Meeting Title: Miguel de Veyra’s Zoom Meeting Date: 2025-05-13 Meeting participants: Miguel De Veyra, Uttam Kumaran


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1 00:06:42.160 00:06:43.580 Uttam Kumaran: Hey, Miguel, can you hear me?

2 00:06:43.916 00:06:44.924 Miguel de Veyra: Hey, mate? Yep.

3 00:06:45.260 00:06:49.339 Uttam Kumaran: Okay, I’m just going for a walk.

4 00:06:49.500 00:06:50.900 Miguel de Veyra: To the coffee shop.

5 00:06:51.270 00:06:52.700 Uttam Kumaran: Sorry if it’s loud.

6 00:06:53.760 00:06:54.879 Miguel de Veyra: No, it’s pretty. Okay.

7 00:06:55.300 00:06:57.660 Uttam Kumaran: Okay, how’s everything?

8 00:06:58.636 00:07:06.869 Miguel de Veyra: Yeah, doing. Great I think, Mcp, that’s what I did most of my time. So I tried testing it out a bit. But yeah, that

9 00:07:07.740 00:07:08.130 Miguel de Veyra: to work

10 00:07:09.593 00:07:16.259 Miguel de Veyra: didn’t get want to get stopped on getting something to work. I just did most of my time on these.

11 00:07:16.810 00:07:17.440 Miguel de Veyra: Okay.

12 00:07:17.440 00:07:27.380 Miguel de Veyra: but yes, basically, it’s just another source of context. And then we can basically just we can still use that. What one of my biggest worries was that

13 00:07:27.680 00:07:32.889 Miguel de Veyra: we wasted time on the rack stuff. But then, you know, we don’t actually have.

14 00:07:32.890 00:07:34.810 Uttam Kumaran: Do you think? Do you think it’s better than rag.

15 00:07:36.217 00:07:39.630 Miguel de Veyra: Google, Reddit and Gpt says so. Yes.

16 00:07:40.180 00:07:41.870 Uttam Kumaran: But the the thing is, it’s like

17 00:07:42.600 00:07:48.071 Uttam Kumaran: I I still am not I. I’m I want you to be convinced, based on what we see in the in the

18 00:07:48.490 00:07:49.240 Miguel de Veyra: Testing. Yes.

19 00:07:49.240 00:07:50.399 Uttam Kumaran: In the results. Yeah, like.

20 00:07:50.910 00:08:01.259 Uttam Kumaran: because can I give you? Can I give you an example? Dude rag just came out like a year ago Mcp came out like 3 months ago, so only God knows what’s going to stick.

21 00:08:01.420 00:08:10.170 Uttam Kumaran: So I want us to research. But then come to our own conclusion, right? Like Mcp, for example, I think basically, Mcp is like a rest. Api

22 00:08:10.280 00:08:14.909 Uttam Kumaran: for your agents. It’s basically like they’re releasing their own tool right?

23 00:08:14.910 00:08:25.929 Miguel de Veyra: Yeah. Cause. From what I understood, at least from my research, I find out I’m still trying to make sure it’s the right thing. But basically, we can use rag as one source of Mcp.

24 00:08:28.380 00:08:29.740 Uttam Kumaran: Yes, yes.

25 00:08:30.350 00:08:31.230 Miguel de Veyra: So exactly.

26 00:08:31.230 00:08:36.070 Miguel de Veyra: our best course of action would be to be to use both like it’s gonna be the best of both worlds.

27 00:08:36.679 00:08:43.529 Uttam Kumaran: That’s exactly right. Like, for example, I think, like linear Mcp. I don’t know whether you could do all the things that we need

28 00:08:43.659 00:08:44.139 Uttam Kumaran: bye.

29 00:08:44.140 00:08:44.620 Miguel de Veyra: Yes.

30 00:08:44.620 00:08:46.740 Uttam Kumaran: Can we? Can we actually like

31 00:08:46.840 00:08:52.090 Uttam Kumaran: literally get every ticket like it’s from A from a Mcp call like, I don’t know.

32 00:08:52.380 00:08:52.940 Miguel de Veyra: Yep.

33 00:08:53.530 00:08:59.129 Uttam Kumaran: Right. So I think it’s worth trying. My only point is that

34 00:08:59.280 00:09:04.740 Uttam Kumaran: I don’t want us to get caught up in another like month of stuff so

35 00:09:04.960 00:09:07.750 Uttam Kumaran: like time box it. But, like

36 00:09:07.950 00:09:14.080 Uttam Kumaran: I, I sort of want to get these agents, and I think Casey finished a lot of the quick fixes.

37 00:09:14.080 00:09:17.290 Miguel de Veyra: Yes, so I want to sort of be able to ship it.

38 00:09:17.480 00:09:20.030 Uttam Kumaran: So, especially for Kyle to start to use.

39 00:09:22.040 00:09:30.189 Miguel de Veyra: Yeah, okay, I think most of the quick fixes are done. And then, yeah, I’ll I’ll start although it depends on the pull parts one, because I’m

40 00:09:30.710 00:09:34.380 Miguel de Veyra: yeah, cause I believe there’s AI work for pool parts, right? I’m gonna.

41 00:09:34.380 00:09:37.470 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah. So that’s why I want. That’s why I want like this to

42 00:09:37.660 00:09:40.290 Uttam Kumaran: that close cause your time’s gonna go there. Yeah.

43 00:09:40.290 00:09:40.880 Miguel de Veyra: Yeah.

44 00:09:41.600 00:09:43.060 Uttam Kumaran: Although that that’s like

45 00:09:43.200 00:09:51.669 Uttam Kumaran: I, the the work for them is only 10 to 15 h of work like they want to see something by Friday. And did you take a look at that document by chance?

46 00:09:52.160 00:09:54.590 Miguel de Veyra: I’m sorry. No, not yet. I’ll look at it later.

47 00:09:54.820 00:10:06.840 Uttam Kumaran: If you look at it and take it, take 90 seconds. It literally is like they just want a simple web ui on top of a like a set of prompts for this specific topic.

48 00:10:07.190 00:10:07.910 Uttam Kumaran: So.

49 00:10:07.910 00:10:08.540 Miguel de Veyra: Okay. Okay.

50 00:10:08.540 00:10:24.800 Uttam Kumaran: Honestly, it could be some like we. We could release it on the demo. We could release it on the demo site. They just want it branded a little bit, but we can release it on the demo site. Have them try it, and then I don’t know where wherever they want to host it. They can tell us where they want to host it later.

51 00:10:25.260 00:10:25.839 Miguel de Veyra: Okay. Sure.

52 00:10:25.840 00:10:30.870 Uttam Kumaran: Really simple thing. The the honestly I would I would do the image thing last.

53 00:10:31.350 00:10:31.890 Miguel de Veyra: Yeah, yeah.

54 00:10:31.890 00:10:32.790 Uttam Kumaran: Don’t work.

55 00:10:33.390 00:10:34.250 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah.

56 00:10:34.640 00:10:39.050 Miguel de Veyra: Because I don’t think we have like a working model for that one yet per image.

57 00:10:39.050 00:10:43.680 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, exactly. But it’s also it’s also good, because we can leave it as a demo. Once we figure it out.

58 00:10:43.900 00:10:45.330 Miguel de Veyra: Yes, yes. Exactly.

59 00:10:46.187 00:10:47.350 Miguel de Veyra: Yeah. Okay. So.

60 00:10:47.350 00:10:48.760 Uttam Kumaran: So on the yeah, on the

61 00:10:48.980 00:10:55.790 Uttam Kumaran: yeah, on the demo site. So I spent a bunch of time thinking about it yesterday. I also asked Amber and Hannah for feedback

62 00:10:56.238 00:11:00.829 Uttam Kumaran: like. So guess give me a sense like, how hard is it to actually

63 00:11:01.060 00:11:04.610 Uttam Kumaran: develop the designs a little bit like.

64 00:11:04.920 00:11:09.289 Uttam Kumaran: tell me like what’s what’s easy, what’s hard? And are you just like kind of vibe coding the whole thing.

65 00:11:09.290 00:11:11.100 Miguel de Veyra: Yeah, I’m vibecoding the entire thing.

66 00:11:11.330 00:11:12.319 Miguel de Veyra: I’m gonna be honest.

67 00:11:12.320 00:11:13.270 Uttam Kumaran: Okay, so

68 00:11:13.620 00:11:24.350 Uttam Kumaran: that’s fine. I mean, I’m okay. I that’s all I just want to know. Cause then I’m like, Okay, I can also go in and make Pr. So then are you when you, when you test locally, are you just running a local host? Or how are you testing.

69 00:11:25.184 00:11:32.860 Miguel de Veyra: I run on local host, and then, if I need to actually test it, you know, if I’m not confident enough, I I do it via Ng rock.

70 00:11:33.700 00:11:34.420 Uttam Kumaran: Okay.

71 00:11:34.420 00:11:43.529 Miguel de Veyra: And then, but most of the time, because no one really uses the demo site that much. So I just do it there and then I just, you know, revert it. If it’s if it’s a bit fucked.

72 00:11:44.960 00:12:00.010 Uttam Kumaran: Okay. So I think you know, once I’m getting a little bit more time in the mornings, so I can. I can help put some Prs or change copy and stuff, and I can have you review those Prs, and then I think you did write like a read me on how to run this locally right

73 00:12:00.910 00:12:02.109 Uttam Kumaran: in the repo.

74 00:12:02.860 00:12:04.159 Miguel de Veyra: Sorry, which one.

75 00:12:04.750 00:12:08.059 Uttam Kumaran: Like for the for this, for the site.

76 00:12:08.640 00:12:08.900 Miguel de Veyra: Yes!

77 00:12:08.900 00:12:09.730 Uttam Kumaran: I’m outside.

78 00:12:11.290 00:12:12.470 Uttam Kumaran: Okay, okay?

79 00:12:12.730 00:12:24.539 Uttam Kumaran: So I think there’s a couple of things. One, like we’re gonna push the shit out of this. So every client that we go after we’re basically gonna share we’re gonna share the demos in one way or another.

80 00:12:25.820 00:12:37.279 Uttam Kumaran: so a couple of things that I think we want to expand this to. So one is, I don’t think the Demos are just gonna be for application. Demos. I think we’re gonna have several different sort of demo types like.

81 00:12:37.400 00:12:42.479 Uttam Kumaran: we’re gonna have demo examples of our analysis, which is gonna be like Google slides.

82 00:12:42.620 00:12:46.960 Uttam Kumaran: So we may want to embed Google slides. We may have demo analysis of, like

83 00:12:47.110 00:13:10.520 Uttam Kumaran: one of our meetings. So we want to embed loom or or Youtube. The other thing is, we also will have demos of real. So we wanna we want to be able to embed real dashboards based on topics. For example, I have we. We have a real, a fake real dashboard on podcast analytics. Right? And I want to be able to embed that.

84 00:13:11.100 00:13:14.630 Uttam Kumaran: I want to be able to embed that in the actual

85 00:13:14.910 00:13:24.199 Uttam Kumaran: demo site. So people can click around. So I think we’re gonna have a different, a couple of different like iframe situations. So I think the number. One thing is like, if you can.

86 00:13:24.960 00:13:29.679 Uttam Kumaran: I think 2 things. One. I want to make it easy for us to get more Demos on. There.

87 00:13:30.050 00:13:30.370 Miguel de Veyra: Yeah.

88 00:13:30.370 00:13:34.829 Uttam Kumaran: Think, think about like how we can make it more seamless for

89 00:13:35.240 00:13:38.380 Uttam Kumaran: the the business to request a new demo

90 00:13:38.490 00:13:41.730 Uttam Kumaran: right like, maybe this is a ticket or something

91 00:13:41.860 00:13:49.059 Uttam Kumaran: where they say, Okay, what is the demo like? What information you would need from a salesperson to add a new demo on the site right.

92 00:13:49.060 00:13:49.480 Miguel de Veyra: Yep.

93 00:13:49.480 00:13:53.809 Uttam Kumaran: So this is where, like, I want us to think about systems more because

94 00:13:53.960 00:14:02.249 Uttam Kumaran: a anyone who works on sales, I want them to be able to add a new demo or modify an existing demo, but I want them to be able to do that through a request to the team.

95 00:14:03.140 00:14:06.149 Uttam Kumaran: So I think one simple thing is just creating a linear. Ask.

96 00:14:08.140 00:14:09.110 Uttam Kumaran: Where

97 00:14:09.280 00:14:16.700 Uttam Kumaran: you can just have people ask, Hey, I want a new demo, or I want to modify an existing demo, and they can put the details of what their request is.

98 00:14:17.470 00:14:20.149 Uttam Kumaran: So that’s 1 very, very basic thing.

99 00:14:21.490 00:14:30.420 Uttam Kumaran: The second item, is that we want the demo site to evolve based on domain. So like.

100 00:14:30.640 00:14:37.749 Uttam Kumaran: it needs to be like, okay, this is focused on this is for marketing people. This is for X people. So we want to have, like almost categories.

101 00:14:37.750 00:14:38.050 Miguel de Veyra: Yep.

102 00:14:38.814 00:14:41.949 Uttam Kumaran: And then we we need to have some level of like.

103 00:14:42.870 00:14:53.410 Uttam Kumaran: yeah, I don’t know whether it’s like a i i sent some. If you check out that notion I sent you’ll see, like some of the feedback that I I got from Chat Gbt.

104 00:14:54.066 00:14:54.500 Miguel de Veyra: Yes! Yes!

105 00:14:55.020 00:14:59.639 Uttam Kumaran: You want to open on your side, because it’ll it’s did a better job at explaining it than I did.

106 00:15:02.230 00:15:02.700 Miguel de Veyra: Okay, right?

107 00:15:02.700 00:15:10.790 Uttam Kumaran: Basically like you want to have like a section that’s like for marketers for salespeople. And then they can click on that. And they can see the demos that are.

108 00:15:11.330 00:15:15.779 Miguel de Veyra: Basically, we need to have like a home page. I think you mentioned that somewhere, but I’m trying to find it.

109 00:15:16.770 00:15:20.360 Uttam Kumaran: It’s I think it’s in this AI team thread, or it’s in Brand.

110 00:15:29.430 00:15:32.869 Miguel de Veyra: I think I saw that yesterday. But wait, let me try to find it.

111 00:15:33.980 00:15:37.149 Uttam Kumaran: Or go into notion and just search for demo website, feedback.

112 00:15:37.150 00:15:37.810 Miguel de Veyra: Okay.

113 00:15:39.240 00:15:41.180 Uttam Kumaran: Send documentation.

114 00:15:41.550 00:15:42.190 Miguel de Veyra: Okay.

115 00:15:45.950 00:15:48.339 Miguel de Veyra: demo website.

116 00:15:53.630 00:15:54.509 Uttam Kumaran: You see it.

117 00:15:55.298 00:15:56.690 Miguel de Veyra: Do you want me to share screen.

118 00:15:57.672 00:16:01.140 Uttam Kumaran: No, no, I just want to make sure you can see it, because I I know what it says.

119 00:16:01.140 00:16:06.750 Miguel de Veyra: Okay, okay, give me one more moment.

120 00:16:17.370 00:16:19.699 Miguel de Veyra: It’s under documentation.

121 00:16:26.395 00:16:29.999 Miguel de Veyra: Yeah. Demo reinforce Demo Site optimization strategy.

122 00:16:30.840 00:16:31.490 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah.

123 00:16:31.490 00:16:39.269 Miguel de Veyra: Okay, okay, yeah. Elevate the hero section. Yeah, definitely. So don’t just tell.

124 00:16:41.500 00:16:50.180 Uttam Kumaran: So I cause I don’t want. I don’t want. If if design does it, they may give you like. I mean, I don’t know. It’s up to you like you. We can get it designed by the design team. If you want.

125 00:16:51.840 00:16:56.730 Miguel de Veyra: Yeah, yeah, I think that I I would honestly ask them. So it’s cause I’m not that good in design.

126 00:16:57.260 00:17:01.380 Miguel de Veyra: Okay? But like, I think I’m gonna I’m having them give feedback on this document.

127 00:17:01.560 00:17:02.860 Miguel de Veyra: Yeah, so.

128 00:17:03.300 00:17:16.080 Uttam Kumaran: Maybe we’ll just start from this document and then I’ll have them. But like, so when you’re vibe coding like, are you just gonna put in the images that they give or like, how do you give the like? If they, if they build a design, how do you give those instructions to cursor.

129 00:17:16.957 00:17:24.729 Miguel de Veyra: I just give them the images, but it’s not as good, of course. So once it’s there, you know. At least you have something to work with.

130 00:17:25.440 00:17:27.400 Uttam Kumaran: Okay, okay? And then you go piece by piece.

131 00:17:27.400 00:17:32.929 Miguel de Veyra: Yeah. Yeah. And because I’m not really, what do you call this? I don’t really want to start from scratch, because it’s a waste of.

132 00:17:33.550 00:17:36.200 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. No. Don’t start from scratch.

133 00:17:36.320 00:17:38.479 Uttam Kumaran: But okay, perfect. So

134 00:17:39.060 00:17:44.787 Uttam Kumaran: that’s 1 thing, I think. Take a look at what it says in the document, basically like headers for different sections.

135 00:17:46.160 00:17:53.099 Uttam Kumaran: And then, yeah, I think the the number one technology unlock is if you can get an iframe of a couple of other types of

136 00:17:53.310 00:17:54.979 Uttam Kumaran: Demos on there.

137 00:17:55.420 00:17:56.010 Miguel de Veyra: Okay.

138 00:17:56.010 00:18:02.950 Uttam Kumaran: Cause. Cause. If if we can solve that, that’s a technical thing that the design team isn’t gonna be able to be helpful for.

139 00:18:03.230 00:18:04.250 Uttam Kumaran: So.

140 00:18:06.860 00:18:10.320 Miguel de Veyra: So iframe of rail iframe. So rail.

141 00:18:11.970 00:18:15.159 Miguel de Veyra: what else do we need? Do we wanna iframe here.

142 00:18:16.968 00:18:19.620 Uttam Kumaran: We wanna iframe rail we wanna iframe

143 00:18:25.970 00:18:27.500 Uttam Kumaran: trying to think what else.

144 00:18:28.290 00:18:30.349 Miguel de Veyra: I think that’s fine for now, so we don’t overthink.

145 00:18:30.980 00:18:32.840 Uttam Kumaran: Okay, we’ll just add it along the way. Yeah.

146 00:18:33.850 00:18:36.819 Miguel de Veyra: Okay. So ideally, there’s gonna be like, you know.

147 00:18:37.870 00:18:42.749 Miguel de Veyra: alright for this demo. Sorry. Just wanna ask for this demo. It’s not gonna be exclusively for AI right.

148 00:18:43.260 00:18:45.640 Uttam Kumaran: No, no, it’s gonna be a couple of different things.

149 00:18:45.640 00:18:46.300 Miguel de Veyra: Okay. Okay. Sure.

150 00:18:46.300 00:18:48.919 Uttam Kumaran: Data. AI analytics. Yeah.

151 00:18:49.080 00:18:52.130 Miguel de Veyra: Okay, okay, so yeah, demo types.

152 00:18:52.710 00:18:59.770 Miguel de Veyra: AI analytics data here.

153 00:19:00.990 00:19:06.599 Miguel de Veyra: And then there’s gonna be subcategories. After that. Okay, yeah, should we have a meeting with the design team on this.

154 00:19:09.850 00:19:13.459 Uttam Kumaran: Yes, can you? Can we? Can you grab time?

155 00:19:13.710 00:19:24.369 Uttam Kumaran: I mean up to you like, maybe if you if you’re up then and Ann is going to be up, and I can ask Ann to take it. Otherwise, if we if we wait for Han, if we want Hannah, then it’s gonna be a bit a little bit longer.

156 00:19:24.770 00:19:27.879 Miguel de Veyra: I think we just yeah, I think we just do with.

157 00:19:28.240 00:19:33.899 Miguel de Veyra: And right now and then. Eventually, you know, Hannah can step in once we have, like an initial version out.

158 00:19:34.040 00:19:40.460 Uttam Kumaran: So put a placeholder for tomorrow evening.

159 00:19:41.140 00:19:42.000 Miguel de Veyra: Okay. Sure.

160 00:19:42.700 00:19:48.230 Uttam Kumaran: So tomorrow evening your time. So tomorrow morning and I will send.

161 00:19:48.350 00:19:50.840 Uttam Kumaran: Let’s send a bunch of notes today

162 00:19:51.040 00:19:53.790 Uttam Kumaran: so that Ann will work on it when she gets up.

163 00:19:55.990 00:19:59.959 Uttam Kumaran: and I it doesn’t need to be crazy. Design. I just want them to like, take a shot at something.

164 00:20:00.290 00:20:00.930 Miguel de Veyra: Yeah.

165 00:20:05.750 00:20:07.927 Uttam Kumaran: The other thing that’s important is

166 00:20:10.393 00:20:17.220 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, can. So I want to test out putting up slides and real like, do we have? Did we get far with the real stuff.

167 00:20:20.220 00:20:25.850 Miguel de Veyra: Sorry. What do you mean? Real stuff like the iframe.

168 00:20:27.870 00:20:30.259 Uttam Kumaran: Played on to the demo site at some point.

169 00:20:31.164 00:20:33.049 Miguel de Veyra: No, we haven’t really integrated that.

170 00:20:33.750 00:20:39.409 Uttam Kumaran: Can you search if I think there’s a ticket or something where I gave all the info on like what was needed.

171 00:20:40.060 00:20:43.610 Miguel de Veyra: Okay, is it in linear or notion? So I think it was in notion before.

172 00:20:43.610 00:20:45.480 Uttam Kumaran: I think it’s on linear.

173 00:20:45.720 00:20:46.620 Miguel de Veyra: Okay, sure.

174 00:20:47.440 00:20:49.120 Miguel de Veyra: And it’s on our board.

175 00:20:49.900 00:20:50.600 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah.

176 00:20:50.960 00:20:58.100 Miguel de Veyra: Okay, sure. Really drill dashboard for internal agents.

177 00:21:00.160 00:21:01.019 Miguel de Veyra: I don’t think that.

178 00:21:01.020 00:21:02.580 Uttam Kumaran: Well, no, no, no, I I’ll

179 00:21:02.810 00:21:05.799 Uttam Kumaran: I don’t think that’s it. There’s a search for real embed.

180 00:21:09.580 00:21:14.609 Uttam Kumaran: or maybe in slack. Remember, I sent like the iframe and stuff I was like. Hey, let’s try to give this one a shot.

181 00:21:15.400 00:21:19.569 Miguel de Veyra: Yeah, I think, wait. Yeah, I think I did something around that.

182 00:21:32.506 00:21:35.569 Miguel de Veyra: Yeah, yeah. I think Luke and I worked on it.

183 00:21:41.200 00:21:45.790 Uttam Kumaran: Take a look at that. I just have to. I’m gonna I have to hop to the sales call. But I can call you back.

184 00:21:48.140 00:21:53.029 Uttam Kumaran: or yeah. So the big, I mean, the couple like, maybe just to close out like, yeah, I want to embed Powerpoint.

185 00:21:53.170 00:21:55.710 Miguel de Veyra: Google slides. And I want to embed.

186 00:21:57.690 00:21:59.210 Uttam Kumaran: Real dashboards.

187 00:21:59.210 00:21:59.840 Miguel de Veyra: Okay. Okay.

188 00:21:59.840 00:22:02.590 Uttam Kumaran: And I want to do the typical AI Demos.

189 00:22:02.880 00:22:14.069 Uttam Kumaran: Those are the 3 types and videos is the 4 types. So if you could think about like if you could have, you can vibe code just like 4 template demo pages for each of those.

190 00:22:15.354 00:22:22.530 Uttam Kumaran: That way when when we you can go tell when we go tell. And we can tell her that these are the types of things that we’re gonna be showing on there.

191 00:22:22.530 00:22:23.820 Miguel de Veyra: Okay. Okay. Sure. Sure.

192 00:22:25.010 00:22:26.210 Uttam Kumaran: Okay. Okay. Alright.

193 00:22:26.210 00:22:27.069 Miguel de Veyra: Thanks, Utah. See you.

194 00:22:27.070 00:22:27.610 Uttam Kumaran: But.