Meeting Title: US x BF | Sprint Retro Date: 2025-06-09 Meeting participants: Demilade Agboola, Emily Giant, Caio Velasco, Alex K, Amber Lin, Uttam Kumaran


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1 00:01:36.480 00:01:40.000 Alex K: Hey? Good morning, or afternoon or evening, wherever you are.

2 00:01:41.010 00:01:42.290 Emily Giant: Hello! Hello!

3 00:01:42.770 00:01:43.620 Caio Velasco: Wonderful.

4 00:01:49.860 00:01:50.850 Amber Lin: Everyone.

5 00:01:51.020 00:01:54.330 Amber Lin: I’m going to share a

6 00:01:55.520 00:02:02.730 Amber Lin: big jam board with everybody, so we usually do our retros, and we start off by having everybody

7 00:02:02.950 00:02:10.139 Amber Lin: write down what they say, and then we reconvene.

8 00:02:13.470 00:02:15.899 Amber Lin: and we don’t want to pick up in Q. 3.

9 00:02:16.160 00:02:17.170 Amber Lin: The broadband.

10 00:02:20.548 00:02:30.540 Amber Lin: I will drop it and do that job like a webinar.

11 00:02:33.350 00:02:34.440 Amber Lin: Hey? You’re right.

12 00:02:35.440 00:02:35.954 Amber Lin: Yeah.

13 00:02:37.510 00:02:43.110 Amber Lin: And Alex, to give you a very quick recap of this cycle.

14 00:02:43.740 00:02:48.350 Amber Lin: So therefore we’re at the last day of the cycle.

15 00:02:48.570 00:02:52.330 Amber Lin: We have pretty much everything going for a few last

16 00:02:52.670 00:02:59.370 Amber Lin: marking and flagging different models. So all these tasks are on track

17 00:03:00.110 00:03:16.420 Amber Lin: place for this cycle, mostly. What we did is we audited workflows. We were able to mark them based on criteria that we agreed upon usage and how they’re used in

18 00:03:16.590 00:03:18.970 Amber Lin: how they relate to the Dvp. Models.

19 00:03:19.540 00:03:37.889 Amber Lin: and then we also have a few ad hoc tasks that came up. Stakeholder requested, so that I double check with our notion to check on our progress that we planned on. And we’re we’re good with that, and tomorrow we’ll have a kick off

20 00:03:38.050 00:03:42.409 Amber Lin: for the next cycle, which will will

21 00:03:42.540 00:03:51.779 Amber Lin: continue on the inventory as well.

22 00:03:52.930 00:03:56.590 Amber Lin: Just a quick recap of what we did, disciple.

23 00:03:56.790 00:04:08.070 Amber Lin: And then, can everybody confirm? You have access to with a big jump.

24 00:04:10.959 00:04:11.849 Emily Giant: Yes.

25 00:04:11.950 00:04:13.889 Demilade Agboola: Yes, I have access as well.

26 00:04:13.890 00:04:14.950 Caio Velasco: Yes, gorgeous.

27 00:04:15.570 00:04:18.000 Amber Lin: Awesome. So

28 00:04:18.390 00:04:33.420 Amber Lin: I’ll leave it to everyone, just to brainstorm. So we’ll stick with step one. So we have a category for what? Well, and what problems should be face in the process.

29 00:04:33.840 00:04:42.665 Amber Lin: And I’ll set a 5 min or 4 to 5 min timer, and then we will.

30 00:04:46.090 00:04:49.170 Amber Lin: Yeah, probably not.

31 00:04:49.990 00:04:52.249 Alex K: I’m just observing, unless anybody wants my.

32 00:04:52.250 00:04:52.570 Amber Lin: Yeah.

33 00:04:52.570 00:04:56.620 Alex K: On here, but I wasn’t part of this sprint. So I just wanna I’m just here to like to

34 00:04:56.780 00:04:57.280 Alex K: hang on.

35 00:04:57.280 00:05:01.680 Amber Lin: Awesome. Yeah, this will. This will catch you up. So I think this is a great one to be at.

36 00:05:07.130 00:05:09.339 Alex K: What did you say? The timer was? 5 min.

37 00:05:09.590 00:05:18.280 Amber Lin: Yeah, I’ll send it back.

38 00:05:18.620 00:05:19.390 Demilade Agboola: So.

39 00:05:20.850 00:05:24.070 Emily Giant: On the board, but I’m trying to figure out where the section is.

40 00:05:24.070 00:05:33.460 Amber Lin: I’m sorry it’s in sprint one. So if you go on on okay.

41 00:05:33.460 00:05:34.170 Emily Giant: Gotcha.

42 00:05:34.170 00:05:39.930 Amber Lin: Virtual board and in sprint one, and let’s stick with step one.

43 00:05:40.480 00:05:44.820 Amber Lin: Can. I just have your if he has to do this thing

44 00:05:48.520 00:05:52.739 Amber Lin: to our business and through, maybe.

45 00:05:53.900 00:06:00.611 Amber Lin: Oh, no, wrote. Now we’re right right across the river.

46 00:06:03.646 00:06:07.379 Amber Lin: My house, what happens to?

47 00:06:08.060 00:06:19.690 Amber Lin: Oh, please, yeah. So yeah, it would be done for 2 weeks. I don’t know for the east bank.

48 00:06:21.200 00:06:23.540 Amber Lin: Oh, okay, we

49 00:06:26.850 00:06:30.020 Amber Lin: act directly on literally

50 00:06:33.770 00:06:34.730 Amber Lin: very cool.

51 00:06:36.710 00:06:39.600 Amber Lin: My house down New Orleans.

52 00:06:39.600 00:06:41.110 Demilade Agboola: Jesus, fucking Christ.

53 00:06:43.990 00:06:45.570 Amber Lin: What happened?

54 00:06:49.000 00:06:49.840 Amber Lin: Quota.

55 00:06:55.940 00:07:03.310 Emily Giant: I don’t think I have edit access because I’ve been trying to click into these stickies, and it won’t let me do anything. Comment.

56 00:07:03.490 00:07:04.680 Amber Lin: Oh, really.

57 00:07:08.012 00:07:21.949 Amber Lin: just hearing key 5, maybe. Just try and click to add another sticky. Just drag drag another sticky in.

58 00:07:22.960 00:07:24.429 Amber Lin: I’ll see if I can.

59 00:07:26.770 00:07:30.940 Amber Lin: From the bottom a sticky bottom.

60 00:07:31.920 00:07:33.610 Amber Lin: R. Crazy R.

61 00:07:34.280 00:07:37.110 Emily Giant: I had to send a request for edit access.

62 00:07:37.420 00:07:43.410 Amber Lin: But I don’t know refresh. I think I did edit that the refresh

63 00:07:58.010 00:07:59.699 Amber Lin: so I still need to be.

64 00:08:00.040 00:08:06.450 Amber Lin: Oh, I think it’s like a permission issue for okay.

65 00:08:10.770 00:08:19.680 Amber Lin: we’ll we’ll just do another 2 additional minutes after Colin did. We’ll just okay.

66 00:08:24.060 00:08:26.520 Amber Lin: Then I’ll find a different one time.

67 00:08:29.210 00:08:31.220 Amber Lin: Were you able to add comments.

68 00:08:33.650 00:08:36.590 Emily Giant: I can add a comment. I can’t write in the Stickies, though.

69 00:08:36.860 00:08:42.240 Amber Lin: I see. Let’s just add comments, for now and then. Next time we’ll find a better.

70 00:08:42.440 00:08:43.970 Amber Lin: or that we can all use.

71 00:08:44.260 00:08:45.400 Emily Giant: It sounds good.

72 00:09:40.860 00:09:41.900 Amber Lin: Please, mute as well.

73 00:09:44.310 00:09:48.670 Amber Lin: Hey, this is one of my, okay, we love it.

74 00:09:50.050 00:09:50.750 Amber Lin: Okay.

75 00:09:55.740 00:09:57.729 Amber Lin: yeah, it’s like, yeah.

76 00:10:01.210 00:10:02.829 Amber Lin: come to work.

77 00:10:08.540 00:10:13.010 Amber Lin: Yeah, yeah, but not really.

78 00:10:13.370 00:10:14.370 Amber Lin: Yeah.

79 00:10:34.080 00:10:35.680 Amber Lin: Okay.

80 00:10:36.350 00:10:37.560 Amber Lin: Thumbs up

81 00:10:39.380 00:10:47.530 Amber Lin: only, are you able to put any stamps on anything? You know that on the bottom the column

82 00:10:48.950 00:10:50.439 Amber Lin: there is a list?

83 00:10:53.690 00:10:55.600 Amber Lin: B equals 2.

84 00:10:55.700 00:10:56.690 Amber Lin: Do I need.

85 00:10:57.630 00:11:00.119 Emily Giant: I think I I see

86 00:11:01.420 00:11:09.309 Emily Giant: like a an emoji sticker, and at and a picture upload sticker. But that is it.

87 00:11:09.960 00:11:10.630 Amber Lin: Hmm.

88 00:11:12.540 00:11:20.010 Amber Lin: I see. Okay, were you able to put any stickers on any of those emojis, any of the stickies?

89 00:11:20.620 00:11:23.540 Amber Lin: For example, if I would like to agree.

90 00:11:24.323 00:11:25.010 Amber Lin: I did.

91 00:11:27.000 00:11:31.139 Amber Lin: You can put it here only with Strand.

92 00:11:33.084 00:11:35.219 Amber Lin: It’s not all this.

93 00:11:39.470 00:11:40.550 Amber Lin: They’re like

94 00:11:44.710 00:11:52.870 Amber Lin: a minute, and everybody can read what everyone else wrote, and then we’ll discuss yeah.

95 00:11:54.670 00:11:56.649 Amber Lin: timer, and we’ll be back in 1 min.

96 00:12:02.066 00:12:02.913 Amber Lin: Well.

97 00:12:42.400 00:12:43.120 Amber Lin: this is the way

98 00:12:56.590 00:12:57.310 Amber Lin: worse.

99 00:13:05.280 00:13:08.889 Amber Lin: Oh, my God, yeah.

100 00:13:10.210 00:13:10.940 Amber Lin: 100.

101 00:13:17.930 00:13:19.699 Amber Lin: Stopping it from February.

102 00:13:24.160 00:13:26.650 Amber Lin: yeah, 50 degrees.

103 00:13:26.870 00:13:30.780 Amber Lin: Okay? I’m gonna bring

104 00:13:31.680 00:13:41.120 Amber Lin: to run through what went well. And then maybe we can each discuss the problems that we face. And we can focus our discussion on

105 00:13:41.310 00:13:50.540 Amber Lin: how to continue what we did last and how to improve on what needs, what needs improvement.

106 00:13:52.510 00:13:56.290 Amber Lin: So, looking at what went. Well, I think we were.

107 00:13:56.410 00:14:03.460 Amber Lin: The work was pretty smooth, so kind of got access pretty easily, and then we were able to get

108 00:14:03.690 00:14:13.579 Amber Lin: the all the sources without major delays or hiccups, and I think we arrived based on this point. I think we arrived at a really good spot

109 00:14:14.010 00:14:15.230 Amber Lin: to

110 00:14:16.050 00:14:32.579 Amber Lin: to carry out those deprecations which we’re very excited because they are tangible business impact. And we actually did start to do some deprecation today to turn off some of them today we’ll deprecate them

111 00:14:34.080 00:14:37.339 Amber Lin: in a bit of time and say, a week or 2.

112 00:14:39.170 00:14:39.930 Amber Lin: The chat.

113 00:14:42.030 00:14:46.659 Amber Lin: Yeah, I think overall, this team works really well together. We’re very communicative.

114 00:14:46.780 00:14:51.799 Amber Lin: and we’re meeting daily. So any blockers don’t really rather be cool.

115 00:14:52.736 00:14:58.069 Amber Lin: Any blockers don’t really last more than a day, which is really helpful in terms of

116 00:14:59.660 00:15:06.320 Amber Lin: I just wanna stop there for anyone to, I guess, for everyone to chime in about how they feel.

117 00:15:08.630 00:15:09.350 Amber Lin: Oh.

118 00:15:09.785 00:15:20.579 Demilade Agboola: I think from my end I think the sprint went pretty well. It’s sort of the 1st brains where there’s a lot of auditing. And so the

119 00:15:20.930 00:15:39.080 Demilade Agboola: the outcome is more of like, how well set up you are, for, like the forthcoming sprints, and I think we’re in a good spot. I think we’re able to like. Get I/O access quickly for most things. We’re able to meet regularly, tackle any block as quickly

120 00:15:39.760 00:15:48.880 Demilade Agboola: and I think, you know, the sprint has basically set us up well, for, like a a good second sprint and subsequent sprints, I guess.

121 00:16:01.092 00:16:03.419 Amber Lin: Kyle, any input from you and Emily.

122 00:16:05.310 00:16:11.529 Caio Velasco: Yeah, on my end. I I definitely agree with them rather and I think not only with

123 00:16:11.610 00:16:39.219 Caio Velasco: clients in brain forward, but also previous experiences that I had. I can clearly see that because of how urban stems approach this, we can move quickly. So I think that’s definitely important, because, honestly, other clients were not like that. So I think that’s super helpful. I feel that we can move forward, that we can answer questions we can communicate easily when we need to. So for those things definitely, it’s a plus that for me, was the best thing on this cycle. So far.

124 00:16:45.500 00:16:45.970 Amber Lin: Yeah.

125 00:16:45.970 00:16:48.930 Emily Giant: Not a lot to add. I think everyone summed it up pretty well.

126 00:16:49.470 00:16:53.720 Amber Lin: You know, like your, yeah.

127 00:16:53.720 00:16:54.249 Demilade Agboola: So I also think.

128 00:16:54.250 00:16:54.660 Amber Lin: Something.

129 00:16:54.660 00:17:12.379 Demilade Agboola: To add, is the creation of I didn’t type it there. I just thought of it now, but the creation of some like open stems documentation, and being able to bring some of the things that have been hidden to the forefront, so that you can kind of see all all that you know the infrastructure contains.

130 00:17:12.500 00:17:21.380 Amber Lin: Yeah, so continue on good documentation.

131 00:17:21.490 00:17:40.679 Amber Lin: And, Kyle, I really wanted to thank you for that and everything so so organized. And you’ve already seen how much has enabled us to mark what we need to deprecate, to offer all those sources. So you have been such such a great addition to the team enabled.

132 00:17:42.470 00:17:52.769 Caio Velasco: Thank you. Thank you. I appreciate. I think if we keep things organized which I like document always, I think it’s always help. So I’m glad to do that, and I’m glad I have the space as well.

133 00:17:52.770 00:17:54.076 Amber Lin: Same time.

134 00:17:59.480 00:18:05.409 Amber Lin: So think we know what we did. Well, let’s talk about what we can do

135 00:18:06.040 00:18:16.369 Amber Lin: even better for next sprint, and I can start off on what I have reflected on on the Pm. Side, and I think what a few things that would help us.

136 00:18:16.850 00:18:26.479 Amber Lin: and 1st of all in terms of stand ups the 1st few standups that go longer when 30 min.

137 00:18:27.360 00:18:32.090 Amber Lin: So today we were able to. And also this was really good.

138 00:18:32.570 00:18:33.780 Amber Lin: And

139 00:18:35.860 00:18:43.409 Amber Lin: I I think one of the items that came up to me to improve that would be to update all the statuses and mark everything

140 00:18:44.190 00:18:54.530 Amber Lin: before we’re at the beginning of the the stand up. So we can prioritize what we talk about and not have to go through each and individual ticket.

141 00:18:55.400 00:19:04.419 Amber Lin: So that’s that’s 1 point from me and someone else take. Take on the mic and talk about what they feel.

142 00:19:07.335 00:19:10.040 Demilade Agboola: What do you feel about that points, or just any other points.

143 00:19:10.040 00:19:15.500 Amber Lin: Or just any other point to bring up or to comment on that involved.

144 00:19:16.240 00:19:21.960 Demilade Agboola: Sure, I think from my end the couple of things that I noticed were just like how to

145 00:19:22.590 00:19:35.890 Demilade Agboola: balance previously agreed on tickets versus like, you know, ad hoc tickets that came up during the spring. Creating a process around that. And a prioritization system would be very helpful.

146 00:19:37.710 00:19:41.239 Demilade Agboola: Also in terms of

147 00:19:42.007 00:19:50.349 Demilade Agboola: I mean, there was. This is not necessarily something that’s repeatable, but like it’s just. There was a bit of an issue with getting access to Kyle, for

148 00:19:50.350 00:19:50.940 Demilade Agboola: let’s

149 00:19:50.940 00:20:04.139 Demilade Agboola: in particular. But that was resolved in about like 2 days. It wasn’t like instant, but that was also something I noticed. And I think, in terms of another thing, I also thought of intent in this sprint. Is that

150 00:20:04.841 00:20:29.800 Demilade Agboola: like I kind of mentioned when I said things that went well. This sort of sprint is like the slow burn sprint, so like it’s not necessarily like heavy impact sprints in terms of like the Alputes to urban stems or the business like it’s not stuff that Perry is like. Oh, or whatever stakeholder is like. Oh, there’s, you know, bring forges here. So sometimes it can be hard to like

151 00:20:30.800 00:20:44.669 Demilade Agboola: work, those sprints, but those these are like the very important sprints that we know set us up for like success and like over the next couple of sprints. It’s not necessarily something we can do, because, like, you know, that’s part of the auditing. But you know.

152 00:20:45.133 00:20:56.099 Demilade Agboola: just potentially, you know, maybe getting outputs faster could be helpful. But like we’re, you know, that stuff we’re working on and trying to, you know, turn out to the, to the urban stems team.

153 00:21:00.880 00:21:01.580 Amber Lin: No.

154 00:21:02.500 00:21:14.719 Amber Lin: thank you. I think I put that down as I’m I’m just taking notes and under the big slot and step 3. So I think what I took notes from that is

155 00:21:15.272 00:21:19.699 Amber Lin: to work around the business output, but also be very diligent.

156 00:21:19.970 00:21:27.405 Amber Lin: What we’re trying to scope in these sort of auditing discovery.

157 00:21:28.460 00:21:31.860 Amber Lin: Sprints probably

158 00:21:37.520 00:21:39.647 Amber Lin: also wanted to get.

159 00:21:40.690 00:21:41.420 Demilade Agboola: But it doesn’t.

160 00:21:41.420 00:21:47.010 Demilade Agboola: You can say, yeah, just basically those things. Just being able to figure out

161 00:21:48.000 00:21:50.600 Demilade Agboola: the balance between the current and like

162 00:21:50.820 00:21:55.280 Demilade Agboola: the current plan versus you know at what plant? Yes.

163 00:21:55.280 00:22:22.680 Amber Lin: Yeah, yeah. And that that one. I think it also relates to how we are. I wanted to talk about the ticket hygiene and how we create and it’s totally fine, because it’s our 1st 1st sprint together. We didn’t. We didn’t define how we’re gonna deal with ad hoc tickets as they come up. So I think this is a great opportunity for us to discuss how we’re gonna going to balance them. And I think this is perfect, because, Emily, you brought up a few points.

164 00:22:23.066 00:22:27.220 Amber Lin: That was frustrating for you, so I would love to hear you expand on that.

165 00:22:30.910 00:22:36.759 Emily Giant: Yeah, I think that a lot of them had to do with what demalade was saying.

166 00:22:37.190 00:22:40.389 Emily Giant: Mostly like, my role is balancing these

167 00:22:40.700 00:22:58.159 Emily Giant: priority. One tickets that are coming in from our internal teams and figuring out, like the most efficient way to enable them to do their work without derailing our sprint plan, and it’s hard, because I know that, like some of the things are going to block

168 00:22:58.950 00:23:06.490 Emily Giant: parts of the business from operating but to do it fast and to like.

169 00:23:06.840 00:23:11.370 Emily Giant: wipe out the sprint that we’re currently working on couldn’t

170 00:23:11.840 00:23:40.170 Emily Giant: make it a bad fix. So it’s just like a propagating wastes of time. So my frustration, the sprint was trying to figure out what was the minimum viable product to enable business owners to do their jobs at urban stems while leveraging brain forge to expedite that process without derailing what needs to be done to like do the foundational work. And I think that that’s going to continue to be

171 00:23:40.430 00:23:44.780 Emily Giant: something that we’re dealing with. Every sprint. And

172 00:23:47.030 00:23:52.144 Emily Giant: I look forward to like working together, to figure out how to structure that

173 00:23:52.690 00:23:55.640 Emily Giant: there’s just so many broken things.

174 00:23:55.640 00:24:06.179 Amber Lin: Yeah, and something that came to our mind. And we talked about this in our when we’re doing our internal project management meetings. And

175 00:24:06.450 00:24:25.580 Amber Lin: I think we should reserve 20 to 40% capacity for those ad hoc course that come up. So whatever we plan in the cycle mostly will still get done. Because we just created right now, we created a new project in linear to keep track of all those ad hoc tasks.

176 00:24:25.810 00:24:42.749 Amber Lin: And I think they’re they’re currently hovering about like 20 to 40%. And I think, having that capacity where you can just add whatever tickets we need will give you a lot more security, and like comfort in being able to add them.

177 00:24:43.230 00:24:52.220 Emily Giant: Yeah, I think that like 40%, I would say that 90% of my time this past sprint was dedicated to internal urban stem fixes.

178 00:24:52.220 00:24:53.309 Amber Lin: To get like.

179 00:24:53.310 00:25:15.199 Emily Giant: Business owners up and running. So it made it really difficult for me to push forward the work in linear one of the other things that like. And maybe this is for like later on in this, retro is having maybe a standing meeting one of the things that like I came up against was like, I know that Demo has a lot of insights

180 00:25:15.920 00:25:32.789 Emily Giant: business, but like when we talk at 1030 by 11, it’s almost the end of his day. And so we have to like push that conversation to the next day. I don’t know if, like, maybe it’s every other day like 9 to 10 or 8 to 10. I do like.

181 00:25:33.110 00:25:36.759 Emily Giant: yeah, I can bring of work.

182 00:25:36.760 00:25:37.140 Amber Lin: And.

183 00:25:37.140 00:25:43.369 Emily Giant: Every single morning, or, however, we would structure it to a time when, like, we’re on good.

184 00:25:43.370 00:25:44.330 Amber Lin: Yeah.

185 00:25:44.330 00:25:45.740 Emily Giant: Time, zone, hygiene.

186 00:25:46.010 00:25:56.280 Amber Lin: So on that. So that would be like a kind of like a working session together before our.

187 00:25:57.180 00:26:04.779 Emily Giant: Something like that, whether it’s an hour or 45 min even to get Kyle up to speed, like I know it won’t take long, but, like

188 00:26:05.140 00:26:06.730 Emily Giant: our business cases, are really.

189 00:26:06.730 00:26:07.360 Amber Lin: Pretty useful.

190 00:26:07.360 00:26:07.710 Emily Giant: Week

191 00:26:08.520 00:26:24.850 Emily Giant: up to speed. I feel like he could probably like take off running with some of the the flows. But I just want to make sure that, like, we’re continuing to like all get on the same page with like future work that needs done because the future work

192 00:26:24.990 00:26:28.919 Emily Giant: keep becoming the current work because of like p. 1 tickets

193 00:26:29.530 00:26:32.980 Emily Giant: with internal stakeholders, for, like interim fixes

194 00:26:35.010 00:26:38.070 Emily Giant: one way or the other, I think it would be helpful for me to

195 00:26:38.730 00:26:47.990 Emily Giant: more partnered work on the modeling in the morning. Everyone’s like not working at 11 o’clock to resolve.

196 00:26:47.990 00:26:48.480 Amber Lin: Cool.

197 00:26:48.790 00:26:52.480 Emily Giant: And get my 90% down to like

198 00:26:52.480 00:27:05.650 Emily Giant: a 75%, so that I can not be a blocker on this foundational work. But right now I feel like I am the blocker with moving forward, because I have no time to.

199 00:27:05.650 00:27:06.030 Amber Lin: See.

200 00:27:06.030 00:27:07.140 Emily Giant: Ultra and rate models.

201 00:27:07.250 00:27:16.819 Amber Lin: Great. I think we can block off the time on your calendar. I I just looked at both Kyle and calendars, and like

202 00:27:17.575 00:27:25.850 Amber Lin: seems like the time before our stand ups are pretty free. But I wanna hear if this is a

203 00:27:26.200 00:27:30.760 Amber Lin: good working model for you sometimes I know you do need to

204 00:27:31.000 00:27:39.569 Amber Lin: having that time blocked off will really help everybody here.

205 00:27:39.570 00:27:42.477 Demilade Agboola: Yeah, I I think I agree with that in the sense that

206 00:27:44.340 00:27:56.460 Demilade Agboola: being able to have a working session with Emily, can be very helpful, especially in like coming up to speed recessing things. And also.

207 00:27:56.570 00:27:57.559 Amber Lin: webinar.com.

208 00:28:01.370 00:28:18.920 Demilade Agboola: like the urban stems model, and how data flows within urban stems is quite complicated from the models to the actual netsuite data to like how data is collected, and how the logic of like free deliveries and all that keeps happening. It’s quite something, and

209 00:28:19.573 00:28:25.139 Demilade Agboola: that will be helpful. I won’t. Also, that’s just like said like

210 00:28:25.320 00:28:33.840 Demilade Agboola: flag. How much of those sessions are future state sessions versus current state sessions, because potentially.

211 00:28:34.185 00:28:34.530 Amber Lin: Yeah.

212 00:28:34.530 00:28:39.689 Demilade Agboola: Because of, like all the tickets that our instance kind of generates on the fly, we could.

213 00:28:39.690 00:28:40.240 Amber Lin: And.

214 00:28:40.240 00:28:51.799 Demilade Agboola: Potentially have those sessions be current state sessions versus future state sessions. And I would like us to just have like guardrails, or just like, have the idea that we want to build something for the future

215 00:28:52.300 00:28:53.830 Demilade Agboola: rather than just

216 00:28:54.830 00:29:00.129 Demilade Agboola: have working sessions. We’re always just doing this kind of troubleshooting the current day problems. Yeah.

217 00:29:01.410 00:29:20.069 Emily Giant: I think that’s a really good just making sure, like when we meet, that we’re aligning to the goal of what is this for? And what is the work worth doing that we can promise the stakeholders for this sprint? Versus what can we tell them? Like, okay, like, in 2 months.

218 00:29:20.170 00:29:21.449 Emily Giant: it’s gonna be perfect.

219 00:29:22.780 00:29:26.699 Emily Giant: My internal retro with the team make call outs about like

220 00:29:26.850 00:29:32.370 Emily Giant: over under and unclearly promising things to stakeholders, because I don’t know

221 00:29:34.700 00:29:35.360 Amber Lin: Very nice.

222 00:29:35.360 00:29:36.750 Amber Lin: Maybe we just like.

223 00:29:38.500 00:29:48.330 Emily Giant: Talk at the beginning of every like, take tickets we’re looking at and then decide, okay, what can we promise to stakeholders who are calling this priority. One

224 00:29:48.750 00:29:54.670 Emily Giant: can actually be worked on this session. And what is the like, the outcome.

225 00:29:54.960 00:30:00.030 Emily Giant: but also don’t create another ticket about inflated revenue, because

226 00:30:00.340 00:30:08.949 Emily Giant: this is what we’re fixing now. And later, we’re fixing this. I I just need to like, have better communication with the people that are

227 00:30:09.360 00:30:14.729 Emily Giant: having trouble getting their work across the finish line about what they can do and what they can expect.

228 00:30:16.130 00:30:23.640 Emily Giant: But yeah, demalade. I think that’s a great call out, because we could completely consume our time with

229 00:30:23.860 00:30:27.580 Emily Giant: current issues. But to your point.

230 00:30:28.070 00:30:28.930 Amber Lin: Yeah, I don’t know.

231 00:30:28.930 00:30:31.199 Emily Giant: Issues are our future work that we’ve already scoped.

232 00:30:31.625 00:30:32.050 Emily Giant: Yeah.

233 00:30:32.050 00:30:34.669 Emily Giant: So it doesn’t make a lot of sense to spend

234 00:30:35.240 00:30:37.190 Emily Giant: a hundred percent of that time

235 00:30:37.806 00:30:42.790 Emily Giant: dedicated to something we’re gonna have to like, undo and redo in a month.

236 00:30:44.686 00:30:53.830 Amber Lin: I totally get that. And I think in terms of, because I’m thinking and say, rituals and processes, we can implement. And I think the perfect solution

237 00:30:54.140 00:31:08.549 Amber Lin: for that would be to use that working session. Before I stand up to go through sometimes to go through all the requests for the stakeholders having to essentially pre filter what we actually do put into

238 00:31:08.650 00:31:16.030 Amber Lin: our current sprint, and also to use that time to discuss based on our

239 00:31:16.850 00:31:29.039 Amber Lin: future our sprint plans to say, Okay, this will be delivered, and we’ll work with you to give your stakeholders the clear expectations. But I think they just feel very unsafe right now.

240 00:31:29.040 00:31:38.550 Emily Giant: Yeah, agreed. And I think something else we could add into those sessions is if there is a pr like use that as Pr review time.

241 00:31:38.550 00:31:39.030 Amber Lin: It can be.

242 00:31:39.050 00:31:43.500 Emily Giant: It’s difficult to like deploy prs in a vacuum, or just from like

243 00:31:43.945 00:32:06.070 Emily Giant: I know that mine can be very difficult, because I’ll tend to like, do a major fix that’s like, impossible for someone to do without me like going through and saying like, Oh, this isn’t a big deal. I just changed the name versus like I had to add a model, because this was miscalculating. But if we could like portion out that time to review Pr, so that we can like deploy them.

244 00:32:06.410 00:32:15.949 Emily Giant: or at least for a little while before we get a good flow on, like maybe we get in the groove, and we don’t have to do that as part of the meeting, but I know that, like I would like to.

245 00:32:16.970 00:32:27.510 Emily Giant: I always appreciate them. A lot of walking me through his logic. I learn a ton from it also with some of the things he implements. So I I think that could be a huge value. Add for

246 00:32:27.930 00:32:34.019 Emily Giant: me, as someone who’s still learning some of the like foundational testing technique, things.

247 00:32:35.180 00:32:35.730 Amber Lin: Awesome.

248 00:32:35.730 00:32:45.599 Uttam Kumaran: I think it’s pretty common to do like basically Pr review sessions weekly. And like, we’re gonna we, we do this internally as well.

249 00:32:45.790 00:32:49.810 Uttam Kumaran: where we just have, like a fixed period, where you can batch, review everything.

250 00:32:50.140 00:32:52.020 Emily Giant: That could be helpful, too.

251 00:32:53.130 00:33:01.419 Uttam Kumaran: That way like Prs can build up. And then it’s like you sort of like, kind of get to it one off. And they’re not given a lot of time, and then, if it’s too big, it’s really tough. So.

252 00:33:03.929 00:33:04.979 Demilade Agboola: I know I.

253 00:33:04.980 00:33:07.589 Amber Lin: At our calendars. Yeah, I don’t want to go now.

254 00:33:07.940 00:33:13.879 Demilade Agboola: As well as a point out. Another thing to call out is with Kyle joining the team?

255 00:33:14.565 00:33:17.960 Demilade Agboola: The 1st couple of sessions will be

256 00:33:18.450 00:33:35.700 Demilade Agboola: quite like focused on like catching up with the general logic of things. Because there is quite a bit of logic. And yeah, certain things, I mean. Obviously, I could also have some sessions with Kayo, one on one as well, potentially. But certain things are just like

257 00:33:36.260 00:33:39.069 Demilade Agboola: really all over the place, and

258 00:33:39.230 00:33:50.469 Demilade Agboola: as a result, like some things are best, explain. Even sometimes I have conversations with Emily, and Emily has to get across to a stakeholder who needs to explain as well. Maybe you know, Felipe, or you know.

259 00:33:50.710 00:33:59.130 Demilade Agboola: Perry, cause like, that’s how complicated it is. So I think, yeah, I mean, we do have some documentation of some things that have been happening, but ultimately.

260 00:33:59.280 00:34:05.560 Demilade Agboola: being able to, you know, get Kyle up to speed as best as possible for him to be

261 00:34:05.950 00:34:11.300 Demilade Agboola: able to provide like solutions as well, will be very important.

262 00:34:13.690 00:34:17.039 Amber Lin: Based on that. I think we can just

263 00:34:17.270 00:34:23.399 Amber Lin: schedule the time I know them. Lenny and Kai, you guys looking at

264 00:34:23.830 00:34:31.259 Amber Lin: there is. So we have this working session for tomorrow. I think if that’s a good time, you guys can just block it off.

265 00:34:31.710 00:34:36.449 Amber Lin: Yeah, just have that as a work block

266 00:34:36.909 00:34:42.029 Amber Lin: and move from there for each sessions. You can define the goals for that, and

267 00:34:42.500 00:34:51.319 Amber Lin: we’ll keep it, maybe daily, until we feel that we call them up to speed, and maybe then we can do say 3 times a week, and then 2 times.

268 00:34:52.010 00:34:53.330 Amber Lin: how does that sound.

269 00:34:55.940 00:35:00.252 Emily Giant: That sounds good to me, but I’m not the one you’re asking.

270 00:35:01.240 00:35:01.820 Caio Velasco: If we want.

271 00:35:01.820 00:35:04.700 Amber Lin: More of asking, like your capacity, Kyle and.

272 00:35:05.260 00:35:12.920 Caio Velasco: No, each day for me is always a bit different. But I I agree with the working sessions. The only thing that I

273 00:35:13.070 00:35:25.790 Caio Velasco: always like to do, because it’s probably my working style that I like to be always strategic with whatever I’m doing. So, even if I would have a working session to, let’s say, speed up me in something.

274 00:35:25.970 00:35:37.280 Caio Velasco: Then I need to know why I’m doing something. What is that about? In what part of the project? So. Otherwise we would be talking about things that I don’t even know if I can already help or or learn, or if I learn, will I

275 00:35:37.520 00:35:43.049 Caio Velasco: forget tomorrow. So I really like to be strategic with those things. So those things are there.

276 00:35:43.670 00:35:44.630 Amber Lin: I think we can do.

277 00:35:46.160 00:35:52.909 Caio Velasco: Because otherwise would be 5 h of the week that we kind of can lose or or gain. Then that’s the problem.

278 00:35:53.610 00:36:06.169 Amber Lin: Okay, awesome. And I think for so we can set a rule for all of us to agree on that before each session we’re going to define what we’re what we’re trying to talk about and what output we’re trying to achieve.

279 00:36:06.420 00:36:11.860 Emily Giant: Great, and it would that be like something that I would create the agenda.

280 00:36:12.090 00:36:12.680 Amber Lin: The day

281 00:36:12.680 00:36:19.030 Amber Lin: agenda agenda will be. We’re gonna just share it in the slack channel. We’ll make a thread. We’ll iterate on what we want to talk about.

282 00:36:20.991 00:36:46.069 Emily Giant: We have this. Do you have the fellow? Add on? I guess it also depends on where we’re doing the meeting. If it’s zoom, or you can do the fellow add on in zoom, too. I I tend to create agendas in an app we have called fellow and it’s just like a sidebar on the meeting, where you can like add links and rundowns, so that it’s like referenceable during the meeting in a really easy way. Alex, I don’t know what the.

283 00:36:46.820 00:36:47.620 Amber Lin: Like.

284 00:36:47.620 00:36:52.020 Emily Giant: Limits are on being able to add them account, but.

285 00:36:52.626 00:36:53.600 Amber Lin: I see.

286 00:36:53.600 00:36:56.129 Alex K: They, they should have access already.

287 00:36:57.720 00:36:59.320 Alex K: This is shared with.

288 00:37:01.890 00:37:09.520 Amber Lin: Think it’s a chrome extension for Google Meets. I don’t know if it applies to zoom.

289 00:37:10.720 00:37:15.260 Emily Giant: Okay it. I have it in zoom. So thanks.

290 00:37:17.760 00:37:18.550 Amber Lin: Bye-bye.

291 00:37:18.550 00:37:23.129 Demilade Agboola: Does it? Does it have to be attached to the meeting itself? Or can you

292 00:37:24.341 00:37:30.630 Demilade Agboola: just added to the events like the calendar, invite and events.

293 00:37:31.190 00:37:37.440 Alex K: Yeah, it’s attached to the calendar event. And then it transfers it automatically to the Google meet. That’s like, it’s value prop.

294 00:37:38.550 00:37:39.109 Demilade Agboola: Oh, my! Gosh!

295 00:37:39.110 00:37:41.880 Alex K: Y’all should already have access. Let’s see, it says here that

296 00:37:45.010 00:37:49.819 Alex K: It looks like we gave access to that specific stand up meeting. So

297 00:37:51.980 00:37:52.490 Amber Lin: That’s a problem.

298 00:37:52.490 00:37:55.380 Alex K: We would need to give access to other meetings.

299 00:37:57.670 00:37:59.720 Amber Lin: Pretty much okay.

300 00:38:00.100 00:38:09.439 Amber Lin: Sounds good. We’ll figure it out. Worst case, we’ll manually type it in, and then we’ll work on adding tools to make that. I think it’s it’s really great that we discussed.

301 00:38:19.140 00:38:26.380 Emily Giant: And Kyle. I’ll try not to like jump too far ahead with some of the things like I know that Demalati and I usually would like

302 00:38:27.440 00:38:32.150 Emily Giant: start with like sprinting in to interview and like.

303 00:38:32.640 00:38:57.770 Emily Giant: I wanna make sure that it’s not a waste of your time, because we’ve skipped step 1, 2 and 3. So I don’t know the best way to do that. Like to get you up to speed with some of the models that we’re discussing, but they’re generally like the inventory, and the revenue models are the ones that continually are breaking down and causing stakeholder problems so like we could use it if this sounds of value to you, because I certainly do not want to waste

304 00:38:58.000 00:39:03.700 Emily Giant: anyone’s time, including mine, because I have none none of us do with

305 00:39:04.460 00:39:15.163 Emily Giant: like, what is your comfort? Level with looking at models and sussing them out on your own versus me, talking you through like the business logic where it’s breaking down.

306 00:39:16.186 00:39:18.959 Caio Velasco: So usually for me, especially when I

307 00:39:19.090 00:39:42.880 Caio Velasco: don’t have like a domain knowledge. So the most important thing is really to understand, like on the urban stem side, how things work and then modeling or sequel or code. I really prefer to do that on my own, because then I can do like a hyper focus kind of thing. But then I think that how you can really aggregate, that is just to tell me, like, what is this about? Why is this happening? What is happening on the urban stem, like everything you can tell me?

308 00:39:42.930 00:39:52.729 Caio Velasco: And then, if it can also be recorded even better, because I always go to recordings again, and I always will watch again. So usually, that’s how I do.

309 00:39:52.820 00:39:56.790 Caio Velasco: But then you can also do things that you prefer. I’m okay with it.

310 00:39:58.080 00:40:03.469 Emily Giant: Okay, so like for our 1st meeting, and I’ll of course write out an agenda. Would you?

311 00:40:03.650 00:40:06.839 Emily Giant: Would you find value in me walking you through our revenue

312 00:40:06.950 00:40:15.580 Emily Giant: calculation, because that is what is continually breaking down, and I realize that it’s like a future sprint, and we have to rebuild that entire march. But I also have to like

313 00:40:15.720 00:40:21.539 Emily Giant: in the next couple of days, fix Xyz to get those areas of the business like

314 00:40:21.900 00:40:26.600 Emily Giant: able to forecast directionally so and.

315 00:40:26.600 00:40:55.129 Caio Velasco: It doesn’t have to be. You don’t really. You don’t need to like lose your time explaining a lot of things in those. It’s okay, just a matter of like having an overview and what it is about. And then we go together. It’s more like to say, like, Hey, we’re going inventory like, okay. But how does it work? What is the logistics behind it, like everything you can you can give me would be nice, doesn’t have to be work, but at least so that we know where we’re head. But then, okay, for refactoring, you know, revenue something up. Yeah, that’s what I need.

316 00:40:55.920 00:41:17.499 Emily Giant: Yeah, I just can’t imagine like jumping into that work without unders, without like giving you even the time gating of certain things like, I think that a lot it would be like what is going on, I’m like, well, we switched to sticky I/O subscriptions at this point, and before we were doing it in a program called Admin. So, like all of those like very business, specific things, to be able to dive in and like

317 00:41:18.470 00:41:23.389 Emily Giant: accurately time gate revenue calculations would be really hard.

318 00:41:23.690 00:41:24.220 Caio Velasco: Okay.

319 00:41:24.220 00:41:26.308 Emily Giant: Do it, but it wouldn’t be very fun.

320 00:41:29.460 00:41:34.790 Amber Lin: And I think it’ll be super helpful, because next spring we are going to audit

321 00:41:34.900 00:41:46.080 Amber Lin: the revenue models and talk about how we’re gonna rebuild them. So I think this is a perfect hinge into what we’re gonna do next cycle. So it it will not be a waste of time.

322 00:41:46.490 00:41:53.909 Demilade Agboola: Yeah, definitely. I also think you know, getting Kyle to speed, especially in terms of inventory and revenue is very important, because

323 00:41:54.370 00:42:22.510 Demilade Agboola: that’s the like, the 1st blocks that we’re going to be building with. Dbt, and obviously I will be building models as well. So him being able to understand how we’re defining these things. You know the logic and history and legacy parts of things. And just being able to understand the different like hubs. And you know all of that, and how all that influences, what currently goes on in our calculation. Very important.

324 00:42:23.030 00:42:23.640 Emily Giant: Yeah.

325 00:42:24.950 00:42:33.880 Emily Giant: okay, I will build out the agendas based on that. And if we’re like 20 min in, and you’re like, this is not helping we, we log off.

326 00:42:34.440 00:42:43.589 Emily Giant: I will not be offended if there’s anything I’ve learned from Zach and Alex. It’s that when something isn’t serving your time, you peace out, and you figure out the next steps.

327 00:42:45.250 00:42:48.240 Amber Lin: That is great, because a lot of times like you just

328 00:42:48.730 00:42:53.349 Amber Lin: stay there because it’s polite but the other person is doing the same thing

329 00:42:53.950 00:42:54.650 Caio Velasco: No.

330 00:42:56.019 00:43:08.200 Amber Lin: One last thing that I want to discuss is ticket hygiene of how we create tickets. The large part of it is on me to fill fill it in with clear requirements.

331 00:43:09.840 00:43:15.029 Amber Lin: And I guess the the part that relates to you guys is.

332 00:43:15.340 00:43:22.000 Amber Lin: can you flag when tickets one. Can you flag when it’s unclear? So I can make sure that it’s

333 00:43:22.492 00:43:28.290 Amber Lin: fleshed out, or if whoever needs to flesh it out, fleshes it out with the requirements.

334 00:43:29.118 00:43:34.770 Amber Lin: And also when we create additional tickets in cycle.

335 00:43:36.693 00:43:43.879 Amber Lin: That we have all the requirements that’s needed to to do that task.

336 00:43:50.250 00:43:54.529 Amber Lin: I guess a few things about about that is that

337 00:43:54.720 00:44:07.359 Amber Lin: we try not to use sub. We try not to use sub issues, and we generally want

338 00:44:07.500 00:44:10.500 Amber Lin: for our tickets. We want a goal.

339 00:44:10.890 00:44:21.629 Amber Lin: We want acceptance criteria as well as oh, gosh! That’s horrible spelling

340 00:44:24.980 00:44:31.340 Amber Lin: And, if possible, to have estimates and

341 00:44:31.580 00:44:34.800 Amber Lin: due dates, so we can track them properly.

342 00:44:41.400 00:44:43.911 Amber Lin: Does that? Does that make sense.

343 00:44:47.170 00:44:53.089 Amber Lin: Okay, awesome and just feel free to just ask you could just ping me if you if you’re unsure about anything.

344 00:44:56.200 00:45:02.950 Amber Lin: these are especially if we meet every day like we’ll have a chance to make sure that everybody is aligned

345 00:45:05.420 00:45:05.745 Amber Lin: cool.

346 00:45:07.000 00:45:10.739 Amber Lin: Okay, there’s nothing on my end that I wanted to discuss.

347 00:45:10.860 00:45:13.330 Amber Lin: make sure that everybody had a chance to

348 00:45:13.630 00:45:15.539 Amber Lin: the first.st Everything that was on.

349 00:45:18.796 00:45:24.743 Emily Giant: Yes, quick question for the meeting blocks. Will those be shared with me, or

350 00:45:25.440 00:45:34.439 Emily Giant: How do I know where to log on, should I send over Google invites? I just wanna make sure we’re clear on, like how we’re meeting up at.

351 00:45:35.240 00:45:35.840 Emily Giant: That time.

352 00:45:36.767 00:45:46.069 Demilade Agboola: Yeah, I’ll send the invites but the same invite for tomorrow. But I’ll just like duplicate it across multiple days. It will be repeated.

353 00:45:47.370 00:45:50.760 Amber Lin: Awesome cause. I can’t use my meeting room. I have a lot.

354 00:45:51.310 00:45:52.679 Demilade Agboola: Meetings at that time.

355 00:45:53.070 00:46:00.959 Demilade Agboola: Oh, no, it’s fine but like I know you want the fellows being added to the calendar invite, so I’ll sync with you, Emily, on getting that like set up.

356 00:46:01.520 00:46:03.549 Demilade Agboola: But yeah, but that’s fine.

357 00:46:04.450 00:46:08.990 Emily Giant: Alright great! I will look for that. Invite and make sure that the fellow thing is

358 00:46:09.140 00:46:21.390 Emily Giant: I need to reconnect mine. I took mine off of Zoom a couple of months ago, because I had so few zoom calls, but I can re add it, and make sure to like communicate to y’all how to do that when I do it myself.

359 00:46:22.710 00:46:33.779 Amber Lin: Yeah. Oh, last item on my list. I know we talked about wanting to have a Thursday meeting where we include other stakeholders. I think that it’s a great chance for us to start it.

360 00:46:34.462 00:46:41.540 Amber Lin: Starting next sprint, though I don’t think I’ve heard back from more than 2 people. So

361 00:46:41.964 00:46:51.890 Amber Lin: I nudged in the slack channel. But probably we should send an email again. Or if you guys have a chance to meet with them just to ask what time works for them, and I can just book that.

362 00:46:52.110 00:46:54.430 Emily Giant: Yeah, I’ll nudge them in that email.

363 00:46:55.430 00:47:01.860 Emily Giant: And also bother them, and if all sales put the meeting on, and then.

364 00:47:02.380 00:47:09.000 Amber Lin: And then they’ll tell me what doesn’t work. Okay, sounds good, that’s all from my side.

365 00:47:09.767 00:47:16.960 Amber Lin: Thank you. Everybody for coming to this meeting. I think we we really work really well as a team, and we’re honest with each other.

366 00:47:17.850 00:47:18.496 Emily Giant: I agree.

367 00:47:20.490 00:47:22.440 Emily Giant: Alright cool. Thanks. Bye.

368 00:47:22.440 00:47:24.160 Amber Lin: Okay, thanks everyone.

369 00:47:25.040 00:47:26.080 Amber Lin: Bye-bye.