Meeting Title: Zoom Meeting Date: 2025-04-29 Meeting participants: Robert Tseng, Hannah Wang
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1 00:00:24.820 ⇒ 00:00:26.470 Robert Tseng: Hello!
2 00:00:30.450 ⇒ 00:00:31.240 Hannah Wang: Hello!
3 00:00:32.090 ⇒ 00:00:32.780 Robert Tseng: Hello!
4 00:00:38.750 ⇒ 00:00:42.909 Robert Tseng: It’s all it’s your favorite person.
5 00:00:42.910 ⇒ 00:00:45.659 Hannah Wang: Oops. No, that’s not true.
6 00:00:45.970 ⇒ 00:00:50.330 Hannah Wang: Her favorite person is you probably.
7 00:00:51.570 ⇒ 00:00:52.170 Robert Tseng: Sure.
8 00:00:52.580 ⇒ 00:00:53.350 Hannah Wang: Okay.
9 00:00:59.520 ⇒ 00:01:02.380 Robert Tseng: Okay, you can just be it in the background.
10 00:01:02.380 ⇒ 00:01:02.960 Hannah Wang: Okay.
11 00:01:03.410 ⇒ 00:01:04.530 Robert Tseng: How’s it going.
12 00:01:07.040 ⇒ 00:01:09.960 Hannah Wang: Good, or oh.
13 00:01:10.610 ⇒ 00:01:11.530 Robert Tseng: I get water.
14 00:01:11.650 ⇒ 00:01:12.590 Hannah Wang: Okay,
15 00:01:14.190 ⇒ 00:01:20.410 Hannah Wang: Work is fine. I think I don’t know. I’m like coming back from a crazy
16 00:01:21.130 ⇒ 00:01:24.350 Hannah Wang: dog sitting adventure and weekend.
17 00:01:24.750 ⇒ 00:01:28.013 Hannah Wang: Basically, I took Lucy to the er at like 10 Pm.
18 00:01:29.110 ⇒ 00:01:30.000 Robert Tseng: What?
19 00:01:30.000 ⇒ 00:01:33.560 Hannah Wang: Because, oh, my gosh! So I was at
20 00:01:33.640 ⇒ 00:02:02.579 Hannah Wang: Jesse’s place, and, like Paul and Angie and Josh came over for dinner, and I wasn’t supposed to be there, but they’re like you should just stay for dinner. So I was like, Okay, but then I remembered I have to walk, Lucy. So Paul was like, Oh, I can go for you, cause he’s walked her before. And I was like, Are you sure he’s like, yeah. So he goes. He’s taking a long time, and he calls me, and he’s like, Oh! Was Lucy’s left paw bleeding when you were with her, and I was like no.
21 00:02:02.820 ⇒ 00:02:13.849 Hannah Wang: so apparently like she. He took her to the backyard, and she like escaped into the neighbor’s backyard through a little hole somewhere, and she like broke her nail like it kind of like.
22 00:02:14.030 ⇒ 00:02:30.869 Hannah Wang: I think it was so. It kinda like, you know, became perpendicular to her. So we had to take her to the vet like as a walk in. But we waited for like 3 out, like 2 to 3 h, basically for everything to be done.
23 00:02:31.930 ⇒ 00:02:43.629 Hannah Wang: And then we had her like go through a procedure to take out the nail, and then she has, like the cone and everything, and obviously the neighbors are gone, or the the owners are gone. So I was just like
24 00:02:43.760 ⇒ 00:02:49.510 Hannah Wang: trying to manage everything. But I came home at like midnight, and I was like what just happened. So
25 00:02:49.830 ⇒ 00:02:53.439 Hannah Wang: yeah, I was like kind of stressed cause I’ve never like
26 00:02:53.950 ⇒ 00:02:58.490 Hannah Wang: taken a dog to the vet and stuff like that.
27 00:02:59.093 ⇒ 00:03:04.100 Hannah Wang: And it’s so expensive like to take out a nail and get like nail trimming.
28 00:03:04.500 ⇒ 00:03:05.250 Robert Tseng: How much of it.
29 00:03:05.250 ⇒ 00:03:06.930 Hannah Wang: It’s like $400.
30 00:03:07.430 ⇒ 00:03:08.339 Robert Tseng: Holy Moly.
31 00:03:08.340 ⇒ 00:03:08.750 Hannah Wang: Yeah.
32 00:03:08.750 ⇒ 00:03:09.690 Robert Tseng: And nail, clipping.
33 00:03:10.230 ⇒ 00:03:16.439 Hannah Wang: And like taking out removing the nail from her her thumb hole.
34 00:03:17.580 ⇒ 00:03:26.200 Hannah Wang: Yeah. So whenever I like over there, like, it’s kind of chaotic.
35 00:03:27.400 ⇒ 00:03:31.627 Hannah Wang: I don’t know. So it’s nice to be home again.
36 00:03:32.360 ⇒ 00:03:34.540 Hannah Wang: Yeah, anyway.
37 00:03:36.750 ⇒ 00:03:43.200 Hannah Wang: Yeah, that was my week, just dog and stuff like that.
38 00:03:47.060 ⇒ 00:03:54.430 Hannah Wang: And his parents, Eric’s parents are here now. So hosting that, how’s the ant situation?
39 00:03:55.675 ⇒ 00:04:00.680 Hannah Wang: It’s getting better, but they’re still there. But the thing about.
40 00:04:00.680 ⇒ 00:04:01.850 Robert Tseng: Archer come, by the way.
41 00:04:02.960 ⇒ 00:04:04.640 Hannah Wang: Was it shipped? Did it say.
42 00:04:04.810 ⇒ 00:04:06.759 Robert Tseng: My goodness, it’s not there yet.
43 00:04:07.290 ⇒ 00:04:10.040 Hannah Wang: Well, it said 28th to 30.th So.
44 00:04:10.040 ⇒ 00:04:11.059 Robert Tseng: Oh, did it? Oh.
45 00:04:14.840 ⇒ 00:04:16.899 Robert Tseng: I haven’t checked on that in days.
46 00:04:17.540 ⇒ 00:04:22.720 Hannah Wang: It’s okay. I checked this morning. I wasn’t there, so.
47 00:04:23.350 ⇒ 00:04:24.560 Robert Tseng: It’s not arriving today.
48 00:04:24.900 ⇒ 00:04:25.670 Hannah Wang: Okay.
49 00:04:26.480 ⇒ 00:04:27.050 Robert Tseng: Yeah.
50 00:04:27.910 ⇒ 00:04:28.640 Hannah Wang: Sweet.
51 00:04:29.370 ⇒ 00:04:32.130 Robert Tseng: Okay, no, yeah. Sorry you were saying their experience.
52 00:04:33.530 ⇒ 00:04:41.739 Hannah Wang: Oh, the ants and his parents. So when they come they always like fix stuff miraculously. So I’m just gonna rely on them to fix the ant situation.
53 00:04:42.830 ⇒ 00:04:49.179 Hannah Wang: Yeah, but it’s better. Not as crazy. So finally.
54 00:04:49.180 ⇒ 00:04:49.610 Robert Tseng: Right now.
55 00:04:49.630 ⇒ 00:04:50.300 Hannah Wang: Oops.
56 00:04:50.974 ⇒ 00:04:56.840 Hannah Wang: Not yet. I mean, I have a puffer on so you can tell. It’s not not that hot.
57 00:04:57.040 ⇒ 00:04:57.650 Robert Tseng: Hmm.
58 00:04:58.320 ⇒ 00:04:59.439 Hannah Wang: Is it hot? There.
59 00:05:00.130 ⇒ 00:05:00.980 Robert Tseng: It’s getting hot.
60 00:05:01.300 ⇒ 00:05:02.170 Hannah Wang: Oh!
61 00:05:02.610 ⇒ 00:05:04.679 Robert Tseng: Yeah, but still very nice.
62 00:05:05.770 ⇒ 00:05:08.930 Hannah Wang: God, try it where you can run while you can.
63 00:05:08.930 ⇒ 00:05:17.849 Robert Tseng: I I have been going outside every day. Rachel’s been running, and she has a 5 k. On Sunday, so we’ve been running together most days
64 00:05:18.230 ⇒ 00:05:18.940 Robert Tseng: right.
65 00:05:20.970 ⇒ 00:05:23.410 Hannah Wang: Wait. Is this for work? The 5 K.
66 00:05:23.720 ⇒ 00:05:27.270 Robert Tseng: Yeah, she’s running it with her with her director.
67 00:05:27.990 ⇒ 00:05:29.079 Hannah Wang: Oh, Hannah!
68 00:05:29.750 ⇒ 00:05:32.270 Robert Tseng: Oh, 1 1 lady above Hannah.
69 00:05:32.270 ⇒ 00:05:33.320 Hannah Wang: Oh!
70 00:05:33.320 ⇒ 00:05:33.900 Robert Tseng: Yeah.
71 00:05:34.180 ⇒ 00:05:43.709 Robert Tseng: Her name is Panja Anya, but it’s Tanya with a J. So I call her Tanya.
72 00:05:43.950 ⇒ 00:05:44.820 Hannah Wang: I see.
73 00:05:44.950 ⇒ 00:05:45.710 Robert Tseng: Yeah.
74 00:05:47.470 ⇒ 00:05:48.100 Hannah Wang: Cool.
75 00:05:48.100 ⇒ 00:05:48.740 Robert Tseng: Yeah.
76 00:05:48.930 ⇒ 00:05:50.460 Hannah Wang: Running is nice.
77 00:05:51.860 ⇒ 00:05:54.159 Robert Tseng: You taking care of yourself better now.
78 00:05:54.930 ⇒ 00:05:59.410 Robert Tseng: You haven’t posted anything in our on our new Devo Channel.
79 00:05:59.600 ⇒ 00:06:02.899 Hannah Wang: Yeah, you know why, cause I haven’t been doing my.
80 00:06:03.230 ⇒ 00:06:05.369 Robert Tseng: I figured. That’s why I didn’t say anything.
81 00:06:05.370 ⇒ 00:06:07.689 Hannah Wang: Yeah, yeah, I just.
82 00:06:11.060 ⇒ 00:06:18.109 Hannah Wang: I feel like this whole year has been like in crazy. So I I don’t know. It’s like, I’m not in a good rhythm.
83 00:06:18.520 ⇒ 00:06:23.899 Hannah Wang: like I’m in a good rhythm for like 2 days, and then something happens, and then I just
84 00:06:24.020 ⇒ 00:06:25.049 Hannah Wang: fall off.
85 00:06:25.570 ⇒ 00:06:26.260 Robert Tseng: Yeah.
86 00:06:27.680 ⇒ 00:06:34.750 Hannah Wang: But I’m just alright. This is, gonna be my life. If I have a kid, it’s just like rolling with the punches. So
87 00:06:35.020 ⇒ 00:06:41.479 Hannah Wang: it’s it’s good. I think I need to learn to be more flexible and less structured. So I think
88 00:06:42.540 ⇒ 00:06:49.019 Hannah Wang: it’s good to just like surrender, whatever happens. Happens. Fine. So.
89 00:06:50.050 ⇒ 00:06:50.600 Hannah Wang: Yeah.
90 00:06:52.320 ⇒ 00:06:57.709 Hannah Wang: but thanks for posting on the Devo stuff. I read it, and I simmer on it, and it’s helpful.
91 00:06:58.190 ⇒ 00:07:04.520 Hannah Wang: And I wonder if anyone else saw it, or like, if they ever like, appreciate it. I don’t know.
92 00:07:04.730 ⇒ 00:07:05.710 Robert Tseng: I don’t know yet.
93 00:07:06.168 ⇒ 00:07:14.180 Robert Tseng: Yeah, I want to invite, probably invite. Well, we I’ll probably I’ll also know I might invite a couple of people here and there. I want to add Rachel to it.
94 00:07:14.530 ⇒ 00:07:15.240 Hannah Wang: Yeah.
95 00:07:15.740 ⇒ 00:07:16.350 Robert Tseng: Yeah.
96 00:07:16.350 ⇒ 00:07:19.010 Hannah Wang: How do you bring in external? Oh, you just like add them.
97 00:07:19.010 ⇒ 00:07:22.209 Robert Tseng: Yeah, it’s an external slack connect kind of thing. But
98 00:07:22.830 ⇒ 00:07:26.479 Robert Tseng: I’m not gonna bring her in until she’s ready to contribute.
99 00:07:27.640 ⇒ 00:07:28.420 Robert Tseng: Yeah.
100 00:07:28.420 ⇒ 00:07:36.020 Hannah Wang: Wait. Does this have to be like solely brain forge, or like solely work, related devos.
101 00:07:36.020 ⇒ 00:07:37.369 Robert Tseng: No, no, no, no.
102 00:07:37.370 ⇒ 00:07:38.190 Hannah Wang: Okay.
103 00:07:38.410 ⇒ 00:07:42.860 Hannah Wang: Cause I do think about stuff a lot. But it’s not all work related. So.
104 00:07:42.860 ⇒ 00:07:47.550 Robert Tseng: Yeah, I mean, I don’t think I I don’t think I posted work related stuff most of the time.
105 00:07:48.070 ⇒ 00:07:49.239 Hannah Wang: You did. Well.
106 00:07:49.240 ⇒ 00:07:49.950 Robert Tseng: I did.
107 00:07:50.520 ⇒ 00:07:52.889 Hannah Wang: It felt like it. I don’t know.
108 00:07:53.220 ⇒ 00:07:58.750 Robert Tseng: Oh, yeah, the most recent one I did but like my friend’s sister passing away definitely, not really.
109 00:07:58.750 ⇒ 00:07:59.100 Hannah Wang: Right.
110 00:07:59.100 ⇒ 00:07:59.880 Robert Tseng: The latest.
111 00:08:00.990 ⇒ 00:08:03.569 Robert Tseng: Yeah, but I mean to the way I envision. Huh!
112 00:08:03.930 ⇒ 00:08:05.420 Hannah Wang: Your friend’s name is Beau.
113 00:08:05.720 ⇒ 00:08:06.809 Robert Tseng: Yeah, I think both.
114 00:08:06.810 ⇒ 00:08:11.310 Hannah Wang: I was like, oh, is it the bow that works at with us or both? I was like, wait.
115 00:08:11.310 ⇒ 00:08:13.979 Robert Tseng: Oh, no. Yeah.
116 00:08:13.980 ⇒ 00:08:14.300 Hannah Wang: Okay.
117 00:08:14.300 ⇒ 00:08:15.790 Robert Tseng: He’s he’s a white bow.
118 00:08:15.790 ⇒ 00:08:16.315 Hannah Wang: Oh!
119 00:08:16.840 ⇒ 00:08:19.820 Robert Tseng: Yeah, yeah.
120 00:08:22.620 ⇒ 00:08:34.119 Robert Tseng: yeah. I mean, I don’t really care to throw this out to anything necessarily. But like, if anything, it’s just like I. I know that. You know there are people who also work remotely or have our obviously on slack, and
121 00:08:34.230 ⇒ 00:08:41.580 Robert Tseng: there’s no way their companies have something like this. So it’s like, well, they can now be added to a channel in their slack where they can go and also
122 00:08:42.400 ⇒ 00:08:49.830 Robert Tseng: hopefully be encouraged and share stuff as well. So yeah.
123 00:08:52.650 ⇒ 00:08:54.080 Hannah Wang: I will contribute.
124 00:08:54.770 ⇒ 00:09:00.550 Hannah Wang: I think, yeah, I’ve been like processing, or I guess it is work related. But just like.
125 00:09:03.450 ⇒ 00:09:06.049 Hannah Wang: yeah, like, I I don’t know.
126 00:09:06.440 ⇒ 00:09:20.980 Hannah Wang: like I think lately I’ve been wrestling with like Oh, what is actually like pleasing to the Lord, and like is what I’m doing pleasing to him, and I think I still have, like that Workspace mentality, where, if I’m not doing anything directly related to
127 00:09:21.620 ⇒ 00:09:26.689 Hannah Wang: like his kingdom work so like being a missionary, for example, I feel like it’s not
128 00:09:27.330 ⇒ 00:09:30.609 Hannah Wang: good or it’s not. It doesn’t count. But I’m like.
129 00:09:30.830 ⇒ 00:09:36.200 Hannah Wang: yeah. So obviously, that’s not right. That’s like, not a right mindset, but I think I still have that.
130 00:09:36.600 ⇒ 00:09:38.529 Hannah Wang: I guess Ica mentality
131 00:09:38.640 ⇒ 00:09:51.949 Hannah Wang: in me. I feel like everything I’m doing right now, like, even if I’m faithful to it. God doesn’t care and even like having kids, too, is like that was so downplayed in Ica that I’m like.
132 00:09:51.950 ⇒ 00:09:52.430 Robert Tseng: Yeah.
133 00:09:52.430 ⇒ 00:09:59.880 Hannah Wang: That’s like stupid like. Why would I? Why should I have kids? I should like be on the mission field and stuff so like through that.
134 00:10:00.170 ⇒ 00:10:05.250 Hannah Wang: and then also trying to figure out why I
135 00:10:06.180 ⇒ 00:10:14.469 Hannah Wang: want kids or like, I don’t like children, or I’m not like inclined to babies, and I don’t think they’re like that cute.
136 00:10:15.090 ⇒ 00:10:20.169 Hannah Wang: But I still feel like I should have kids. But it’s not like, I want it
137 00:10:20.310 ⇒ 00:10:24.330 Hannah Wang: necessarily. So. Yeah, still, thinking through that, too.
138 00:10:26.980 ⇒ 00:10:32.580 Hannah Wang: Yeah, it’s like I don’t. I don’t think babies are cute like I don’t think I’ll cry at a baby video like Rachel does.
139 00:10:32.690 ⇒ 00:10:33.576 Hannah Wang: I did.
140 00:10:34.250 ⇒ 00:10:35.119 Robert Tseng: Like, yeah.
141 00:10:35.260 ⇒ 00:10:41.089 Hannah Wang: Yeah, so like, why do I feel like I should have kids? Is it just because
142 00:10:41.300 ⇒ 00:10:43.929 Hannah Wang: it’s like the natural progression of life?
143 00:10:44.040 ⇒ 00:10:49.540 Hannah Wang: And I’m just like following the norm of adulthood. It’s like, Oh, get married! Have kids.
144 00:10:50.310 ⇒ 00:10:50.790 Robert Tseng: Okay.
145 00:10:50.790 ⇒ 00:10:52.181 Hannah Wang: It’s in the die.
146 00:10:52.530 ⇒ 00:10:53.150 Robert Tseng: Okay.
147 00:10:53.990 ⇒ 00:10:59.389 Hannah Wang: Yeah, but I don’t think I’ll ever know until I have my own kid.
148 00:10:59.860 ⇒ 00:11:08.710 Hannah Wang: It’s like, Yeah, my biggest fear is popping out this child and not loving it
149 00:11:09.310 ⇒ 00:11:15.979 Hannah Wang: like that’s my biggest fear. I’m like I grew you in my stomach, and I’m just like staring at you like. Why.
150 00:11:16.920 ⇒ 00:11:21.160 Hannah Wang: like I I don’t know you like. Why would I love you?
151 00:11:21.760 ⇒ 00:11:22.670 Robert Tseng: Hmm.
152 00:11:22.670 ⇒ 00:11:32.530 Hannah Wang: So that’s like one of my main fears of like having a kid. But I feel like every mom I talk to. They’re like, oh, no! As soon as you like, have it, you just have that like
153 00:11:33.070 ⇒ 00:11:39.510 Hannah Wang: like the fatherly God the Father love for your child. So I’m like, Okay, I think
154 00:11:40.370 ⇒ 00:11:48.230 Hannah Wang: I’ll hope that I have that, too, for it. So anyway, those are my
155 00:11:49.080 ⇒ 00:11:53.319 Hannah Wang: random thoughts. So yeah, I have stuff. It’s just I need to write it down.
156 00:11:53.690 ⇒ 00:11:54.550 Hannah Wang: Yeah.
157 00:11:54.550 ⇒ 00:12:00.292 Robert Tseng: Yeah, I mean writing it down is kind of tedious. So you could use AI or something.
158 00:12:00.630 ⇒ 00:12:12.130 Hannah Wang: Oh, boohoo! My my spiritual life! Well, maybe it might be helpful like, do this Bible study for me. I wonder what Chat Gbt will say.
159 00:12:12.130 ⇒ 00:12:13.300 Robert Tseng: It’s so good like.
160 00:12:13.300 ⇒ 00:12:13.810 Hannah Wang: I should send you.
161 00:12:13.810 ⇒ 00:12:16.679 Robert Tseng: Some of like my. The reflections of the day.
162 00:12:16.680 ⇒ 00:12:17.210 Hannah Wang: Oh!
163 00:12:17.210 ⇒ 00:12:19.386 Robert Tseng: Yeah, through it, with.
164 00:12:19.930 ⇒ 00:12:20.620 Hannah Wang: Crazy.
165 00:12:21.170 ⇒ 00:12:21.770 Robert Tseng: Yeah.
166 00:12:26.700 ⇒ 00:12:33.809 Robert Tseng: yeah, it’s wild. But yeah, yeah, I mean, I hope you all just
167 00:12:35.380 ⇒ 00:12:37.459 Robert Tseng: hope God will show you like, what?
168 00:12:41.750 ⇒ 00:12:45.819 Robert Tseng: yeah, I mean how, how he’s using you, where? Where you’re at?
169 00:12:46.050 ⇒ 00:12:46.450 Hannah Wang: Yeah.
170 00:12:46.450 ⇒ 00:12:46.970 Robert Tseng: You know.
171 00:12:47.360 ⇒ 00:12:54.400 Robert Tseng: I think Ica kind of like prepared us to be like the mission field is there like it looks like this. But.
172 00:12:54.400 ⇒ 00:12:54.940 Hannah Wang: Yeah.
173 00:12:54.940 ⇒ 00:13:00.065 Robert Tseng: It’s actually here. It’s like, everywhere, kind of thing. So and
174 00:13:02.190 ⇒ 00:13:04.870 Robert Tseng: yeah, I feel like, there’s just been good testimonies.
175 00:13:05.130 ⇒ 00:13:07.843 Robert Tseng: I mean, I should share like a couple of things. And
176 00:13:08.520 ⇒ 00:13:10.899 Robert Tseng: yeah, I’ve been like trying to.
177 00:13:14.180 ⇒ 00:13:21.420 Robert Tseng: I received prayer at church over the weekend, just like over fear of man. And like, yeah, specifically not.
178 00:13:22.340 ⇒ 00:13:29.999 Robert Tseng: I feel like I have been like faith forward in my communication with
179 00:13:30.690 ⇒ 00:13:37.784 Robert Tseng: Utah. And just like, you know, just people in industry. But I I don’t really. I never say the name Jesus, you know. And
180 00:13:38.480 ⇒ 00:13:41.389 Robert Tseng: yeah, I felt like connected that like even
181 00:13:42.870 ⇒ 00:13:48.019 Robert Tseng: to go another step forward, and because if you just keep things like apps like fake.
182 00:13:48.020 ⇒ 00:13:48.590 Hannah Wang: Yeah.
183 00:13:49.230 ⇒ 00:13:53.420 Robert Tseng: Language with even in the slack channel. I’m still a bit cautious here and there, which is fine like.
184 00:13:53.690 ⇒ 00:13:54.750 Robert Tseng: but like,
185 00:13:56.020 ⇒ 00:14:00.929 Robert Tseng: yeah, you’re not pointing. I mean, I don’t feel like I’m pointing people to the person of Jesus.
186 00:14:02.930 ⇒ 00:14:04.320 Robert Tseng: Yeah. So
187 00:14:04.430 ⇒ 00:14:18.570 Robert Tseng: like, if we Tom feels comfortable talking to me about all of these like Twitter guys that he’s like following their doctrine for like. So now I feel comfortable, being like, Oh, yeah, well, this is what Jesus says to say about this or whatever. And yeah, just like.
188 00:14:19.080 ⇒ 00:14:23.219 Robert Tseng: I should not feel weird about using the name Jesus in our conversation.
189 00:14:23.400 ⇒ 00:14:28.670 Robert Tseng: No. Yeah, I think, with
190 00:14:29.250 ⇒ 00:14:37.600 Robert Tseng: with clients, with prospects. Everyone like I’m I’m trying to, you know. I’m not always gonna name drop Jesus in every conversation, but like
191 00:14:37.830 ⇒ 00:14:40.020 Robert Tseng: wanting that to be more
192 00:14:43.440 ⇒ 00:14:51.499 Robert Tseng: like at the forefront of whatever I’m saying. Yeah. So I think that’s that was good. And then.
193 00:14:53.060 ⇒ 00:14:55.970 Robert Tseng: yeah, obviously, I share some reflections as well. And
194 00:14:56.755 ⇒ 00:15:01.319 Robert Tseng: yeah, I feel like I’m interested in posting more on Linkedin.
195 00:15:01.770 ⇒ 00:15:13.200 Robert Tseng: First, st I guess, of the Channel, but I feel like I have a lot of more thoughts on, like the intersection of like AI faith like in services. I feel like this just
196 00:15:13.440 ⇒ 00:15:21.809 Robert Tseng: given the context more work and everything, and I noticed some of the subconscious things that like I react to, and I think God is kind of
197 00:15:21.910 ⇒ 00:15:30.809 Robert Tseng: refining in my heart, and even that most recent reflection I shared is like one example, where, like, I totally could see that being like something I would want to post
198 00:15:31.480 ⇒ 00:15:35.530 Robert Tseng: about more broadly and anyway. So I think.
199 00:15:36.370 ⇒ 00:15:42.740 Robert Tseng: yeah, right? I was always like, kind of hesitant to post brain force content because I don’t like Ryan’s like AI generated stuff.
200 00:15:42.900 ⇒ 00:15:49.590 Robert Tseng: which is fine. But so yeah, I think this is what I’m gonna try to post something personal. That’s like.
201 00:15:49.880 ⇒ 00:15:58.530 Robert Tseng: it’s not always personal, but something that’s more. I’m more comfortable posting a couple of times a week on Linkedin. So I think that was like something that I
202 00:15:58.840 ⇒ 00:16:01.850 Robert Tseng: another like routine. I wanted to start doing as well.
203 00:16:05.660 ⇒ 00:16:06.420 Robert Tseng: Yeah.
204 00:16:09.040 ⇒ 00:16:09.660 Hannah Wang: Huh!
205 00:16:10.480 ⇒ 00:16:15.739 Robert Tseng: She said. She inspired me. I was like, no, you didn’t inspired me.
206 00:16:17.460 ⇒ 00:16:22.300 Robert Tseng: Yeah, but I can’t just do it. I need somebody to do the production for me, South.
207 00:16:25.000 ⇒ 00:16:25.810 Robert Tseng: Okay?
208 00:16:26.050 ⇒ 00:16:29.040 Robert Tseng: And well, anyway.
209 00:16:29.400 ⇒ 00:16:36.269 Robert Tseng: to to make this a bit more like work relevant. So I mean, I could use some help like in.
210 00:16:36.840 ⇒ 00:16:42.639 Robert Tseng: So like Ryan may help utam post his stuff. But maybe I could
211 00:16:42.800 ⇒ 00:16:45.770 Robert Tseng: have you helped me post more of myself, I guess.
212 00:16:46.760 ⇒ 00:16:47.580 Robert Tseng: Yeah.
213 00:16:48.270 ⇒ 00:16:50.830 Robert Tseng: So maybe there’s like some
214 00:16:51.110 ⇒ 00:16:57.810 Robert Tseng: things that we can work together on. There, I mean, I know you’re not really that interested in content wise. But like.
215 00:16:59.380 ⇒ 00:17:07.619 Robert Tseng: yeah, like, just similarly to how we have, like, you know, stuff that helps us crank out
216 00:17:07.839 ⇒ 00:17:14.420 Robert Tseng: case studies. Now, like, I have my own prompts for like helping me to like draft some of the posts that I make as well.
217 00:17:15.004 ⇒ 00:17:16.929 Robert Tseng: I mean, it’s only like
218 00:17:18.180 ⇒ 00:17:23.479 Robert Tseng: really short and medium form content right now, and don’t really have something more than that. But
219 00:17:24.040 ⇒ 00:17:31.000 Robert Tseng: yeah, I don’t know. I guess if there’s more momentum in that area, I I imagine I’d like to do more distribution of
220 00:17:31.190 ⇒ 00:17:34.920 Robert Tseng: that kind of content. And you know, whatever you end up, you know, sharing
221 00:17:35.040 ⇒ 00:17:39.959 Robert Tseng: in the Channel like I feel like it’s content. Inspiration, too. You know, it’s like.
222 00:17:41.830 ⇒ 00:17:50.200 Robert Tseng: yeah, like, how does a married woman who wants kids in the AI
223 00:17:51.170 ⇒ 00:18:10.429 Robert Tseng: working in an AI company like, think about whatever it’s like that’s there’s nobody talking about that. So I think that would be an interesting angle as well. So not to say that the purpose of the channel is the source content. But I just think that there’s like, Yeah, I think there, there is a way to kind of let
224 00:18:10.710 ⇒ 00:18:19.240 Robert Tseng: the kingdom kind of breakthrough more, and like, how? How we present ourselves? Yeah.
225 00:18:19.920 ⇒ 00:18:28.290 Robert Tseng: So for as long as the Lord gives me this platform, which who knows it? Could
226 00:18:29.270 ⇒ 00:18:35.989 Robert Tseng: it could. I mean? I I always tell Rachel. Well, if Utam dies tomorrow, I’m closing the business. I’m not running this long
227 00:18:36.580 ⇒ 00:18:49.340 Robert Tseng: so, but I’m just being real like, I don’t. I don’t know like how how long this window will stay open. So yeah, you know, if we have it, we’re just. I’m gonna just use. Use the platform and try to.
228 00:18:49.990 ⇒ 00:18:55.170 Robert Tseng: Yeah, try to be creative and have fun with it. I guess.
229 00:18:55.170 ⇒ 00:18:55.760 Hannah Wang: Yeah.
230 00:18:57.190 ⇒ 00:19:12.970 Hannah Wang: yeah, it’s like easier to think about creating content in the context, in the context of faith, like, Oh, we have. We always have like so many ideas and like things we’re processing. And it’s like easy to easier to crank out like those types of thoughts.
231 00:19:14.370 ⇒ 00:19:17.740 Hannah Wang: AI, I’m just like, I don’t know. So.
232 00:19:17.740 ⇒ 00:19:18.310 Robert Tseng: Yeah.
233 00:19:18.310 ⇒ 00:19:20.060 Hannah Wang: Yeah, that’s good.
234 00:19:21.620 ⇒ 00:19:28.735 Robert Tseng: Yeah. Another thing we were just talking about in our leadership call with that involved you that I think I’ll tee up because I think
235 00:19:29.450 ⇒ 00:19:31.175 Robert Tseng: or probably be mentioned is
236 00:19:31.700 ⇒ 00:19:37.817 Robert Tseng: So something else that you know we were reflecting on kind of these past few weeks.
237 00:19:38.790 ⇒ 00:19:45.959 Robert Tseng: we’ve been post conference. We’ve, you know, we’ve done a few webinars at this point. And like, we’ve gone to a bunch of events
238 00:19:46.350 ⇒ 00:19:49.079 Robert Tseng: we want to build out like an events, calendar
239 00:19:49.650 ⇒ 00:19:54.090 Robert Tseng: and basically structure like marketing sprints. So like.
240 00:19:54.510 ⇒ 00:20:00.789 Robert Tseng: you know, do all the stuff leading up to and post event, you know.
241 00:20:01.488 ⇒ 00:20:08.710 Robert Tseng: You know, you you kind of experience that running with with default, and a couple of the partners and the co-marketing stuff that we did.
242 00:20:08.850 ⇒ 00:20:18.370 Robert Tseng: But I think the idea was that maybe you would want to lead that
243 00:20:20.710 ⇒ 00:20:21.550 Hannah Wang: Okay.
244 00:20:22.080 ⇒ 00:20:22.710 Robert Tseng: Yeah.
245 00:20:23.280 ⇒ 00:20:35.225 Robert Tseng: so I mean, I can give you more contacts. But basically, like, you know, we’ve kind of categorized different types of events. We do. We have local meetups? We have industry conferences kind of like, maybe we have
246 00:20:35.650 ⇒ 00:20:48.169 Robert Tseng: and we know each of us have our own personal or institutional networks as well, webinars from the co-OP co-marketing, and then like posting in person things. And so I think the 1st step is really just, you know, I think
247 00:20:48.508 ⇒ 00:21:08.140 Robert Tseng: and I are going to be setting like a marketing budget for the next 3 months. We’re going to be looking at like our financials for the past quarter, make some assumptions, and then just be like, all right. This is the number for our marketing budget. And then from there we can start to be like, okay, 60 of this is going to go into events. And then that’s got that budget’s gonna go. If
248 00:21:08.360 ⇒ 00:21:10.710 Robert Tseng: that could go to you, you know, and then it’s like.
249 00:21:10.910 ⇒ 00:21:18.870 Robert Tseng: alright. Now you have the ability to work backwards from there we pick, like some of the big events that we see coming. Maybe industry stuff.
250 00:21:19.070 ⇒ 00:21:28.609 Robert Tseng: And like, yeah, we get to a point where it’s kind of like every 2 weeks. We’re kind of pushing towards like a different type of events. Where we’re
251 00:21:28.790 ⇒ 00:21:33.089 Robert Tseng: able to promote stuff leading up to a conference we had had, or it’s like.
252 00:21:33.260 ⇒ 00:21:55.402 Robert Tseng: you know, Utam just won a 30 under 30 like award whatever with his university kind of thing. And it’s like, Okay, we want to do a campaign there to promote him. He has, like a magazine article. They like interviewed him. And stuff like that like this, content there. And it’s like using stuff like that to fill in the blank. So then we actually have, like a, you know, an ongoing kind of con content
253 00:21:56.150 ⇒ 00:22:00.510 Robert Tseng: calendar there. So obviously sometimes that would involve, like, you know.
254 00:22:00.950 ⇒ 00:22:10.149 Robert Tseng: doing stuff, Async coordinating with someone on another team to get some of those things set up. Sometimes there is in person stuff. And we actually need like
255 00:22:10.690 ⇒ 00:22:17.449 Robert Tseng: people that come shoot video and like, do the production and everything there, too. So I don’t know. I feel like this is kind of like.
256 00:22:18.510 ⇒ 00:22:20.230 Robert Tseng: like what?
257 00:22:20.550 ⇒ 00:22:31.540 Robert Tseng: Hopefully, you’ll get you out of just like the asset creation kind of side of the marketing. I think all the foundations are there, but get to actually have more of the personal side.
258 00:22:32.410 ⇒ 00:22:47.200 Robert Tseng: And I kind of was like, well, you kind of have to do something similar for your photography stuff, anyways. So maybe like as you learn how to do this like you can kind of end up reusing a lot of the stuff for your own like photography.
259 00:22:47.750 ⇒ 00:22:48.550 Hannah Wang: Yeah.
260 00:22:48.550 ⇒ 00:22:49.000 Robert Tseng: Yeah.
261 00:22:49.000 ⇒ 00:22:54.470 Hannah Wang: That was exactly what I was thinking of. I was gonna talk about after this was.
262 00:22:54.660 ⇒ 00:23:02.959 Hannah Wang: it’s like I was, gonna be like, how do you do cold whatever and like reach out to people. I literally
263 00:23:03.290 ⇒ 00:23:04.600 Hannah Wang: don’t know
264 00:23:05.300 ⇒ 00:23:26.139 Hannah Wang: how to do that for like photography stuff, because the way you get into the door is like you second, shoot, or you like shadow someone. Let’s just all right. Cold contacting other photographers in the area. It’s like it feels so fake, and I hate it. But anyway, so I felt like it was related to what sales does in a way.
265 00:23:26.140 ⇒ 00:23:26.790 Robert Tseng: Yeah.
266 00:23:27.560 ⇒ 00:23:33.739 Robert Tseng: I mean, I kind of just have a different disassociation. Like, I have an online persona like, it’s kind of just like
267 00:23:34.580 ⇒ 00:23:41.340 Robert Tseng: doesn’t matter. I just need to get the 1st conversation. Once I get on the call, like I will be myself, like, I think that’s how I do it.
268 00:23:42.080 ⇒ 00:23:45.779 Robert Tseng: So, yeah, I mean, the 1st message is never
269 00:23:46.330 ⇒ 00:23:49.278 Robert Tseng: really exactly what I sound like.
270 00:23:50.110 ⇒ 00:23:53.250 Robert Tseng: But I think it’s okay. I think it’s
271 00:23:53.500 ⇒ 00:24:01.849 Robert Tseng: just about once I get in front of someone. Then I I feel like it’s it’s fine. They just they just need to give me a chance to talk to them. Yeah.
272 00:24:02.270 ⇒ 00:24:04.020 Hannah Wang: Okay, well, that aside.
273 00:24:04.550 ⇒ 00:24:12.010 Hannah Wang: Okay, I mean, that’s like a lot is very abstract. And I,
274 00:24:12.830 ⇒ 00:24:18.389 Hannah Wang: my initial reaction to those things is like to freak out because I’m like, Oh, my gosh! What do I do? So.
275 00:24:18.390 ⇒ 00:24:19.000 Robert Tseng: Oh, gosh!
276 00:24:19.000 ⇒ 00:24:29.549 Hannah Wang: Try not to freak out this time. Be like, okay, I understand the vision. Basically, yeah, revolving each sprint cycle around an event. And
277 00:24:29.810 ⇒ 00:24:34.999 Hannah Wang: the tickets are going to be related to that event, and then, like.
278 00:24:35.670 ⇒ 00:24:42.360 Hannah Wang: I don’t know how that’ll work exactly, because not every event is spaced out evenly and stuff like that.
279 00:24:42.360 ⇒ 00:25:02.099 Robert Tseng: Yeah, I don’t think events is the right thing to say. So like the conferences are actually events, but like promoting utams like 30 under 30. It’s not even to me. It’s like a filler thing. It’s like, because there’s no event. We’re just gonna go after like Bucknell alumni and just brag about how Utam is 30 under 30.
280 00:25:02.640 ⇒ 00:25:04.250 Robert Tseng: Yes, yes.
281 00:25:04.800 ⇒ 00:25:10.680 Robert Tseng: no, not Forbes. Every every everybody does a 30 under 30. We should do a brave force 30 under 30.
282 00:25:11.630 ⇒ 00:25:12.910 Robert Tseng: We don’t even have 30 people.
283 00:25:12.910 ⇒ 00:25:14.741 Hannah Wang: Yeah, we don’t. It’s like all of us.
284 00:25:17.220 ⇒ 00:25:19.810 Robert Tseng: Heck, yeah, so.
285 00:25:19.810 ⇒ 00:25:22.989 Hannah Wang: Okay, that I’ll let that stew
286 00:25:23.110 ⇒ 00:25:30.050 Hannah Wang: in my head, and not that I don’t enjoy doing like the asset stuff like, I actually really enjoy doing that.
287 00:25:30.620 ⇒ 00:25:35.249 Hannah Wang: But I guess this is more like high level
288 00:25:36.770 ⇒ 00:25:41.459 Hannah Wang: stuff. Well, I’m not used to that, so it’ll definitely push my brain
289 00:25:41.610 ⇒ 00:25:46.730 Hannah Wang: in a different way, and like budgeting and stuff like I’m like Bro, I don’t know but.
290 00:25:46.730 ⇒ 00:25:57.750 Robert Tseng: I mean budgeting and stuff I will definitely help with and whatever but like, I don’t know. Marketing is so broad. It’s not like Rachel style marketing where you just like email, blast a bunch of people or whatever right? It’s like you need to like.
291 00:26:00.000 ⇒ 00:26:12.259 Robert Tseng: promote. It’s like event promotion, inviting people. It’s a bit more organic like, it’s very much about getting people into spaces where, yeah, maybe it’s like topical or centered around something that we do or whatever. But like.
292 00:26:12.970 ⇒ 00:26:18.660 Robert Tseng: yeah, I think it’s really just to set up opportunities for us to talk to people in person. That’s what it is.
293 00:26:18.890 ⇒ 00:26:20.869 Hannah Wang: So it’s like a giant networking.
294 00:26:22.350 ⇒ 00:26:24.470 Hannah Wang: It’s like networking. Yeah, like bringing.
295 00:26:24.470 ⇒ 00:26:25.040 Robert Tseng: Yeah.
296 00:26:25.040 ⇒ 00:26:25.600 Hannah Wang: Yeah, they’re under.
297 00:26:25.600 ⇒ 00:26:34.520 Robert Tseng: It’s like event. It’s like to me. It’s like event planning, you know. It’s kind of like. It’s like fall thrust just every week, but less intense because we’re not doing an event every week.
298 00:26:34.520 ⇒ 00:26:36.720 Hannah Wang: I’ve never done. Fall thrust by the way.
299 00:26:37.410 ⇒ 00:26:38.230 Robert Tseng: Oh! What!
300 00:26:38.230 ⇒ 00:26:38.710 Hannah Wang: Yeah, I don’t.
301 00:26:39.960 ⇒ 00:26:40.470 Robert Tseng: I got it.
302 00:26:40.470 ⇒ 00:26:47.399 Hannah Wang: But yeah, that seems crazy. It’s just like you ev every day after in the evening a dorm
303 00:26:47.640 ⇒ 00:26:49.120 Hannah Wang: for like 10 weeks or so.
304 00:26:49.120 ⇒ 00:26:52.670 Robert Tseng: Oh, dorming dorming was dorming was fun. I enjoyed that.
305 00:26:52.670 ⇒ 00:26:53.659 Hannah Wang: Oh, okay.
306 00:26:53.980 ⇒ 00:26:59.580 Robert Tseng: Yeah, wait. Is that how? No Adele Adele came through Normie right or something?
307 00:26:59.580 ⇒ 00:27:00.859 Hannah Wang: I came through dorming.
308 00:27:01.020 ⇒ 00:27:03.030 Robert Tseng: Oh, interesting!
309 00:27:03.030 ⇒ 00:27:04.000 Hannah Wang: It works.
310 00:27:04.350 ⇒ 00:27:05.870 Robert Tseng: Yeah, it? Works.
311 00:27:05.870 ⇒ 00:27:09.829 Hannah Wang: It. It does work. Yeah. Adele was ice cream social. I think.
312 00:27:09.830 ⇒ 00:27:13.370 Robert Tseng: Alright. Alright, yeah. Jen and Adele were ice cream, social.
313 00:27:13.370 ⇒ 00:27:15.489 Hannah Wang: Oh, I forgot! With Jordan.
314 00:27:17.250 ⇒ 00:27:21.500 Robert Tseng: Probably like Bible study, or something like that bath.
315 00:27:23.100 ⇒ 00:27:27.060 Hannah Wang: Okay, okay, think about it. Like, fall. First, st interesting.
316 00:27:27.630 ⇒ 00:27:28.370 Robert Tseng: Yeah.
317 00:27:28.370 ⇒ 00:27:33.989 Hannah Wang: Just like so many. You just have to try, and if it doesn’t work, you just move on to the next thing that’s like
318 00:27:34.560 ⇒ 00:27:37.459 Hannah Wang: all of marketing. I feel like I guess.
319 00:27:37.460 ⇒ 00:27:38.050 Robert Tseng: Yeah.
320 00:27:38.050 ⇒ 00:27:41.320 Hannah Wang: Just restrat, and then you do something else.
321 00:27:41.320 ⇒ 00:27:45.759 Robert Tseng: Maybe one day we will do something like a break for ice cream social that’d be hilarious.
322 00:27:45.760 ⇒ 00:27:48.630 Hannah Wang: Yeah, that’s like, happy. Yeah, I’d rather have.
323 00:27:48.630 ⇒ 00:27:52.240 Robert Tseng: It’s basically happy hour. But it’s like, Oh, yeah, come to salt and strong Culver City.
324 00:27:52.240 ⇒ 00:27:54.990 Robert Tseng: And like, we’ll get you a free ice cream kind of thing like.
325 00:27:54.990 ⇒ 00:27:55.900 Hannah Wang: Oh, yeah.
326 00:27:56.250 ⇒ 00:27:58.400 Robert Tseng: That’d be sick. Yeah. So it’s like.
327 00:27:58.510 ⇒ 00:28:02.879 Robert Tseng: think like, fall thrust. But I think we have a bigger budget. And we’re trying to reach different kinds of people. So.
328 00:28:03.540 ⇒ 00:28:11.839 Hannah Wang: Yeah, okay, then, we definitely start need to start using our socials and stuff because Linkedin, but like Instagram.
329 00:28:12.930 ⇒ 00:28:16.272 Hannah Wang: okay, yeah, I mean, this is analogous to the stuff I’m doing with
330 00:28:16.800 ⇒ 00:28:25.949 Hannah Wang: my own stuff. Like, I’m in a bunch of Facebook groups. I’m just like commenting everywhere like my Instagram stuff like that. So
331 00:28:27.240 ⇒ 00:28:31.340 Hannah Wang: okay can run ads, too. I don’t think we’ve tried that, but.
332 00:28:32.210 ⇒ 00:28:35.990 Robert Tseng: Yeah, I mean, we found our Utah photographer on a Google ad. So.
333 00:28:35.990 ⇒ 00:28:37.360 Hannah Wang: Oh, really. Okay.
334 00:28:37.360 ⇒ 00:28:42.660 Robert Tseng: Yeah, and she wasn’t like throwing a bunch of money. She says she was spending like 50 bucks a month or something.
335 00:28:43.980 ⇒ 00:28:45.679 Hannah Wang: Maybe I should do that.
336 00:28:46.020 ⇒ 00:28:54.579 Robert Tseng: But there’s just not that many people that are, I mean, yeah, I just photographer in Salt Salt Lake City was my Google search period, or whatever.
337 00:28:54.830 ⇒ 00:28:58.390 Hannah Wang: No, it’s just too saturated. So I feel like marketing is.
338 00:28:58.390 ⇒ 00:28:59.300 Robert Tseng: That’s true.
339 00:28:59.300 ⇒ 00:29:00.460 Hannah Wang: Here, but.
340 00:29:00.640 ⇒ 00:29:03.449 Robert Tseng: It’d probably be way more expensive in La than Salt Lake City.
341 00:29:04.200 ⇒ 00:29:12.659 Hannah Wang: I just have to bank on word of mouth. But it’s like, so everyone’s like, already engaged or married. It’s like, kind of hard. But anyway.
342 00:29:13.520 ⇒ 00:29:14.020 Hannah Wang: okay.
343 00:29:14.020 ⇒ 00:29:21.050 Robert Tseng: Do even more like hyper local fox Hills local photographer.
344 00:29:22.170 ⇒ 00:29:23.000 Robert Tseng: I don’t know.
345 00:29:23.000 ⇒ 00:29:30.169 Robert Tseng: Neighborhood shots, family photos in Fox Hills Park for the Fox Hills community.
346 00:29:30.390 ⇒ 00:29:35.450 Hannah Wang: Okay was is being niche better like more niche like that.
347 00:29:36.580 ⇒ 00:29:43.650 Robert Tseng: Yeah, I mean, the the keywords will be cheaper to bid on, and like, I don’t know. Maybe you’ll get a bunch of Ethiopian people reaching out to you. And
348 00:29:43.800 ⇒ 00:29:51.720 Robert Tseng: if you hey, if you want to shoot photos like I I’ll just like tell like that my old tennis coach guy like twisted head be like, Hey, should update the photos like.
349 00:29:51.890 ⇒ 00:29:57.179 Robert Tseng: yeah, like, you start with your like little tiny community like micro community. And then you kinda
350 00:29:57.400 ⇒ 00:29:58.559 Robert Tseng: but from there.
351 00:29:58.810 ⇒ 00:30:07.710 Hannah Wang: Yeah. Well, I’m less hesitant. I’m more hesitant to do stuff outside of couples and weddings, cause that’s the.
352 00:30:07.710 ⇒ 00:30:08.250 Robert Tseng: Okay.
353 00:30:08.250 ⇒ 00:30:11.830 Hannah Wang: But if I want to get money, sure.
354 00:30:12.890 ⇒ 00:30:16.900 Hannah Wang: I’ll like do headshots. I’ll do like portraits and stuff.
355 00:30:16.900 ⇒ 00:30:20.570 Robert Tseng: Yeah, we could go shoot all the Tiktok Company events, or whatever.
356 00:30:21.340 ⇒ 00:30:22.860 Hannah Wang: At that building over there.
357 00:30:22.860 ⇒ 00:30:23.470 Robert Tseng: Yeah.
358 00:30:24.270 ⇒ 00:30:31.219 Robert Tseng: yeah, I feel like you’re in a good spot. You got. You got like, but yeah, I get it. If you’re just doing wedding and couples. Then maybe it’s a little bit.
359 00:30:31.930 ⇒ 00:30:32.470 Robert Tseng: Yeah.
360 00:30:32.470 ⇒ 00:30:40.849 Hannah Wang: If I advertise most myself as more broad, then it’s just hard to like niche down into like weddings and couples. Later.
361 00:30:40.850 ⇒ 00:30:41.530 Robert Tseng: Yeah.
362 00:30:41.690 ⇒ 00:30:53.919 Hannah Wang: But I think that it’s I’m like, open to portraits and like family shoots. But anything outside of that like event shooting I’m like I can’t like it’s I don’t like that. But
363 00:30:54.630 ⇒ 00:31:01.130 Hannah Wang: I don’t know. Maybe I have to be open to it, anyway. Okay.
364 00:31:01.130 ⇒ 00:31:01.720 Robert Tseng: Okay.
365 00:31:01.720 ⇒ 00:31:07.009 Hannah Wang: Well, okay, that sure I can. I can lead that. I.
366 00:31:07.010 ⇒ 00:31:13.240 Robert Tseng: Yeah, I think we’ll probably put some more detail into it soon. But yeah, just giving you a heads up. That that’s what we talked about.
367 00:31:13.700 ⇒ 00:31:18.609 Hannah Wang: Okay. And then, did you want to talk about case studies, or I feel like Utam already
368 00:31:19.090 ⇒ 00:31:21.240 Hannah Wang: answered my question.
369 00:31:22.700 ⇒ 00:31:27.930 Robert Tseng: Yeah, sorry. I think I use it up all my time, so maybe I’ll just look at 5.
370 00:31:27.930 ⇒ 00:31:33.149 Hannah Wang: Okay. I mean, he gave all the clients and stuff that we but.
371 00:31:34.960 ⇒ 00:31:37.789 Robert Tseng: I do want to see stuff, but I haven’t looked at it yet.
372 00:31:37.790 ⇒ 00:31:38.659 Hannah Wang: No worries.
373 00:31:39.110 ⇒ 00:31:40.780 Hannah Wang: Okay, alright.
374 00:31:40.980 ⇒ 00:31:41.750 Robert Tseng: Bye.