Meeting Title: Thatch Job Data Review Sync Date: 2025-08-12 Meeting participants: Uttam Kumaran, Mustafa Raja
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1 00:05:50.110 ⇒ 00:05:50.870 Mustafa Raja: Hey.
2 00:05:51.060 ⇒ 00:05:53.260 Mustafa Raja: Sorry for joining late.
3 00:05:53.730 ⇒ 00:05:54.909 Uttam Kumaran: Hey, no worries.
4 00:05:55.720 ⇒ 00:05:56.360 Mustafa Raja: Yep.
5 00:05:58.480 ⇒ 00:05:59.880 Mustafa Raja: Yeah, I’m doing good.
6 00:06:04.700 ⇒ 00:06:05.590 Uttam Kumaran: what’s new.
7 00:06:06.000 ⇒ 00:06:11.149 Mustafa Raja: Yeah, I’m just adding the, credits required for both situations.
8 00:06:11.600 ⇒ 00:06:12.340 Uttam Kumaran: Okay.
9 00:06:13.070 ⇒ 00:06:13.730 Mustafa Raja: Yeah.
10 00:06:14.300 ⇒ 00:06:19.469 Mustafa Raja: Oh… For this, we need standard access.
11 00:06:19.600 ⇒ 00:06:25.270 Mustafa Raja: Standard… What was it called?
12 00:06:43.330 ⇒ 00:06:44.060 Mustafa Raja: Hmm.
13 00:06:46.070 ⇒ 00:06:52.320 Mustafa Raja: Yeah, the Google Ads Manager might incur… might incur some code… oh, sorry, some cost.
14 00:06:52.460 ⇒ 00:06:58.110 Mustafa Raja: Because it’s asking for… billing address….
15 00:07:01.130 ⇒ 00:07:04.909 Uttam Kumaran: That’s fine, yeah, let’s… let’s just, I think, leave it for now, see what Robert says.
16 00:07:05.540 ⇒ 00:07:07.560 Mustafa Raja: Yep, I have filled up.
17 00:07:08.900 ⇒ 00:07:11.269 Mustafa Raja: The things that needed to be filled.
18 00:07:13.430 ⇒ 00:07:14.130 Mustafa Raja: Yeah.
19 00:07:15.080 ⇒ 00:07:16.170 Mustafa Raja: Okay.
20 00:07:16.960 ⇒ 00:07:24.920 Mustafa Raja: So… so what do we need to work on in this work session? Are we looking for… Intelludor….
21 00:07:26.440 ⇒ 00:07:29.559 Uttam Kumaran: Let’s make… let’s look at default stuff.
22 00:07:30.010 ⇒ 00:07:30.730 Mustafa Raja: Yep.
23 00:07:34.250 ⇒ 00:07:34.950 Mustafa Raja: Okay.
24 00:07:36.430 ⇒ 00:07:37.180 Mustafa Raja: Shit.
25 00:07:37.440 ⇒ 00:07:40.570 Mustafa Raja: It’s… No sense.
26 00:07:58.770 ⇒ 00:08:04.900 Mustafa Raja: It wasn’t this one, let me log out, so… We don’t…
27 00:08:40.159 ⇒ 00:08:42.729 Mustafa Raja: Yeah, so I was able to add, …
28 00:08:47.280 ⇒ 00:08:48.980 Mustafa Raja: Core signal yesterday.
29 00:08:49.750 ⇒ 00:08:51.920 Mustafa Raja: I haven’t run the table fully.
30 00:08:52.070 ⇒ 00:08:52.900 Mustafa Raja: Yay.
31 00:08:53.280 ⇒ 00:08:57.590 Mustafa Raja: So let me know if, if we should… Run it in this.
32 00:08:57.810 ⇒ 00:08:59.409 Mustafa Raja: Meeting. Right now.
33 00:09:00.900 ⇒ 00:09:05.719 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, so can we go through, like, a similar example that we did with them? ….
34 00:09:06.870 ⇒ 00:09:08.430 Mustafa Raja: Okay….
35 00:09:08.430 ⇒ 00:09:10.730 Uttam Kumaran: Like, we can just pick one and go through it?
36 00:09:12.840 ⇒ 00:09:15.140 Mustafa Raja: Yeah, which one would you want to pick?
37 00:09:15.270 ⇒ 00:09:18.680 Mustafa Raja: Let me see if painful is ready for this.
38 00:09:19.490 ⇒ 00:09:23.430 Mustafa Raja: Yeah, these are the companies, let me know which one should we choose.
39 00:09:24.310 ⇒ 00:09:26.310 Uttam Kumaran: Let’s pick Thatch.
40 00:09:27.440 ⇒ 00:09:31.200 Mustafa Raja: Okay, let me just quickly look into this.
41 00:09:32.970 ⇒ 00:09:34.040 Mustafa Raja: Hmm…
42 00:09:42.790 ⇒ 00:09:44.070 Mustafa Raja: 1 minute deep.
43 00:09:49.220 ⇒ 00:09:52.480 Mustafa Raja: Okay, so Thatch, let’s look into that.
44 00:09:59.380 ⇒ 00:10:03.700 Mustafa Raja: Domain… to me.
45 00:10:04.580 ⇒ 00:10:05.320 Mustafa Raja: Okay.
46 00:10:14.100 ⇒ 00:10:14.860 Mustafa Raja: Okay.
47 00:10:17.010 ⇒ 00:10:18.700 Mustafa Raja: Let’s run this.
48 00:10:23.860 ⇒ 00:10:26.820 Mustafa Raja: For tools, I have left it to be…
49 00:10:32.820 ⇒ 00:10:33.550 Mustafa Raja: Bro.
50 00:11:12.520 ⇒ 00:11:13.440 Mustafa Raja: Give me back.
51 00:11:15.810 ⇒ 00:11:16.590 Mustafa Raja: Sure.
52 00:11:22.210 ⇒ 00:11:23.070 Mustafa Raja: Oh, yeah.
53 00:11:23.930 ⇒ 00:11:24.880 Mustafa Raja: Resolute.
54 00:11:33.480 ⇒ 00:11:38.540 Mustafa Raja: Let’s run this… This one’s
55 00:11:45.100 ⇒ 00:11:45.840 Mustafa Raja: Yes.
56 00:11:55.540 ⇒ 00:11:58.900 Mustafa Raja: Okay, yeah, so this… this is… this has run.
57 00:11:59.080 ⇒ 00:12:06.619 Mustafa Raja: So, … I have a filter, in…
58 00:12:06.830 ⇒ 00:12:22.860 Mustafa Raja: the core signal that we have. So, I implemented this over, in the edit, and the reason is because we first need to search for the jobs, and then we need to, collect them. So it’s too, …
59 00:12:23.020 ⇒ 00:12:37.650 Mustafa Raja: two HTTP requests, so, yeah, Clay… Clay would have been a little bit complex, so I thought, let’s just quickly do it and, edit and have… have it fetch, or have Clay fetch the jobs from here.
60 00:12:38.000 ⇒ 00:12:38.770 Uttam Kumaran: Okay.
61 00:12:39.160 ⇒ 00:12:45.959 Mustafa Raja: So, the filter is that we look for the jobs posted by this company past 6 months.
62 00:12:46.820 ⇒ 00:12:53.389 Mustafa Raja: So this is the, domain, and this is the, created at GTE, greater than value.
63 00:12:53.990 ⇒ 00:12:57.320 Mustafa Raja: Greater than or equal to, this state.
64 00:12:59.130 ⇒ 00:12:59.900 Uttam Kumaran: Okay.
65 00:13:00.320 ⇒ 00:13:08.990 Mustafa Raja: Yeah, and then we just collect all of them. For this, for Thatch, we only got… One.
66 00:13:09.090 ⇒ 00:13:10.410 Mustafa Raja: …
67 00:13:14.970 ⇒ 00:13:15.860 Mustafa Raja: Hmm.
68 00:13:16.160 ⇒ 00:13:18.350 Mustafa Raja: Okay, so…
69 00:13:18.570 ⇒ 00:13:35.939 Mustafa Raja: We got that, and… and the rest of the rest of it is pretty similar, than before, because, the GPTs I didn’t, what’s it called? Update much, because I was more… more focused on getting this job data, and setting up the fallback.
70 00:13:36.810 ⇒ 00:13:38.730 Mustafa Raja: We have this fallback.
71 00:13:39.060 ⇒ 00:13:51.179 Mustafa Raja: So if this, so if this returns 200, but it’s empty, this check will stay false, and then this waterfall will run.
72 00:13:51.290 ⇒ 00:13:53.869 Mustafa Raja: So either way, we always get some data.
73 00:13:54.190 ⇒ 00:13:54.850 Uttam Kumaran: Okay.
74 00:13:55.720 ⇒ 00:14:04.000 Mustafa Raja: Let me quickly… this… Okay.
75 00:14:07.800 ⇒ 00:14:08.610 Mustafa Raja: Okay.
76 00:14:13.860 ⇒ 00:14:17.900 Mustafa Raja: Yeah, I guess, … I guess I need your review on this.
77 00:14:19.650 ⇒ 00:14:28.509 Uttam Kumaran: But I guess my point is, like, can you… can we walk… can we just walk through every step manually as well? So, like, let’s just go to their… let’s go to Thatch Careers.
78 00:14:29.700 ⇒ 00:14:31.460 Uttam Kumaran: And let’s just see….
79 00:14:35.020 ⇒ 00:14:36.870 Mustafa Raja: Good news.
80 00:14:58.280 ⇒ 00:15:04.000 Mustafa Raja: Hmm… They do have quite a few open, but I did get one only.
81 00:15:05.800 ⇒ 00:15:07.269 Mustafa Raja: Which one did it send?
82 00:15:12.130 ⇒ 00:15:12.880 Mustafa Raja: Whoa.
83 00:15:14.250 ⇒ 00:15:15.090 Mustafa Raja: this one.
84 00:15:15.680 ⇒ 00:15:17.040 Mustafa Raja: Oh, please.
85 00:15:22.160 ⇒ 00:15:22.860 Uttam Kumaran: Okay.
86 00:15:23.990 ⇒ 00:15:27.669 Uttam Kumaran: Okay, that’s… yeah, it’s… I mean, it’s still not great.
87 00:15:27.850 ⇒ 00:15:28.680 Mustafa Raja: Yeah.
88 00:15:30.130 ⇒ 00:15:30.960 Mustafa Raja: Oh, literally.
89 00:15:30.960 ⇒ 00:15:31.659 Uttam Kumaran: agent, do.
90 00:15:31.660 ⇒ 00:15:32.200 Mustafa Raja: That means…
91 00:15:34.830 ⇒ 00:15:49.079 Mustafa Raja: Yeah, I was thinking the same thing, if we can… what we can do is we can make ClayAgent go to their website and look for the link that would lead up to their career or jobs page, and then scrape that.
92 00:15:49.720 ⇒ 00:15:51.840 Uttam Kumaran: Okay, let’s try that as, like, the first step.
93 00:15:54.380 ⇒ 00:15:55.050 Mustafa Raja: Okay.
94 00:15:57.200 ⇒ 00:15:58.629 Mustafa Raja: Oh, let me add that.
95 00:16:00.880 ⇒ 00:16:05.240 Mustafa Raja: … Not this one.
96 00:16:09.120 ⇒ 00:16:10.740 Mustafa Raja: Client…
97 00:16:13.990 ⇒ 00:16:15.199 Mustafa Raja: Energy sort, too.
98 00:17:27.180 ⇒ 00:17:50.460 Uttam Kumaran: Hi, so first off, thank you for giving me this opportunity to talk a little bit about myself here. I’ve got your questions up on screen, so I’ll dive in. The first one, I’m really proud of the work that I did in a company called Builders Update. That is the real estate SaaS company that I was a part of from the ground for. So I helped really build that startup, not at the inception of it, I was a founder, but right after I was brought in to build out all of the operations, systems, processes, everything at Builders Update. There was nothing in place as far as codified ways of going about business when I joined, so that was my job.
99 00:17:50.460 ⇒ 00:17:55.610 Uttam Kumaran: Specifically, I implemented, like, a CRM system. I set that up so that we could manage all of our customer relations. I led the product team.
100 00:19:06.140 ⇒ 00:19:07.600 Mustafa Raja: Hmm, it did a good job.
101 00:19:08.180 ⇒ 00:19:09.010 Uttam Kumaran: Hmm?
102 00:19:09.850 ⇒ 00:19:23.309 Mustafa Raja: So it was able to, look, it wasn’t able to, extract the, in a structured JSON, but we can work on that so it can extract, but it’s able to visit, visit this link.
103 00:19:23.910 ⇒ 00:19:25.900 Uttam Kumaran: Okay. That has all the jobs.
104 00:19:27.130 ⇒ 00:19:29.050 Uttam Kumaran: Okay, great, so let’s move on to the next.
105 00:19:29.050 ⇒ 00:19:32.169 Mustafa Raja: What I can do is I can have it…
106 00:19:33.030 ⇒ 00:19:34.860 Mustafa Raja: Do we need the job description?
107 00:19:35.580 ⇒ 00:19:41.089 Mustafa Raja: Because if we need the job description, then it’ll have to go to every single one of these, and then….
108 00:19:41.090 ⇒ 00:19:42.919 Uttam Kumaran: No, no, no, I just need the titles.
109 00:19:43.560 ⇒ 00:19:47.190 Mustafa Raja: Okay, so… so we can do just the titles?
110 00:19:47.310 ⇒ 00:19:50.580 Mustafa Raja: Yes. And whatever else information there is, right?
111 00:19:51.310 ⇒ 00:19:51.990 Uttam Kumaran: Yes.
112 00:19:52.590 ⇒ 00:19:58.419 Mustafa Raja: Oh, let me, let me, let me work on that. And what do we need to do after that? You’re saying something?
113 00:19:59.090 ⇒ 00:20:06.890 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, just let’s go through the next… the next signal. So this is, like, what the client is going to want to make sure that our stuff is accurate, right? So….
114 00:20:07.600 ⇒ 00:20:08.200 Mustafa Raja: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
115 00:20:08.200 ⇒ 00:20:10.089 Uttam Kumaran: Is their ops roles open?
116 00:20:10.620 ⇒ 00:20:15.539 Uttam Kumaran: Second? Okay, so then what’s the next signal? What’s, like, the other… the other signals for this?
117 00:20:16.670 ⇒ 00:20:21.430 Mustafa Raja: This… okay, okay, wait, let me, let me….
118 00:20:21.430 ⇒ 00:20:22.890 Uttam Kumaran: Fragmentation, right?
119 00:20:24.000 ⇒ 00:20:24.840 Mustafa Raja: Yeah, yeah.
120 00:20:26.210 ⇒ 00:20:27.490 Mustafa Raja: Okay…
121 00:20:33.790 ⇒ 00:20:35.549 Mustafa Raja: Your title only.
122 00:20:40.330 ⇒ 00:20:41.360 Mustafa Raja: Doctor.
123 00:21:05.210 ⇒ 00:21:13.100 Mustafa Raja: Job title, and let’s do additional… Nation and function.
124 00:22:00.740 ⇒ 00:22:03.750 Mustafa Raja: Do we have any meetings with interlude people?
125 00:22:04.780 ⇒ 00:22:11.340 Uttam Kumaran: No, I’m trying to get one… I’m trying to get one book, but… for Interlude, like, I guess we’re still waiting on their Notion thing, right?
126 00:22:11.340 ⇒ 00:22:17.359 Mustafa Raja: Yeah… It’s okay. Yeah, it’s able to, it’s able to get the… yeah, yeah.
127 00:22:17.360 ⇒ 00:22:17.930 Uttam Kumaran: Okay, great.
128 00:22:17.930 ⇒ 00:22:22.979 Mustafa Raja: the 9 jobs that are open. I’ll need to… I’ll need to set up the…
129 00:22:23.720 ⇒ 00:22:25.390 Mustafa Raja: Hierarchy for this, though.
130 00:22:25.570 ⇒ 00:22:26.050 Uttam Kumaran: Okay.
131 00:22:26.050 ⇒ 00:22:35.530 Mustafa Raja: I feel if this is the case, we are going with this, we should, remove core signal altogether. What’s… what’d you say?
132 00:22:35.530 ⇒ 00:22:40.970 Uttam Kumaran: I would leave it for now. Let’s just try to have… let’s just try to make sure it’s accurate first, and then we can start to remove.
133 00:22:41.270 ⇒ 00:22:48.460 Mustafa Raja: Okay, okay, okay. Okay, so, so for next, so, so, so, for next step, right, …
134 00:22:49.470 ⇒ 00:22:54.260 Mustafa Raja: Let me also… we need to still make some adjustments, because…
135 00:22:54.650 ⇒ 00:22:56.989 Mustafa Raja: The job rolls around reading this.
136 00:22:57.670 ⇒ 00:23:06.820 Mustafa Raja: Okay, for the second one, we have this, category overlap … What’s it reasoning?
137 00:23:07.030 ⇒ 00:23:15.059 Mustafa Raja: … So yeah, given the technologies, it looks, for overlaps within tools.
138 00:23:15.700 ⇒ 00:23:21.659 Mustafa Raja: So, for this… yeah, we have programming, and I remember
139 00:23:21.850 ⇒ 00:23:26.239 Mustafa Raja: We need to remove those, and we need to only add marketing ones, right?
140 00:23:27.230 ⇒ 00:23:36.399 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, so maybe we can go check, like, what they said in the meeting, because I feel like it was there. What you can probably do is you could just take the transcript, take this, and say, like, what…
141 00:23:36.570 ⇒ 00:23:38.019 Uttam Kumaran: What should we change?
142 00:23:38.240 ⇒ 00:23:39.340 Mustafa Raja: Oh, yeah.
143 00:23:42.340 ⇒ 00:23:43.629 Mustafa Raja: Let me do that.
144 00:23:46.690 ⇒ 00:23:50.020 Mustafa Raja: I’ll be off, Thursday.
145 00:23:50.840 ⇒ 00:23:51.600 Uttam Kumaran: Okay.
146 00:23:57.700 ⇒ 00:24:03.080 Mustafa Raja: Oh, Rico said that we are hiring, … Engineer.
147 00:24:06.180 ⇒ 00:24:12.360 Uttam Kumaran: We’re hiring for every… we’re hiring smart people all the time, so nope, every role.
148 00:24:17.370 ⇒ 00:24:18.380 Mustafa Raja: Yeah, it’s this one.
149 00:25:53.760 ⇒ 00:25:59.410 Mustafa Raja: The data APIs, I’ve noticed, are very expensive, the ones that provide this data.
150 00:25:59.970 ⇒ 00:26:00.750 Uttam Kumaran: Hmm.
151 00:26:00.750 ⇒ 00:26:01.989 Mustafa Raja: About anything.
152 00:26:21.320 ⇒ 00:26:25.329 Uttam Kumaran: Dude, this is the type of stuff that I want to make available in our platform.
153 00:26:26.720 ⇒ 00:26:27.410 Mustafa Raja: Yeah.
154 00:26:31.710 ⇒ 00:26:37.889 Mustafa Raja: … I could have asked over here, though.
155 00:26:38.950 ⇒ 00:26:43.410 Uttam Kumaran: I know, that’s what I’m You told me!
156 00:26:43.410 ⇒ 00:26:48.370 Mustafa Raja: I guess I just… Just this.
157 00:26:56.860 ⇒ 00:26:58.770 Mustafa Raja: Let’s try what it says.
158 00:27:34.560 ⇒ 00:27:35.480 Mustafa Raja: Hmm…
159 00:27:39.200 ⇒ 00:27:39.870 Mustafa Raja: Okay.
160 00:29:51.510 ⇒ 00:30:00.339 Mustafa Raja: So it says that it now considers only GTM category, and these are the tools that have some sort of overlap.
161 00:30:01.710 ⇒ 00:30:02.480 Uttam Kumaran: Okay.
162 00:30:02.790 ⇒ 00:30:04.640 Uttam Kumaran: Okay, great. That’s a lot better.
163 00:30:04.950 ⇒ 00:30:09.089 Mustafa Raja: I don’t know about these tools. Do you….
164 00:30:09.090 ⇒ 00:30:11.369 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, I know, they’re great. It’s perfect.
165 00:30:11.650 ⇒ 00:30:21.140 Uttam Kumaran: So, can you run… so, I have to just… I have to run to my next meeting, but keep slacking me. I think, kind of two things. One is, like.
166 00:30:21.300 ⇒ 00:30:30.619 Uttam Kumaran: Can you… can you now run this on the one we tested with them on the phone? Second is, you know, they asked us about, like, can you log in and get the console?
167 00:30:30.730 ⇒ 00:30:31.690 Uttam Kumaran: Remember?
168 00:30:31.990 ⇒ 00:30:39.780 Mustafa Raja: Oh, yeah, … Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So, so what they need is, they want to extract from, HTML, right?
169 00:30:40.620 ⇒ 00:30:41.400 Uttam Kumaran: Yes.
170 00:30:42.110 ⇒ 00:30:48.009 Mustafa Raja: Yes, I believe ClayGen might be able to do this. So, I’m going to test that.
171 00:30:48.340 ⇒ 00:30:51.869 Mustafa Raja: If not, then we might have to do some browser automation.
172 00:30:52.250 ⇒ 00:30:53.000 Uttam Kumaran: Okay.
173 00:30:55.730 ⇒ 00:30:56.430 Mustafa Raja: Yeah.
174 00:30:58.580 ⇒ 00:31:02.170 Uttam Kumaran: Okay, okay, great. Alright, I’ll call you as soon as I’m out of this next thing.
175 00:31:02.550 ⇒ 00:31:03.410 Mustafa Raja: Okay, okay, thank you.
176 00:31:03.410 ⇒ 00:31:04.620 Uttam Kumaran: Okay, alright, thank you.