Meeting Title: Uttam Anne’s Personal Meeting Room Date: 2024-12-19 Meeting participants: Anne, Uttam Kumaran
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1 00:00:28.270 ⇒ 00:00:30.670 Anne: Hi! Hi! Good morning!
2 00:00:30.670 ⇒ 00:00:32.090 Anne: Hi! Anne! Good morning!
3 00:00:32.090 ⇒ 00:00:32.615 Anne: Hey!
4 00:00:33.440 ⇒ 00:00:34.350 Uttam Kumaran: How are you?
5 00:00:35.376 ⇒ 00:00:38.153 Uttam Kumaran: Good! Good! Thank you. How are you.
6 00:00:38.850 ⇒ 00:00:42.460 Anne: Yeah, I was just looking for a grab delivery.
7 00:00:43.130 ⇒ 00:00:47.090 Anne: I’m I’m currently looking for a food. Later.
8 00:00:47.560 ⇒ 00:00:49.069 Uttam Kumaran: Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
9 00:00:50.130 ⇒ 00:00:55.289 Anne: But yeah, but the option is limited. Since I’m in the province currently.
10 00:00:55.290 ⇒ 00:01:01.530 Uttam Kumaran: Oh, okay, yeah, I just it’s hard to coordinate. Everybody’s like around the world. So
11 00:01:01.710 ⇒ 00:01:04.076 Uttam Kumaran: Miguel is helping to coordinate
12 00:01:06.570 ⇒ 00:01:08.550 Uttam Kumaran: But I’m excited as well.
13 00:01:09.200 ⇒ 00:01:10.210 Anne: Yup! Yup!
14 00:01:11.620 ⇒ 00:01:17.785 Uttam Kumaran: Cool. Yeah, no. I just wanted to grab time, and then kind of just ask you how everything’s going.
15 00:01:18.280 ⇒ 00:01:20.470 Uttam Kumaran: I know this month has been a little bit
16 00:01:20.770 ⇒ 00:01:26.451 Uttam Kumaran: like tough, because we I think I owe you a lot of feedback on stuff.
17 00:01:27.380 ⇒ 00:01:31.550 Uttam Kumaran: I I actually did spend a lot of time looking at the deck last night
18 00:01:31.690 ⇒ 00:01:39.959 Uttam Kumaran: and looking at a lot of deck inspo. So I should have like a lot of feedback today. Actually, I’m like, probably halfway through.
19 00:01:41.780 ⇒ 00:01:45.670 Uttam Kumaran: But the sows are great. We’re sending that to every single
20 00:01:46.390 ⇒ 00:01:52.689 Uttam Kumaran: client now, and those are really really great. I think we’ve done maybe 5 or 6 now.
21 00:01:53.174 ⇒ 00:02:07.949 Uttam Kumaran: And then. Yeah. The new. The new homepage went out. I don’t. I haven’t heard back from Helene yet on some of his stuff. So I think we probably just need to follow up with him. But yeah, how do you think stuff is going overall.
22 00:02:09.353 ⇒ 00:02:28.579 Anne: Yep I chat with Halim a while ago, and he said that like he’s sorry because he’s kind of busy with holidays this coming holiday. So I just said that just update us. So I can update also you regarding the task. So he said that he will do it tonight. Yeah.
23 00:02:28.900 ⇒ 00:02:32.670 Anne: okay, he will be catching with faster.
24 00:02:32.670 ⇒ 00:02:35.740 Uttam Kumaran: Okay, okay, how do you think everything is going? Otherwise?
25 00:02:36.985 ⇒ 00:02:59.304 Anne: Yeah, I think. It’s really ongoing. Well, in terms of person notion, because it’s been before. It’s really we have a different board. But now me and Marian also chatting about how we can improve also the design dashboard and
26 00:03:01.650 ⇒ 00:03:10.270 Anne: content, because cause Ryan is you know, sending me tasks, so I wanted to make sure that I don’t miss something.
27 00:03:11.552 ⇒ 00:03:13.630 Anne: For illustration. Yes.
28 00:03:13.800 ⇒ 00:03:15.985 Uttam Kumaran: Okay? Great. Yeah. I hope that.
29 00:03:16.660 ⇒ 00:03:22.259 Uttam Kumaran: it’s been getting a little bit easier notion even for me. So I’m very, very happy with a lot of the work that we’ve done.
30 00:03:22.769 ⇒ 00:03:30.339 Uttam Kumaran: And yeah, I don’t know. I think. You know, as we get towards the end of this year, how long have you been working with us now? Has it been like 4
31 00:03:30.630 ⇒ 00:03:32.690 Uttam Kumaran: 5 months per month?
32 00:03:33.250 ⇒ 00:03:33.910 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, I think.
33 00:03:34.060 ⇒ 00:03:37.429 Anne: 3 months. Yeah, it started in September. Yeah.
34 00:03:37.430 ⇒ 00:03:46.590 Uttam Kumaran: Okay, yeah. So I know for for everyone. I think you know, people are coming up on 3 months or 6 months or you know. So I wanted to spend some time
35 00:03:46.800 ⇒ 00:03:49.060 Uttam Kumaran: talking a little bit about
36 00:03:49.490 ⇒ 00:03:58.409 Uttam Kumaran: like one. I think. You know we’ve we’ve been. We’ve done a lot in the past year, and and especially in the past 6 months, I think. Second, you know, I’m
37 00:03:58.590 ⇒ 00:04:18.361 Uttam Kumaran: I’m going to be spending more time with everybody individually, and kind of hoping that we can, you know, sort of set goals. But also I can hear from everybody. You know what they’re interested in working on, if that’s what they’re if they’re currently doing that. And in case they want to do more, or they want to do other things that we can sort of talk about that.
38 00:04:18.730 ⇒ 00:04:39.260 Uttam Kumaran: so yeah, I guess you know, I wanted to spend today. And you know I’m happy to do another meeting, too, and sort of get your thoughts as well. But yeah, I wanted to kind of ask you like overall, you know, in the last 3 months sort of to reflect a little bit on sort of the work you’ve done here. What you think went really well, and then also think about, you know, maybe
39 00:04:39.520 ⇒ 00:04:47.229 Uttam Kumaran: where like, if you want to do anything different. What that may be, or if there’s anything else interesting.
40 00:04:47.450 ⇒ 00:04:56.460 Uttam Kumaran: either on the design side or in the company that you’re like, hey? I would love to go try to do that. You know I want to be. I want to listen and kind of see how we can make that happen.
41 00:04:59.520 ⇒ 00:05:03.100 Anne: Oh, wait, hold on! Sorry you may, because his phone is ringing.
42 00:05:03.100 ⇒ 00:05:05.890 Uttam Kumaran: Oh, yeah, no no worries, no worries, no worries.
43 00:05:21.040 ⇒ 00:05:37.580 Anne: Hello, yes, I’m back. Yeah, yeah. Thank you. You brought that up because, currently I also like to really step up the game in terms of design. So I want to have, like the full responsibility
44 00:05:37.730 ⇒ 00:05:48.469 Anne: in it. So because since you’re trusting with the design, I think maybe I can like, you know, full gear on the design perspective. So
45 00:05:50.310 ⇒ 00:05:53.369 Anne: yeah, cause lately. I don’t know if
46 00:05:53.820 ⇒ 00:05:56.417 Anne: it’s in the if I miss
47 00:05:57.660 ⇒ 00:06:10.442 Anne: like task from Ryan, because sometimes he does the images, and I don’t want him, of course, to to do that, because I that’s my job, and I want him just feel like we do a lot of
48 00:06:11.150 ⇒ 00:06:14.830 Anne: content and other programming AI stuff
49 00:06:15.290 ⇒ 00:06:23.270 Anne: on the side. So I don’t want to burn him with that. And then I think he’s not really that familiar in figma. So
50 00:06:23.760 ⇒ 00:06:29.375 Anne: so yeah, maybe. Yeah, I I think. And
51 00:06:30.130 ⇒ 00:06:32.816 Anne: yeah, I think for next year it
52 00:06:33.300 ⇒ 00:06:37.400 Anne: I’ll be changing some templates
53 00:06:37.860 ⇒ 00:06:41.869 Anne: since we’re changing the fonts. So
54 00:06:42.500 ⇒ 00:06:47.880 Anne: yeah, I’ll explore some inspiration this if I don’t have
55 00:06:48.990 ⇒ 00:06:56.999 Anne: like good thing to do next week or this holidays. I’ll search for some inspiration, or maybe mock things up.
56 00:06:57.990 ⇒ 00:06:58.430 Uttam Kumaran: Yes.
57 00:06:58.430 ⇒ 00:07:00.690 Anne: To play around with it. Yeah.
58 00:07:00.690 ⇒ 00:07:09.960 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, I think one is definitely. I want everything on the design side to at least get approved by you. Right? So you know, we may have other people that
59 00:07:10.140 ⇒ 00:07:30.539 Uttam Kumaran: sort of work on designs, or try. And you know, Ryan, and and sometimes Nico and everybody’s doing it, not because they think they’re designed. They’re doing just to to get the job done right. But at the same time, like, I wanna make sure that you have control over that, and you can approve right? Similarly, like, I approve a lot of stuff that goes out. I want you to be sort of the
60 00:07:31.260 ⇒ 00:07:48.199 Uttam Kumaran: have the mind of like what we need to do from the design side and make sure that we don’t ship anything that’s that’s doesn’t adhere to that. The other thing is, we’re gonna start to have a lot of design assets. We already do. I mean, we have everything on the website. We’re gonna start at the documents. And then we’re also gonna have decks.
61 00:07:48.721 ⇒ 00:07:55.040 Uttam Kumaran: So the one thing is, I think, continuing to think about sort of the design language across everything.
62 00:07:55.200 ⇒ 00:07:57.052 Uttam Kumaran: I think. Also.
63 00:07:57.810 ⇒ 00:08:09.470 Uttam Kumaran: you know what would be very, very helpful. I yeah, I totally agree is for you to spend a little bit of time and look at a lot of like our competitors work. You know, I think I’m gonna send.
64 00:08:09.610 ⇒ 00:08:13.940 Uttam Kumaran: even as part of this deck process, I have about 10 like
65 00:08:14.060 ⇒ 00:08:19.700 Uttam Kumaran: 10 links with, like hundreds of different decks for you to take a look at. That shows examples.
66 00:08:20.121 ⇒ 00:08:33.539 Uttam Kumaran: But you know, I do think we want to have a really clear perspective of like, how we do design what’s important to us? You know, and some of it is going to be that things look great. But also we do have a
67 00:08:33.610 ⇒ 00:08:59.979 Uttam Kumaran: goal of like conveying information, you know. So there’s a lot of sites where you go to like, wow! This looks crazy. But I have no idea what these guys do. It’s and it’s like, kind of complex. The other side is, you go to a site. And it’s like, so boring, right? So we we’re somewhere in the middle where I want our design to convey one that we care. You know we care a lot about the stuff we do. And and second, I want to convey what we do very, very clearly, right? So for us.
68 00:09:00.050 ⇒ 00:09:10.169 Uttam Kumaran: design not only shows that we’re like serious. The second thing is that I want design to help convey the information, right design and the information shouldn’t compete.
69 00:09:10.450 ⇒ 00:09:22.609 Uttam Kumaran: You see what I mean, like the design and the information should work hand in hand to translate like a point of view or a piece of info. So that’s where I want to spend a lot more time kind of getting more scientific.
70 00:09:22.730 ⇒ 00:09:30.749 Uttam Kumaran: The second thing is, I want to start using data, especially on the website side, to start to help improve our decisions on what we do.
71 00:09:30.920 ⇒ 00:09:39.279 Uttam Kumaran: So this is where I really would love for you to kind of guide Pauline. To think about what data we want to collect
72 00:09:39.390 ⇒ 00:09:52.350 Uttam Kumaran: in terms of what people are clicking on, what people are hovering over. Right? I don’t want to start. I don’t want to keep making decisions where it’s sort of like, we’re just kind of thinking. Let’s go do this. Let’s go. Do this. We want to have a clear way of prioritizing
73 00:09:52.813 ⇒ 00:09:57.380 Uttam Kumaran: and then also, we wanna we wanna try to also have a process of getting feedback from people.
74 00:09:57.860 ⇒ 00:10:01.369 Uttam Kumaran: You know, I sort of send some feedback, usually just a good feedback.
75 00:10:01.590 ⇒ 00:10:15.290 Uttam Kumaran: But I do wanna think about a process where we can collect feedback from website visitors or friends, and then sort of help push that in or clients and basically help push that into the site.
76 00:10:15.680 ⇒ 00:10:24.859 Uttam Kumaran: So one thing that would be really, really helpful to think about, you know, going into next year is what is a feedback process that we can run with all of our existing clients.
77 00:10:25.690 ⇒ 00:10:34.560 Uttam Kumaran: One thing that we can do there is ask, hey? When you saw Brainforge the website, what did you think? Did it help convince you to work with us?
78 00:10:34.890 ⇒ 00:10:36.690 Uttam Kumaran: Looking at it today
79 00:10:37.170 ⇒ 00:10:45.960 Uttam Kumaran: as a prospective customer. What else would you need to see here? Those are the things that I want me, you to run feedback sessions with clients on
80 00:10:46.603 ⇒ 00:10:54.036 Uttam Kumaran: you know. But I want to basically do like a user interview. And I want you to you to hopefully run that
81 00:10:54.710 ⇒ 00:10:59.589 Uttam Kumaran: So those are the things that are really top of mind, I think, for us to really get to the, you know, like.
82 00:10:59.800 ⇒ 00:11:05.210 Uttam Kumaran: get from where we are to like. Really, really the next level where it’s it’s like super data driven.
83 00:11:05.656 ⇒ 00:11:09.940 Uttam Kumaran: You know. And then also, we’re thinking about our design system as a whole.
84 00:11:12.800 ⇒ 00:11:24.609 Anne: Yeah, yeah. So yeah, I think I’m yeah, I’m open to exploring that also. So maybe I will talk to Halim if he has an idea, cause, you know, sometimes.
85 00:11:25.260 ⇒ 00:11:30.800 Anne: I’m busy with his other work. So yeah, I’ll ask him
86 00:11:31.878 ⇒ 00:11:35.349 Anne: comments or suggestions suggestions from them.
87 00:11:35.630 ⇒ 00:11:39.039 Uttam Kumaran: Okay, yeah. And I wanna introduce. I also want, I know,
88 00:11:39.480 ⇒ 00:11:46.469 Uttam Kumaran: sometimes. I’m I’m sure you’re like, you don’t want to talk to the clients directly, but I do want you to meet them.
89 00:11:46.820 ⇒ 00:11:48.060 Uttam Kumaran: not because
90 00:11:48.420 ⇒ 00:11:55.459 Uttam Kumaran: I enjoy seeing you like. Get nervous, but I want you to. Those are our those are who we’re designing for.
91 00:11:55.630 ⇒ 00:12:00.029 Uttam Kumaran: And so if you’re always, if for you, if you’re always hearing that through me.
92 00:12:00.200 ⇒ 00:12:04.960 Uttam Kumaran: it’s it may be filtered. I want you to see them in the face and be like this is who I’m designing for.
93 00:12:05.180 ⇒ 00:12:11.969 Uttam Kumaran: right? So I want. I want you to really think hard about if we book a meeting with each of our clients, and we talk to them about
94 00:12:12.070 ⇒ 00:12:16.260 Uttam Kumaran: sort of all of our designs, what questions we want to ask them.
95 00:12:16.370 ⇒ 00:12:18.829 Uttam Kumaran: and I would love for you to run that meeting.
96 00:12:20.550 ⇒ 00:12:32.920 Anne: Yep, yep, I’m kind of miss that also, because before when I work in corporate here in the Philippines I do sometimes meet with clients from your offices. Since. I work for an agency.
97 00:12:33.060 ⇒ 00:12:33.840 Uttam Kumaran: Nice.
98 00:12:34.150 ⇒ 00:12:35.120 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, but.
99 00:12:35.120 ⇒ 00:12:41.990 Anne: You know. Yup, Yup, but you know it’s different, because now it’s international. But.
100 00:12:42.390 ⇒ 00:12:47.660 Uttam Kumaran: You’re totally fine. Number one. We all of our clients really enjoy our work.
101 00:12:47.780 ⇒ 00:12:54.990 Uttam Kumaran: So you’re not coming into a situation where people are like mad at us. The second thing is, everybody has loved our design.
102 00:12:55.160 ⇒ 00:13:12.262 Uttam Kumaran: So for for you the thing is like, how can I? I want you to be able to meet directly with them. One, it puts a person’s face to the user. Right? Otherwise, you’re like, Oh, we have 100 users, 200. You don’t see all of them, so I want you to see them in the face and then ask them the questions that we need to hear. You know.
103 00:13:13.290 ⇒ 00:13:32.509 Uttam Kumaran: everybody is so nice, by the way, everybody that we work with, so we’ll never be in a position where it’s like tense. But I do want you to have that experience. Because we’re gonna start signing more and more clients. And I want a structured way that we get feedback on our onboarding process, or how they found us. Everything like that, you know.
104 00:13:41.850 ⇒ 00:13:55.359 Anne: Yeah, yeah. yeah. So I’d like also to to join the the meeting. So I can, you know, feel the vibes of our company if they’re too serious, or maybe
105 00:13:55.530 ⇒ 00:13:59.479 Anne: the company’s, kinda you know, fun.
106 00:14:00.980 ⇒ 00:14:04.719 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah. And some some clients, you know, will be more serious than others.
107 00:14:04.880 ⇒ 00:14:08.579 Uttam Kumaran: But then how does that impact the design? Right? Like, you know.
108 00:14:09.910 ⇒ 00:14:14.760 Anne: Yup, Yup, cause it’s sometimes yeah, it really affects the
109 00:14:15.190 ⇒ 00:14:19.390 Anne: you know, the voice or the tone of their brand. So.
110 00:14:19.390 ⇒ 00:14:19.980 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah.
111 00:14:19.980 ⇒ 00:14:23.309 Anne: Maybe maybe the leads are.
112 00:14:24.990 ⇒ 00:14:36.860 Anne: It’s their preference or not, because sometimes the client, the company’s brand is really different from those who are leading it so.
113 00:14:37.230 ⇒ 00:14:38.139 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, correct.
114 00:14:40.520 ⇒ 00:14:59.439 Uttam Kumaran: Okay, cool. And then anything else like, how do you feel like in terms of workload and like working with the team? And you know I do think we have the design meetings. But yeah, I don’t know. How do you? I know you. You like to get a lot of work done on your own. So just confirming that that’s still the case, or anything any other feedback on like process, or the team.
115 00:15:01.264 ⇒ 00:15:08.345 Anne: Yeah, same. I still like, what I’m doing here in green for just that. It’s just that’s the same
116 00:15:08.820 ⇒ 00:15:18.030 Anne: what we talk about last month that it’s kind of really. I took all this.
117 00:15:20.100 ⇒ 00:15:25.259 Anne: I feel like I’m out of place when you guys are talking about AI and stuff, because
118 00:15:25.500 ⇒ 00:15:28.477 Anne: it’s really a technical from my side. So
119 00:15:29.150 ⇒ 00:15:34.400 Anne: and I’m not that updated nowadays in text. So but if.
120 00:15:34.400 ⇒ 00:15:34.810 Uttam Kumaran: Alright!
121 00:15:37.128 ⇒ 00:15:40.980 Anne: good to know, you know, sometimes, like the cloud
122 00:15:42.190 ⇒ 00:15:48.920 Anne: I’m reading our blog. So it’s really kind of helpful that this product exists.
123 00:15:49.680 ⇒ 00:15:54.740 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah. And I’m hoping that. Also, you know, we’re gonna start next year, we’ll start to do video
124 00:15:55.556 ⇒ 00:16:12.849 Uttam Kumaran: as well. So we’ll definitely need some more help on the like sort of image side and transitions and more video stuff. So I think that could be really fun to do. And then, yeah, I want, I wanna start to have you use as many AI tools as you want. I mean, I know you’re using free pick and some stuff like that.
125 00:16:13.220 ⇒ 00:16:13.895 Uttam Kumaran: But
126 00:16:14.860 ⇒ 00:16:25.000 Uttam Kumaran: again, I don’t know our stuff. Isn’t that create? It’s like, not the most creative stuff in terms of illustrations. It’s more about like colors and and design.
127 00:16:25.759 ⇒ 00:16:30.500 Uttam Kumaran: But I think we can think about how do we could use more AI sort of in your process
128 00:16:31.040 ⇒ 00:16:32.110 Uttam Kumaran: next year?
129 00:16:33.510 ⇒ 00:16:39.318 Anne: Yep, yep, I would like to explore that, by the way, for the free peak sometimes.
130 00:16:40.130 ⇒ 00:16:43.900 Anne: it does have like a notification, or
131 00:16:45.590 ⇒ 00:16:49.529 Anne: I can’t download some content, some premium content.
132 00:16:49.810 ⇒ 00:16:50.810 Uttam Kumaran: Oh, really.
133 00:16:51.170 ⇒ 00:16:55.340 Anne: Yep, yep, maybe I can send you one link. Then.
134 00:16:55.340 ⇒ 00:16:57.040 Uttam Kumaran: Yes, send me an example.
135 00:16:58.000 ⇒ 00:16:59.000 Anne: Yep, yep.
136 00:17:09.780 ⇒ 00:17:12.599 Anne: Or maybe I can send it later.
137 00:17:13.060 ⇒ 00:17:15.940 Anne: Yeah, I’m just logged in. Yeah, yeah, sorry.
138 00:17:17.950 ⇒ 00:17:28.230 Anne: But yeah, overall. I’m happy with green force. So I think I just need to step up more on the design side. So
139 00:17:29.340 ⇒ 00:17:34.329 Anne: yep, to really take a lead on the design. Yeah, I would love to.
140 00:17:34.790 ⇒ 00:17:40.789 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, no, I I mean one. I think you’ve already done a great job like owning sort of the design meetings and
141 00:17:41.080 ⇒ 00:17:44.989 Uttam Kumaran: running it like one. That’s exactly the people that we’re looking for.
142 00:17:45.480 ⇒ 00:18:07.539 Uttam Kumaran: You know how busy we are and how much we’re trying to do. And you know, for for an engineering company. We have amazing designs, and I credit. You know I talk about you often to a lot of people about how we have an amazing sort of design language and design system. I think definitely, I think there’s you have the right idea about where there’s room to grow
143 00:18:07.960 ⇒ 00:18:13.409 Uttam Kumaran: and then I wanna plan next year for like, you know, some of these larger items?
144 00:18:13.843 ⇒ 00:18:34.090 Uttam Kumaran: And then, yeah, I want to continue to sort of give you guys give you more responsibility and more ownership over decision making. I think the biggest thing for you is, I know some of the stuff is kind of technical in terms of like the work that we do. But for you to really get a good sense of for you to kind of close the gap
145 00:18:34.220 ⇒ 00:18:59.047 Uttam Kumaran: between, like what I know about what we do. And then your skill set on the design side. It will take some time to learn a bit about data, learn a bit about AI, and I think we’re gonna try to figure out ways where we can sort of teach everybody our process. Sort of the things that we do for clients. Because eventually you won’t even need me like you’ll you’ll know exactly like what we do and how to run it.
146 00:19:00.110 ⇒ 00:19:04.549 Uttam Kumaran: and so I’m very excited for that for next year, for sure.
147 00:19:06.100 ⇒ 00:19:09.579 Uttam Kumaran: And then yeah, I mean, look, the company is also growing slowly.
148 00:19:10.145 ⇒ 00:19:35.840 Uttam Kumaran: So I’m also very excited that hopefully, next year, I could start to talk to everybody a bit more about like setting goals, and then also, like about compensation and bonus and stuff like that. I think next year will be the 1st year that I’m able to do that which is crazy because I I wanted to do that. We’re just like don’t have any money but it’s I know it’s very important. I want to make sure that everybody feels like
149 00:19:36.200 ⇒ 00:20:01.440 Uttam Kumaran: one that feels the way that you do where you’re not only really happy with the work, but you’re motivated to take on more. And I want to like reward that you know and so for me, it’s just making sure that this is a good environment for folks that feel that way? And then who knows? Like, maybe we hire another designer and you get someone under you that’s working for you. You know, depending on how much work we end up taking. So I want to think about those things longer. Term.
150 00:20:03.380 ⇒ 00:20:08.609 Anne: Yep, yep, I understand also, because this is a startup company. I don’t know if
151 00:20:09.919 ⇒ 00:20:16.219 Anne: since you have the vital cocoa, I think that’s a big win already for the company. So yeah.
152 00:20:16.450 ⇒ 00:20:19.939 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, you know, we have, like, probably 4 or 5 clients. And
153 00:20:20.530 ⇒ 00:20:34.279 Uttam Kumaran: yeah, it’s getting better. We just signed a client yesterday. I’ll talk about that. And we have a couple more people that are in process. But yeah, I’m excited for next year. And then, yeah, I’m excited, you know, next year we’re also gonna explore more about like benefits
154 00:20:34.460 ⇒ 00:20:37.359 Uttam Kumaran: and things like that, like all the normal company stuff
155 00:20:37.610 ⇒ 00:20:46.490 Uttam Kumaran: that we haven’t figured out that I need to figure out. So I just just thanks for sticking with it, you know, while we’re deciding and
156 00:20:46.910 ⇒ 00:20:50.390 Uttam Kumaran: figuring all that out, you know, I know it’s it’s definitely not easy. So.
157 00:20:52.080 ⇒ 00:21:01.260 Anne: I thank you so much. For you know, encouraging us also with in work and with
158 00:21:01.580 ⇒ 00:21:04.500 Anne: with the coming, you know, benefits and stuff.
159 00:21:04.500 ⇒ 00:21:05.613 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, yeah.
160 00:21:06.170 ⇒ 00:21:09.739 Anne: Cause. It’s really rare in a freelance world.
161 00:21:09.890 ⇒ 00:21:14.750 Anne: thrilled that you have benefits when others love there. So.
162 00:21:14.750 ⇒ 00:21:24.310 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, no, I think it is really rare, but also like, look, this is a we want to build the best company. We want to get the best people we have to offer the best you know, and it’s
163 00:21:24.430 ⇒ 00:21:29.190 Uttam Kumaran: for me it’s really hard, because I wish I was just 2 years later, and I could offer all that
164 00:21:29.837 ⇒ 00:21:39.380 Uttam Kumaran: unfortunately, like, I’m also our Cfo, and so it’s like, it’s like me versus me, you know. I want to spend money, and then I’m like.
165 00:21:39.500 ⇒ 00:21:44.399 Uttam Kumaran: don’t spend the money. And so it’s it’s it’ll it’s like slowly growing so
166 00:21:44.590 ⇒ 00:22:03.569 Uttam Kumaran: perfect. Okay, great anything else I can answer, otherwise I’ll look forward to. I just wanna make sure that you yeah, if you whatever. However, you can work with Miguel on getting food or anything feel free, or if you or if it doesn’t work to get food through, grab. If you just want to buy something, I can reimburse you to
167 00:22:05.050 ⇒ 00:22:06.260 Uttam Kumaran: whatever works.
168 00:22:07.260 ⇒ 00:22:19.250 Anne: Oh, yep, yep, I’ll check later when Miguel sent me, because I think yes, option if we wanted cash, or just send the delivery, but because right now.
169 00:22:19.759 ⇒ 00:22:22.899 Anne: since I’m in the province, it’s very limited. So.
170 00:22:22.900 ⇒ 00:22:23.469 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, yeah.
171 00:22:23.470 ⇒ 00:22:25.119 Anne: Yeah, thank you so much.
172 00:22:25.450 ⇒ 00:22:26.899 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, yeah, of course.
173 00:22:27.060 ⇒ 00:22:29.599 Uttam Kumaran: Okay, thank you. And I’ll talk to you. Then.
174 00:22:29.600 ⇒ 00:22:32.559 Anne: Yep, thank you. See you later. Bye.