Meeting Title: Recuitment-Bi-Weekly Date: 2024-09-30 Meeting participants: Nicolas Sucari, Patrick Trainer, Uttam Kumaran
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1 00:00:12.220 ⇒ 00:00:13.400 7.
2 00:00:23.400 ⇒ 00:00:24.290 Uttam Kumaran: Exactly.
3 00:00:27.380 ⇒ 00:00:28.060 Uttam Kumaran: Let’s see.
4 00:00:35.810 ⇒ 00:00:36.830 Patrick Trainer: Yo.
5 00:00:37.360 ⇒ 00:00:38.100 Uttam Kumaran: Yo.
6 00:00:38.860 ⇒ 00:00:39.580 Patrick Trainer: What’s going on.
7 00:00:40.360 ⇒ 00:00:48.846 Uttam Kumaran: Not much. I told him. I told Brian he’s setting up the repo, and, like the Dv. Pro dbt project for Javi coffee, I told him to.
8 00:00:49.543 ⇒ 00:00:53.650 Uttam Kumaran: Maybe grab some time with you so you can get it on that 1st try.
9 00:00:53.850 ⇒ 00:00:54.620 Uttam Kumaran: Cool
10 00:00:55.818 ⇒ 00:00:57.369 Uttam Kumaran: it just might be
11 00:00:57.490 ⇒ 00:01:02.809 Uttam Kumaran: like I wanted to set up like the dpt project in a way where it could like go to the right schemas and stuff.
12 00:01:03.525 ⇒ 00:01:06.350 Uttam Kumaran: So I told him like grab some time to do this week.
13 00:01:08.220 ⇒ 00:01:11.501 Patrick Trainer: Oh, sweet, you mean like how we have it set up
14 00:01:12.680 ⇒ 00:01:15.330 Patrick Trainer: for like pull parts in them. So it’s not like
15 00:01:15.920 ⇒ 00:01:17.230 Patrick Trainer: prepending.
16 00:01:17.490 ⇒ 00:01:18.040 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah.
17 00:01:18.040 ⇒ 00:01:19.080 Patrick Trainer: Key to everything.
18 00:01:19.080 ⇒ 00:01:21.390 Uttam Kumaran: Exactly right, alright, cool.
19 00:01:22.700 ⇒ 00:01:23.239 Patrick Trainer: If he hasn’t.
20 00:01:23.240 ⇒ 00:01:23.770 Nicolas Sucari: Hi guys.
21 00:01:23.770 ⇒ 00:01:28.490 Patrick Trainer: Already I can. I can honestly put that in the template. That’s a good idea.
22 00:01:28.670 ⇒ 00:01:33.860 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, he has. He has, like 3 sequel models that he hasn’t pushed
23 00:01:33.930 ⇒ 00:01:37.919 Uttam Kumaran: yet, because he’s getting them reviewed. But those will be the 1st ones, and then he’s gonna set up.
24 00:01:38.160 ⇒ 00:01:43.250 Uttam Kumaran: Cause since it’s just him. I I was okay with him, using Dbt cloud because we only get one
25 00:01:43.470 ⇒ 00:01:46.919 Uttam Kumaran: paid you got you got one free seat per project.
26 00:01:47.531 ⇒ 00:01:52.200 Uttam Kumaran: So I was like, just use Dvt cloud, and it’s just dbt model for the orchestration.
27 00:01:52.240 ⇒ 00:01:54.234 Uttam Kumaran: so don’t necessarily need to use the
28 00:01:55.810 ⇒ 00:01:57.570 Uttam Kumaran: What’s it called the
29 00:01:57.920 ⇒ 00:02:00.220 Uttam Kumaran: workflows. Yeah.
30 00:02:00.220 ⇒ 00:02:00.910 Patrick Trainer: Okay.
31 00:02:04.900 ⇒ 00:02:09.610 Patrick Trainer: alright, I would say with with that it just gives us like
32 00:02:09.880 ⇒ 00:02:15.520 Patrick Trainer: less visibility into like pipeline and pipeline failure.
33 00:02:16.040 ⇒ 00:02:18.349 Patrick Trainer: But I mean, if it’s
34 00:02:18.560 ⇒ 00:02:22.070 Patrick Trainer: it’s it’s not the end of the or biggest deal.
35 00:02:22.190 ⇒ 00:02:23.670 Patrick Trainer: but just to
36 00:02:24.390 ⇒ 00:02:25.250 Patrick Trainer: be aware of that.
37 00:02:25.250 ⇒ 00:02:29.220 Nicolas Sucari: We we don’t receive. We don’t receive alerts or something. We.
38 00:02:29.220 ⇒ 00:02:31.119 Uttam Kumaran: You can. I think you can set up alerts, but.
39 00:02:31.120 ⇒ 00:02:35.669 Patrick Trainer: Yeah, you can set up alerts. It’s just like it’s different than
40 00:02:35.940 ⇒ 00:02:37.850 Patrick Trainer: everything else that we’re doing.
41 00:02:38.060 ⇒ 00:02:41.250 Patrick Trainer: So it’s like it, it it like.
42 00:02:41.250 ⇒ 00:02:44.649 Uttam Kumaran: I’m I mean, I’m comfortable if you wanna just tell them to do it
43 00:02:45.010 ⇒ 00:02:51.479 Uttam Kumaran: to just cause he wants to use the Dvc. Cloud id. But I’m I’m comfortable if you’re like, hey, run everything through workflows.
44 00:02:51.830 ⇒ 00:02:52.710 Uttam Kumaran: It’s just
45 00:02:53.230 ⇒ 00:02:54.739 Uttam Kumaran: How are you? Oh, not.
46 00:02:55.200 ⇒ 00:02:58.269 Patrick Trainer: Like, like, I mean, I’m thinking about like.
47 00:02:59.360 ⇒ 00:03:03.589 Patrick Trainer: if when an issue comes up and we need to like
48 00:03:03.950 ⇒ 00:03:05.170 Patrick Trainer: debug it
49 00:03:05.850 ⇒ 00:03:06.890 Patrick Trainer: like
50 00:03:07.120 ⇒ 00:03:10.860 Patrick Trainer: going through Dbt cloud is going to be
51 00:03:11.260 ⇒ 00:03:12.890 Patrick Trainer: more of a hassle.
52 00:03:13.140 ⇒ 00:03:15.439 Patrick Trainer: or or I mean, just like.
53 00:03:15.530 ⇒ 00:03:20.759 Patrick Trainer: I’ve literally never used dbt cloud like in 8 years of using dbt.
54 00:03:20.800 ⇒ 00:03:21.670 Patrick Trainer: so
55 00:03:22.730 ⇒ 00:03:23.630 Patrick Trainer: like
56 00:03:25.320 ⇒ 00:03:29.609 Patrick Trainer: managing, that is going to be different than managing
57 00:03:30.710 ⇒ 00:03:33.439 Patrick Trainer: the it like like core.
58 00:03:35.740 ⇒ 00:03:39.139 Patrick Trainer: And so there’s there’s just that like unknown unknowns.
59 00:03:39.450 ⇒ 00:03:47.099 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, I mean, I I would say, like I I see the the pros and cons like maybe just chat with him and see what he’s up to like if he’s if he’s if he’s down to just
60 00:03:47.230 ⇒ 00:03:54.399 Uttam Kumaran: run the jobs. But use the Id there. Then that’s also not like he just basically likes using the idea thing.
61 00:03:55.340 ⇒ 00:03:59.929 Patrick Trainer: I mean, yeah, I’m not gonna make a big deal of it, or like.
62 00:04:00.080 ⇒ 00:04:06.059 Patrick Trainer: like, let’s let him be comfortable with what he wants and like, if it becomes.
63 00:04:06.060 ⇒ 00:04:06.420 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah.
64 00:04:06.420 ⇒ 00:04:08.750 Patrick Trainer: Then like it shouldn’t be
65 00:04:09.160 ⇒ 00:04:11.030 Patrick Trainer: difficult to move
66 00:04:11.380 ⇒ 00:04:15.239 Patrick Trainer: between anything so like I mean, I’ll just. I’ll just let it be.
67 00:04:15.240 ⇒ 00:04:15.780 Uttam Kumaran: Okay.
68 00:04:16.190 ⇒ 00:04:20.939 Uttam Kumaran: I think if we if we get like, really confident in our system, then we can make like a hard stop. But
69 00:04:21.290 ⇒ 00:04:22.620 Uttam Kumaran: right, yeah.
70 00:04:23.610 ⇒ 00:04:26.070 Uttam Kumaran: okay. So today, I wanted to go through.
71 00:04:26.100 ⇒ 00:04:28.589 Uttam Kumaran: So this is like our 1st
72 00:04:29.030 ⇒ 00:04:32.150 Uttam Kumaran: for the kickoff of like recruiting. So
73 00:04:32.180 ⇒ 00:04:34.970 Uttam Kumaran: I just wanted to kind of talk broadly about
74 00:04:35.641 ⇒ 00:04:47.469 Uttam Kumaran: like, just overall, about how I’m thinking about recruiting and and like what what I think are going to be the immediate sort of needs on the team. I sent a little bit of an agenda
75 00:04:47.760 ⇒ 00:04:49.869 Uttam Kumaran: before this, but I think for the most part.
76 00:04:50.491 ⇒ 00:04:55.380 Uttam Kumaran: this is gonna be really fixed around taking a look at this notion, Doc, that I set up
77 00:04:55.743 ⇒ 00:04:58.659 Uttam Kumaran: that I’ll just share, and then we can kind of talk through.
78 00:04:59.960 ⇒ 00:05:01.876 Uttam Kumaran: and we can just talk through that
79 00:05:02.970 ⇒ 00:05:07.940 Uttam Kumaran: And then again, I I think the reason why I wanted to include you both is
80 00:05:08.090 ⇒ 00:05:14.980 Uttam Kumaran: again, I think, between the 3 of us. We have the purview into pretty much the entire company. I think more and more.
81 00:05:15.110 ⇒ 00:05:20.940 Uttam Kumaran: My seat is gonna is gonna start being, especially in the next 2 months is gonna be really focused on sales.
82 00:05:21.060 ⇒ 00:05:27.489 Uttam Kumaran: So on everything we need on the platform side, under Patrick, and then on the projects continues to be under Nico. And then
83 00:05:27.630 ⇒ 00:05:29.909 Uttam Kumaran: I think we’re basically
84 00:05:30.100 ⇒ 00:05:37.500 Uttam Kumaran: one of the people I’m I’m bringing on is Roy on the sales side. I’m hoping that he is able to kind of start to own
85 00:05:37.740 ⇒ 00:05:43.369 Uttam Kumaran: most of the stuff on sales, and then it’ll kind of be like the 4 of us really on like each major pillar
86 00:05:43.450 ⇒ 00:05:47.110 Uttam Kumaran: of the company, but you know, still kind of he’s just starting right now, and
87 00:05:47.150 ⇒ 00:05:54.579 Uttam Kumaran: and starting to get a feel for what we do. So I’m not gonna rush that. So we have our like slack channel for
88 00:05:55.850 ⇒ 00:06:05.740 Uttam Kumaran: recruiting. I think the biggest things are. Yeah, I wanted to go through the notion I wanna take a look at like where I’m starting to centralize like Jd’s. For, like the core data roles.
89 00:06:06.041 ⇒ 00:06:10.429 Uttam Kumaran: kind of talked about like, I wanna talk a little bit about like creating a shared rubric and then
90 00:06:10.450 ⇒ 00:06:19.409 Uttam Kumaran: talk about like people that are in the process, or people who want to add the process. The 1st thing I’ll say is, I read this really amazing book on hiring
91 00:06:20.280 ⇒ 00:06:24.869 Uttam Kumaran: like, when I started to hire a bunch of people. A few years ago.
92 00:06:24.930 ⇒ 00:06:28.720 Uttam Kumaran: and it was like tremendous I think it’s like.
93 00:06:28.800 ⇒ 00:06:34.579 Uttam Kumaran: I don’t know. I tend to like. Read these sorts of books right before I start to do like
94 00:06:34.800 ⇒ 00:06:41.970 Uttam Kumaran: this. So I I’m hiring. I just read a bunch of books on hiring, and so I found this to be really great if either of you want.
95 00:06:42.040 ⇒ 00:06:43.590 Uttam Kumaran: Pick this up, or
96 00:06:43.670 ⇒ 00:06:51.201 Uttam Kumaran: I don’t know if you want to go find this like half price books, or whatever. Let me know I’m happy to pay for it. Because we’ll be following some of the
97 00:06:51.640 ⇒ 00:07:07.049 Uttam Kumaran: guidelines here in particular. They recommend having, like a shared guideline, a shared rubric. That each of us, when we interview a candidate, can fill out and what this allows, what this prevents is like kind of things that are really subjective in hiring, which is like
98 00:07:07.500 ⇒ 00:07:14.570 Uttam Kumaran: going off like vibes, you know, and saying like, I like this person, I don’t like this person, instead of having like a shared basically
99 00:07:14.650 ⇒ 00:07:21.020 Uttam Kumaran: set of like this is why I like them. This is why. But also, how do how do they adhere to like 5 or 6 categories
100 00:07:21.390 ⇒ 00:07:26.150 Uttam Kumaran: this allows us to kind of create that that was one of the big things. But we also had a lot of great tips, so
101 00:07:26.514 ⇒ 00:07:29.026 Uttam Kumaran: let me know I’m happy to get this
102 00:07:30.993 ⇒ 00:07:33.450 Uttam Kumaran: so then, to talk a little bit about notion.
103 00:07:33.580 ⇒ 00:07:39.459 Uttam Kumaran: So a notion here I just have a section for team. Basically, I have everybody in the team
104 00:07:40.213 ⇒ 00:07:45.879 Uttam Kumaran: right now. And this is, I think this is basic everyone. And and then there’s also
105 00:07:46.060 ⇒ 00:07:52.580 Uttam Kumaran: people that are like archive. It’s like people that either like were interviewed with us and like, maybe didn’t fit or like people who are?
106 00:07:52.620 ⇒ 00:07:56.110 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, that’s I think that’s the only category you could see everyone.
107 00:07:57.390 ⇒ 00:08:01.039 Uttam Kumaran: I think this is yeah, this is probably it. But you can see it’s filtered here.
108 00:08:01.364 ⇒ 00:08:15.370 Uttam Kumaran: So I’m filtering everybody, only people who are like active bench or prospect active people are all of us right, and including the folks. I mean, this is everybody who’s on brain right, including the people who have worked with us who are no longer
109 00:08:15.420 ⇒ 00:08:23.569 Uttam Kumaran: on clients. The reason I use the word bench is in like professional services. If you’re not actively on a client, that’s typically what the nomenclature is.
110 00:08:23.600 ⇒ 00:08:28.590 Uttam Kumaran: But these are people who get to work on clients with us, or who are still open. We’ve interviewed
111 00:08:29.050 ⇒ 00:08:36.879 Uttam Kumaran: already worked with us, can start back up again, and then we have like people who aren’t prospect. These are people that are like people we want to.
112 00:08:36.940 ⇒ 00:08:42.049 Uttam Kumaran: We want to go recruit, or like. We’ve already had a warm introduction to.
113 00:08:42.080 ⇒ 00:08:44.850 Uttam Kumaran: And then I associate them, each of them with roles.
114 00:08:45.188 ⇒ 00:08:52.050 Uttam Kumaran: You know we have a bunch of people here that are like internal right, like all the salespeople and marketing folks, and then we have people that are assigned to
115 00:08:52.080 ⇒ 00:08:53.200 Uttam Kumaran: the clients.
116 00:08:55.800 ⇒ 00:09:08.599 Uttam Kumaran: so what we’ll kind of be doing is as people come up into our world, or, as I kind of said, I said the same like set the bad signal a little bit for like for looking to bring on people the real onus of like kicking this off now is
117 00:09:09.085 ⇒ 00:09:16.599 Uttam Kumaran: everything is like order of operations. So you know our ability to sell as soon as we start selling.
118 00:09:16.720 ⇒ 00:09:34.339 Uttam Kumaran: You know, the goal is not like to not get clients. So we’re everything we have to assume. We’re gonna get more people involved. What what immediately happens. If we get another client is we now move to 4 clients. We probably need them to bring another analytics. Engineer. There’s just a bunch of things that happen, for all of those hiring is always going to be.
119 00:09:34.390 ⇒ 00:09:48.430 Uttam Kumaran: It’s 1 of the key lynchmen. So I just wanna make sure that we’re we’re in a mode of like, always recruiting, whether these are recruiting, that you’re just talking to people and being like cool like you can sit as a prospect, and but we need to have a need. We can bring you in, or it’s like, Hey, we’re actively recruiting, like
120 00:09:48.540 ⇒ 00:09:57.440 Uttam Kumaran: we’re gonna expect to sign on at least one more, if not a few more clients. By the end of the year we’ll need to fill those people. At least one data engineer, one analytics engineer.
121 00:09:57.936 ⇒ 00:10:00.710 Uttam Kumaran: Additionally like, I always want to have a
122 00:10:01.270 ⇒ 00:10:22.279 Uttam Kumaran: bench and prospects of people that we can bring on when we need to. Because we may have some clients that expand. We may have some people out. You know, we may have some amount of churn. So I wanna make sure that we are. Yeah, we always are in a mindset of recruiting. And then also again, like as we start to do more content and stuff, we’re gonna meet great engineers. Some of these people here are full time at other companies like.
123 00:10:22.280 ⇒ 00:10:35.670 Uttam Kumaran: for example, me and Pat talk to Tommy. They’re full time somewhere else. They may or may not have capacity right now. But I want them to know that we’re always open to working with them, and so whenever they’re free, they can consider us right? So this is just like.
124 00:10:36.060 ⇒ 00:10:40.349 Uttam Kumaran: it’s basically what we do on the sales side except for people. So our job is to
125 00:10:40.640 ⇒ 00:11:02.009 Uttam Kumaran: continue to put the word out there and have a great rolodex of amazing engineers. We interestingly have a mix of people that are part time and full time. Right? We have some people that are contracts. That are coming completely external. Mainly like this is folks like Nick and Brian, who they’re like just purely working on clients. We have some people that we’re also thinking about, hey, can they contribute to our data platform roadmap?
126 00:11:02.393 ⇒ 00:11:10.170 Uttam Kumaran: This is someone who’s like, so core to the business, and they want to work on more and help grow the business like Ryan. They want to bring on full time. So
127 00:11:10.200 ⇒ 00:11:12.098 Uttam Kumaran: we’re gonna have a mix of those
128 00:11:12.420 ⇒ 00:11:35.290 Uttam Kumaran: again until we can afford to kind of like. Only have our majority have like full time folks. I think it’s nice to have these sorts of things we’re gonna get. We’re gonna be able to because of our openness to get people wherever they are. We’re gonna get great candidates. But what we lose on is like, we may not have everybody full time. But those are the kind of factors to consider here. The other thing is, I don’t have particularly like anything
129 00:11:35.460 ⇒ 00:11:37.459 Uttam Kumaran: in each of these people’s
130 00:11:37.660 ⇒ 00:11:47.627 Uttam Kumaran: like list, but if we need to get more organized here we can. The biggest thing I’ll share is like on the role side is where I’m really trying to use these roles.
131 00:11:48.250 ⇒ 00:12:04.419 Uttam Kumaran: pages for, like Jd’s like sales managers. A good example. I wrote a little bit of like the Jd. For a sales manager when I was looking for folks, and I actually was able to also send this to clients right? One of the things that when we start looking for people, they ask like
132 00:12:04.420 ⇒ 00:12:23.779 Uttam Kumaran: we have an open Jd, oh, I have. I have, like someone who might be interested. Can you send me some details about who? What the type of people you’re looking for? This is what I actually want to end up sending to them. So the key things that I want to try to work on in the next week or so, or at least before the next recruiting meeting is getting a 1st draft of Jd’s for data analysts, analytics, engineers and data engineers.
133 00:12:25.820 ⇒ 00:12:27.570 Uttam Kumaran: yeah, I mean, that’s pretty
134 00:12:28.080 ⇒ 00:12:32.590 Uttam Kumaran: simple. There any questions so far. Yeah.
135 00:12:33.235 ⇒ 00:12:48.520 Nicolas Sucari: No, we. I think we have some notes that we in in another page for each of the different roles that we did some time ago, Tom, maybe we can bring that here. So yeah, we have like, kind of a starting point.
136 00:12:48.690 ⇒ 00:12:50.800 Nicolas Sucari: Let me take a look bad.
137 00:12:50.830 ⇒ 00:12:51.960 Nicolas Sucari: I think.
138 00:12:53.360 ⇒ 00:12:57.479 Nicolas Sucari: Let me check. I wanna check, because I remember we we did this before.
139 00:12:57.760 ⇒ 00:12:58.620 Uttam Kumaran: Okay, cool.
140 00:13:01.870 ⇒ 00:13:04.850 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah. There’s a hot chance. We’ve done this somewhere.
141 00:13:06.210 ⇒ 00:13:06.690 Nicolas Sucari: Yeah.
142 00:13:06.690 ⇒ 00:13:07.270 Uttam Kumaran: Cool.
143 00:13:08.000 ⇒ 00:13:08.690 Uttam Kumaran: And yeah.
144 00:13:10.070 ⇒ 00:13:12.240 Nicolas Sucari: If you go to engineering Wiki.
145 00:13:13.180 ⇒ 00:13:13.910 Uttam Kumaran: Nice.
146 00:13:14.890 ⇒ 00:13:15.769 Uttam Kumaran: Oh, yeah. Okay.
147 00:13:15.770 ⇒ 00:13:20.650 Nicolas Sucari: You. We have here kind of some. Yeah, some points where we can use this.
148 00:13:21.600 ⇒ 00:13:23.940 Nicolas Sucari: I I think the pages are empty. Yeah.
149 00:13:23.940 ⇒ 00:13:24.630 Uttam Kumaran: Okay, cool. Yeah.
150 00:13:24.630 ⇒ 00:13:25.450 Nicolas Sucari: Other ones.
151 00:13:27.400 ⇒ 00:13:30.269 Nicolas Sucari: Maybe we can use this chance, or for later.
152 00:13:30.550 ⇒ 00:13:34.648 Nicolas Sucari: The rest, I think, is great. And then if we wanna use
153 00:13:35.370 ⇒ 00:13:45.920 Nicolas Sucari: the each of the each of us like each page for each of us to add some more information. I mean, I don’t know if we have like any information that we need to share between all of us.
154 00:13:46.330 ⇒ 00:13:51.940 Nicolas Sucari: Maybe if you wanna create that gallery view, having like a picture or something, should work
155 00:13:54.270 ⇒ 00:13:54.809 Nicolas Sucari: at the end.
156 00:13:54.810 ⇒ 00:14:00.809 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, I think, I think when we end up, when when we end up, actually like having someone in the process.
157 00:14:00.840 ⇒ 00:14:01.870 Uttam Kumaran: my case.
158 00:14:02.050 ⇒ 00:14:11.909 Uttam Kumaran: there’s gonna be some period of time now where we don’t have it like an active client where we need a person. I think the only thing Nico, is like. If we can find a great analyst for pull parts.
159 00:14:12.150 ⇒ 00:14:19.050 Uttam Kumaran: I would consider I would consider them. But other than that, I think, for the most part all of our clients now are.
160 00:14:19.110 ⇒ 00:14:26.833 Uttam Kumaran: I feel, the only other person I would be. But there’s 2 things one is like, I just want to build a good rolodex over the next few weeks.
161 00:14:27.280 ⇒ 00:14:33.289 Uttam Kumaran: and then, as soon as we actually have a need, we’re looking to fill basically the process that I’ve seen work really well is like, we started slack channel
162 00:14:33.838 ⇒ 00:14:35.879 Uttam Kumaran: just around that specific person
163 00:14:35.980 ⇒ 00:14:39.889 Uttam Kumaran: we can also agree on like a rubric, and then basically have like.
164 00:14:41.400 ⇒ 00:14:44.600 Uttam Kumaran: just like, have a process that we can go through with schedule. And
165 00:14:44.970 ⇒ 00:14:48.199 Uttam Kumaran: you know, and again, we’ll start to beef up also, if we want to do
166 00:14:48.310 ⇒ 00:14:52.299 Uttam Kumaran: technical interviews or stuff like that. We’ll kind of start to centralize everything here. So
167 00:14:52.830 ⇒ 00:14:53.700 Uttam Kumaran: right.
168 00:14:53.700 ⇒ 00:15:01.680 Nicolas Sucari: And are we gonna use? Because I I know you’ve used him before. But like another, yeah, some partner to look for.
169 00:15:01.880 ⇒ 00:15:06.679 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, so I, yeah. So you know, in the past, we’ve used
170 00:15:07.130 ⇒ 00:15:10.319 Uttam Kumaran: several methods. So actually, like, let we can actually talk about.
171 00:15:10.650 ⇒ 00:15:13.583 Uttam Kumaran: I’ll just put a note down about that
172 00:15:15.680 ⇒ 00:15:17.840 Uttam Kumaran: kind of about like source.
173 00:15:17.890 ⇒ 00:15:21.060 Uttam Kumaran: I don’t know. I’ll just. I’m just gonna put some thoughts here.
174 00:15:21.220 ⇒ 00:15:22.460 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah.
175 00:15:22.630 ⇒ 00:15:24.550 Uttam Kumaran: or just recruiting channels.
176 00:15:26.190 ⇒ 00:15:28.210 Uttam Kumaran: So some of these are just like.
177 00:15:30.240 ⇒ 00:15:33.359 Uttam Kumaran: warm referrals like friends.
178 00:15:33.780 ⇒ 00:15:36.289 Uttam Kumaran: Some of these are, gonna be like
179 00:15:36.800 ⇒ 00:15:38.570 Uttam Kumaran: communities.
180 00:15:39.160 ⇒ 00:15:40.489 Uttam Kumaran: It’s gonna be slack
181 00:15:40.880 ⇒ 00:15:42.530 Uttam Kumaran: in person
182 00:15:42.850 ⇒ 00:15:44.090 Uttam Kumaran: discord.
183 00:15:46.260 ⇒ 00:15:48.526 Uttam Kumaran: Some of these are gonna be like,
184 00:15:49.290 ⇒ 00:15:52.369 Uttam Kumaran: like. What is this like? Talent agencies?
185 00:15:52.970 ⇒ 00:15:56.146 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah. So this is like, near. This is like,
186 00:15:58.100 ⇒ 00:16:03.210 Uttam Kumaran: this is like, yeah, etc. Some of these are gonna be actual other development
187 00:16:04.890 ⇒ 00:16:06.540 Uttam Kumaran: agencies.
188 00:16:06.950 ⇒ 00:16:09.900 Uttam Kumaran: So this is folks I’ve talked to blue people.
189 00:16:11.040 ⇒ 00:16:15.000 Uttam Kumaran: etc. This is like, actually imagine there’s a company like
190 00:16:15.290 ⇒ 00:16:16.270 Uttam Kumaran: Brain Forge.
191 00:16:16.270 ⇒ 00:16:16.889 Nicolas Sucari: Yeah, yeah.
192 00:16:16.890 ⇒ 00:16:23.010 Uttam Kumaran: Who has people, and then that’s it. Again. These people may not end up. These. These people will likely be to fill a part timey
193 00:16:23.210 ⇒ 00:16:25.850 Uttam Kumaran: or fill an external need. But again.
194 00:16:26.440 ⇒ 00:16:30.930 Uttam Kumaran: we we somehow find a way to go from like, what are the channels where we get people from?
195 00:16:31.353 ⇒ 00:16:33.059 Uttam Kumaran: So, yeah, I think these are like.
196 00:16:33.810 ⇒ 00:16:36.369 Uttam Kumaran: kind of like the main 4.
197 00:16:37.500 ⇒ 00:16:43.250 Uttam Kumaran: again, the biggest thing to keep aware here is like these, these are these are all like.
198 00:16:43.470 ⇒ 00:16:47.879 Uttam Kumaran: We have some indication of their talent, same with the development agencies.
199 00:16:48.000 ⇒ 00:16:53.150 Uttam Kumaran: The talent agencies are great, and I would, I would consider using me or another for another full time role.
200 00:16:53.260 ⇒ 00:16:59.432 Uttam Kumaran: The expense is high in terms of paying for the agencies, but they do. They take a lot of work off our plate so
201 00:17:00.010 ⇒ 00:17:01.550 Uttam Kumaran: We could totally consider that.
202 00:17:02.300 ⇒ 00:17:08.210 Nicolas Sucari: And creating a profile in network fiber, or any of those ones.
203 00:17:08.990 ⇒ 00:17:11.318 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, we can actually do that, too. So this is like,
204 00:17:12.180 ⇒ 00:17:15.539 Uttam Kumaran: like place. Yeah.
205 00:17:15.780 ⇒ 00:17:23.030 Uttam Kumaran: this is like upwork. I mean, I would totally be interested in this, too. We could put basically put the Jd there.
206 00:17:23.369 ⇒ 00:17:24.039 Nicolas Sucari: Yeah, exactly.
207 00:17:24.040 ⇒ 00:17:26.179 Uttam Kumaran: And have people apply for it. You know.
208 00:17:29.370 ⇒ 00:17:32.229 Uttam Kumaran: I’ve messaged some people that actually recently come up work. And
209 00:17:33.180 ⇒ 00:17:34.729 Uttam Kumaran: yeah, some some good people.
210 00:17:38.160 ⇒ 00:17:38.850 Nicolas Sucari: Yeah.
211 00:17:43.740 ⇒ 00:17:44.560 Uttam Kumaran: Cool
212 00:17:45.090 ⇒ 00:17:46.760 Uttam Kumaran: any questions.
213 00:17:49.430 ⇒ 00:17:50.509 Patrick Trainer: Say that again.
214 00:17:50.510 ⇒ 00:17:51.510 Uttam Kumaran: Any questions.
215 00:17:52.710 ⇒ 00:17:54.430 Patrick Trainer: Seems pretty straightforward to me.
216 00:17:58.030 ⇒ 00:18:00.480 Uttam Kumaran: I wanted to talk about
217 00:18:01.500 ⇒ 00:18:03.790 Uttam Kumaran: yeah. So maybe this week we can.
218 00:18:04.300 ⇒ 00:18:07.689 Uttam Kumaran: Or before the next meeting we can finalize like Jd’s for
219 00:18:07.710 ⇒ 00:18:13.420 Uttam Kumaran: the de analyst roles. I don’t know. I don’t wanna like. I don’t know, Pat, if you have any thoughts on.
220 00:18:13.710 ⇒ 00:18:15.198 Uttam Kumaran: I just don’t like
221 00:18:16.340 ⇒ 00:18:23.044 Uttam Kumaran: like these. I don’t just don’t wanna write a generic job description. I actually wanna make it very, very succinct
222 00:18:23.660 ⇒ 00:18:32.569 Uttam Kumaran: and clear about like, what clear about like the type of people we want and like the work we do less about like you need 10 years, or is arbitrary.
223 00:18:32.570 ⇒ 00:18:33.120 Patrick Trainer: Right.
224 00:18:33.120 ⇒ 00:18:38.135 Uttam Kumaran: Things like that. So we may have. We may have to think about what our format is.
225 00:18:38.670 ⇒ 00:18:44.150 Uttam Kumaran: I can’t like, I mean, and I think all of us probably have different perspectives on, like what it takes to
226 00:18:44.170 ⇒ 00:18:46.854 Uttam Kumaran: interview. But like I care very little about
227 00:18:47.660 ⇒ 00:18:52.000 Uttam Kumaran: like resonate past experience, like. I really look for people with like
228 00:18:52.300 ⇒ 00:18:56.120 Uttam Kumaran: who who can actually speak pretty easily to the projects they’ve done.
229 00:18:56.396 ⇒ 00:19:04.389 Uttam Kumaran: Who work with teams who have some level of like intensity. So those are the things that I want to try to suss out quickly and ideally. The job description
230 00:19:04.540 ⇒ 00:19:09.869 Uttam Kumaran: helps us do that. I don’t want the job. Shouldn’t just to be like basic AI generate emails.
231 00:19:09.870 ⇒ 00:19:12.670 Patrick Trainer: Like one thing that I think is
232 00:19:13.710 ⇒ 00:19:19.659 Patrick Trainer: like, regardless of the job description. We’re gonna get like thousands of applications.
233 00:19:19.660 ⇒ 00:19:20.430 Uttam Kumaran: Yes.
234 00:19:21.020 ⇒ 00:19:23.800 Patrick Trainer: And so it’s like, and
235 00:19:24.190 ⇒ 00:19:29.939 Patrick Trainer: maybe 10% of those are actually going to read the the job description.
236 00:19:30.400 ⇒ 00:19:31.900 Patrick Trainer: And so
237 00:19:33.200 ⇒ 00:19:34.510 Patrick Trainer: like, there’s.
238 00:19:34.600 ⇒ 00:19:37.930 Patrick Trainer: I mean just with hiring. There’s so much noise
239 00:19:38.420 ⇒ 00:19:39.850 Patrick Trainer: and
240 00:19:40.480 ⇒ 00:19:42.759 Patrick Trainer: going into signal like
241 00:19:43.980 ⇒ 00:19:47.987 Patrick Trainer: like, what? What even is that?
242 00:19:48.710 ⇒ 00:19:50.679 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, I mean, in some ways that people
243 00:19:50.870 ⇒ 00:19:52.636 Uttam Kumaran: people get around that is,
244 00:19:53.690 ⇒ 00:20:01.460 Uttam Kumaran: we could have, like, pretty basic qualification steps that are like send us a loom outlining Xyz.
245 00:20:02.480 ⇒ 00:20:03.290 Nicolas Sucari: Yeah.
246 00:20:03.290 ⇒ 00:20:03.800 Uttam Kumaran: Things like that.
247 00:20:03.800 ⇒ 00:20:05.010 Nicolas Sucari: And and.
248 00:20:05.010 ⇒ 00:20:06.040 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, that takes care of a couple.
249 00:20:06.040 ⇒ 00:20:06.520 Nicolas Sucari: More like.
250 00:20:06.520 ⇒ 00:20:12.049 Uttam Kumaran: Like easy things that you have to have read the job description, to know that, like some things like that.
251 00:20:12.270 ⇒ 00:20:13.090 Patrick Trainer: Yeah.
252 00:20:15.290 ⇒ 00:20:15.949 Patrick Trainer: yeah, I’m.
253 00:20:15.950 ⇒ 00:20:17.040 Nicolas Sucari: Yeah, also.
254 00:20:17.040 ⇒ 00:20:18.499 Patrick Trainer: If you want to post.
255 00:20:19.250 ⇒ 00:20:25.269 Nicolas Sucari: Yeah, if you know, post like jobs in opening in Linkedin or stuff, you can add kind of questions
256 00:20:25.520 ⇒ 00:20:35.220 Nicolas Sucari: for experience or some other type of questions that people need to go through before applying. And sometimes that helps also to filter down a little bit
257 00:20:35.380 ⇒ 00:20:39.409 Nicolas Sucari: like the just apply for all people. You know.
258 00:20:40.030 ⇒ 00:20:47.438 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah. And also, like, I’m I’m hoping that we start with these 3 channels. First, st because these are
259 00:20:48.640 ⇒ 00:20:56.260 Uttam Kumaran: and these are like, we are, we are actually going out and proactively messaging people. I actually prefer not to
260 00:20:56.380 ⇒ 00:20:58.469 Uttam Kumaran: go with these, or like.
261 00:20:58.500 ⇒ 00:21:03.619 Uttam Kumaran: do a Linkedin broad post, because we’re there’s no way we have the bandwidth to evaluate.
262 00:21:03.690 ⇒ 00:21:06.580 Uttam Kumaran: I want us to be on the asking end.
263 00:21:06.770 ⇒ 00:21:11.209 Uttam Kumaran: So like, for example, I’m going through my whole network and asking
264 00:21:11.250 ⇒ 00:21:15.499 Uttam Kumaran: for referrals. So until I exhaust that that’s the number one thing, because
265 00:21:15.660 ⇒ 00:21:26.880 Uttam Kumaran: I can get quickly on the phone with people. The second thing is, communities. If people are in slack are talking in the slack or a discord, it’s a good chance. They’re like smart. And they’re actually interested in this. So that’s a good
266 00:21:26.990 ⇒ 00:21:29.240 Uttam Kumaran: way to filter, and we reach out to them.
267 00:21:29.430 ⇒ 00:21:37.450 Uttam Kumaran: And same thing with development agencies like we’re reaching out to them asking for profiles. I also, I prefer to also go on Linkedin, and search for people like
268 00:21:38.180 ⇒ 00:21:42.850 Uttam Kumaran: look for people with a consulting background, and reach out to them directly, instead of just having a Jd. App.
269 00:21:43.510 ⇒ 00:21:45.809 Patrick Trainer: Right, I was gonna say like.
270 00:21:45.840 ⇒ 00:21:47.210 Patrick Trainer: so there’s
271 00:21:47.440 ⇒ 00:21:50.539 Patrick Trainer: like layoffs dot fyi! If.
272 00:21:50.540 ⇒ 00:21:51.489 Uttam Kumaran: You ever see.
273 00:21:51.490 ⇒ 00:21:58.920 Patrick Trainer: That a lot of companies post like lists of people that they’ve like let go.
274 00:21:59.300 ⇒ 00:22:03.879 Patrick Trainer: or people have like put their names on a on a spreadsheet.
275 00:22:03.880 ⇒ 00:22:04.590 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah.
276 00:22:05.420 ⇒ 00:22:09.241 Patrick Trainer: I say, we parse through that spreadsheet, and, like reach out directly.
277 00:22:09.690 ⇒ 00:22:16.960 Patrick Trainer: Do that, or every month, like hacker news. Post the like. Who wants to be hired. Thread.
278 00:22:16.960 ⇒ 00:22:17.710 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah.
279 00:22:17.710 ⇒ 00:22:19.480 Patrick Trainer: And and we look through that
280 00:22:22.490 ⇒ 00:22:26.139 Patrick Trainer: like everything else like, I know, there’s like
281 00:22:26.260 ⇒ 00:22:29.290 Patrick Trainer: like, there’s definitely good people out there looking.
282 00:22:29.290 ⇒ 00:22:30.060 Nicolas Sucari: Yeah, like.
283 00:22:30.060 ⇒ 00:22:33.010 Patrick Trainer: For sure, like of, of course. But then, like
284 00:22:33.070 ⇒ 00:22:34.910 Patrick Trainer: the amount of
285 00:22:35.000 ⇒ 00:22:37.649 Patrick Trainer: not good people out there looking to.
286 00:22:37.920 ⇒ 00:22:39.020 Patrick Trainer: is
287 00:22:39.960 ⇒ 00:22:42.750 Patrick Trainer: it like? Is is is high as well.
288 00:22:43.100 ⇒ 00:22:44.832 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah. And and I don’t have any
289 00:22:45.190 ⇒ 00:22:50.050 Uttam Kumaran: I will. I will gladly say no a thousand times until we find the best person.
290 00:22:50.050 ⇒ 00:22:50.450 Patrick Trainer: Right.
291 00:22:50.804 ⇒ 00:22:53.639 Uttam Kumaran: So I don’t want it to be like
292 00:22:54.350 ⇒ 00:22:59.409 Uttam Kumaran: I’d rather it be we reach. Do the reach out instead of it, like comes to us.
293 00:22:59.410 ⇒ 00:23:01.650 Patrick Trainer: Exactly. And so that’s why
294 00:23:02.190 ⇒ 00:23:03.970 Patrick Trainer: or that’s why I’m thinking of like.
295 00:23:04.350 ⇒ 00:23:07.589 Patrick Trainer: where are we going to find like? Where can we bias
296 00:23:07.790 ⇒ 00:23:08.890 Patrick Trainer: our
297 00:23:09.170 ⇒ 00:23:16.810 Patrick Trainer: like the stones that we turn over to find, like the best people, rather than like, wait for the best person to find us.
298 00:23:16.810 ⇒ 00:23:23.849 Uttam Kumaran: Well, that’s why I like like people talking community. Because, for example, I I just like saw Augustine talking in like a Dbt slack, and I messaged.
299 00:23:24.390 ⇒ 00:23:27.310 Patrick Trainer: Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That’s that’s like, that’s.
300 00:23:27.310 ⇒ 00:23:32.259 Uttam Kumaran: So that’s so. That’s what I know is like, I know, that’s those are signals of like, oh, people actually
301 00:23:32.840 ⇒ 00:23:38.250 Uttam Kumaran: like are deeper, like one layer deeper. They’re in these things so like, that’s the set of stuff I want to try to go through.
302 00:23:38.320 ⇒ 00:23:43.179 Uttam Kumaran: So we should. I mean, I want to think about like, what even like our process looks like is definitely
303 00:23:43.690 ⇒ 00:23:45.420 Uttam Kumaran: we. We need to have some
304 00:23:45.780 ⇒ 00:23:48.620 Uttam Kumaran: like asic sort of qualification stuff
305 00:23:48.950 ⇒ 00:23:51.280 Uttam Kumaran: unless it’s like, unless it’s like a warm
306 00:23:51.580 ⇒ 00:23:52.720 Uttam Kumaran: person
307 00:23:53.406 ⇒ 00:24:01.310 Uttam Kumaran: we’re just. I just don’t want every one of us to be in, like many 30 min interviews where we we have 5 min, and we realize like it’s not a fit.
308 00:24:01.670 ⇒ 00:24:02.430 Uttam Kumaran: So.
309 00:24:02.430 ⇒ 00:24:04.730 Patrick Trainer: The the whole like
310 00:24:06.050 ⇒ 00:24:08.369 Patrick Trainer: type computer into the name.
311 00:24:08.370 ⇒ 00:24:09.560 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, if you’re.
312 00:24:09.560 ⇒ 00:24:10.190 Patrick Trainer: Like
313 00:24:10.410 ⇒ 00:24:13.210 Patrick Trainer: subject email, like, I hate that
314 00:24:13.320 ⇒ 00:24:16.289 Patrick Trainer: just because it’s it’s I mean, you don’t.
315 00:24:16.670 ⇒ 00:24:17.470 Uttam Kumaran: No! No! Totally.
316 00:24:17.470 ⇒ 00:24:19.970 Patrick Trainer: It’s yeah. It’s not a reading comprehension
317 00:24:20.501 ⇒ 00:24:24.010 Patrick Trainer: thing. It’s but for the job interview.
318 00:24:24.180 ⇒ 00:24:27.100 Patrick Trainer: But and I know most people like.
319 00:24:27.570 ⇒ 00:24:29.959 Patrick Trainer: or a lot of people don’t have like
320 00:24:30.490 ⇒ 00:24:33.590 Patrick Trainer: Github activity or anything like that.
321 00:24:34.010 ⇒ 00:24:41.050 Patrick Trainer: But it’s like I, strong. I I have a strong bias towards that. Just be that it provides like a lot of signal
322 00:24:42.148 ⇒ 00:24:44.740 Patrick Trainer: and that we’re looking for
323 00:24:46.060 ⇒ 00:24:55.599 Patrick Trainer: like more experience type people so like, that’s kind of what I’m thinking towards. But then at, at, like, at the others on the other side of the coin, like.
324 00:24:56.290 ⇒ 00:25:00.149 Patrick Trainer: if people are working at their job like, they may not
325 00:25:00.610 ⇒ 00:25:01.430 Patrick Trainer: be
326 00:25:01.860 ⇒ 00:25:07.979 Patrick Trainer: submitting shit to Github like on personal projects on the on the weekend, or during the week.
327 00:25:08.340 ⇒ 00:25:12.309 Uttam Kumaran: But at minimum, we we want to know, like a couple of things we want to know, that you’ve worked
328 00:25:12.810 ⇒ 00:25:21.839 Uttam Kumaran: with data warehouses like you’ve worked on on X type of team like those are the things where simple, like yes or no, yes or no answers. We can get
329 00:25:21.880 ⇒ 00:25:26.850 Uttam Kumaran: so minimum. We? We want people that have worked with like either snowflake bigquery.
330 00:25:27.160 ⇒ 00:25:27.900 Patrick Trainer: Right.
331 00:25:28.502 ⇒ 00:25:30.910 Uttam Kumaran: Or with databricks. Yeah.
332 00:25:34.790 ⇒ 00:25:41.210 Uttam Kumaran: I mean, yeah, ideally, we have everybody that’s everybody’s done something with. Dbt, as like a large enough filter.
333 00:25:42.899 ⇒ 00:25:45.949 Uttam Kumaran: I would, I would ask, totally ask for Github.
334 00:25:46.817 ⇒ 00:25:55.359 Uttam Kumaran: I don’t, really. I don’t really care about a resume as as long as their linkedin’s up to date, but I don’t. I don’t want to sit. I don’t want to even like spend any time looking at that.
335 00:25:55.360 ⇒ 00:25:56.650 Patrick Trainer: Right like.
336 00:25:56.875 ⇒ 00:25:57.549 Uttam Kumaran: Kind of like.
337 00:25:57.550 ⇒ 00:26:03.280 Patrick Trainer: When I, when I think about it, or how I’ve interviewed in the past, is
338 00:26:03.550 ⇒ 00:26:04.770 Patrick Trainer: I
339 00:26:05.600 ⇒ 00:26:12.440 Patrick Trainer: not do like a like a live coding session like, where you’re like, solve this fucking riddle or this
340 00:26:13.320 ⇒ 00:26:20.019 Patrick Trainer: bullshit. But like, let’s go through a code review process and
341 00:26:20.340 ⇒ 00:26:25.850 Patrick Trainer: where you basically like, you edit some code, or you make a suggestion.
342 00:26:26.150 ⇒ 00:26:31.609 Patrick Trainer: You write a commit, you push a commit like. Do you know how to use Github.
343 00:26:31.610 ⇒ 00:26:32.200 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah.
344 00:26:32.280 ⇒ 00:26:34.150 Patrick Trainer: And you push a commit.
345 00:26:34.260 ⇒ 00:26:36.510 Patrick Trainer: and then we
346 00:26:38.050 ⇒ 00:26:48.469 Patrick Trainer: you submit the pull request. We review the poll and then, like merge it like, do you know, like a basic developer workflow. And like that
347 00:26:48.620 ⇒ 00:26:51.949 Patrick Trainer: filters out like 90% of the applications?
348 00:26:56.470 ⇒ 00:27:02.260 Patrick Trainer: and it’s also it’s like, it’s not stressful in the sense that, like you’re trying to.
349 00:27:02.260 ⇒ 00:27:05.859 Uttam Kumaran: We can also people fork one of our repos to like, do the exercise.
350 00:27:05.860 ⇒ 00:27:07.180 Patrick Trainer: Right? Exactly.
351 00:27:08.044 ⇒ 00:27:11.429 Patrick Trainer: Yeah. Fort change. Make a change.
352 00:27:11.920 ⇒ 00:27:13.290 Patrick Trainer: pull request.
353 00:27:14.060 ⇒ 00:27:14.549 Patrick Trainer: and then.
354 00:27:14.550 ⇒ 00:27:17.409 Uttam Kumaran: Oh, we’ll do, do. We can run it on. We could have like, duck, TV,
355 00:27:17.600 ⇒ 00:27:22.509 Uttam Kumaran: yeah, and the repo and be like, change this model to be this, and it’s all wrapped into one repo. Yeah.
356 00:27:22.510 ⇒ 00:27:23.960 Patrick Trainer: Everything’s wrapped there.
357 00:27:24.450 ⇒ 00:27:27.230 Patrick Trainer: The Dbt project reads from Duckdb
358 00:27:27.500 ⇒ 00:27:28.680 Patrick Trainer: of
359 00:27:30.440 ⇒ 00:27:33.249 Patrick Trainer: yeah, they do some debugging thing.
360 00:27:35.150 ⇒ 00:27:37.289 Patrick Trainer: Make the make the Pr.
361 00:27:37.540 ⇒ 00:27:39.310 Patrick Trainer: Review it, merge it.
362 00:27:40.030 ⇒ 00:27:41.390 Patrick Trainer: and.
363 00:27:42.640 ⇒ 00:27:43.450 Nicolas Sucari: Also, we can.
364 00:27:43.450 ⇒ 00:27:45.330 Patrick Trainer: Depending through that. It’s like a conversation.
365 00:27:45.330 ⇒ 00:27:46.060 Nicolas Sucari: Yeah.
366 00:27:46.790 ⇒ 00:27:59.289 Nicolas Sucari: yeah, and depending on the role that we are looking, we, we can add different things. I mean, if we wanna check something on the like an analysis or something to work on visualization tools. We can add something for that.
367 00:27:59.700 ⇒ 00:28:01.170 Nicolas Sucari: Yeah, that would be great.
368 00:28:04.970 ⇒ 00:28:06.959 Patrick Trainer: Yeah, it’s like something like.
369 00:28:08.000 ⇒ 00:28:11.949 Patrick Trainer: like, I don’t. I like, I care less about people’s like.
370 00:28:12.850 ⇒ 00:28:18.320 Patrick Trainer: Oh, in your past job you saved your company 30 grand by.
371 00:28:19.110 ⇒ 00:28:19.860 Nicolas Sucari: Like.
372 00:28:20.620 ⇒ 00:28:26.800 Patrick Trainer: Adding a comma here and there like who fucking cares and like it’s more like.
373 00:28:26.870 ⇒ 00:28:28.980 Patrick Trainer: do you know what you’re doing?
374 00:28:28.980 ⇒ 00:28:29.700 Nicolas Sucari: Ha! Yeah.
375 00:28:30.160 ⇒ 00:28:31.200 Nicolas Sucari: you know how to.
376 00:28:31.200 ⇒ 00:28:35.072 Patrick Trainer: Are you? Are you like cool to work with like?
377 00:28:35.790 ⇒ 00:28:36.810 Patrick Trainer: Make sure you’re not.
378 00:28:36.810 ⇒ 00:28:37.709 Uttam Kumaran: So that’s also.
379 00:28:37.710 ⇒ 00:28:40.250 Patrick Trainer: And make sure you know what you’re doing like. That’s it.
380 00:28:40.540 ⇒ 00:28:45.960 Uttam Kumaran: And that’s the biggest thing is like since we each of us have, like, I think, distinct areas for me. I always
381 00:28:46.260 ⇒ 00:28:52.179 Uttam Kumaran: I interview for like a sense of like agency. And I try to quickly find out, like.
382 00:28:53.020 ⇒ 00:28:56.349 Uttam Kumaran: how this person’s gonna fit into our team, but less about like.
383 00:28:56.550 ⇒ 00:29:02.010 Uttam Kumaran: alright, have you used like a task tracking system, or like, are you used to working with other people in slack? That’s
384 00:29:02.080 ⇒ 00:29:03.840 Uttam Kumaran: I’m like asking people like.
385 00:29:04.390 ⇒ 00:29:06.790 Uttam Kumaran: Tell me about how you solve issues with with.
386 00:29:06.790 ⇒ 00:29:07.160 Patrick Trainer: Right.
387 00:29:07.160 ⇒ 00:29:10.380 Uttam Kumaran: We don’t agree with, like, I’m trying to find out like, are these people that
388 00:29:10.920 ⇒ 00:29:17.830 Uttam Kumaran: you know, have this level of intensity and like agency. So I’ll but that’s what my interview is going to be mostly about
389 00:29:18.170 ⇒ 00:29:21.370 Uttam Kumaran: the technical I want it to be. I want it to be like.
390 00:29:21.590 ⇒ 00:29:26.670 Uttam Kumaran: if if you’re like, this person’s technical good, then me and Nico don’t have to like interview for that.
391 00:29:26.830 ⇒ 00:29:30.399 Uttam Kumaran: But each of us I want to introduce with some level of behavioral
392 00:29:30.430 ⇒ 00:29:36.471 Uttam Kumaran: cause that that’s also like where we sell like. Why, we’re right. This is a place to work. But
393 00:29:37.250 ⇒ 00:29:40.050 Uttam Kumaran: I do think on the Nico, I think, is gonna own, like
394 00:29:40.570 ⇒ 00:29:42.629 Uttam Kumaran: is like, is this someone that can
395 00:29:42.640 ⇒ 00:29:45.609 Uttam Kumaran: fold like nicely into any team?
396 00:29:45.660 ⇒ 00:29:47.200 Uttam Kumaran: It’s a stressful like
397 00:29:47.230 ⇒ 00:29:48.685 Uttam Kumaran: kind of projects.
398 00:29:49.270 ⇒ 00:29:51.639 Uttam Kumaran: it’s like, attentive. And like, yeah.
399 00:29:52.400 ⇒ 00:29:53.070 Patrick Trainer: Right.
400 00:29:57.180 ⇒ 00:30:01.870 Nicolas Sucari: Yeah, probably, as I don’t know the technical side of things, I would.
401 00:30:01.940 ⇒ 00:30:06.480 Nicolas Sucari: Yeah, look more if in the in the communication side and that kind of stuff.
402 00:30:06.520 ⇒ 00:30:08.129 Nicolas Sucari: However, we think
403 00:30:08.210 ⇒ 00:30:10.320 Nicolas Sucari: it’s gonna fit our team.
404 00:30:10.340 ⇒ 00:30:15.519 Nicolas Sucari: and maybe they can leave all of the technical stuff to you. But or yeah, somewhere else.
405 00:30:15.890 ⇒ 00:30:16.620 Nicolas Sucari: Yeah.
406 00:30:19.130 ⇒ 00:30:24.289 Uttam Kumaran: Okay. So what I’m gonna do is like, try to put together some sort of rubric for this.
407 00:30:24.911 ⇒ 00:30:30.148 Uttam Kumaran: But I think this is enough to at least start with. I think we will think about what a
408 00:30:31.500 ⇒ 00:30:34.000 Uttam Kumaran: like for folks that don’t come through
409 00:30:34.610 ⇒ 00:30:36.399 Uttam Kumaran: like one of these.
410 00:30:36.930 ⇒ 00:30:41.759 Uttam Kumaran: I want them to try to go through this like sort of form process, where they submit their github.
411 00:30:42.040 ⇒ 00:30:49.710 Uttam Kumaran: whether they know these these sorts of things, yes or no. And like they give us this info. This is folks reaching out if we get inbound.
412 00:30:49.730 ⇒ 00:30:55.830 Uttam Kumaran: If we’re doing the if we’re going after people, this is how we’re gonna basically try to qualify
413 00:30:57.470 ⇒ 00:31:00.614 Uttam Kumaran: But I think this is a good enough place to start
414 00:31:02.990 ⇒ 00:31:04.490 Uttam Kumaran: Anything
415 00:31:05.250 ⇒ 00:31:09.009 Uttam Kumaran: else. We want to chat about recruiting more so. I don’t think I have anybody
416 00:31:09.030 ⇒ 00:31:11.309 Uttam Kumaran: this week. I think the only person.
417 00:31:11.630 ⇒ 00:31:14.491 Uttam Kumaran: Pat I wanted to connect you with
418 00:31:15.560 ⇒ 00:31:16.740 Uttam Kumaran: Emily.
419 00:31:17.388 ⇒ 00:31:18.620 Patrick Trainer: Yeah, you mentioned that.
420 00:31:18.620 ⇒ 00:31:19.640 Uttam Kumaran: Put her.
421 00:31:20.170 ⇒ 00:31:24.580 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, I should put her. I’ll put her linkedin in here. But maybe I’ll make the
422 00:31:25.170 ⇒ 00:31:31.649 Uttam Kumaran: I’ll make the introduction where I mean, I I was gonna I want I wanted to wait until we kind of like have a little bit of a process. But
423 00:31:31.720 ⇒ 00:31:49.510 Uttam Kumaran: I don’t want her. I’ve talked to her like 2 weeks ago, so I think it’s worth just chatting. I think mainly she just. She seems really really senior, but I think she asked me really, really good questions about the business and stuff. I think now that you I saw like your roadmap for the platform, I think it’d be really cool for you to talk to her about that
424 00:31:49.760 ⇒ 00:31:53.120 Uttam Kumaran: again. I think. Where I told her that we
425 00:31:53.450 ⇒ 00:31:58.450 Uttam Kumaran: I asked her. She’s worked kind of like full stack and data. She was like, she’s most interested in like
426 00:31:58.530 ⇒ 00:32:03.179 Uttam Kumaran: data analysis. But like kind of like the data analysis stuff that we want, which is like
427 00:32:03.620 ⇒ 00:32:07.119 Uttam Kumaran: someone was like, gonna go out and chase questions like.
428 00:32:07.290 ⇒ 00:32:11.009 Uttam Kumaran: not like dashboarding. And I’ve made it made that very, very clear.
429 00:32:11.320 ⇒ 00:32:17.820 Uttam Kumaran: So, but I don’t know. I think she’s she seems like a really like a holistic person. So I’ll connect you with her, and then
430 00:32:18.130 ⇒ 00:32:27.899 Uttam Kumaran: Let’s keep working on this. I think it’s we’re gonna we’re gonna end up talking about this every week. And then hopefully, as things get more ironed out, this will be like, maybe once a month. But recruiting has.
431 00:32:28.170 ⇒ 00:32:32.149 Uttam Kumaran: It’s is like it’s it’s just one of the things we’re gonna have to do
432 00:32:32.590 ⇒ 00:32:39.709 Uttam Kumaran: for the life of the company. Like, it’s just never gonna stop. So I want to make it as seamless and like we push
433 00:32:39.970 ⇒ 00:32:43.740 Uttam Kumaran: push the ambiguity into like a shared Doc like this, you know, in a rewrite.
434 00:32:43.860 ⇒ 00:32:45.480 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, right?
435 00:32:46.020 ⇒ 00:32:49.610 Patrick Trainer: One of the names on there. Ari stern. Why do I? Who is that? Why.
436 00:32:50.107 ⇒ 00:32:53.339 Uttam Kumaran: Ari is like a we work friend of ours, and he’s in a.
437 00:32:53.340 ⇒ 00:32:54.529 Patrick Trainer: It. He’s in the group. Chat.
438 00:32:54.530 ⇒ 00:32:56.389 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, I think he’s in the group chat, too. Yeah.
439 00:32:56.390 ⇒ 00:32:57.990 Patrick Trainer: Okay. Fuck, all right.
440 00:32:57.990 ⇒ 00:33:02.490 Uttam Kumaran: So. Ari Bryce, the only people that aren’t Mike isn’t here.
441 00:33:02.976 ⇒ 00:33:10.459 Uttam Kumaran: I’m the one I wanted to ask Mike if he could do some like writing for us actually asked him last year, but we didn’t have any of the blog stuff set up.
442 00:33:10.550 ⇒ 00:33:12.541 Uttam Kumaran: But I want Mike to do some like
443 00:33:13.190 ⇒ 00:33:19.469 Uttam Kumaran: like, I want Mike to publish some stuff through the brain forge like through our channels and like ghost and like, not ghost, right? But guess right?
444 00:33:19.700 ⇒ 00:33:20.593 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, like
445 00:33:21.450 ⇒ 00:33:23.370 Uttam Kumaran: do, guest posts and stuff.
446 00:33:25.750 ⇒ 00:33:26.750 Uttam Kumaran: but yeah.
447 00:33:27.140 ⇒ 00:33:27.790 Patrick Trainer: Cool.
448 00:33:29.680 ⇒ 00:33:30.270 Patrick Trainer: I think.
449 00:33:30.270 ⇒ 00:33:36.869 Nicolas Sucari: We are. We are missing here in this team. Roy, I don’t. I? I can see Roy here.
450 00:33:36.870 ⇒ 00:33:38.377 Uttam Kumaran: Yes, we are
451 00:33:38.880 ⇒ 00:33:40.310 Patrick Trainer: Abigail’s missing, too.
452 00:33:41.710 ⇒ 00:33:43.160 Uttam Kumaran: Oh, really, yeah.
453 00:33:44.310 ⇒ 00:33:45.420 Uttam Kumaran: no, it’s good.
454 00:33:45.880 ⇒ 00:33:47.173 Uttam Kumaran: Okay, great.
455 00:33:55.180 ⇒ 00:33:56.570 Uttam Kumaran: Oh, that’s good.
456 00:34:04.990 ⇒ 00:34:05.640 Uttam Kumaran: Like.
457 00:34:11.199 ⇒ 00:34:12.100 Uttam Kumaran: awesome.
458 00:34:12.440 ⇒ 00:34:13.650 Uttam Kumaran: Okay, guys.
459 00:34:13.969 ⇒ 00:34:15.810 Uttam Kumaran: that’s it. Pretty simple.
460 00:34:16.320 ⇒ 00:34:17.010 Patrick Trainer: Sweet.
461 00:34:19.530 ⇒ 00:34:20.239 Patrick Trainer: cool.
462 00:34:20.500 ⇒ 00:34:21.819 Uttam Kumaran: Chat with everyone, slack.
463 00:34:22.489 ⇒ 00:34:23.309 Patrick Trainer: Sounds good.
464 00:34:23.500 ⇒ 00:34:24.290 Uttam Kumaran: Alright guys
465 00:34:24.995 ⇒ 00:34:25.520 Uttam Kumaran: yep.
466 00:34:25.520 ⇒ 00:34:26.210 Patrick Trainer: Later.
467 00:34:26.770 ⇒ 00:34:27.440 Nicolas Sucari: All right.