Meeting Title: Robert Tseng and Jillian Foley Date: 2025-05-13 Meeting participants: Jillian Foley, Robert Tseng
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1 00:01:09.100 ⇒ 00:01:09.960 Jillian Foley: Hi.
2 00:01:09.960 ⇒ 00:01:11.130 Robert Tseng: Hello! There!
3 00:01:11.390 ⇒ 00:01:12.859 Jillian Foley: Hi! Nice to meet you.
4 00:01:12.860 ⇒ 00:01:14.280 Robert Tseng: Good to meet you, Jillian.
5 00:01:14.480 ⇒ 00:01:16.119 Jillian Foley: Yeah, how’s it going.
6 00:01:16.320 ⇒ 00:01:17.690 Robert Tseng: Good! How are you?
7 00:01:17.690 ⇒ 00:01:22.130 Jillian Foley: Good good. I finished finals yesterday, so I’m doing very well today.
8 00:01:22.130 ⇒ 00:01:23.310 Robert Tseng: Oh, congrats!
9 00:01:24.065 ⇒ 00:01:24.820 Jillian Foley: Thanks.
10 00:01:24.820 ⇒ 00:01:30.109 Robert Tseng: Yeah, are you, I guess. Are you sticking around New York, or kind of what’s the what’s the plan for the summer for you?
11 00:01:30.330 ⇒ 00:01:33.430 Jillian Foley: I am I’m from New York, but.
12 00:01:33.430 ⇒ 00:01:34.030 Robert Tseng: Okay.
13 00:01:34.030 ⇒ 00:01:36.569 Jillian Foley: Besides that Fordham does.
14 00:01:36.910 ⇒ 00:01:44.730 Jillian Foley: they do actually, I think, 3 different Mini study abroads kind of like. There’s I know there’s 1 in Korea. There’s 1
15 00:01:45.070 ⇒ 00:01:49.980 Jillian Foley: forget there’s an another one somewhere. But then I’m going on the Ireland trip. Which?
16 00:01:49.980 ⇒ 00:01:51.800 Jillian Foley: Oh, no way. Okay.
17 00:01:51.800 ⇒ 00:01:56.510 Jillian Foley: Evening students do. So yeah, I’m excited for that, but otherwise I’ll be in New York.
18 00:01:56.880 ⇒ 00:02:05.530 Robert Tseng: Yeah, I guess I’m curious to hear more like, what does that look like? You you go to Ireland for? I guess how long and like what would be in there.
19 00:02:05.720 ⇒ 00:02:14.049 Jillian Foley: Yeah, it’s so. It’s 2 weeks, and the 1st week is in Belfast, and the second week is in Dublin, and they have
20 00:02:14.430 ⇒ 00:02:22.330 Jillian Foley: course, like a course in global IP, and then there’s another course in I think global
21 00:02:22.510 ⇒ 00:02:25.679 Jillian Foley: criminal law. So I’m doing the IP
22 00:02:26.090 ⇒ 00:02:31.769 Jillian Foley: course, yeah, I’m excited. It should be I I hear really great things about it. So.
23 00:02:31.900 ⇒ 00:02:32.500 Robert Tseng: Yeah.
24 00:02:34.100 ⇒ 00:02:40.229 Robert Tseng: cool. Well, that’s exciting. And yeah, I mean, I guess. Thanks for taking the time to jump on this call right after finals.
25 00:02:40.230 ⇒ 00:02:41.120 Jillian Foley: Yeah, that’s nice.
26 00:02:41.120 ⇒ 00:02:42.370 Robert Tseng: Austin, and all that, so.
27 00:02:42.370 ⇒ 00:02:50.719 Jillian Foley: No, no, I’m I’m happy. Well, thank you for for waiting until after finals, and I’m I’m happy to help and answer any questions that I can.
28 00:02:51.010 ⇒ 00:03:03.829 Robert Tseng: Okay, yeah. I mean, I think I told you my situation. We listed from evening program right now, the 1st evening student that I’ve been able to connect with. So I’m super excited to just hear more from your experience of kind of
29 00:03:04.000 ⇒ 00:03:18.170 Robert Tseng: yeah, I guess maybe just personal journey of like, kind of where you were, I mean, I kind of. I browse your Linkedin kind of know some bits and pieces. But yeah, kind of where you were like, you’re you’re kind of what led you to the evening program
30 00:03:18.909 ⇒ 00:03:30.100 Robert Tseng: and then I’d like to hear some of your experience of what it’s like being being bad, and I don’t know if you juggle full time work with with school. And yeah, I don’t know. Kind of open, ended.
31 00:03:30.500 ⇒ 00:03:35.969 Jillian Foley: Yeah, yeah, sure, yeah. So I,
32 00:03:36.470 ⇒ 00:03:43.997 Jillian Foley: where should I start? Well, I came to law school because I have a background in music. And I wanted to do
33 00:03:45.040 ⇒ 00:03:49.260 Jillian Foley: Some type of advocacy work for musicians.
34 00:03:49.260 ⇒ 00:03:49.680 Robert Tseng: Hmm.
35 00:03:50.790 ⇒ 00:03:56.110 Jillian Foley: And I had thought about going to law school and undergrad, and I
36 00:03:56.300 ⇒ 00:04:00.479 Jillian Foley: didn’t think that I was cut out for it, so I didn’t go immediately, and.
37 00:04:00.480 ⇒ 00:04:01.070 Robert Tseng: Oh!
38 00:04:01.350 ⇒ 00:04:30.060 Jillian Foley: Then I started working full time in the music industry. And, like, you know, the more experience I got, and like seeing how things actually affect musicians made me just want to go to law school more. So that’s what led me to to decide to finally go. And then, when I was working. I went back to school. I did my master’s, so I had experience working and going back to school, and I think that
39 00:04:30.730 ⇒ 00:04:38.069 Jillian Foley: played a part in me wanting to to do evening school, and I also really like working, and
40 00:04:38.530 ⇒ 00:04:43.386 Jillian Foley: I don’t know. I just I honestly did not want to be a full-time student.
41 00:04:43.710 ⇒ 00:04:44.330 Robert Tseng: Yeah.
42 00:04:44.730 ⇒ 00:04:54.040 Jillian Foley: Yeah, and which is so funny because everyone like kind of told me that it was crazy to go to law school. And then they go to law school at night and work full time. But
43 00:04:54.650 ⇒ 00:05:16.439 Jillian Foley: I love a lot of people do it so like if people tell you that. And you know you want to go at night. Do you like? It’s always people who like don’t have any experience going to law school or the law. Who told me that. But yeah, I just knew I did not want to be a full time student. And I mean for several reasons. Obviously, money is really important.
44 00:05:17.504 ⇒ 00:05:19.600 Jillian Foley: but also just like
45 00:05:19.810 ⇒ 00:05:38.085 Jillian Foley: like, for 8 HA day, you get to not be a student. And like the Law School bubble, from what I’ve heard from full time. Students is very overwhelming. And it really feels like a lot. So it’s really like a built in separator, too, which I think yeah, super super important.
46 00:05:38.970 ⇒ 00:05:44.899 Jillian Foley: and yeah, I guess, like overall as an evening student, I’m very happy that I came as an evening student. I think
47 00:05:45.520 ⇒ 00:05:54.540 Jillian Foley: again, like just talking to some full-time students. I think the experience is very different in good ways.
48 00:05:54.650 ⇒ 00:06:07.460 Jillian Foley: like, I think, obviously, people in your classes are gonna be a little bit older. There are some people who are like in their fifties and sixties, and have, like very well established careers, and they have a lot of experience
49 00:06:07.630 ⇒ 00:06:08.640 Jillian Foley: in
50 00:06:09.760 ⇒ 00:06:26.740 Jillian Foley: like a certain subject matter which makes classes really interesting, especially with some things that people have more experience in than the professor, and just like really great discussions happen so, and also just the evening division is very like a tight knit community like.
51 00:06:26.920 ⇒ 00:06:27.400 Robert Tseng: Hmm.
52 00:06:27.400 ⇒ 00:06:38.889 Jillian Foley: This semester was my last, like one L class. So typically like you have your one L doctrinal classes that you do during your 1st year, but as an evening student you
53 00:06:39.290 ⇒ 00:06:43.329 Jillian Foley: do it into your 2 L. Years. So I took criminal law with my
54 00:06:44.017 ⇒ 00:06:46.400 Jillian Foley: it’s called house. So there’s like.
55 00:06:47.100 ⇒ 00:07:08.129 Jillian Foley: And and they’re like with a group of people for the evening students. You’re with them for like 2 years. And like, this was our last class all together, which was sad to like leave them. But like we had a schedule of like who’s bringing food to class for, like everyone to share. And it’s very like, not
56 00:07:08.720 ⇒ 00:07:14.909 Jillian Foley: like people work hard, but it’s not like anyone’s out to get you, or it’s not like overly competitive. I think it’s
57 00:07:16.110 ⇒ 00:07:18.209 Jillian Foley: a good vibe overall.
58 00:07:19.220 ⇒ 00:07:41.739 Robert Tseng: Wow, yeah, sounds like a very different experience from the full time students I’ve talked to. I mean, some folks alluded to. Yeah, the evening program seems more tight knit seems less cutthroat, not because they don’t work hard, but it’s just like people just have more perspective and don’t view law schools like you know the end all be all so no, that’s good to hear that that seems consistent with what your experience was.
59 00:07:42.580 ⇒ 00:07:48.269 Robert Tseng: Yeah, I don’t know, because sometimes it’s always like, you know, the grass is greener on the other side. So sometimes folks will just like.
60 00:07:48.370 ⇒ 00:07:57.540 Robert Tseng: I feel like whenever you’re talking about an experience you don’t have you tend to. Maybe you know, hype it up a little bit more than it’s actually real, so I don’t know. I’m just glad to hear that.
61 00:07:57.540 ⇒ 00:08:01.360 Jillian Foley: No, for sure, and there’s there’s benefits, and I don’t know if you’re
62 00:08:01.630 ⇒ 00:08:08.520 Jillian Foley: if you’re set on evening, or if you’re choosing between the 2. But obviously there are like drawbacks to going at night like
63 00:08:09.330 ⇒ 00:08:14.160 Jillian Foley: thinking about class selection for the fall. And typically I
64 00:08:14.560 ⇒ 00:08:36.480 Jillian Foley: well, so when you start, all your classes will be starting at 6 o’clock and then when you get to pick classes, you know, if you have a flexible job and you can go during the day. You can pick day classes, too, but for me, like I really want to go like after work. But like, I want to take this class, and it’s only offered at 4 o’clock. So I’m like, Okay, I’ll have to ask my boss if I can start an hour early and then go so like.
65 00:08:36.480 ⇒ 00:08:36.840 Robert Tseng: Yeah.
66 00:08:36.840 ⇒ 00:08:40.969 Jillian Foley: Things that are not offered at night. So there are things that
67 00:08:41.179 ⇒ 00:08:45.479 Jillian Foley: you know. If you’re a full time student, you have more access to naturally.
68 00:08:45.950 ⇒ 00:08:59.460 Robert Tseng: Okay. So you do feel like you’ve had to make some trade offs with your kind of day job in order to like feel like you get the involvement that you want? In the classes. Are there any anything else like in the student experience that you feel like
69 00:09:00.570 ⇒ 00:09:09.499 Robert Tseng: was this has been challenging to navigate as like an evening student like. Maybe you don’t have as much access to the same opportunities or whatnot.
70 00:09:11.651 ⇒ 00:09:18.559 Jillian Foley: You know, Overall, it’s there’s nothing that I feel like. I don’t have access to like.
71 00:09:18.750 ⇒ 00:09:20.039 Jillian Foley: I’ve met with
72 00:09:20.330 ⇒ 00:09:31.279 Jillian Foley: the Career Center and the public interest center several times like they’ll meet with you remotely. Like things like that, you know. Like you.
73 00:09:31.500 ⇒ 00:09:36.356 Jillian Foley: you have access to them. And it’s not really an issue when it comes to
74 00:09:36.830 ⇒ 00:09:50.209 Jillian Foley: like clubs. A lot of clubs like meet during the day. They don’t do zoom so like if you’re an evening student, and you’re part of a club. And you’re they’re like, Okay, we’re having a career panel with a bunch of people
75 00:09:50.430 ⇒ 00:09:54.810 Jillian Foley: at 2 o’clock. And you’re like, can you at least put it on? Zoom so.
76 00:09:54.810 ⇒ 00:09:55.320 Robert Tseng: Hmm.
77 00:09:55.320 ⇒ 00:09:56.400 Jillian Foley: Think of that. It’s like
78 00:09:56.620 ⇒ 00:10:14.140 Jillian Foley: the only thing that’s been challenging. And it’s not really like the school. It’s just the nature of being like one of the only evening students who’s gonna speak up about stuff like that. So I think it is like, I mean, a lot of the times it’s like, Can you just put it on, Zoom? And they will.
79 00:10:14.690 ⇒ 00:10:18.779 Jillian Foley: Like don’t really think of evening students so much because it is a minority
80 00:10:19.650 ⇒ 00:10:25.020 Jillian Foley: students. Besides that, like, if you want to do an internship it. A lot of the the
81 00:10:26.220 ⇒ 00:10:29.720 Jillian Foley: issues are kind of also like depending on your
82 00:10:30.110 ⇒ 00:10:43.749 Jillian Foley: employment situation or whatever whatever else you have going on like. Obviously, it’s hard to do an internship. If you’re working full time, there’s also you have to meet a pro bono requirement which
83 00:10:44.390 ⇒ 00:10:48.719 Jillian Foley: is like something I’m trying to figure out how to do right now, because I work.
84 00:10:49.720 ⇒ 00:10:53.789 Jillian Foley: I don’t know how I’m supposed to do the pro bono requirement if I’m working. And
85 00:10:54.198 ⇒ 00:11:00.400 Jillian Foley: however, like the school has been very helpful, and and they’re working with me to like, try and figure out how I can best
86 00:11:00.730 ⇒ 00:11:08.260 Jillian Foley: do that. So it’s like a little bit more work sometimes to get things done.
87 00:11:08.540 ⇒ 00:11:19.727 Jillian Foley: But I think also just like being ready to speak up and advocate for yourself is important, and it’s probably good to just do that, anyways like being in school.
88 00:11:20.260 ⇒ 00:11:24.389 Jillian Foley: yeah, I think I think that’s all my rambling about that.
89 00:11:24.680 ⇒ 00:11:27.088 Robert Tseng: Okay, yeah, no. I think that’s totally fair.
90 00:11:27.610 ⇒ 00:11:37.870 Robert Tseng: yeah. Like, don’t expect people to, you know, adjust for your situation as you kind of speak up obviously being kind of the minority in this student body that makes sense.
91 00:11:38.750 ⇒ 00:11:42.919 Robert Tseng: Yeah. And then the whole thing about internships. And like, yeah, it’s really.
92 00:11:43.778 ⇒ 00:11:56.930 Robert Tseng: yeah, it’s and provide. Yeah, it seems like, there’s, well, yeah, I mean, I guess you’re figuring it out. But like being able to fit in all of the requirements while having a full time. Job is actually just. You have less time. So you have to figure out how to do that.
93 00:11:56.930 ⇒ 00:11:58.150 Jillian Foley: Exactly. Yeah.
94 00:11:58.150 ⇒ 00:11:58.810 Robert Tseng: Yeah.
95 00:11:59.278 ⇒ 00:12:14.839 Robert Tseng: Do you feel like the course load like, how’s that been for you? Like, I think that’s kind of my, obviously, you have 2 classes a day kind of situation. And yeah, like, between that and your full time job, like curious, like hours. Wise like, how do? How long do you spend
96 00:12:15.700 ⇒ 00:12:18.180 Robert Tseng: on each? And yeah.
97 00:12:19.960 ⇒ 00:12:24.280 Jillian Foley: So I would say it. It’s like.
98 00:12:24.570 ⇒ 00:12:41.529 Jillian Foley: it’s what I expected, like, I expected to be using a lot of my weekends to do schoolwork. Yeah. The 1st year. What it’s really great Fordham does like a Monday is a work from home night, so like you may have some
99 00:12:42.370 ⇒ 00:12:43.580 Jillian Foley: either
100 00:12:43.980 ⇒ 00:13:06.240 Jillian Foley: zoom classes on Monday nights or some of the professors prefer to do like pre-recorded lectures, so they try and make it more manageable like you don’t have to come to school on a Monday, at least. Like, if anything, you’re just gonna have a live class at home which I thought was really really helpful. And then, typically, you have Class
101 00:13:06.530 ⇒ 00:13:17.460 Jillian Foley: Tuesday through Thursday from like 6 to it kind of varies. Your 1st semester is definitely the most, because
102 00:13:18.480 ⇒ 00:13:23.320 Jillian Foley: kind of have, like an extra class for half the semester. It’s it’s it’s odd, but
103 00:13:24.870 ⇒ 00:13:28.050 Jillian Foley: honestly, I feel like it’s manageable. If if you’re
104 00:13:28.650 ⇒ 00:13:32.180 Jillian Foley: good with managing your time. It’s 1 of those things where, like.
105 00:13:33.050 ⇒ 00:14:02.660 Jillian Foley: you know, like a day student could do the reading like the day of before class. But if you’re working. You have to have done your reading over the weekend, and so, just like knowing when you have time to do things, and not waiting till the last second, I think, is the biggest thing, and then for one l. You write, you’re in a legal writing class. So the 1st semester you do like a memo which is kind of the smaller assignment, which
106 00:14:03.030 ⇒ 00:14:06.799 Jillian Foley: is, you know, difficult, but like it wasn’t so hard.
107 00:14:06.920 ⇒ 00:14:27.749 Jillian Foley: I will be honest. The second semester you do a brief which was like, I don’t know. It was like 15 to 20 pages, and you do your own research, and it’s a lot of work, and it’s due kind of like in the middle of the semester. So you don’t even have that much time to work on it. And then, like you’re done with that. And then, all of a sudden, it’s time to start getting ready for finals. So
108 00:14:27.880 ⇒ 00:14:37.500 Jillian Foley: the second semester of one Li think, is the hardest. That assignment alone, I thought, was really difficult. So I think
109 00:14:39.490 ⇒ 00:14:43.479 Jillian Foley: it just kind of is what it is, I guess, and then, when you
110 00:14:44.010 ⇒ 00:14:48.370 Jillian Foley: can start picking your own classes you can pick
111 00:14:48.510 ⇒ 00:14:57.199 Jillian Foley: like you can better organize your schedule and some classes don’t have a final. They have a paper. So yeah.
112 00:14:58.330 ⇒ 00:15:02.939 Jillian Foley: yeah, I guess I would say overall, it’s manageable if you’re good with your time.
113 00:15:03.290 ⇒ 00:15:06.980 Robert Tseng: Okay, yeah, no, it’s totally fair. I’m curious like.
114 00:15:07.740 ⇒ 00:15:13.520 Robert Tseng: So you you kind of came in with like, a probably clearer idea than most on my that you wanted to.
115 00:15:14.170 ⇒ 00:15:28.939 Robert Tseng: I don’t know if mu- music law is the right way to put it by. You know. Law in this industry. Yeah, how like do you feel like that’s already impacted the work that you do? And then also, like
116 00:15:29.740 ⇒ 00:15:34.360 Robert Tseng: as you’ve gone through law school, has it like given
117 00:15:34.720 ⇒ 00:15:45.819 Robert Tseng: like, have you seen other things that were like interesting to you as well? That like kind of maybe expanded like your vision, for, like what you want to see for yourself coming out of law school. Yeah.
118 00:15:45.820 ⇒ 00:15:51.869 Jillian Foley: Yeah, that’s that’s a good question, because I wasn’t expecting to like veer off from
119 00:15:51.980 ⇒ 00:15:58.469 Jillian Foley: my strict music path. But even like 1st semester, I took
120 00:15:59.860 ⇒ 00:16:10.260 Jillian Foley: I was in Torts, and everyone told me that Torts is really boring, and it’s just like a boring one L class. And I actually loved torts, and
121 00:16:10.510 ⇒ 00:16:12.960 Jillian Foley: it has absolutely nothing to do with
122 00:16:13.270 ⇒ 00:16:24.840 Jillian Foley: music or IP at all, and I just really liked it. So not that I want to practice tort law, but I just thought it was a fascinating class. And then I actually
123 00:16:25.070 ⇒ 00:16:28.549 Jillian Foley: like in the fall, I was a ta for that professor, and I got.
124 00:16:28.550 ⇒ 00:16:29.350 Robert Tseng: Oh!
125 00:16:29.560 ⇒ 00:16:31.379 Jillian Foley: Do more work with him so
126 00:16:31.820 ⇒ 00:16:49.300 Jillian Foley: loved that class. There are also, just like other like classes, that even like aspects of that I like like in property. Again, I was told it was a really difficult class, also kind of boring, but we talked a lot about like homelessness and and how the law
127 00:16:49.610 ⇒ 00:17:02.710 Jillian Foley: plays into homelessness and things like that which is just super interesting. So I mean, every class I think like has at least something like that’s going to be interesting to you. But even like this semester, I took
128 00:17:02.900 ⇒ 00:17:06.627 Jillian Foley: copyright, which obviously I really liked. But I also took
129 00:17:07.540 ⇒ 00:17:12.990 Jillian Foley: a sports law class, just because I’m a sports fan, and that class
130 00:17:13.540 ⇒ 00:17:27.260 Jillian Foley: dealt a lot with labor law and antitrust. So now I think I kind of want to take a labor law class, because that also intersects with music a little bit, obviously like labors and everything. So yeah, I think
131 00:17:27.980 ⇒ 00:17:30.159 Jillian Foley: I think it’s really good to be open to
132 00:17:30.310 ⇒ 00:17:42.319 Jillian Foley: not being so stuck in a path. If you are, you know, coming to law school to do a specific thing. And especially when you start looking for a job after law school, it’s good to like
133 00:17:42.460 ⇒ 00:17:48.819 Jillian Foley: show that you are a well-rounded person, especially like if you do go into big law because it’s
134 00:17:49.070 ⇒ 00:17:58.340 Jillian Foley: in big law. You you get like you just you do what’s given to you. So if you can display that, you have a genuine interest in different kinds of subject matters. It’s really beneficial.
135 00:17:59.770 ⇒ 00:18:09.209 Robert Tseng: I guess. I guess kind of talking about employment after, like law, school, I mean clearly, I mean i’m assuming, you’re still employed right now, and maybe you don’t have the same
136 00:18:09.490 ⇒ 00:18:14.999 Robert Tseng: like urgency to. I don’t know. Fill your
137 00:18:15.270 ⇒ 00:18:25.720 Robert Tseng: outside of law school with a bunch of jobs. Yeah, how do you think about that like, do you? How do you prioritize internships? Are you recruiting on the same like kind of cycles like? Are you trying to go into big law
138 00:18:26.030 ⇒ 00:18:32.439 Robert Tseng: or like, is this more of just like an enhancement for the career that you already have like? I’m just curious how you think about.
139 00:18:32.800 ⇒ 00:18:40.259 Jillian Foley: Yeah, there. So there is a big difference between full time and evening. If you’re a full-time student
140 00:18:40.550 ⇒ 00:18:42.769 Jillian Foley: like around now, or like even
141 00:18:43.010 ⇒ 00:18:47.119 Jillian Foley: like a month ago. The one else have started recruiting for
142 00:18:47.656 ⇒ 00:18:57.990 Jillian Foley: the one only. The full-time students have started recruitment for big law, which is kind of crazy. So it’s like recruit recruiting for a summer position for next summer.
143 00:18:57.990 ⇒ 00:18:58.520 Robert Tseng: Wow!
144 00:18:58.520 ⇒ 00:19:01.049 Jillian Foley: That summer position is
145 00:19:01.480 ⇒ 00:19:12.520 Jillian Foley: kind of guaranteed like. If you accept the position you do the summer position, you’re supposed to get a full time job offer. So like kind of they are now recruiting for
146 00:19:13.250 ⇒ 00:19:24.139 Jillian Foley: post-grad jobs. Now, the 2 L. Evening student, I’m also doing that. So even though I’m a 2 l. For, like big law purposes, I’m a 1 l.
147 00:19:24.750 ⇒ 00:19:31.629 Jillian Foley: so it’s very nice that I didn’t have to do this last year. And
148 00:19:31.760 ⇒ 00:19:35.629 Jillian Foley: it’s nice that you have like kind of an extra summer to
149 00:19:36.180 ⇒ 00:19:39.063 Jillian Foley: relax. Do whatever you want.
150 00:19:40.510 ⇒ 00:19:53.080 Jillian Foley: I like. Wasn’t interested in big law at all, and like 2 months ago. I was like, I guess I have to do it because it’s now or never. So yeah, I’m not.
151 00:19:54.560 ⇒ 00:19:56.670 Jillian Foley: Yeah. As an evening student, I’m not like
152 00:19:57.640 ⇒ 00:20:02.639 Jillian Foley: pressured to like. Figure out what’s going on after graduation.
153 00:20:04.260 ⇒ 00:20:10.760 Jillian Foley: But yeah, I haven’t done any internships so like my job now is legal. So I.
154 00:20:10.760 ⇒ 00:20:11.430 Robert Tseng: Oh, okay.
155 00:20:11.430 ⇒ 00:20:19.449 Jillian Foley: So I think I’m I’m not like I don’t really need to do an internship. I would like to, but I don’t.
156 00:20:19.600 ⇒ 00:20:20.846 Jillian Foley: If anything.
157 00:20:21.940 ⇒ 00:20:29.020 Jillian Foley: Fordham has clinics, which is, you know, like a student run law firm, and
158 00:20:29.190 ⇒ 00:20:38.649 Jillian Foley: that could that also fulfills the pro Bono requirements. So I would probably try and get into one of those, and and they have some of those at night, too, which is really.
159 00:20:38.650 ⇒ 00:20:39.370 Robert Tseng: Minutes.
160 00:20:40.860 ⇒ 00:20:59.350 Jillian Foley: But yeah, other than that, I’ve done like jobs at school. I’ve had a lot of jobs at school. I’m part of a bunch of clubs, too. So you can. You also, besides, like the post grad stuff, you can be as involved as you want to be. A lot of evening. Students aren’t like, understandably, school is
161 00:20:59.490 ⇒ 00:21:06.539 Jillian Foley: enough as it is. But I’ve really liked being involved and
162 00:21:07.000 ⇒ 00:21:09.870 Jillian Foley: making some extra money is really nice.
163 00:21:10.360 ⇒ 00:21:17.030 Jillian Foley: So yeah, there’s a lot of opportunities outside of strictly like internships.
164 00:21:18.450 ⇒ 00:21:33.040 Robert Tseng: Got it cool. That’s good to hear. Yeah, I mean, I think I’d like to kind of just pivot in a different direction or kind of sharing a bit more about like my interest in law school. And yeah, I’d be curious to know if you have any resources that you would recommend
165 00:21:33.660 ⇒ 00:21:37.869 Robert Tseng: like things. I should look into it in school. Or if you know people that are
166 00:21:39.070 ⇒ 00:21:41.709 Robert Tseng: or yeah, if you just know anyone else that I should be talking to.
167 00:21:43.035 ⇒ 00:21:52.990 Robert Tseng: I’m sorry I felt that coming on, and I was like, Please don’t come out. Yeah. This this spring is. The Allergies have been crazy for me.
168 00:21:52.990 ⇒ 00:21:53.410 Jillian Foley: I know.
169 00:21:54.210 ⇒ 00:22:07.269 Robert Tseng: Yeah. Oh, man, I lost my train of thought. Oh, right? Okay. So yeah, I think my purpose going to law school, or at least my reason is to I think I want to go into public interest law, actually. So.
170 00:22:07.738 ⇒ 00:22:14.990 Robert Tseng: I don’t exactly know what I already I do. Some volunteering at a pro bono legal clinic right now. So it kind of touches immigration and housing
171 00:22:15.720 ⇒ 00:22:20.189 Robert Tseng: and family law, I guess. And yeah, I mean, I I think
172 00:22:20.470 ⇒ 00:22:35.009 Robert Tseng: I was drawn to Fordham, because, you know, they have the public interest resource center seems like, you know, between some of the other bigger law schools in the city. They had more resources and connections to people who are practicing in in these areas.
173 00:22:35.621 ⇒ 00:22:41.258 Robert Tseng: Yeah, I don’t know if you know anybody in the evening kind of program. That’s more public interest focus. And
174 00:22:43.250 ⇒ 00:22:51.760 Robert Tseng: yeah, like, I would love to hear more about like anything that you’ve come across. Yeah.
175 00:22:52.190 ⇒ 00:22:57.585 Jillian Foley: Yeah, I think there. So I, Fordham does like
176 00:22:59.130 ⇒ 00:23:02.280 Jillian Foley: think it’s called a Stein scholar, and.
177 00:23:02.280 ⇒ 00:23:03.990 Robert Tseng: Right. I heard I heard about that.
178 00:23:03.990 ⇒ 00:23:11.409 Jillian Foley: Right? Yeah. So I’m pretty sure there’s like one or 2 people in my section that are Stein scholars.
179 00:23:11.410 ⇒ 00:23:12.030 Robert Tseng: Hmm.
180 00:23:12.340 ⇒ 00:23:27.550 Jillian Foley: So I can definitely let you know what? Well you know. Let me confirm that they are, because I don’t want you to reach out to someone who is not telling you they are so I’ll confirm with them. And then I could pass along their contact, info.
181 00:23:27.890 ⇒ 00:23:29.850 Robert Tseng: Okay, yeah, that would be super helpful.
182 00:23:30.020 ⇒ 00:23:40.599 Robert Tseng: And then you said you mentioned you were looking for some clinics, and you know, trying to fill your pro bono. Yeah, I guess you. It seems like you have to do something with promo. How how do you like? What do you?
183 00:23:40.810 ⇒ 00:23:44.800 Robert Tseng: How do you feel like you’re gonna what? What opportunities are you seeking out and
184 00:23:44.930 ⇒ 00:23:46.969 Robert Tseng: like, how did that process?
185 00:23:47.270 ⇒ 00:23:49.419 Robert Tseng: How is that process going for you? Yeah.
186 00:23:50.470 ⇒ 00:23:52.830 Jillian Foley: Yeah. So for a lot of
187 00:23:53.130 ⇒ 00:23:57.879 Jillian Foley: so I’ve also applied for like actual internships at outside
188 00:23:58.240 ⇒ 00:24:05.860 Jillian Foley: companies and public interest organizations. And they all are very strict on like
189 00:24:06.920 ⇒ 00:24:08.919 Jillian Foley: being in person and doing work like they’re not
190 00:24:09.570 ⇒ 00:24:14.749 Jillian Foley: remote. So that’s already really hard for me. But Fordham has
191 00:24:15.140 ⇒ 00:24:18.460 Jillian Foley: an IP clinic, which would be really great. I.
192 00:24:19.360 ⇒ 00:24:23.610 Jillian Foley: Obviously. And so that’s the one I’m trying. I applied for it
193 00:24:23.880 ⇒ 00:24:30.740 Jillian Foley: for the fall, and I haven’t heard back yet. So you do. You do have to apply for clinics, and.
194 00:24:31.970 ⇒ 00:24:47.720 Jillian Foley: like the later on you are in law school. The more priority you receive and typically like, if you want to do a clinic, you will be able to get into one but it might not be like the one you want to do. But Fordham really
195 00:24:48.520 ⇒ 00:24:59.859 Jillian Foley: is like proud of their clinics, and they want students to be involved in them. So I’m assuming that I’m going to get into one at some point. Maybe it’s not going to be IP, but I’m going to get into one
196 00:25:00.800 ⇒ 00:25:03.829 Jillian Foley: But yeah, other than that.
197 00:25:04.310 ⇒ 00:25:09.269 Jillian Foley: So I had. I met with someone from the public interest resource center
198 00:25:09.630 ⇒ 00:25:16.669 Jillian Foley: about 2 months ago, because I wasn’t sure if I wanted to do public interest or do the big law thing.
199 00:25:16.800 ⇒ 00:25:22.779 Jillian Foley: And I was asking about, like the vibe of public right now. And like
200 00:25:23.250 ⇒ 00:25:30.939 Jillian Foley: also, there’s just not a lot of public interest opportunities in the music industry, unfortunately, but it’s, you know.
201 00:25:32.720 ⇒ 00:25:43.649 Jillian Foley: difficult right now, I would say with trump, obviously, and not that I was persuaded not to go down that route, but
202 00:25:46.740 ⇒ 00:25:48.010 Jillian Foley: She was just
203 00:25:48.420 ⇒ 00:25:56.369 Jillian Foley: telling me to be cautious, I guess, and and not even that. You know, jobs are going away. But it’s also
204 00:25:56.890 ⇒ 00:26:00.050 Jillian Foley: I was talking to her about loans, and you know you get
205 00:26:00.150 ⇒ 00:26:03.090 Jillian Foley: as of now you get loan forgiveness, and.
206 00:26:03.090 ⇒ 00:26:03.720 Robert Tseng: Right.
207 00:26:03.720 ⇒ 00:26:04.749 Jillian Foley: She was like.
208 00:26:05.180 ⇒ 00:26:17.394 Jillian Foley: we don’t know what’s going to happen with that. Not that it’s going to go away or anything like that, but I think you know, everyone is like kind of scared in the public interest realm, which is really sad.
209 00:26:17.700 ⇒ 00:26:18.410 Robert Tseng: Hmm.
210 00:26:18.410 ⇒ 00:26:21.499 Jillian Foley: I don’t know. Take all that with a grain of salt. I just
211 00:26:23.350 ⇒ 00:26:26.979 Jillian Foley: yeah, again, I don’t. I’m not telling you this to not do public interest.
212 00:26:26.980 ⇒ 00:26:27.440 Robert Tseng: Yeah.
213 00:26:28.520 ⇒ 00:26:32.460 Jillian Foley: But it’s you know it’s uncertain times.
214 00:26:32.770 ⇒ 00:26:34.716 Robert Tseng: Yeah, yeah, no, that’s totally fair. I think.
215 00:26:35.720 ⇒ 00:26:40.140 Robert Tseng: that’s my intention. But, like, obviously, things can change. And
216 00:26:40.370 ⇒ 00:26:44.169 Robert Tseng: I think want to be open to exploring whatever possible has to offer. Yeah.
217 00:26:44.170 ⇒ 00:26:45.060 Jillian Foley: Yeah, yeah.
218 00:26:45.240 ⇒ 00:26:48.770 Robert Tseng: Yeah, okay, yeah, that’s super helpful, super helpful.
219 00:26:49.565 ⇒ 00:26:56.364 Robert Tseng: Yeah. I mean, those are like, really, my main questions. I think, yeah, this is helpful to hear about kind of your experience.
220 00:26:57.100 ⇒ 00:27:01.520 Robert Tseng: and yeah, I mean, I think.
221 00:27:02.740 ⇒ 00:27:05.820 Robert Tseng: just by clicking. Is there anything else like.
222 00:27:07.760 ⇒ 00:27:14.702 Robert Tseng: yeah, I mean, I think if I have any other questions like, if you’re open to it, I’d love to just reach out. Set it all up.
223 00:27:14.960 ⇒ 00:27:15.310 Jillian Foley: Yeah, definitely.
224 00:27:16.220 ⇒ 00:27:20.620 Robert Tseng: And then I know that you mentioned you might kind of look into connecting with a couple of people.
225 00:27:21.280 ⇒ 00:27:25.020 Robert Tseng: Yeah, other than that. Yeah, I really appreciate your time. I think this was.
226 00:27:25.020 ⇒ 00:27:26.360 Jillian Foley: Yeah, of course.
227 00:27:26.360 ⇒ 00:27:30.149 Robert Tseng: That was great. Great conversation learned more about the evening program today than I
228 00:27:30.660 ⇒ 00:27:33.050 Robert Tseng: knew anything about before this. So yeah.
229 00:27:33.050 ⇒ 00:27:39.589 Jillian Foley: Yeah, yeah, no. I’m happy to answer any other questions you have. I? Next year I’ll be the like
230 00:27:39.830 ⇒ 00:27:44.760 Jillian Foley: Vp. Of the Evening Division for the Student Bar Association, so.
231 00:27:44.760 ⇒ 00:27:45.500 Robert Tseng: Oh, cool!
232 00:27:45.500 ⇒ 00:27:51.679 Jillian Foley: I will be more and more involved as time goes on, so very happy to help and
233 00:27:52.346 ⇒ 00:27:58.200 Jillian Foley: try and connect you with some more people that are public interest focused and can really answer some of your questions. So.
234 00:27:58.720 ⇒ 00:27:59.270 Robert Tseng: Awesome.
235 00:28:00.490 ⇒ 00:28:04.149 Jillian Foley: Good luck with your decision and
236 00:28:04.280 ⇒ 00:28:12.389 Jillian Foley: everything. It’s exciting going to law school, so I think it is. I like it so I know I said a lot of stuff. But I really.
237 00:28:12.720 ⇒ 00:28:16.555 Jillian Foley: I really like, you know, being a law student, and I like boredom. So.
238 00:28:16.830 ⇒ 00:28:18.520 Robert Tseng: Yeah. Great to hear.
239 00:28:18.520 ⇒ 00:28:19.140 Jillian Foley: Yeah.
240 00:28:20.070 ⇒ 00:28:26.650 Robert Tseng: Alright. Well, yeah, thanks for your time, Julie and Jim, and yeah have fun in Ireland. And I guess talk to you soon.
241 00:28:26.650 ⇒ 00:28:28.749 Jillian Foley: Thank you. Thanks. Enjoy your summer.
242 00:28:29.410 ⇒ 00:28:30.520 Jillian Foley: Alright, bye.