Meeting Title: Uttam <> Miguel-Weekly Date: 2024-10-03 Meeting participants: Joshuadeveyra, Uttam Kumaran
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1 00:06:32.070 ⇒ 00:06:32.539 Uttam Kumaran: Amen!
2 00:06:37.300 ⇒ 00:06:38.100 joshuadeveyra: Hey! Utam!
3 00:06:38.570 ⇒ 00:06:40.270 Uttam Kumaran: Hey? Just cooking lunch
4 00:06:40.400 ⇒ 00:06:41.409 Uttam Kumaran: here in the background.
5 00:06:41.410 ⇒ 00:06:42.270 joshuadeveyra: Sure, sure!
6 00:06:43.370 ⇒ 00:06:45.960 joshuadeveyra: What time is it on your end? Let me check.
7 00:06:46.190 ⇒ 00:06:47.210 Uttam Kumaran: One o’clock.
8 00:06:47.470 ⇒ 00:06:48.659 joshuadeveyra: Oh, okay, okay.
9 00:06:52.180 ⇒ 00:06:54.440 joshuadeveyra: Florida was a bit devastated now.
10 00:06:55.870 ⇒ 00:07:00.233 Uttam Kumaran: Oh, dude North Carolina, Florida! Yeah, Florida is always devastated.
11 00:07:00.960 ⇒ 00:07:03.969 Uttam Kumaran: North Carolina is brutal right now.
12 00:07:04.360 ⇒ 00:07:08.560 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, I don’t know, man, it’s horrible. I mean you guys are used to it there. But
13 00:07:10.290 ⇒ 00:07:12.289 Uttam Kumaran: people here are not used to that.
14 00:07:14.730 ⇒ 00:07:16.744 joshuadeveyra: Does it? Does it also, like,
15 00:07:17.290 ⇒ 00:07:19.890 joshuadeveyra: you know, happen in Pakis a lot or not.
16 00:07:19.890 ⇒ 00:07:23.300 Uttam Kumaran: No, no, Texas. Just the Gulf, maybe, but nothing here.
17 00:07:23.780 ⇒ 00:07:25.407 joshuadeveyra: Oh, that’s good!
18 00:07:31.450 ⇒ 00:07:32.439 Uttam Kumaran: About the week.
19 00:07:33.630 ⇒ 00:07:34.470 joshuadeveyra: Sorry, what.
20 00:07:35.370 ⇒ 00:07:36.380 Uttam Kumaran: Tell me about the week.
21 00:07:37.239 ⇒ 00:07:42.630 joshuadeveyra: Yeah. So we got the rag thing down, and I think it’s super super strong.
22 00:07:44.425 ⇒ 00:07:47.439 joshuadeveyra: I’m not sure if you have the time. To what do you call this.
23 00:07:47.440 ⇒ 00:07:50.267 Uttam Kumaran: I have not. But that’s my to do list today.
24 00:07:50.990 ⇒ 00:07:54.070 Uttam Kumaran: Dude you don’t. My schedule is fucked.
25 00:07:55.540 ⇒ 00:08:03.360 Uttam Kumaran: But I’m I’m I’m getting there. Okay. As I get to after Wednesday. I pretty much catch up on everything that I like dropped the ball on
26 00:08:03.520 ⇒ 00:08:05.220 Uttam Kumaran: the time that they gave us.
27 00:08:05.990 ⇒ 00:08:12.930 joshuadeveyra: Yeah, so like, it’s super strong, right? That one basically we got. You know what we want down where?
28 00:08:14.110 ⇒ 00:08:15.279 joshuadeveyra: What do you call this
29 00:08:16.645 ⇒ 00:08:17.730 joshuadeveyra: where
30 00:08:18.360 ⇒ 00:08:26.179 joshuadeveyra: you could just put like a document in Google, drive it. It automatically combines that into it, compiles that and then turns it into
31 00:08:27.050 ⇒ 00:08:29.860 joshuadeveyra: a rag, a rag database. Basically.
32 00:08:30.050 ⇒ 00:08:34.400 joshuadeveyra: So it is working. I tested with Hpi, because that’s like the
33 00:08:34.640 ⇒ 00:08:40.419 joshuadeveyra: you know, the client that we have the most data on like I put over, I think, a hundred pages of data, and it
34 00:08:40.429 ⇒ 00:08:43.169 joshuadeveyra: so far from my tests, it looks accurate.
35 00:08:43.179 ⇒ 00:08:48.279 Uttam Kumaran: So how does it actually do? Does it is it scraping it? Or what is it like?
36 00:08:48.649 ⇒ 00:08:50.619 Uttam Kumaran: How does it actually do the embedding.
37 00:08:51.800 ⇒ 00:08:53.399 joshuadeveyra: So into it! Let me.
38 00:08:53.600 ⇒ 00:08:57.430 Uttam Kumaran: Some of the documents are not straightforward. The Pdfs right.
39 00:08:57.990 ⇒ 00:09:03.219 joshuadeveyra: Yep, yep, it can. Yeah, I think that’s the limitation, though it can only do texts.
40 00:09:03.360 ⇒ 00:09:04.610 joshuadeveyra: Basically.
41 00:09:05.170 ⇒ 00:09:07.469 joshuadeveyra: wait, let me pull it up.
42 00:09:13.150 ⇒ 00:09:21.299 joshuadeveyra: Yeah. So basically the way it goes is it extracts all the text from it, and then super base does its thing.
43 00:09:21.500 ⇒ 00:09:28.279 joshuadeveyra: And there with open AI embeddings. Of course, I think we’re using the text. So I I forgot. What model is it with? Let me double check.
44 00:09:28.280 ⇒ 00:09:28.980 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah.
45 00:09:29.730 ⇒ 00:09:31.270 joshuadeveyra: And a text embedding tree.
46 00:09:32.450 ⇒ 00:09:33.160 Uttam Kumaran: Okay.
47 00:09:33.410 ⇒ 00:09:37.460 joshuadeveyra: And then basically, that’s it. It’s, you know, it’s basically we.
48 00:09:37.460 ⇒ 00:09:44.920 Uttam Kumaran: I guess when when you said super base does a thing that’s what I’m asking about is like, is it scraping? Is it like extracting like.
49 00:09:44.970 ⇒ 00:09:47.400 Uttam Kumaran: And how like, how does that actually work.
50 00:09:48.143 ⇒ 00:09:50.890 joshuadeveyra: There’s a step in N. 8 n, where
51 00:09:51.250 ⇒ 00:09:57.549 joshuadeveyra: it extracts the text from the documents, and then it just passes it into what do you call this the super base?
52 00:09:57.650 ⇒ 00:10:01.099 joshuadeveyra: And then super base calls the text embedding
53 00:10:01.810 ⇒ 00:10:04.929 joshuadeveyra: model from Openai, and then it does that.
54 00:10:06.580 ⇒ 00:10:11.503 Uttam Kumaran: But we don’t know exactly like if it’s just going through and scraping the Pdf. Or doing Ocr. Or whatever.
55 00:10:11.750 ⇒ 00:10:14.829 joshuadeveyra: It’s it’s scraping it, basically getting all the text from it.
56 00:10:15.310 ⇒ 00:10:16.210 Uttam Kumaran: Okay. Okay.
57 00:10:18.100 ⇒ 00:10:21.170 joshuadeveyra: And then it creates like a shutdown of stables.
58 00:10:21.570 ⇒ 00:10:23.520 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, it creates a vector source. Yeah.
59 00:10:27.180 ⇒ 00:10:28.490 joshuadeveyra: So right now we have.
60 00:10:28.490 ⇒ 00:10:31.319 Uttam Kumaran: That’s like all free like. None of that costs any money.
61 00:10:31.560 ⇒ 00:10:32.799 joshuadeveyra: No, no, not yet.
62 00:10:33.000 ⇒ 00:10:33.600 Uttam Kumaran: Okay.
63 00:10:34.940 ⇒ 00:10:41.640 Uttam Kumaran: okay, cool. So then, so then let’s we’re gonna then like, I just, I don’t know. So then what do you think about you like.
64 00:10:42.210 ⇒ 00:10:57.320 Uttam Kumaran: Eve. So here’s it. So let me tell you a little bit about the feedback from the meeting one. The feedback was really good, that one thing that we’re gonna do is we’re actually gonna produce the front facing part of the application is actually, it’s gonna be more of a scorecard.
65 00:10:57.800 ⇒ 00:10:59.009 Uttam Kumaran: So the user.
66 00:10:59.180 ⇒ 00:11:00.470 Uttam Kumaran: Like, for example.
67 00:11:00.570 ⇒ 00:11:04.619 Uttam Kumaran: let’s say, you load in like, here’s our original lease. Here’s the comments we got back.
68 00:11:04.970 ⇒ 00:11:14.800 Uttam Kumaran: The the 1st thing the user is going to see is like a scorecard which is like, here are the 5 clauses. Here’s a summary of the changes they requested. And here is what they
69 00:11:14.830 ⇒ 00:11:16.479 Uttam Kumaran: basically our recommendation.
70 00:11:16.660 ⇒ 00:11:19.869 Uttam Kumaran: I’m still. I’m gonna kind of draft out what that needs to look like for you.
71 00:11:20.240 ⇒ 00:11:21.210 joshuadeveyra: Okay. Yeah. Sure.
72 00:11:21.210 ⇒ 00:11:25.988 Uttam Kumaran: Think of it as like it’s going to be some sort of summary markdown document, or HTML, or something.
73 00:11:26.370 ⇒ 00:11:30.779 Uttam Kumaran: and then the user will be able to look into each of the different suggested changes.
74 00:11:30.820 ⇒ 00:11:35.750 Uttam Kumaran: Right to find out. Like, okay, why did? Why did we recommend this like?
75 00:11:35.930 ⇒ 00:11:44.470 Uttam Kumaran: It’s just out of scope in scope things like that. So but that’s why, like, I don’t know. I think they’re gonna want to use some shop, but that doesn’t necessarily need to be relevant
76 00:11:44.680 ⇒ 00:11:49.950 Uttam Kumaran: like. I wonder if we should, we could try to do this all within Nan, or do you like? I don’t know.
77 00:11:49.950 ⇒ 00:11:50.420 joshuadeveyra: Interesting.
78 00:11:50.420 ⇒ 00:11:51.590 Uttam Kumaran: Like what you think there, because.
79 00:11:51.590 ⇒ 00:11:53.020 joshuadeveyra: It’s not gonna be any. Then.
80 00:11:53.550 ⇒ 00:11:54.360 Uttam Kumaran: Okay.
81 00:11:54.360 ⇒ 00:12:01.340 joshuadeveyra: Cause. It’s because N. 8 M. Doesn’t even have like something like they’re basically like make. They’re not like relevance.
82 00:12:01.610 ⇒ 00:12:02.789 joshuadeveyra: So there’s no Ui.
83 00:12:04.010 ⇒ 00:12:07.500 Uttam Kumaran: Okay, okay, okay. So so the ui is a big thing that’s lacking.
84 00:12:07.740 ⇒ 00:12:13.989 joshuadeveyra: Well, we kind of have to. I I would recommend right depending on the budget, but we should just do it in react. Now.
85 00:12:14.800 ⇒ 00:12:21.679 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, I mean, that’s exactly the thing. So I wanna find out, like, okay, cause the thing is, I don’t see why we need to do this in.
86 00:12:22.000 ⇒ 00:12:23.000 joshuadeveyra: Relevance.
87 00:12:23.370 ⇒ 00:12:30.340 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, because also, one is if they care about, they’re gonna I want us to explain to them the data security part of this.
88 00:12:30.430 ⇒ 00:12:35.900 Uttam Kumaran: And I don’t see why we need to send this like, I don’t see them. I mean, like the tough part about
89 00:12:36.471 ⇒ 00:12:43.279 Uttam Kumaran: when we start to actually talk about putting things things in production is that data security becomes more important like for us. Internally, I don’t care.
90 00:12:43.340 ⇒ 00:12:48.669 Uttam Kumaran: I maybe I should. But I just don’t care but for clients
91 00:12:48.720 ⇒ 00:12:51.249 Uttam Kumaran: we can run on any an open source.
92 00:12:51.400 ⇒ 00:12:55.189 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, it’s super easy, right and super base. I’m I’m fine with.
93 00:12:55.710 ⇒ 00:12:57.620 joshuadeveyra: Yeah. Yeah. Super. Base is good.
94 00:12:58.740 ⇒ 00:13:02.449 Uttam Kumaran: So that’s kind of what I’m thinking about. But that’s okay, for now.
95 00:13:04.460 ⇒ 00:13:07.799 joshuadeveyra: Do they seem like they’re sold already in the idea or not yet.
96 00:13:09.332 ⇒ 00:13:12.960 Uttam Kumaran: No. So we’re gonna plan a pitch to them. Probably next month.
97 00:13:13.550 ⇒ 00:13:14.739 joshuadeveyra: Oh, okay. Okay.
98 00:13:14.740 ⇒ 00:13:18.100 Uttam Kumaran: I mean not next month, this month later this month. So we have a few weeks still.
99 00:13:20.254 ⇒ 00:13:24.799 joshuadeveyra: So we should create like a sample demo, or just like a ui moving things around.
100 00:13:25.260 ⇒ 00:13:31.630 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, I’ll I’ll work on like kind of what I think it should look like, and then send it to you. Just need a little bit more time, but
101 00:13:32.560 ⇒ 00:13:34.270 Uttam Kumaran: I think we’re on the right path.
102 00:13:34.320 ⇒ 00:13:37.400 Uttam Kumaran: I think the other thing is so how fast do you think we can
103 00:13:37.600 ⇒ 00:13:41.540 Uttam Kumaran: like? What’s the process. For let’s say we, we have a new client starting.
104 00:13:42.000 ⇒ 00:13:44.029 Uttam Kumaran: We actually do have a new client starting
105 00:13:44.280 ⇒ 00:13:45.859 Uttam Kumaran: next week. Probably
106 00:13:46.060 ⇒ 00:13:49.280 Uttam Kumaran: I want to create. I want to create a new sales hub for them.
107 00:13:49.320 ⇒ 00:13:50.669 Uttam Kumaran: What’s the process.
108 00:13:52.008 ⇒ 00:13:57.679 joshuadeveyra: Well, the the process will be. We have to manually create the entire flow first, st
109 00:13:57.880 ⇒ 00:14:04.539 joshuadeveyra: and then create like a folder, connect that to. But once that’s set up, it’s gonna probably take around.
110 00:14:06.530 ⇒ 00:14:08.290 Uttam Kumaran: So it’s just creating the Google drive.
111 00:14:08.650 ⇒ 00:14:10.229 Uttam Kumaran: create a Google drive.
112 00:14:10.240 ⇒ 00:14:11.839 Uttam Kumaran: creating the super base.
113 00:14:12.230 ⇒ 00:14:13.250 Uttam Kumaran: And then.
114 00:14:13.250 ⇒ 00:14:13.790 joshuadeveyra: That’s it.
115 00:14:13.790 ⇒ 00:14:15.969 Uttam Kumaran: And they’re just creating a new n 8 n. Flow.
116 00:14:16.250 ⇒ 00:14:22.920 joshuadeveyra: Yep, yep, yep, we can. Actually, honestly, we don’t have to like. I can just duplicate everything. So it’s probably gonna take an hour.
117 00:14:23.300 ⇒ 00:14:24.050 Uttam Kumaran: That’s what I mean.
118 00:14:24.280 ⇒ 00:14:26.460 joshuadeveyra: It’s very how.
119 00:14:26.460 ⇒ 00:14:34.463 Uttam Kumaran: Probably what you could probably get to is at the end. At the like. We could probably end up even automating that part where it’s like cool.
120 00:14:35.374 ⇒ 00:14:48.020 Uttam Kumaran: you you create a new workflow. That just creates a new drive creates a new super base attached to that and creates a new, and then and then attaches all that together. Right like that’s it.
121 00:14:48.230 ⇒ 00:14:49.340 joshuadeveyra: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
122 00:14:51.490 ⇒ 00:14:52.280 Uttam Kumaran: Cool.
123 00:14:54.590 ⇒ 00:15:00.489 Uttam Kumaran: So the the 1st thing is I want to create. I want to create I want to create one for all of our existing clients.
124 00:15:00.900 ⇒ 00:15:04.210 Uttam Kumaran: So let me go ahead and create those drives and send it to you.
125 00:15:04.890 ⇒ 00:15:05.470 joshuadeveyra: Okay.
126 00:15:05.470 ⇒ 00:15:06.854 Uttam Kumaran: And then I wanna
127 00:15:07.690 ⇒ 00:15:12.749 Uttam Kumaran: And then we can talk about future clients for the actual sales. Hub. But that’s perfect.
128 00:15:12.750 ⇒ 00:15:18.489 joshuadeveyra: We might have to buy some stuff on N. 8, and though, cause it’s like maximum, 5 workflows.
129 00:15:18.580 ⇒ 00:15:19.790 joshuadeveyra: we have one.
130 00:15:20.630 ⇒ 00:15:22.229 Uttam Kumaran: Is any open source.
131 00:15:22.950 ⇒ 00:15:23.580 joshuadeveyra: Oh, okay.
132 00:15:23.580 ⇒ 00:15:24.630 Uttam Kumaran: Can we host it?
133 00:15:25.600 ⇒ 00:15:28.320 joshuadeveyra: I haven’t really checked it that much with.
134 00:15:28.320 ⇒ 00:15:30.629 Uttam Kumaran: That’s why I wanted to use it, because I heard it’s open source.
135 00:15:33.130 ⇒ 00:15:35.010 joshuadeveyra: Oh, yeah, I think.
136 00:15:39.230 ⇒ 00:15:42.910 joshuadeveyra: no, their licensing does not meet the common open source. Definition.
137 00:15:44.110 ⇒ 00:15:45.139 Uttam Kumaran: What does that mean?
138 00:15:45.660 ⇒ 00:15:48.769 joshuadeveyra: I just checked some reddit posts.
139 00:15:48.770 ⇒ 00:15:49.370 Uttam Kumaran: Oh!
140 00:15:49.370 ⇒ 00:15:49.990 joshuadeveyra: Tweak.
141 00:15:50.630 ⇒ 00:15:53.539 Uttam Kumaran: Wait, but check their website. I’m pretty sure we can self host it.
142 00:15:54.760 ⇒ 00:15:58.610 joshuadeveyra: Wait. Let me check anything. Oh, yeah, there is an option
143 00:15:58.750 ⇒ 00:15:59.550 joshuadeveyra: docker.
144 00:15:59.550 ⇒ 00:16:00.300 Uttam Kumaran: Okay.
145 00:16:01.240 ⇒ 00:16:03.699 joshuadeveyra: I’ll look into this. I can try this out.
146 00:16:04.840 ⇒ 00:16:06.409 Uttam Kumaran: Because I don’t want to pay them anything.
147 00:16:08.570 ⇒ 00:16:11.039 joshuadeveyra: Okay, yeah, yeah, we can try this out, I believe.
148 00:16:11.200 ⇒ 00:16:11.850 joshuadeveyra: But also.
149 00:16:11.850 ⇒ 00:16:14.020 Uttam Kumaran: We can just start with 5. We can, Max, that out.
150 00:16:14.160 ⇒ 00:16:15.050 joshuadeveyra: Yeah.
151 00:16:16.400 ⇒ 00:16:19.519 Uttam Kumaran: What are the limits on? What are the limits on super base.
152 00:16:23.047 ⇒ 00:16:28.110 joshuadeveyra: They have like a lot of credits for the free plan. So I don’t see anything yet.
153 00:16:29.408 ⇒ 00:16:35.180 joshuadeveyra: And honestly, I was gonna actually talk to your Patrick about it, because super Base is a lot of SQL.
154 00:16:37.740 ⇒ 00:16:40.160 Uttam Kumaran: Oh, yeah, I mean, that’s what we do. Dude.
155 00:16:40.460 ⇒ 00:16:42.840 joshuadeveyra: Yeah, yeah. So it’s like, good thing, right?
156 00:16:42.840 ⇒ 00:16:43.840 Uttam Kumaran: Talk to Ryan.
157 00:16:43.950 ⇒ 00:16:48.400 joshuadeveyra: And it, and any then like, provided like a SQL. Code to do everything.
158 00:16:48.570 ⇒ 00:16:50.209 joshuadeveyra: So it’s perfect.
159 00:16:50.570 ⇒ 00:16:58.949 joshuadeveyra: So if we want to improve it, obviously, you know, we can do. We can adjust some stuff around. But for this use case I just copied what was already there.
160 00:17:00.180 ⇒ 00:17:01.299 Uttam Kumaran: No, it seems perfect.
161 00:17:02.130 ⇒ 00:17:12.000 joshuadeveyra: Yep. So yeah, I can’t really, you know, measure like the limits of it right now, because I’m not really into SQL, as much. I think it would be a good idea to have Patrick or Ryan look into it.
162 00:17:12.380 ⇒ 00:17:13.210 Uttam Kumaran: Okay. Okay.
163 00:17:14.069 ⇒ 00:17:15.729 joshuadeveyra: That one. I don’t think we can self host.
164 00:17:16.690 ⇒ 00:17:21.169 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, yeah, no. I’m not worried about selfishing that because that that’s a core technology.
165 00:17:24.079 ⇒ 00:17:27.419 joshuadeveyra: Okay. Okay? Oh, we’re on trial for
166 00:17:29.589 ⇒ 00:17:30.319 joshuadeveyra: so we’re only
167 00:17:31.270 ⇒ 00:17:31.790 joshuadeveyra: for.
168 00:17:31.790 ⇒ 00:17:32.880 Uttam Kumaran: For super base.
169 00:17:32.910 ⇒ 00:17:34.040 Uttam Kumaran: Oh, okay.
170 00:17:34.270 ⇒ 00:17:35.480 Uttam Kumaran: Oh.
171 00:17:36.030 ⇒ 00:17:39.630 joshuadeveyra: Yeah, yeah. So that won’t work after 14 or 1312 days. Sorry.
172 00:17:42.580 ⇒ 00:17:44.250 Uttam Kumaran: Okay. Well.
173 00:17:45.640 ⇒ 00:17:49.949 Uttam Kumaran: let’s see, I mean, dude. If we get this Hpi thing it’ll pay for a lot of stuff.
174 00:17:50.210 ⇒ 00:17:59.440 Uttam Kumaran: And so I’ll talk. I’m gonna tell you a little bit about what I’m thinking for the Hbi thing. So one is I I’m kind of like I’m trying to think about like, how much?
175 00:18:00.157 ⇒ 00:18:05.099 Uttam Kumaran: We’re basically gonna plan out like what the next phase is, and like what we need in terms of budget.
176 00:18:05.340 ⇒ 00:18:05.910 joshuadeveyra: If it.
177 00:18:06.140 ⇒ 00:18:17.740 Uttam Kumaran: Like, I think if we actually want to turn that into a real application we have, we need probably, like an one more engineer, and probably one pro actual project manager, like a product manager, basically who can go work with them.
178 00:18:18.988 ⇒ 00:18:30.129 Uttam Kumaran: Is my guess, like, I probably think about either hiring, like most likely. Try to hire one of your friends, and you can. They can work directly under you or whatever. And
179 00:18:30.300 ⇒ 00:18:33.479 Uttam Kumaran: because you’re I want you to kind of start to lead
180 00:18:33.570 ⇒ 00:18:39.709 Uttam Kumaran: this whole team. And so I don’t want you to be fully occupied with just Hpi work.
181 00:18:39.720 ⇒ 00:18:42.609 Uttam Kumaran: I want it to be like we have. They have a dedicated person.
182 00:18:44.220 ⇒ 00:18:45.780 Uttam Kumaran: so I’m trying to think about
183 00:18:45.970 ⇒ 00:18:48.020 Uttam Kumaran: basically our task for the next
184 00:18:48.090 ⇒ 00:18:54.400 Uttam Kumaran: few days. Once I put together, yeah, once I put together. The plan is like we need to give them a little bit of like. Okay.
185 00:18:54.420 ⇒ 00:19:00.470 Uttam Kumaran: it’s we. It’s about like 2 or 3 months of work with a full time product manager and a full time engineer.
186 00:19:00.570 ⇒ 00:19:04.668 Uttam Kumaran: And then I can come up with like what that’s gonna cost.
187 00:19:05.440 ⇒ 00:19:07.230 Uttam Kumaran: that’s what I want to decide.
188 00:19:08.070 ⇒ 00:19:14.050 Uttam Kumaran: So then, and we we need to come up with probably the next 2 versions. And then that way I can give them
189 00:19:14.130 ⇒ 00:19:15.939 Uttam Kumaran: the roadmap. And then
190 00:19:15.970 ⇒ 00:19:26.820 Uttam Kumaran: they can say, Okay, we want this. We don’t want this. Let’s slim this down. What is that gonna change? So I want to come up with like, we have this proof of concept. What’s the Mvp. And then what’s the v 1? And then
191 00:19:26.850 ⇒ 00:19:28.530 Uttam Kumaran: I can go to them and say.
192 00:19:28.740 ⇒ 00:19:46.709 Uttam Kumaran: like, it’s gonna cost 50 K under K, whatever I have to. We have to see what from our side, how much it is. But basically, like, I want the I want. I don’t like. I’m really clear on, like I don’t want you to spend all of your time working on that, because I want you to help me grow this part of the business. So.
193 00:19:46.820 ⇒ 00:19:49.800 Uttam Kumaran: yeah, yeah.
194 00:19:49.800 ⇒ 00:19:51.190 joshuadeveyra: To do should be.
195 00:19:51.190 ⇒ 00:19:51.550 Uttam Kumaran: Okay.
196 00:19:51.550 ⇒ 00:19:58.500 joshuadeveyra: Most of it. I could act like a acting project manager or something there, because communications is a bit, you know, should be easy.
197 00:19:58.500 ⇒ 00:20:02.379 Uttam Kumaran: No. So that that’s exactly what I’m thinking about is like
198 00:20:02.490 ⇒ 00:20:05.170 Uttam Kumaran: you. I want you to be like the engineering manager.
199 00:20:05.220 ⇒ 00:20:12.340 Uttam Kumaran: And then there’s a pro. So because typically how it works is like you have, there’s an engineering manager. There’s a prod. There’s a product manager. And then there’s an engineer.
200 00:20:12.380 ⇒ 00:20:19.850 Uttam Kumaran: the engineering manager kind of manages. The engineer knows if from the product manager like, are they doing everything? The product manager
201 00:20:20.292 ⇒ 00:20:25.730 Uttam Kumaran: is works directly with engineer, but they’re not like one person doesn’t work for another person. They’re like.
202 00:20:25.840 ⇒ 00:20:28.219 Uttam Kumaran: so hierarchy. Yeah.
203 00:20:28.430 ⇒ 00:20:38.799 Uttam Kumaran: So that’s how I want this to be is basically like, there’s a product manager who who can work with the client and get all the details funnel with them. And you’re kind of overseeing the whole thing
204 00:20:38.890 ⇒ 00:20:45.179 Uttam Kumaran: because this is, gonna be our 1st like actual project where we’re doing this for like a client. Externally, you know, at this stage.
205 00:20:45.200 ⇒ 00:20:46.350 Uttam Kumaran: Yep, so.
206 00:20:48.160 ⇒ 00:20:52.070 joshuadeveyra: Okay, yeah, that makes sense, Casey the one and will interview tomorrow.
207 00:20:52.120 ⇒ 00:20:57.950 joshuadeveyra: I I’ll see what if I could be there. But he is pretty good. I think he’ll be impressed.
208 00:20:58.580 ⇒ 00:20:59.430 Uttam Kumaran: Okay, cool.
209 00:20:59.980 ⇒ 00:21:00.989 Uttam Kumaran: Cause I’m pumped.
210 00:21:00.990 ⇒ 00:21:02.400 joshuadeveyra: Family, dinner, tomorrow.
211 00:21:02.970 ⇒ 00:21:04.339 Uttam Kumaran: No no problem, no problem.
212 00:21:05.550 ⇒ 00:21:06.400 joshuadeveyra: But I told him not.
213 00:21:06.400 ⇒ 00:21:06.820 Uttam Kumaran: And I’ll tell you.
214 00:21:06.820 ⇒ 00:21:07.730 joshuadeveyra: Cancel anymore.
215 00:21:08.780 ⇒ 00:21:09.720 Uttam Kumaran: You told him what.
216 00:21:09.880 ⇒ 00:21:13.059 joshuadeveyra: I told him. You know no more family emergencies, for you
217 00:21:14.570 ⇒ 00:21:15.520 joshuadeveyra: attend them.
218 00:21:15.520 ⇒ 00:21:17.350 Uttam Kumaran: How did you? How did you meet him?
219 00:21:17.350 ⇒ 00:21:19.609 joshuadeveyra: Oh, we were workmates like before.
220 00:21:20.900 ⇒ 00:21:22.170 Uttam Kumaran: Oh, okay. Okay. Nice.
221 00:21:22.170 ⇒ 00:21:29.400 joshuadeveyra: So I yeah, he. He is good in node, so he can learn pretty fast and honestly, we could probably pay him
222 00:21:30.220 ⇒ 00:21:40.389 joshuadeveyra: cause he, I know if we’re gonna basically pirate him, he’s earning like 600 700 bucks right now. So anything above that it should be pretty good. He’ll be pretty happy.
223 00:21:41.060 ⇒ 00:22:07.630 Uttam Kumaran: Okay, yeah, let’s see, I’ll talk to him. And then I mean, look, if you’re giving him the recommendation. If your recommendation matters a lot like, I basically don’t want to hire unless they’re like, you get the go ahead. So yeah, I’m excited to talk to him. And like we have a we have a shitload of work that we need to do, even internally and stuff. And I and I want you to start thinking about architecture. Because, this is where, like ambition for like
224 00:22:07.880 ⇒ 00:22:11.649 Uttam Kumaran: and shit together, it’s like, okay, we want to build
225 00:22:11.760 ⇒ 00:22:20.159 Uttam Kumaran: like an engineering architecture around AI. So we need to start to agree on like, okay, we we are using suitcase. And we do
226 00:22:21.080 ⇒ 00:22:26.779 Uttam Kumaran: vectors we’re using today and start build these systems together.
227 00:22:27.120 ⇒ 00:22:28.009 joshuadeveyra: Okay. Okay. Gotcha.
228 00:22:28.010 ⇒ 00:22:30.079 Uttam Kumaran: I mean, the toughest part is like we
229 00:22:30.170 ⇒ 00:22:44.569 Uttam Kumaran: we don’t be. Every time we we see a an idea have to decide on like 10 different vendors and stuff like that. We’re gonna want to have our basically our staff down. And then we can start to hire and like basically bring people on to learn that.
230 00:22:44.680 ⇒ 00:23:00.490 Uttam Kumaran: And then, like, I want to start using it as much internally as possible. Right? Like, that’s the biggest. That’s the only way we’re gonna learn is to solve our own problems. But that’s where I also want you to spend some time is like working with me, Nico, the and the actual engineers on the data side and just see like.
231 00:23:00.500 ⇒ 00:23:03.480 Uttam Kumaran: where can we rip out inefficiencies.
232 00:23:04.370 ⇒ 00:23:06.330 Uttam Kumaran: Right, you basically become like.
233 00:23:06.600 ⇒ 00:23:10.680 Uttam Kumaran: you become like, just like the anti inefficiency person
234 00:23:10.750 ⇒ 00:23:14.170 Uttam Kumaran: like your whole goal is to root out inefficiencies.
235 00:23:14.499 ⇒ 00:23:23.720 Uttam Kumaran: And so that’s why I kind of want to give you unlimited access to like anybody on the team to basically find like, okay, where are things? I can speed up. The toughest part is gonna be
236 00:23:23.800 ⇒ 00:23:31.420 Uttam Kumaran: on the engineering side. I I really believe the sales and stuff we’re already doing some AI stuff. There’s there’s probably some ways to speed it up. But
237 00:23:31.660 ⇒ 00:23:37.969 Uttam Kumaran: I mean, I feel like we’re in a real. We’re in a really good place. The engineering side is gonna be like real deal.
238 00:23:38.290 ⇒ 00:23:38.610 joshuadeveyra: For.
239 00:23:38.610 ⇒ 00:23:42.019 Uttam Kumaran: But that’s like what we really get paid a lot of money for, anyway. So.
240 00:23:43.510 ⇒ 00:23:44.470 joshuadeveyra: Okay, yeah.
241 00:23:46.080 ⇒ 00:23:52.349 joshuadeveyra: yeah. I. I also started communicating a bit more with Nicholas. Right? Cause I.
242 00:23:52.350 ⇒ 00:24:01.539 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah. Talk to every talk to everybody like I think you should. It’s you should feel comfortable talking to everybody every week or so, set up meetings and chat sometimes. It’s nice to just hear.
243 00:24:01.890 ⇒ 00:24:14.259 Uttam Kumaran: especially because this is the thing in work nobody ever asks, Hey, how’s it going? You know it’s always about work, right? And so that’s why I like even this conversations. Because I can say, like, what do you think? How’s it going?
244 00:24:14.440 ⇒ 00:24:16.089 Uttam Kumaran: But that’s what I suggest.
245 00:24:16.240 ⇒ 00:24:16.820 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, that’s it.
246 00:24:16.820 ⇒ 00:24:22.570 joshuadeveyra: Actually how I because I was previously a manager, like all in my previous roles, I’m always like the manager and stuff.
247 00:24:22.930 ⇒ 00:24:23.930 Uttam Kumaran: Okay. I didn’t know.
248 00:24:24.060 ⇒ 00:24:34.610 joshuadeveyra: Yeah, that’s all. Like I’ve been of Chief Operations officer for like a previous company. So the way I treat my people actually is like, I mean, not not really my people. Basically, though you know the people that work for the company.
249 00:24:35.600 ⇒ 00:24:43.200 joshuadeveyra: I treat them like as friends like. Sometimes we’ll go together. We’ll play like I don’t wanna like that. I want like what you said, like the flat hierarchy where everyone’s.
250 00:24:43.200 ⇒ 00:24:43.490 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah.
251 00:24:43.490 ⇒ 00:24:45.099 joshuadeveyra: With everyone. That’s why.
252 00:24:45.100 ⇒ 00:24:45.969 Uttam Kumaran: 100%.
253 00:24:46.270 ⇒ 00:24:55.740 joshuadeveyra: If you speak with Casey tomorrow he’ll tell you. You know how like after work, I’ll invite them to play like even. I think I even bought him a couple of games, you know, just to like up the spirit.
254 00:24:55.740 ⇒ 00:25:01.279 Uttam Kumaran: I mean, I would totally, I mean, look, if you guys were here, I would totally we would go do stuff every week.
255 00:25:03.470 ⇒ 00:25:04.279 Uttam Kumaran: yeah, I’ll make it.
256 00:25:04.500 ⇒ 00:25:06.520 joshuadeveyra: Feel like work, you know, and that’s.
257 00:25:06.520 ⇒ 00:25:06.780 Uttam Kumaran: Sure.
258 00:25:06.780 ⇒ 00:25:11.260 joshuadeveyra: Keep people interested, and then inspired, at least from my.
259 00:25:11.260 ⇒ 00:25:14.530 Uttam Kumaran: No, and that’s exactly no, it’s exactly the same way I feel
260 00:25:14.820 ⇒ 00:25:21.690 Uttam Kumaran: like. And that helps on everything right. When we go to recruit people. We want to be confident. We can say that when they come in we want to confirm that they
261 00:25:21.880 ⇒ 00:25:27.159 Uttam Kumaran: they they’re getting what they expect, and then I want to give people amazing challenging problems to resolve. You know.
262 00:25:27.330 ⇒ 00:25:28.409 Uttam Kumaran: yeah. And.
263 00:25:28.410 ⇒ 00:25:30.500 joshuadeveyra: Not like monotonous, you know, Job.
264 00:25:31.110 ⇒ 00:25:39.200 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, and this can’t be that. And it’s also like, Look, as soon as we make more money, I want to give everybody more money like, I don’t. I’m not trying to hire people who are like.
265 00:25:39.210 ⇒ 00:25:44.559 Uttam Kumaran: Okay, I’m gonna be here for some time. Then I’m going to go to the next company, because I cause you know what I used to do, that as soon as I.
266 00:25:44.560 ⇒ 00:25:44.950 joshuadeveyra: You see Jake.
267 00:25:44.950 ⇒ 00:25:48.039 Uttam Kumaran: Company. I’m like cool 2 more years, and then we’ll be out of here.
268 00:25:48.800 ⇒ 00:25:53.249 Uttam Kumaran: and I don’t want to do. I don’t want this. I don’t want people to join
269 00:25:53.550 ⇒ 00:26:03.389 Uttam Kumaran: thinking about the next opportunity here. I want people to join and hopefully be here as long as they feel comfortable, you know. Yeah. And we want to build a career here, and
270 00:26:03.440 ⇒ 00:26:16.850 Uttam Kumaran: they feel comfortable that they’re getting a responsibility and money and respect and everything. So that’s my thing, and that’s why, quickly, when I see find people like you, I want to quickly put you in the position of like, Hey, I want you to manage. People like
271 00:26:16.890 ⇒ 00:26:31.680 Uttam Kumaran: build a like an army of folks that we can go do this work for. And that’s why I wanted to hire the content people, because soon enough I want you, Nico and Pat, to kind of be leading, publishing your thoughts online, you know, and like building your your reputation and your brand.
272 00:26:31.890 ⇒ 00:26:44.840 Uttam Kumaran: because that’s just how the whole company is gonna work right? And the easiest way I can do that is okay. Great. We have blogs. We have all this process. So it makes it super easy. And instead of you have to write, you have to then figure out how to send the email. All that stuff is taken care of. I don’t want any of that.
273 00:26:44.890 ⇒ 00:26:47.269 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, to basically be an issue. So
274 00:26:51.880 ⇒ 00:26:52.680 Uttam Kumaran: cool.
275 00:26:54.100 ⇒ 00:27:00.320 Uttam Kumaran: Okay, great, if there’s any. If there’s anyone else you think or even if you’re on Linkedin, you see someone
276 00:27:00.430 ⇒ 00:27:05.469 Uttam Kumaran: we’re talking to let me know, because I’ll we’ll talk me, and you can talk to everybody and just find the best people.
277 00:27:05.550 ⇒ 00:27:09.580 Uttam Kumaran: That’s always going to be a challenge. So that’s the thing I want to kind of think about.
278 00:27:09.580 ⇒ 00:27:14.390 joshuadeveyra: That’s why I only like hire people I also like worked with in the past, right?
279 00:27:14.926 ⇒ 00:27:16.749 joshuadeveyra: At least I know.
280 00:27:17.040 ⇒ 00:27:20.900 joshuadeveyra: or I like fresh grads to be honest, because they still have that drive in them
281 00:27:21.030 ⇒ 00:27:21.740 joshuadeveyra: like, there’s no
282 00:27:22.480 ⇒ 00:27:23.370 joshuadeveyra: it’s anywhere.
283 00:27:23.580 ⇒ 00:27:31.980 joshuadeveyra: right? Because we’re all fairly new, and the ones as from the people from flomatic right they mentioned like, there’s no expert in here, like every everything’s new.
284 00:27:31.980 ⇒ 00:27:49.279 Uttam Kumaran: No, no, we’re gonna have to train people. So you want people who have high energy and a high learning and want to learn because we can train them. We’re not going to find the perfect people same same in everything. But in this one we’re gonna have to really be like, okay, we found a great person, but he doesn’t know much. We need to. Well, let’s like level him up.
285 00:27:49.530 ⇒ 00:27:55.309 joshuadeveyra: Yeah. And the best part that’s that, you know, fresh grads are not really that expensive.
286 00:27:55.990 ⇒ 00:27:56.660 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah.
287 00:27:57.840 ⇒ 00:28:03.099 Uttam Kumaran: but and I’ll look. I I mean, I I worked like as a new grad, like, I remember what it was like. So
288 00:28:03.330 ⇒ 00:28:08.479 Uttam Kumaran: this work is awesome, too. Like, I think this is like great work. It’s not that complicated.
289 00:28:08.530 ⇒ 00:28:12.990 Uttam Kumaran: It’s new technology, but it’s not that complicated compared to some other stuff that I’ve done, you know.
290 00:28:13.190 ⇒ 00:28:13.990 joshuadeveyra: Yep, beautiful
291 00:28:15.910 ⇒ 00:28:21.850 joshuadeveyra: also them just like a different thing I did like. Put you as
292 00:28:22.195 ⇒ 00:28:28.699 joshuadeveyra: what do you call this as a reference, for, because I’m like applying at least for like a car loan.
293 00:28:28.700 ⇒ 00:28:29.890 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, what? Car?
294 00:28:30.430 ⇒ 00:28:32.660 joshuadeveyra: Man, you’re gonna find it stupid. Honestly.
295 00:28:32.940 ⇒ 00:28:35.270 Uttam Kumaran: What car? I asked. You didn’t tell me.
296 00:28:36.640 ⇒ 00:28:38.170 joshuadeveyra: It’s advantage.
297 00:28:39.550 ⇒ 00:28:40.750 Uttam Kumaran: No way.
298 00:28:41.310 ⇒ 00:28:44.789 joshuadeveyra: Cause like, remember the project we had.
299 00:28:44.870 ⇒ 00:28:50.169 joshuadeveyra: So it’s gonna come out like the money’s gonna come out December, and they’re selling it for cheap cause, like, there’s like a
300 00:28:50.410 ⇒ 00:28:55.800 joshuadeveyra: basically, our government is pushing out all the Chinese out of the country, because, like, they’re hosting so many.
301 00:28:56.120 ⇒ 00:29:02.240 joshuadeveyra: How do you say this like gambling hubs, torture sites, and stuff so like they’re selling it out for cheap.
302 00:29:04.260 ⇒ 00:29:07.770 Uttam Kumaran: Shit no way that’s sick. Dude. Send a picture.
303 00:29:08.310 ⇒ 00:29:11.820 joshuadeveyra: Yeah. But the thing is, I was like, this is kind of stupid, Noah. I’m rushing into.
304 00:29:11.820 ⇒ 00:29:12.710 Uttam Kumaran: Why?
305 00:29:13.290 ⇒ 00:29:16.620 joshuadeveyra: Because it’s like almost a hundred $1,000.
306 00:29:16.620 ⇒ 00:29:16.920 Uttam Kumaran: It’s.
307 00:29:18.490 ⇒ 00:29:32.980 joshuadeveyra: But I am bound to get like a hundred 50 from you know the project I’ve been working on the government project, and there’s really not much to do there, but I was like, I’m not sure like there’s a you know. I can always buy like a $20,000 on the civic, and it should run.
308 00:29:32.980 ⇒ 00:29:35.789 Uttam Kumaran: No, but dude. There’s a lot of stuff in the middle dude.
309 00:29:37.230 ⇒ 00:29:44.220 joshuadeveyra: Yeah, I’m also thinking about it. Right? Cause I I plan to also get some clients here in the Philippines
310 00:29:44.290 ⇒ 00:29:45.470 joshuadeveyra: for us.
311 00:29:45.800 ⇒ 00:29:50.960 joshuadeveyra: like the you know, if you go there in a civic bef, or if you go there like, in a different car.
312 00:29:52.500 ⇒ 00:29:59.159 Uttam Kumaran: Okay, I for that reason, I agree. And yeah, I mean, dude. If if you’re if you’re gonna use it for sales, then yeah, you don’t want to pull up
313 00:29:59.240 ⇒ 00:30:02.649 Uttam Kumaran: in like a shit car cause then people won’t take you seriously.
314 00:30:02.650 ⇒ 00:30:08.219 joshuadeveyra: The thing is, I found, like a Mercedes, 2021 like for basically half the price.
315 00:30:08.390 ⇒ 00:30:11.170 joshuadeveyra: And I was like this should be good enough, I guess.
316 00:30:13.050 ⇒ 00:30:16.790 Uttam Kumaran: Mercedes is nice. I have a I have a truck here. I have like a big
317 00:30:17.200 ⇒ 00:30:20.189 Uttam Kumaran: like new kind of new, like 4 years old. Truck.
318 00:30:21.032 ⇒ 00:30:22.640 Uttam Kumaran: It’s a Ford Ranger.
319 00:30:22.640 ⇒ 00:30:30.290 joshuadeveyra: Oh, okay, yeah, I I kinda don’t wanna buy. Because, like all my life, I’ve been driving like a big car. So I was like time for a smaller one.
320 00:30:31.550 ⇒ 00:30:34.470 joshuadeveyra: This roads in the Philippines man like once you go here, I’ll
321 00:30:34.570 ⇒ 00:30:35.680 joshuadeveyra: I’m not sure. Yeah.
322 00:30:35.680 ⇒ 00:30:37.030 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah.
323 00:30:37.030 ⇒ 00:30:38.050 joshuadeveyra: It’s hell!
324 00:30:38.900 ⇒ 00:30:39.620 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah.
325 00:30:39.890 ⇒ 00:30:44.769 joshuadeveyra: But I don’t know. It’s kind of stupid. So I mean they’re they’re applying for like a balloon loan.
326 00:30:45.430 ⇒ 00:30:46.060 joshuadeveyra: and then.
327 00:30:46.060 ⇒ 00:30:46.670 Uttam Kumaran: A lot.
328 00:30:47.030 ⇒ 00:30:57.200 joshuadeveyra: It’s basically like, for example, I’m not gonna cash out anything. I’m gonna pay the interest for like a year or 2. And then by the end of that year, by the end of that term I’ll pay the entire amount.
329 00:31:01.060 ⇒ 00:31:02.460 Uttam Kumaran: Oh, interesting. Okay.
330 00:31:02.460 ⇒ 00:31:09.410 joshuadeveyra: So I was like, Yeah, I mean, if that doesn’t work out, they don’t approve that. Why, I just won’t get it, because my plan is basically have the government pay for it.
331 00:31:11.160 ⇒ 00:31:13.320 joshuadeveyra: So it’s not out of my own pockets.
332 00:31:14.980 ⇒ 00:31:15.850 Uttam Kumaran: Nice.
333 00:31:16.360 ⇒ 00:31:17.490 joshuadeveyra: But yeah.
334 00:31:17.590 ⇒ 00:31:19.339 joshuadeveyra: we’ll see how it works.
335 00:31:22.760 ⇒ 00:31:28.359 joshuadeveyra: yeah. So I think that’s pretty much it. When is the website? Gonna go live? By the way, cause I wanna you know, get them on board.
336 00:31:28.690 ⇒ 00:31:31.516 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, I’m basically waiting for jp, man,
337 00:31:31.920 ⇒ 00:31:32.970 joshuadeveyra: Okay. Okay.
338 00:31:32.970 ⇒ 00:31:36.519 Uttam Kumaran: So I’m asking him every day you can message him and ask him. I don’t mind.
339 00:31:36.660 ⇒ 00:31:37.070 Uttam Kumaran: Okay.
340 00:31:38.995 ⇒ 00:31:44.019 joshuadeveyra: And then the other thing is next week, cause you’re gonna be mostly gone, I think what?
341 00:31:44.070 ⇒ 00:31:47.600 joshuadeveyra: I’m not sure. What do you think about it. But I think what I should be working on
342 00:31:48.150 ⇒ 00:31:50.759 joshuadeveyra: is like the react part of it. You know
343 00:31:50.910 ⇒ 00:31:54.509 joshuadeveyra: how to, because we don’t also like we don’t. Wanna
344 00:31:54.650 ⇒ 00:31:57.350 joshuadeveyra: how? How do you say this like, we don’t wanna
345 00:31:57.550 ⇒ 00:32:09.559 joshuadeveyra: keep relying on na 10, right like the that interface. So I was thinking, maybe we could create, you know, a simple ui, at least, for now, where our people can do it.
346 00:32:10.230 ⇒ 00:32:15.050 Uttam Kumaran: I think I’ll plan out what we want the phase to be. I also want to keep working on some stuff internally
347 00:32:15.060 ⇒ 00:32:21.321 Uttam Kumaran: that we need. Like, for example, Ryan on the content side, basically, once we have the
348 00:32:21.780 ⇒ 00:32:38.789 Uttam Kumaran: once we have the na, then on our own content, I basically want to help him make a few agents that can help him with writing blog posts because he’s writing. He’s writing ex post Linkedin posts, blogs, and I want to make sure that the prompts and the stuff he’s using are all like
349 00:32:38.980 ⇒ 00:32:41.530 Uttam Kumaran: super great because it’s gonna save them a ton of time.
350 00:32:42.030 ⇒ 00:32:47.440 Uttam Kumaran: He’s already using it. And he’s also really smart. Ryan’s pretty good so I wanna make sure that he.
351 00:32:47.590 ⇒ 00:32:49.160 joshuadeveyra: Ryan is the guy that.
352 00:32:49.160 ⇒ 00:32:49.830 Uttam Kumaran: Process.
353 00:32:49.830 ⇒ 00:32:50.729 joshuadeveyra: Right on the call.
354 00:32:51.280 ⇒ 00:32:51.830 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah.
355 00:32:51.960 ⇒ 00:32:52.970 joshuadeveyra: Okay. Okay.
356 00:32:54.920 ⇒ 00:32:58.130 joshuadeveyra: okay. Ryan. Different from Ryan Jose.
357 00:32:59.010 ⇒ 00:33:00.920 joshuadeveyra: That’s him. That’s him. Same guy.
358 00:33:00.920 ⇒ 00:33:01.620 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, yeah.
359 00:33:02.010 ⇒ 00:33:03.040 joshuadeveyra: Okay. Okay.
360 00:33:04.700 ⇒ 00:33:10.610 joshuadeveyra: okay, yeah. And then cause the the other thing. I I’m not sure if you still have time.
361 00:33:11.660 ⇒ 00:33:12.300 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah. Dude.
362 00:33:12.770 ⇒ 00:33:22.589 joshuadeveyra: Cause. The other thing is once because this project, the project I’m about to get money from it’s gonna be like it’s already on the hands of our Doj secretary. Right? So he just signs it, and we’re all good.
363 00:33:23.140 ⇒ 00:33:23.770 Uttam Kumaran: Okay.
364 00:33:24.000 ⇒ 00:33:27.819 joshuadeveyra: This will be like the 1st project that actually digitalizes like the Bureau.
365 00:33:28.500 ⇒ 00:33:29.150 Uttam Kumaran: Okay.
366 00:33:29.760 ⇒ 00:33:36.140 joshuadeveyra: So from that point on, like, there’s like a yearly budget, for you know stuff. And that’s where I want to put us in
367 00:33:36.170 ⇒ 00:33:38.639 joshuadeveyra: like, I know, some people are trying to
368 00:33:39.716 ⇒ 00:33:41.419 joshuadeveyra: work on it already.
369 00:33:41.490 ⇒ 00:33:44.069 joshuadeveyra: So I’m trying to get us there. So I’m gonna talk to them.
370 00:33:44.070 ⇒ 00:33:46.919 Uttam Kumaran: What do you need? What do you need from us in terms of proposal.
371 00:33:47.370 ⇒ 00:33:48.750 Uttam Kumaran: or like details?
372 00:33:49.630 ⇒ 00:33:50.710 joshuadeveyra: Oh.
373 00:33:50.730 ⇒ 00:33:52.749 joshuadeveyra: cause data is a big problem.
374 00:33:53.730 ⇒ 00:34:02.599 joshuadeveyra: Because, as I told you before, we don’t even have the data right? It’s all stored in some unaccessible database that’s already been burned. I don’t know where it is.
375 00:34:03.930 ⇒ 00:34:07.309 joshuadeveyra: And then there’s there’s basically just no way
376 00:34:07.600 ⇒ 00:34:10.609 joshuadeveyra: to access those data. So I think for the 1st
377 00:34:10.929 ⇒ 00:34:17.610 joshuadeveyra: I could probably talk to my dad and have you guys act as a consultant on how we should manage that data.
378 00:34:18.540 ⇒ 00:34:20.369 Uttam Kumaran: And maybe it’s just an audit period.
379 00:34:21.830 ⇒ 00:34:23.309 joshuadeveyra: But there’s nothing to audit.
380 00:34:24.900 ⇒ 00:34:31.420 Uttam Kumaran: No, no meaning like you said, there’s like some missing data or data issues like we would come in and just do like a basic audit about
381 00:34:33.840 ⇒ 00:34:34.900 joshuadeveyra: Oh, yeah, yeah.
382 00:34:35.010 ⇒ 00:34:36.839 joshuadeveyra: on how we can retrieve those.
383 00:34:38.150 ⇒ 00:34:38.770 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah.
384 00:34:40.190 ⇒ 00:34:40.810 joshuadeveyra: Yeah.
385 00:34:40.810 ⇒ 00:34:47.359 Uttam Kumaran: But think about it. Write down your thoughts in a notion notion like, create a lead, and just put all your thoughts there and then let’s work on it together.
386 00:34:47.560 ⇒ 00:34:54.950 joshuadeveyra: Okay, yeah. Yeah. Cause I’ll try to talk to my dad about it the next few months, cause this cause this project will be like the catalyst right? It’s a
387 00:34:55.090 ⇒ 00:35:00.400 joshuadeveyra: it should probably put my dad as assistant director, basically second or 3rd highest command in the bureau.
388 00:35:00.840 ⇒ 00:35:05.800 joshuadeveyra: And then from from that point on all projects are gonna be, you know, because
389 00:35:05.940 ⇒ 00:35:09.000 joshuadeveyra: all all projects are gonna be handled by my dad.
390 00:35:09.400 ⇒ 00:35:10.420 joshuadeveyra: This is actually the tech.
391 00:35:10.420 ⇒ 00:35:10.979 Uttam Kumaran: But yeah.
392 00:35:10.980 ⇒ 00:35:15.020 joshuadeveyra: I think it’s the Dwg, the lead or something.
393 00:35:16.210 ⇒ 00:35:20.360 joshuadeveyra: Basically, he’s handling everything. But he’s also in operations.
394 00:35:20.450 ⇒ 00:35:22.969 joshuadeveyra: So it’s kind of busy right now, since they’re hunting down.
395 00:35:22.970 ⇒ 00:35:26.789 Uttam Kumaran: I mean, let’s also see, because I don’t know how it is to do business there.
396 00:35:26.950 ⇒ 00:35:28.530 Uttam Kumaran: like with a Us. Entity.
397 00:35:29.070 ⇒ 00:35:30.630 joshuadeveyra: We probably have to create like a
398 00:35:31.770 ⇒ 00:35:33.419 joshuadeveyra: no, because I don’t know.
399 00:35:33.420 ⇒ 00:35:37.290 Uttam Kumaran: I think like, maybe if you can figure out like, what is our process for pure curing.
400 00:35:37.340 ⇒ 00:35:38.990 Uttam Kumaran: external vendors
401 00:35:39.130 ⇒ 00:35:40.349 Uttam Kumaran: and stuff like that.
402 00:35:41.110 ⇒ 00:35:46.099 joshuadeveyra: Or what we could do is we could establish a company here, and then that company will hire you no.
403 00:35:46.650 ⇒ 00:35:49.169 Uttam Kumaran: Exactly like there’s a couple of ways to do it.
404 00:35:49.760 ⇒ 00:35:55.759 Uttam Kumaran: Either we work externally or we need to float a company there and then it works through that. But again, all that stuff takes time. So.
405 00:35:56.605 ⇒ 00:35:58.570 joshuadeveyra: We have a couple of shell companies already.
406 00:36:01.150 ⇒ 00:36:01.820 joshuadeveyra: so.
407 00:36:01.820 ⇒ 00:36:02.310 Uttam Kumaran: Okay.
408 00:36:02.350 ⇒ 00:36:12.929 joshuadeveyra: Be able to, you know, do it, but I think for like in an initial meeting, because probably my dad would want to speak to you, so we’ll probably want to go there, or you will. You’ll go to us. But yeah, we’ll figure it out.
409 00:36:13.510 ⇒ 00:36:14.150 Uttam Kumaran: Okay.
410 00:36:14.540 ⇒ 00:36:16.890 joshuadeveyra: Because the yearly budget kind of ballooned
411 00:36:16.950 ⇒ 00:36:18.609 joshuadeveyra: from like
412 00:36:18.740 ⇒ 00:36:23.160 joshuadeveyra: 2 to 3 million dollars to around 40 million dollars a year, and no one knows.
413 00:36:23.495 ⇒ 00:36:23.830 Uttam Kumaran: Okay.
414 00:36:23.830 ⇒ 00:36:26.529 joshuadeveyra: Money. So like, if I could get us, you know.
415 00:36:26.550 ⇒ 00:36:33.349 joshuadeveyra: 200 300 million pesos, basically 5 6 million Usd a year. I think that would be great for all parties involved.
416 00:36:33.990 ⇒ 00:36:41.859 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, why don’t we set up a meeting, or even me? And you can meet after I get back and do like an hour or 2 just on this project.
417 00:36:43.800 ⇒ 00:36:44.470 joshuadeveyra: Good.
418 00:36:44.470 ⇒ 00:36:45.440 Uttam Kumaran: I think.
419 00:36:45.440 ⇒ 00:36:50.850 joshuadeveyra: I’d rather speak with my dad 1st on. What’s the next few steps on like how the government plans to approach it.
420 00:36:51.700 ⇒ 00:36:53.589 Uttam Kumaran: Okay. Okay. Then you let me know.
421 00:36:54.010 ⇒ 00:36:55.479 joshuadeveyra: Yes, yes, I’ll let you know.
422 00:36:56.610 ⇒ 00:36:57.590 Uttam Kumaran: Okay, perfect.
423 00:36:57.590 ⇒ 00:36:59.450 joshuadeveyra: That could balloon, or, you know.
424 00:36:59.750 ⇒ 00:37:00.940 joshuadeveyra: No, that’d be huge.
425 00:37:00.940 ⇒ 00:37:06.130 Uttam Kumaran: I mean, but then we’d have we’d have to hire. You’d have to hire people there, probably, and we’d have to figure stuff out. But that’d be great.
426 00:37:06.460 ⇒ 00:37:09.979 Uttam Kumaran: I mean, I’m always down to explore new opportunities. Dude.
427 00:37:10.090 ⇒ 00:37:10.720 joshuadeveyra: Yeah.
428 00:37:11.100 ⇒ 00:37:13.630 joshuadeveyra: And then we’ll be in the targets of Nsa. No.
429 00:37:14.676 ⇒ 00:37:17.439 joshuadeveyra: Can you send data to us? Can you send.
430 00:37:20.530 ⇒ 00:37:23.070 Uttam Kumaran: We’re a small company. We’re like nobody company.
431 00:37:23.500 ⇒ 00:37:31.889 joshuadeveyra: Cause I’ve been approached, approached by like a couple of Chinese individuals asking if you know, once the project starts, if I could like, if.
432 00:37:31.890 ⇒ 00:37:32.850 Uttam Kumaran: Really.
433 00:37:33.070 ⇒ 00:37:35.059 joshuadeveyra: So I was like, Yeah, I don’t.
434 00:37:35.060 ⇒ 00:37:35.820 Uttam Kumaran: Email.
435 00:37:36.170 ⇒ 00:37:37.789 joshuadeveyra: No no like personal.
436 00:37:39.920 ⇒ 00:37:40.960 Uttam Kumaran: Where.
437 00:37:41.854 ⇒ 00:37:45.400 joshuadeveyra: I usually hang out around Pcc. Near there, you know.
438 00:37:45.400 ⇒ 00:37:46.709 Uttam Kumaran: Like at the bar.
439 00:37:47.100 ⇒ 00:37:48.640 joshuadeveyra: No, at a coffee shop.
440 00:37:50.050 ⇒ 00:37:51.690 Uttam Kumaran: What the hell that’s crazy.
441 00:37:51.690 ⇒ 00:37:58.059 joshuadeveyra: So they just, you know. I know you’ve you’re handling very sensitive data, basically all case managements.
442 00:37:58.090 ⇒ 00:38:00.400 joshuadeveyra: And then they were like, you know if you
443 00:38:00.670 ⇒ 00:38:02.290 joshuadeveyra: if you wanna
444 00:38:02.430 ⇒ 00:38:09.190 joshuadeveyra: do something about it. They didn’t expressly say that they want to buy the data, but that’s probably why they would approach me right?
445 00:38:10.580 ⇒ 00:38:15.640 joshuadeveyra: Because imagine having access to a country’s basically FBI’s case files.
446 00:38:18.640 ⇒ 00:38:19.940 Uttam Kumaran: That’s crazy.
447 00:38:19.940 ⇒ 00:38:23.400 joshuadeveyra: Yeah, so yeah, but I’m not gonna go that way.
448 00:38:24.640 ⇒ 00:38:25.140 joshuadeveyra: Hell.
449 00:38:26.970 ⇒ 00:38:29.089 joshuadeveyra: next thing I know I’m gonna get lynched.
450 00:38:31.880 ⇒ 00:38:39.230 joshuadeveyra: So. But yeah, I’ll keep you posted about it. I’ll probably have to speak to my dad over the next few weeks, because, you know, there’s an Inquisition going right now.
451 00:38:40.260 ⇒ 00:38:42.029 Uttam Kumaran: Okay. Cool. Let me know.
452 00:38:42.330 ⇒ 00:38:43.920 joshuadeveyra: Okay. Thanks. Uttam.
453 00:38:44.450 ⇒ 00:38:48.140 Uttam Kumaran: Okay, I’ll text you them some more on slack later today or tomorrow.
454 00:38:48.340 ⇒ 00:38:48.970 joshuadeveyra: Okay.
455 00:38:49.070 ⇒ 00:38:51.049 joshuadeveyra: Okay. Okay. Bye, bye. Have a good one.
456 00:38:51.050 ⇒ 00:38:52.599 Uttam Kumaran: Thank you. Bye.