Meeting Title: Uttam <> Patrick-Weekly Date: 2024-10-03 Meeting participants: Patrick Trainer, Uttam Kumaran
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1 00:05:52.180 ⇒ 00:05:52.930 Uttam Kumaran: Hey! Pat!
2 00:05:53.090 ⇒ 00:05:54.040 Patrick Trainer: Yo.
3 00:05:54.040 ⇒ 00:05:55.710 Uttam Kumaran: Hey? Sorry about the delay.
4 00:05:55.710 ⇒ 00:05:56.770 Patrick Trainer: It’s all good.
5 00:05:57.250 ⇒ 00:05:59.089 Uttam Kumaran: It’s a long day.
6 00:05:59.170 ⇒ 00:06:00.828 Uttam Kumaran: It’s been a long week.
7 00:06:01.160 ⇒ 00:06:02.320 Patrick Trainer: No kidding.
8 00:06:03.330 ⇒ 00:06:04.120 Uttam Kumaran: How’s everything?
9 00:06:04.120 ⇒ 00:06:07.080 Patrick Trainer: The Whatchamacallit.
10 00:06:07.490 ⇒ 00:06:10.490 Uttam Kumaran: I know it’s huge. I’m pumped.
11 00:06:10.490 ⇒ 00:06:11.600 Patrick Trainer: Pretty sick, huh!
12 00:06:12.880 ⇒ 00:06:20.944 Uttam Kumaran: Wow! It’s great work, I mean, like it’s it’s sick to be partnering with them and it. And honestly, I was very nervous. That
13 00:06:21.610 ⇒ 00:06:23.910 Uttam Kumaran: What they wanted from us was gonna be
14 00:06:23.940 ⇒ 00:06:27.159 Uttam Kumaran: like crazy, and seems very, very simple.
15 00:06:27.160 ⇒ 00:06:28.190 Patrick Trainer: Right.
16 00:06:28.920 ⇒ 00:06:30.430 Patrick Trainer: right, right.
17 00:06:30.430 ⇒ 00:06:36.730 Uttam Kumaran: Great like, I mean, Sid knows kind of like the stuff we do. But the click house piece.
18 00:06:37.320 ⇒ 00:06:43.900 Uttam Kumaran: I think they’re they’re trying to like hinge their stuff on it, because at scale. I think they want to
19 00:06:43.990 ⇒ 00:06:55.329 Uttam Kumaran: like, I, he mentioned, like, yeah, we don’t do a lot of stuff on Snowflake. And I’m like, well, we’re running stuff on Snowflake, I think, mainly because our data size is like way smaller than some of their like huge clients.
20 00:06:55.330 ⇒ 00:06:55.770 Patrick Trainer: Right.
21 00:06:57.380 ⇒ 00:07:04.250 Uttam Kumaran: so. But I mean, I it seems like the click. I I literally read one of the articles, and it’s like.
22 00:07:04.370 ⇒ 00:07:08.000 Uttam Kumaran: Oh, we could just move data into S. 3, and it should be fine.
23 00:07:08.000 ⇒ 00:07:11.900 Patrick Trainer: Yeah, yeah, that’s kind of what I was thinking. It’d be.
24 00:07:13.120 ⇒ 00:07:16.779 Patrick Trainer: I mean, yeah, we like, we set up the storage integration.
25 00:07:17.110 ⇒ 00:07:18.199 Patrick Trainer: dump it
26 00:07:18.210 ⇒ 00:07:21.360 Patrick Trainer: or load it into S. 3 from Snowflake.
27 00:07:21.500 ⇒ 00:07:22.569 Patrick Trainer: and then
28 00:07:23.000 ⇒ 00:07:25.440 Patrick Trainer: click. House can just consume
29 00:07:26.280 ⇒ 00:07:27.580 Patrick Trainer: from S. 3.
30 00:07:28.600 ⇒ 00:07:30.909 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah. So I think that process
31 00:07:31.350 ⇒ 00:07:34.659 Uttam Kumaran: should be pretty straightforward. And then I think.
32 00:07:35.580 ⇒ 00:07:40.380 Uttam Kumaran: honestly think Ryan can probably take care of all the modeling on that one. What do you think about like
33 00:07:41.248 ⇒ 00:07:44.240 Uttam Kumaran: like the estimate that I gave
34 00:07:44.330 ⇒ 00:07:46.139 Uttam Kumaran: in terms of time?
35 00:07:46.160 ⇒ 00:07:50.462 Uttam Kumaran: I mean, I do think that if they let us start like next week.
36 00:07:51.650 ⇒ 00:07:54.350 Uttam Kumaran: That’s probably all the time we need
37 00:07:55.252 ⇒ 00:08:03.120 Uttam Kumaran: like, probably until the end of the month, or at least I would probably budget for 4 weeks. But I would probably say, like, Yeah, it seems like
38 00:08:03.170 ⇒ 00:08:05.370 Uttam Kumaran: pretty straightforward. You’re probably doing 3.
39 00:08:05.950 ⇒ 00:08:07.460 Patrick Trainer: Right? Right?
40 00:08:07.480 ⇒ 00:08:09.410 Patrick Trainer: Yeah, I would say, like.
41 00:08:10.390 ⇒ 00:08:12.140 Patrick Trainer: I mean, definitely get like
42 00:08:12.650 ⇒ 00:08:16.069 Patrick Trainer: some form of retainer on it. And then
43 00:08:18.260 ⇒ 00:08:22.770 Patrick Trainer: cause like I wanna account for like some unknowns, you know.
44 00:08:22.770 ⇒ 00:08:23.160 Uttam Kumaran: And.
45 00:08:23.160 ⇒ 00:08:23.925 Patrick Trainer: But
46 00:08:27.390 ⇒ 00:08:27.969 Patrick Trainer: I want to.
47 00:08:27.970 ⇒ 00:08:29.020 Uttam Kumaran: Count for like. Oh, we don’t.
48 00:08:29.020 ⇒ 00:08:30.400 Patrick Trainer: Really, all we’re doing is.
49 00:08:30.400 ⇒ 00:08:30.870 Uttam Kumaran: Don’t get.
50 00:08:30.870 ⇒ 00:08:31.480 Patrick Trainer: Right.
51 00:08:31.480 ⇒ 00:08:38.470 Uttam Kumaran: Like the click house in time. Basically, I’m gonna write all that all out on like the stuff we need. And.
52 00:08:38.919 ⇒ 00:08:39.359 Patrick Trainer: Right.
53 00:08:39.360 ⇒ 00:08:43.370 Uttam Kumaran: But otherwise, I think if it’s basically just that. And then
54 00:08:44.300 ⇒ 00:08:47.359 Uttam Kumaran: Ryan making the stuff in Github.
55 00:08:47.990 ⇒ 00:08:48.340 Patrick Trainer: Right.
56 00:08:48.340 ⇒ 00:08:53.019 Uttam Kumaran: I at least want to go higher on our estimate, and then, if we do it quick enough, then
57 00:08:53.320 ⇒ 00:08:54.066 Uttam Kumaran: that’s it.
58 00:08:54.440 ⇒ 00:08:55.210 Patrick Trainer: Right.
59 00:08:55.750 ⇒ 00:08:56.480 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah.
60 00:08:56.880 ⇒ 00:08:59.450 Patrick Trainer: Yeah, I would say, like.
61 00:09:00.290 ⇒ 00:09:02.850 Patrick Trainer: instead of thinking about it in terms of
62 00:09:03.020 ⇒ 00:09:04.460 Patrick Trainer: like time.
63 00:09:04.520 ⇒ 00:09:07.520 Patrick Trainer: like 2, 4 weeks, like, if it were
64 00:09:08.430 ⇒ 00:09:12.780 Patrick Trainer: actual, like hours like you said 40, 60 h.
65 00:09:12.780 ⇒ 00:09:13.819 Uttam Kumaran: That’s what I said, Yeah.
66 00:09:13.820 ⇒ 00:09:18.559 Patrick Trainer: Actual like work, and if there’s like time in between like waiting.
67 00:09:18.750 ⇒ 00:09:19.950 Patrick Trainer: then
68 00:09:20.060 ⇒ 00:09:23.169 Patrick Trainer: like that doesn’t count towards the hours, you know.
69 00:09:23.170 ⇒ 00:09:23.740 Uttam Kumaran: Exactly.
70 00:09:23.740 ⇒ 00:09:25.520 Patrick Trainer: To get the yeah to get the
71 00:09:25.880 ⇒ 00:09:28.260 Patrick Trainer: bucket set up, or whatever.
72 00:09:28.620 ⇒ 00:09:32.570 Uttam Kumaran: That’s what I was gonna try to basically say, like, Okay, just like, sign up for
73 00:09:33.000 ⇒ 00:09:35.760 Uttam Kumaran: estimate that it’s gonna take this long because
74 00:09:36.130 ⇒ 00:09:40.629 Uttam Kumaran: we don’t know what we don’t know, and if they tack on more stuff, then I don’t know. But
75 00:09:40.640 ⇒ 00:09:41.680 Uttam Kumaran: I think
76 00:09:41.830 ⇒ 00:09:46.300 Uttam Kumaran: 40, 60 h is good enough, and then that equivalent buys them, saying like.
77 00:09:46.810 ⇒ 00:09:49.629 Uttam Kumaran: Look, I feel like for you to go
78 00:09:49.670 ⇒ 00:09:56.020 Uttam Kumaran: from logging into their stuff, setting up s. 3, setting up the store generation that probably is. Gonna take
79 00:09:56.120 ⇒ 00:09:57.930 Uttam Kumaran: a few days like.
80 00:09:57.930 ⇒ 00:09:58.620 Patrick Trainer: Right.
81 00:09:58.875 ⇒ 00:10:06.279 Uttam Kumaran: To get right. So I’m like, Okay, cool. That’s probably at least one week of like 20 h. And then I think Ryan probably needs at least a week.
82 00:10:06.350 ⇒ 00:10:14.160 Uttam Kumaran: maybe feedback a week and a half to do the rest. So that’s on the low end of 40, and then, if it. If it’s anything crazier than that, that it’s higher.
83 00:10:14.900 ⇒ 00:10:22.550 Uttam Kumaran: I mean, and I and I could be there to supplement. But I also think that’s basically in range with what they want, anyway. So.
84 00:10:23.170 ⇒ 00:10:24.000 Patrick Trainer: Right.
85 00:10:25.170 ⇒ 00:10:26.130 Uttam Kumaran: Which is dope.
86 00:10:26.490 ⇒ 00:10:28.720 Patrick Trainer: Yeah, no, that that makes sense.
87 00:10:31.660 ⇒ 00:10:33.160 Patrick Trainer: I
88 00:10:34.630 ⇒ 00:10:38.690 Patrick Trainer: like. The only I guess, like blind spots I would have is
89 00:10:38.740 ⇒ 00:10:40.740 Patrick Trainer: if there’s anything like
90 00:10:40.960 ⇒ 00:10:43.800 Patrick Trainer: process wise. That’s specific to rill
91 00:10:45.560 ⇒ 00:10:46.310 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah.
92 00:10:47.130 ⇒ 00:10:49.539 Patrick Trainer: That’s like. That’s my only unknown.
93 00:10:50.320 ⇒ 00:10:52.111 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, that’s what I’m gonna
94 00:10:52.610 ⇒ 00:10:59.209 Uttam Kumaran: The nice thing is, basically, I’m gonna also have I? I mentioned to Ryan already that we’re working on this. So
95 00:10:59.410 ⇒ 00:11:01.109 Uttam Kumaran: I’m actually gonna see
96 00:11:01.450 ⇒ 00:11:08.950 Uttam Kumaran: this weekend if I can walk through one of the click house examples. But I don’t see why we can’t even just try click house
97 00:11:09.280 ⇒ 00:11:11.834 Uttam Kumaran: with our own stuff, too, beforehand.
98 00:11:12.260 ⇒ 00:11:13.030 Patrick Trainer: Right.
99 00:11:13.790 ⇒ 00:11:19.420 Uttam Kumaran: You know, or I can just have Ryan play around with it next week, like set up a dashboard on our
100 00:11:19.840 ⇒ 00:11:24.509 Uttam Kumaran: internal rail that pulls from our like free, like a free version of click house.
101 00:11:24.510 ⇒ 00:11:24.840 Patrick Trainer: Right.
102 00:11:24.840 ⇒ 00:11:27.200 Uttam Kumaran: Something that’s like a click house, Demo.
103 00:11:29.050 ⇒ 00:11:30.950 Uttam Kumaran: just to get used to it. But
104 00:11:31.470 ⇒ 00:11:34.840 Uttam Kumaran: I’m pretty confident it seems pretty.
105 00:11:35.010 ⇒ 00:11:35.870 Patrick Trainer: Right.
106 00:11:35.870 ⇒ 00:11:36.810 Uttam Kumaran: Manageable.
107 00:11:37.230 ⇒ 00:11:39.539 Patrick Trainer: Yeah, no, I’m I’m with you on that.
108 00:11:40.000 ⇒ 00:11:41.460 Uttam Kumaran: So hopefully, like
109 00:11:41.700 ⇒ 00:11:44.109 Uttam Kumaran: we cruise on that. And then
110 00:11:44.130 ⇒ 00:11:46.949 Uttam Kumaran: they basically give us the okay to
111 00:11:47.510 ⇒ 00:11:49.530 Uttam Kumaran: do. Do a couple more for.
112 00:11:53.900 ⇒ 00:11:55.689 Patrick Trainer: You you cut out
113 00:11:56.190 ⇒ 00:11:57.150 Patrick Trainer: like.
114 00:11:57.150 ⇒ 00:12:01.260 Uttam Kumaran: Adding click house to our like, our our list of stuff that we do, which is great, too.
115 00:12:01.260 ⇒ 00:12:02.640 Patrick Trainer: Oh, yeah, right?
116 00:12:05.200 ⇒ 00:12:06.380 Uttam Kumaran: So
117 00:12:07.790 ⇒ 00:12:09.701 Uttam Kumaran: yeah, pumped for that.
118 00:12:12.010 ⇒ 00:12:17.559 Uttam Kumaran: So I’m gonna go ahead and just like, send them. I’m I’ll write up a little bit of thing on our side in that, doc.
119 00:12:17.670 ⇒ 00:12:18.916 Uttam Kumaran: and then
120 00:12:20.250 ⇒ 00:12:26.130 Uttam Kumaran: I’ll share it with Ryan and just get wait for a thumbs up tomorrow morning and then send it over to Sid.
121 00:12:28.210 ⇒ 00:12:33.869 Uttam Kumaran: So let me do that. And then, yeah, I I have a
122 00:12:33.990 ⇒ 00:12:36.519 Uttam Kumaran: in terms of recruiting. I
123 00:12:36.590 ⇒ 00:12:37.605 Uttam Kumaran: interview
124 00:12:38.930 ⇒ 00:12:42.750 Uttam Kumaran: I didn’t interview anyone. I have an interview set up for
125 00:12:43.910 ⇒ 00:12:44.949 Uttam Kumaran: Monday.
126 00:12:46.020 ⇒ 00:12:48.155 Uttam Kumaran: But I think I’m gonna have that.
127 00:12:48.540 ⇒ 00:12:51.149 Uttam Kumaran: I think I’m gonna have Nico actually take that.
128 00:12:51.150 ⇒ 00:12:51.490 Patrick Trainer: And then.
129 00:12:51.490 ⇒ 00:12:57.389 Uttam Kumaran: With with the data engineer. I’m just out. So I kind of wanted to just do a little like 1st round with this person.
130 00:12:57.823 ⇒ 00:13:04.830 Uttam Kumaran: But he seems to have like a lot of like experience. So that’s great. And then I know you’re
131 00:13:05.040 ⇒ 00:13:07.429 Uttam Kumaran: speaking with Emily at some point right.
132 00:13:07.430 ⇒ 00:13:11.930 Patrick Trainer: Yeah. Gonna be talking what next week like, next Friday.
133 00:13:12.580 ⇒ 00:13:13.330 Uttam Kumaran: Pickle.
134 00:13:13.670 ⇒ 00:13:16.104 Uttam Kumaran: So yeah, that should be great.
135 00:13:16.970 ⇒ 00:13:21.309 Uttam Kumaran: And then, yeah, I’m just gonna go now and have to work on some stuff
136 00:13:21.480 ⇒ 00:13:23.973 Uttam Kumaran: for Roy. And then I’m just gonna
137 00:13:24.890 ⇒ 00:13:27.490 Uttam Kumaran: work on the job descriptions a little bit
138 00:13:27.600 ⇒ 00:13:28.270 Uttam Kumaran: cool.
139 00:13:29.220 ⇒ 00:13:32.830 Uttam Kumaran: And then, yeah, what did you think about stuff for the interns.
140 00:13:35.200 ⇒ 00:13:39.422 Patrick Trainer: I think what where we left off was
141 00:13:41.040 ⇒ 00:13:46.460 Patrick Trainer: pretty like ideal like. I guess I expected them to.
142 00:13:46.800 ⇒ 00:13:48.450 Patrick Trainer: I don’t know. Say something.
143 00:13:48.460 ⇒ 00:13:52.219 Patrick Trainer: but I think that’s kind of the the issue that we were.
144 00:13:52.220 ⇒ 00:13:55.180 Uttam Kumaran: So the issue? Yeah, which is, I’m the same way I’m like.
145 00:13:55.560 ⇒ 00:13:57.780 Uttam Kumaran: well, it’s sort of like, I don’t know.
146 00:13:58.080 ⇒ 00:14:00.889 Uttam Kumaran: like I don’t know if my expectations are so high. But I’m like.
147 00:14:01.450 ⇒ 00:14:03.330 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, say something like.
148 00:14:03.610 ⇒ 00:14:05.740 Uttam Kumaran: so don’t be so passive.
149 00:14:06.490 ⇒ 00:14:06.800 Patrick Trainer: Right.
150 00:14:08.410 ⇒ 00:14:10.950 Uttam Kumaran: But yeah, whatever.
151 00:14:13.150 ⇒ 00:14:16.840 Patrick Trainer: yeah. So I figured, get with them like, next week, or
152 00:14:17.300 ⇒ 00:14:18.570 Patrick Trainer: something like that.
153 00:14:21.360 ⇒ 00:14:22.690 Patrick Trainer: In the meantime.
154 00:14:23.130 ⇒ 00:14:25.159 Patrick Trainer: just working through that document
155 00:14:25.400 ⇒ 00:14:27.680 Patrick Trainer: kind of laying out the land.
156 00:14:29.000 ⇒ 00:14:29.880 Patrick Trainer: Okay.
157 00:14:30.710 ⇒ 00:14:43.529 Uttam Kumaran: I wanna make sure that at some point like the person we bring on the D side and maybe talking with Emily would would be good to kind of like stress. Test some of that. But that person will kind of begin to allow
158 00:14:43.590 ⇒ 00:14:45.850 Uttam Kumaran: to help you on executing on that
159 00:14:45.950 ⇒ 00:14:47.671 Uttam Kumaran: stuff as well.
160 00:14:49.670 ⇒ 00:14:52.039 Uttam Kumaran: so cool.
161 00:14:52.790 ⇒ 00:14:53.440 Patrick Trainer: Sweet.
162 00:14:58.720 ⇒ 00:14:59.550 Patrick Trainer: yeah.
163 00:15:00.890 ⇒ 00:15:07.838 Patrick Trainer: cool, cool and then last thing from me is
164 00:15:09.470 ⇒ 00:15:12.980 Patrick Trainer: yeah, it. So it’s around money.
165 00:15:14.530 ⇒ 00:15:21.279 Patrick Trainer: and I’ve told you like I’m here, brain forged like long haul.
166 00:15:21.440 ⇒ 00:15:24.289 Patrick Trainer: like, you know. I’m down.
167 00:15:24.290 ⇒ 00:15:24.900 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah.
168 00:15:25.450 ⇒ 00:15:30.080 Patrick Trainer: In order for me to be able to do that like I need to
169 00:15:30.570 ⇒ 00:15:33.240 Patrick Trainer: be able to like pay bills right.
170 00:15:33.240 ⇒ 00:15:33.940 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, yeah.
171 00:15:35.030 ⇒ 00:15:38.139 Patrick Trainer: And so with that, because, like, I know, like.
172 00:15:39.000 ⇒ 00:15:44.119 Patrick Trainer: like, money doesn’t just like appear out of nowhere. And like, I’m totally like empathetic
173 00:15:44.290 ⇒ 00:15:45.570 Patrick Trainer: to that.
174 00:15:45.680 ⇒ 00:15:47.010 Patrick Trainer: And so
175 00:15:47.200 ⇒ 00:15:51.430 Patrick Trainer: I accepted a job, or I had a job offer.
176 00:15:52.545 ⇒ 00:15:53.390 Patrick Trainer: But
177 00:15:53.830 ⇒ 00:15:56.970 Patrick Trainer: what I’m going to in like what
178 00:15:57.340 ⇒ 00:16:04.389 Patrick Trainer: that is going to allow me to do is to continue basically working with with Brainforge. Okay, you know.
179 00:16:04.410 ⇒ 00:16:07.720 Patrick Trainer: And so like, I think that way.
180 00:16:08.520 ⇒ 00:16:12.889 Patrick Trainer: like, I mean, I’m gonna be putting in longer hours. But
181 00:16:13.770 ⇒ 00:16:20.260 Patrick Trainer: I think that’s going to take. I mean financial stress off me, which I think in turn will
182 00:16:20.280 ⇒ 00:16:22.909 Patrick Trainer: take stress off you, too.
183 00:16:24.320 ⇒ 00:16:32.030 Patrick Trainer: And it also, it’s like, I need like health. And I need to go to the doctor and that sort of shit.
184 00:16:33.950 ⇒ 00:16:34.780 Patrick Trainer: But
185 00:16:34.880 ⇒ 00:16:39.829 Patrick Trainer: yeah, so that like just happened and wanted to.
186 00:16:41.410 ⇒ 00:16:41.940 Uttam Kumaran: Thank you.
187 00:16:41.940 ⇒ 00:16:43.620 Patrick Trainer: Make you aware of that.
188 00:16:43.840 ⇒ 00:16:45.463 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, it makes sense.
189 00:16:46.060 ⇒ 00:16:53.300 Uttam Kumaran: yeah, I didn’t know. So I mean, I I guess I understand. I guess I just want to know like what?
190 00:16:54.300 ⇒ 00:16:55.319 Uttam Kumaran: I guess
191 00:16:55.460 ⇒ 00:16:58.899 Uttam Kumaran: we’re gonna have more stuff coming up. So I just wanna know
192 00:16:59.200 ⇒ 00:17:06.780 Uttam Kumaran: if I could rely on you for that, or what you think about like we? There may be meetings and stuff like that. So I just need to know.
193 00:17:06.960 ⇒ 00:17:08.329 Patrick Trainer: Right, right.
194 00:17:08.890 ⇒ 00:17:11.190 Uttam Kumaran: Especially, we’re working on client facing stuff.
195 00:17:11.573 ⇒ 00:17:14.409 Uttam Kumaran: If you’re gonna if you’re not gonna be available, then.
196 00:17:16.800 ⇒ 00:17:21.912 Uttam Kumaran: yeah, I I mean, I I get it I totally get the position you’re in. I just don’t.
197 00:17:22.770 ⇒ 00:17:25.300 Uttam Kumaran: I just don’t have the cash right now, so.
198 00:17:25.300 ⇒ 00:17:31.549 Patrick Trainer: Yeah. Yeah. And like, see, that’s the like, that’s the position that I’m in, too, is like.
199 00:17:31.760 ⇒ 00:17:32.970 Patrick Trainer: I’ve like.
200 00:17:33.350 ⇒ 00:17:34.810 Patrick Trainer: basically
201 00:17:35.240 ⇒ 00:17:37.649 Patrick Trainer: like, exhausted savings.
202 00:17:37.650 ⇒ 00:17:38.180 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah.
203 00:17:38.180 ⇒ 00:17:44.319 Patrick Trainer: And it’s like we’ve been doing this like what 9 months now or so.
204 00:17:44.340 ⇒ 00:17:46.040 Patrick Trainer: and
205 00:17:46.290 ⇒ 00:17:49.400 Patrick Trainer: like, I think I want to keep doing this.
206 00:17:49.470 ⇒ 00:17:50.610 Patrick Trainer: But
207 00:17:50.920 ⇒ 00:17:52.769 Patrick Trainer: in order for me to
208 00:17:53.860 ⇒ 00:17:55.500 Patrick Trainer: like, it’s that that.
209 00:17:55.500 ⇒ 00:17:55.970 Uttam Kumaran: Totally.
210 00:17:55.970 ⇒ 00:17:57.539 Patrick Trainer: Like there’s no win.
211 00:17:57.540 ⇒ 00:18:05.590 Uttam Kumaran: No, no, that totally makes sense. I mean, look for me. The goal is always like, Okay, how do I pay? And like, get everybody on w twos and stuff like that, but it’s just.
212 00:18:05.590 ⇒ 00:18:06.230 Patrick Trainer: Right.
213 00:18:06.430 ⇒ 00:18:09.340 Uttam Kumaran: It’s taking time. So just give me a sense of like
214 00:18:09.590 ⇒ 00:18:13.639 Uttam Kumaran: what hours you think you can do, and.
215 00:18:13.640 ⇒ 00:18:14.090 Patrick Trainer: Right.
216 00:18:14.090 ⇒ 00:18:14.850 Uttam Kumaran: Like,
217 00:18:16.500 ⇒ 00:18:20.330 Uttam Kumaran: yeah, I guess. Give me a sense of that, and
218 00:18:21.120 ⇒ 00:18:29.779 Uttam Kumaran: also give me a sense of like where you, where we can set the goal to be in terms of salary, because that’ll give me a good sense of like what to work towards.
219 00:18:29.780 ⇒ 00:18:31.570 Patrick Trainer: Right? Right?
220 00:18:33.270 ⇒ 00:18:36.070 Patrick Trainer: so in terms of
221 00:18:36.080 ⇒ 00:18:43.929 Patrick Trainer: like I mean hours and whatnot, I think I mean where my head is at and where I think I
222 00:18:44.430 ⇒ 00:18:45.340 Patrick Trainer: make
223 00:18:46.220 ⇒ 00:18:48.530 Patrick Trainer: a lot of impact. Is that
224 00:18:49.080 ⇒ 00:18:51.560 Patrick Trainer: like behind the scenes role?
225 00:18:51.840 ⇒ 00:18:54.650 Patrick Trainer: And like, if that means
226 00:18:57.230 ⇒ 00:19:06.929 Patrick Trainer: like, I guess I I like, I guess I’m I’m not totally sure. And that’s partially why I’m like, I mean, wanna talk this through with you, because it’s like.
227 00:19:08.430 ⇒ 00:19:09.730 Patrick Trainer: it’s
228 00:19:11.390 ⇒ 00:19:15.240 Patrick Trainer: yeah, like, it’s it’s just a tough situation, you know.
229 00:19:16.150 ⇒ 00:19:19.849 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, I think from my side.
230 00:19:21.090 ⇒ 00:19:33.369 Uttam Kumaran: we’re good. It’s gonna it’s gonna be a mix of both for a while, like I don’t have enough cash to fund pure platform stuff and to like, build a team around that. And I don’t know whether I will have
231 00:19:33.390 ⇒ 00:19:35.870 Uttam Kumaran: like a pure role for that
232 00:19:37.900 ⇒ 00:19:40.730 Uttam Kumaran: may it may take like another few months.
233 00:19:41.450 ⇒ 00:19:44.019 Uttam Kumaran: Probably 6 months if I had to guess.
234 00:19:44.040 ⇒ 00:19:46.520 Uttam Kumaran: So there’s always gonna be like.
235 00:19:46.660 ⇒ 00:19:51.300 Uttam Kumaran: there’s always going to be this client facing stuff that is basically funding all this.
236 00:19:51.810 ⇒ 00:19:52.320 Patrick Trainer: Right.
237 00:19:52.628 ⇒ 00:20:01.561 Uttam Kumaran: But if but I need, I especially need, which is kind of the reason we’re going after folks is I need someone client facing on the data and side
238 00:20:01.960 ⇒ 00:20:03.390 Uttam Kumaran: to be able to handle
239 00:20:04.960 ⇒ 00:20:07.870 Uttam Kumaran: stuff like what we need for for real.
240 00:20:08.170 ⇒ 00:20:08.560 Patrick Trainer: Right.
241 00:20:08.560 ⇒ 00:20:09.840 Uttam Kumaran: For new clients.
242 00:20:09.860 ⇒ 00:20:19.370 Uttam Kumaran: So that’s why I’m like, you know, I wanted to try to to fund your your data platform related work in addition to that. And then I knew there was
243 00:20:19.750 ⇒ 00:20:28.450 Uttam Kumaran: potentially opportunities for you to take on client work where possible. But if that’s not the case, then it’s yeah, I think the timeline is going to be
244 00:20:28.650 ⇒ 00:20:29.940 Uttam Kumaran: is gonna be a bit.
245 00:20:29.990 ⇒ 00:20:33.219 Uttam Kumaran: It’s just gonna be a bit longer, because I don’t know when I’m gonna have.
246 00:20:33.450 ⇒ 00:20:38.560 Uttam Kumaran: you know, 70 to 80 grand even to start just to put towards
247 00:20:40.940 ⇒ 00:20:49.479 Uttam Kumaran: just pure platform work. And then, of course, I get you even like, double that. So that’s like, that’s what’s going on in my head is
248 00:20:50.880 ⇒ 00:20:55.679 Uttam Kumaran: we’re just like break. We’re basically breaking even until like this real stuff comes in.
249 00:20:55.680 ⇒ 00:20:56.010 Patrick Trainer: Right.
250 00:20:56.010 ⇒ 00:20:57.270 Uttam Kumaran: Everything, so.
251 00:20:57.490 ⇒ 00:20:58.190 Patrick Trainer: Right.
252 00:20:58.310 ⇒ 00:21:04.490 Patrick Trainer: And so it’s the way that I’m kind of like seeing it. It’s like, if
253 00:21:04.950 ⇒ 00:21:07.190 Patrick Trainer: that means like
254 00:21:07.620 ⇒ 00:21:13.409 Patrick Trainer: before, like or or months ago. We’re we’ve always been talking about like, yeah, we’re gonna make
255 00:21:13.700 ⇒ 00:21:22.260 Patrick Trainer: a bunch of money. We’re gonna sell this and like, get everybody up to like making some cash, and it’s like, and if
256 00:21:22.560 ⇒ 00:21:28.359 Patrick Trainer: how I see and why I like took this or partially, why I took this, too.
257 00:21:28.420 ⇒ 00:21:29.570 Patrick Trainer: was
258 00:21:30.220 ⇒ 00:21:31.970 Patrick Trainer: like, if that means
259 00:21:32.740 ⇒ 00:21:37.679 Patrick Trainer: prolonging that timeline for me like to be able
260 00:21:37.960 ⇒ 00:21:43.340 Patrick Trainer: like I see this like I’m floating myself, but also like
261 00:21:43.490 ⇒ 00:21:50.430 Patrick Trainer: floating myself in regards to Brainforge, too. So it’s like I’m not.
262 00:21:51.850 ⇒ 00:21:53.860 Patrick Trainer: I don’t know. Breaking the bank there.
263 00:21:53.860 ⇒ 00:22:06.930 Uttam Kumaran: No, no, it makes sense. And I know I’ve been. Yeah. I know it’s been like, basically like, not out a lot of money at all. So that’s not lost to me. It’s just yeah. It’s tough. I’m trying. But it makes sense.
264 00:22:06.930 ⇒ 00:22:07.600 Patrick Trainer: No, no, it’s.
265 00:22:07.600 ⇒ 00:22:07.880 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah.
266 00:22:07.880 ⇒ 00:22:10.489 Patrick Trainer: Like I I totally like
267 00:22:11.580 ⇒ 00:22:14.129 Patrick Trainer: it’s there’s no, I don’t have any like
268 00:22:14.490 ⇒ 00:22:18.570 Patrick Trainer: harbored feelings, or like I’m not like pissed or.
269 00:22:18.570 ⇒ 00:22:18.880 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah.
270 00:22:19.486 ⇒ 00:22:21.910 Patrick Trainer: Anything like that, and
271 00:22:23.130 ⇒ 00:22:29.467 Patrick Trainer: do want to like stress, too, that, like, I knew this was gonna be a really like tough
272 00:22:29.910 ⇒ 00:22:35.479 Patrick Trainer: conversation, or it’s really not that tough of a conversation, but like what I was
273 00:22:36.110 ⇒ 00:22:38.570 Patrick Trainer: like, I don’t want this to.
274 00:22:39.640 ⇒ 00:22:41.450 Patrick Trainer: I don’t know Sully any sort.
275 00:22:41.450 ⇒ 00:22:43.070 Uttam Kumaran: No, no, no, it’s not that.
276 00:22:43.070 ⇒ 00:22:44.419 Patrick Trainer: I mean, like I don’t.
277 00:22:44.420 ⇒ 00:22:44.859 Uttam Kumaran: What’s like.
278 00:22:44.860 ⇒ 00:22:47.339 Patrick Trainer: Think that I’m like screwing you over.
279 00:22:47.340 ⇒ 00:22:48.169 Uttam Kumaran: None or anything.
280 00:22:48.170 ⇒ 00:22:52.150 Patrick Trainer: Like that. Because like. And that’s why I preface this of like, I’m
281 00:22:52.310 ⇒ 00:22:53.780 Patrick Trainer: a hundred percent down
282 00:22:54.682 ⇒ 00:22:57.159 Patrick Trainer: with you. And like, I’d still
283 00:22:57.240 ⇒ 00:23:00.929 Patrick Trainer: hold to like my word that I’m in this for the long haul
284 00:23:01.030 ⇒ 00:23:04.670 Patrick Trainer: and it it’s just like in order for me to
285 00:23:05.030 ⇒ 00:23:08.789 Patrick Trainer: be able to do this for the long haul. I need to
286 00:23:08.820 ⇒ 00:23:10.010 Patrick Trainer: make some money.
287 00:23:10.160 ⇒ 00:23:10.490 Uttam Kumaran: For sure.
288 00:23:10.490 ⇒ 00:23:13.729 Patrick Trainer: And so, and if, like, that’s
289 00:23:13.890 ⇒ 00:23:18.359 Patrick Trainer: going to take longer for Brainforge to be able to
290 00:23:19.260 ⇒ 00:23:24.499 Patrick Trainer: like, materialize that way, then it’s like I had to
291 00:23:24.710 ⇒ 00:23:25.590 Patrick Trainer: do it tomorrow.
292 00:23:25.590 ⇒ 00:23:39.399 Uttam Kumaran: That’s fine. That’s fine. That makes a lot of sense. No, no, I’m more like, I mean, I think you see how hard I’m working. And like, I’m getting people to do stuff and just taking. It’s just taking time. And we’re getting
293 00:23:39.580 ⇒ 00:23:47.879 Uttam Kumaran: we’re getting wins like today doing the stuff with real is like a huge win. But you know that needs to happen much more often. And
294 00:23:49.210 ⇒ 00:23:52.940 Uttam Kumaran: if I yeah, if I had to guess, it would probably be 6 months
295 00:23:53.310 ⇒ 00:24:00.129 Uttam Kumaran: but I wanna I guess I would love to know from you like in what capacity you still want to be involved
296 00:24:00.250 ⇒ 00:24:02.069 Uttam Kumaran: between now and then?
297 00:24:02.426 ⇒ 00:24:05.689 Uttam Kumaran: And also for me, it is like, How do like?
298 00:24:05.800 ⇒ 00:24:08.000 Uttam Kumaran: How do I continue to
299 00:24:08.493 ⇒ 00:24:17.763 Uttam Kumaran: work towards a goal on the salary side for you that like makes it something that you’re like. Okay, I I want to dedicate my time here.
300 00:24:18.790 ⇒ 00:24:19.460 Patrick Trainer: Right.
301 00:24:19.460 ⇒ 00:24:21.229 Uttam Kumaran: And yeah. And
302 00:24:21.590 ⇒ 00:24:23.700 Uttam Kumaran: and then you know for me, that would
303 00:24:23.820 ⇒ 00:24:28.869 Uttam Kumaran: that one, you know. Again, I want to work towards that a hundred percent. And the second.
304 00:24:28.960 ⇒ 00:24:32.730 Uttam Kumaran: you know, I don’t wanna make sure that the team is like supported with
305 00:24:33.480 ⇒ 00:24:36.700 Uttam Kumaran: you know the right people. So yeah.
306 00:24:36.700 ⇒ 00:24:37.350 Patrick Trainer: Right.
307 00:24:41.810 ⇒ 00:24:43.449 Patrick Trainer: I blanked on the 1st question.
308 00:24:43.450 ⇒ 00:24:47.059 Uttam Kumaran: The question was more about like, where you want to be involved.
309 00:24:47.850 ⇒ 00:24:49.320 Patrick Trainer: It’s I mean.
310 00:24:49.730 ⇒ 00:24:52.450 Uttam Kumaran: Or in what you’re even in what capacity or
311 00:24:52.600 ⇒ 00:24:53.610 Uttam Kumaran: like
312 00:24:53.650 ⇒ 00:25:00.599 Uttam Kumaran: time. Because even the stuff for real, for example, like, I don’t care if you’re doing it whenever
313 00:25:01.058 ⇒ 00:25:04.120 Uttam Kumaran: and I don’t think it’s actually gonna be that much work.
314 00:25:04.150 ⇒ 00:25:05.989 Uttam Kumaran: But we can try to.
315 00:25:06.360 ⇒ 00:25:11.360 Uttam Kumaran: I would love to keep your help for like interviewing and stuff for sure.
316 00:25:11.470 ⇒ 00:25:17.180 Patrick Trainer: Yeah, yeah, yeah, no, absolutely like I’m I’m not here saying that like.
317 00:25:17.700 ⇒ 00:25:27.389 Patrick Trainer: Oh, I need to like, stop working with like, I think it’s just my schedule is just changing a bit like we’re still
318 00:25:28.460 ⇒ 00:25:35.079 Patrick Trainer: like, it’s flexible. It’s like everything’s remote in. Just like
319 00:25:37.160 ⇒ 00:25:38.360 Patrick Trainer: if.
320 00:25:39.760 ⇒ 00:25:45.840 Patrick Trainer: like basically the way that I’m seeing it is like, I’m just gonna just continue to bust ass, you know.
321 00:25:45.840 ⇒ 00:25:46.460 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah.
322 00:25:47.750 ⇒ 00:25:49.516 Uttam Kumaran: okay, cool. So then let’s
323 00:25:50.280 ⇒ 00:26:00.149 Uttam Kumaran: Let let’s just keep chatting as you figure out your schedule and stuff. And look, I’m I’m it’s not it’s absolutely no like hard feelings for me. For me. I’m just like
324 00:26:00.360 ⇒ 00:26:05.050 Uttam Kumaran: I’m I just wanna win. And I just wanna make this a reality.
325 00:26:05.050 ⇒ 00:26:05.560 Patrick Trainer: Right.
326 00:26:05.560 ⇒ 00:26:09.779 Uttam Kumaran: And it’s happening at a pace
327 00:26:09.940 ⇒ 00:26:15.269 Uttam Kumaran: that I’ve really tried to control. But it’s it’s very. It’s like the hardest thing I’ve ever done
328 00:26:15.677 ⇒ 00:26:36.629 Uttam Kumaran: so I’ll get there like I’m really confident we’ll get there in the meantime. Yeah, no, I I’m doing my best to try to gain support from folks like you, and then, of course, like, get a bunch more great people, and I know we’re still a little bit far away from that. So let’s keep going, and yes, however much time you have.
329 00:26:36.680 ⇒ 00:26:41.269 Uttam Kumaran: let’s do that like I still want to pay you and keep that going.
330 00:26:42.210 ⇒ 00:26:42.490 Patrick Trainer: Right.
331 00:26:42.490 ⇒ 00:26:51.040 Uttam Kumaran: That way, you’re supplemented, and you know it’s not. It’s not lost to me when you said like, Hey, you know, you had to dip into savings and stuff like that is like, Look I
332 00:26:51.400 ⇒ 00:27:05.880 Uttam Kumaran: I I’ve basically I’m done the same thing across everything. And and and I’m not. I never asked for anybody else to to need to do that. So I really, really, really appreciate that. And
333 00:27:06.080 ⇒ 00:27:12.337 Uttam Kumaran: it’s like the support from like the team that really really helps me. And we’re doing a lot of amazing work. So it’s
334 00:27:13.070 ⇒ 00:27:16.899 Uttam Kumaran: I just if we’re on the precipice. But
335 00:27:17.140 ⇒ 00:27:22.439 Uttam Kumaran: it’s this is like, this is the game. So let’s make it happen. I mean, I’m still really committed. And
336 00:27:22.560 ⇒ 00:27:27.217 Uttam Kumaran: look, I think. Go go like cash the check for sure. And and let’s
337 00:27:27.790 ⇒ 00:27:34.109 Uttam Kumaran: I think I think we’ll get to a point where you’ll see that there is enough momentum here, and then we can make the switch back like that’s fine.
338 00:27:34.110 ⇒ 00:27:35.566 Patrick Trainer: Oh, yeah, not like
339 00:27:36.910 ⇒ 00:27:39.575 Patrick Trainer: exactly how I’m thinking, too cool.
340 00:27:40.740 ⇒ 00:27:45.650 Patrick Trainer: yeah, I just I mean, just want to be, I mean upfront and
341 00:27:47.130 ⇒ 00:27:52.449 Patrick Trainer: all that, and just I mean, for just transparency sake, you know, like I don’t wanna
342 00:27:53.030 ⇒ 00:27:54.470 Patrick Trainer: bullshit you or anything.
343 00:27:54.470 ⇒ 00:28:00.709 Uttam Kumaran: No, no, and that makes again like it. It’s it’s totally fine, and I think it’s worth.
344 00:28:00.750 ⇒ 00:28:05.230 Uttam Kumaran: I think we’re lucky to be in a job to be able to even do that where you can kind of hold
345 00:28:05.440 ⇒ 00:28:08.187 Uttam Kumaran: both down. And I also think that
346 00:28:08.970 ⇒ 00:28:12.730 Uttam Kumaran: look, I think this the team still wants to. I think I still wanna
347 00:28:12.890 ⇒ 00:28:22.849 Uttam Kumaran: completely put the company’s backing behind the work that you’re doing and the stuff we have planned, the stuff with the interns and stuff. Look I I honestly don’t like
348 00:28:23.120 ⇒ 00:28:24.840 Uttam Kumaran: care a whole lot.
349 00:28:25.280 ⇒ 00:28:28.450 Uttam Kumaran: I meaning like, I want to give them
350 00:28:28.750 ⇒ 00:28:33.170 Uttam Kumaran: like work and stuff. But they’re not very proactive. And
351 00:28:33.220 ⇒ 00:28:38.669 Uttam Kumaran: frankly, it’s like it’s just like at the bottom of a laundry list of things I’m worrying about. So.
352 00:28:38.670 ⇒ 00:28:40.040 Patrick Trainer: Yeah, exactly.
353 00:28:40.040 ⇒ 00:28:41.650 Uttam Kumaran: I would say, let’s just like
354 00:28:42.290 ⇒ 00:28:50.050 Uttam Kumaran: I’m not, too. I’m not too worried about that. If they’re they’re they’re able to toss a couple of things their way, and they’re able to work on it. Async. Then that’s the way we’ll do that.
355 00:28:50.525 ⇒ 00:29:00.819 Uttam Kumaran: I think if if you’re okay to to like sign on to to take this initial real stuff that would be great. And then, as we
356 00:29:01.170 ⇒ 00:29:07.087 Uttam Kumaran: I will, I’ll just make sure not to throw anything else that’s like to
357 00:29:08.320 ⇒ 00:29:12.000 Uttam Kumaran: demanding or like, we can’t do like Async, basically.
358 00:29:12.000 ⇒ 00:29:12.810 Patrick Trainer: Right.
359 00:29:12.810 ⇒ 00:29:15.239 Uttam Kumaran: And then everything else like stays the same. But
360 00:29:15.510 ⇒ 00:29:16.160 Patrick Trainer: Right.
361 00:29:17.010 ⇒ 00:29:17.870 Uttam Kumaran: Oh, yeah. Okay.
362 00:29:18.410 ⇒ 00:29:19.540 Patrick Trainer: Right, yeah.
363 00:29:22.090 ⇒ 00:29:22.740 Uttam Kumaran: Okay.
364 00:29:22.940 ⇒ 00:29:26.663 Uttam Kumaran: cool dude. I appreciate it. Thanks for thanks for letting me know. And
365 00:29:26.950 ⇒ 00:29:27.490 Patrick Trainer: Oh, yeah.
366 00:29:27.490 ⇒ 00:29:29.280 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, we’re working towards it. So.
367 00:29:29.560 ⇒ 00:29:34.570 Patrick Trainer: No, I I know that. And I mean it’s I mean, my whole goal here is just to
368 00:29:35.530 ⇒ 00:29:38.750 Patrick Trainer: again give like reassurance that.
369 00:29:39.880 ⇒ 00:29:45.386 Patrick Trainer: like I’m I’m with it, and like, I think we work well together. And
370 00:29:45.780 ⇒ 00:29:53.500 Uttam Kumaran: And I just don’t think these things are so clean like these stories like meaning like these like journeys of these companies. So.
371 00:29:53.500 ⇒ 00:29:53.930 Patrick Trainer: Right.
372 00:29:53.930 ⇒ 00:29:58.491 Uttam Kumaran: Look. I think this is just part of the story, and I think it’ll work out at the end. And
373 00:30:00.260 ⇒ 00:30:03.579 Uttam Kumaran: I hope. Yeah, next time. Like I I just think like.
374 00:30:03.600 ⇒ 00:30:04.850 Uttam Kumaran: I don’t know. We’re
375 00:30:05.120 ⇒ 00:30:08.062 Uttam Kumaran: things are going in the right direction. And
376 00:30:08.810 ⇒ 00:30:13.899 Uttam Kumaran: I think this is just like part of the journey, so like it is what it is.
377 00:30:14.320 ⇒ 00:30:14.950 Patrick Trainer: Right.
378 00:30:15.660 ⇒ 00:30:17.429 Patrick Trainer: But yeah, it’s
379 00:30:17.560 ⇒ 00:30:25.960 Patrick Trainer: it’s funny. I. So I actually had 2 offers, and I and they I. They were offered at the same time.
380 00:30:26.530 ⇒ 00:30:32.110 Patrick Trainer: and I highly con or like, contemplated accepting them both.
381 00:30:33.140 ⇒ 00:30:36.710 Patrick Trainer: and just like speeding up the process.
382 00:30:37.320 ⇒ 00:30:38.411 Uttam Kumaran: Dude. You could do it.
383 00:30:39.010 ⇒ 00:30:46.699 Patrick Trainer: I, it’s with this like remote world, like I I definitely think it it. It might be possible.
384 00:30:47.150 ⇒ 00:30:53.839 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, I mean, I I just think some stuff in our the people like this is where I do think Brand Forge is like a great opportunity, because
385 00:30:53.890 ⇒ 00:31:04.519 Uttam Kumaran: you could tell that there’s some enterprise or a lot heavier jobs, or it’s not like that much work. And like, I just wish the work came through us, and we could execute on it. But.
386 00:31:04.520 ⇒ 00:31:04.950 Patrick Trainer: Right.
387 00:31:06.720 ⇒ 00:31:12.750 Uttam Kumaran: yeah, look, I think it is a. It is a market for smart people. Right now, I think the market is really
388 00:31:12.770 ⇒ 00:31:18.852 Uttam Kumaran: anti junior, and people who have like the 0 experience. So it’s it makes a lot of sense.
389 00:31:20.820 ⇒ 00:31:21.720 Uttam Kumaran: yeah.
390 00:31:22.740 ⇒ 00:31:24.754 Patrick Trainer: Yeah. So I know this is
391 00:31:25.160 ⇒ 00:31:26.370 Patrick Trainer: like a
392 00:31:26.650 ⇒ 00:31:29.830 Patrick Trainer: I mean, you said you’re going to
393 00:31:29.950 ⇒ 00:31:31.649 Patrick Trainer: Alaska next week.
394 00:31:31.850 ⇒ 00:31:35.420 Uttam Kumaran: That. Yeah, it’s fine. It’s it’s it’s never a good time to.
395 00:31:35.650 ⇒ 00:31:36.460 Patrick Trainer: It’s okay. Tom.
396 00:31:36.460 ⇒ 00:31:38.579 Uttam Kumaran: I’m off. So I don’t. It’s okay. I.
397 00:31:38.580 ⇒ 00:31:39.210 Patrick Trainer: Right.
398 00:31:39.410 ⇒ 00:31:46.389 Uttam Kumaran: Look the biggest thing I think if you were to help me with one thing is just make sure the real thing
399 00:31:46.460 ⇒ 00:31:49.718 Uttam Kumaran: goes well, and whatever you can do for that
400 00:31:50.330 ⇒ 00:31:52.839 Uttam Kumaran: I’ll I’m gonna brief. Ryan, too, but
401 00:31:52.900 ⇒ 00:32:03.419 Uttam Kumaran: nailing, nailing the thing with them, could unlock like a ton of steady business for us. And it’s something we’ve been working on for a while. So whatever you can do to help there and then.
402 00:32:03.580 ⇒ 00:32:15.009 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, I think we’ll you’ll interview people, and you’ll build a team anyway. So as soon as we have what what you need to come back like we’ll do that. That’ll that’s the 1st thing on the list. So.
403 00:32:15.010 ⇒ 00:32:15.700 Patrick Trainer: Right.
404 00:32:16.080 ⇒ 00:32:16.680 Patrick Trainer: Right.
405 00:32:16.680 ⇒ 00:32:17.390 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah.
406 00:32:21.460 ⇒ 00:32:33.400 Uttam Kumaran: And we’ll we’ll figure out the schedule as you figure stuff out. I know it’s not like abrupt or anything. So as you kind of figure out like how much you’re working and stuff like that. Let’s just we’ll just keep chatting in slack, and
407 00:32:33.410 ⇒ 00:32:36.669 Uttam Kumaran: I mean we’ll keep. We’ll keep all, all the schedule, and then you can just let me know.
408 00:32:36.850 ⇒ 00:32:41.699 Patrick Trainer: Yeah, yeah, it’s I mean, really, like, the way I feel now is like.
409 00:32:41.980 ⇒ 00:32:43.889 Patrick Trainer: like, nothing’s gonna change.
410 00:32:43.890 ⇒ 00:32:44.430 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah.
411 00:32:44.430 ⇒ 00:32:44.820 Patrick Trainer: Like.
412 00:32:44.820 ⇒ 00:32:50.869 Uttam Kumaran: I I think it’s, I think if it’s probably just a little bit of time, and probably just a little bit of your energy.
413 00:32:51.020 ⇒ 00:32:54.880 Uttam Kumaran: But I think that’s also fine. And then I also think you get to see more stuff about
414 00:32:55.470 ⇒ 00:32:59.569 Uttam Kumaran: like how d work is getting done and anything we want to change.
415 00:33:00.575 ⇒ 00:33:01.440 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah.
416 00:33:01.480 ⇒ 00:33:04.239 Uttam Kumaran: So yeah, I don’t. I don’t consider it anything
417 00:33:04.710 ⇒ 00:33:09.239 Uttam Kumaran: like anything, Major, until until you tell me otherwise. So.
418 00:33:09.240 ⇒ 00:33:10.490 Patrick Trainer: Right? Right?
419 00:33:11.170 ⇒ 00:33:12.250 Patrick Trainer: Yeah, it’s.
420 00:33:12.330 ⇒ 00:33:13.740 Patrick Trainer: I’d say, like.
421 00:33:13.790 ⇒ 00:33:15.620 Patrick Trainer: with all of the
422 00:33:17.600 ⇒ 00:33:21.110 Patrick Trainer: the like high. I think I was like
423 00:33:21.300 ⇒ 00:33:26.429 Patrick Trainer: with the with the election cycle, and all of that like, I think I
424 00:33:26.850 ⇒ 00:33:29.969 Patrick Trainer: condition myself in working so much
425 00:33:30.040 ⇒ 00:33:33.829 Patrick Trainer: that anything under like a hundred, 20 HA week
426 00:33:34.830 ⇒ 00:33:37.950 Patrick Trainer: feel it feels like not like a week.
427 00:33:37.950 ⇒ 00:33:38.710 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, yeah.
428 00:33:39.258 ⇒ 00:33:44.739 Patrick Trainer: And so like, I think I’ve yeah, I’m just conditioned.
429 00:33:44.930 ⇒ 00:33:45.890 Patrick Trainer: So
430 00:33:46.350 ⇒ 00:33:48.049 Patrick Trainer: so it’s like, I’m not.
431 00:33:48.870 ⇒ 00:33:50.550 Patrick Trainer: I’m not stressing about it
432 00:33:50.720 ⇒ 00:33:53.879 Patrick Trainer: cool. I just need to put some bacon on the table.
433 00:33:53.880 ⇒ 00:33:56.240 Uttam Kumaran: No, yeah. Put some money away. And then
434 00:33:56.330 ⇒ 00:33:57.845 Uttam Kumaran: let’s see, I
435 00:33:59.000 ⇒ 00:34:01.780 Uttam Kumaran: I really think we just need a couple of like
436 00:34:01.900 ⇒ 00:34:03.799 Uttam Kumaran: quick breaks that were that we’re.
437 00:34:03.800 ⇒ 00:34:04.870 Patrick Trainer: Figuring out.
438 00:34:05.122 ⇒ 00:34:10.669 Uttam Kumaran: But the real stuff is huge. We have a couple of great clients work on. Now the sales stuff is pushing. So
439 00:34:11.510 ⇒ 00:34:15.490 Uttam Kumaran: it’s happening. We’ll see. Yeah, yeah.
440 00:34:16.150 ⇒ 00:34:16.819 Patrick Trainer: But
441 00:34:17.730 ⇒ 00:34:20.930 Patrick Trainer: I guess on the other side it’s a
442 00:34:22.380 ⇒ 00:34:26.190 Patrick Trainer: taking like the the awkwardness out of the
443 00:34:26.239 ⇒ 00:34:30.780 Patrick Trainer: saying. I got a job there. Another role.
444 00:34:31.420 ⇒ 00:34:36.107 Patrick Trainer: There is the good part of it, too, like I’m also excited about it. It’s
445 00:34:36.449 ⇒ 00:34:38.519 Patrick Trainer: You heard of a company called Big Cartel.
446 00:34:38.969 ⇒ 00:34:40.389 Uttam Kumaran: Yes, I have.
447 00:34:40.389 ⇒ 00:34:41.849 Patrick Trainer: Yeah. It’s with them. I gotta.
448 00:34:41.850 ⇒ 00:34:42.630 Uttam Kumaran: Oh, nice!
449 00:34:42.639 ⇒ 00:34:45.759 Patrick Trainer: I got a staff data engineer position.
450 00:34:46.819 ⇒ 00:34:48.079 Patrick Trainer: And
451 00:34:48.329 ⇒ 00:34:50.392 Patrick Trainer: yeah, yeah, so
452 00:34:51.689 ⇒ 00:34:52.949 Patrick Trainer: they sent me
453 00:34:53.369 ⇒ 00:34:54.939 Patrick Trainer: on a new laptop.
454 00:34:55.600 ⇒ 00:34:57.180 Patrick Trainer: Finally, on apple silicon.
455 00:34:57.180 ⇒ 00:34:58.430 Uttam Kumaran: Nice.
456 00:34:58.430 ⇒ 00:35:01.038 Patrick Trainer: The shit’s crazy. It’s fast.
457 00:35:02.406 ⇒ 00:35:07.160 Patrick Trainer: Yeah, it’s upgrading from an intel or yeah, the 2020 intel
458 00:35:07.290 ⇒ 00:35:11.070 Patrick Trainer: to but this is the M. 3 Max.
459 00:35:11.070 ⇒ 00:35:11.820 Uttam Kumaran: Sick.
460 00:35:12.360 ⇒ 00:35:14.210 Patrick Trainer: It’s fucking wild.
461 00:35:14.370 ⇒ 00:35:15.175 Patrick Trainer: But
462 00:35:18.090 ⇒ 00:35:21.479 Patrick Trainer: yeah, mainly. My, my thing here was just like
463 00:35:21.650 ⇒ 00:35:23.760 Patrick Trainer: preserving our relationship.
464 00:35:23.760 ⇒ 00:35:38.310 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, no, we’re fine. I mean, look, I think, like, whatever you can continue to do here, like I I it would be amazing. And then, like, I’m I’m working towards bringing you on full time with the team. So that’s what my goal is.
465 00:35:38.500 ⇒ 00:35:39.180 Patrick Trainer: Sweet?
466 00:35:39.680 ⇒ 00:35:40.789 Patrick Trainer: The fuck. Yeah.
467 00:35:44.130 ⇒ 00:35:45.490 Patrick Trainer: yeah. Anything else?
468 00:35:45.700 ⇒ 00:35:51.329 Uttam Kumaran: I think that’s it. I’ll probably send a couple of things in slack later today.
469 00:35:52.900 ⇒ 00:35:58.849 Uttam Kumaran: and then, yeah, just as you figure out schedule and stuff. Let me know if you’re or if you’re able to block off your calendar.
470 00:35:59.356 ⇒ 00:36:00.839 Uttam Kumaran: feel free to do that.
471 00:36:00.840 ⇒ 00:36:01.520 Patrick Trainer: Yeah.
472 00:36:01.520 ⇒ 00:36:07.659 Uttam Kumaran: I mean, it’s it’s nice, because we have a couple of other people that are working part time like doing other stuff. So it’s not too out of the ordinary.
473 00:36:08.100 ⇒ 00:36:08.750 Patrick Trainer: Right.
474 00:36:09.170 ⇒ 00:36:17.530 Uttam Kumaran: And then, yeah, let’s, I think, after we’ll calibrate after this month and kind of get a sense of like how it’s going. And then that’s it. Like again.
475 00:36:17.830 ⇒ 00:36:22.927 Uttam Kumaran: nothing on, I think, for the stuff we’re working on. Nothing much changes.
476 00:36:23.710 ⇒ 00:36:26.409 Uttam Kumaran: so we’ll just keep pushing. Yeah, yeah.
477 00:36:26.410 ⇒ 00:36:27.710 Patrick Trainer: I’m right there with you.
478 00:36:28.660 ⇒ 00:36:31.049 Uttam Kumaran: Okay, dude. Alright. Thanks for letting me know.
479 00:36:31.050 ⇒ 00:36:32.400 Patrick Trainer: Cool. Yeah, of course.
480 00:36:33.140 ⇒ 00:36:35.390 Uttam Kumaran: Alright, man, I’ll talk to you tomorrow later.