00:53:30.180 ⇒ 00:53:33.800 Uttam Kumaran: Y’all and the team, and just start to get out of stuff.
411 00:53:34.180 ⇒ 00:53:40.060 Uttam Kumaran: You know… Because if you think about it, like, I only have…
412 00:53:40.710 ⇒ 00:53:45.690 Uttam Kumaran: you know, I probably have 8 to 9 hours of 30-minute slots per day.
413 00:53:46.290 ⇒ 00:53:49.499 Uttam Kumaran: That’s, again, given that I’m not doing any other work.
414 00:53:49.810 ⇒ 00:53:53.180 Uttam Kumaran: There’s already, like, if you look at my, …
415 00:53:54.120 ⇒ 00:53:58.789 Uttam Kumaran: like, if I show you guys in my… like, we can even go through my calendar for…
416 00:54:00.330 ⇒ 00:54:03.700 Uttam Kumaran: For this upcoming week, like…
417 00:54:04.450 ⇒ 00:54:09.930 Uttam Kumaran: So, you can see that, where am I gonna get work done, right? That’s the tough part.
418 00:54:11.670 ⇒ 00:54:25.100 Uttam Kumaran: And that’s where I’m like, okay, how can I batch? But I guess a good example, Amber, is, like, baby grooming is right in this block. So I’m like, what can we do about that, right? Either can I not go to that, which is an option.
419 00:54:25.220 ⇒ 00:54:34.549 Uttam Kumaran: Or can I… can we move it to, like, where it’s either up or out? That way, it gives me this time to just get work done in the middle here. Like, this week.
420 00:54:35.040 ⇒ 00:54:37.590 Uttam Kumaran: I had this time, like, slightly here.
421 00:54:37.890 ⇒ 00:54:39.980 Uttam Kumaran: Here… and here.
422 00:54:41.130 ⇒ 00:54:42.679 Uttam Kumaran: and I work, like, all this.
423 00:54:42.960 ⇒ 00:54:47.040 Uttam Kumaran: But, like, some of my weeks, I don’t have it, right?
424 00:54:47.320 ⇒ 00:54:51.540 Uttam Kumaran: Like, where am I gonna do… what am I gonna get done in, like, an hour and a half, you know?
425 00:54:52.740 ⇒ 00:54:58.030 Uttam Kumaran: So I think part of it is for me to just be a little bit more, … Like…
426 00:54:58.600 ⇒ 00:55:02.090 Uttam Kumaran: stern on, hey, I’m… I’m… this is not available.
427 00:55:02.740 ⇒ 00:55:06.419 Uttam Kumaran: Because someone… something event… something inevitably will take that time.
428 00:55:06.710 ⇒ 00:55:08.430 Uttam Kumaran: And that’s probably what I have to do.
429 00:55:10.070 ⇒ 00:55:13.050 Amber Lin: Yeah, and I think you can start blocking off
430 00:55:13.200 ⇒ 00:55:29.340 Amber Lin: 2 hours in the morning, two hours in the afternoon, and then we can work around that. Usually I schedule meetings because I don’t also… I also don’t know where to put them on my calendar, but if you have time blocked off, it makes it easier for me to…
431 00:55:29.410 ⇒ 00:55:33.849 Amber Lin: For me to work with, to find the times that works for you.
432 00:55:35.120 ⇒ 00:55:35.720 Uttam Kumaran: Okay.
433 00:55:36.030 ⇒ 00:55:36.780 Amber Lin: Yeah.
434 00:55:38.670 ⇒ 00:55:39.820 Amber Lin: ….
435 00:55:39.950 ⇒ 00:55:47.209 Hannah Wang: Yeah, I feel like… sorry, real quick, for Utom Calendar, if you don’t… you should set time blocks, because….
436 00:55:47.490 ⇒ 00:55:48.190 Uttam Kumaran: Okay.
437 00:55:48.190 ⇒ 00:55:55.780 Hannah Wang: People are gonna schedule meetings wherever they see it empty, but obviously you want to do work there, so you should just block it off, and then people won’t…
438 00:55:55.900 ⇒ 00:55:58.119 Hannah Wang: vote the meeting. ….
439 00:55:58.120 ⇒ 00:55:58.660 Uttam Kumaran: Yep.
440 00:55:58.930 ⇒ 00:56:00.650 Hannah Wang: So yeah, just block it off.
441 00:56:01.250 ⇒ 00:56:01.850 Uttam Kumaran: Okay.
442 00:56:05.010 ⇒ 00:56:05.770 Rico Rejoso: Agree.
443 00:56:07.360 ⇒ 00:56:11.550 Rico Rejoso: Yeah, … Let’s move forward.
444 00:56:13.560 ⇒ 00:56:18.579 Rico Rejoso: Next chapter title is, when you say it twice, write it down.
445 00:56:20.030 ⇒ 00:56:36.250 Rico Rejoso: So, you know, being in a room full of, smart people like you guys, y’all have, like, a lot of ideas coming in that we wanted to… that can help us improve the process and everything, but the problem, I think, is that not most of our… not all of us are, like, you know, jotting it down.
446 00:56:36.340 ⇒ 00:56:47.420 Rico Rejoso: And taking note of those, wonderful ideas, documenting it, and, you know, saving it for, like, a ladder process where we can take a look at it and have it done.
447 00:56:48.200 ⇒ 00:56:49.020 Rico Rejoso: So…
448 00:56:51.610 ⇒ 00:56:58.759 Rico Rejoso: There’s, like, one here, from Mutam, stating that maybe we should have, like, a new SOP or a new documents KPI.
449 00:56:58.940 ⇒ 00:57:03.460 Rico Rejoso: And I think on the other department as well, there’s like this, …
450 00:57:03.970 ⇒ 00:57:18.050 Rico Rejoso: idea bank, where they put, like, all their ideas and take a look at it, like, once or twice a week, to see if there’s, like, valuable ideas that they can turn into a process that can benefit the company.
451 00:57:18.280 ⇒ 00:57:26.219 Rico Rejoso: So I think that’s one thing as well. But on your own, personally, how do you, like, document those, those ideas?
452 00:57:31.430 ⇒ 00:57:32.330 Rico Rejoso: Anyone.
453 00:57:35.120 ⇒ 00:57:40.300 Casie Aviles: Personally, I do a bad job at documenting the stuff that I…
454 00:57:41.650 ⇒ 00:57:47.310 Casie Aviles: Like, I don’t feel like I’m making… I’m writing down as much documentation as I should be.
455 00:57:48.240 ⇒ 00:57:54.970 Casie Aviles: Mainly because, you know, sometimes I just want to keep the momentum of just working Stuff.
456 00:57:55.780 ⇒ 00:57:59.030 Casie Aviles: But yeah, that’s definitely something that needs…
457 00:57:59.330 ⇒ 00:58:01.460 Casie Aviles: That would be great to have, like, to keep…
458 00:58:02.100 ⇒ 00:58:07.140 Casie Aviles: When things need to be documented, so… That they don’t get lost.
459 00:58:08.300 ⇒ 00:58:10.279 Casie Aviles: Yeah, maybe something like…
460 00:58:10.530 ⇒ 00:58:16.739 Casie Aviles: Yeah, and maybe even AI can help, like, if, for example, I guess it might help me if
461 00:58:17.100 ⇒ 00:58:22.730 Casie Aviles: I could just speak into… an AI transcription, I guess, and…
462 00:58:23.110 ⇒ 00:58:25.510 Casie Aviles: At least just get my thoughts there.
463 00:58:27.210 ⇒ 00:58:33.799 Casie Aviles: And maybe, like, a prompt would help that would structure this as a doc… as an SOP or documentation, but…
464 00:58:34.160 ⇒ 00:58:36.639 Casie Aviles: Yeah, those are just some ideas I have, but…
465 00:58:36.950 ⇒ 00:58:39.710 Casie Aviles: Yeah, that’s for… for me, personally.
466 00:58:45.040 ⇒ 00:58:47.450 Hannah Wang: I mean, I like the idea of…
467 00:58:47.780 ⇒ 00:58:52.390 Hannah Wang: Documentation, obviously, but kind of similar to…
468 00:58:53.000 ⇒ 00:59:04.449 Hannah Wang: Amber’s comment about making sure that the documents are actually used, I kind of feel that. Like, I feel like we have a lot of documents in Notion, and a lot of SOPs already, but…
469 00:59:04.930 ⇒ 00:59:11.679 Hannah Wang: they’re not really being used. I feel like only the person who creates it kind of uses it.
470 00:59:12.310 ⇒ 00:59:18.280 Hannah Wang: And references it, but then it just kind of, like, gets lost, so… I don’t really know.
471 00:59:18.280 ⇒ 00:59:30.510 Uttam Kumaran: Also, my feedback… my feedback there is that, like, if you see someone doing something, you should send them the SOP for it. Like, that’s… I think I feel like I try to do that a lot, where I’m like, don’t we have this documented, or…
472 00:59:31.090 ⇒ 00:59:36.410 Uttam Kumaran: go check, look for the documentation. Like, if we don’t do… if we don’t, like, hold each other accountable.
473 00:59:36.660 ⇒ 00:59:53.929 Uttam Kumaran: it’s not gonna get adopted. So if you see someone doing something where you’re like, there is something written, then direct them to that, you know? I think that’s… or if you’re like, if you can’t find it, then spend a little, like, a couple minutes in Notion to clean things up, and then say, hey guys, it’s all here.
474 00:59:54.340 ⇒ 00:59:58.629 Uttam Kumaran: Because that way, that’s what we want to do. And then, yeah, we can set some metrics on…
475 00:59:58.740 ⇒ 01:00:06.460 Uttam Kumaran: new SOP creation and stuff like that, too, but I think a lot of this is gonna come from each of us sending it to each other, you know?
476 01:00:07.740 ⇒ 01:00:08.550 Hannah Wang: Yeah.
477 01:00:08.970 ⇒ 01:00:09.640 Rico Rejoso: Yeah.
478 01:00:21.440 ⇒ 01:00:25.990 Rico Rejoso: Yeah, … I kind of, like, you know, on the same page on that one.
479 01:00:26.310 ⇒ 01:00:33.270 Rico Rejoso: Since I’ve been, like… I noticed it, when, like, going through Slack, and you guys sharing those ideas.
480 01:00:33.590 ⇒ 01:00:36.190 Rico Rejoso: So maybe I have it properly documented.
481 01:00:36.700 ⇒ 01:00:40.499 Rico Rejoso: Moving on… gratitude and appreciation.
482 01:00:44.510 ⇒ 01:00:45.430 Rico Rejoso: …
483 01:00:48.660 ⇒ 01:00:52.479 Rico Rejoso: I think this is something that I’ve noticed, more on this,
484 01:00:52.710 ⇒ 01:01:01.899 Rico Rejoso: I mean, I mean, working with you guys and everyone, it’s like, everyone was, like, really, I mean, you guys show appreciation and stuff.
485 01:01:02.000 ⇒ 01:01:14.710 Rico Rejoso: a lot than others. Like, a simple, act of, saying thank you, stuff like that really matters for an individual, especially when they’re doing, when they’re, doing their job.
486 01:01:14.710 ⇒ 01:01:25.179 Rico Rejoso: As you wanted them to, and making sure that they feel appreciated at all times. I think it goes a long way. Personally, it boosts, one’s, like.
487 01:01:25.260 ⇒ 01:01:29.080 Rico Rejoso: … We’ll call it.
488 01:01:29.280 ⇒ 01:01:34.860 Rico Rejoso: … confidence, Knowing that someone is at their back, like.
489 01:01:35.370 ⇒ 01:01:45.980 Rico Rejoso: there to support them and everything. But I think, yeah, gratitude and appreciation goes a long way, once you show them to other people and make them feel appreciated.
490 01:01:46.820 ⇒ 01:01:52.010 Rico Rejoso: How about you? What’s… how about you guys? What’s your take on, you know, throwing gratitude and appreciation?
491 01:02:00.490 ⇒ 01:02:03.010 Hannah Wang: Keep doing it! I don’t trust.
492 01:02:03.010 ⇒ 01:02:03.480 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah.
493 01:02:03.480 ⇒ 01:02:12.939 Hannah Wang: And I think… I think it… it helps. At least for me, it really helps, even if it’s a small thank you. Like, it helps, so I’m sure it helps for other people, too.
494 01:02:13.080 ⇒ 01:02:16.970 Hannah Wang: … But yeah, just keep doing it.
495 01:02:20.210 ⇒ 01:02:22.529 Rico Rejoso: Agree. Yeah, it really does.
496 01:02:22.800 ⇒ 01:02:26.389 Rico Rejoso: Boost the morale of everyone, or anyone that receives those.
497 01:02:28.180 ⇒ 01:02:29.480 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, I agree.
498 01:02:29.820 ⇒ 01:02:31.320 Uttam Kumaran: I think it’s, …
499 01:02:32.480 ⇒ 01:02:38.930 Uttam Kumaran: it’s not easy, but for me, it’s like, as much as I give feedback, I want to go one-for-one with…
500 01:02:39.030 ⇒ 01:02:40.310 Uttam Kumaran: like, praise.
501 01:02:40.800 ⇒ 01:02:47.739 Uttam Kumaran: And you know, I try to always almost combine them, right? So when someone gives you something and you don’t agree.
502 01:02:48.110 ⇒ 01:02:53.359 Uttam Kumaran: you do want to say thanks for the effort they put in, and then here’s what I would do differently.
503 01:02:53.760 ⇒ 01:03:00.919 Uttam Kumaran: But this is where, like, I think we all could continue to do a good job of not just doing this in the meetings, but also doing this in Slack.
504 01:03:01.020 ⇒ 01:03:17.669 Uttam Kumaran: And be loud with it, like, you guys see how I was trying to do it, like, feel free to send it wherever, but I think it’s helpful, especially because we’re not all in the room together. I can… I know it can be hard if you… if you’re working alone, and for folks in their company, so I think it’s… especially for the new folks that join.
505 01:03:17.790 ⇒ 01:03:18.810 Uttam Kumaran: I think…
506 01:03:19.260 ⇒ 01:03:24.070 Uttam Kumaran: we’re kind of in the motion, right? But I think it’s great to kind of give them some…
507 01:03:24.640 ⇒ 01:03:27.629 Uttam Kumaran: Some high-fives and things like that, so….
508 01:03:33.980 ⇒ 01:03:34.720 Rico Rejoso: Agreed.
509 01:03:36.060 ⇒ 01:03:43.000 Rico Rejoso: Let’s, you know, Let’s show them a bit of appreciation and gratitude as well.
510 01:03:43.450 ⇒ 01:03:47.100 Rico Rejoso: Next… We have energy audit.
511 01:03:48.720 ⇒ 01:03:56.830 Rico Rejoso: Going through… Yeah, and… As we know, like, energy is not just time, or, you know.
512 01:03:57.070 ⇒ 01:04:03.999 Rico Rejoso: Simple fact that we’re 100% recharged every day, but it’s, once through resource.
513 01:04:05.110 ⇒ 01:04:23.959 Rico Rejoso: I do, like, believe that we all have, like, like, you know, like, phone battery, we have, like, 100% that we need to spread out all throughout the day, and the fact that we have to, you know, knowing where to spread those 100% energy each day can give you better output or results in what you’re doing every day.
514 01:04:24.360 ⇒ 01:04:25.070 Rico Rejoso: Yep.
515 01:04:25.400 ⇒ 01:04:30.790 Rico Rejoso: on your end, like, how do you audit your energy? How do you spread out this energy, those 100% each day?
516 01:04:37.950 ⇒ 01:04:38.860 Rico Rejoso: Anyone?
517 01:04:40.910 ⇒ 01:04:54.550 Amber Lin: I currently… I do a monthly overall check, across work and across my personal life. I just started it, like, a fee… a month or two ago, because last month was really stressful.
518 01:04:54.710 ⇒ 01:05:02.170 Amber Lin: So, that helps, and another thing that I learned is to see what…
519 01:05:02.510 ⇒ 01:05:11.369 Amber Lin: you can say no to. Especially for me, I just have a lot of meetings, and it’s, can this meeting be shorter? Can this meeting be async? …
520 01:05:11.670 ⇒ 01:05:18.559 Amber Lin: But can I do that while things still get delivered? So I think it’s getting… it’s getting…
521 01:05:18.930 ⇒ 01:05:28.639 Amber Lin: better, but I think energy audit needs to be a consistent cadence for it to keep taking effect.
522 01:05:33.230 ⇒ 01:05:34.150 Uttam Kumaran: Makes sense.
523 01:05:34.930 ⇒ 01:05:38.699 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, I think about energy, like, all the time. I think it’s, like…
524 01:05:39.620 ⇒ 01:05:41.809 Uttam Kumaran: I mean, there’s a lot of things…
525 01:05:42.080 ⇒ 01:05:46.759 Uttam Kumaran: that give me a lot of energy. There’s a lot of things that are really, really tough for me. I mean, these days.
526 01:05:46.980 ⇒ 01:05:55.830 Uttam Kumaran: I know I have to train myself to do the things that are the most painful. It’s usually the thing that is most important.
527 01:05:56.400 ⇒ 01:05:57.100 Uttam Kumaran: …
528 01:05:57.520 ⇒ 01:06:09.389 Uttam Kumaran: But I do think that I always try to think about the whole team and putting you guys in the place where your energy is, right? Like, I know for some folks, like, being in front of the client takes a lot of energy.
529 01:06:09.720 ⇒ 01:06:20.210 Uttam Kumaran: And so we want to limit some of that, and then we want to put you in the position that gives you a lot of energy. And so also, I think it’s helpful for you to think about your time like that, and then…
530 01:06:21.330 ⇒ 01:06:34.850 Uttam Kumaran: you know, as we do monthly reviews, or you talk to me, like, I think speaking in those terms is really helpful, right? Like, hey, I was in this meeting, and I got so much so energized from being there, how do we replicate that, you know? But I think about this a lot.
531 01:06:39.630 ⇒ 01:06:40.280 Rico Rejoso: Blee.
532 01:06:40.400 ⇒ 01:06:42.780 Rico Rejoso: The way you, you know, spend your energy.
533 01:06:43.020 ⇒ 01:06:46.899 Rico Rejoso: Shows it all, and how you can be more productive and efficient with your time.
534 01:06:47.140 ⇒ 01:06:48.140 Rico Rejoso: and yourself.
535 01:06:50.190 ⇒ 01:06:53.449 Rico Rejoso: Yeah, moving forward, health and well-being.
536 01:06:55.500 ⇒ 01:07:00.110 Uttam Kumaran: Rico, I have to drop the next meeting, but I’m happy to leave you guys here.
537 01:07:00.490 ⇒ 01:07:01.140 Rico Rejoso: Okay.
538 01:07:01.790 ⇒ 01:07:10.270 Amber Lin: I will also… actually, the meeting is with Rico. I think… I think we’re pretty much through the most important part.
539 01:07:10.650 ⇒ 01:07:11.380 Uttam Kumaran: Okay.
540 01:07:11.380 ⇒ 01:07:11.950 Rico Rejoso: Yeah.
541 01:07:12.820 ⇒ 01:07:13.170 Amber Lin: Yes.
542 01:07:13.170 ⇒ 01:07:16.849 Rico Rejoso: You know, we all have, like, you know, Other means to attend to.
543 01:07:16.980 ⇒ 01:07:18.029 Rico Rejoso: People are set.
544 01:07:18.870 ⇒ 01:07:20.809 Rico Rejoso: We can go through it, the next one.
545 01:07:21.330 ⇒ 01:07:24.629 Amber Lin: Okay, is the meeting next week on the same time?
546 01:07:27.090 ⇒ 01:07:36.200 Amber Lin: Okay, and our homework is… On group habits… Okay.
547 01:07:36.640 ⇒ 01:07:39.520 Rico Rejoso: Yeah, I’ll send the next chapter to you.
548 01:07:39.720 ⇒ 01:07:46.240 Rico Rejoso: go through for next week, or next, next week. Not sure, but okay, you know, go finalize as well.
549 01:07:47.170 ⇒ 01:07:47.930 Amber Lin: Okay.
550 01:07:48.610 ⇒ 01:07:49.630 Rico Rejoso: Awesome.
551 01:07:49.890 ⇒ 01:07:54.890 Rico Rejoso: Thank you. We’ll send, those details, through Slack on the Book Club Slack channel.
552 01:07:55.170 ⇒ 01:08:00.529 Amber Lin: Alright, and I’ll copy over… The action items that we thought about.
553 01:08:00.880 ⇒ 01:08:02.819 Amber Lin: Wonderful, thank you so much.
554 01:08:02.820 ⇒ 01:08:03.240 Uttam Kumaran: Thank you.
555 01:08:03.590 ⇒ 01:08:07.770 Rico Rejoso: Protion on, the meeting as well, if you need.
556 01:08:07.940 ⇒ 01:08:08.610 Amber Lin: Okay.
557 01:08:09.060 ⇒ 01:08:10.120 Amber Lin: Awesome.
558 01:08:10.390 ⇒ 01:08:12.270 Rico Rejoso: Thank you guys for attending today’s Book Club.
559 01:08:12.270 ⇒ 01:08:13.070 Hannah Wang: Lauren.
560 01:08:13.450 ⇒ 01:08:14.359 Uttam Kumaran: Thank you.
561 01:08:15.180 ⇒ 01:08:15.590 Rico Rejoso: Bye.
562 01:08:16.010 ⇒ 01:08:17.000 Mustafa Raja: Thank you.