Meeting Title: Fan Steak Renewal Deal Planning Date: 2025-07-21 Meeting participants: Uttam Kumaran, Demilade Agboola
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1 00:00:44.640 ⇒ 00:00:45.459 Demilade Agboola: A hotel.
2 00:00:45.990 ⇒ 00:00:47.439 Uttam Kumaran: Hey! How are you?
3 00:00:48.760 ⇒ 00:00:49.889 Demilade Agboola: In our Halloween.
4 00:00:50.210 ⇒ 00:00:54.549 Uttam Kumaran: Good just preparing. We’re gonna pitch.
5 00:00:55.170 ⇒ 00:01:03.739 Uttam Kumaran: pitch, fan stake, just a new like sports kind of like a almost sports betting. We’re kind of different. But we’re pitching them on a
6 00:01:04.060 ⇒ 00:01:11.390 Uttam Kumaran: renewal deal. So I’m just working on I’m just working on like the deck
7 00:01:11.950 ⇒ 00:01:14.219 Uttam Kumaran: the deck for them now. So.
8 00:01:14.220 ⇒ 00:01:18.740 Demilade Agboola: I probably had just come in, though, or is that phase over.
9 00:01:19.957 ⇒ 00:01:21.560 Uttam Kumaran: Wait! Say that one more time.
10 00:01:22.070 ⇒ 00:01:24.370 Demilade Agboola: I thought they just got in. Is that fair.
11 00:01:24.370 ⇒ 00:01:24.740 Uttam Kumaran: Oh!
12 00:01:24.740 ⇒ 00:01:25.999 Demilade Agboola: Oh, it’s that button.
13 00:01:26.580 ⇒ 00:01:40.720 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, so I, we got so my friend, who I worked with a couple of jobs ago, leads marketing there. So we just did like a 2 week. It’s now 3 weeks, but 3 week sort of trial with them.
14 00:01:41.710 ⇒ 00:01:42.360 Demilade Agboola: Okay.
15 00:01:42.590 ⇒ 00:01:48.629 Uttam Kumaran: And we’re just wrapping up but basically, the scope is going to be
16 00:01:49.114 ⇒ 00:01:53.985 Uttam Kumaran: setting up some. It’s good. Basically, the architecture is like setting up
17 00:01:55.484 ⇒ 00:02:00.035 Uttam Kumaran: I’ll I’ll actually I was gonna add this, anyway. So let me just bring this in.
18 00:02:02.210 ⇒ 00:02:05.509 Demilade Agboola: Although, do they have a data team? Do they have.
19 00:02:05.730 ⇒ 00:02:07.249 Uttam Kumaran: No, there’s nothing.
20 00:02:07.540 ⇒ 00:02:08.440 Demilade Agboola: Okay.
21 00:02:08.729 ⇒ 00:02:11.496 Uttam Kumaran: There, there’s nothing right now.
22 00:02:12.749 ⇒ 00:02:20.109 Uttam Kumaran: and this is like their. This is going to be their architecture. I’ll just paste this image and
23 00:02:29.939 ⇒ 00:02:34.179 Uttam Kumaran: So we’re gonna implement polyatomic. We’re gonna implement. Dbt, github.
24 00:02:34.369 ⇒ 00:02:39.729 Uttam Kumaran: And then, I’m thinking about using mother duck.
25 00:02:39.929 ⇒ 00:02:42.359 Uttam Kumaran: Have you heard of like duck, TV, or mother duck.
26 00:02:42.830 ⇒ 00:02:45.890 Demilade Agboola: Yeah, I heard of that. I’ve never used it, but I’ve heard of it.
27 00:02:46.520 ⇒ 00:02:54.449 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, we started we started. We. We did a proof of concept for them, and it’s very
28 00:02:54.610 ⇒ 00:02:57.060 Uttam Kumaran: cheap and like super easy.
29 00:02:57.517 ⇒ 00:03:05.199 Uttam Kumaran: So we did a proof of concept. This is literally all that’s in mother duck. And so we created like a little database for them.
30 00:03:05.300 ⇒ 00:03:11.690 Uttam Kumaran: They have maybe, like 15 or 20 core tables. So it’s a very simple modeling job.
31 00:03:11.820 ⇒ 00:03:16.940 Uttam Kumaran: But the mother duck pricing is very cheap dude
32 00:03:18.980 ⇒ 00:03:26.320 Uttam Kumaran: like 25 bucks a month or so, and it could be. And then, like for everything, you can
33 00:03:26.700 ⇒ 00:03:30.700 Uttam Kumaran: go to a hundred bucks a month, which there’s only a thousand, I’m sure bucks.
34 00:03:30.960 ⇒ 00:03:32.710 Demilade Agboola: It feels like
35 00:03:33.900 ⇒ 00:03:39.279 Demilade Agboola: I don’t. I don’t know why, but this was like how you’re trying to get people on board.
36 00:03:39.420 ⇒ 00:03:48.030 Demilade Agboola: so you will take a hit or to like, and you are gonna increase prices in the future. But I don’t think like 5 years in the future, they’re still gonna be at a hundred dollars.
37 00:03:48.030 ⇒ 00:03:48.430 Uttam Kumaran: For you.
38 00:03:49.045 ⇒ 00:03:49.660 Demilade Agboola: Yeah.
39 00:03:50.300 ⇒ 00:03:55.570 Uttam Kumaran: True. But you know, for clients who they don’t have like a lot of lot of data and snowflake.
40 00:03:56.080 ⇒ 00:04:00.740 Uttam Kumaran: it’s kind of over, maybe, like I didn’t. Used to think Snowflake was the easy one, but, like
41 00:04:01.020 ⇒ 00:04:05.789 Uttam Kumaran: now, there’s cheaper versions. So for us, it’s nice, because we can
42 00:04:06.820 ⇒ 00:04:14.549 Uttam Kumaran: easily on board mother, Doc Super quickly, and it’s we don’t have a conversation about Price, and like.
43 00:04:14.550 ⇒ 00:04:17.010 Demilade Agboola: Integrate does dbt. Integrate with this? Well.
44 00:04:17.160 ⇒ 00:04:18.390 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, yeah.
45 00:04:19.040 ⇒ 00:04:19.500 Demilade Agboola: Nice.
46 00:04:19.500 ⇒ 00:04:25.241 Uttam Kumaran: So that these guys are like, kind of like, well loved in the data community. They have, like,
47 00:04:26.390 ⇒ 00:04:34.570 Uttam Kumaran: they have integrations with like a lot of different stuff, deep with Dbt cloud and Dbt core.
48 00:04:34.720 ⇒ 00:04:36.870 Uttam Kumaran: You can do integrations with
49 00:04:37.355 ⇒ 00:04:48.519 Uttam Kumaran: so I call them. And I was like, Look, we’re thinking about, because we have, like we have a client called pool parts, too, where they’re not running a lot of queries. And I’m like they’re about to spend like, maybe, like
50 00:04:48.660 ⇒ 00:04:51.975 Uttam Kumaran: they’re spending like 10 KA year on
51 00:04:52.810 ⇒ 00:04:57.350 Uttam Kumaran: snowflake. I’m kind of like, well, maybe I should move them over here. It could save them bunch of money and.
52 00:04:58.420 ⇒ 00:05:04.129 Demilade Agboola: Yeah, it’d be like we said on like 9 K. Well, it’s all like close to 9 K.
53 00:05:04.460 ⇒ 00:05:11.109 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah. And like, I don’t know. I even feel for, like Eden, you could consider it cause like
54 00:05:11.500 ⇒ 00:05:15.368 Uttam Kumaran: they’re not doing a like. Bigquery is kind of clunky and
55 00:05:17.060 ⇒ 00:05:28.279 Uttam Kumaran: I don’t know. I just wonder how much things would cost on here, you know, versus them. So yeah, I’m trying trying always like exploring new tools. Try to get our clients like a better deal, you know so
56 00:05:33.910 ⇒ 00:05:36.342 Uttam Kumaran: clearly. That’s my my day to day.
57 00:05:37.470 ⇒ 00:05:45.569 Demilade Agboola: Yeah, but yeah, but look seems pretty cool, and if we want to go all in on it.
58 00:05:46.291 ⇒ 00:05:48.889 Demilade Agboola: I think we could figure out like
59 00:05:50.380 ⇒ 00:05:54.640 Demilade Agboola: what like your strength, potential weaknesses as well.
60 00:05:55.241 ⇒ 00:05:58.440 Demilade Agboola: And just kind of what’s
61 00:05:58.540 ⇒ 00:06:00.859 Demilade Agboola: migration to mother. Doc? Looks like.
62 00:06:01.710 ⇒ 00:06:02.600 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah. Man.
63 00:06:02.600 ⇒ 00:06:03.419 Demilade Agboola: Anything there.
64 00:06:04.080 ⇒ 00:06:07.769 Uttam Kumaran: Exactly, and you know, you know, for us it’s like, Look
65 00:06:08.365 ⇒ 00:06:18.720 Uttam Kumaran: you know, there’s all these big players. There’s like Snowflake, Gcp, but mother duck is the only one that picked up my phone, and they’re interested in supporting us. And
66 00:06:18.890 ⇒ 00:06:24.059 Uttam Kumaran: like, if they have a if the product is the same what you know. What’s the problem, you know?
67 00:06:25.690 ⇒ 00:06:31.119 Uttam Kumaran: like. I would much rather go for them. I mean, they’ve been in business now for a while, and they have a lot of funding.
68 00:06:31.300 ⇒ 00:06:50.219 Uttam Kumaran: so I feel pretty confident they have a great like sort of slack community, and like on Linkedin as well. So for me. That’s like data warehouse, you know. I don’t know. I feel like it’s there you. There are options now for people, so for for the when innovation happens, and they can offer a cheaper product like we that gets passed back to the customer. Right? So.
69 00:06:51.950 ⇒ 00:06:53.518 Uttam Kumaran: yeah, I feel like,
70 00:06:55.130 ⇒ 00:07:00.290 Uttam Kumaran: We’ll see. I think I think, certainly, for work like for companies, that they have like less than
71 00:07:00.960 ⇒ 00:07:06.309 Uttam Kumaran: 10 gigs of data, or like 5 gigs of data like fancy doesn’t have that much data.
72 00:07:06.660 ⇒ 00:07:14.869 Uttam Kumaran: I’m like, whatever you know, and Snowflake doesn’t really pick up my phone call. So I don’t like. I don’t know. I don’t
73 00:07:14.980 ⇒ 00:07:18.404 Uttam Kumaran: I? I’m not trying to be like we can’t. I feel like
74 00:07:20.589 ⇒ 00:07:25.060 Uttam Kumaran: I feel like we can’t. I don’t want to be bought like by any vendor. But
75 00:07:26.570 ⇒ 00:07:32.869 Uttam Kumaran: I don’t know. It’s like if they work with us, and they’re interchangeable. Same with polytomic. Right? Not. They’re cheaper, and they work well with us.
76 00:07:33.080 ⇒ 00:07:35.790 Uttam Kumaran: So okay, they get the business, you know.
77 00:07:38.450 ⇒ 00:07:47.499 Demilade Agboola: But I’m saying that the the price of Mother Doc doesn’t include the usage like computer hours. Also matter.
78 00:07:49.280 ⇒ 00:07:51.959 Uttam Kumaran: Oh, no, it there is compute as well.
79 00:07:53.870 ⇒ 00:07:57.295 Demilade Agboola: You know, cause at the bottom it’s showing
80 00:07:57.870 ⇒ 00:08:04.660 Demilade Agboola: pretty light on business, and it’s $25 per per month plus usage.
81 00:08:05.190 ⇒ 00:08:09.570 Demilade Agboola: And then there’s also usage prices like confused prices. Further down below.
82 00:08:10.610 ⇒ 00:08:12.370 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, looks like it’s
83 00:08:16.280 ⇒ 00:08:19.150 Uttam Kumaran: It’s almost similar. It’s similar to like
84 00:08:20.830 ⇒ 00:08:27.150 Uttam Kumaran: it’s similar to what’s it called? Similar to snowflake like compute
85 00:08:28.885 ⇒ 00:08:34.419 Uttam Kumaran: compute like the per credit usage is pretty high. It’s like a dollar per credit.
86 00:08:36.559 ⇒ 00:08:41.479 Uttam Kumaran: and like every warehouse depending on how much you have it up.
87 00:08:42.853 ⇒ 00:08:46.529 Uttam Kumaran: It’s up the it it
88 00:08:46.630 ⇒ 00:08:51.559 Uttam Kumaran: like. For example, you have an extra small warehouse. As long as it’s active it’ll keep billing.
89 00:08:52.620 ⇒ 00:08:53.360 Demilade Agboola: Okay.
90 00:08:54.094 ⇒ 00:09:00.570 Uttam Kumaran: And like a medium and large. But you do again. I don’t know. We’re not like urban sense is probably the largest
91 00:09:01.600 ⇒ 00:09:06.900 Uttam Kumaran: use case, like large of data use case, we have
92 00:09:09.880 ⇒ 00:09:14.219 Uttam Kumaran: right. Eden is pretty big as well, but not as complex.
93 00:09:15.280 ⇒ 00:09:15.930 Demilade Agboola: Yeah.
94 00:09:17.240 ⇒ 00:09:21.730 Uttam Kumaran: So I don’t know. I kind of like pitching mother duck, and we’ll see I’m gonna try for a couple
95 00:09:23.740 ⇒ 00:09:29.990 Uttam Kumaran: I’ll invite. I’ll I’ll I’ll make sure I’ll invite you to our instance, because we have a free instance with them. You can play around.
96 00:09:33.590 ⇒ 00:09:34.560 Demilade Agboola: Sounds good.
97 00:09:36.600 ⇒ 00:09:44.140 Demilade Agboola: So do you want to move off from using Snowflake internally to mother, Doc.
98 00:09:45.950 ⇒ 00:09:49.459 Uttam Kumaran: I mean, I don’t know. I kind of like, even for our work.
99 00:09:51.170 ⇒ 00:09:54.200 Uttam Kumaran: I kind of like don’t have a really like
100 00:09:54.600 ⇒ 00:09:58.890 Uttam Kumaran: compelling reason to stay on Snowflake, I mean.
101 00:10:00.470 ⇒ 00:10:09.540 Uttam Kumaran: I don’t think like they have like any more crazy features than what these guys have. So
102 00:10:10.100 ⇒ 00:10:13.870 Uttam Kumaran: I mean, I think that’s I think they have less features. But it’s simpler.
103 00:10:14.740 ⇒ 00:10:24.649 Uttam Kumaran: And like for a lot of our use cases we’re just running. We’re not using. We’re not using snowpipe. We’re not using shares. We’re not using storage integrations like.
104 00:10:25.540 ⇒ 00:10:29.430 Uttam Kumaran: we’re not doing anything really complicated, you know.
105 00:10:31.570 ⇒ 00:10:32.380 Demilade Agboola: I don’t know.
106 00:10:33.810 ⇒ 00:10:41.539 Uttam Kumaran: So I don’t know I’m not. I’m not like making any like broad decisions, but I like, I like always try similar. That’s how we found real, because
107 00:10:41.720 ⇒ 00:10:44.329 Uttam Kumaran: I was just trying out new tools, and
108 00:10:44.450 ⇒ 00:10:47.549 Uttam Kumaran: they were good, and their pricing model is pretty good, so
109 00:10:48.580 ⇒ 00:10:52.679 Uttam Kumaran: I’ll be. I’ll be pitching fan steak on rail as well, because it’s really easy.
110 00:10:56.290 ⇒ 00:10:58.310 Demilade Agboola: Okay. Alright, then sounds good.
111 00:11:00.520 ⇒ 00:11:01.860 Uttam Kumaran: How’s everything else? Dude?
112 00:11:04.870 ⇒ 00:11:11.202 Demilade Agboola: I’m alright. i i i think
113 00:11:14.640 ⇒ 00:11:21.280 Demilade Agboola: I think we all understand. I’m I’m having to like, I think, understand that like
114 00:11:25.219 ⇒ 00:11:31.310 Demilade Agboola: potentially like how Kyle wants things is very like granular.
115 00:11:31.650 ⇒ 00:11:32.470 Uttam Kumaran: Yes.
116 00:11:33.360 ⇒ 00:11:42.659 Uttam Kumaran: yeah, I mean, I yeah, like, maybe I’ll maybe I’ll steal your thought. Is that like we can’t? It’s just like, I just think he’s maybe too junior to handle some of these?
117 00:11:45.070 ⇒ 00:11:47.529 Uttam Kumaran: Which is really hard, because
118 00:11:48.930 ⇒ 00:11:56.160 Uttam Kumaran: I don’t know. It’s just like he’s like, well, what’s the point of this. I’m like, I’m kind of like explaining to you like what our job is like. I can’t. It’s like kind of
119 00:11:56.530 ⇒ 00:11:58.469 Uttam Kumaran: hard for me to do that, but
120 00:11:58.780 ⇒ 00:12:03.410 Uttam Kumaran: I don’t know. I think he’s a little bit too junior to have to handle these like super open, ended tasks.
121 00:12:03.730 ⇒ 00:12:05.100 Uttam Kumaran: I don’t know what you think.
122 00:12:06.880 ⇒ 00:12:12.390 Demilade Agboola: Yeah, I mean, sometimes, like, I think sometimes it’s
123 00:12:12.970 ⇒ 00:12:15.640 Demilade Agboola: sorry like this. I lost my voice.
124 00:12:15.640 ⇒ 00:12:19.570 Uttam Kumaran: Don’t forget to. Don’t don’t worry at all. You’re totally fine.
125 00:12:20.862 ⇒ 00:12:33.090 Demilade Agboola: Sometimes it’s it’s a bit like it’s a bit like granular, and I think it can be
126 00:12:33.800 ⇒ 00:12:35.039 Demilade Agboola: what’s the word?
127 00:12:36.220 ⇒ 00:12:45.049 Demilade Agboola: But sometimes just it’s just much easier when the person comes to you and says, Hey, I’ve thought of this thought of this thought of this. These are the proposed cons, and you know, should I go this way or that way?
128 00:12:46.099 ⇒ 00:12:50.380 Demilade Agboola: Especially when, like you’re doing like you invest in something else?
129 00:12:51.047 ⇒ 00:12:55.820 Demilade Agboola: You just wanna read a couple of messages, give input a move for some time.
130 00:12:55.820 ⇒ 00:12:56.419 Uttam Kumaran: You end up.
131 00:12:56.420 ⇒ 00:13:01.420 Demilade Agboola: I’ve been to like, actually immerse yourself in that other task.
132 00:13:01.420 ⇒ 00:13:05.170 Uttam Kumaran: You basically have to do the do the thing. Yeah, yeah, it’s like.
133 00:13:05.170 ⇒ 00:13:07.190 Uttam Kumaran: And the same time you might have just done the work.
134 00:13:07.690 ⇒ 00:13:13.320 Demilade Agboola: Yeah, and I can just kind of throw you off the I can throw you off your own work
135 00:13:13.520 ⇒ 00:13:20.839 Demilade Agboola: now. Obviously, he does get the result in the end. But also sometimes speed can also be a factor when you are like.
136 00:13:21.550 ⇒ 00:13:27.449 Demilade Agboola: and to get things out for people and like the idea of like the audits
137 00:13:27.630 ⇒ 00:13:33.640 Demilade Agboola: in parallel. To like the inventory work is cause like, Oh, I was fortunate inventory stuff.
138 00:13:34.120 ⇒ 00:13:38.280 Demilade Agboola: We’re still like trying to just get the final numbers to a point where, like
139 00:13:38.760 ⇒ 00:13:42.349 Demilade Agboola: everything is fine with everybody, all stakeholders.
140 00:13:42.740 ⇒ 00:13:46.649 Demilade Agboola: And she’s like, Oh, while that’s going on, let’s handle the audit.
141 00:13:47.360 ⇒ 00:13:48.050 Uttam Kumaran: Yes.
142 00:13:48.520 ⇒ 00:13:50.540 Demilade Agboola: Of the revenue on the other side.
143 00:13:51.330 ⇒ 00:13:56.700 Demilade Agboola: And so when I’m free and I’m done with that, it’s easy for me to just kind of hop in. And like
144 00:13:57.260 ⇒ 00:14:01.310 Demilade Agboola: we have updated, we can kind of speed that up. So it’s much faster.
145 00:14:02.960 ⇒ 00:14:09.910 Demilade Agboola: And ultimately, so I just kind of broke it down into like, Hey, these are the different things that count into like revenue.
146 00:14:11.390 ⇒ 00:14:21.740 Demilade Agboola: Since there’s just everything is a mess. The idea is, let’s try and get like a clean data set of everything where we know. Hey, pre migration post migration. This is how they calculate everything.
147 00:14:22.380 ⇒ 00:14:26.090 Demilade Agboola: And the idea is, if we can have like clean data sets.
148 00:14:26.280 ⇒ 00:14:30.900 Demilade Agboola: It’s it’s basically super easy to now calculate revenue.
149 00:14:31.402 ⇒ 00:14:47.060 Demilade Agboola: Once you have an idea of how like things like subscription factoring discounts taxes. So once it’s like, Oh, we want to calculate revenue by States cross net revenue, whatever. It’s much easier to do all this calculations once you’ve done
150 00:14:47.170 ⇒ 00:14:51.610 Demilade Agboola: once you have clean data sets and just being able to figure out what those clean data sets are.
151 00:14:53.173 ⇒ 00:14:55.789 Demilade Agboola: I think that can be.
152 00:14:58.720 ⇒ 00:15:01.339 Demilade Agboola: Yeah. I think, just being able to figure out like
153 00:15:03.470 ⇒ 00:15:16.129 Demilade Agboola: what is going on like even when I did stuff for inventory, like, I was literally auditing and building models like side by side, because I’m like, Oh, this is an unnecessary part, like, let’s get rid of this. We can compress this into this like
154 00:15:16.580 ⇒ 00:15:24.350 Demilade Agboola: this is happening. This is happening in this level. But we can all have, like a staging layer where all of these transformations happen. All our phones, things like that.
155 00:15:25.006 ⇒ 00:15:29.409 Demilade Agboola: I think being able to just be fast. These things is is
156 00:15:29.720 ⇒ 00:15:35.710 Demilade Agboola: very important, and I feel like that burden is not on your shoulder when you do another task
157 00:15:35.890 ⇒ 00:15:37.660 Demilade Agboola: and be a bit prestrated.
158 00:15:45.690 ⇒ 00:15:53.420 Uttam Kumaran: Sorry I was on mute. Yeah, I guess my question. My question is going to be like, if if
159 00:15:54.450 ⇒ 00:15:58.613 Uttam Kumaran: I don’t know if if Kyle’s who junior then? Really?
160 00:15:59.380 ⇒ 00:16:03.189 Uttam Kumaran: I don’t want to kick off a new mart unless you’re leading it.
161 00:16:04.024 ⇒ 00:16:07.169 Uttam Kumaran: Which means we can only do one at a time
162 00:16:09.790 ⇒ 00:16:16.300 Uttam Kumaran: like I would rather you lead it and then assign him tickets. It’s clear that he can’t sort of figure it out himself.
163 00:16:18.830 ⇒ 00:16:22.700 Uttam Kumaran: You know, and I don’t. I don’t know whether we have the bandwidth to sort of like
164 00:16:22.910 ⇒ 00:16:25.359 Uttam Kumaran: coach and change that right now.
165 00:16:27.020 ⇒ 00:16:32.870 Uttam Kumaran: I think he does a lot better when he has like really clear task to go accomplish
166 00:16:33.020 ⇒ 00:16:37.540 Uttam Kumaran: anything open ended. I just don’t think that he sort of has the same.
167 00:16:38.200 ⇒ 00:16:44.749 Uttam Kumaran: I mean, I don’t know for me. I’m like, he’s like, How do you model this? I’m like, I don’t know. It’s just a business like I’ve just done this like a bunch of times.
168 00:16:44.970 ⇒ 00:16:49.100 Uttam Kumaran: So I feel like, maybe that’s something that we should change.
169 00:16:49.420 ⇒ 00:16:52.079 Uttam Kumaran: which is like only taking one mar at a time.
170 00:16:52.190 ⇒ 00:16:57.100 Uttam Kumaran: But I would rather you hand him the tasks.
171 00:16:57.340 ⇒ 00:17:02.700 Uttam Kumaran: you know, and like. Take on the complicated modeling, and then any sort of small tasks clean up.
172 00:17:03.289 ⇒ 00:17:05.879 Uttam Kumaran: But I’m open to your feedback. If you’re like, look
173 00:17:06.099 ⇒ 00:17:09.339 Uttam Kumaran: cause cause that that will that will limit. You know the amount of
174 00:17:09.530 ⇒ 00:17:11.480 Uttam Kumaran: things we can do in parallel. But
175 00:17:12.359 ⇒ 00:17:16.859 Uttam Kumaran: I. You know I’m i i just think that’s the situation we’re in right now.
176 00:17:18.349 ⇒ 00:17:28.069 Demilade Agboola: Yeah. So I I get that. And I mean, part of why I wanted him to be able to start the audit is because I knew that like once I’m done with inventory, it shouldn’t take.
177 00:17:28.069 ⇒ 00:17:29.599 Demilade Agboola: Yeah, no, I know what you mean.
178 00:17:29.960 ⇒ 00:17:31.999 Uttam Kumaran: You’re gonna get a head start like.
179 00:17:32.000 ⇒ 00:17:42.679 Demilade Agboola: Yeah, so he, I’ll he’ll get the head start and I will be able to just kind of figure out and like so ideally at that point. So if I’m we wrap up inventory like, say, this week.
180 00:17:43.340 ⇒ 00:17:43.690 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah.
181 00:17:44.380 ⇒ 00:17:48.390 Demilade Agboola: It will be like all like next week, or whatever we could hop in.
182 00:17:49.130 ⇒ 00:17:54.370 Demilade Agboola: I can start on it. He can also have contribute some part to it, and I wouldn’t feel like.
183 00:17:54.900 ⇒ 00:18:01.239 Demilade Agboola: Or if you for the orders, can you do a ticket where we need to do this? This, this, this based off.
184 00:18:01.240 ⇒ 00:18:01.760 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah.
185 00:18:02.073 ⇒ 00:18:05.209 Demilade Agboola: He would have the context, and he has to execute
186 00:18:07.090 ⇒ 00:18:13.770 Demilade Agboola: so that was basically why I was like, Okay, you know, we’ll start with the the revenue, get some business logic, some business context.
187 00:18:14.410 ⇒ 00:18:15.050 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah. Yes.
188 00:18:15.050 ⇒ 00:18:15.900 Demilade Agboola: For you.
189 00:18:16.360 ⇒ 00:18:19.610 Uttam Kumaran: No, I think I think that I think that makes
190 00:18:20.830 ⇒ 00:18:23.929 Uttam Kumaran: I think that makes sense. I feel like overall.
191 00:18:25.740 ⇒ 00:18:30.160 Uttam Kumaran: and we just sort of time boxed it, and I don’t think it was made. I don’t think he maybe
192 00:18:30.300 ⇒ 00:18:32.860 Uttam Kumaran: he wasn’t clear on like, Hey, my goal is just to like.
193 00:18:33.140 ⇒ 00:18:35.370 Uttam Kumaran: Go get an understanding of this.
194 00:18:35.520 ⇒ 00:18:37.930 Uttam Kumaran: And then we’re gonna back. And then
195 00:18:38.380 ⇒ 00:18:47.400 Uttam Kumaran: I think he was like, I’m gonna take this whole thing on which again, I don’t know whether it’s miscommunication or whatever. But either way, I mean, I I hear what you were gonna you were trying to do.
196 00:18:48.270 ⇒ 00:18:53.399 Uttam Kumaran: It’s fine. I mean, it’s I think keys just sometimes gets it’s overwhelming if there’s like
197 00:18:53.750 ⇒ 00:19:00.450 Uttam Kumaran: such a big, I mean, that’s what I feel like, too like if I looked at it for a few days, I’ll figure it out and kind of give you all the steps to fix it.
198 00:19:01.470 ⇒ 00:19:01.885 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah.
199 00:19:03.620 ⇒ 00:19:09.780 Demilade Agboola: Like, even with the deprecation work. I know this. This happened like last week, like Thursday.
200 00:19:10.110 ⇒ 00:19:14.500 Demilade Agboola: and so he mentioned that he was working on some of the views, and that they were broken.
201 00:19:17.930 ⇒ 00:19:22.280 Demilade Agboola: And that should we like
202 00:19:22.660 ⇒ 00:19:33.980 Demilade Agboola: drop them? Or should we try to like? What do we do with the broken views, and I just said, yes, once we have a list of all broken views, we can present it to the urban sense team to either deprecate or fix.
203 00:19:34.110 ⇒ 00:19:39.040 Demilade Agboola: Given how they are broke with no one. Seems, I’ve noticed we should lean more to like deprecation.
204 00:19:39.370 ⇒ 00:19:43.509 Demilade Agboola: right? Yeah. Because while we cause, if which no one has noticed, that they’re broken like
205 00:19:44.040 ⇒ 00:19:47.430 Demilade Agboola: the, you know. And it’s like.
206 00:19:49.010 ⇒ 00:19:51.120 Demilade Agboola: all right, he said. He will do that and run.
207 00:19:51.440 ⇒ 00:20:00.480 Demilade Agboola: and then he all comes like an hour later, before the missing goes. I recall that they’re the views not being queried in redshift and not in the manifest Jason.
208 00:20:01.159 ⇒ 00:20:04.659 Demilade Agboola: Which I mean, sure, but, like ultimately still doesn’t change.
209 00:20:05.310 ⇒ 00:20:09.290 Demilade Agboola: But you should lean to like deprecating them rather than fixing them.
210 00:20:09.590 ⇒ 00:20:10.440 Demilade Agboola: Yeah.
211 00:20:10.440 ⇒ 00:20:11.549 Uttam Kumaran: I agree, yeah.
212 00:20:11.550 ⇒ 00:20:11.880 Demilade Agboola: Yeah.
213 00:20:11.880 ⇒ 00:20:12.880 Uttam Kumaran: But also like, look, I was
214 00:20:12.880 ⇒ 00:20:18.280 Uttam Kumaran: like dude. If you don’t know redshift like. Just say something, because
215 00:20:18.920 ⇒ 00:20:22.620 Uttam Kumaran: spending 5 days on anything like dude. I don’t know the last time I spent
216 00:20:23.040 ⇒ 00:20:25.080 Uttam Kumaran: like 5 days on anything in my life
217 00:20:25.510 ⇒ 00:20:27.430 Uttam Kumaran: like you know what I mean. Like.
218 00:20:28.170 ⇒ 00:20:31.399 Uttam Kumaran: If something’s taking that long. It’s something’s wrong
219 00:20:32.290 ⇒ 00:20:45.989 Uttam Kumaran: which is kind of my feedback, I’m like, Oh, God! Like, why are we spending so much time on this like you would have given me this in like 30 min, I would have wrote you the query and dropped these things also. Because dude zach said, drop it, he said, who gives a fuck, he said. Drop it.
220 00:20:46.820 ⇒ 00:20:52.199 Demilade Agboola: He gave us the green light. He was like, I want to make deeper cuts, he actually said. Like, I want to make even deeper cuts.
221 00:20:53.470 ⇒ 00:20:54.360 Uttam Kumaran: You know.
222 00:20:55.200 ⇒ 00:20:56.879 Demilade Agboola: It’s fair enough right off. Like
223 00:20:57.400 ⇒ 00:20:59.788 Demilade Agboola: I think, yeah, I think there’s also.
224 00:21:00.400 ⇒ 00:21:02.660 Demilade Agboola: I think there’s also that worry of like.
225 00:21:02.770 ⇒ 00:21:08.570 Demilade Agboola: you know, maybe not wanting to mess things up. So maybe that like hinders him from just being
226 00:21:09.110 ⇒ 00:21:15.495 Demilade Agboola: like it’s it’s like a constant like yo come to what I’m doing. Just so if anything happens, he has like
227 00:21:16.410 ⇒ 00:21:17.940 Demilade Agboola: what’s it called?
228 00:21:20.370 ⇒ 00:21:23.279 Uttam Kumaran: Like the like, a kind of a backup plan, or like.
229 00:21:23.280 ⇒ 00:21:26.150 Demilade Agboola: Yeah, like an an alibi of some sort, like, Oh.
230 00:21:26.150 ⇒ 00:21:26.530 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah.
231 00:21:26.530 ⇒ 00:21:33.329 Demilade Agboola: This went wrong. This went wrong and like, but you know we I discussed it with Xyz, and that happened.
232 00:21:33.440 ⇒ 00:21:34.820 Demilade Agboola: And in a way,
233 00:21:36.910 ⇒ 00:21:41.509 Demilade Agboola: It’s like you have to be very sick responsibility for things to go bad, because that’s.
234 00:21:41.510 ⇒ 00:21:45.490 Uttam Kumaran: I agree. I mean, this is like sort of ownership mentality, where I’m like
235 00:21:45.790 ⇒ 00:21:47.589 Uttam Kumaran: the job is to get it done.
236 00:21:48.150 ⇒ 00:21:48.630 Demilade Agboola: Yeah.
237 00:21:48.630 ⇒ 00:21:52.850 Uttam Kumaran: Like. Get it done, or you tell me, and I’ll get it done. I don’t, doesn’t care. I don’t care.
238 00:21:53.460 ⇒ 00:22:08.790 Demilade Agboola: I’m sure, and shortly, sometimes I think he should like it’s like, obviously no one wants to make mistakes, and we’re dealing with that, obviously, and there should be guardrails against like really really fatal mistakes. But also mistakes will happen. That’s the as the honest truth, right like.
239 00:22:09.160 ⇒ 00:22:12.270 Demilade Agboola: you know, you don’t want to make, you know.
240 00:22:12.570 ⇒ 00:22:20.719 Demilade Agboola: really, really bad errors. But like things will happen. They’re gonna push back code sometime. You’re gonna like things are just gonna happen it, it happens.
241 00:22:21.030 ⇒ 00:22:30.389 Demilade Agboola: but it’s been able to like figure out like from those mistakes and not repeat mistakes. That’s the important thing like, how do you let have those mistakes and learn from those mistakes.
242 00:22:32.790 ⇒ 00:22:38.720 Demilade Agboola: and I think from that you need to be a bit more daring, you know, just trying to
243 00:22:39.380 ⇒ 00:22:41.689 Demilade Agboola: to to do some of those things.
244 00:22:43.310 ⇒ 00:22:46.170 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, I I also agree. I think he.
245 00:22:46.430 ⇒ 00:22:49.309 Uttam Kumaran: I think he’s a little bit too careful.
246 00:22:51.076 ⇒ 00:22:56.649 Uttam Kumaran: And like requires like a little bit too much advanced planning.
247 00:22:57.030 ⇒ 00:23:01.210 Uttam Kumaran: And again, like, if we were to do that, we would become like Ibm.
248 00:23:01.940 ⇒ 00:23:09.139 Uttam Kumaran: you know. So I’m always gonna push against that like, I’m always gonna be the one that’s like this is too much process, right?
249 00:23:09.460 ⇒ 00:23:16.520 Uttam Kumaran: Like, even with the project management stuff. And I know you’re you’re trying to see that a lot of it is helpful, but some of it is overkill.
250 00:23:16.910 ⇒ 00:23:22.080 Uttam Kumaran: But my job is to be like, yeah, this is kind of overkill. Even if the book says, do it this way, I’m kind of like.
251 00:23:23.080 ⇒ 00:23:28.989 Uttam Kumaran: alright. Well, we don’t have to do this like the official way officially, like, you know, the job is to get the job done for the client.
252 00:23:29.200 ⇒ 00:23:32.980 Uttam Kumaran: and so I don’t know. I I also agree like I I mean.
253 00:23:33.150 ⇒ 00:23:43.180 Uttam Kumaran: I’ve kind of given. Maybe I can take. Take this as a note to give him some feedback and to share that like, hey, the goal is the job. The goal is to get the thing done.
254 00:23:43.380 ⇒ 00:23:50.010 Uttam Kumaran: and if it’s not getting done on time, then you have to escalate right and like. And
255 00:23:50.250 ⇒ 00:23:56.719 Uttam Kumaran: maybe my sort of point is like. It’s not really about like who gets it done. It’s just about the fact that it gets done for the client.
256 00:23:56.720 ⇒ 00:23:57.530 Demilade Agboola: Desktop.
257 00:23:57.630 ⇒ 00:23:58.610 Demilade Agboola: Yeah.
258 00:23:58.610 ⇒ 00:24:06.440 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, and also that like, Hey, you should be open to saying like, I don’t know quickly, you know.
259 00:24:07.090 ⇒ 00:24:07.750 Demilade Agboola: Yeah.
260 00:24:08.000 ⇒ 00:24:17.470 Demilade Agboola: Also, it’s been about like, the bandwidth thing is so important because I was thinking about it right? I I don’t know if you remember one of the things you said the 1st time we had a call
261 00:24:18.144 ⇒ 00:24:22.899 Demilade Agboola: like Prior, that’s prior to me. Joining was that you just want someone who comes on the team
262 00:24:23.060 ⇒ 00:24:28.479 Demilade Agboola: and gives you the bandwidth to be able to work on sales that you don’t always want to be
263 00:24:29.091 ⇒ 00:24:52.989 Demilade Agboola: like involved in the engineering stuff as much because you want to focus on sales, and, you know, bring more money and more products to the company, which obviously makes sense, I think about it that way. But like, imagine if every single time I had to like keep buzzing and like Oh, urban stamps, this is going on. Eden, this is going on. There’s this task like at at some point you just be like, you know, work like it kind of
264 00:24:53.950 ⇒ 00:24:57.829 Demilade Agboola: affects your bandwidth to handle stuff, and I think sometimes that the
265 00:24:58.220 ⇒ 00:25:04.329 Demilade Agboola: I think of tickets, or being assigned tickets, or being responsible for things as a thing of like.
266 00:25:04.730 ⇒ 00:25:23.620 Demilade Agboola: Obviously ask for help when you need to. Or if there’s information that, like potentially is not available to you. But you think you have it like that. You might have the information I’ll reach out to you. That’s not. That’s something. But like, ultimately, I’m aware that it is my responsibility to get the task out of the way.
267 00:25:23.990 ⇒ 00:25:27.380 Demilade Agboola: And if I continuously keep bringing that to you.
268 00:25:28.790 ⇒ 00:25:32.410 Demilade Agboola: then there’s very little point to me being here
269 00:25:33.050 ⇒ 00:25:44.339 Demilade Agboola: in that regard, and obviously understand that, like Senior versus Junior, the level of how much. But I think that’s also really different senior and a junior, basically a senior someone that you. You can expect to handle things without like
270 00:25:45.060 ⇒ 00:25:51.929 Demilade Agboola: I’ll say supervision. But they don’t need a lot of like hand holding, and they they can get things done, and you know, things move out the way.
271 00:25:52.110 ⇒ 00:25:55.789 Demilade Agboola: I think I just would like Kyle to have a bit more.
272 00:25:55.960 ⇒ 00:26:00.261 Demilade Agboola: I’ll I’ll say I’ll say daring as like, it’s just basically just being daring. Like, okay.
273 00:26:01.210 ⇒ 00:26:12.710 Demilade Agboola: trust your instinct, trust your gut. Do your research. Obviously, if you want to do yours, there’s nothing wrong with doing your research. But, like, ultimately, you need to action stuff, you need to be able to say, Hey.
274 00:26:13.578 ⇒ 00:26:15.650 Demilade Agboola: there was this task.
275 00:26:16.089 ⇒ 00:26:24.139 Demilade Agboola: There are blah blah views. There are so many. Deprecate all of this. I think this is the best part with us to to use.
276 00:26:24.330 ⇒ 00:26:28.719 Demilade Agboola: and I will go ahead and deprecate them by the blah blah dates. If anyone has any.
277 00:26:29.430 ⇒ 00:26:41.059 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, like, you say that. Say the decision and ask for feedback on the decision, not the other way around. Right? Like for me, this is what’s happening across the whole company dude and one dude. This is where you and a wish.
278 00:26:41.480 ⇒ 00:26:59.579 Uttam Kumaran: I mean, I don’t work that closely with with any much. But you, in a way, are always like that. I mean, it’s it’s basically the reason we’re able to now move to these bigger clients. And I’m able, like the the work that we’ve done in the last 3 months on sales. As you can see, we’re starting to land like
279 00:26:59.810 ⇒ 00:27:18.069 Uttam Kumaran: one new client a week, you know, which is insane, like I’ve never thought we would ever get here. But it’s also like the fact that I know you guys will come surface something when it’s like a problem. And even if you don’t, I’m actually happy that you guys go ahead and execute, because I will still monitor and sort of
280 00:27:18.350 ⇒ 00:27:22.329 Uttam Kumaran: insert myself where necessary. But my job is more of like
281 00:27:22.850 ⇒ 00:27:37.530 Uttam Kumaran: I should just be reading status updates. And so I can be like, actually here, I got a better plan for that, right like I didn’t know the redshift stuff was taking so long. And then when I asked Amber, because I was like, Hey, when’s the due date on this? She’s like, Oh, we passed the due date, I’m like, Oh.
282 00:27:37.920 ⇒ 00:27:43.860 Uttam Kumaran: someone got a yell at that point, and then it’s like, Oh, we’re we were told not to bother you, and I’m like
283 00:27:44.370 ⇒ 00:27:50.559 Uttam Kumaran: that’s not really fair like what don’t blame. Don’t say like we were told not to bother you like
284 00:27:50.740 ⇒ 00:27:55.539 Uttam Kumaran: you’re taking 10 days to drop some views in in redshift like that’s like an
285 00:27:55.750 ⇒ 00:27:58.250 Uttam Kumaran: hour long thing. I’ll do it for you right now.
286 00:27:58.420 ⇒ 00:28:06.230 Uttam Kumaran: but like I want to hear, I want to hear either I’m blocked, and here’s why, or we made it through. And and here’s any feedback right? Like.
287 00:28:06.540 ⇒ 00:28:11.609 Uttam Kumaran: But I I’m I’m with you there like, I I wanna that’s that’s the sort of stuff that I’m interested in.
288 00:28:13.620 ⇒ 00:28:19.200 Uttam Kumaran: So yeah, I mean, I think I’m gonna I’m gonna give him some feedback on that like. And this is also like for me.
289 00:28:19.675 ⇒ 00:28:26.980 Uttam Kumaran: And I know we only have a few minutes. I have a couple more questions. I I want to find out ways to stretch people right and give people more. But
290 00:28:27.200 ⇒ 00:28:38.340 Uttam Kumaran: I think for Kyle and for Luke. I have a trouble doing that just because I think they’re still not like getting to the next level. And yeah, I don’t know if we do the best job with training and everything at the company. But.
291 00:28:39.073 ⇒ 00:28:45.350 Uttam Kumaran: I don’t see them getting to the point where I can trust them with a job getting done without intervention.
292 00:28:45.620 ⇒ 00:28:46.500 Uttam Kumaran: you know.
293 00:28:48.690 ⇒ 00:28:52.400 Demilade Agboola: Yeah, i i i think it’s just a
294 00:28:54.990 ⇒ 00:28:59.020 Demilade Agboola: I think sometimes. It’s just the thing of like.
295 00:28:59.180 ⇒ 00:29:03.840 Demilade Agboola: you know, there’s an engineering mindset sometimes where it’s like you dive in head first, st
296 00:29:04.300 ⇒ 00:29:08.609 Demilade Agboola: and you kind of build your plane as you’re as you’re falling right like.
297 00:29:09.090 ⇒ 00:29:16.709 Demilade Agboola: I think Kyle wants his plane Co. Completely built before he takes off or like before. You know, he jumps off. And
298 00:29:16.870 ⇒ 00:29:34.679 Demilade Agboola: obviously that takes time because you’re going to have every single thing in place, and I think the engineering thing sometimes is just literally like inventory. When I was doing stuff for urban stamps, there’s stuff like I legitimately was in calls with maybe Felipe and Emily like when I 1st joined. And I’m like this makes no sense to me.
299 00:29:35.720 ⇒ 00:29:40.320 Demilade Agboola: I’ll have to just go like, hey, let’s go with Alex, actually, and just go like, Hey.
300 00:29:40.460 ⇒ 00:29:46.850 Demilade Agboola: what is the end goal? And I would direct the call where I’m just like, okay, so these are the columns we’re going to build for this table.
301 00:29:47.070 ⇒ 00:29:57.989 Demilade Agboola: This is this, this is that, this is that. And then all of a sudden, I’ve been able to filter out all the unnecessary information, and I can hone in on what I need to do for the inventory tables and boom! We we got that out.
302 00:29:57.990 ⇒ 00:30:15.060 Uttam Kumaran: No, I’m with you like, I don’t know until I talk. And then when I talk, you sort of see patterns. And I’m like, okay, this looks like a many to one like we’ll do this drawing. Let me get something they can see. But this is the thing, dude. I don’t. I didn’t learn it like any traditional way. So when someone asks me like, How did you do this? I’m like.
303 00:30:15.430 ⇒ 00:30:19.179 Uttam Kumaran: I don’t know. I just do this like did this for a long time.
304 00:30:19.470 ⇒ 00:30:26.270 Uttam Kumaran: So that’s the thing I feel like. Maybe the goal is to like, I mean, for everybody in the company. I think the bar is gonna start to raise.
305 00:30:26.410 ⇒ 00:30:38.990 Uttam Kumaran: And so ultimately people will have to reach sort of the level that you’re at, and then you will grow even bigger or like it’s gonna be tough to be at the company because we move very fast
306 00:30:39.190 ⇒ 00:30:46.009 Uttam Kumaran: and we want to run a Sync company right? We don’t want there to be like 100 meetings, 100 documents.
307 00:30:46.290 ⇒ 00:30:50.409 Uttam Kumaran: And so at some point, I kind of have to be like, hey, you’re not gonna get like
308 00:30:50.960 ⇒ 00:30:53.189 Uttam Kumaran: everything figured out before this.
309 00:30:53.390 ⇒ 00:30:59.370 Uttam Kumaran: and so you can’t bank on that to like. Get this work done like you have to drive in at some point, you know.
310 00:31:00.830 ⇒ 00:31:01.440 Demilade Agboola: Yep.
311 00:31:01.750 ⇒ 00:31:02.596 Demilade Agboola: Yeah. Yeah.
312 00:31:04.000 ⇒ 00:31:08.860 Uttam Kumaran: How’s your how I was? Gonna ask how your like overall bandwidth is?
313 00:31:09.380 ⇒ 00:31:13.949 Uttam Kumaran: We’re getting some more client work coming in.
314 00:31:14.160 ⇒ 00:31:19.309 Uttam Kumaran: I kind of am interested to see if you want to act more on like the technical.
315 00:31:19.730 ⇒ 00:31:23.860 Uttam Kumaran: like on maybe even like the architect side on some of these.
316 00:31:24.060 ⇒ 00:31:28.379 Uttam Kumaran: But I guess I wanted to see like kind of how you’re feeling bandwidth. Wise and stuff.
317 00:31:30.319 ⇒ 00:31:34.929 Demilade Agboola: Budget wise I’m I’m I can probably take on one more
318 00:31:35.623 ⇒ 00:31:42.400 Demilade Agboola: but I wouldn’t for that to happen. I would need to cut down on my meetings. I have like, like, for instance, today I’ve had, like maybe 5 h.
319 00:31:42.400 ⇒ 00:31:45.219 Uttam Kumaran: Well, what what meetings, what meetings are you in?
320 00:31:45.550 ⇒ 00:31:48.040 Uttam Kumaran: I didn’t even know it. People are in fucking meetings.
321 00:31:48.640 ⇒ 00:31:53.159 Demilade Agboola: Yeah. Wanna see?
322 00:31:54.000 ⇒ 00:31:55.850 Demilade Agboola: Add like spoons. Retro.
323 00:31:56.100 ⇒ 00:32:00.590 Demilade Agboola: Even kick off meeting. Had a working session. Had a 30 min.
324 00:32:00.590 ⇒ 00:32:04.199 Uttam Kumaran: Oh, dude! We’ll ditch these. Well, are the working sessions worth it?
325 00:32:06.700 ⇒ 00:32:09.300 Demilade Agboola: Not every single one some of them are.
326 00:32:09.860 ⇒ 00:32:14.330 Demilade Agboola: It’s about. Sometimes it’s about just getting in sync with Emily. And just being like, okay, this is
327 00:32:15.160 ⇒ 00:32:21.680 Demilade Agboola: what we need to do. This is what’s left. Okay? So units work on that. I would work on that. And then we can kind of like
328 00:32:21.940 ⇒ 00:32:23.049 Demilade Agboola: be one.
329 00:32:24.200 ⇒ 00:32:34.519 Demilade Agboola: So so some other times, it can just be like pro problem solving on the call where I’m like, okay, maybe I could actually have just done this by myself in like my own headspace, and got them done.
330 00:32:34.896 ⇒ 00:32:46.080 Demilade Agboola: So it’s like it depends on like the agenda for the call. Sometimes, again, like, I said, especially if, like Felipe is on the call, they can very useful. They can also tell like, Hey, these numbers don’t work for certain things.
331 00:32:46.080 ⇒ 00:32:52.350 Uttam Kumaran: Dude. I would rather you cancel the working session and get Perry or Felipe into something, and like spend the time with them.
332 00:32:53.860 ⇒ 00:32:54.270 Demilade Agboola: You know.
333 00:32:54.270 ⇒ 00:32:56.159 Uttam Kumaran: Session every day is kind of brutal.
334 00:32:56.650 ⇒ 00:32:59.200 Demilade Agboola: Yeah, following.
335 00:32:59.630 ⇒ 00:33:00.810 Uttam Kumaran: Just do every other.
336 00:33:00.810 ⇒ 00:33:02.350 Uttam Kumaran: If, like, yeah.
337 00:33:05.380 ⇒ 00:33:14.910 Uttam Kumaran: slowly, slowly remove stuff dude like anything that’s booked recurring my feet. My, my my advice is
338 00:33:15.040 ⇒ 00:33:21.462 Uttam Kumaran: anything that’s an hour long. Try to move it to 30. Anything that’s 30. Move it to 15 at 15. Move it to slack.
339 00:33:23.186 ⇒ 00:33:30.779 Uttam Kumaran: cause. That’s it, dude. I don’t know. Also, sometimes meetings are for work. Meetings are for other people to feel confident. And it’s like.
340 00:33:31.300 ⇒ 00:33:37.160 Uttam Kumaran: Okay, can this be a slack like, you know things like that. I do want to get you in another client. I I don’t know.
341 00:33:37.370 ⇒ 00:33:42.129 Uttam Kumaran: I wanna kind of see whether I can get you to something that’s a little bit more
342 00:33:42.250 ⇒ 00:33:46.209 Uttam Kumaran: higher level, like almost on the architecture side. If you’re interested
343 00:33:46.390 ⇒ 00:33:49.580 Uttam Kumaran: or I don’t know if you’re still interested in just like cranking data models.
344 00:33:50.290 ⇒ 00:33:53.019 Demilade Agboola: No, I could do. I could definitely do architecture side.
345 00:33:53.430 ⇒ 00:33:56.450 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, okay, so yeah, I want you to kind of help to see. Like.
346 00:33:56.980 ⇒ 00:34:06.099 Uttam Kumaran: I kind of, it would be great to have just people like more under you, and you can start to decide on like what the core deliverables are.
347 00:34:06.970 ⇒ 00:34:08.389 Demilade Agboola: Okay. Sounds good.
348 00:34:08.909 ⇒ 00:34:14.379 Uttam Kumaran: Where, like, for example, you come in and you’re like, okay, it’s a very simple like, for example, I mean, even fan steak.
349 00:34:14.549 ⇒ 00:34:17.659 Uttam Kumaran: I could use some help there, which is basically like.
350 00:34:17.969 ⇒ 00:34:25.469 Uttam Kumaran: here are the things that we want to work on that may require one or 2 h from you just to meet with the team and sign off on things, you know. So
351 00:34:25.989 ⇒ 00:34:30.309 Uttam Kumaran: that’s good to hear that you have some space. So let me let me plan one of them.
352 00:34:41.129 ⇒ 00:34:42.009 Uttam Kumaran: Okay.
353 00:34:43.340 ⇒ 00:34:50.569 Uttam Kumaran: okay. So let me. Ca, let me. I think we’re gonna I’m gonna see how this fancy things go. If it goes. Well, I’ll loop back with you this week.
354 00:34:51.690 ⇒ 00:34:53.340 Demilade Agboola: Okay. Sounds good.
355 00:34:55.750 ⇒ 00:35:01.530 Uttam Kumaran: And then, yeah, I invited you, the mother duck. So play around if you need. And then, yeah, I know we didn’t get far on meta plane.
356 00:35:02.168 ⇒ 00:35:07.890 Uttam Kumaran: I’ll have to go spend a little bit more time. But I wanna I’m gonna try to get urban stems on there, too.
357 00:35:09.820 ⇒ 00:35:12.460 Demilade Agboola: Yeah, I know. Luke was working on that.
358 00:35:12.860 ⇒ 00:35:17.040 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, he was working on that. I I just want to follow up and make sure
359 00:35:17.350 ⇒ 00:35:22.689 Uttam Kumaran: that we can. I wanna pitch them on like putting it on their top table, so.
360 00:35:25.030 ⇒ 00:35:27.380 Demilade Agboola: Okay. Sounds good.
361 00:35:29.800 ⇒ 00:35:31.960 Uttam Kumaran: Okay, alright. Later on.
362 00:35:32.540 ⇒ 00:35:33.210 Demilade Agboola: Alright, take care!
363 00:35:33.210 ⇒ 00:35:35.420 Uttam Kumaran: Thank you, Dude. I appreciate it. Thanks for putting this time on.
364 00:35:36.300 ⇒ 00:35:38.480 Uttam Kumaran: Alright, then take care, bye.