Meeting Title: Zoom Meeting Date: 2025-05-20 Meeting participants: Robert Tseng, Hannah Wang


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1 00:00:41.830 00:00:45.769 Hannah Wang: Oh, the floor. Hello!

2 00:00:50.980 00:00:52.430 Hannah Wang: What’s wrong?

3 00:00:55.630 00:00:57.269 Robert Tseng: I don’t want to talk about work.

4 00:00:57.550 00:00:59.358 Hannah Wang: Okay, yeah, I don’t either.

5 00:01:02.190 00:01:04.410 Hannah Wang: I mean, you’re on vacation or

6 00:01:04.540 00:01:07.760 Hannah Wang: yeah, so or next week, right? Next week.

7 00:01:14.278 00:01:19.949 Robert Tseng: I think I worked too much yesterday, so I feel like pretty pooped right now.

8 00:01:20.240 00:01:24.269 Hannah Wang: Yeah, do you feel like you’re compensating for

9 00:01:24.570 00:01:28.199 Hannah Wang: not being online next week, like, in anticipation.

10 00:01:31.980 00:01:33.979 Robert Tseng: I think I was more like

11 00:01:34.830 00:01:43.150 Robert Tseng: compensating that Utah was doing his event yesterday, and I was like, I’m not there. So I gotta keep doing stuff.

12 00:01:43.510 00:01:44.440 Hannah Wang: I see.

13 00:01:44.440 00:01:47.430 Robert Tseng: Yeah, your own event there

14 00:01:47.430 00:01:52.500 Robert Tseng: until like past midnight. So like, it was just like, I just didn’t start the day off. Well.

15 00:01:53.260 00:01:55.880 Hannah Wang: Who who did you talk to until midnight?

16 00:01:57.390 00:01:58.270 Hannah Wang: Oh, cause it’s.

17 00:01:58.270 00:01:59.840 Robert Tseng: She called me after the event.

18 00:02:01.670 00:02:05.429 Hannah Wang: Was that like? Solicited, though, or he just like called you.

19 00:02:06.065 00:02:12.699 Robert Tseng: Yeah, no, I mean, he he texted me. And then I was like messaging and stuff. And we just we just have a lot of calls.

20 00:02:12.700 00:02:13.580 Hannah Wang: Wow!

21 00:02:14.030 00:02:21.980 Hannah Wang: Cause sometimes he calls me when he’s driving. I’m like this was not solicited, but I just pick up, anyway, or like slack, slack call.

22 00:02:21.980 00:02:24.259 Robert Tseng: Oh, yeah, he! He does that.

23 00:02:24.640 00:02:27.469 Hannah Wang: I’m like, I, that’s my worst nightmare. But okay.

24 00:02:27.470 00:02:29.029 Robert Tseng: That’s your worst nightmare.

25 00:02:29.200 00:02:30.280 Hannah Wang: Get calls.

26 00:02:30.560 00:02:31.000 Robert Tseng: Oh!

27 00:02:31.000 00:02:35.690 Hannah Wang: I I need prep at least like 5 min before, like, Hey, can I call you.

28 00:02:38.650 00:02:42.869 Robert Tseng: Yeah, I don’t. I don’t like getting random call. I mean, I like making random calls.

29 00:02:42.870 00:02:43.890 Hannah Wang: Yeah, yeah.

30 00:02:43.890 00:02:46.512 Robert Tseng: I don’t like getting randomly called.

31 00:02:47.450 00:02:50.450 Hannah Wang: Come on, understand the other person.

32 00:02:50.450 00:02:50.930 Robert Tseng: Yeah, it’s.

33 00:02:50.930 00:02:51.950 Hannah Wang: I’ll call them.

34 00:02:53.240 00:02:54.280 Hannah Wang: Aye.

35 00:02:57.730 00:03:01.440 Hannah Wang: so don’t don’t pack last minute, like Utong is.

36 00:03:02.940 00:03:04.680 Hannah Wang: Have you started packing.

37 00:03:05.027 00:03:09.539 Robert Tseng: Yeah, I started packing, although I feel like packing last minute is better.

38 00:03:10.050 00:03:10.900 Hannah Wang: Really.

39 00:03:10.900 00:03:15.340 Robert Tseng: Yeah. Cause. Like, even now, I just like packed to like 60, 70%

40 00:03:15.720 00:03:20.450 Robert Tseng: like, that’s what happened last time. I like forgot to bring my suit to the to a wedding.

41 00:03:20.450 00:03:21.329 Hannah Wang: Oh, yeah.

42 00:03:21.330 00:03:25.920 Robert Tseng: Like I packed too early, and I was like, Oh, well, of course I’ll bring the suit like at the end.

43 00:03:26.080 00:03:32.610 Robert Tseng: But if you think about it all in one. Go, and you go from 0 to 100. Then then you got everything.

44 00:03:33.340 00:03:34.470 Hannah Wang: Wow. Okay.

45 00:03:34.470 00:03:35.140 Robert Tseng: Yeah.

46 00:03:35.140 00:03:41.510 Hannah Wang: It’s just interesting seeing differences in personalities, even at the meeting, like the manager’s meeting, or whatever

47 00:03:42.430 00:03:43.730 Hannah Wang: it was, hilarious.

48 00:03:44.850 00:03:54.139 Robert Tseng: Yeah, I feel like we could have gone through that faster. But it’s fine. I thought that it was interesting, that a wish and I were like exactly the same on everything.

49 00:03:54.140 00:03:54.490 Hannah Wang: Yeah.

50 00:03:54.490 00:03:58.829 Robert Tseng: That was so interesting. I didn’t think I was thinking of things like him.

51 00:03:59.010 00:04:04.209 Robert Tseng: Yeah, I don’t. I don’t think the same way as you saw, I knew we would be, we’d be off. And then I mean, I guess.

52 00:04:04.610 00:04:08.370 Robert Tseng: yeah. So it’s you and amber or somewhere similar. That’s funny.

53 00:04:08.930 00:04:11.779 Hannah Wang: Or I think it’s also like gender cause women.

54 00:04:11.780 00:04:12.120 Robert Tseng: Yeah.

55 00:04:12.120 00:04:14.900 Hannah Wang: I think, are more empathetic, so totally.

56 00:04:15.650 00:04:17.220 Robert Tseng: I think I think so.

57 00:04:17.380 00:04:21.240 Robert Tseng: And then Utam was just the outlier for everything.

58 00:04:22.920 00:04:25.269 Hannah Wang: I don’t know brain things sometimes.

59 00:04:27.090 00:04:36.680 Hannah Wang: Yeah, I don’t know how he like juggles so many things at once. It’s insane to me every time I look at his lifestyle.

60 00:04:36.990 00:04:43.140 Hannah Wang: Wow! That’s a CEO right there, just juggling everything.

61 00:04:44.210 00:04:45.160 Robert Tseng: Yeah.

62 00:04:51.550 00:04:53.929 Hannah Wang: Me! Too bad! I was like.

63 00:04:55.230 00:04:57.720 Robert Tseng: I didn’t sleep well last night. I think that’s part of it, too.

64 00:04:58.000 00:05:01.279 Hannah Wang: Yeah. Well, probably cause you were so stimulated until.

65 00:05:01.400 00:05:02.440 Robert Tseng: Midnight.

66 00:05:02.660 00:05:03.530 Hannah Wang: Hold on!

67 00:05:04.940 00:05:08.880 Robert Tseng: Yeah, I was like, so checked out even on the madness meeting. I was like cutting my nails.

68 00:05:10.055 00:05:10.890 Hannah Wang: Oh!

69 00:05:12.340 00:05:13.939 Hannah Wang: I did not notice.

70 00:05:13.940 00:05:14.690 Robert Tseng: Yeah.

71 00:05:14.880 00:05:19.680 Robert Tseng: I was just like, I can’t just like, stay here and look at a screen. I have to do something.

72 00:05:19.880 00:05:20.760 Hannah Wang: Yeah.

73 00:05:21.190 00:05:31.670 Hannah Wang: Well, I think with those types of calls where I don’t need to look at the screen, I have the tendency of like walking around now, or like just doing other stuff cause. Then I start to

74 00:05:32.400 00:05:35.610 Hannah Wang: not focus, which is not good, but.

75 00:05:38.010 00:05:41.450 Robert Tseng: I think I’m also disoriented because the prayer room is closed this week.

76 00:05:41.790 00:05:43.270 Hannah Wang: Oh, shoot!

77 00:05:43.270 00:05:47.459 Robert Tseng: They’re on a they’re on a break, or they’re on a break for 2 weeks. So this week and next week.

78 00:05:48.170 00:05:51.650 Hannah Wang: Is it because, like the people who eat it need a break.

79 00:05:51.650 00:05:53.730 Robert Tseng: Yeah, I think so. I think it’s just like a

80 00:05:53.940 00:05:56.729 Robert Tseng: transition. I think they take a break every.

81 00:05:59.310 00:06:07.859 Robert Tseng: I don’t know if it’s every quarter every 6 months. They’re probably like changing up the people who volunteer as well, and all that like. I think Rachel wants to start volunteering. There.

82 00:06:07.950 00:06:09.430 Hannah Wang: Oh!

83 00:06:09.430 00:06:10.080 Robert Tseng: Yeah.

84 00:06:10.360 00:06:13.669 Hannah Wang: Like reading the Scripture, reading Scripture, and praying.

85 00:06:13.670 00:06:17.523 Robert Tseng: I think she will. She wants to just start as being a greeter.

86 00:06:17.820 00:06:19.950 Hannah Wang: Oh, oh, okay. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

87 00:06:19.950 00:06:25.079 Robert Tseng: Yeah. So just like, say, in front of the door, thank you.

88 00:06:25.080 00:06:30.030 Hannah Wang: 3 people. Honestly, greeters are needed in every church.

89 00:06:30.900 00:06:31.640 Hannah Wang: Funny?

90 00:06:33.070 00:06:37.269 Hannah Wang: Yeah, I’m sure that kind of gets you out of rhythm.

91 00:06:38.590 00:06:42.219 Hannah Wang: It’s nice being on the east coast, I think, also cause

92 00:06:42.480 00:06:48.510 Hannah Wang: you’re the one that starts all the Us. Stuff. So you probably have, like some moments of

93 00:06:49.000 00:06:51.359 Hannah Wang: no messages in the morning.

94 00:06:51.730 00:06:59.659 Hannah Wang: so I feel like on the Pacific time. I wake up, and there’s already messages. So I think it’s easy for me to get sucked into work right away.

95 00:06:59.660 00:07:00.060 Robert Tseng: Yeah.

96 00:07:00.060 00:07:09.490 Hannah Wang: But I recently turned off slack on my phone because I used to have it on so that helps me not think about work outside of work.

97 00:07:09.490 00:07:11.890 Robert Tseng: I don’t. I don’t have any notifications on my phone.

98 00:07:12.250 00:07:13.809 Hannah Wang: Yeah, that’s hopeful.

99 00:07:17.970 00:07:20.959 Hannah Wang: How? How are you? How you feel about the trip?

100 00:07:23.280 00:07:28.279 Robert Tseng: I feel good about the trip, and I don’t really know what taking a week off will look like.

101 00:07:29.409 00:07:30.079 Hannah Wang: Yeah.

102 00:07:30.330 00:07:35.710 Robert Tseng: Yeah, I feel like I’m still gonna be on. But at least I’ll be checking things every day.

103 00:07:35.900 00:07:36.600 Hannah Wang: Yeah.

104 00:07:36.780 00:07:38.721 Robert Tseng: But that’s okay. I think.

105 00:07:41.400 00:07:44.640 Robert Tseng: no, I’m glad we’re doing that. I want to get out of the city.

106 00:07:45.710 00:07:50.819 Robert Tseng: I do spend some time like thinking about other things

107 00:07:51.650 00:07:57.097 Robert Tseng: aren’t just about pushing the business forward. I mean, I was basically telling you, Tom, like, I think,

108 00:08:00.760 00:08:03.660 Robert Tseng: I’ll probably push until, like end of June.

109 00:08:03.970 00:08:04.360 Hannah Wang: And.

110 00:08:04.360 00:08:06.289 Robert Tseng: That’ll be another checkpoint for me.

111 00:08:06.530 00:08:09.010 Hannah Wang: Oh, to like reevaluate.

112 00:08:09.010 00:08:13.560 Robert Tseng: Yeah. Yeah.

113 00:08:14.590 00:08:18.360 Robert Tseng: I think by then I should probably get a law school update again.

114 00:08:18.720 00:08:19.290 Hannah Wang: Yeah.

115 00:08:20.560 00:08:26.710 Robert Tseng: And then I also like, Yeah, I mean, I think just

116 00:08:27.300 00:08:32.179 Robert Tseng: I would probably want to be taking more money by then.

117 00:08:32.570 00:08:33.270 Hannah Wang: Yeah.

118 00:08:33.520 00:08:34.179 Robert Tseng: Yeah.

119 00:08:34.299 00:08:38.850 Robert Tseng: So that’s also another consideration. Because I feel like I’ve just been.

120 00:08:40.450 00:08:44.089 Robert Tseng: I was. I was definitely taking more money working with Pongo than I.

121 00:08:45.425 00:08:46.290 Robert Tseng: So.

122 00:08:46.290 00:08:46.820 Hannah Wang: Yeah.

123 00:08:46.820 00:08:49.530 Robert Tseng: Oh, yeah, like that.

124 00:08:50.570 00:08:53.129 Robert Tseng: Yeah. So I think that’s that, anyway.

125 00:08:55.740 00:09:03.579 Hannah Wang: Like Reevaluate. So let’s say that you don’t hear back from any schools, or it’s like you. There’s no school that you can go to

126 00:09:03.730 00:09:09.610 Hannah Wang: like you would stay and reevaluate money stuff, or like.

127 00:09:09.610 00:09:13.300 Robert Tseng: I would consider staying. But I think I would be more like.

128 00:09:15.070 00:09:19.980 Robert Tseng: more risk, averse to things. Or like, I would. Yeah, I would, probably

129 00:09:20.340 00:09:23.690 Robert Tseng: because right now, like, I’m very much on the same

130 00:09:24.010 00:09:29.700 Robert Tseng: pages, Utah, and I’m just like, well, he takes less than I do. But like I,

131 00:09:29.830 00:09:31.214 Robert Tseng: that’s his own choice.

132 00:09:32.260 00:09:34.550 Robert Tseng: You you can. We’ve

133 00:09:35.730 00:09:42.390 Robert Tseng: we’ve agreed on like what we can take out, and it’s it should be equal but he just chooses not to take it.

134 00:09:43.210 00:09:45.649 Robert Tseng: But then it’s also not great, because I know

135 00:09:46.280 00:09:49.909 Robert Tseng: he’s he’s like facing some pressure in his relationship.

136 00:09:49.910 00:09:50.580 Hannah Wang: Yeah.

137 00:09:50.960 00:09:53.349 Robert Tseng: Yeah. Well, he, his lifestyle is more.

138 00:09:54.090 00:09:56.799 Robert Tseng: He’s a bigger spender than I am, I guess. Whatever.

139 00:09:56.800 00:09:57.570 Hannah Wang: And.

140 00:09:57.740 00:10:00.430 Robert Tseng: Anyway, I I’m more concerned for him than I am.

141 00:10:00.844 00:10:08.389 Robert Tseng: At least Rachel is like double income, this girl. I’m a double income, but not really. She’s yeah. I mean, she probably makes like.

142 00:10:08.650 00:10:14.879 Robert Tseng: like a cheaper. Yeah, I mean, it’s just like a, it’s not. It’s not much. It’s more like a minimum wage job. Kind of thing.

143 00:10:14.880 00:10:16.360 Hannah Wang: Yeah, yeah.

144 00:10:16.940 00:10:18.689 Hannah Wang: Well, she’s going to school, too.

145 00:10:19.780 00:10:24.226 Robert Tseng: Yeah, so that’s another cost and everything but

146 00:10:25.430 00:10:32.559 Robert Tseng: Anyway, I’m just like he. I know he’s like a big, I mean, I respect the

147 00:10:33.150 00:10:36.070 Robert Tseng: the like. Well, I don’t know if I well.

148 00:10:39.110 00:10:40.570 Robert Tseng: he’s very

149 00:10:40.990 00:10:46.029 Robert Tseng: trusting in the process, and like I mean, he put all his eggs in this basket, you know.

150 00:10:46.030 00:10:46.700 Hannah Wang: Yeah.

151 00:10:46.700 00:10:48.840 Robert Tseng: I feel like I, personally didn’t

152 00:10:50.170 00:10:53.340 Robert Tseng: like in my mind. I’ve made peace with like

153 00:10:53.750 00:10:55.399 Robert Tseng: I think I got what I

154 00:10:55.500 00:10:57.060 Robert Tseng: wanted to get out of it.

155 00:10:57.730 00:11:03.369 Robert Tseng: I’m not saying that. Okay, I I don’t want. I’m not saying that we’re not. I mean, we’re we’re making money like we’re.

156 00:11:03.370 00:11:04.040 Hannah Wang: Yeah, yeah.

157 00:11:04.040 00:11:09.930 Robert Tseng: I can see a 6 month future for the company I just whether or not like I will be there for 6 months, is like I don’t know, but.

158 00:11:09.930 00:11:10.620 Hannah Wang: Yeah.

159 00:11:10.910 00:11:25.050 Robert Tseng: But so yeah, like he, he could just like, you know, stop making so many bets and just like start making like taking more money out and make it like a lifestyle business, I guess. But he is trying to like, you know. Be ambitious and try to grow it a lot, or whatever. So

160 00:11:26.870 00:11:33.809 Robert Tseng: yeah, I think I just don’t think I will push at the same pace anymore after June is kind of my

161 00:11:34.310 00:11:38.820 Robert Tseng: my take. But I’ll I’ll take these next 2 weeks and

162 00:11:39.040 00:11:40.949 Robert Tseng: kind of think about it as well.

163 00:11:41.090 00:11:41.800 Robert Tseng: Yeah.

164 00:11:42.230 00:11:45.530 Hannah Wang: Oh, business moves.

165 00:11:45.530 00:11:46.150 Robert Tseng: Yeah.

166 00:11:49.070 00:11:56.520 Hannah Wang: Well, if we tank, I’m fine. So I’m also at peace with, was it?

167 00:11:57.250 00:11:58.010 Hannah Wang: Yeah.

168 00:11:58.010 00:12:03.290 Robert Tseng: Well, I think it’s a healthy thing to do. Like if you know that you’re never gonna be at a place forever, you just

169 00:12:03.510 00:12:10.899 Robert Tseng: you try to be intentional each day with, like, how you spend your time, what you can get out of it like, nothing really should be autopilot. So

170 00:12:12.600 00:12:14.840 Robert Tseng: yeah, that’s kind of how I see it. Like.

171 00:12:14.840 00:12:15.550 Hannah Wang: Oh!

172 00:12:16.090 00:12:22.089 Robert Tseng: Yeah, whenever I get too comfortable or like, I get used to doing something. I I purposely try to change it up like.

173 00:12:22.090 00:12:22.650 Hannah Wang: 2.

174 00:12:23.090 00:12:29.189 Robert Tseng: I like will either hand it off to someone else to do it or like, I’ll just try to.

175 00:12:29.300 00:12:31.860 Robert Tseng: Yeah, like I’ll I’ll try to make adjustments like

176 00:12:32.270 00:12:37.120 Robert Tseng: this is not the kind of job, at least for me to just like find a

177 00:12:38.980 00:12:42.840 Robert Tseng: a thing to just like a routine, to get used to like this.

178 00:12:42.840 00:12:43.220 Hannah Wang: Yeah.

179 00:12:43.220 00:12:49.440 Robert Tseng: Yeah. So I’m I. I see it as a as a formation kind of like bay.

180 00:12:53.020 00:12:54.805 Robert Tseng: anyway, I think.

181 00:12:56.370 00:13:07.270 Robert Tseng: yeah, I’ve been like talking to them about bringing a content person. I’ve been wanting to put more content out, like I think things have kind of just. They’re just sitting in drafts. I haven’t shared anything in the Channel, or like whatever, so.

182 00:13:07.270 00:13:09.963 Hannah Wang: I mean, we did talk to Luke yesterday.

183 00:13:10.300 00:13:11.060 Robert Tseng: Oh, yeah.

184 00:13:11.230 00:13:23.080 Hannah Wang: The cats, Luke. I think he’s I mean I I have no like barometer of who who’s good or not. He just sounds good to me. So okay, yeah, maybe he’ll be like helpful

185 00:13:23.732 00:13:25.299 Hannah Wang: in terms of like

186 00:13:25.560 00:13:33.100 Hannah Wang: connecting the sales and marketing bridge. And also, like all our content stuff and just being like part of the process in the funnel of

187 00:13:33.320 00:13:37.479 Hannah Wang: reviewing content, making assets and stuff. So

188 00:13:38.400 00:13:47.409 Hannah Wang: yeah, I don’t know, Tom said. He talked with the team about it, and then go from there and bring him on, maybe, or I don’t know if we’ll bring him on, but

189 00:13:47.750 00:13:53.920 Hannah Wang: maybe he’ll be helpful cause, then I feel like less of the he seems more human.

190 00:13:54.510 00:14:03.699 Hannah Wang: Then Ryan, in terms of like what he creates. I feel like his content will be more human. Nice. So maybe that’ll help with your

191 00:14:04.540 00:14:06.909 Hannah Wang: content stuff or linkedin.

192 00:14:07.190 00:14:15.669 Hannah Wang: Oh, yeah, so that might happen sometime.

193 00:14:19.630 00:14:24.110 Hannah Wang: Yeah, no.

194 00:14:26.980 00:14:28.250 Robert Tseng: Are you ready for your trip?

195 00:14:31.130 00:14:37.110 Hannah Wang: Which one ion, or the Louisiana one.

196 00:14:38.950 00:14:42.240 Robert Tseng: Louisiana. Oh, right right! The drive to Louisiana.

197 00:14:42.580 00:14:43.180 Hannah Wang: Yeah.

198 00:14:43.180 00:14:45.609 Robert Tseng: Are you just driving to Houston and flying back.

199 00:14:46.240 00:14:50.887 Hannah Wang: Yeah. But I mean, like on the road to Louisiana. Yeah. Stopping at

200 00:14:52.010 00:14:56.900 Hannah Wang: Houston, or I don’t know where the furthest East Texas is huge. I didn’t realize how big it was.

201 00:14:56.900 00:14:57.300 Robert Tseng: Yeah.

202 00:14:57.300 00:14:58.470 Hannah Wang: Until recently.

203 00:14:58.470 00:15:00.720 Robert Tseng: One more drive going across Texas.

204 00:15:00.890 00:15:03.403 Hannah Wang: Yeah, yeah. So

205 00:15:07.120 00:15:11.759 Hannah Wang: as ready as I can be. I feel like there’s just like a lot of logistical things that

206 00:15:11.880 00:15:19.379 Hannah Wang: I’m like, I don’t take things for the Louisiana one.

207 00:15:19.380 00:15:19.970 Robert Tseng: Yeah.

208 00:15:20.540 00:15:26.000 Hannah Wang: Airbnbs just throughout, different, like one in Phoenix, one in blah, one in blah.

209 00:15:26.000 00:15:27.110 Robert Tseng: Oh, yeah.

210 00:15:27.400 00:15:32.870 Hannah Wang: And so it’s just one night one different airbnb, as we kind of travel across.

211 00:15:36.510 00:15:42.592 Hannah Wang: oh, yeah, I mean all our camping stuff. I like set it out already so unlike you. I

212 00:15:43.110 00:15:46.610 Hannah Wang: don’t pack at the last minute, because it stresses me out.

213 00:15:46.610 00:15:47.680 Robert Tseng: You’re gonna camp.

214 00:15:48.430 00:15:51.290 Hannah Wang: Yeah, we’re camping one day in Zion on Sunday.

215 00:15:52.070 00:15:53.779 Robert Tseng: Oh, you got a campsite there.

216 00:15:54.470 00:15:55.850 Hannah Wang: Yeah, somehow.

217 00:15:56.530 00:15:58.530 Robert Tseng: Oh, nice! It’s my favorite campsite.

218 00:15:58.530 00:16:02.610 Hannah Wang: Oh, really, I’ve never been. Oh, is that the one where you went with Betty?

219 00:16:02.750 00:16:03.400 Robert Tseng: Yeah.

220 00:16:04.120 00:16:05.440 Hannah Wang: Right? Yeah, okay.

221 00:16:06.340 00:16:17.429 Robert Tseng: This is very well maintained, like you wake up. And it’s like you’re in the valley. You get to see everything like it. Yeah, the sunset’s amazing. So I mean, just like, yeah, everything was

222 00:16:17.960 00:16:23.700 Robert Tseng: because it’s like east, west, facing. So you get sunrise and the sunset.

223 00:16:24.650 00:16:25.290 Robert Tseng: Yeah.

224 00:16:25.650 00:16:33.820 Robert Tseng: And yeah, I mean, compared to like Yosemite campground, like the Yosemite Valley campgrounds.

225 00:16:34.230 00:16:37.020 Robert Tseng: I mean, some of them are nice location, but not like

226 00:16:37.310 00:16:42.300 Robert Tseng: they’re kind of like tucked away. You don’t really get to see. I mean, the value. So many values is really big.

227 00:16:42.300 00:16:42.740 Hannah Wang: Yeah.

228 00:16:43.858 00:16:46.599 Robert Tseng: But it you get to see just like all this stuff. So.

229 00:16:46.600 00:16:47.900 Hannah Wang: Oh, yeah.

230 00:16:49.140 00:16:57.290 Hannah Wang: yeah, Eric had, like the alert thing set up. Or if someone cancels their reservation, you get an email. So he like, just booked it right away.

231 00:16:57.430 00:17:00.448 Hannah Wang: And I was like, Okay, I guess we’re quite happy.

232 00:17:01.210 00:17:02.170 Hannah Wang: Yeah.

233 00:17:02.170 00:17:03.920 Robert Tseng: That would be good. I’m sure you’ll like that.

234 00:17:04.240 00:17:11.699 Hannah Wang: I I hope so. I hope I can just not think about work, cause that’s my tendency is oh, I have Fomo

235 00:17:12.260 00:17:16.779 Hannah Wang: Fomo in the sense of like. Oh, I feel like I need to always do stuff so.

236 00:17:16.780 00:17:17.230 Robert Tseng: Oh!

237 00:17:17.230 00:17:20.500 Hannah Wang: That that’ll be like the challenge for me, I think.

238 00:17:20.819 00:17:27.910 Hannah Wang: The next also week of vacation, but not really vacation.

239 00:17:27.910 00:17:28.390 Robert Tseng: Yeah.

240 00:17:28.920 00:17:29.450 Hannah Wang: So.

241 00:17:29.450 00:17:33.030 Robert Tseng: I think it takes like a day for me to forget about work.

242 00:17:33.190 00:17:34.030 Hannah Wang: Yeah.

243 00:17:34.030 00:17:38.329 Robert Tseng: Sink in. So you need like 48 h at least of like.

244 00:17:40.000 00:17:42.417 Hannah Wang: That ain’t. That ain’t gonna happen.

245 00:17:43.940 00:17:54.660 Hannah Wang: Yeah, I’m trying to learn how to be like, just chill and not or just like.

246 00:17:55.900 00:18:01.260 Hannah Wang: I think I’m just like over stimulated all the time. So that’s why I like turned off slack. And

247 00:18:01.780 00:18:04.149 Hannah Wang: yeah, like, even when I’m camping.

248 00:18:04.620 00:18:13.110 Hannah Wang: maybe I’ll just take Sunday to like, just chill and read or not be on my phone. I don’t know how good the cell service is. There.

249 00:18:13.260 00:18:15.510 Robert Tseng: In Zion. It’s it’s pretty good.

250 00:18:15.510 00:18:16.576 Hannah Wang: Really okay.

251 00:18:17.560 00:18:20.839 Hannah Wang: Cause when I went to Yosemite last year, it sucked. So yeah.

252 00:18:21.230 00:18:23.910 Hannah Wang: I was forced to do nothing which is good.

253 00:18:23.910 00:18:28.090 Robert Tseng: Yeah, yeah. The valley is pretty good in Zion.

254 00:18:28.210 00:18:30.719 Robert Tseng: Are you doing the the Narrows.

255 00:18:32.690 00:18:35.559 Robert Tseng: You’re gonna wait with the wetsuit and everything.

256 00:18:36.010 00:18:40.230 Hannah Wang: I don’t think we’ll get a wetsuit we just got like shoes. Oh, we’re just gonna get wet.

257 00:18:40.670 00:18:41.940 Robert Tseng: It’s very cold.

258 00:18:42.100 00:18:45.120 Hannah Wang: It’s cold, really very cold.

259 00:18:45.120 00:18:46.270 Hannah Wang: I get a wetsuit. Then.

260 00:18:46.270 00:18:49.839 Robert Tseng: You should just do it. Cause then you can actually go up to like your chest and like.

261 00:18:49.840 00:18:54.340 Hannah Wang: Oh, is it worth it? It is you got a wetsuit.

262 00:18:54.340 00:18:54.989 Robert Tseng: Yeah, we got one.

263 00:18:54.990 00:18:55.470 Hannah Wang: Thank you.

264 00:18:55.470 00:19:00.812 Robert Tseng: It probably wasn’t worth it, for Rachel, cause she got was she had Covid, and she just like sat there.

265 00:19:02.230 00:19:04.969 Robert Tseng: But I went down and like had a good time.

266 00:19:05.292 00:19:08.840 Hannah Wang: Okay, maybe we’ll think about it. Okay, yeah. Cause May is.

267 00:19:08.840 00:19:13.030 Robert Tseng: In the river, and then getting like in chest, deep water. It’s kind of cool.

268 00:19:13.030 00:19:16.249 Hannah Wang: Yeah, wait. Is it even cold when it’s like 90 degrees.

269 00:19:17.150 00:19:19.100 Robert Tseng: Dude. Yeah, the water is so cold.

270 00:19:19.100 00:19:21.560 Hannah Wang: Really, even in that heat. Yeah.

271 00:19:21.980 00:19:25.349 Robert Tseng: Yeah, yeah, there were some tourists that like didn’t

272 00:19:25.780 00:19:35.740 Robert Tseng: have the wetsuits like, I remember there succinctly, there was like a group of Korean people, and they’re like their skin like turned all red from how cold it was!

273 00:19:37.040 00:19:43.909 Hannah Wang: Hmm, okay, you just rented it at. There’s many places to rent, probably. Okay.

274 00:19:44.770 00:19:51.410 Robert Tseng: I mean, if you want to, you could probably rent something locally and bring it over, and it’ll be cheaper. But.

275 00:19:51.820 00:19:54.269 Robert Tseng: I mean, it’s like 30 to 50 bucks, Max.

276 00:19:54.270 00:19:55.490 Hannah Wang: Okay, yeah.

277 00:19:57.030 00:20:03.369 Hannah Wang: Hmm, okay. Oh, maybe we’ll do that. We’re also renting bikes to just like bike around.

278 00:20:03.630 00:20:04.699 Robert Tseng: Oh, good. Yeah.

279 00:20:04.700 00:20:06.090 Hannah Wang: Yeah. On the 1st day.

280 00:20:07.210 00:20:11.209 Robert Tseng: I like that. They have a no car policy in in Zion

281 00:20:11.800 00:20:15.489 Robert Tseng: off the. And then, like the I mean, you guys have been so

282 00:20:15.760 00:20:21.380 Robert Tseng: yeah, the shuttle is nice, because it’s got like, you know, glass overhead as well. So you can just see everything.

283 00:20:21.380 00:20:22.689 Hannah Wang: I did not know that. Wow!

284 00:20:22.960 00:20:27.379 Robert Tseng: Yeah. Yeah. So it’s definitely much nicer than Yosemite, in my opinion. Just.

285 00:20:27.380 00:20:34.954 Hannah Wang: Oh, okay, cause my head zions like Yosemite crowded. And but it’s just the bus.

286 00:20:35.700 00:20:36.320 Robert Tseng: Yeah.

287 00:20:36.640 00:20:37.340 Hannah Wang: Or even

288 00:20:37.690 00:20:44.379 Robert Tseng: I’m sure there’s fewer people on in the bike lane, and it’s just like a bike lane, and you know that there are no cars so like.

289 00:20:45.980 00:20:47.630 Robert Tseng: You doing e-bike, or regular bike.

290 00:20:47.630 00:20:48.510 Hannah Wang: E-bike.

291 00:20:48.510 00:20:51.760 Robert Tseng: Okay, yeah, it’s kind of far, like.

292 00:20:51.760 00:20:54.300 Hannah Wang: Yeah, underneath the power.

293 00:20:54.300 00:20:55.490 Robert Tseng: Long time.

294 00:20:55.490 00:20:55.870 Hannah Wang: Yeah.

295 00:20:55.870 00:20:58.120 Robert Tseng: To get to any, to get anywhere.

296 00:20:58.120 00:20:58.790 Hannah Wang: Yeah.

297 00:20:59.410 00:21:00.020 Robert Tseng: Yeah.

298 00:21:01.804 00:21:02.259 Hannah Wang: Okay.

299 00:21:02.260 00:21:03.590 Robert Tseng: Can you do Angel’s Landing.

300 00:21:04.240 00:21:05.840 Hannah Wang: No, I’m scared.

301 00:21:06.070 00:21:06.850 Robert Tseng: Oh!

302 00:21:06.850 00:21:12.750 Hannah Wang: Yeah, I don’t want to die. Did you guys do angels when you went.

303 00:21:12.750 00:21:14.020 Robert Tseng: Yeah. I took Eugene.

304 00:21:14.910 00:21:15.979 Hannah Wang: But not Rachel.

305 00:21:16.450 00:21:20.060 Robert Tseng: No, it was.

306 00:21:21.590 00:21:24.479 Robert Tseng: Yeah. I forgot why we didn’t do it. But yeah.

307 00:21:24.480 00:21:27.109 Hannah Wang: Probably Covid because she was sickly.

308 00:21:27.110 00:21:28.439 Robert Tseng: Oh, yeah, probably not.

309 00:21:28.764 00:21:29.089 Hannah Wang: Yeah.

310 00:21:31.640 00:21:32.370 Robert Tseng: Yeah.

311 00:21:33.750 00:21:35.910 Hannah Wang: Oh, wow! The Betty days.

312 00:21:36.610 00:21:42.130 Robert Tseng: I know I feel like my quality of life everywhere you want what you don’t have. But no.

313 00:21:42.130 00:21:44.939 Robert Tseng: the quality of life here is, is good in a different way.

314 00:21:46.460 00:21:47.439 Hannah Wang: In what way.

315 00:21:47.820 00:21:51.500 Robert Tseng: I mean, you can just walk outside, and there’s like something to see, something to do.

316 00:21:51.500 00:21:52.130 Hannah Wang: Oh!

317 00:21:52.130 00:21:53.880 Robert Tseng: Any wife is nice.

318 00:21:54.590 00:21:57.040 Robert Tseng: Like the spontaneous ballet we watched on Friday.

319 00:21:59.030 00:22:06.719 Robert Tseng: Yeah, the fact that we can walk to church and like bike around. And like, after this call. I’m I think I’m gonna leave. I’m not gonna be productive here.

320 00:22:06.720 00:22:07.440 Hannah Wang: Yeah.

321 00:22:07.440 00:22:11.870 Robert Tseng: I’m just gonna go and bike across the park to somewhere and.

322 00:22:12.160 00:22:12.770 Hannah Wang: Nice.

323 00:22:12.770 00:22:13.969 Robert Tseng: Just hang out there.

324 00:22:13.970 00:22:14.620 Hannah Wang: Yeah.

325 00:22:15.720 00:22:16.130 Robert Tseng: Yeah.

326 00:22:16.130 00:22:24.419 Hannah Wang: Well, yeah, we can’t. Can’t do that. Here you step outside, and it’s just loud buses and

327 00:22:24.900 00:22:26.690 Hannah Wang: bunch of cars. And

328 00:22:26.900 00:22:35.079 Hannah Wang: I mean, I guess this area is okay. It’s not like terrible. But you have to like drive to like the beach, or like drive somewhere, and then.

329 00:22:35.080 00:22:37.190 Robert Tseng: Yeah, you still need to drive a lot of that.

330 00:22:37.190 00:22:37.940 Hannah Wang: Yeah.

331 00:22:38.390 00:22:42.240 Robert Tseng: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

332 00:22:43.610 00:22:48.880 Robert Tseng: it’d be good, I think. But I think I hope Amber comes. I’d like to spend some time with her, and.

333 00:22:49.140 00:22:49.690 Hannah Wang: Wow.

334 00:22:51.420 00:22:57.920 Hannah Wang: yeah. I asked if she wanted to grab coffee with me sometime in June to talk about not work stuff. So

335 00:22:59.033 00:23:03.299 Hannah Wang: yeah, trying to influence her in in the

336 00:23:03.810 00:23:09.650 Hannah Wang: quote, the yeah, the right way, I get right way. Yeah, I don’t know. Disciple her. Basically. So.

337 00:23:09.650 00:23:14.722 Robert Tseng: Yeah. Give her some non worldly ambition. Talk.

338 00:23:15.400 00:23:22.159 Hannah Wang: Yeah, yeah, that’s good. I’m like the least worldly, ambitious person. So hopefully, that’ll help.

339 00:23:23.320 00:23:29.479 Hannah Wang: Yeah, is she coming? Well, she’s going to DC, and then.

340 00:23:31.100 00:23:32.690 Robert Tseng: I’ll probably ask her.

341 00:23:32.690 00:23:33.450 Hannah Wang: Hmm.

342 00:23:34.650 00:23:37.349 Robert Tseng: Yeah, she’s going to DC. She should see Akash.

343 00:23:37.810 00:23:38.085 Robert Tseng: But

344 00:23:38.360 00:23:40.960 Hannah Wang: Oh, right. He lives in DC.

345 00:23:41.450 00:23:42.100 Robert Tseng: Yeah.

346 00:23:45.640 00:23:48.639 Hannah Wang: Buzzy. Oh, my gosh! They probably had their kid.

347 00:23:49.560 00:23:51.746 Robert Tseng: Yeah, I heard it was in June. But

348 00:23:53.520 00:23:55.000 Hannah Wang: I thought it was March.

349 00:23:55.410 00:23:57.489 Robert Tseng: Oh, what? No, I think it’s

350 00:23:58.810 00:24:02.890 Robert Tseng: well they got pregners in like September.

351 00:24:04.320 00:24:06.560 Robert Tseng: so that would mean June right.

352 00:24:06.930 00:24:09.530 Hannah Wang: Oh, I thought it was like August.

353 00:24:11.240 00:24:15.059 Robert Tseng: We were on their honeymoon in my late August, early September.

354 00:24:15.060 00:24:24.140 Hannah Wang: Oh, I see. Yeah. January, March, April, May, June. Oh, wow! That’s wild.

355 00:24:25.070 00:24:25.660 Robert Tseng: Yeah.

356 00:24:30.510 00:24:31.380 Robert Tseng: yeah.

357 00:24:31.380 00:24:33.150 Hannah Wang: Way. But you’re wait.

358 00:24:33.390 00:24:34.499 Hannah Wang: Oh, never mind.

359 00:24:35.630 00:24:40.360 Hannah Wang: cause I thought the interview was next week, so I was like, you’re out of office, but it’s tomorrow.

360 00:24:40.690 00:24:41.900 Robert Tseng: Oh! And.

361 00:24:42.320 00:24:46.430 Hannah Wang: Yeah, I’m about to go meet up with a dude at like 5 today, and then.

362 00:24:48.780 00:24:52.850 Robert Tseng: Oh, man, just like I feel like I’m just doing a lot of like work, related meetups.

363 00:24:53.520 00:24:54.950 Hannah Wang: Yeah, makes sense.

364 00:24:56.220 00:24:58.680 Hannah Wang: Is it all like sales? Kind of.

365 00:24:59.200 00:24:59.820 Robert Tseng: This guy.

366 00:25:00.910 00:25:06.860 Robert Tseng: I’m not really sure what I’m gonna get out of it. To be honest, I I connected with him at an event last year.

367 00:25:08.840 00:25:11.940 Robert Tseng: I have no idea. Like I. I have no expectations. I don’t.

368 00:25:11.940 00:25:12.370 Hannah Wang: Oh, okay.

369 00:25:12.370 00:25:15.779 Robert Tseng: Fire, and I don’t really know what he does for work, though.

370 00:25:15.930 00:25:16.520 Hannah Wang: Oh!

371 00:25:16.520 00:25:18.899 Robert Tseng: I think he’s just like a he’s just a dude I met.

372 00:25:20.020 00:25:24.000 Robert Tseng: Yeah, okay, yeah.

373 00:25:24.480 00:25:27.499 Robert Tseng: So I don’t have. I don’t have high expectations for this one.

374 00:25:27.500 00:25:31.870 Hannah Wang: See. Yeah, I pitched our or not pitched, but

375 00:25:32.010 00:25:50.310 Hannah Wang: or Lauren reached out to Eric, and then I think they talked about what I was doing, and he’s like, Oh, what what does Hannah’s company do? So I opened the marketing and positioning notion, dog that you made went to the for non technical section. And I just like drafted up a response.

376 00:25:50.310 00:25:50.750 Robert Tseng: Yeah.

377 00:25:50.860 00:25:54.910 Hannah Wang: Yeah, it was helpful. I was like, Thank goodness, Eric or Robert made this

378 00:25:55.290 00:26:03.730 Hannah Wang: document of like, how to speak about our company non technically nice, so

379 00:26:04.020 00:26:08.290 Hannah Wang: I don’t know if he’s like asking in terms for his own business. But I feel like

380 00:26:08.450 00:26:12.010 Hannah Wang: he’s not our client like Pos. What is it called

381 00:26:13.686 00:26:18.549 Hannah Wang: all these terms, I’m like, I can’t. Yeah.

382 00:26:18.800 00:26:21.859 Hannah Wang: Ideal customer profile. Is that what it is.

383 00:26:22.240 00:26:23.230 Robert Tseng: Persona, yeah.

384 00:26:23.230 00:26:26.719 Hannah Wang: Persona. Yeah, cause I think it’s just him and Sonny.

385 00:26:28.290 00:26:30.880 Hannah Wang: and like maybe 2 other people, I don’t know.

386 00:26:31.070 00:26:35.689 Robert Tseng: No, I mean, that’s that’s cool, although I don’t know how he’s doing with the tariffs.

387 00:26:35.690 00:26:36.829 Hannah Wang: Yeah, I don’t know.

388 00:26:36.830 00:26:43.659 Robert Tseng: How do they stay? Well, I guess he’s selling to Erewhon, anyway. So what’s an extra $20 gonna do to people there like.

389 00:26:44.340 00:26:47.059 Hannah Wang: It still blows my mind that they’re in air one

390 00:26:47.380 00:26:53.409 Hannah Wang: like, how do you? Isn’t it? Yeah, isn’t it competitive? I don’t know.

391 00:26:54.530 00:26:58.922 Robert Tseng: Yeah, I mean, I guess. Yeah, I have no idea it’s not interesting.

392 00:27:01.330 00:27:05.889 Robert Tseng: I just remember Eric and I tried his nuts, and we were like this wasn’t very good, so.

393 00:27:05.890 00:27:07.330 Hannah Wang: Really oh, shoot!

394 00:27:07.330 00:27:09.240 Robert Tseng: We like the trader. Joe’s 1 more.

395 00:27:09.240 00:27:10.310 Hannah Wang: Oh!

396 00:27:10.570 00:27:11.140 Robert Tseng: Yeah.

397 00:27:11.450 00:27:12.350 Hannah Wang: Bad.

398 00:27:13.350 00:27:17.899 Robert Tseng: But I’m sure maybe he just that was his 1st batch or something. Maybe he’s forced it better now.

399 00:27:18.100 00:27:18.880 Hannah Wang: Yeah.

400 00:27:18.880 00:27:19.440 Robert Tseng: Yeah.

401 00:27:20.310 00:27:29.470 Hannah Wang: I would like to redo their logo. I remember it was like a squirrel. Kind of ugly. But

402 00:27:30.070 00:27:36.030 Hannah Wang: okay, yeah, yeah.

403 00:27:37.360 00:27:40.029 Hannah Wang: Okay. Well, you should go outside.

404 00:27:40.400 00:27:41.360 Hannah Wang: Not work.

405 00:27:42.490 00:27:44.189 Hannah Wang: Rachel’s at the office right now.

406 00:27:44.190 00:27:46.810 Robert Tseng: Yeah. Rachel went to the office today because they had lunch.

407 00:27:47.370 00:27:49.350 Hannah Wang: Oh, okay.

408 00:27:49.550 00:27:49.980 Robert Tseng: Website.

409 00:27:49.980 00:27:52.270 Hannah Wang: Is it further now, or closer.

410 00:27:52.270 00:27:53.230 Robert Tseng: It’s further.

411 00:27:54.090 00:27:55.720 Hannah Wang: So she just takes the.

412 00:27:55.950 00:27:59.980 Robert Tseng: Yeah, I mean, it’s 1 train, but it takes longer. It’s probably like at least 30 min.

413 00:27:59.980 00:28:01.040 Hannah Wang: Oh!

414 00:28:01.530 00:28:02.150 Robert Tseng: Yeah.

415 00:28:02.410 00:28:03.110 Hannah Wang: Okay.

416 00:28:06.320 00:28:09.790 Robert Tseng: Yeah, I don’t know what I’m gonna do, but I’m gonna do something, not work related.

417 00:28:10.840 00:28:12.800 Hannah Wang: You can.

418 00:28:13.470 00:28:14.110 Robert Tseng: Yeah.

419 00:28:14.110 00:28:18.109 Hannah Wang: Read a book that’s not working.

420 00:28:18.110 00:28:19.000 Robert Tseng: Exercise.

421 00:28:19.330 00:28:19.790 Hannah Wang: And.

422 00:28:19.790 00:28:22.040 Robert Tseng: I haven’t moved in like 2 days, so.

423 00:28:22.440 00:28:23.880 Hannah Wang: I feel that.

424 00:28:23.880 00:28:24.250 Robert Tseng: Yeah.

425 00:28:24.250 00:28:28.950 Hannah Wang: It’s hard to move when you’re tired when you’re like. After a full day of work.

426 00:28:29.080 00:28:29.770 Robert Tseng: Yeah.

427 00:28:29.770 00:28:31.130 Hannah Wang: Hard to exercise.

428 00:28:36.550 00:28:37.270 Robert Tseng: Okay.

429 00:28:37.570 00:28:38.980 Robert Tseng: Alright. Well.

430 00:28:38.980 00:28:39.760 Hannah Wang: Ollie.

431 00:28:40.130 00:28:40.780 Robert Tseng: Bye.

432 00:28:41.130 00:28:42.269 Hannah Wang: See you tomorrow. Bye-bye.

433 00:28:42.270 00:28:42.830 Robert Tseng: See you.