Meeting Title: Uttam ／ Amber | Backlog Prioritization for PP2G & Stackblitz Date: 2025-03-17 Meeting participants: Uttam Kumaran, Amber Lin
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1 00:05:54.070 ⇒ 00:05:55.480 Amber Lin: Hello!
2 00:06:00.390 ⇒ 00:06:01.150 Uttam Kumaran: Hey!
3 00:06:01.900 ⇒ 00:06:04.450 Amber Lin: Hi! Did you have lunch yet
4 00:06:04.450 ⇒ 00:06:06.420 Uttam Kumaran: I did. Well, I’m still having lunch.
5 00:06:06.610 ⇒ 00:06:07.280 Uttam Kumaran: But yes.
6 00:06:07.280 ⇒ 00:06:10.640 Amber Lin: I see you can keep having lunch. Don’t you worry
7 00:06:10.640 ⇒ 00:06:11.500 Uttam Kumaran: How are you?
8 00:06:16.140 ⇒ 00:06:17.599 Uttam Kumaran: How about you? Do you have lunch
9 00:06:18.550 ⇒ 00:06:29.939 Amber Lin: No, it’s 1040 for me. No, I have not had lunch. I probably usually I have lunch around like one or so, so probably same time as you
10 00:06:30.340 ⇒ 00:06:31.980 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, I I don’t.
11 00:06:32.420 ⇒ 00:06:36.660 Uttam Kumaran: I feel like I don’t really need food until then, like my body’s pretty trained
12 00:06:37.850 ⇒ 00:06:39.089 Uttam Kumaran: Good for fasting.
13 00:06:40.060 ⇒ 00:06:51.479 Amber Lin: Yeah, I know. I fast until I fast. Until then I feel that it really helps my body and clarity, and I don’t need it. The point is that I don’t need it. I don’t want to spend the time like
14 00:06:51.480 ⇒ 00:06:55.880 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, I don’t need it to. It’s definitely hard to hit protein goals without like
15 00:06:56.180 ⇒ 00:07:00.680 Uttam Kumaran: having that extra like 30 40 grams of protein in the morning. But
16 00:07:00.880 ⇒ 00:07:01.720 Amber Lin: Oh!
17 00:07:02.160 ⇒ 00:07:08.519 Uttam Kumaran: I I feel like I don’t need it. And then I also try not to eat any carbs at lunch, like if I can avoid carbs at lunch
18 00:07:08.520 ⇒ 00:07:11.890 Amber Lin: Well, it will help with the crash cause I use. I use
19 00:07:11.890 ⇒ 00:07:12.320 Uttam Kumaran: Yes.
20 00:07:12.320 ⇒ 00:07:14.200 Amber Lin: So, or but
21 00:07:14.200 ⇒ 00:07:16.130 Uttam Kumaran: Oh, my, gosh! Start my life! Yeah.
22 00:07:16.830 ⇒ 00:07:20.660 Uttam Kumaran: let me go. I’m I’m gonna go grab this tea. I just have come on
23 00:07:20.660 ⇒ 00:07:21.370 Amber Lin: Okay.
24 00:08:41.110 ⇒ 00:08:46.800 Uttam Kumaran: My only question on ABC was how far away from getting them like that dashboard view
25 00:08:48.120 ⇒ 00:08:55.469 Amber Lin: We gave them the real dashboard. Did you get the email? I will send it in a chat. We have a real dashboard.
26 00:08:55.640 ⇒ 00:09:07.829 Amber Lin: and I wanted to confirm with you what else we should add. I know Yvette is thinking about a few other metrics she’s talking about. Oh, I’ll send it when I have the second phase
27 00:09:07.830 ⇒ 00:09:11.600 Uttam Kumaran: As long as they have access to what we’re currently have. I’m okay with it.
28 00:09:12.815 ⇒ 00:09:21.930 Amber Lin: Yeah, they have. I gave Yvette the real dashboard. Do you want to give them the Brain trust?
29 00:09:22.090 ⇒ 00:09:26.960 Amber Lin: Because based on what Miguel said, where we what we talked about last week?
30 00:09:27.569 ⇒ 00:09:31.739 Amber Lin: It is a little bit complicated, and they might not understand.
31 00:09:31.840 ⇒ 00:09:33.829 Amber Lin: Do we want them to do? We want
32 00:09:33.830 ⇒ 00:09:36.119 Uttam Kumaran: No, they don’t need to be in brain trust.
33 00:09:36.654 ⇒ 00:09:46.060 Uttam Kumaran: I just want to to get they. I just want there to be a somewhere in a dashboard for it to show, like our act, our Eval, like data
34 00:09:47.065 ⇒ 00:09:47.550 Amber Lin: Okay.
35 00:09:47.550 ⇒ 00:09:52.279 Uttam Kumaran: One of the tasks for the team is for them to get the Eval data from Brain Trust into Snowflake
36 00:09:52.280 ⇒ 00:09:53.220 Amber Lin: No?
37 00:09:53.810 ⇒ 00:10:09.109 Amber Lin: Oh, into Snowflake. Okay, let me let me add that into linear add email data just now, like.
38 00:10:09.540 ⇒ 00:10:11.900 Amber Lin: Yeah, that’s good to know. Cause I
39 00:10:12.530 ⇒ 00:10:20.929 Amber Lin: didn’t. I didn’t know too much of the technicals, but this is really helpful. And then, once we have it in Snowflake, we can have it on the real
40 00:10:20.930 ⇒ 00:10:21.600 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah.
41 00:10:39.160 ⇒ 00:10:40.950 Amber Lin: And let’s see.
42 00:10:41.220 ⇒ 00:10:43.469 Amber Lin: Think for ABC. We’re pretty much set.
43 00:10:44.235 ⇒ 00:10:56.150 Amber Lin: We know what the black backlog is, and then we probably should. We’ll do another session once we have the pay phase 2 proposal. But since they haven’t responded to that yet, I don’t think we can do much
44 00:10:56.620 ⇒ 00:10:57.290 Uttam Kumaran: Okay.
45 00:10:57.570 ⇒ 00:11:06.630 Amber Lin: Yeah, so we can do the pool parts and stack buts full parts. Why don’t we
46 00:11:07.470 ⇒ 00:11:16.709 Amber Lin: start off at with the document that I send just as a launch pad to conversation, and then we can think about
47 00:11:17.210 ⇒ 00:11:24.100 Amber Lin: what other things we wanna here I can share screen, and then we can just talk over it
48 00:11:40.520 ⇒ 00:11:42.449 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, let me pull it up on my side, too.
49 00:11:42.890 ⇒ 00:11:43.460 Amber Lin: Okay.
50 00:13:26.900 ⇒ 00:13:29.790 Uttam Kumaran: On the cost side. I feel we’re okay.
51 00:13:32.760 ⇒ 00:13:34.800 Uttam Kumaran: Like we’ve done all these.
52 00:13:40.490 ⇒ 00:13:42.778 Uttam Kumaran: The only thing we’re using is
53 00:13:47.040 ⇒ 00:13:51.969 Uttam Kumaran: it’s 5 grand. I don’t. I don’t know exactly how much the cost is right. Now, though.
54 00:14:12.050 ⇒ 00:14:17.420 Uttam Kumaran: what do you think about this document format? I feel like it’s kind of the same stuff in like 3 different ways.
55 00:14:17.715 ⇒ 00:14:29.829 Amber Lin: Yeah, it’s a little bit too long, and that’s what I was thinking, because I base it off of the document you send. But I feel like this one is a lot less technical. So it really could be condensed down.
56 00:14:29.960 ⇒ 00:14:36.840 Amber Lin: Say, the key focus. Well, 1st of all, what to expect is just there. But key focus areas
57 00:14:37.700 ⇒ 00:14:40.869 Amber Lin: and the key recommendations are duplicates.
58 00:14:41.452 ⇒ 00:14:45.280 Amber Lin: The critical path could just be a few lines, essentially.
59 00:14:45.940 ⇒ 00:14:50.209 Amber Lin: or it could be also incorporated into the key focus area. So
60 00:14:50.210 ⇒ 00:14:53.369 Uttam Kumaran: Recommendations and key focus areas are the same.
61 00:14:53.660 ⇒ 00:14:55.639 Amber Lin: Yes, that’s what I that’s what I felt
62 00:14:55.640 ⇒ 00:14:56.760 Uttam Kumaran: Okay, okay, yeah.
63 00:14:59.720 ⇒ 00:15:01.999 Uttam Kumaran: So should I, can. I just ditch the key racks
64 00:15:03.495 ⇒ 00:15:04.910 Amber Lin: Yeah, yeah.
65 00:15:09.600 ⇒ 00:15:11.830 Uttam Kumaran: So one of the key things is.
66 00:15:12.600 ⇒ 00:15:15.140 Uttam Kumaran: I wanna know, like, who can I be? Our like?
67 00:15:16.160 ⇒ 00:15:17.890 Uttam Kumaran: Go to stakeholder
68 00:15:18.080 ⇒ 00:15:20.010 Amber Lin: So that’s what we wanted. So
69 00:15:21.870 ⇒ 00:15:25.090 Amber Lin: let me put on the top items to to do
70 00:15:26.050 ⇒ 00:15:27.250 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, like.
71 00:15:29.730 ⇒ 00:15:35.830 Amber Lin: 5. 0, 2 statement, isn’t it? Right now? Just Dan
72 00:15:36.850 ⇒ 00:15:46.529 Uttam Kumaran: It’s Dan we have. There’s a couple of people but like, I just want to get a regroup from him on like, what what does he see here overall like, who’s gonna be our person
73 00:15:58.340 ⇒ 00:16:01.509 Uttam Kumaran: I don’t know the timelines on the M. And a stuff either, so
74 00:16:01.720 ⇒ 00:16:05.789 Amber Lin: Yeah, we can also just check with him that when we call.
75 00:16:09.390 ⇒ 00:16:25.289 Amber Lin: and then we can also bring up. Hey, we know you’re going through this. We have the forecasting, and we also wanna consolidate your structures to get you prepared and get them excited about that. So I think it’s important that we talk about M. And A. Next time we meet with him
76 00:16:25.530 ⇒ 00:16:26.250 Uttam Kumaran: Okay.
77 00:16:26.420 ⇒ 00:16:27.190 Amber Lin: Hmm.
78 00:16:27.190 ⇒ 00:16:28.270 Uttam Kumaran: So for this.
79 00:16:33.910 ⇒ 00:16:41.180 Uttam Kumaran: yeah, I think the biggest things for me are like these. Yeah, I mean, actually, all of these, I think, are good.
80 00:16:42.880 ⇒ 00:16:44.220 Amber Lin: Which part are you on?
81 00:16:44.650 ⇒ 00:16:46.799 Uttam Kumaran: On the key focus areas
82 00:16:46.800 ⇒ 00:16:47.870 Amber Lin: Okay. Yes.
83 00:16:48.680 ⇒ 00:16:49.460 Uttam Kumaran: Oh.
84 00:16:52.160 ⇒ 00:16:55.870 Uttam Kumaran: how do I? How do we make this dog like a little bit more readable like? Should I make this
85 00:16:55.870 ⇒ 00:16:57.449 Amber Lin: Yeah, I think
86 00:16:57.560 ⇒ 00:17:02.509 Amber Lin: I don’t know if we need the key stakeholders for, but it’s just. I don’t think notion is
87 00:17:02.510 ⇒ 00:17:06.840 Uttam Kumaran: I think this is fine. I I think I just wanna add one thing here, for
88 00:17:10.339 ⇒ 00:17:12.012 Uttam Kumaran: I also want to
89 00:17:15.180 ⇒ 00:17:20.380 Uttam Kumaran: Cause. This is this queue structures. Thing is part of like this, or
90 00:17:22.589 ⇒ 00:17:25.109 Amber Lin: Skew structure is part of the
91 00:17:25.109 ⇒ 00:17:27.429 Uttam Kumaran: Like these are 2 separate things.
92 00:17:30.510 ⇒ 00:17:33.490 Uttam Kumaran: Skew optimization and warranty impact analysis. These are like
93 00:17:33.490 ⇒ 00:17:34.270 Amber Lin: Okay.
94 00:17:34.460 ⇒ 00:17:35.990 Amber Lin: Okay. Sounds good.
95 00:17:35.990 ⇒ 00:17:42.220 Uttam Kumaran: Well, let’s split those up preparation for M and a integration. And beyond, I’m gonna do this a couple of things. It’s like
96 00:17:42.670 ⇒ 00:17:49.460 Uttam Kumaran: insight, like Claire data platform documentation.
97 00:19:52.820 ⇒ 00:20:04.629 Uttam Kumaran: So I think, I I think it’s helpful to go through this doc with them. I sort of want to try to call out key questions here. So one of the things I’m gonna do here is basically like.
98 00:20:15.120 ⇒ 00:20:18.319 Uttam Kumaran: I’m gonna just highlight this in red.
99 00:20:18.470 ⇒ 00:20:23.369 Uttam Kumaran: I don’t know, like, I just like to make this this shit like mad clear when people
100 00:20:23.370 ⇒ 00:20:24.170 Amber Lin: Oh, yeah.
101 00:20:24.490 ⇒ 00:20:32.980 Amber Lin: yeah, I like that, too. And I think what I have right now is a little bit verbose, because I’m trying to incorporate the impact. But maybe
102 00:20:32.980 ⇒ 00:20:33.879 Uttam Kumaran: That’s what I’m like.
103 00:20:33.880 ⇒ 00:20:36.290 Amber Lin: Picture will be more scannable
104 00:20:36.840 ⇒ 00:20:39.839 Uttam Kumaran: I think, yeah, I think, like, this is, okay.
105 00:20:40.020 ⇒ 00:20:46.430 Amber Lin: Yeah. And I also, since we were talking about you sent the Mackenzie slide deck. I really, yes.
106 00:20:46.430 ⇒ 00:20:54.270 Amber Lin: be a slide deck, because we have clearly defined titles that is related to their needs at impact. So
107 00:20:54.890 ⇒ 00:21:00.899 Amber Lin: we’ll just make it into a deck, and they’ll be really fast to read if you wanna if you want me to put time into that
108 00:21:00.900 ⇒ 00:21:03.850 Uttam Kumaran: No, I think that’s fine, I think. Let’s finish this, Doc.
109 00:21:04.470 ⇒ 00:21:09.919 Uttam Kumaran: And then, whatever we want to turn this into the another asset, we totally can
110 00:21:10.090 ⇒ 00:21:11.160 Amber Lin: Okay. Sounds good.
111 00:21:11.160 ⇒ 00:21:14.270 Uttam Kumaran: I think I think doing this as a slide deck is would be fine
112 00:21:14.510 ⇒ 00:21:18.469 Amber Lin: Yeah. And we can then reuse it for other clients, too.
113 00:21:19.010 ⇒ 00:21:22.720 Uttam Kumaran: So the one of the things I wanna do here is say,
114 00:21:24.280 ⇒ 00:21:26.379 Uttam Kumaran: status, and this is gonna be new
115 00:21:40.590 ⇒ 00:21:41.570 Amber Lin: which one
116 00:21:44.350 ⇒ 00:21:47.799 Uttam Kumaran: Meaning. I just wanna indicate what’s new versus like, what’s ongoing
117 00:21:47.800 ⇒ 00:21:52.090 Amber Lin: Oh, okay, okay, yeah. I like that, too. That’s a good idea.
118 00:22:04.280 ⇒ 00:22:08.339 Amber Lin: I think the warranty is still quite new. We haven’t done any about that yet.
119 00:22:11.990 ⇒ 00:22:15.811 Uttam Kumaran: So basically approach, I kinda don’t wanna do approach. I wanna do
120 00:22:18.440 ⇒ 00:22:26.299 Uttam Kumaran: What did I call like it was? Let’s see
121 00:22:53.370 ⇒ 00:22:55.005 Uttam Kumaran: like, look at
122 00:23:00.430 ⇒ 00:23:02.509 Uttam Kumaran: I’ll send this in project management.
123 00:23:03.320 ⇒ 00:23:03.800 Amber Lin: Okay.
124 00:23:13.480 ⇒ 00:23:17.780 Uttam Kumaran: I sent this to the team like a month ago, this format.
125 00:23:17.880 ⇒ 00:23:21.449 Uttam Kumaran: And this is literally how the government is doing prioritization right now.
126 00:23:24.220 ⇒ 00:23:28.360 Uttam Kumaran: And it basically just like explains the pitch really quickly.
127 00:23:29.850 ⇒ 00:23:30.869 Uttam Kumaran: And the impact
128 00:23:33.400 ⇒ 00:23:37.709 Amber Lin: So it’s action impact viability shortened.
129 00:23:38.630 ⇒ 00:23:42.740 Amber Lin: Yeah, yeah, I like that
130 00:23:46.600 ⇒ 00:23:47.410 Uttam Kumaran: So like.
131 00:23:48.770 ⇒ 00:23:49.679 Amber Lin: Okay. I see.
132 00:23:49.680 ⇒ 00:23:53.840 Uttam Kumaran: I think, like on each of these, maybe we can work on like what the impact can be
133 00:23:54.520 ⇒ 00:23:59.940 Amber Lin: Yeah, yeah, totally. I I thought about that a bit actually already. So the
134 00:24:00.340 ⇒ 00:24:05.949 Amber Lin: for the forecasting and prediction. Let’s see what I wrote here.
135 00:24:09.220 ⇒ 00:24:16.310 Amber Lin: So that would be maybe better inventory and demand management right?
136 00:24:16.870 ⇒ 00:24:21.640 Amber Lin: Maybe increase that revenue or decreased
137 00:24:21.640 ⇒ 00:24:22.840 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, maybe we could. Just maybe
138 00:24:23.740 ⇒ 00:24:27.309 Uttam Kumaran: maybe just for now we could just put like increases rep increased revenue
139 00:24:30.700 ⇒ 00:24:34.890 Amber Lin: As like the impacts, it’s hard for us to measure it like
140 00:24:34.920 ⇒ 00:24:40.539 Uttam Kumaran: Or but like I just wanna have, I think, having that like this, it’s like really cool.
141 00:24:41.020 ⇒ 00:24:44.679 Uttam Kumaran: I wish the notion yellow was like way more yellow
142 00:24:45.000 ⇒ 00:24:45.570 Amber Lin: And
143 00:24:46.290 ⇒ 00:24:47.330 Uttam Kumaran: But whatever
144 00:24:48.370 ⇒ 00:24:53.980 Amber Lin: I mean, if we don’t present to them on this, Doc, then we can make it look a lot better
145 00:25:31.780 ⇒ 00:25:38.730 Amber Lin: be faster action or extracting value from data, or say.
146 00:25:38.920 ⇒ 00:25:40.899 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, maybe it’s the same thing.
147 00:25:41.030 ⇒ 00:25:41.880 Amber Lin: Yeah.
148 00:28:23.160 ⇒ 00:28:25.490 Uttam Kumaran: I guess owner doesn’t really matter.
149 00:28:26.270 ⇒ 00:28:27.510 Amber Lin: Yeah, I agree.
150 00:28:27.510 ⇒ 00:28:29.980 Uttam Kumaran: Okay, so let’s just ditch the owner for the stock
151 00:28:29.980 ⇒ 00:28:34.840 Amber Lin: Do we even need the key stakeholders part? Because essentially, we’re serving the same people
152 00:28:34.840 ⇒ 00:28:35.590 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah.
153 00:28:36.480 ⇒ 00:28:40.410 Amber Lin: Okay, that will be better. That will be a lot less space
154 00:28:40.410 ⇒ 00:28:43.439 Uttam Kumaran: Let’s find out. I mean, one of our questions is, Yeah.
155 00:28:43.640 ⇒ 00:28:46.610 Amber Lin: Okay? Who’s the stakeholder
156 00:28:46.890 ⇒ 00:28:47.600 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah.
157 00:28:48.360 ⇒ 00:28:52.960 Amber Lin: Oh, who’s this thing called?
158 00:28:55.440 ⇒ 00:28:55.965 Amber Lin: Okay?
159 00:30:18.890 ⇒ 00:30:19.560 Uttam Kumaran: Okay.
160 00:30:33.320 ⇒ 00:30:38.699 Amber Lin: And do we want to go in more specifically about each focus area? Of
161 00:30:38.920 ⇒ 00:30:45.739 Amber Lin: what items we should put in the backlog? Do we want to do that? Or do we want to just keep it high level like this? For now
162 00:30:46.120 ⇒ 00:30:51.830 Uttam Kumaran: I think, for the purpose of the presentation with them. I think this is fine.
163 00:30:51.970 ⇒ 00:30:57.410 Uttam Kumaran: I do. I do think that there is some work that I want to talk through for this week with the team
164 00:30:58.150 ⇒ 00:31:02.420 Uttam Kumaran: And getting that stuff on backlog like we. We don’t have to discuss that with the client, though.
165 00:31:03.677 ⇒ 00:31:05.020 Amber Lin: Okay, sounds good.
166 00:31:05.910 ⇒ 00:31:07.070 Amber Lin: And
167 00:31:07.260 ⇒ 00:31:16.289 Amber Lin: I think we hopefully would have something about the forecasting for the client. But if not, I think we have a decent roadmap to move forward.
168 00:31:16.610 ⇒ 00:31:18.519 Amber Lin: and we know what we’re gonna work on.
169 00:31:19.700 ⇒ 00:31:25.689 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah. So I guess, like, do you wanna move towards like we’re putting throw some stuff in linear
170 00:31:27.185 ⇒ 00:31:33.899 Amber Lin: On on this. Yeah, I can put this each as a 1 of the projects into linear.
171 00:31:34.277 ⇒ 00:31:37.689 Amber Lin: I can do that after our meeting, because I want to save you some time
172 00:31:39.820 ⇒ 00:31:43.009 Uttam Kumaran: Okay, I just wanna check if there’s anything like.
173 00:31:51.480 ⇒ 00:31:57.990 Uttam Kumaran: I just want to create one ticket and pull. So we so we have the spike. Understand what? Okay, this is for Bo.
174 00:32:23.970 ⇒ 00:32:26.140 Uttam Kumaran: fog, skew, exploration.
175 00:32:28.020 ⇒ 00:32:28.770 Amber Lin: Hmm.
176 00:32:30.210 ⇒ 00:32:31.070 Uttam Kumaran: Is there anything
177 00:32:31.070 ⇒ 00:32:35.036 Amber Lin: That’s what Pia’s put in.
178 00:32:36.130 ⇒ 00:32:38.390 Amber Lin: I haven’t heard from him.
179 00:32:38.550 ⇒ 00:32:40.369 Amber Lin: I don’t know how he’s doing
180 00:32:46.390 ⇒ 00:32:47.080 Uttam Kumaran: Okay.
181 00:32:49.120 ⇒ 00:32:55.450 Amber Lin: And we pinged him in the chat. But we’re still waiting to hear back from him.
182 00:33:16.910 ⇒ 00:33:24.860 Amber Lin: Yeah, based on his availability. Apparently he’s not available until the 19, th which is Wednesday.
183 00:33:33.810 ⇒ 00:33:37.499 Amber Lin: Do you think that would be an issue moving forward
184 00:33:37.500 ⇒ 00:33:39.239 Uttam Kumaran: Yes, so
185 00:33:39.240 ⇒ 00:33:44.389 Amber Lin: I I do. Wanna then in that case I want to transfer most of the responsibilities to Bo
186 00:33:45.230 ⇒ 00:33:51.299 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah. So basically, like, I’m just reading through what I sent on Friday
187 00:33:52.470 ⇒ 00:33:52.990 Amber Lin: Hmm.
188 00:34:20.719 ⇒ 00:34:21.897 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, I think,
189 00:34:24.889 ⇒ 00:34:29.099 Uttam Kumaran: For the skew work like it’s it seems clear that, like
190 00:34:30.239 ⇒ 00:34:34.799 Uttam Kumaran: we’re, we’re at a point where we’re just unsure, like
191 00:34:35.360 ⇒ 00:34:40.440 Amber Lin: Yeah, I think we’re stuck in this waiting for the client side to move
192 00:34:41.389 ⇒ 00:34:41.859 Uttam Kumaran: Okay.
193 00:34:41.860 ⇒ 00:34:43.130 Amber Lin: See how it is
194 00:34:43.710 ⇒ 00:34:45.290 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah. So
195 00:34:50.650 ⇒ 00:34:54.739 Uttam Kumaran: so then, I’m just gonna remove this cog skew thing because
196 00:34:55.690 ⇒ 00:34:57.700 Uttam Kumaran: there’s no work being done right now.
197 00:34:58.690 ⇒ 00:35:03.560 Uttam Kumaran: The only thing being done right now that we’re confident is Bose doing this forecast
198 00:35:04.370 ⇒ 00:35:05.640 Amber Lin: Yes, yes.
199 00:35:10.980 ⇒ 00:35:15.580 Amber Lin: So should we even put that in the presentation
200 00:35:15.910 ⇒ 00:35:24.480 Uttam Kumaran: No, I think that’s fine. I just wanna know, like, what was the last thing we talked about on
201 00:35:25.080 ⇒ 00:35:26.329 Uttam Kumaran: the skew work.
202 00:35:31.230 ⇒ 00:35:38.749 Uttam Kumaran: So looks like agent connection details, isolate skews.
203 00:35:39.960 ⇒ 00:35:43.169 Uttam Kumaran: I mean, basically, what I heard from pious is that like
204 00:35:44.950 ⇒ 00:35:47.840 Uttam Kumaran: every time they call Dan, there’s just a lot of
205 00:35:49.360 ⇒ 00:35:52.360 Uttam Kumaran: there’s just a lot of stuff that get they get hit with on this.
206 00:35:53.010 ⇒ 00:35:57.919 Uttam Kumaran: So I guess, like, I, wanna, our question to Dan is gonna be, is this still important
207 00:36:00.280 ⇒ 00:36:11.020 Uttam Kumaran: So the Skew optimization work is this still a priority team?
208 00:36:12.410 ⇒ 00:36:20.700 Uttam Kumaran: As so I would, I’m gonna say, there’s too many loose ends
209 00:36:21.990 ⇒ 00:36:22.770 Amber Lin: Okay.
210 00:36:22.770 ⇒ 00:36:25.610 Uttam Kumaran: Need to define success.
211 00:36:25.970 ⇒ 00:36:32.339 Uttam Kumaran: So yeah, I mean, so let’s so I will say, let’s just like not work on anything except to just get this over the
212 00:36:32.450 ⇒ 00:36:34.679 Uttam Kumaran: the hump right now. The only other piece is
213 00:36:35.120 ⇒ 00:36:39.360 Uttam Kumaran: on the documentation side. I definitely want to get started on that
214 00:36:40.170 ⇒ 00:36:41.889 Amber Lin: Okay, which is like.
215 00:36:43.480 ⇒ 00:36:46.262 Uttam Kumaran: Preparation for the M. And a integration.
216 00:36:46.660 ⇒ 00:36:54.520 Amber Lin: Yeah, I do think that’s important. I I was like, oh, when I thought about it, it was like, Oh, gotta put this down on the document
217 00:36:54.760 ⇒ 00:36:57.950 Uttam Kumaran: So what’s the? So I’m happy to give you what
218 00:36:58.470 ⇒ 00:37:03.070 Uttam Kumaran: happen? And if you want to scope it out with Ryan
219 00:37:03.360 ⇒ 00:37:06.029 Uttam Kumaran: and Kyle that could be best or
220 00:37:06.030 ⇒ 00:37:08.259 Amber Lin: Is it Ryan, or is it loop? I keep getting
221 00:37:08.260 ⇒ 00:37:12.410 Uttam Kumaran: Oh, it’s a well, I think Luke is his middle name.
222 00:37:12.880 ⇒ 00:37:13.380 Uttam Kumaran: Can you
223 00:37:13.380 ⇒ 00:37:13.710 Amber Lin: Okay.
224 00:37:13.710 ⇒ 00:37:19.680 Amber Lin: he he was. It was Ryan. But then we had another Ryan join. He’s like, Oh, do you? Just. I’ll start going by Luke, and I was like, you know.
225 00:37:19.680 ⇒ 00:37:20.080 Amber Lin: See.
226 00:37:20.660 ⇒ 00:37:23.090 Uttam Kumaran: Sorry I I’ll probably keep shifting it
227 00:37:25.880 ⇒ 00:37:34.870 Amber Lin: And I’ll I’ll use Luke. Okay, I will put that as a task. Let me put that down to
228 00:37:34.870 ⇒ 00:37:44.739 Uttam Kumaran: Where like where where can I put that like if I have like
229 00:37:44.990 ⇒ 00:37:45.500 Amber Lin: Oh no!
230 00:37:45.510 ⇒ 00:37:49.020 Uttam Kumaran: I have, because I have like 5 things I need to get cleaned up in my mind.
231 00:37:50.440 ⇒ 00:37:54.230 Uttam Kumaran: Where can I just throw? Where can I just throw those ideas down
232 00:37:54.230 ⇒ 00:37:55.000 Amber Lin: Oh.
233 00:37:55.160 ⇒ 00:38:02.250 Amber Lin: you just. You can just put them at the end of this document, and then I can go in, clean it up. Yeah.
234 00:38:02.250 ⇒ 00:38:03.808 Uttam Kumaran: Okay, then let’s do that.
235 00:38:06.890 ⇒ 00:38:11.110 Uttam Kumaran: I’m gonna name it the same thing which is preparation.
236 00:38:11.950 ⇒ 00:38:16.710 Uttam Kumaran: I’m gonna say, like, platform.
237 00:40:26.820 ⇒ 00:40:30.779 Uttam Kumaran: okay, yeah, these are all like data platform
238 00:40:31.240 ⇒ 00:40:31.810 Amber Lin: Then
239 00:44:23.060 ⇒ 00:44:25.790 Uttam Kumaran: Okay, should we move on to stuff for Stack Blitz
240 00:44:25.790 ⇒ 00:44:27.692 Amber Lin: Yeah, let’s move on to that.
241 00:44:28.733 ⇒ 00:44:40.609 Amber Lin: We for that. I know we have a 6 month plan for stack list. We also have documentation under the client hub. Which one do you want to base off of
242 00:44:45.880 ⇒ 00:44:52.449 Uttam Kumaran: let’s go to the client hub. Maybe while we’re while we’re just talking through this, we can clean these hubs up
243 00:44:52.710 ⇒ 00:44:53.085 Amber Lin: Okay.
244 00:44:53.990 ⇒ 00:44:55.652 Uttam Kumaran: Like I’m gonna get rid of.
245 00:44:56.730 ⇒ 00:45:03.579 Uttam Kumaran: Well, I’m gonna pull up linear and just make sure that stuff is there. And then we could just delete some of this stuff. That’s here notion
246 00:45:10.890 ⇒ 00:45:17.070 Amber Lin: yeah, for the I do think so.
247 00:45:18.450 ⇒ 00:45:20.800 Amber Lin: Think, Brian, have added all of them
248 00:45:45.440 ⇒ 00:45:48.510 Uttam Kumaran: Okay, yeah. All these I feel like we can.
249 00:45:56.030 ⇒ 00:45:59.690 Uttam Kumaran: Should we import old ones and mark them as done
250 00:46:01.670 ⇒ 00:46:05.710 Amber Lin: Do you think it’s necessary? We’re? I don’t think it serves a purpose
251 00:46:06.320 ⇒ 00:46:07.620 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, I mean, I don’t care
252 00:46:08.330 ⇒ 00:46:09.559 Amber Lin: Yeah, it’s okay.
253 00:46:10.290 ⇒ 00:46:14.699 Uttam Kumaran: As I mean, they’ll stay in notion they’ll stay in notion in case we want to do in the future.
254 00:46:16.120 ⇒ 00:46:17.852 Uttam Kumaran: Okay, then I’m gonna get rid of
255 00:46:19.500 ⇒ 00:46:21.780 Uttam Kumaran: just gonna get rid of this from this page.
256 00:46:24.300 ⇒ 00:46:28.560 Uttam Kumaran: And then there’s also no need to have projects in notion anymore
257 00:46:29.180 ⇒ 00:46:30.489 Amber Lin: Yeah, I agree.
258 00:46:30.820 ⇒ 00:46:31.180 Uttam Kumaran: So.
259 00:46:31.180 ⇒ 00:46:36.900 Amber Lin: I know Nico is going into that, and he’s gonna edit all of it.
260 00:46:37.230 ⇒ 00:46:42.019 Amber Lin: So I just want to confirm with him before I start deleting anything
261 00:46:42.790 ⇒ 00:46:44.880 Uttam Kumaran: Okay, I just just removed her phone
262 00:46:44.880 ⇒ 00:46:45.800 Amber Lin: That’s okay.
263 00:46:45.800 ⇒ 00:46:46.240 Uttam Kumaran: I think he’s
264 00:46:46.240 ⇒ 00:46:49.100 Amber Lin: Probably waiting for confirmation from you. Anyways.
265 00:46:49.100 ⇒ 00:46:50.140 Uttam Kumaran: Okay, okay.
266 00:46:58.880 ⇒ 00:47:05.969 Uttam Kumaran: okay. So the stuff at the bottom here is the same as what’s in the 6 month roadmap.
267 00:47:06.280 ⇒ 00:47:07.413 Uttam Kumaran: So let’s
268 00:47:09.540 ⇒ 00:47:12.440 Uttam Kumaran: I’m just gonna let’s just make sure that
269 00:47:17.070 ⇒ 00:47:19.509 Uttam Kumaran: it does. Basically the same.
270 00:47:24.350 ⇒ 00:47:27.999 Uttam Kumaran: I’m just gonna put this here. And then this is fine.
271 00:48:22.700 ⇒ 00:48:24.800 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, this 6 month. Doc is great.
272 00:48:26.410 ⇒ 00:48:27.662 Uttam Kumaran: Cool, so let’s
273 00:48:28.740 ⇒ 00:48:30.620 Amber Lin: Let’s 1st start with
274 00:48:31.500 ⇒ 00:48:33.950 Uttam Kumaran: What Sahana sent us this morning
275 00:48:34.390 ⇒ 00:48:35.060 Amber Lin: Okay.
276 00:49:14.490 ⇒ 00:49:15.950 Uttam Kumaran: So.
277 00:49:55.290 ⇒ 00:49:57.860 Uttam Kumaran: okay, I’m just working at the bottom of the document.
278 00:49:58.590 ⇒ 00:49:59.910 Amber Lin: Oh, okay, let me check.
279 00:50:19.970 ⇒ 00:50:31.600 Amber Lin: And I’m sorry. This is mostly you just inputting it in. Let me know where I can help with, and I’ll and then I’ll try my best. But it’s also really helpful for me to just look at your thought process, and how you do all
280 00:50:31.600 ⇒ 00:50:33.390 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, yeah, no, no problem.
281 00:50:36.570 ⇒ 00:50:39.419 Uttam Kumaran: I’m just pulling up the dashboard that we have.
282 00:50:40.410 ⇒ 00:50:43.340 Uttam Kumaran: Alright backlitz. Now
283 00:50:43.860 ⇒ 00:50:52.950 Uttam Kumaran: that way, I can go poke around. And so what I’m trying to do basically is remember what Mitch has told us is important for them so far.
284 00:50:58.690 ⇒ 00:51:07.330 Uttam Kumaran: So I know they want to look at. So top 3 to 5. I’m just gonna list a couple of them that I definitely know which is gonna be token usage.
285 00:51:07.520 ⇒ 00:51:11.600 Uttam Kumaran: It’s gonna be da u you.
286 00:54:48.630 ⇒ 00:54:54.839 Uttam Kumaran: I just sent an article in Zoom. This is a great article on how to measure Saas businesses
287 00:54:55.390 ⇒ 00:54:57.029 Amber Lin: It’s basically like
288 00:54:58.130 ⇒ 00:55:01.409 Uttam Kumaran: We don’t. This is like these are all the core metrics that matter
289 00:55:02.400 ⇒ 00:55:04.690 Amber Lin: Okay, let me check.
290 00:55:16.660 ⇒ 00:55:20.809 Amber Lin: Oh, awesome! And Utam is Sahana
291 00:55:20.940 ⇒ 00:55:26.160 Amber Lin: very, very part time like, can I expect her to come to meetings or
292 00:55:26.160 ⇒ 00:55:30.060 Uttam Kumaran: So that’s so this. So let’s talk about 2 problems right now. Yeah.
293 00:55:31.031 ⇒ 00:55:36.779 Uttam Kumaran: This goes back to the bias thing. We have people that are full time, and we have people that are part time
294 00:55:37.680 ⇒ 00:55:41.080 Uttam Kumaran: We have people that are part time because they’re they’re
295 00:55:41.750 ⇒ 00:55:42.800 Amber Lin: At work
296 00:55:43.110 ⇒ 00:55:48.230 Uttam Kumaran: They’re at another job. We have people that are part time just because they’re not tasked with
297 00:55:49.123 ⇒ 00:55:50.210 Uttam Kumaran: not work.
298 00:55:51.240 ⇒ 00:55:52.210 Uttam Kumaran: So
299 00:55:53.030 ⇒ 00:55:58.749 Uttam Kumaran: one thing overall is, we’re starting to move work to our folks that are full time at Brain Forge.
300 00:55:59.823 ⇒ 00:56:05.420 Uttam Kumaran: Sahana and Pi still have work on their plate, but, as you can tell, I’m starting to move a lot of it off
301 00:56:06.050 ⇒ 00:56:06.610 Amber Lin: Yes.
302 00:56:06.610 ⇒ 00:56:12.159 Uttam Kumaran: This is where, as a Pm. My ask to you guys, is, you guys have to set the agenda
303 00:56:12.820 ⇒ 00:56:14.470 Uttam Kumaran: regardless of
304 00:56:15.530 ⇒ 00:56:27.950 Uttam Kumaran: whether people can attend or not. If people can’t attend, then that is a problem you guys should kick to me at the engineering leadership level, which is like this person cannot fulfill.
305 00:56:28.600 ⇒ 00:56:29.700 Uttam Kumaran: For the process
306 00:56:30.320 ⇒ 00:56:32.160 Amber Lin: Yeah. Okay. Sounds, good.
307 00:56:32.160 ⇒ 00:56:37.599 Uttam Kumaran: I don’t. I don’t wanna have. I don’t want to have standards that aren’t the same across everybody.
308 00:56:38.040 ⇒ 00:56:42.040 Uttam Kumaran: So yeah, you kind of get what I mean, which is like, I
309 00:56:42.040 ⇒ 00:56:49.960 Amber Lin: That’s all I need to know. So I can know when to tell you. Okay, I think this person is not going to be very helpful
310 00:56:49.960 ⇒ 00:56:56.730 Uttam Kumaran: Exactly exactly so. This. So the the reason why, like Sahana, is the best equipped to do this work
311 00:56:56.960 ⇒ 00:56:58.480 Uttam Kumaran: for sock blitz
312 00:56:58.820 ⇒ 00:57:03.110 Uttam Kumaran: that we have on the team. However, she’s not able to make meetings. It’s not gonna work.
313 00:57:03.400 ⇒ 00:57:04.140 Uttam Kumaran: So
314 00:57:04.140 ⇒ 00:57:05.020 Amber Lin: Yes.
315 00:57:05.460 ⇒ 00:57:11.780 Uttam Kumaran: So that’s up to you to set the meetings. And then, if she’s like, if none of this is gonna work, then
316 00:57:11.950 ⇒ 00:57:13.550 Uttam Kumaran: we’ll we’ll find an alternative
317 00:57:14.400 ⇒ 00:57:18.369 Amber Lin: Okay, sounds good. That’s really good to know, and I’ll keep that in mind.
318 00:57:19.306 ⇒ 00:57:22.020 Uttam Kumaran: And Sahan are the only people in that position. By the way.
319 00:57:23.130 ⇒ 00:57:24.056 Amber Lin: Oh, okay.
320 00:57:24.520 ⇒ 00:57:25.589 Uttam Kumaran: Re- everyone else
321 00:57:25.590 ⇒ 00:57:31.069 Amber Lin: We’ll juggle that everyone else is contracted for at least 10 h
322 00:57:31.890 ⇒ 00:57:44.740 Uttam Kumaran: Literally the only reason I can’t give them more hours. I’m waiting for you guys to set the roadmap so we can do allocation like Kyle is only working 10 h away. She’s only working 10 h like these guys have an extra. They can
323 00:57:44.740 ⇒ 00:57:46.070 Amber Lin: They have extra
324 00:57:46.070 ⇒ 00:57:49.290 Uttam Kumaran: But they have more time, but they need to be allocated properly.
325 00:57:49.550 ⇒ 00:57:51.240 Uttam Kumaran: But until we have the roadmap
326 00:57:51.980 ⇒ 00:57:54.499 Uttam Kumaran: it’s hard to for all of us to sort of negotiate
327 00:57:54.500 ⇒ 00:57:59.130 Amber Lin: Totally. Yeah. So oh.
328 00:57:59.480 ⇒ 00:58:07.450 Amber Lin: I’ll keep in mind Sahana’s availability, and I will meet with especially Kyle is mostly on stack list and pull parts right
329 00:58:08.270 ⇒ 00:58:10.679 Uttam Kumaran: Yes, but even him. He can take on more
330 00:58:11.010 ⇒ 00:58:18.219 Amber Lin: Yeah, okay, I will meet with him. I’m meeting with him tomorrow, and I’ll also meet with Luke.
331 00:58:18.420 ⇒ 00:58:26.340 Amber Lin: or just these 3 people together to get that backlog done, and they will. They can start working on that.
332 00:58:26.520 ⇒ 00:58:38.229 Amber Lin: And then maybe after this week after, maybe after he sees how much capacity he has. Then he could. Maybe we can say, Okay, I think Kyle can have another project
333 00:58:38.720 ⇒ 00:58:45.319 Uttam Kumaran: Exactly. So I I don’t. I don’t feel comfortable shifting people further until I have the roadmaps from you guys
334 00:58:46.000 ⇒ 00:59:03.830 Uttam Kumaran: Because then you can rely on me to say, Okay, who’s best suited to work on the projects you guys have. I don’t want to start with the people. If we start with the people, it’s gonna we. We had this problem before where we we had to. We had to do with what we had. Now, we have like, we have capacity meaning we have like.
335 00:59:04.100 ⇒ 00:59:13.049 Uttam Kumaran: That’s why I went and hired a bunch of people because we can now serve our current needs and the next 10 clients. But I don’t. I want to start from the work
336 00:59:13.320 ⇒ 00:59:15.010 Uttam Kumaran: and then assign the people
337 00:59:15.570 ⇒ 00:59:20.850 Uttam Kumaran: so it may take us another 2 days to get all the roadmap done. That’s why, on Friday I was like
338 00:59:21.150 ⇒ 00:59:26.040 Uttam Kumaran: number one thing is, we just need to know what the roadmaps are for all of these clients as fast as possible.
339 00:59:26.040 ⇒ 00:59:27.870 Amber Lin: And totally.
340 00:59:32.890 ⇒ 00:59:47.420 Amber Lin: and I will. I got some time after this meeting. I’m running to the marketing meeting to get their linear set up. Do you have anything you want me to note any priorities for them?
341 00:59:48.270 ⇒ 00:59:49.650 Uttam Kumaran: For marketing.
342 00:59:49.650 ⇒ 00:59:50.530 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah. Marketing.
343 00:59:50.530 ⇒ 00:59:51.160 Uttam Kumaran: I get it.
344 00:59:51.160 ⇒ 00:59:52.860 Amber Lin: And Brian, and all
345 00:59:53.290 ⇒ 00:59:55.031 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, I guess my only
346 00:59:55.590 ⇒ 01:00:02.870 Uttam Kumaran: My only feedback would be just to not get burned out like on your behalf.
347 01:00:03.250 ⇒ 01:00:06.220 Uttam Kumaran: like I think, help marketing help sales. But
348 01:00:06.860 ⇒ 01:00:19.300 Uttam Kumaran: number one goal is to nail this stuff for clients, so get them on board. But I don’t. I think what’s what you’re gonna see is my time. I’m gonna go spend more time with operations and marketing as soon as
349 01:00:19.910 ⇒ 01:00:23.549 Uttam Kumaran: the client so like I would, I wouldn’t.
350 01:00:23.790 ⇒ 01:00:29.389 Uttam Kumaran: I don’t want you to go VPN. From for them. I’ll probably I’ll probably because they also don’t need like
351 01:00:29.720 ⇒ 01:00:30.280 Amber Lin: They don’t need
352 01:00:30.280 ⇒ 01:00:32.410 Uttam Kumaran: They have like 5 things they’re working on.
353 01:00:32.750 ⇒ 01:00:34.270 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, don’t worry.
354 01:00:34.270 ⇒ 01:00:37.463 Uttam Kumaran: That’s why I also didn’t feel like it would be that much.
355 01:00:37.730 ⇒ 01:00:38.390 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, yeah.
356 01:00:38.570 ⇒ 01:00:46.389 Amber Lin: Because I already talked with Hannah and Ryan, and since I’m setting up linear I’ll just help them now. But it’s good to know that you’ll be talking to them soon
357 01:00:46.768 ⇒ 01:00:48.280 Uttam Kumaran: Most likely be the
358 01:00:48.280 ⇒ 01:00:49.039 Amber Lin: You know that
359 01:00:49.040 ⇒ 01:00:51.379 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, I’ll most likely be the Pm.
360 01:00:51.560 ⇒ 01:00:53.959 Uttam Kumaran: For the internal teams.
361 01:00:56.430 ⇒ 01:00:57.530 Uttam Kumaran: For now
362 01:00:57.830 ⇒ 01:00:58.550 Amber Lin: Okay.
363 01:00:58.550 ⇒ 01:00:59.710 Uttam Kumaran: That’ll be my next.
364 01:00:59.830 ⇒ 01:01:01.579 Uttam Kumaran: That’ll be my next rotation.
365 01:01:03.220 ⇒ 01:01:04.790 Amber Lin: Okay. Sounds good.
366 01:01:06.460 ⇒ 01:01:11.579 Amber Lin: Check. I’ll check in with you how much pming these different teams take
367 01:01:12.069 ⇒ 01:01:14.669 Amber Lin: and then I I can check and say, Oh.
368 01:01:14.670 ⇒ 01:01:29.150 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, I mean. So the biggest thing I think for you and I called Robert yesterday. I think one thing is I just want to get a sense from all the Pm’s. On. How many clients each can take the client Pm. Work is in is the hardest thing we do.
369 01:01:29.360 ⇒ 01:01:31.549 Uttam Kumaran: so I would rather you spend all
370 01:01:31.800 ⇒ 01:01:37.610 Uttam Kumaran: 100% of your bandwidth there. Internal sales, internal marketing, internal platform stuff
371 01:01:37.870 ⇒ 01:01:41.660 Uttam Kumaran: we’ll get figured out. I’ll take. I can take that. That’s that’s much easier.
372 01:01:41.980 ⇒ 01:01:49.220 Amber Lin: Yeah. And I. And I understand, that’s how I prioritize things right now. Take on, I take on these things because they’re interesting, because I
373 01:01:49.220 ⇒ 01:01:50.080 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, yeah.
374 01:01:50.080 ⇒ 01:01:55.989 Amber Lin: And and I also have am interested. I am intimidated and interested by the sales.
375 01:01:55.990 ⇒ 01:01:56.360 Amber Lin: Okay?
376 01:01:56.740 ⇒ 01:02:00.320 Amber Lin: Cause I am still traumatized from a door to door. Experience
377 01:02:00.320 ⇒ 01:02:07.230 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, yeah. Just don’t just just do what you do best, which is like, be available. But don’t sign up
378 01:02:07.430 ⇒ 01:02:08.846 Amber Lin: Is what I would say.
379 01:02:09.130 ⇒ 01:02:09.560 Amber Lin: It
380 01:02:09.560 ⇒ 01:02:11.789 Uttam Kumaran: You know what I mean like, be helpful.
381 01:02:12.160 ⇒ 01:02:17.519 Uttam Kumaran: But because if you become on the hook for marketing, then they’re gonna start adding into their meetings. They’re gonna expect
382 01:02:17.520 ⇒ 01:02:20.369 Amber Lin: Yeah. I don’t think I’m gonna go to their meetings
383 01:02:20.370 ⇒ 01:02:23.700 Uttam Kumaran: That’s what I’m saying is, just be just. Be really conscious, because your time
384 01:02:23.700 ⇒ 01:02:24.640 Amber Lin: No.
385 01:02:24.640 ⇒ 01:02:33.649 Uttam Kumaran: This is what happens in organizations, because this is what this is my life. When you, when you’re the most resourceful or like the most resource person.
386 01:02:34.410 ⇒ 01:02:45.330 Uttam Kumaran: Problems. Just they magnet towards you. Realize, oh, my God! This person can totally help me, and it’s not that you can’t. It’s that you like. You can’t be the hero for everything
387 01:02:45.660 ⇒ 01:02:46.720 Amber Lin: So.
388 01:02:47.190 ⇒ 01:02:50.220 Uttam Kumaran: Part there will still be parts of the company that don’t get support
389 01:02:50.590 ⇒ 01:02:52.490 Uttam Kumaran: or like. Don’t get the support they need
390 01:02:52.800 ⇒ 01:02:54.930 Amber Lin: That’s okay. It’s like.
391 01:02:55.660 ⇒ 01:02:58.020 Uttam Kumaran: Marketing operations and sales
392 01:02:58.020 ⇒ 01:02:58.600 Amber Lin: Let’s see.
393 01:02:58.600 ⇒ 01:03:03.650 Uttam Kumaran: We’re okay on, like, there’s there, we’re like, we’re doing enough
394 01:03:03.780 ⇒ 01:03:09.200 Uttam Kumaran: where I think they’re fine. And they have 5 things each that they’re working on. So I don’t wanna run
395 01:03:09.610 ⇒ 01:03:11.230 Uttam Kumaran: current process in that way.
396 01:03:11.790 ⇒ 01:03:21.900 Amber Lin: So I will leave the prioritization to you, or I think that next meeting is just about prioritization. A meeting
397 01:03:21.900 ⇒ 01:03:23.010 Uttam Kumaran: For marketing.
398 01:03:23.010 ⇒ 01:03:24.419 Amber Lin: Yeah, yeah, so.
399 01:03:24.420 ⇒ 01:03:29.990 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, I mean, if they’re if they, if if they can, if they just tell them to put all their stuff in linear
400 01:03:30.110 ⇒ 01:03:34.319 Uttam Kumaran: or not. I mean, I don’t care where that team wants to run their work like
401 01:03:34.480 ⇒ 01:03:38.469 Uttam Kumaran: they want to run in linear. They can if they wanna do it in notion like
402 01:03:39.410 ⇒ 01:03:44.560 Uttam Kumaran: I don’t know. I mean, maybe they do it in linear. And it’s sort of everybody’s work. Is there
403 01:03:45.580 ⇒ 01:03:53.889 Uttam Kumaran: But I don’t. Yeah, I I can be in. I’m gonna be in charge of the prioritization like they’re they’re meeting today to figure out their content. Strategy and stuff like that
404 01:03:53.890 ⇒ 01:03:58.310 Amber Lin: Oh, yeah, then, do I need to meet with them?
405 01:03:58.310 ⇒ 01:04:00.035 Uttam Kumaran: I wouldn’t meet with them
406 01:04:00.380 ⇒ 01:04:06.070 Amber Lin: Okay, let me. Okay. Let me just tell Hannah that you. You will be meeting with them. Then
407 01:04:06.070 ⇒ 01:04:06.710 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah.
408 01:04:07.370 ⇒ 01:04:12.739 Amber Lin: Okay, it is a meeting in 30 min. Do you want to just go to that meeting?
409 01:04:14.840 ⇒ 01:04:15.910 Amber Lin: Well.
410 01:04:16.170 ⇒ 01:04:25.183 Uttam Kumaran: Just, I’m gonna just message in the marketing channel. And I’m they have a meeting later today with me. So like, I don’t. Yeah, I’m busy
411 01:04:25.530 ⇒ 01:04:29.319 Amber Lin: Alrighty. I’ll just text them that you will be taking over
412 01:04:29.320 ⇒ 01:04:32.619 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, just say, as long as yeah, yeah, that’s fine.
413 01:04:37.010 ⇒ 01:04:38.690 Amber Lin: And
414 01:04:48.790 ⇒ 01:04:50.550 Amber Lin: let me show you.
415 01:05:20.940 ⇒ 01:05:24.410 Amber Lin: Okay, I sent that. And I’m gonna delete this
416 01:05:24.750 ⇒ 01:05:29.709 Amber Lin: meeting. That’s really good advice, because I I like all these things. And so I’m like.
417 01:05:29.710 ⇒ 01:05:36.359 Uttam Kumaran: No, you’re you’re like me, but I’m I’m just saying, cause this is like what I did in a past life.
418 01:05:36.500 ⇒ 01:05:39.660 Uttam Kumaran: You just become someone who can solve problems, but the problems.
419 01:05:39.850 ⇒ 01:05:41.330 Uttam Kumaran: Well, they will start the file
420 01:05:41.330 ⇒ 01:05:43.189 Amber Lin: And yes, every
421 01:05:43.190 ⇒ 01:05:51.590 Uttam Kumaran: Start to find you, and the other thing I would recommend is, any people will start dming you to help them with their stuff. Start to move that to public channels.
422 01:05:52.470 ⇒ 01:06:06.269 Uttam Kumaran: Like one of the things that I I don’t know if I can. I don’t not sure if I can. I can’t prevent Dms from happening. But if if people start getting work done on the side, then nothing happens in public, so nobody can come in and assist.
423 01:06:07.510 ⇒ 01:06:08.670 Uttam Kumaran: You see what I mean.
424 01:06:08.840 ⇒ 01:06:11.490 Amber Lin: It’s 1 of the real downfalls of slack
425 01:06:11.760 ⇒ 01:06:16.060 Uttam Kumaran: Is. Companies start to rely on work, and work goes on in Dms a lot.
426 01:06:16.190 ⇒ 01:06:17.810 Uttam Kumaran: and nobody can ever see that.
427 01:06:18.100 ⇒ 01:06:26.759 Uttam Kumaran: And so one of the things you find people messaging you, and it’s it’s like something that could be in a public channel. Just say, Hey, can we mind if we move this to channel. Mind, if we move this to channel
428 01:06:28.500 ⇒ 01:06:33.360 Uttam Kumaran: That’s what I do a lot where I’m like. Let’s go talk in the Channel because I want everybody to see it otherwise
429 01:06:34.390 ⇒ 01:06:38.880 Amber Lin: Yeah. Otherwise you have to answer that again. And then they all have other questions
430 01:06:38.880 ⇒ 01:06:39.450 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah.
431 01:06:40.010 ⇒ 01:06:40.660 Amber Lin: Okay.
432 01:06:45.870 ⇒ 01:06:49.200 Amber Lin: good. Is Pius also involved in the sales
433 01:06:50.470 ⇒ 01:06:52.878 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, so pius, so pious.
434 01:06:53.360 ⇒ 01:06:54.420 Amber Lin: Involvement.
435 01:06:54.420 ⇒ 01:06:59.321 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, I mean, pious. I think his involvement is going lower and lower in terms of the
436 01:06:59.990 ⇒ 01:07:01.839 Uttam Kumaran: in terms of data worth
437 01:07:02.750 ⇒ 01:07:10.840 Uttam Kumaran: Like, just because he’s he’s like he’s just getting busier at his primary job. And so I don’t like Overall. I think
438 01:07:11.532 ⇒ 01:07:28.749 Uttam Kumaran: he’s sort of becoming less. I mean, he’s just signing up for less hours on engineering work. But sales work you could kind of do whenever. So we have some people that just help out on sales where they can. I? What’s probably gonna happen is he’ll probably just manage some part of pool parts, or maybe none of pool parts
439 01:07:29.620 ⇒ 01:07:30.350 Amber Lin: Yeah.
440 01:07:30.710 ⇒ 01:07:32.950 Uttam Kumaran: And then just primarily focused on sales
441 01:07:32.950 ⇒ 01:07:39.729 Amber Lin: Yeah, maybe pool parts. We can just have it as a consultant instead of a engineer.
442 01:07:39.730 ⇒ 01:07:45.559 Amber Lin: Yeah, this way, this way, Bo won’t get stuck on needing Pias’s input before he can start
443 01:07:46.080 ⇒ 01:07:47.500 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah.
444 01:07:47.680 ⇒ 01:07:56.969 Amber Lin: And how much experience does Bo have? I feel like he’s asking for Pius to get a kickstart when I feel like he’s pretty confident, and he can start it on his own like
445 01:07:56.970 ⇒ 01:08:04.840 Uttam Kumaran: I think he’s very. I think he’s like, technically pretty sharp. He just like, I think needs to get a push to go figure stuff out
446 01:08:04.840 ⇒ 01:08:05.639 Amber Lin: I I figured
447 01:08:05.640 ⇒ 01:08:16.019 Uttam Kumaran: Or become resourceful like he can message Luke or pick, go call Luke, and like, I want to see that energy like. For example, I said in the meeting this morning I was like
448 01:08:16.939 ⇒ 01:08:22.659 Uttam Kumaran: I was like, you know. Don’t ask pious because he’s not. Gonna it’s not gonna respond. He still asked. Pious.
449 01:08:22.839 ⇒ 01:08:25.959 Uttam Kumaran: Do you have time to talk about the forecasting task it’s like.
450 01:08:26.279 ⇒ 01:08:30.299 Uttam Kumaran: don’t you don’t need to talk about anything. Just ask the question in slack
451 01:08:30.959 ⇒ 01:08:33.509 Uttam Kumaran: right? A lot of people they want to defer to meetings.
452 01:08:33.829 ⇒ 01:08:37.629 Uttam Kumaran: cause that’s like that’s like a big company baggage mentality like
453 01:08:37.630 ⇒ 01:08:41.180 Amber Lin: Yeah, it’s like, Oh, I’ll wait until the meeting. I need to get everybody on board
454 01:08:41.189 ⇒ 01:08:48.039 Uttam Kumaran: Do you have time today to talk about the forecasting task? Just write the write the questions you have that will force you to think about the task
455 01:08:48.040 ⇒ 01:08:49.180 Amber Lin: Exactly cause it.
456 01:08:49.790 ⇒ 01:08:58.720 Amber Lin: No, I wanted him to give me a outline document of what he needs. And honestly, this is something that he can ask trag. He doesn’t even
457 01:08:58.720 ⇒ 01:09:09.209 Uttam Kumaran: No, I know, I know. So this is where like from, I want the Pm’s to push these guys to be. This is where, like I. It’s a good cop bad cop before, because my mentality, like again
458 01:09:09.560 ⇒ 01:09:13.679 Uttam Kumaran: I was running all these clients with no like nothing, no process
459 01:09:14.569 ⇒ 01:09:20.779 Uttam Kumaran: So I know it’s possible, like small tasks like this should take an hour to do.
460 01:09:21.289 ⇒ 01:09:31.149 Uttam Kumaran: This is where, until we document that like, hey? Bo got assigned a spike, and the spike took 3 days. My question is, be what took 3 days
461 01:09:33.140 ⇒ 01:09:33.960 Amber Lin: I see.
462 01:09:33.960 ⇒ 01:09:37.720 Uttam Kumaran: I can’t ask from an engineering leadership perspective. I can’t.
463 01:09:37.880 ⇒ 01:09:42.820 Uttam Kumaran: I can’t go next to people and say we’re both looking at the same 10 tasks.
464 01:09:43.350 ⇒ 01:09:50.649 Uttam Kumaran: Why did they take this long? I can’t do that until we have things tracked. I have been doing it as sort of like I. I could smell it in the air
465 01:09:50.850 ⇒ 01:09:53.900 Uttam Kumaran: when people are working too slow and things like that.
466 01:09:54.279 ⇒ 01:09:59.319 Uttam Kumaran: But like, I want it to be evidence based. And I want there to be like, you know.
467 01:09:59.610 ⇒ 01:10:03.380 Uttam Kumaran: I mean. But I also wanted to know like, was it because we didn’t set expectations clear?
468 01:10:04.470 ⇒ 01:10:13.750 Uttam Kumaran: Is it because we like it was something else was confusing, like, what happens there? Right? This is why, like, I can’t move Kyle away. I can’t. I don’t want to move people to more clients.
469 01:10:13.850 ⇒ 01:10:17.579 Uttam Kumaran: cause I’m not confident yet they can take the work that they’re just assigned to do.
470 01:10:18.710 ⇒ 01:10:22.979 Amber Lin: Yeah, that is true. And I think eventually.
471 01:10:23.300 ⇒ 01:10:44.230 Amber Lin: when it comes to recruitment, that’s also something that’s really important. Because when I recruit for the volunteer organization. It’s even a bigger problem, exactly what you’re facing of. People don’t ask for work, and they don’t do the work. You have to nudge every single task. And then it’s very hard to measure, because you don’t document your hours of volunteers.
472 01:10:44.440 ⇒ 01:10:48.540 Amber Lin: And so pushing that and pushing the measurements is also something
473 01:10:48.540 ⇒ 01:10:51.339 Uttam Kumaran: The the measurement solves all the problems
474 01:10:51.520 ⇒ 01:10:52.260 Amber Lin: Hmm.
475 01:10:52.260 ⇒ 01:10:53.980 Uttam Kumaran: Measurement. Deniable.
476 01:10:53.980 ⇒ 01:10:56.109 Amber Lin: Like being able to measure that
477 01:10:56.110 ⇒ 01:11:01.010 Uttam Kumaran: So, but until until we can tell until we have the tickets, I can’t ask people to
478 01:11:01.990 ⇒ 01:11:04.950 Uttam Kumaran: like, it’s sort of chicken egg problem.
479 01:11:05.340 ⇒ 01:11:11.650 Uttam Kumaran: The best engineers will document their work and get and do this because they’re not afraid of showing off
480 01:11:12.550 ⇒ 01:11:18.629 Uttam Kumaran: Because what I don’t for me I don’t have anything to hide. I’ll if I I’ll write down my to do list every day. It’ll speak for itself.
481 01:11:19.101 ⇒ 01:11:22.750 Uttam Kumaran: But there are other times where it’s opposite, where it’s like
482 01:11:23.050 ⇒ 01:11:28.410 Uttam Kumaran: people aren’t confident in doing that, maybe because they are too slow, or maybe because they’re not doing the work.
483 01:11:28.950 ⇒ 01:11:30.140 Uttam Kumaran: That’s what I want to find
484 01:11:30.140 ⇒ 01:11:40.990 Amber Lin: Yeah, I think that’s what what happens. And exactly, it’s a chicken and egg problem. If they don’t do the work, they don’t put the to do list, and they don’t do the to-do list. We can’t never know that they don’t do the work
485 01:11:41.200 ⇒ 01:11:41.830 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah.
486 01:11:42.100 ⇒ 01:11:53.209 Amber Lin: Yeah, okay, I will keep that in mind. I will let me get in contact with both to push him on that I do want it for the next meeting, because I don’t think this takes a long time. I’ll ask him to ask Chatgpt
487 01:11:53.630 ⇒ 01:11:59.070 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah. Just set your expectations. Set your expectations for what you expect from tasks
488 01:11:59.880 ⇒ 01:12:06.460 Uttam Kumaran: like. Do you expect like a 1 pager like, what are you expecting? I think the second piece for staff lists is
489 01:12:06.460 ⇒ 01:12:06.970 Amber Lin: Yeah.
490 01:12:07.323 ⇒ 01:12:12.390 Uttam Kumaran: I I finished writing my answers to most of the questions here for Savannah
491 01:12:12.390 ⇒ 01:12:13.800 Amber Lin: Let me check. Yeah.
492 01:12:36.920 ⇒ 01:12:37.670 Amber Lin: Oh.
493 01:12:47.040 ⇒ 01:12:51.379 Amber Lin: okay, think next I will.
494 01:12:51.610 ⇒ 01:12:56.740 Amber Lin: I will give this to her, and I will ask her to come up with a
495 01:12:57.410 ⇒ 01:13:06.559 Amber Lin: sort of maybe a wireframe or a plan based on this and A, and then to also give me any other questions she wants to clarify with Mitch
496 01:13:07.220 ⇒ 01:13:10.189 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, so one is like, yeah, wireframe
497 01:13:11.080 ⇒ 01:13:13.600 Uttam Kumaran: Dashboard, execution, plan.
498 01:13:17.700 ⇒ 01:13:19.596 Uttam Kumaran: The second piece is
499 01:13:20.820 ⇒ 01:13:24.440 Uttam Kumaran: I want. I want her to go explore the existing dashboards
500 01:13:24.890 ⇒ 01:13:27.700 Amber Lin: Okay.
501 01:13:31.260 ⇒ 01:13:33.059 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, that would be crucial
502 01:13:33.410 ⇒ 01:13:39.959 Amber Lin: Sounds good. I think Luke is still pretty sure on what he needs to do, and he’s decently on track, and he knows what’s going on.
503 01:13:40.370 ⇒ 01:13:46.030 Amber Lin: I think I will need to meet with Kyle to get him on board for both the
504 01:13:48.680 ⇒ 01:13:52.249 Amber Lin: both the pool parts in this, but I’ll probably make him be
505 01:13:52.250 ⇒ 01:14:07.239 Uttam Kumaran: Sort of the way. Yeah, the way I sort of oriented him is like he’s secondary meaning, like Luke, is the primary on stack blitz and pro cards. I am secondary that way. There’s redundancy. They can start reviewing each other’s work, and that sort of gets me out of it.
506 01:14:07.730 ⇒ 01:14:12.370 Uttam Kumaran: And then, if there’s more work than one person can handle, Kyle can take that.
507 01:14:12.480 ⇒ 01:14:15.618 Uttam Kumaran: I think the only I think the other thing to determine is
508 01:14:17.670 ⇒ 01:14:22.469 Uttam Kumaran: Can. You should have Luke give you a list of the work he knows that’s in flight.
509 01:14:23.340 ⇒ 01:14:25.870 Uttam Kumaran: so he can add it to. He can add it to linear
510 01:14:26.770 ⇒ 01:14:30.539 Amber Lin: He commented, added to linear for
511 01:14:30.730 ⇒ 01:14:34.380 Amber Lin: for pool parts or for stock list for one of them.
512 01:14:35.050 ⇒ 01:14:37.919 Amber Lin: He did. But it’s not very granular
513 01:14:39.220 ⇒ 01:14:50.679 Uttam Kumaran: I would just get yeah, I would try to while we’re just trying to get everything into linear push on the team to go do that, because if these guys are smart enough to go write it in a slack message, they’re smart enough to go. Put it in linear
514 01:14:51.110 ⇒ 01:14:51.810 Amber Lin: Okay.
515 01:14:52.270 ⇒ 01:14:54.970 Amber Lin: Oh, 2,
516 01:14:55.380 ⇒ 01:14:59.340 Uttam Kumaran: And I’ll I’ll give that feedback right now in the project management channel, too.
517 01:16:55.720 ⇒ 01:17:05.249 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, I’m gonna keep letting you push things through. Just lean on me. If you need my help I’m gonna keep. I’ll keep sending my like thoughts to the Project management channel. But I
518 01:17:05.250 ⇒ 01:17:06.070 Amber Lin: Yeah, sounds good.
519 01:17:06.070 ⇒ 01:17:17.879 Uttam Kumaran: I want it to come from you guys. So I’m sort of like, just all I’m telling all the engineers like I talked to a waste today. Talk to Kyle today. I talked to Amy today, as I said, rely on you guys for as much as possible
520 01:17:18.140 ⇒ 01:17:18.850 Amber Lin: Okay.
521 01:17:21.740 ⇒ 01:17:25.199 Uttam Kumaran: Okay, cool. Let me know how I can help. I’ll be on slack
522 01:17:25.670 ⇒ 01:17:30.840 Amber Lin: Yeah, of course, and I’ll I’ll reach out to the team. I’ll reach out to Beau and Kyle
523 01:17:32.350 ⇒ 01:17:33.770 Uttam Kumaran: Alright. Thank you.
524 01:17:33.770 ⇒ 01:17:34.630 Amber Lin: For your time.
525 01:17:35.610 ⇒ 01:17:36.460 Amber Lin: Bye.