Meeting Title: US x BF | Sprint Retro Date: 2025-07-07 Meeting participants: Demilade Agboola, Emily Giant, Amber Lin, Caio Velasco
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1 00:00:46.070 ⇒ 00:00:47.610 Amber Lin: Hi! Everyone.
2 00:00:49.350 ⇒ 00:00:49.960 Caio Velasco: Hey!
3 00:00:49.960 ⇒ 00:00:50.990 Emily Giant: Oh!
4 00:00:51.140 ⇒ 00:00:51.890 Caio Velasco: No.
5 00:00:54.644 ⇒ 00:01:00.309 Amber Lin: Same as last time I’ll make a whiteboard for us, and then we can
6 00:01:01.387 ⇒ 00:01:05.209 Amber Lin: talk about it on the whiteboard.
7 00:01:45.539 ⇒ 00:01:47.299 Amber Lin: I opened this board.
8 00:01:47.670 ⇒ 00:01:50.449 Amber Lin: So I’m going to create a new page.
9 00:01:56.760 ⇒ 00:02:01.669 Amber Lin: And I’ll add a quick template.
10 00:02:14.980 ⇒ 00:02:17.680 Amber Lin: Do we know if Demolan is going to be joining.
11 00:02:18.220 ⇒ 00:02:19.430 Emily Giant: I think he is.
12 00:02:19.620 ⇒ 00:02:20.350 Amber Lin: Okay.
13 00:02:22.980 ⇒ 00:02:25.730 Amber Lin: Are you all able to see this whiteboard.
14 00:02:25.990 ⇒ 00:02:26.890 Emily Giant: Yes.
15 00:02:26.890 ⇒ 00:02:37.090 Amber Lin: Okay. Awesome probably. So in some other. Another meeting. Let me go check with him.
16 00:02:45.760 ⇒ 00:02:46.650 Amber Lin: Awesome.
17 00:02:47.731 ⇒ 00:02:51.929 Amber Lin: Oh, we can just get started. I’ll set a quick timer.
18 00:02:52.060 ⇒ 00:02:56.349 Amber Lin: Feel free to put down stickies in
19 00:02:58.600 ⇒ 00:03:05.490 Amber Lin: in the different parts. I’ll set like a 5 min timer, and then we can talk together. After that.
20 00:03:08.420 ⇒ 00:03:09.100 Emily Giant: Thanks.
21 00:03:09.420 ⇒ 00:03:10.090 Amber Lin: Yeah.
22 00:06:32.150 ⇒ 00:06:43.590 Amber Lin: Oh, Emily, I forgot. But there a lot is in another team meeting. Would you able? Would you be able to speak for his parts on the inventory.
23 00:06:44.020 ⇒ 00:06:45.300 Emily Giant: Yeah, I can do that.
24 00:06:45.640 ⇒ 00:06:46.260 Amber Lin: Okay.
25 00:08:16.890 ⇒ 00:08:18.290 Amber Lin: do we need more time?
26 00:08:19.060 ⇒ 00:08:20.690 Amber Lin: 2 min, 1 min.
27 00:08:23.310 ⇒ 00:08:24.330 Emily Giant: I’m good.
28 00:08:24.330 ⇒ 00:08:27.090 Amber Lin: Okay, let me just finish up this sentence.
29 00:08:27.250 ⇒ 00:08:28.470 Amber Lin: Oh, what about you?
30 00:08:29.680 ⇒ 00:08:30.750 Caio Velasco: I’m I’m good.
31 00:08:30.750 ⇒ 00:08:31.360 Amber Lin: Okay
32 00:08:42.679 ⇒ 00:08:48.220 Amber Lin: So let’s take 2 min. Put any stamps, or just read everybody’s
33 00:08:48.893 ⇒ 00:08:55.349 Amber Lin: stickies and then feel free to add any stamps on them. When you agree, or disagree.
34 00:09:00.285 ⇒ 00:09:02.180 Caio Velasco: Are distinct. Where are the steps?
35 00:09:02.180 ⇒ 00:09:11.219 Amber Lin: The stamps are in the left bar, there is on the very bottom there is a smiley face, and that says stickers and emojis.
36 00:09:11.640 ⇒ 00:09:13.400 Amber Lin: The left white bar.
37 00:09:23.390 ⇒ 00:09:24.489 Amber Lin: Do you see it?
38 00:09:25.430 ⇒ 00:09:29.619 Caio Velasco: No, I see a left y bar, but I just see.
39 00:09:29.620 ⇒ 00:09:32.769 Amber Lin: If there’s a smiley face on the bottom.
40 00:09:40.730 ⇒ 00:09:41.980 Caio Velasco: Oh, okay.
41 00:09:41.980 ⇒ 00:09:42.500 Amber Lin: Oh!
42 00:09:42.930 ⇒ 00:09:43.603 Caio Velasco: Got it.
43 00:11:14.070 ⇒ 00:11:17.489 Amber Lin: Yeah, I’ve read everything. Do you think we’re ready to discuss.
44 00:11:18.790 ⇒ 00:11:20.470 Emily Giant: Yes, I read everything too.
45 00:11:20.470 ⇒ 00:11:21.080 Amber Lin: Okay?
46 00:11:24.873 ⇒ 00:11:30.679 Amber Lin: let’s start by, who wants to talk about what they think?
47 00:11:35.000 ⇒ 00:11:39.008 Amber Lin: Okay, I will call names.
48 00:11:40.442 ⇒ 00:11:41.707 Emily Giant: Thank you.
49 00:11:42.880 ⇒ 00:11:53.129 Amber Lin: Okay, Emily, tell tell us what you think, what you think can be improved. Just tell us more about what we have on the stickies.
50 00:11:53.550 ⇒ 00:12:04.890 Emily Giant: Yeah. I think that we had a lot in common between what we were writing. Mostly, it was just the really separating out the revenue from the inventory so that Demo I could focus on.
51 00:12:04.890 ⇒ 00:12:05.570 Amber Lin: Hmm.
52 00:12:05.570 ⇒ 00:12:12.309 Emily Giant: True, like core of what the inventory Mart is representing. It’s very easy to make it
53 00:12:13.123 ⇒ 00:12:17.860 Emily Giant: fan out, and well, it’s not quite the word, but to convolute it with all of the things.
54 00:12:18.390 ⇒ 00:12:21.545 Emily Giant: Because they’re so intertwined. But I think if
55 00:12:22.070 ⇒ 00:12:24.610 Emily Giant: if we’d been better able to like
56 00:12:24.780 ⇒ 00:12:30.447 Emily Giant: narrow down what inventory means he would have been able to.
57 00:12:31.350 ⇒ 00:12:33.891 Emily Giant: you know, tunnel vision on
58 00:12:34.400 ⇒ 00:12:35.040 Amber Lin: Hmm.
59 00:12:35.200 ⇒ 00:12:49.120 Emily Giant: On what he needed to get done. That being said, he got most of it done and I I saw it to even though they were unrelated tasks, the unknown surrounding inventory tables causing pointing to be too low, and then.
60 00:12:49.740 ⇒ 00:12:56.855 Amber Lin: Same symbol, but ends up taking much more time. I think that that is like a constant development.
61 00:12:57.850 ⇒ 00:13:03.414 Emily Giant: Obstacle, and maybe it won’t go away, and all we’ll ever be able to do is get better at it. But
62 00:13:03.680 ⇒ 00:13:04.190 Amber Lin: Hmm.
63 00:13:04.520 ⇒ 00:13:16.519 Emily Giant: Just knowing how so many of our data tables are new and that we don’t know or have documentation about what exactly it is that they do does.
64 00:13:16.520 ⇒ 00:13:17.070 Amber Lin: Hmm.
65 00:13:17.280 ⇒ 00:13:19.330 Emily Giant: Make things take longer, and I,
66 00:13:19.750 ⇒ 00:13:22.750 Emily Giant: considering that in our pointing, especially with netsuite.
67 00:13:22.750 ⇒ 00:13:23.090 Amber Lin: Hmm.
68 00:13:23.403 ⇒ 00:13:26.539 Emily Giant: And working that in could help us be more like
69 00:13:27.040 ⇒ 00:13:31.250 Emily Giant: on on the nose with our commissions.
70 00:13:31.630 ⇒ 00:13:32.320 Amber Lin: Yeah.
71 00:13:32.480 ⇒ 00:13:44.619 Amber Lin: I totally agree. And I think for the 1st point, it’ll be helpful if we establish between us the team of okay, when we think some ticket is is not
72 00:13:45.280 ⇒ 00:13:54.730 Amber Lin: related to our main goal or that it’s rather revenue instead of inventory. I want us to be all be able to point that out. I don’t think
73 00:13:54.830 ⇒ 00:14:20.550 Amber Lin: there was a opportunity to point it out, because it was just in the cycle. But I think I want to change. I was talking to an advisor on the Pmo. Side, and he was like we should have planning where we pull the tickets in. So I did the grooming, where everybody looked at the different tickets to understand what the tickets actually mean. And then tomorrow, when we do planning, we’ll actually pull in the tickets.
74 00:14:22.440 ⇒ 00:14:39.869 Amber Lin: that matter. And then this that way. I think we can help remove the problem of this way, this this sprint. We had revenue tickets and inventory. I don’t think that should have happened if we had planned properly together, so I think we can improve on that.
75 00:14:40.480 ⇒ 00:14:41.749 Emily Giant: Yeah, I believe.
76 00:14:41.750 ⇒ 00:14:42.510 Amber Lin: Okay?
77 00:14:44.440 ⇒ 00:14:47.490 Amber Lin: A quick question. Just a slight
78 00:14:47.590 ⇒ 00:14:53.460 Amber Lin: tangent tomorrow. Emily, I think you’re busy from
79 00:14:53.970 ⇒ 00:14:57.460 Amber Lin: 10 Am. To 1030. Right? That’s your stand up. Time.
80 00:14:57.700 ⇒ 00:14:58.280 Emily Giant: Yeah.
81 00:14:58.280 ⇒ 00:15:14.489 Amber Lin: Oh, okay, I see, because the planning does last a little bit longer. I’m gonna ask them a lot if we can start 30 min earlier, and then you just pop in when you’re free, because he has another stand up usually
82 00:15:14.790 ⇒ 00:15:19.720 Amber Lin: at at a later time, which he is currently going through right now.
83 00:15:19.900 ⇒ 00:15:21.220 Emily Giant: Okay, that’s fine.
84 00:15:21.572 ⇒ 00:15:24.039 Amber Lin: So I was hoping that maybe we
85 00:15:24.350 ⇒ 00:15:33.080 Amber Lin: have this meeting last, maybe 5 min longer after after it’s scheduled time and then hopefully demolan can join in
86 00:15:34.040 ⇒ 00:15:36.279 Amber Lin: and say what he thinks.
87 00:15:36.280 ⇒ 00:15:37.000 Emily Giant: Okay.
88 00:15:49.110 ⇒ 00:15:53.420 Emily Giant: okay, I think that’s all the feedback I have. This was a short sprint. I feel like we were like.
89 00:15:53.420 ⇒ 00:15:53.840 Amber Lin: Hmm.
90 00:15:53.840 ⇒ 00:15:57.338 Emily Giant: Really hard, and then the week, and then the sprint was over.
91 00:15:58.078 ⇒ 00:16:02.109 Amber Lin: That is true. Kyle, what do you think.
92 00:16:04.720 ⇒ 00:16:10.610 Caio Velasco: Oh, I think on my end it was well, a bit stuck in the, you know. Deprecation.
93 00:16:11.830 ⇒ 00:16:14.370 Caio Velasco: But then making progress at the same time.
94 00:16:14.650 ⇒ 00:16:25.910 Caio Velasco: And yeah, like, in the beginning kind of I had an idea. But then things change it a bit, but at the end, at least, I I understood that maybe we should have done
95 00:16:26.550 ⇒ 00:16:31.189 Caio Velasco: a better job in defining those layers. Then we could like
96 00:16:31.560 ⇒ 00:16:34.679 Caio Velasco: maybe do it in both, in, in batches.
97 00:16:35.120 ⇒ 00:16:38.610 Caio Velasco: Which is what we ended up doing. So that was good, a good outcome.
98 00:16:39.420 ⇒ 00:16:49.660 Caio Velasco: Also, I know that we had the. For example, we worked a bit on the Dbt. Audit with Emily, but at the end of the day we didn’t use it that much
99 00:16:50.141 ⇒ 00:16:58.239 Caio Velasco: for the dashboards. I’m sure that we’re gonna use for Dbt itself. But so that was something that we lost a bit of time. Maybe.
100 00:16:58.713 ⇒ 00:16:59.660 Amber Lin: I, see.
101 00:16:59.970 ⇒ 00:17:06.760 Caio Velasco: So, yeah, so I mean, maybe defining, I mean learning out from experience and and defining this for the next time
102 00:17:06.940 ⇒ 00:17:08.730 Caio Velasco: can also be helpful.
103 00:17:09.510 ⇒ 00:17:14.180 Caio Velasco: But yeah, it would be for deprecation, either from ratchet tables or or dashboards.
104 00:17:14.690 ⇒ 00:17:19.299 Caio Velasco: It took up. Sometimes. I was also feeling that some things were taking a lot of time, but then it’s.
105 00:17:19.300 ⇒ 00:17:19.779 Amber Lin: Good to meet you.
106 00:17:19.780 ⇒ 00:17:20.910 Caio Velasco: You’re off the job.
107 00:17:21.788 ⇒ 00:17:32.269 Caio Velasco: Because I thought that. Yeah, just go and look or check things. But then you have to like, communicate with the Api, and it’s just another, I mean engineer becoming a
108 00:17:32.400 ⇒ 00:17:34.774 Caio Velasco: python developer out of the blue.
109 00:17:35.170 ⇒ 00:17:35.520 Emily Giant: Hmm.
110 00:17:35.910 ⇒ 00:17:40.919 Caio Velasco: Which is definitely not not what I know how to do. But I well, I made it happen somehow.
111 00:17:42.290 ⇒ 00:17:51.080 Caio Velasco: And yeah, so maybe like redefining those things and being more aware that those things can appear along the way is also important to be able to
112 00:17:51.870 ⇒ 00:17:55.275 Caio Velasco: measure better or the expected time.
113 00:17:57.280 ⇒ 00:18:03.919 Caio Velasco: But yeah, other than that, I think we we did what we had to do, and even though it took a bit more more time.
114 00:18:03.920 ⇒ 00:18:04.460 Amber Lin: Hmm.
115 00:18:04.730 ⇒ 00:18:07.190 Caio Velasco: I mean, we we completed most things.
116 00:18:07.900 ⇒ 00:18:15.930 Amber Lin: Yeah, I think, for I I would love us to reflect a little bit on the point you brought up that we didn’t really use the Dbt
117 00:18:16.070 ⇒ 00:18:19.360 Amber Lin: audit work, and I think for for me.
118 00:18:20.150 ⇒ 00:18:23.980 Amber Lin: I I see something that’s related to how we
119 00:18:24.560 ⇒ 00:18:47.920 Amber Lin: design the sprints and how we ask what we decide to do, and I think the Dbt audit part was something that I said, oh, I think I think this would be helpful, because we didn’t have the proper grooming and planning in place. So it was. Essentially, I make up tickets. I put tickets in cycle. I asked them a lot, hey? Does this make sense. And I think it’s pretty hard. When
120 00:18:48.020 ⇒ 00:18:59.909 Amber Lin: say, if it’s just, I’m a lot of he’s asked, oh, does this make sense? He’s gonna look at it. He’s gonna say, Oh, I I think it makes. I think it makes good sense. And then all of the team is put on to a task that
121 00:19:00.180 ⇒ 00:19:06.791 Amber Lin: maybe wasn’t the best way to do it, because we didn’t talk about it together, or we didn’t consider
122 00:19:07.420 ⇒ 00:19:11.449 Amber Lin: like other ways that could be done because it was so
123 00:19:13.180 ⇒ 00:19:17.929 Amber Lin: decided for us, in a way, because we didn’t have the proper grooming and planning.
124 00:19:20.480 ⇒ 00:19:21.459 Caio Velasco: Yeah, that’s a good call.
125 00:19:22.120 ⇒ 00:19:22.790 Caio Velasco: Yeah.
126 00:19:23.430 ⇒ 00:19:29.240 Amber Lin: Yeah, yeah. And especially cause now that I’m thinking about it, especially when Zach said.
127 00:19:29.640 ⇒ 00:19:54.139 Amber Lin: we can make big cuts like, maybe we shouldn’t even have been this careful. I really like that. We’re doing deprecating layers, because that’s how my mind works as well. But maybe in terms of this project it could have just been okay. We see this 800 dashboards. We just turn off 600. Whoever asked will put it back. That’s probably gonna be less than 10, and then it would have
128 00:19:54.140 ⇒ 00:20:04.479 Amber Lin: took us less than a week instead of having. We’re on our 3rd sprint now, and this is, we’re just finishing it up so maybe we shouldn’t even have been this careful.
129 00:20:05.490 ⇒ 00:20:09.309 Emily Giant: I think it’s somewhere in the middle. I can see people like getting
130 00:20:09.874 ⇒ 00:20:17.459 Emily Giant: frustrated. Yeah, exactly. And like, the last thing we want is like stakeholder push back or having them pissed off, and then.
131 00:20:18.120 ⇒ 00:20:23.949 Emily Giant: Perspective down the line. So for this 1st round, I think it was probably a good call to be more careful than not.
132 00:20:24.450 ⇒ 00:20:24.860 Amber Lin: Huh!
133 00:20:24.860 ⇒ 00:20:29.419 Emily Giant: It made it take longer. I can see people like holding their stuff real tight. If something gets.
134 00:20:29.990 ⇒ 00:20:31.170 Emily Giant: I didn’t mean to.
135 00:20:31.650 ⇒ 00:20:32.040 Amber Lin: Huh!
136 00:20:32.040 ⇒ 00:20:35.080 Emily Giant: Yeah, so it’s 1 of those where, like.
137 00:20:35.250 ⇒ 00:20:41.640 Emily Giant: it’s a crapshoot, I think. But yeah.
138 00:20:42.130 ⇒ 00:20:50.810 Emily Giant: it’s definitely somewhere in between, with the like, the big cuts, because the stakeholders probably didn’t need to give as much feedback or.
139 00:20:50.810 ⇒ 00:20:51.490 Amber Lin: Yeah.
140 00:20:51.490 ⇒ 00:21:00.489 Emily Giant: You know, and we’re going to rebuild it. But that was something I was trying to like. Figure out how to put on a post-it of like. I don’t think what they what they don’t understand is that.
141 00:21:01.510 ⇒ 00:21:03.649 Emily Giant: That they’re going to get rebuilt.
142 00:21:04.350 ⇒ 00:21:16.340 Emily Giant: and there is nothing to preserve, because it doesn’t work for some of them. So I think that that will be like a later stage thing that we’ll do.
143 00:21:16.900 ⇒ 00:21:23.819 Emily Giant: probably again, after the new marts are launched to say, like, Okay, now that this is launched like. Can you see that
144 00:21:24.060 ⇒ 00:21:27.749 Emily Giant: this is no longer accurate, and we can deprecate it.
145 00:21:28.400 ⇒ 00:21:30.000 Emily Giant: That’s probably something I’ll have to do
146 00:21:30.758 ⇒ 00:21:34.880 Emily Giant: always like, consistently until we’re but.
147 00:21:35.540 ⇒ 00:21:51.439 Amber Lin: I think we should just keep doing that consistently as we rebuild like, I think, involving Felipe involving Perry early on, really avoids those steps. So then they’re like, what is, what does this mean? Why are you getting rid of this stuff? But if they’re involved from the first, st
148 00:21:51.785 ⇒ 00:22:11.639 Amber Lin: when we’re still building it. They know that this is accurate. They know that it’s better, and like we don’t have to spend extra time transitioning them. So I really do think we should keep doing that, especially when we start on revenue. When we make any actual edits, we should start involving the revenue people in the in the Qa.
149 00:22:11.940 ⇒ 00:22:19.090 Emily Giant: Yeah, I totally agree. I think, like Perry was with me when we launched the polytomic data the 1st round, and she.
150 00:22:19.090 ⇒ 00:22:19.410 Amber Lin: Hmm.
151 00:22:19.410 ⇒ 00:22:22.000 Emily Giant: They did every dashboard that day, and never.
152 00:22:22.000 ⇒ 00:22:22.950 Amber Lin: Wow!
153 00:22:22.950 ⇒ 00:22:25.430 Emily Giant: So it’s 1 of those where I think they’re just
154 00:22:25.600 ⇒ 00:22:27.999 Emily Giant: hesitant, because this is all new to them.
155 00:22:28.000 ⇒ 00:22:37.239 Amber Lin: Yeah, yeah. So we’ll make it. We will make it less new to them. I’m just like.
156 00:22:40.660 ⇒ 00:22:48.450 Amber Lin: early on and sorry. And back to the point, Kyle, that you brought up about
157 00:22:48.800 ⇒ 00:22:54.400 Amber Lin: like we didn’t really use a dpt audit. I think that really tells me that I need to like
158 00:22:54.540 ⇒ 00:23:03.360 Amber Lin: set the how we project manage this way, and how we talk about. If if we think things are not that necessary.
159 00:23:03.460 ⇒ 00:23:07.130 Amber Lin: then like, what do we
160 00:23:07.500 ⇒ 00:23:11.189 Amber Lin: do we? Do we talk about it? How do we
161 00:23:11.310 ⇒ 00:23:18.089 Amber Lin: like have an open discussion? If one of us thinks that okay, this doesn’t. This doesn’t make sense.
162 00:23:20.970 ⇒ 00:23:25.429 Caio Velasco: Yeah, yeah, no, it. I get it. I get it. I think it’s also related to a bit of even.
163 00:23:25.850 ⇒ 00:23:32.490 Caio Velasco: Let’s say, like as a senior engineer, I have experience, then something makes sense.
164 00:23:32.860 ⇒ 00:23:39.929 Caio Velasco: But at the end of the day, when you start to do things, since everything is always complex, it’s hard to
165 00:23:40.260 ⇒ 00:23:42.590 Caio Velasco: to capture, like what is gonna be
166 00:23:42.830 ⇒ 00:23:53.460 Caio Velasco: the the pain point, or or I mean the the Dbt accuracy made total sense to compare that to dashboards, and then deprecate those who are more.
167 00:23:54.010 ⇒ 00:23:57.089 Caio Velasco: But at the end of the day, just doing that part
168 00:23:57.200 ⇒ 00:23:59.769 Caio Velasco: could be like a whole week, and then would be just easier.
169 00:24:00.180 ⇒ 00:24:08.069 Caio Velasco: Okay, we just talk to a few stakeholders, maybe. And we deprecate this and then move forward. Yeah, that could be also a.
170 00:24:08.490 ⇒ 00:24:09.709 Amber Lin: An idea, and then you.
171 00:24:10.250 ⇒ 00:24:11.560 Caio Velasco: For later.
172 00:24:12.020 ⇒ 00:24:16.979 Caio Velasco: But it’s also hard to measure. I mean you, you really have to be expert in
173 00:24:17.100 ⇒ 00:24:21.510 Caio Velasco: very particular topics to know beforehand what’s gonna happen. So it’s a.
174 00:24:22.270 ⇒ 00:24:29.800 Caio Velasco: It’s not really on you, I think. But yeah, managing the project and and kind of trying to break it down. Okay, that I get it.
175 00:24:30.345 ⇒ 00:24:34.389 Caio Velasco: But at the end of the day is the nature of the for the job, I think.
176 00:24:34.550 ⇒ 00:24:37.879 Caio Velasco: more than than the managing the project itself.
177 00:24:38.820 ⇒ 00:24:55.720 Amber Lin: That’s true. I I’m thinking more of like guardrails if something is taking so long. Because I originally we thought the audit was, gonna take 2 h, and we’ll just mark everything and we’re done. And it ended up taking more than a week because we didn’t know what it included. I didn’t put in clear enough
178 00:24:55.720 ⇒ 00:25:12.549 Amber Lin: requirements for what it means to rate them. And so Emily was trapped in actually giving a lot of comments to them. And so if it starts to take a little too long, I think, as a team we could go look at is anything unclear? What are we really stuck on. Is this still worth doing
179 00:25:12.550 ⇒ 00:25:39.340 Amber Lin: and like? Is there any wrong understandings that making it take so long? I think we kind of just let it take longer, because it was a task that needs to be done. But we didn’t really think about. Is this even worth taking the extra week to do it. Because I think, looking back, if we if someone has said, Hey, this is not going to take 2 h, it’s gonna take a whole week. I think we, as a group would just said, Hey, I don’t think we need to do that anymore. It’s gonna take a week.
180 00:25:40.420 ⇒ 00:25:44.200 Emily Giant: I do think that, like it may, it may have been done out of order, but the notes
181 00:25:44.560 ⇒ 00:25:46.319 Emily Giant: in the revenue.
182 00:25:46.320 ⇒ 00:25:46.800 Amber Lin: Calm.
183 00:25:46.800 ⇒ 00:25:55.619 Emily Giant: That we’ll start using will or the other like. So, even though we may have done it at a different time to like make the work.
184 00:25:55.620 ⇒ 00:25:56.330 Amber Lin: Wasn’t.
185 00:25:57.080 ⇒ 00:25:59.509 Emily Giant: It was coming.
186 00:25:59.510 ⇒ 00:26:00.080 Amber Lin: See it.
187 00:26:00.950 ⇒ 00:26:02.490 Amber Lin: It was just okay.
188 00:26:18.180 ⇒ 00:26:18.860 Amber Lin: Okay.
189 00:26:18.860 ⇒ 00:26:24.360 Caio Velasco: And then we could be bring this also to like the the point I put in the next steps, which is.
190 00:26:24.730 ⇒ 00:26:39.499 Caio Velasco: I kind of have an idea of what we wanna do with revenue because we wanna just make things better. Obviously. But today I spent already like a couple of hours and just going through the lean engines like, yeah, this is, gonna take a week and
191 00:26:40.100 ⇒ 00:26:43.169 Caio Velasco: so yeah, I mean, I’m already pointing that out.
192 00:26:44.650 ⇒ 00:26:52.929 Amber Lin: Okay, and the goal for revenue. I think it would be great if we discuss it for
193 00:26:53.150 ⇒ 00:26:55.690 Amber Lin: planning for tomorrow of.
194 00:26:55.820 ⇒ 00:27:24.430 Amber Lin: I I think next cycle for revenue is all gonna be all gonna be about discovery. And then some remaining inventory stuff, especially with the stakeholders. And so I don’t think we have yet a clear deliverable for the audit phase. I know we’re gonna audit it, but I don’t think we know. Are we gonna output a spreadsheet. Are we gonna output like a Google doc with write ups? Are we gonna have links to different code snippets? I don’t think we have that
195 00:27:24.470 ⇒ 00:27:37.129 Amber Lin: yet, and I think if we have that, then we’re not just discovering, because discovering can take indefinitely. But if we have an output in these to create, I think it’ll be a lot easier.
196 00:27:37.700 ⇒ 00:27:39.895 Caio Velasco: Yes, that would be helpful to me, too.
197 00:27:40.533 ⇒ 00:27:44.759 Amber Lin: Okay, so let me say, create
198 00:27:49.800 ⇒ 00:28:00.290 Amber Lin: great concrete, miserable for Rev. Audit.
199 00:28:06.340 ⇒ 00:28:17.380 Amber Lin: Oh, let’s see if Demo added, Joins. I do want to hear from him how things are.
200 00:28:21.680 ⇒ 00:28:26.880 Amber Lin: Okay, we’ll just wait here a little bit more
201 00:28:27.470 ⇒ 00:28:36.070 Amber Lin: feel free to do some other stuff before, and if he joins I will, he will say Hi! And then we can see what he says.
202 00:29:39.138 ⇒ 00:29:48.379 Caio Velasco: Amber. Would you mind if I drop because I had scheduled an appointment for 7, and I would have to leave in like 10 min, or even a bit less.
203 00:29:48.530 ⇒ 00:29:55.950 Amber Lin: Okay, yeah. Totally feel free to drop. Actually, Emily feel free to drop to. I’ll update on
204 00:29:56.160 ⇒ 00:29:58.240 Amber Lin: on what he thinks.
205 00:29:58.240 ⇒ 00:30:00.440 Caio Velasco: Alright. Sounds good, thank you.
206 00:30:00.590 ⇒ 00:30:01.080 Caio Velasco: Thank you.
207 00:30:01.080 ⇒ 00:30:01.889 Caio Velasco: Thank you. Bye-bye.
208 00:30:01.890 ⇒ 00:30:02.610 Amber Lin: Sure.
209 00:35:14.830 ⇒ 00:35:15.819 Demilade Agboola: Hi amber.
210 00:35:17.190 ⇒ 00:35:27.750 Amber Lin: Hello, just do, quick! I just wanted to quickly update you on what people said, and I also wanted to hear from you where you think this ring went, and how we can improve.
211 00:35:29.590 ⇒ 00:35:37.040 Amber Lin: Sorry I kept scheduling at the same time. I just drag things around. I keep forgetting you have eaten. I’m so sorry about that.
212 00:35:37.040 ⇒ 00:35:37.890 Demilade Agboola: Yeah.
213 00:35:40.660 ⇒ 00:35:49.410 Amber Lin: Remove the following events to another time, I think essentially
214 00:35:50.450 ⇒ 00:35:58.700 Amber Lin: sure, I think. Why don’t you? Just we can just talk about it. What you think, what went well and what needs improvement. I think that should be enough for us.
215 00:36:05.240 ⇒ 00:36:12.810 Demilade Agboola: I think what went well was we were able to get clarity on the deprecation, and at least begin a process of deprecation.
216 00:36:13.260 ⇒ 00:36:17.350 Demilade Agboola: So we’re able to get a ton of the like inventory work out the way.
217 00:36:25.833 ⇒ 00:36:31.740 Demilade Agboola: I think being able to show some of the numbers to
218 00:36:32.532 ⇒ 00:36:35.210 Demilade Agboola: philly pay last week was quite helpful.
219 00:36:35.210 ⇒ 00:36:35.770 Amber Lin: Hmm.
220 00:36:35.770 ⇒ 00:36:40.220 Demilade Agboola: Because we’ll back from him, and also
221 00:36:43.980 ⇒ 00:36:50.190 Demilade Agboola: that allows him to see what those numbers are looking like, and also give feedback on like use cases that.
222 00:36:51.190 ⇒ 00:36:54.599 Demilade Agboola: He has better control of the output of the data instead of just giving it to him. He
223 00:36:55.736 ⇒ 00:37:01.810 Demilade Agboola: no, actually, I want the numbers to look this way. That was what went well this week. Or this sprint.
224 00:37:04.030 ⇒ 00:37:10.120 Demilade Agboola: Oh, I think things that could have gone better.
225 00:37:10.776 ⇒ 00:37:16.719 Demilade Agboola: I think some of the deprecation isn’t moving as quickly as it potentially could, so.
226 00:37:16.720 ⇒ 00:37:17.770 Amber Lin: Yeah.
227 00:37:17.770 ⇒ 00:37:26.040 Demilade Agboola: Okay? Yeah. Basically, I think time that we spent on just that
228 00:37:26.170 ⇒ 00:37:39.839 Demilade Agboola: has kind of expanded beyond the initial scope quite a bit. Obviously that the cascading effects is that has limited the amount of time that Kyle has to hop on to revenue.
229 00:37:43.470 ⇒ 00:37:47.600 Demilade Agboola: So that is what I think.
230 00:37:50.460 ⇒ 00:37:54.060 Demilade Agboola: Who’s like? That’s largely what I feel could have gone better.
231 00:37:55.532 ⇒ 00:38:00.010 Demilade Agboola: Then, also, yeah, some of the blame.
232 00:38:04.350 ⇒ 00:38:06.750 Demilade Agboola: Sorry. I’m feeling a bit uncomfortable
233 00:38:06.880 ⇒ 00:38:11.421 Demilade Agboola: like, no, it’s fine. It’s fine. Just needs to drink some water.
234 00:38:13.530 ⇒ 00:38:15.350 Demilade Agboola: have water next to me, so.
235 00:38:15.350 ⇒ 00:38:38.889 Amber Lin: Okay, sounds good. Yeah, I I’ll I’ll talk, drink some water so essentially, I think everybody had the same sentiment as you of the deprecation did take a bit longer than it should have and that the inventory of revenue tickets probably should have been separated from the outset. And that tickets kind of just bulge because of. There’s a lot of things that we don’t know.
236 00:38:39.440 ⇒ 00:38:49.030 Amber Lin: And I think what we decided on, or or at least what I think in terms of project management, or how we plan our cycles
237 00:38:49.200 ⇒ 00:38:57.740 Amber Lin: could be improved, and in terms of when things take a lot longer. Say this deprecation work cause
238 00:38:58.650 ⇒ 00:39:20.999 Amber Lin: afterwards. I remember, Zack said, we can take. He’s ready to take big cuts, which means we probably didn’t even have to be that careful of meaning. We probably out of the 800 600 could just been knocked out without asking stakeholders, and then they probably have 5 to 10 that they want back, and then we can put it back. That would have saved a week to 2 weeks on our end.
239 00:39:21.440 ⇒ 00:39:30.470 Amber Lin: and especially when and and when things take longer than they should, such as the Dbt audit ticket
240 00:39:31.270 ⇒ 00:39:38.560 Amber Lin: I feel like we could have used. We. We could have re reevaluated and said, Okay, why is this taking so long?
241 00:39:38.740 ⇒ 00:39:46.150 Amber Lin: If it takes a week instead of 2 h, would we still want to do it? And I think if we asked Zack.
242 00:39:46.280 ⇒ 00:40:05.750 Amber Lin: hey? If we do it more carefully, it’s gonna take 2 weeks than 2 h. He probably would have said, I don’t need you to be that careful. He probably wants our time to work on inventory and revenue. I feel like we. We didn’t think about it, and we just continued doing it because it was in cycle.
243 00:40:07.640 ⇒ 00:40:11.519 Demilade Agboola: That’s fair enough. I think, being able to
244 00:40:11.960 ⇒ 00:40:17.920 Demilade Agboola: reorient ourselves. Within the cycle was also very helpful.
245 00:40:19.848 ⇒ 00:40:27.650 Demilade Agboola: Yeah, I, yeah, I I do see how that could be a thing where we need to like. If things are in cycle taking a bit of time.
246 00:40:28.521 ⇒ 00:40:34.990 Demilade Agboola: I do agree that. Yeah, with the deprecation. We’re really cautious, because, you know, I guess we don’t want to like, you know.
247 00:40:35.270 ⇒ 00:40:37.889 Demilade Agboola: Pardon my French fuck things up, but
248 00:40:39.371 ⇒ 00:40:43.300 Demilade Agboola: I guess ultimately, if they’re willing to
249 00:40:44.970 ⇒ 00:40:50.099 Demilade Agboola: potentially not mind one or 2 miscategorizations.
250 00:40:50.720 ⇒ 00:40:55.329 Demilade Agboola: If he gets rid of 200 or 300 other like
251 00:40:55.730 ⇒ 00:41:00.549 Demilade Agboola: unnecessary dashboards, or whatever, or I guess that’s the
252 00:41:00.800 ⇒ 00:41:04.289 Demilade Agboola: that will be the price they have to pay, or they are fine paying.
253 00:41:05.066 ⇒ 00:41:06.359 Demilade Agboola: So yeah.
254 00:41:10.800 ⇒ 00:41:11.550 Amber Lin: Yeah.
255 00:41:11.800 ⇒ 00:41:16.909 Demilade Agboola: I guess. Yeah, just faster, and just not caring, I will say, not caring, but not as
256 00:41:18.220 ⇒ 00:41:21.129 Demilade Agboola: Cautious, you know. Does that need to know? Like.
257 00:41:21.640 ⇒ 00:41:22.370 Amber Lin: Yeah.
258 00:41:22.370 ⇒ 00:41:23.300 Demilade Agboola: Things. Yeah.
259 00:41:24.190 ⇒ 00:41:25.070 Amber Lin: I agree.
260 00:41:25.641 ⇒ 00:41:28.230 Amber Lin: What do you think we should?
261 00:41:28.590 ⇒ 00:41:32.979 Amber Lin: We should take note for the next cycle.
262 00:41:34.330 ⇒ 00:41:43.610 Demilade Agboola: I think, for the next cycle. What I I really want, which is kind of part of the questions I was asking Emily today, we want us to get numbers in front of the stakeholders.
263 00:41:45.200 ⇒ 00:41:57.950 Demilade Agboola: That to me is really high priority in the sense of. I want the team to be able to say, Hey, the numbers that we’ve been able to get from this brain forge partnership
264 00:41:58.300 ⇒ 00:42:01.079 Demilade Agboola: has allowed us to be able to, you know.
265 00:42:01.240 ⇒ 00:42:05.009 Demilade Agboola: track better inventory, because, like Felipe said it on the call last week that you.
266 00:42:05.800 ⇒ 00:42:14.499 Demilade Agboola: But after having to go through so many places and put the crunch them together to get the numbers that he needs, and so, if we can
267 00:42:14.620 ⇒ 00:42:32.489 Demilade Agboola: give him the numbers in a dashboard that all he has to do is just look at it and make the decisions he needs to make concerning inventory. Same thing with Perry cause these are your inventory users. If they can make those decisions. I think Perry is focused on forecasting Philippines
268 00:42:32.980 ⇒ 00:42:36.170 Demilade Agboola: like the present. He’s focused on like the numbers as they are.
269 00:42:37.350 ⇒ 00:42:40.959 Demilade Agboola: If we can give them those numbers and they can start to use them.
270 00:42:42.410 ⇒ 00:42:43.730 Demilade Agboola: I think that’s a huge win.
271 00:42:44.090 ⇒ 00:42:44.850 Amber Lin: Yeah.
272 00:42:45.860 ⇒ 00:42:57.440 Amber Lin: yeah, I totally understand. And in terms of that, I can help you. Do you want to just include them in the working sessions? Or would you also want to have another meeting like that.
273 00:42:57.670 ⇒ 00:43:07.130 Amber Lin: like like what we had last Thursday on this Thursday? Like? What would what would allow you to do that, and I can book all those meetings and make sure they happen.
274 00:43:08.068 ⇒ 00:43:10.060 Demilade Agboola: Yeah. So I I mean.
275 00:43:10.350 ⇒ 00:43:13.520 Demilade Agboola: we’re gonna add Philippa to the call to tomorrow.
276 00:43:14.710 ⇒ 00:43:18.159 Demilade Agboola: Talk to me about that the working session tomorrow?
277 00:43:18.460 ⇒ 00:43:20.030 Demilade Agboola: Yeah, I’m sure.
278 00:43:20.030 ⇒ 00:43:22.269 Amber Lin: Few other stakeholders, too, though.
279 00:43:22.640 ⇒ 00:43:30.910 Demilade Agboola: Yeah. But I think for inventory I would confirm from memory again. But I believe for inventory. The main stakeholders are Perry and Felipe.
280 00:43:32.760 ⇒ 00:43:33.760 Demilade Agboola: Okay.
281 00:43:33.960 ⇒ 00:43:40.669 Demilade Agboola: the main ones. I’m not saying the only ones, but the main ones are parents. I I do think that
282 00:43:41.290 ⇒ 00:43:44.280 Demilade Agboola: if we run the numbers by him tomorrow.
283 00:43:45.210 ⇒ 00:43:48.670 Demilade Agboola: And you know he looks at them, and he’s like these numbers are fine.
284 00:43:49.369 ⇒ 00:43:53.460 Demilade Agboola: I know we’re not the ones implementing the looker dashboard.
285 00:43:53.660 ⇒ 00:44:00.355 Demilade Agboola: but I I think either talking to Philippi. I don’t know if he built his dashboards himself, or if that’s a thing.
286 00:44:01.140 ⇒ 00:44:02.030 Demilade Agboola: That
287 00:44:03.005 ⇒ 00:44:11.320 Demilade Agboola: Perry does that like, I’ll figure out who builds their dashboards need to kind of push that into into scope.
288 00:44:11.560 ⇒ 00:44:12.400 Demilade Agboola: you know, like.
289 00:44:13.170 ⇒ 00:44:15.479 Demilade Agboola: Get them to start using those numbers.
290 00:44:15.560 ⇒ 00:44:19.601 Amber Lin: Yeah, do you think it’ll be helpful this Thursday?
291 00:44:20.180 ⇒ 00:44:33.590 Amber Lin: to use that? Because currently I have one schedule with all of the different data stakeholders. We can use this Thursday’s 30 min meeting to tell them. Hey, inventory numbers are ready. Here are
292 00:44:33.960 ⇒ 00:44:37.710 Amber Lin: 3 ways. You can use them, or
293 00:44:37.840 ⇒ 00:44:49.450 Amber Lin: here is a dashboard that we’re planning to build, and you can use that just to use that meeting as like a presentation of our current inventory plans. Would that work.
294 00:44:50.080 ⇒ 00:44:50.565 Demilade Agboola: Yeah.
295 00:44:51.050 ⇒ 00:44:51.600 Amber Lin: Okay.
296 00:44:52.000 ⇒ 00:44:56.329 Demilade Agboola: Yeah, that that definitely will work. I think we can use it as a
297 00:44:56.990 ⇒ 00:45:06.250 Demilade Agboola: just a way to explain what we’ve been doing this past couple of months, and just explain where our data lives in their instance, like in their redshift.
298 00:45:06.250 ⇒ 00:45:08.519 Amber Lin: Okay, yeah, that would be great.
299 00:45:08.520 ⇒ 00:45:09.889 Demilade Agboola: Levels of that data.
300 00:45:10.190 ⇒ 00:45:12.839 Amber Lin: Okay, yeah, I’m happy. I’m happy with that.
301 00:45:13.170 ⇒ 00:45:13.920 Demilade Agboola: There we go!
302 00:45:14.750 ⇒ 00:45:15.880 Amber Lin: All right.
303 00:45:16.310 ⇒ 00:45:17.260 Demilade Agboola: That’s good.
304 00:45:17.260 ⇒ 00:45:19.559 Demilade Agboola: I think one of the things is we’ve been
305 00:45:19.710 ⇒ 00:45:22.679 Demilade Agboola: this this. We’ve been there for a month now.
306 00:45:23.810 ⇒ 00:45:27.250 Demilade Agboola: And I I want us to be able to show some level.
307 00:45:27.250 ⇒ 00:45:27.670 Amber Lin: Yeah.
308 00:45:28.090 ⇒ 00:45:32.520 Demilade Agboola: It’s I want, like, obviously, you know, there’s still more to come.
309 00:45:32.630 ⇒ 00:45:40.289 Demilade Agboola: But I want people to be able to see the numbers that we’re able to turn out and go over in safe hands, you know.
310 00:45:41.090 ⇒ 00:45:42.889 Demilade Agboola: Because I I don’t want us to go
311 00:45:43.970 ⇒ 00:45:50.999 Demilade Agboola: like 2 months. And then it’s like, okay. So we’ve been paying Brainforge this amount of money for the past 2 months.
312 00:45:51.720 ⇒ 00:45:56.570 Demilade Agboola: Aspect of it like, how have the how has the money translated into.
313 00:45:57.480 ⇒ 00:46:04.909 Demilade Agboola: This decision of business impact. So that for me is heavy, like, I really want us to be able to have that done.
314 00:46:05.407 ⇒ 00:46:10.269 Demilade Agboola: So that even if it’s just a thing of like, Hey, we’re seeing numbers
315 00:46:11.030 ⇒ 00:46:20.769 Demilade Agboola: that like I I don’t know if you you know this, but in the prior phase. When we like putting out numbers, we realized that they had issues with some of their inventory before, but.
316 00:46:20.770 ⇒ 00:46:21.170 Amber Lin: Hmm.
317 00:46:21.230 ⇒ 00:46:29.849 Demilade Agboola: What’s allowed us to see that because we’re getting negative numbers from things that should not be negative, and they have to dig deeper and figure out, oh, something is wrong here.
318 00:46:30.350 ⇒ 00:46:35.049 Demilade Agboola: Able to do that as well will be very helpful, for, like, you know, this phase
319 00:46:35.180 ⇒ 00:46:46.209 Demilade Agboola: and then have that visibility is is very important. So yeah, I think for Thursday, I’ll prepare some slides about what we’ve done, what the numbers are, where they live.
320 00:46:46.773 ⇒ 00:46:50.329 Demilade Agboola: And the use cases in which, like you know, they work.
321 00:46:51.000 ⇒ 00:46:51.510 Amber Lin: Okay.
322 00:46:51.510 ⇒ 00:46:52.569 Demilade Agboola: No, they can all.
323 00:46:52.570 ⇒ 00:46:53.180 Amber Lin: Yeah.
324 00:46:53.400 ⇒ 00:47:05.669 Amber Lin: Do you need any help on the slides? I I know we we a brain 1st has a template for slides. So actually, let me go. Send that to you if that would help, and if you need me to help edit them.
325 00:47:05.830 ⇒ 00:47:08.220 Amber Lin: I can help with that, too.
326 00:47:11.180 ⇒ 00:47:16.849 Amber Lin: Actually, actually, I’m just gonna send you Robert’s
327 00:47:17.170 ⇒ 00:47:22.229 Amber Lin: deck. I think he did it pretty well. I think it looks really nice.
328 00:47:22.430 ⇒ 00:47:26.920 Amber Lin: so I’ll I’ll find that I’ll send it to you, and then we can.
329 00:47:29.230 ⇒ 00:47:31.419 Amber Lin: We can use that as a template.
330 00:47:32.580 ⇒ 00:47:40.980 Demilade Agboola: Okay, that’s fine. You can send it to me. I’ll look at it, and I’ll take it to fit urban stems, and then I’ll send it back, maybe Wednesday, so
331 00:47:40.980 ⇒ 00:47:44.510 Demilade Agboola: sure before the call.
332 00:47:46.340 ⇒ 00:47:55.259 Amber Lin: sounds great. It’s actually, for read me. So I’ll send you that slide. It has pretty good templates. It has templates at the bottom as well.
333 00:47:55.400 ⇒ 00:47:59.009 Amber Lin: so feel free to use them. It should make it a bit faster.
334 00:47:59.410 ⇒ 00:48:01.069 Demilade Agboola: Okay. Sounds good.
335 00:48:01.070 ⇒ 00:48:06.140 Amber Lin: Yeah, thank you so much. I’ll send this. I’ll send a recap in our channel.
336 00:48:06.610 ⇒ 00:48:07.320 Demilade Agboola: Alright, sounds.
337 00:48:07.320 ⇒ 00:48:09.210 Amber Lin: Alright, bye.