Meeting Title: Engineering Leads Sync Date: 2025-08-11 Meeting participants: Awaish Kumar, Sam Roberts, Uttam Kumaran
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1 00:03:54.910 ⇒ 00:03:55.830 Sam Roberts: Boom.
2 00:03:58.250 ⇒ 00:03:58.880 Awaish Kumar: Hello?
3 00:04:01.460 ⇒ 00:04:02.429 Sam Roberts: Your day going?
4 00:04:03.740 ⇒ 00:04:05.440 Awaish Kumar: All good, how about you?
5 00:04:06.020 ⇒ 00:04:08.020 Sam Roberts: Yeah, pretty good, you know, just…
6 00:04:08.980 ⇒ 00:04:13.240 Sam Roberts: A lot of… a lot of meetings I was in today, getting up to speed on some stuff, so….
7 00:04:16.079 ⇒ 00:04:17.809 Sam Roberts: Well, again, plugged into things.
8 00:04:22.119 ⇒ 00:04:22.789 Sam Roberts: Dude.
9 00:04:38.179 ⇒ 00:04:40.209 Sam Roberts: So they’re running 10-15 behind.
10 00:06:10.120 ⇒ 00:06:10.970 Uttam Kumaran: Hey guys.
11 00:06:12.690 ⇒ 00:06:13.390 Awaish Kumar: Hello.
12 00:06:13.940 ⇒ 00:06:14.750 Sam Roberts: Hey.
13 00:06:15.320 ⇒ 00:06:16.560 Uttam Kumaran: Hey, how’s it going?
14 00:06:20.080 ⇒ 00:06:21.590 Awaish Kumar: All good, how about you?
15 00:06:22.910 ⇒ 00:06:30.519 Uttam Kumaran: Good. Second week of, Monday, like, planning, so I feel good. I’m looking… really looking forward to this meeting.
16 00:06:31.100 ⇒ 00:06:37.040 Uttam Kumaran: This is probably the one meeting I’m actually, like… I feel like I’m with, like, more of my people, so I feel good.
17 00:06:37.190 ⇒ 00:06:42.370 Uttam Kumaran: But… yeah, like, I think maybe if I could set the tone for today, like.
18 00:06:42.560 ⇒ 00:06:48.669 Uttam Kumaran: I want to hear about, particularly want to hear, about how it’s going with
19 00:06:48.790 ⇒ 00:07:01.329 Uttam Kumaran: Annie and Kayo, I want to talk about Sam, you know, taking more of a lead role on, you know, the AI clients we have.
20 00:07:01.410 ⇒ 00:07:12.069 Uttam Kumaran: And then I… I do want to talk about, you know, yeah, who can… who can sort of own data quality and sort of observability across our entire stack?
21 00:07:12.270 ⇒ 00:07:18.209 Uttam Kumaran: … So yeah, we, I can let you, you know.
22 00:07:18.430 ⇒ 00:07:20.739 Uttam Kumaran: Take control of Wish and walk through things.
23 00:07:22.140 ⇒ 00:07:28.650 Awaish Kumar: Yeah, so… for this meeting, I’ve started adding some of the
24 00:07:28.840 ⇒ 00:07:32.330 Awaish Kumar: Fines, which one on my mind. …
25 00:07:33.600 ⇒ 00:07:37.939 Awaish Kumar: like, I have added the inputs here, so maybe…
26 00:07:39.530 ⇒ 00:07:43.400 Awaish Kumar: I don’t know, like, if… Sam, do you wanna…
27 00:07:44.190 ⇒ 00:07:48.859 Awaish Kumar: Do you have anything, did you go… want to go first on your points?
28 00:07:50.910 ⇒ 00:08:01.829 Sam Roberts: Yeah, I mean, I’m still… I mean, I might… you want to talk about, like, me, the, like, taking things over? I think that the discussion you want to have now, or do you want to go through other things first?
29 00:08:05.190 ⇒ 00:08:11.860 Awaish Kumar: Yeah, it was just, like, if you have any… anything in your mind to say, but otherwise, I can start.
30 00:08:12.380 ⇒ 00:08:14.709 Sam Roberts: Yeah, no, I would say you go ahead first, because I… yeah.
31 00:08:15.190 ⇒ 00:08:15.640 Sam Roberts: Both men.
32 00:08:15.640 ⇒ 00:08:20.110 Awaish Kumar: Okay, yeah, so first of all, for this Eden.
33 00:08:20.920 ⇒ 00:08:25.700 Awaish Kumar: Kind of a tagging and tracking project, which was… Lagging behind, and we…
34 00:08:26.000 ⇒ 00:08:28.899 Awaish Kumar: And you shared a kind of proposal with Zoran.
35 00:08:29.280 ⇒ 00:08:38.220 Awaish Kumar: He has reviewed his comments, and it’s more like he has shared some relay… Related work experience?
36 00:08:38.380 ⇒ 00:08:44.049 Awaish Kumar: So… like, I have also sent him emails, so, like.
37 00:08:44.600 ⇒ 00:08:49.090 Awaish Kumar: what are the next steps here? Like, are we restricted by budget, or…?
38 00:08:49.610 ⇒ 00:08:52.479 Awaish Kumar: Is it something we want to move forward with?
39 00:08:52.670 ⇒ 00:08:53.760 Uttam Kumaran: For Zoran?
40 00:08:54.020 ⇒ 00:08:54.650 Awaish Kumar: Yep.
41 00:08:55.190 ⇒ 00:08:57.370 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, I emailed him back asking about the rate.
42 00:08:57.560 ⇒ 00:08:59.430 Uttam Kumaran: I mean, I guess…
43 00:08:59.920 ⇒ 00:09:06.929 Uttam Kumaran: Would he come in and take… is that… is this work that Andrew would be handling, or Henry would be handling, or, what do you think it is?
44 00:09:06.930 ⇒ 00:09:13.180 Awaish Kumar: they both are doing kind of same work with what I… But I see.
45 00:09:13.390 ⇒ 00:09:20.040 Awaish Kumar: like, Andrew is more, like, setting up the architecture, maybe solution… as a solution architect.
46 00:09:20.340 ⇒ 00:09:23.230 Uttam Kumaran: Okay. And Henry is more like then implementing it.
47 00:09:24.050 ⇒ 00:09:27.530 Uttam Kumaran: So it’d be like… it’d be like, Zoran versus Henry.
48 00:09:28.120 ⇒ 00:09:29.640 Awaish Kumar: Yes, yes.
49 00:09:30.810 ⇒ 00:09:35.400 Uttam Kumaran: Okay, so I think in terms of actions, like, I reached out to Zoran about rate.
50 00:09:35.540 ⇒ 00:09:37.399 Uttam Kumaran: I think once we get that back.
51 00:09:37.570 ⇒ 00:09:47.240 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, I’m open to you passing that to… I’m open for you to discuss Z with Robert.
52 00:09:49.730 ⇒ 00:09:56.470 Uttam Kumaran: And then… consider M versus… Henry.
53 00:09:57.750 ⇒ 00:10:01.489 Uttam Kumaran: On Eden. I’m totally open for that.
54 00:10:03.270 ⇒ 00:10:07.780 Awaish Kumar: Okay, and are we looking him to come on, like…
55 00:10:08.710 ⇒ 00:10:16.850 Awaish Kumar: Hourly basis as our part-time employees, or it’s more like a… we share with him a scope project…
56 00:10:17.020 ⇒ 00:10:20.269 Awaish Kumar: And he’s going to execute it on a fixed, like, price.
57 00:10:20.270 ⇒ 00:10:25.110 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, I’m gonna… I wanna… I asked him about, like, what his rate is, let’s see how he comes back. I mean…
58 00:10:26.430 ⇒ 00:10:28.480 Uttam Kumaran: I mean, I’m happy to do both.
59 00:10:28.700 ⇒ 00:10:35.910 Uttam Kumaran: If possible, it would be great to sort of hand him an amount to execute, but we could also start one way or another.
60 00:10:36.040 ⇒ 00:10:45.899 Uttam Kumaran: For me, I think the biggest thing is, like, I’ve… we’ve had some difficulty with Henry, and I’m not 100% sure if he’s going to be the best person for this long-term.
61 00:10:46.520 ⇒ 00:10:49.360 Uttam Kumaran: Also, Andrew’s time is very expensive.
62 00:10:49.500 ⇒ 00:10:51.510 Uttam Kumaran: So I just want to make sure that, like.
63 00:10:51.680 ⇒ 00:10:57.439 Uttam Kumaran: if Zoran is good, and he actually… I liked how detailed he was in his answers, he seems like…
64 00:10:58.500 ⇒ 00:11:04.560 Uttam Kumaran: you know, pretty, like, good enthusiasm, so I’m down to just keep rotating folks and find the right person.
65 00:11:05.250 ⇒ 00:11:06.710 Awaish Kumar: Okay. No.
66 00:11:07.350 ⇒ 00:11:10.920 Awaish Kumar: Okay, so for… For this, we have, …
67 00:11:11.630 ⇒ 00:11:21.560 Awaish Kumar: we will be waiting for his rate, and then move forward with the discussion on it. And then for COGS project, like we discussed in the last meetings, that
68 00:11:21.680 ⇒ 00:11:25.540 Awaish Kumar: So, also kind of lagging, I… talk with, …
69 00:11:25.730 ⇒ 00:11:29.490 Awaish Kumar: I spoke with Demolade, and we have… I have linked the document here.
70 00:11:29.590 ⇒ 00:11:34.799 Awaish Kumar: It’s more of a… it needs re-scoping of the project.
71 00:11:35.100 ⇒ 00:11:38.119 Awaish Kumar: And so, like, it’s just an update, like, I’m…
72 00:11:39.050 ⇒ 00:11:48.639 Awaish Kumar: I will be kind of owning it to help him re-scope, and maybe some help with Amber. We are going to create new milestones, and then…
73 00:11:49.170 ⇒ 00:11:50.150 Awaish Kumar: Closet.
74 00:11:51.870 ⇒ 00:11:52.560 Uttam Kumaran: Okay.
75 00:11:56.000 ⇒ 00:12:01.529 Awaish Kumar: for hidden north beam connector, yeah, yeah, I need your feedback on, like.
76 00:12:01.760 ⇒ 00:12:05.450 Awaish Kumar: Qualtomic said they need some time, because…
77 00:12:05.630 ⇒ 00:12:13.420 Awaish Kumar: they found some bug with the North Beam API or something, and… Robert was…
78 00:12:13.570 ⇒ 00:12:25.170 Awaish Kumar: I would say he needs, like, this reverse ETL sooner than, like… and if Atomic cannot deliver it in one today, we might opt for coral data.
79 00:12:27.330 ⇒ 00:12:35.760 Uttam Kumaran: Okay, I mean, look, there’s not a… there’s not a… there’s no reverse ETL product that exists right now for Northbeam, I, like, searched.
80 00:12:36.250 ⇒ 00:12:42.630 Uttam Kumaran: So… I’m down to also share that with polyatomic? I mean…
81 00:12:43.220 ⇒ 00:12:46.370 Uttam Kumaran: It’s like, we gave them a fair bit of leads of, like.
82 00:12:46.730 ⇒ 00:12:51.539 Uttam Kumaran: we didn’t give them, like, that much lead time, so I’m kind of like… What’s the rush?
83 00:12:51.790 ⇒ 00:12:58.349 Uttam Kumaran: But… If you’re like, hey, the client definitely needs it, then maybe we should tell them, like, hey, we…
84 00:13:03.450 ⇒ 00:13:07.679 Uttam Kumaran: Like, we need to, I don’t know, do something else, not sure.
85 00:13:09.570 ⇒ 00:13:11.610 Awaish Kumar: I think Robert is more like…
86 00:13:14.520 ⇒ 00:13:20.090 Awaish Kumar: Yeah, Robert is concerned because, like, there’s no… Significant, like, …
87 00:13:20.190 ⇒ 00:13:24.330 Awaish Kumar: Development on tagging and track… tracking… tracking project.
88 00:13:24.860 ⇒ 00:13:25.910 Awaish Kumar: As a whole.
89 00:13:28.450 ⇒ 00:13:29.100 Awaish Kumar: Anyone?
90 00:13:29.100 ⇒ 00:13:30.699 Uttam Kumaran: Oh, I see. Okay.
91 00:13:30.700 ⇒ 00:13:31.660 Awaish Kumar: Which, like….
92 00:13:33.060 ⇒ 00:13:44.320 Uttam Kumaran: But, like, then this is where I would push back to, like, say it’s, like, the only two people involved in that project are Henry and Andrew. So, I would like to know…
93 00:13:44.480 ⇒ 00:13:48.709 Uttam Kumaran: If it’s Henry, Andrew, and Polytomic are, like, the three issues.
94 00:13:49.300 ⇒ 00:13:54.160 Uttam Kumaran: I have most faith in Polyatomic, because we’ve been using them. They’re gonna gen- they’re gonna get it done.
95 00:13:57.680 ⇒ 00:14:04.329 Awaish Kumar: Yeah, like, I don’t know, like, he maybe spoke to Coral Data, they said they can build it for…
96 00:14:05.050 ⇒ 00:14:09.020 Awaish Kumar: One today, in one or two days, so that’s why.
97 00:14:10.810 ⇒ 00:14:14.690 Uttam Kumaran: Okay, maybe put an action here that, like, we’ll discuss in the manager’s meeting next.
98 00:14:15.120 ⇒ 00:14:15.820 Awaish Kumar: Correct.
99 00:14:22.250 ⇒ 00:14:27.469 Awaish Kumar: Then for next Miguel, like, I just had a meeting with him on…
100 00:14:27.600 ⇒ 00:14:30.039 Awaish Kumar: Cool parts to go, and there’s, …
101 00:14:30.540 ⇒ 00:14:36.480 Awaish Kumar: like, last work on the, bot to automate, like, the booking.
102 00:14:37.820 ⇒ 00:14:44.930 Awaish Kumar: So, I don’t know, like, who is going to work on pool parts to grow, like, in the future, and…
103 00:14:45.130 ⇒ 00:14:49.580 Awaish Kumar: Zoom to own those… on that, like, the script and….
104 00:14:50.530 ⇒ 00:14:52.350 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, it’s gonna be Casey.
105 00:14:54.590 ⇒ 00:14:55.070 Awaish Kumar: True.
106 00:14:55.070 ⇒ 00:14:56.000 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah.
107 00:15:02.810 ⇒ 00:15:06.089 Awaish Kumar: Yeah, like, the first session was kind of a…
108 00:15:08.220 ⇒ 00:15:14.339 Awaish Kumar: starting point, but I think it was a good… Place to have a conversation.
109 00:15:17.440 ⇒ 00:15:23.610 Awaish Kumar: It was not pretty refined in the first session, but yeah, like, It, it…
110 00:15:23.860 ⇒ 00:15:28.550 Awaish Kumar: It can be more productive, like, we go round robin, and …
111 00:15:29.270 ⇒ 00:15:32.970 Awaish Kumar: each, like, if someone is not working with AI,
112 00:15:33.210 ⇒ 00:15:39.180 Awaish Kumar: still going to try some AI if he got selected for a session, he has to share something.
113 00:15:39.610 ⇒ 00:15:40.340 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah.
114 00:15:40.340 ⇒ 00:15:43.070 Awaish Kumar: And then we, like, that way we make him, like.
115 00:15:43.330 ⇒ 00:15:45.689 Awaish Kumar: At least do something with the eye, and…
116 00:15:47.180 ⇒ 00:15:49.600 Awaish Kumar: So I think it’s, like, we should keep it.
117 00:15:50.220 ⇒ 00:15:55.079 Awaish Kumar: And, assign people ourselves instead of volunteers.
118 00:15:56.370 ⇒ 00:16:01.839 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, I don’t know, Sam, if you have any thoughts on, like, that all-engineering session we did, and, like, anything we could improve?
119 00:16:02.730 ⇒ 00:16:04.139 Sam Roberts: Yeah, I think…
120 00:16:04.270 ⇒ 00:16:08.339 Sam Roberts: I mean, maybe, yeah, picking people might be good, but I think you could probably get
121 00:16:08.820 ⇒ 00:16:13.679 Sam Roberts: more volunteers, if there’s a little more heads up, because I think Casey was just kinda…
122 00:16:14.090 ⇒ 00:16:17.170 Sam Roberts: volunteering, like, the day before or something, and so I feel like…
123 00:16:17.530 ⇒ 00:16:19.670 Sam Roberts: If there’s a little more, like…
124 00:16:20.480 ⇒ 00:16:23.429 Sam Roberts: Yeah, heads up, I don’t know, I mean, I don’t know how….
125 00:16:23.430 ⇒ 00:16:24.189 Awaish Kumar: Don’t share this.
126 00:16:24.190 ⇒ 00:16:24.760 Sam Roberts: it.
127 00:16:26.130 ⇒ 00:16:28.909 Awaish Kumar: Yeah, the message was shared, like, quite a…
128 00:16:29.650 ⇒ 00:16:34.299 Awaish Kumar: quite a few days before, like, on Monday, and the session was on Thursday, but…
129 00:16:34.530 ⇒ 00:16:37.880 Awaish Kumar: It’s like, for volunteers, we don’t have a…
130 00:16:38.420 ⇒ 00:16:42.039 Awaish Kumar: decision until last moment, like, someone has to….
131 00:16:42.740 ⇒ 00:16:51.340 Sam Roberts: Yeah, I mean, I think either… either it’s, like, getting a calendar going, where, like, people know, okay, this is gonna be my week to do something.
132 00:16:51.340 ⇒ 00:16:51.790 Awaish Kumar: No.
133 00:16:51.790 ⇒ 00:17:00.179 Sam Roberts: Whether or not that’s, like, volunteers go first, and then it’s just, like, round robin kind of thing, or just randomly set up a calendar and…
134 00:17:01.380 ⇒ 00:17:09.199 Sam Roberts: if people can’t do something because, you know, certain weeks, rearrange it. But I think, heads up for people to, like, plan that.
135 00:17:09.700 ⇒ 00:17:14.680 Sam Roberts: is probably a good thing, because you can get more out of it then.
136 00:17:15.630 ⇒ 00:17:17.319 Sam Roberts: I mean, I guess I…
137 00:17:17.450 ⇒ 00:17:24.860 Sam Roberts: I… I… I mean, Casey seemed to do a decent job, like, for what he had, you know, set up. I’m wondering, like, what is the…
138 00:17:25.060 ⇒ 00:17:29.509 Sam Roberts: like… Is it really… is it just showing off different…
139 00:17:29.850 ⇒ 00:17:35.440 Sam Roberts: ways we’re using AI, or whoever’s using it in different ways. Is that, like… or is it more of a…
140 00:17:35.780 ⇒ 00:17:38.670 Sam Roberts: like… Discussion kind of thing.
141 00:17:38.860 ⇒ 00:17:40.050 Sam Roberts: No problem.
142 00:17:41.220 ⇒ 00:17:42.100 Sam Roberts: ….
143 00:17:43.190 ⇒ 00:17:55.699 Awaish Kumar: Yes, it’s like, I think, … we’re kind of… Creating some collaboration between, between the teams.
144 00:17:56.140 ⇒ 00:17:58.320 Awaish Kumar: Yeah. Okay. So…
145 00:17:58.700 ⇒ 00:18:04.900 Awaish Kumar: kind of a team-building activity. It can be thought of as a team-building activity, where we
146 00:18:05.180 ⇒ 00:18:13.010 Awaish Kumar: where each person is going to come and share, like, a data person can come in, share how he uses AI in Israeli work, or…
147 00:18:13.500 ⇒ 00:18:16.069 Awaish Kumar: Some tool he has learned recently.
148 00:18:16.670 ⇒ 00:18:23.229 Awaish Kumar: something nice on a data AI side. Similarly, for AI teams, they can also share
149 00:18:23.570 ⇒ 00:18:28.040 Awaish Kumar: AI uses, but, like, in the starting, it’s more like.
150 00:18:28.550 ⇒ 00:18:33.110 Awaish Kumar: Having use cases, case studies, and things like that.
151 00:18:33.610 ⇒ 00:18:38.779 Awaish Kumar: But then it can become more technical, like, because at the end, we are all engineers, like.
152 00:18:39.020 ⇒ 00:18:43.369 Awaish Kumar: After a few sessions, when we all… all have some kind of, …
153 00:18:44.220 ⇒ 00:18:51.430 Awaish Kumar: Developed some kind of, like, what do you say, like, …
154 00:18:52.640 ⇒ 00:18:56.980 Awaish Kumar: Like, when we, like, all know each other and have developed a.
155 00:18:56.980 ⇒ 00:18:58.950 Sam Roberts: Yeah, yes, yes, definitely.
156 00:18:59.610 ⇒ 00:19:00.730 Sam Roberts: But the more we do it.
157 00:19:00.980 ⇒ 00:19:04.099 Awaish Kumar: Then we can get more into details, like our technical.
158 00:19:04.100 ⇒ 00:19:07.460 Sam Roberts: I think so, too. I would say, …
159 00:19:07.990 ⇒ 00:19:14.800 Sam Roberts: definitely, like, worth still doing. I think that is a good thing to build, especially for, like, a remote team with, like, multiple
160 00:19:14.900 ⇒ 00:19:29.500 Sam Roberts: you know, different departments and things, like, you would want to do that. That’s important. I think the way to probably do it is maybe set up a schedule, set up a calendar for, like, okay, so-and-so’s gonna get this one, so-and-so’s got this week, you know, if for some reason
161 00:19:29.560 ⇒ 00:19:35.650 Sam Roberts: you know, obviously, like, it’s not as high priority as, like, other work, I would say, but, like, if someone needs to move for something, like.
162 00:19:36.140 ⇒ 00:19:44.139 Sam Roberts: Allow that, but make sure that, like, every one of those sessions has someone assigned, you know, with enough advance notice that
163 00:19:44.610 ⇒ 00:19:47.790 Sam Roberts: … there’s no excuse, you know what I mean? Like…
164 00:19:49.920 ⇒ 00:19:54.890 Sam Roberts: Monday and Thursday’s great, I get that, but I’m just like, it was also just like, you know, we hadn’t done one yet, and so I don’t want to throw too much on…
165 00:19:55.020 ⇒ 00:19:57.780 Sam Roberts: on that, but I think if it’s, like.
166 00:19:57.940 ⇒ 00:20:06.480 Sam Roberts: the way we’ve done things like that in the past with, like, we did, like, lunch and learn kind of things, where it was like, okay, everyone knew who was doing it well in advance,
167 00:20:07.300 ⇒ 00:20:16.020 Sam Roberts: And I think that can help that kind of awkwardness, maybe. But I think you’re also right. The more we do them, the more comfortable we become with each other.
168 00:20:16.240 ⇒ 00:20:20.430 Sam Roberts: The more, kind of, good discussions we’ll have, and… …
169 00:20:20.980 ⇒ 00:20:23.529 Sam Roberts: I, I think… I think they’re good ideas, yeah.
170 00:20:27.030 ⇒ 00:20:27.950 Sam Roberts: …
171 00:20:31.650 ⇒ 00:20:32.350 Sam Roberts: Yes.
172 00:21:01.670 ⇒ 00:21:07.239 Sam Roberts: So are we thinking we’ll do those, like, Every other, or every week?
173 00:21:09.110 ⇒ 00:21:10.220 Sam Roberts: How are we thinking?
174 00:21:12.150 ⇒ 00:21:15.100 Awaish Kumar: I’m gonna start with probably… For now.
175 00:21:15.100 ⇒ 00:21:15.680 Sam Roberts: Okay.
176 00:21:17.080 ⇒ 00:21:19.090 Awaish Kumar: It’s just one person, one hour.
177 00:21:19.880 ⇒ 00:21:24.280 Sam Roberts: Yeah, no, I think it’s fine. I think we’ll get through a lot more. I just wanted to make sure that was the plan.
178 00:21:37.640 ⇒ 00:21:38.370 Sam Roberts: Great.
179 00:21:52.950 ⇒ 00:21:53.929 Sam Roberts: Let me just look back.
180 00:21:54.100 ⇒ 00:21:54.919 Sam Roberts: So we have…
181 00:22:06.910 ⇒ 00:22:11.740 Sam Roberts: Yeah, I’m happy to take that if you want me to just make a quick, like… Notion docs.
182 00:22:12.720 ⇒ 00:22:17.849 Sam Roberts: With everyone’s name for, like, the next however many weeks there is for people in that meeting.
183 00:22:21.070 ⇒ 00:22:22.690 Awaish Kumar: Okay, that would be nice.
184 00:22:23.090 ⇒ 00:22:24.579 Sam Roberts: Yeah, that’s totally fine.
185 00:22:24.950 ⇒ 00:22:28.659 Sam Roberts: That… just all the people that were invited to that last event.
186 00:22:28.800 ⇒ 00:22:30.290 Sam Roberts: On the calendar, as well.
187 00:22:30.600 ⇒ 00:22:32.080 Awaish Kumar: Okay, I will just say….
188 00:22:33.380 ⇒ 00:22:34.260 Sam Roberts: Yeah, perfect.
189 00:22:36.920 ⇒ 00:22:43.909 Sam Roberts: I just want to make sure that list… I’m still, you know, getting my bearings on who’s who here, but this… the invites to that event, is that…
190 00:22:44.150 ⇒ 00:22:45.940 Sam Roberts: who I should schedule.
191 00:22:47.950 ⇒ 00:22:48.929 Sam Roberts: From last week.
192 00:22:53.110 ⇒ 00:22:54.470 Sam Roberts: Yeah, cool.
193 00:23:00.770 ⇒ 00:23:01.970 Sam Roberts: Cool, I’ll get back on.
194 00:25:36.800 ⇒ 00:25:37.779 Uttam Kumaran: Hey guys, sorry.
195 00:25:41.160 ⇒ 00:25:42.480 Sam Roberts: You’re good.
196 00:25:47.630 ⇒ 00:25:50.290 Sam Roberts: Okay, so that’s why… Oh, yeah, go ahead.
197 00:25:50.290 ⇒ 00:25:52.769 Awaish Kumar: Yeah, for the engineering session, like, we have…
198 00:25:53.120 ⇒ 00:25:59.720 Awaish Kumar: Sam is going to on, setting up… setting up the meeting, and… Selecting the next question.
199 00:26:01.220 ⇒ 00:26:01.840 Uttam Kumaran: Okay.
200 00:26:02.520 ⇒ 00:26:07.909 Sam Roberts: And I think I’m gonna, like, set it up so that people know, you know, who the next few will be.
201 00:26:08.150 ⇒ 00:26:10.750 Sam Roberts: Just so that there’s not, like, any…
202 00:26:10.890 ⇒ 00:26:13.650 Sam Roberts: Scrambling or anything every week. …
203 00:26:14.630 ⇒ 00:26:20.999 Sam Roberts: And then if for some reason someone needs to change it, I’ll be flexible, but, like, enough that, you know, someone knows to have something prepped.
204 00:26:22.410 ⇒ 00:26:23.140 Uttam Kumaran: Okay.
205 00:26:25.080 ⇒ 00:26:31.640 Awaish Kumar: And then for… Like, for the metaplane stuff, like, he needs to be maintained.
206 00:26:32.190 ⇒ 00:26:42.830 Awaish Kumar: So… And the only… the process which I found out, like, which, like, Is being, …
207 00:26:43.230 ⇒ 00:26:46.650 Awaish Kumar: Ghanaian companies is, like, having the kind of data
208 00:26:46.880 ⇒ 00:26:50.179 Awaish Kumar: Issues Tracker, you know, work tracker sheet, where
209 00:26:50.750 ⇒ 00:26:52.849 Awaish Kumar: Although we have linear, where we…
210 00:26:53.000 ⇒ 00:26:59.060 Awaish Kumar: Create tickets for all data tools, but that’s not a, like, Streamlined way to monitor
211 00:26:59.250 ⇒ 00:27:01.850 Awaish Kumar: How… which data issues are coming up?
212 00:27:02.390 ⇒ 00:27:06.159 Awaish Kumar: So, like, I know, like, one of the comments you mentioned.
213 00:27:06.820 ⇒ 00:27:14.559 Awaish Kumar: below was to, like, watch them again on it. So, like, moving from sheet to Metaplane, yeah.
214 00:27:14.690 ⇒ 00:27:20.360 Awaish Kumar: Vashtim can on that part, but the other part is, like, …
215 00:27:20.880 ⇒ 00:27:27.330 Awaish Kumar: When the data issue comes, and … who is responsible for adding… building that sheet, right?
216 00:27:29.000 ⇒ 00:27:35.099 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, but I guess this is where, like, I think I would push back in that it should end up in linear, and we should just decide on, like.
217 00:27:35.730 ⇒ 00:27:41.020 Uttam Kumaran: how we’re gonna label it. Like, if we’re gonna label it as a bug, Man.
218 00:27:42.390 ⇒ 00:27:45.270 Uttam Kumaran: That’s how I… I would prefer it to end up in linear.
219 00:27:46.260 ⇒ 00:27:51.590 Awaish Kumar: Okay, well, like, like, in the… Oh, yeah, like…
220 00:27:52.840 ⇒ 00:27:58.040 Awaish Kumar: It can be linear as well, like, we can have… create different labels and custom fields.
221 00:27:58.400 ⇒ 00:28:00.369 Awaish Kumar: concrete a view, yeah.
222 00:28:02.520 ⇒ 00:28:08.350 Uttam Kumaran: Well, mainly it’s, like, it’s just going to triage, and then… for me, I guess my point is that, like.
223 00:28:08.570 ⇒ 00:28:12.700 Uttam Kumaran: We have a lot of clients where data observability is important, but
224 00:28:13.220 ⇒ 00:28:18.549 Uttam Kumaran: I just… I do agree that I want one person to be sort of the owner for…
225 00:28:18.760 ⇒ 00:28:20.669 Uttam Kumaran: Data accuracy and quality.
226 00:28:21.530 ⇒ 00:28:27.309 Uttam Kumaran: And I do think that, like, apart from me and you, the only… it’s kind of a data engineering
227 00:28:28.010 ⇒ 00:28:28.980 Uttam Kumaran: Bang.
228 00:28:30.260 ⇒ 00:28:39.730 Uttam Kumaran: Right? Like, I feel like it has to be that type of person, and I think that person should own Metaplane. Like, until we have a couple more people for data engineering.
229 00:28:40.430 ⇒ 00:28:45.209 Uttam Kumaran: I feel like it has to be one of the three of us, because it doesn’t seem like anyone else is able to do it.
230 00:28:45.740 ⇒ 00:28:48.609 Awaish Kumar: Yeah, but I’m… I’m thinking of…
231 00:28:48.900 ⇒ 00:28:53.890 Awaish Kumar: Like, the process, like, how, like… If, for example, like.
232 00:28:54.590 ⇒ 00:28:59.289 Awaish Kumar: who is responsible for creating, like, for example, it should be PM,
233 00:29:00.130 ⇒ 00:29:04.530 Awaish Kumar: Basically, all the data issues, she should market them as
234 00:29:04.870 ⇒ 00:29:07.409 Awaish Kumar: Accurately as bugs or something, and then….
235 00:29:07.410 ⇒ 00:29:08.110 Uttam Kumaran: Yes.
236 00:29:08.430 ⇒ 00:29:11.350 Awaish Kumar: For each client client, when we…
237 00:29:12.010 ⇒ 00:29:15.159 Awaish Kumar: Maybe we can see a view in linear.
238 00:29:15.850 ⇒ 00:29:18.370 Awaish Kumar: And then Pashtiv can, then, like.
239 00:29:19.310 ⇒ 00:29:27.449 Awaish Kumar: run them into some tests in Metaplane, if needed, if we know that there are some critical data issues, and they keep stumbling in.
240 00:29:27.790 ⇒ 00:29:29.580 Awaish Kumar: We can try to numb them.
241 00:29:29.780 ⇒ 00:29:37.310 Awaish Kumar: put them in a, like, Metaplane and… track them, so, like, Okay, …
242 00:29:44.140 ⇒ 00:29:50.270 Awaish Kumar: So, like, what’d you say, PM through on… Fantastic.
243 00:29:50.270 ⇒ 00:29:58.520 Uttam Kumaran: own creation of data issues, I think… can we also say we should create, like, a label called, like.
244 00:29:58.940 ⇒ 00:30:00.590 Uttam Kumaran: maybe data issue?
245 00:30:04.690 ⇒ 00:30:13.250 Uttam Kumaran: And then we can also create a view in linear across all teams that are just tickets with a data issue label.
246 00:30:15.730 ⇒ 00:30:19.160 Uttam Kumaran: I also want Boschstep to start to run… create runbooks.
247 00:30:20.280 ⇒ 00:30:22.759 Uttam Kumaran: Like, how do you diagnose a data issue?
248 00:30:25.620 ⇒ 00:30:31.110 Uttam Kumaran: what are the next steps? And then, certainly, I think he could own the creation, like.
249 00:30:31.290 ⇒ 00:30:34.310 Uttam Kumaran: basically create, like, certainly own Metaplane.
250 00:30:35.170 ⇒ 00:30:37.329 Uttam Kumaran: And I have, I have some…
251 00:30:41.380 ⇒ 00:30:48.199 Uttam Kumaran: I have some, … notes on that. Like, I have some expectations for that, so that’s fine.
252 00:30:50.110 ⇒ 00:30:51.560 Awaish Kumar: Okay, …
253 00:31:20.890 ⇒ 00:31:25.590 Awaish Kumar: Okay, then, the last thing is about remote. We…
254 00:31:25.990 ⇒ 00:31:29.079 Awaish Kumar: So, I got approval from Robert to send a…
255 00:31:29.910 ⇒ 00:31:34.560 Awaish Kumar: the message to Ramo Team and get more information on that.
256 00:31:34.760 ⇒ 00:31:36.870 Awaish Kumar: And then maybe send it to…
257 00:31:37.440 ⇒ 00:31:40.950 Awaish Kumar: Surf and get a more detailed proposal from Surf.
258 00:31:41.120 ⇒ 00:31:48.110 Awaish Kumar: And in the meantime, Robert will be sending one-page proposal, to…
259 00:31:48.770 ⇒ 00:31:50.560 Awaish Kumar: to remove, to start some projects.
260 00:31:50.560 ⇒ 00:31:51.280 Uttam Kumaran: Okay.
261 00:31:53.290 ⇒ 00:31:56.009 Uttam Kumaran: So, any… anything we need from us?
262 00:31:58.180 ⇒ 00:32:01.849 Awaish Kumar: … Like, from us, like, …
263 00:32:02.200 ⇒ 00:32:04.500 Awaish Kumar: I have to collect information from Remo.
264 00:32:04.860 ⇒ 00:32:08.940 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, I mean, but my suggestion would be see if you could just get everyone on the phone.
265 00:32:11.640 ⇒ 00:32:16.760 Uttam Kumaran: Like, if you can get surfed, Remo Team, just, like… Yeah.
266 00:32:16.760 ⇒ 00:32:17.240 Awaish Kumar: Okay.
267 00:32:17.240 ⇒ 00:32:17.770 Uttam Kumaran: I bet.
268 00:32:17.770 ⇒ 00:32:18.470 Awaish Kumar: So, like, what?
269 00:32:18.470 ⇒ 00:32:21.239 Uttam Kumaran: I’d say, versus… because otherwise it’s going to be telephone, you know?
270 00:32:22.120 ⇒ 00:32:28.100 Awaish Kumar: But that… should that be before the proposal? Like, Robert hasn’t signed any proposal yet.
271 00:32:31.930 ⇒ 00:32:36.599 Uttam Kumaran: Okay, we can also talk about this next meeting, but yeah, I mean, I think from our side.
272 00:32:37.050 ⇒ 00:32:40.379 Uttam Kumaran: You need to just get… Surf on the phone with them.
273 00:32:40.920 ⇒ 00:32:41.980 Uttam Kumaran: And then
274 00:32:42.890 ⇒ 00:32:47.499 Uttam Kumaran: We’re probably good, but, like, if you want to wait until they sign to do that, that’s also fine.
275 00:32:51.080 ⇒ 00:32:53.250 Awaish Kumar: Okay, we can finalize it in the next…
276 00:32:56.920 ⇒ 00:33:02.009 Awaish Kumar: … You can own any, we have a next session on Tuesday.
277 00:33:02.540 ⇒ 00:33:09.649 Awaish Kumar: And then… after that, maybe I can… Get… get some….
278 00:33:10.870 ⇒ 00:33:15.560 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, how did… yeah, okay. So yeah, I’m… I think maybe I will, …
279 00:33:17.710 ⇒ 00:33:24.010 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, after Tuesday’s session, let’s decide whether it’s, like, worthwhile or not.
280 00:33:24.270 ⇒ 00:33:28.680 Uttam Kumaran: Tell me about, like, tell me about how… what was your chat with Kayo?
281 00:33:30.760 ⇒ 00:33:41.530 Awaish Kumar: Yeah, with Kayo, like, … yeah, things were more like he kind of… Felt, like, lost.
282 00:33:41.710 ⇒ 00:33:46.140 Awaish Kumar: And then all that information, And, ….
283 00:33:46.140 ⇒ 00:33:47.460 Uttam Kumaran: What information?
284 00:33:47.460 ⇒ 00:33:51.270 Awaish Kumar: Like, for example, we had an urban stems issue.
285 00:33:52.250 ⇒ 00:33:56.520 Awaish Kumar: like, for the Urban Stern’s task, like, he said, like.
286 00:33:56.650 ⇒ 00:34:00.929 Awaish Kumar: He got a bunch of information, and then tried to execute without…
287 00:34:01.130 ⇒ 00:34:05.370 Awaish Kumar: Like, didn’t… didn’t know, like, when to escalate or things like that.
288 00:34:06.280 ⇒ 00:34:07.770 Awaish Kumar: I’m going to ask for help.
289 00:34:10.850 ⇒ 00:34:17.560 Uttam Kumaran: I mean, does any of his… like, are any of those concerns, like, valid? Like, what does that mean? I just… I just feel like he’s, like…
290 00:34:18.840 ⇒ 00:34:28.420 Uttam Kumaran: everything, whenever we bring up something, it’s, like, an issue, you know? It’s, like, too complicated, or… I mean, you basically said, like, I don’t have the expertise to do some of this stuff, which…
291 00:34:28.850 ⇒ 00:34:35.699 Uttam Kumaran: It’s, like, fine, but it’s also not, like, a great thing to sort of, like, lead with… …
292 00:34:36.920 ⇒ 00:34:40.830 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah. What I got mostly from him was, like,
293 00:34:40.900 ⇒ 00:34:44.579 Awaish Kumar: He was okay with the being here and kind of…
294 00:34:45.469 ⇒ 00:34:50.299 Awaish Kumar: Like, he said, he has learned a lot of dbt analysis.
295 00:34:50.480 ⇒ 00:34:52.809 Awaish Kumar: His work, and then,
296 00:34:53.060 ⇒ 00:35:00.299 Awaish Kumar: it was… I think we need… maybe have some guiding principles as a company, like when to escalate, or…
297 00:35:01.040 ⇒ 00:35:06.070 Awaish Kumar: Like, if, if I… Task exceeds, like, if a…
298 00:35:06.730 ⇒ 00:35:12.210 Awaish Kumar: Like, exceeds the estimated time for, like, more than 2-3 hours.
299 00:35:12.670 ⇒ 00:35:14.960 Awaish Kumar: Escalate it, things like that.
300 00:35:18.020 ⇒ 00:35:22.920 Uttam Kumaran: I mean, I’m down for that, but, like, I would say, like, I would ask him to…
301 00:35:23.320 ⇒ 00:35:25.990 Uttam Kumaran: I would ask him to help build that, or…
302 00:35:26.320 ⇒ 00:35:34.619 Uttam Kumaran: I mean, or, like, we should… we should basically… I guess my question would be, should we do a meeting on that, that maybe you guys can lead?
303 00:35:35.030 ⇒ 00:35:39.770 Uttam Kumaran: and start to think about, like, how to best do that. Like, this is something I think I’d probably push
304 00:35:40.020 ⇒ 00:35:47.229 Uttam Kumaran: back onto you and Sam, and Sam, you’ll start to get a sense of this, but basically, I think some of the team members just don’t know when to escalate.
305 00:35:47.620 ⇒ 00:35:53.380 Uttam Kumaran: And because we’re in a remote company, I think some people… it’s like, it’s an engineering habit just to kind of, like.
306 00:35:53.500 ⇒ 00:35:55.050 Uttam Kumaran: Keep toiling away.
307 00:35:55.250 ⇒ 00:35:56.110 Sam Roberts: Yeah.
308 00:35:56.110 ⇒ 00:36:01.520 Uttam Kumaran: for days and days, without… I mean, the answer is probably, like, one Slack message away.
309 00:36:02.390 ⇒ 00:36:04.770 Uttam Kumaran: I think that’s roughly the problem here.
310 00:36:07.600 ⇒ 00:36:13.130 Awaish Kumar: Yeah. Like, it’s also the, like, fear of… Praise.
311 00:36:13.700 ⇒ 00:36:15.820 Awaish Kumar: Don’t, like, don’t know, like, maybe it’s…
312 00:36:16.100 ⇒ 00:36:22.960 Awaish Kumar: If something is really, very easy, and you’re not able to sort it, then it’s fear of, like, asking…
313 00:36:23.650 ⇒ 00:36:24.779 Awaish Kumar: Can this happen?
314 00:36:24.780 ⇒ 00:36:30.409 Uttam Kumaran: But, like, that’s what I want to break, like, we can’t have that. Like, I don’t want people to feel fear, because…
315 00:36:30.750 ⇒ 00:36:33.859 Uttam Kumaran: They’re so ego, like, we just want to help, you know?
316 00:36:34.660 ⇒ 00:36:35.490 Awaish Kumar: Yup.
317 00:36:39.290 ⇒ 00:36:44.380 Awaish Kumar: Yeah, we can maybe… Research more than it, and create some, like.
318 00:36:44.790 ⇒ 00:36:50.400 Awaish Kumar: Guidelines, like, and share it, like, with everybody in a… In engineering, like….
319 00:36:54.800 ⇒ 00:37:04.859 Uttam Kumaran: I’m down, I mean, I’m down to… like, I guess what I would say is, like, I would encourage, if you guys want to run a session and get… and start to come up with an outcome that everybody can contribute to.
320 00:37:05.740 ⇒ 00:37:07.590 Uttam Kumaran: Like, I’m a fan of that.
321 00:37:09.610 ⇒ 00:37:11.150 Awaish Kumar: Okay, yeah, sure.
322 00:37:12.560 ⇒ 00:37:16.360 Awaish Kumar: I’m planning to have one more session when he’s back, right?
323 00:37:17.830 ⇒ 00:37:22.039 Awaish Kumar: To get more, like, the first one was more, like, me.
324 00:37:22.220 ⇒ 00:37:24.989 Awaish Kumar: talking, and so I will just let him speak.
325 00:37:26.740 ⇒ 00:37:29.370 Awaish Kumar: And get more sense of what’s happening, yep.
326 00:37:33.610 ⇒ 00:37:34.770 Awaish Kumar: Hmm…
327 00:38:09.520 ⇒ 00:38:10.560 Awaish Kumar: God.
328 00:38:11.870 ⇒ 00:38:20.690 Awaish Kumar: For me, that… That was it, and yeah, I think, I don’t know who… who added this.
329 00:38:20.960 ⇒ 00:38:23.280 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, I think I have, …
330 00:38:24.130 ⇒ 00:38:31.769 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, I think probably incident is there’s this failing DBT job for urban stems that’s, like, an example of something that
331 00:38:32.100 ⇒ 00:38:34.270 Uttam Kumaran: Didn’t get resolved until today.
332 00:38:34.720 ⇒ 00:38:39.330 Uttam Kumaran: So I just… I guess that’s what I would… I just want to kind of mention here any….
333 00:38:42.350 ⇒ 00:38:45.449 Awaish Kumar: Did we have any alert for that?
334 00:38:48.930 ⇒ 00:38:55.460 Uttam Kumaran: We did have an alert to Slack, but, like, nobody took it, and I started looking at it, and I think Demolade looked at it today, but…
335 00:38:55.970 ⇒ 00:38:59.719 Uttam Kumaran: Again, there was no, like, escalation process for that.
336 00:39:05.710 ⇒ 00:39:06.290 Awaish Kumar: Okay.
337 00:39:07.460 ⇒ 00:39:09.249 Awaish Kumar: Do they come in this channel?
338 00:39:12.840 ⇒ 00:39:19.469 Awaish Kumar: Okay, like this. GitHub DPD job failures, or do they come to, like, client error times?
339 00:39:19.960 ⇒ 00:39:20.920 Awaish Kumar: Channel?
340 00:39:27.250 ⇒ 00:39:30.390 Uttam Kumaran: It just… it’s going into the Urban Sems channel right now.
341 00:39:33.460 ⇒ 00:39:34.710 Awaish Kumar: Okay, I…
342 00:39:34.970 ⇒ 00:39:41.860 Awaish Kumar: like, for Idan, like, it’s either me or Damilare, like, if it comes in, like, one of us…
343 00:39:43.150 ⇒ 00:39:43.909 Awaish Kumar: I don’t know.
344 00:39:45.880 ⇒ 00:39:52.930 Awaish Kumar: Checks it? Yeah, you mean, like, nobody notices on… on weekend, or it’s more like… Nobody…
345 00:39:54.190 ⇒ 00:39:58.260 Awaish Kumar: Took a note, … On the, like, weekdays.
346 00:40:03.920 ⇒ 00:40:08.030 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, I guess… I guess I just wanted to list out, like, what one of the…
347 00:40:08.390 ⇒ 00:40:10.689 Uttam Kumaran: Problems was that came up this week, but…
348 00:40:10.840 ⇒ 00:40:15.940 Uttam Kumaran: again, I think if you guys are… if you guys are talking to the team, that could be also something to bring up, or like…
349 00:40:16.530 ⇒ 00:40:21.010 Uttam Kumaran: for Vashdev to own, like, all the alerting and everything kind of gets sent into one area.
350 00:40:23.360 ⇒ 00:40:25.069 Awaish Kumar: Yeah, but, like, I’m on a…
351 00:40:25.220 ⇒ 00:40:27.060 Awaish Kumar: I just wanted to know, like, if…
352 00:40:27.340 ⇒ 00:40:33.240 Awaish Kumar: what is the plan for weekends? Like, if something fails on weekends, does some… someone has to look into it, or…?
353 00:40:33.780 ⇒ 00:40:42.090 Uttam Kumaran: No, no, no, not necessarily, but, … Still, like, nobody on that… On that, client, like…
354 00:40:43.000 ⇒ 00:40:45.660 Uttam Kumaran: addressed it at all. Except for me.
355 00:40:46.060 ⇒ 00:40:46.740 Awaish Kumar: Okay.
356 00:40:48.860 ⇒ 00:40:50.280 Uttam Kumaran: So I think in terms of necks.
357 00:40:50.650 ⇒ 00:40:54.349 Uttam Kumaran: Action items, too. I was also gonna ask about, …
358 00:40:55.450 ⇒ 00:41:05.610 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, Sam, like, just tapping into Interlude Default and Insomnia work streams, like, how do you feel after being in some of the meetings today, and, like, how can we
359 00:41:06.120 ⇒ 00:41:09.200 Uttam Kumaran: You know, sort of support that, or maybe we have some…
360 00:41:09.490 ⇒ 00:41:13.190 Uttam Kumaran: Sort of joint deliverables there, but just open to your thoughts.
361 00:41:13.990 ⇒ 00:41:15.180 Sam Roberts: Yeah, …
362 00:41:16.170 ⇒ 00:41:23.080 Sam Roberts: I mean, I feel a little… still, like, out of the loop, I’m not sure. I think I was a little late to that first meeting, a little fresh, but I…
363 00:41:23.230 ⇒ 00:41:28.539 Sam Roberts: I guess I’m… I’m happy to, like…
364 00:41:29.310 ⇒ 00:41:39.059 Sam Roberts: step up into those. I just don’t know, like… is there, like, an order? Like, is there one you really want to, like, more than others that I should be, like, focused on? Is there… or do you just want me to, like….
365 00:41:40.660 ⇒ 00:41:41.389 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, I mean, I….
366 00:41:41.390 ⇒ 00:41:43.020 Sam Roberts: Like, what is it your… I guess.
367 00:41:43.020 ⇒ 00:41:53.990 Uttam Kumaran: Interlude and insomnia, I think, are more isolated, and it’s, like, a lot easier to understand. I think if I was to explain, like, what I need help with.
368 00:41:54.150 ⇒ 00:41:56.209 Uttam Kumaran: One is, like.
369 00:41:56.790 ⇒ 00:42:07.580 Uttam Kumaran: like, grooming tickets for, like, for what… and basically, Mustafa can handle the work for those. So one is just, like, working with the project manager on that account.
370 00:42:07.800 ⇒ 00:42:16.740 Uttam Kumaran: To, like, for example, we’re gonna have another interlude meeting this week. There was a meeting last week that we had with some clear action items, but…
371 00:42:16.960 ⇒ 00:42:26.829 Uttam Kumaran: Giselle has yet to create those in the tickets. I’m not sure whether she can do that without, sort of, the technical context. So one is, like, just going and watching those past
372 00:42:27.020 ⇒ 00:42:30.389 Uttam Kumaran: Meetings, and then, yeah, basically being, like, the…
373 00:42:30.490 ⇒ 00:42:48.590 Uttam Kumaran: like, okay, cool, this is… I understand what the scope of the work is for this client, here are the tickets that are… basically that, if you were to get these done, would accomplish the outcome, and just basically being the primary owner of those tasks, which in our world is, like, that’s typical of, like, the solutions architect.
374 00:42:48.880 ⇒ 00:42:54.789 Uttam Kumaran: or the tech lead is, like, basically you’re the partner with the project manager. The PM is the one who’s gonna be on the hook of
375 00:42:54.990 ⇒ 00:43:03.410 Uttam Kumaran: what gets done when, like, the order of operations, but certainly they need help on, like, what is the contents of the ticket, you know?
376 00:43:04.080 ⇒ 00:43:05.340 Sam Roberts: Yeah, okay.
377 00:43:05.650 ⇒ 00:43:19.559 Sam Roberts: Yeah, I feel pretty good. I mean, Insomnia… I was on that with, Amber and stuff the other day, so I can probably step into that pretty well. Interlude, I will definitely have to go back through, some of the old stuff and get a better sense of, but…
378 00:43:19.840 ⇒ 00:43:22.459 Sam Roberts: Happy to… yeah, I mean…
379 00:43:22.890 ⇒ 00:43:25.670 Sam Roberts: I don’t know if I’m on… Let’s see…
380 00:43:26.190 ⇒ 00:43:29.670 Sam Roberts: Yeah, so there’s an ABC Data Insomnia stand-up that I’m in.
381 00:43:30.000 ⇒ 00:43:32.070 Sam Roberts: Now, I think Casey added me to this one.
382 00:43:32.070 ⇒ 00:43:35.099 Uttam Kumaran: have one for Interlude yet.
383 00:43:35.480 ⇒ 00:43:36.160 Sam Roberts: Okay.
384 00:43:36.280 ⇒ 00:43:38.290 Sam Roberts: That’s what you’re saying, the joke.
385 00:43:38.290 ⇒ 00:43:44.380 Uttam Kumaran: been calling Mustafa kind of randomly, so that’s what, like, the PM, which I think is going to be Rico.
386 00:43:44.880 ⇒ 00:43:45.220 Sam Roberts: Okay.
387 00:43:45.220 ⇒ 00:43:48.830 Uttam Kumaran: Start to put together Like, the rituals for that?
388 00:43:49.200 ⇒ 00:43:55.340 Uttam Kumaran: But there is a… we’ve talked… we spent, like, kind of already, like, a few hours on the phone, so all those recordings are in the platform.
389 00:43:55.340 ⇒ 00:43:58.529 Sam Roberts: Yeah. Okay, yeah, that’s exactly what I’ll jump into, and then….
390 00:43:58.530 ⇒ 00:44:08.729 Uttam Kumaran: And Mustafa knows the scope, so I think, really, it’s like, for me, my job on there now is, one, like, we talk to the client. I’m so happy to do the client presentation, I don’t mind, that’s easy.
391 00:44:08.730 ⇒ 00:44:11.320 Sam Roberts: And then there’s, like, there’s action items that come out of that, right?
392 00:44:11.320 ⇒ 00:44:12.580 Uttam Kumaran: So, making sure that
393 00:44:13.150 ⇒ 00:44:22.520 Uttam Kumaran: those get put into linear, and so that’s a combination of you and the PM. And then also, like, escalations, like, Mustafa will be like, hey, like, I have to make a trade-off in, like, one of the…
394 00:44:22.840 ⇒ 00:44:26.870 Uttam Kumaran: like, the things I’m… one of the things I’m working on, like, which way should I go?
395 00:44:27.350 ⇒ 00:44:30.570 Uttam Kumaran: It would be great if you’re the first line of escalation for those.
396 00:44:31.450 ⇒ 00:44:32.770 Sam Roberts: Yeah, yeah, I….
397 00:44:33.230 ⇒ 00:44:37.049 Uttam Kumaran: I’m not going anywhere. I mean, I still read everything that happens at Slack, so I’m not going anywhere.
398 00:44:37.050 ⇒ 00:44:40.040 Sam Roberts: Of course. Yeah, no, I think it’s just, yeah, I, I, as I.
399 00:44:40.040 ⇒ 00:44:41.050 Uttam Kumaran: For me, it’s just like….
400 00:44:41.050 ⇒ 00:44:41.420 Sam Roberts: They’re in the.
401 00:44:41.420 ⇒ 00:44:45.210 Uttam Kumaran: know that I don’t have to answer, or that I can start to tag you.
402 00:44:45.430 ⇒ 00:44:46.619 Uttam Kumaran: And then we’d sort of…
403 00:44:46.770 ⇒ 00:44:52.329 Uttam Kumaran: transitions, and again, if it is, I don’t know, don’t worry, I’m… well, I can still answer it as soon.
404 00:44:52.840 ⇒ 00:44:54.180 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah. Yeah, yeah.
405 00:44:54.180 ⇒ 00:44:57.920 Sam Roberts: Okay, yeah, I can definitely get, like, caught up into interlude.
406 00:44:58.090 ⇒ 00:45:01.610 Sam Roberts: … like I said, insomnia, I have a decent sense of it, because I was on that
407 00:45:01.790 ⇒ 00:45:03.130 Sam Roberts: Called the other day.
408 00:45:03.370 ⇒ 00:45:08.460 Sam Roberts: So yeah, I think those, I’m happy to, you know, spend my time there.
409 00:45:09.020 ⇒ 00:45:10.890 Sam Roberts: … Cool.
410 00:45:11.220 ⇒ 00:45:16.620 Sam Roberts: reading good with that. You know, obviously, I’ll have questions as I get into it, but… Yeah, I, I…
411 00:45:16.770 ⇒ 00:45:18.710 Sam Roberts: That’s fine. So….
412 00:45:18.710 ⇒ 00:45:20.959 Uttam Kumaran: Probably my expectation next week is, like.
413 00:45:21.360 ⇒ 00:45:24.499 Uttam Kumaran: You’ll probably have some questions for… in this meeting, or…
414 00:45:24.700 ⇒ 00:45:27.629 Uttam Kumaran: If we talk on Thursday, …
415 00:45:27.890 ⇒ 00:45:31.479 Uttam Kumaran: You can write down any questions that we want… all three of us want to discuss.
416 00:45:32.190 ⇒ 00:45:32.949 Sam Roberts: Yeah, I think….
417 00:45:33.620 ⇒ 00:45:34.140 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah.
418 00:45:34.140 ⇒ 00:45:35.129 Sam Roberts: I definitely will by then.
419 00:45:35.670 ⇒ 00:45:36.120 Uttam Kumaran: Whoa.
420 00:45:36.120 ⇒ 00:45:37.749 Sam Roberts: So I’m gonna be now. Okay.
421 00:45:40.180 ⇒ 00:45:42.079 Sam Roberts: Yeah, definitely.
422 00:45:42.630 ⇒ 00:45:44.279 Sam Roberts: Excited to get into wholesome.
423 00:45:45.440 ⇒ 00:45:46.100 Uttam Kumaran: Okay.
424 00:45:46.270 ⇒ 00:45:46.850 Awaish Kumar: Right.
425 00:45:47.770 ⇒ 00:45:50.180 Awaish Kumar: We are at the end of it, but is there anything.
426 00:45:50.180 ⇒ 00:45:54.470 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, I guess my question also, … Oasis…
427 00:45:54.710 ⇒ 00:46:01.030 Uttam Kumaran: For Vashtav, he’s still, like, just part-time, like, how does he feel on time, or, like… …
428 00:46:01.530 ⇒ 00:46:04.640 Uttam Kumaran: is able to get all his work done. I haven’t spoke with him…
429 00:46:05.150 ⇒ 00:46:08.530 Uttam Kumaran: Recently, but I just want to confirm, like, how he’s doing.
430 00:46:09.780 ⇒ 00:46:12.209 Awaish Kumar: Yeah, he’s good at DE work.
431 00:46:12.810 ⇒ 00:46:18.470 Awaish Kumar: He can… if there is something related to Dexter, or pipelines, or things.
432 00:46:18.820 ⇒ 00:46:19.480 Uttam Kumaran: Okay.
433 00:46:19.480 ⇒ 00:46:25.590 Awaish Kumar: You get it done, like, very quickly, but on AE, Said, I, I… I think it’s…
434 00:46:26.730 ⇒ 00:46:30.580 Awaish Kumar: He needs to, like, still learn there.
435 00:46:30.580 ⇒ 00:46:34.930 Uttam Kumaran: Okay, that’s fine. Like, we still have a D… we still have this DE work that needs…
436 00:46:35.810 ⇒ 00:46:37.930 Uttam Kumaran: doing, right? So, that’s fine.
437 00:46:41.210 ⇒ 00:46:44.799 Uttam Kumaran: I do think it would be great for him to own Metaplane and, like.
438 00:46:45.040 ⇒ 00:46:47.950 Uttam Kumaran: Start to own data observability and quality.
439 00:46:49.380 ⇒ 00:46:50.060 Awaish Kumar: Okay.
440 00:46:55.800 ⇒ 00:46:56.360 Uttam Kumaran: Okay.
441 00:46:57.370 ⇒ 00:46:59.559 Uttam Kumaran: Okay, great, how does everyone feel? Like, okay?
442 00:47:01.430 ⇒ 00:47:02.220 Awaish Kumar: Yup.
443 00:47:03.890 ⇒ 00:47:09.650 Sam Roberts: Yeah, the only other thing I had that I put down, was, client hub stuff.
444 00:47:09.990 ⇒ 00:47:10.450 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah.
445 00:47:10.450 ⇒ 00:47:15.780 Sam Roberts: And, like, working on that, like, digging through that recipe, trying to understand that a little bit more, like, how much…
446 00:47:16.170 ⇒ 00:47:23.329 Sam Roberts: do you want me focusing on, like, the automating that? Like, we talked a little… we said, like, not to worry for the other guys to worry too much about, like.
447 00:47:24.350 ⇒ 00:47:26.419 Sam Roberts: You know, platform stuff.
448 00:47:26.780 ⇒ 00:47:28.610 Sam Roberts: this week. ….
449 00:47:28.610 ⇒ 00:47:30.209 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, I mean, this is where, like….
450 00:47:30.210 ⇒ 00:47:31.099 Sam Roberts: that one.
451 00:47:32.050 ⇒ 00:47:32.640 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah.
452 00:47:33.080 ⇒ 00:47:34.680 Uttam Kumaran: I mean, I would say…
453 00:47:35.070 ⇒ 00:47:40.899 Uttam Kumaran: Available time should… you should dedicate it towards the client work and getting up to speed there is, like, priority one.
454 00:47:40.900 ⇒ 00:47:41.460 Sam Roberts: Okay.
455 00:47:41.710 ⇒ 00:47:42.600 Uttam Kumaran: Okay.
456 00:47:42.600 ⇒ 00:47:43.340 Sam Roberts: Cool.
457 00:47:44.040 ⇒ 00:47:52.820 Sam Roberts: Yeah, I guess I saw that on my linear, and I wasn’t sure, like, I know Casey’s doing something with the vectorization that I was going to take a look at later, but I didn’t know if you wanted me to dig into that more.
458 00:47:53.030 ⇒ 00:47:56.110 Sam Roberts: Or not now, but I’ll get up to speed, and that’s fine.
459 00:47:56.110 ⇒ 00:48:04.310 Uttam Kumaran: I think that’s fine, and yeah, tell me if I’ve sort of said… if I’m sort of saying two things at the same time, like, kind of… the other thing I could do is we can start to…
460 00:48:04.460 ⇒ 00:48:19.749 Uttam Kumaran: if, for example, it’s interesting, because we are doing internal work, and we’re doing external work, like, if it’s easier for me to be like, hey, we’re gonna reserve, like, one day a week to do external work, and so don’t do anything until then, like, I can do that. But I’m kind of also curious, because I do…
461 00:48:19.990 ⇒ 00:48:39.830 Uttam Kumaran: I say a lot of things, and we’re trying to do a lot, so I’m kind of… what I’m expecting from both of you is, like, the… okay, what can actually happen? Because I’m always going to just try to get us to get the most stuff done, but I’m interested from… from y’all on, like, what am I missing, or hey, maybe we are overextending, …
462 00:48:39.950 ⇒ 00:48:45.179 Uttam Kumaran: And maybe we just need to, like, say, hey, no internal work this week, purely focused on clients.
463 00:48:45.360 ⇒ 00:48:50.700 Uttam Kumaran: … we could do that. So I think that’s kind of the feedback I’m hoping to get.
464 00:48:51.330 ⇒ 00:49:00.029 Sam Roberts: Okay, yeah, no, I think, I mean, I think at this point, I understand, you know, I get the priority. It was just… it was more like, I know Casey had that one item, and I wanted to make sure that it wasn’t, like.
465 00:49:00.460 ⇒ 00:49:04.299 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, I think for that, he was gonna do it and get a review from you, so I think maybe just wait.
466 00:49:04.300 ⇒ 00:49:08.800 Sam Roberts: Yeah, that’s what I mean, I just wanted to make sure it wasn’t like there were other things with the, kind of, client hub SOP stuff.
467 00:49:09.310 ⇒ 00:49:13.269 Sam Roberts: like, focus-wise, just prioritization. I just wanted to get a sense of where you’re making that.
468 00:49:13.580 ⇒ 00:49:15.550 Sam Roberts: Yeah, no, you’re… you’re fine. I get it.
469 00:49:16.040 ⇒ 00:49:17.210 Uttam Kumaran: Cool, cool.
470 00:49:18.420 ⇒ 00:49:19.190 Awaish Kumar: Okay.
471 00:49:19.870 ⇒ 00:49:20.650 Sam Roberts: Alright.
472 00:49:21.640 ⇒ 00:49:36.549 Uttam Kumaran: Okay, great. So yeah, look forward to chatting again on Thursday. Yeah, I mean, my hope is that the two of you can work together and start to host these, like, engineering excellence sessions with everybody. I mean, I certainly will do my best to attend, and I can totally help set it up and give ideas, but…
473 00:49:36.750 ⇒ 00:49:55.529 Uttam Kumaran: you know, our goal is to level everyone up, and so I do think it’s gonna build camaraderie. I think I was hosting them, you know, Sam, for context, like, last year, you know, when it was just a lot fewer people, I would host weekly, like, engineering, all engineering, all hands, but it just got very busy, but I do think that it’s worthwhile to do, because
474 00:49:55.690 ⇒ 00:50:06.430 Uttam Kumaran: the marketing team meets, sales team meets, PM team meets, but I do think it’d be helpful for the engineering team to meet, but I… I certainly cannot sign myself up to… to sort of lead that, so….
475 00:50:06.730 ⇒ 00:50:20.160 Sam Roberts: Okay, that was actually going to be a question I had, I might as well get it now. Do you, like, as I’m putting together, like, who’s presenting things for, like, you know, the all-engineering stuff, do both of you want to be included in that schedule for the next however many months, or no?
476 00:50:21.410 ⇒ 00:50:25.019 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, you can please add me, and I’ll attend if I can attend.
477 00:50:25.850 ⇒ 00:50:30.079 Sam Roberts: Okay, okay, but you know, I… I was gonna start assigning people for the next, like, however X number of weeks.
478 00:50:30.080 ⇒ 00:50:35.700 Uttam Kumaran: Oh, I would not assign me to… to do… to own it. I will… I could tell you if I’m afraid, but….
479 00:50:36.020 ⇒ 00:50:39.530 Sam Roberts: That’s totally fine, I kind of expected that, but I wanted to throw it on in case you were….
480 00:50:39.910 ⇒ 00:50:45.620 Uttam Kumaran: If I can, I will. It will be as… as possible.
481 00:50:46.140 ⇒ 00:50:48.570 Sam Roberts: Yeah, I won’t worry about you for now, then. You’re good.
482 00:50:49.430 ⇒ 00:50:50.220 Sam Roberts: Cool.
483 00:50:51.150 ⇒ 00:50:51.900 Awaish Kumar: Alright.
484 00:50:52.490 ⇒ 00:50:53.200 Sam Roberts: Alrighty.
485 00:50:53.580 ⇒ 00:50:55.080 Uttam Kumaran: Okay, thank you guys.
486 00:50:55.730 ⇒ 00:50:58.200 Sam Roberts: Thank you. Yeah, have a good one, guys.