Meeting Title: Uttam <> Miguel-Weekly Date: 2024-09-26 Meeting participants: Joshuadeveyra, Uttam Kumaran
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1 00:01:18.760 ⇒ 00:01:19.770 Uttam Kumaran: Hey, Miguel.
2 00:01:22.700 ⇒ 00:01:23.399 joshuadeveyra: Hello! Hello!
3 00:01:24.420 ⇒ 00:01:25.640 Uttam Kumaran: Hey? How’s everything?
4 00:01:26.532 ⇒ 00:01:29.419 joshuadeveyra: Yeah, doing pretty good. So far, we
5 00:01:29.860 ⇒ 00:01:31.389 joshuadeveyra: technically got it done.
6 00:01:32.020 ⇒ 00:01:32.505 Uttam Kumaran: Nice.
7 00:01:33.820 ⇒ 00:01:35.937 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, I just wanted to set up
8 00:01:36.360 ⇒ 00:01:40.150 Uttam Kumaran: like, I set up one on ones with everybody on the team. But basically.
9 00:01:40.240 ⇒ 00:01:53.047 Uttam Kumaran: you know, I know, last time we had a really great conversation just about the business and stuff. So I know most of our meetings are about work. So these meetings are basically for you. So anything you want to ask me or any questions you have.
10 00:01:53.720 ⇒ 00:01:57.845 Uttam Kumaran: I’m happy to answer. Of course, we can talk about normal work stuff, too, but.
11 00:02:01.100 ⇒ 00:02:02.550 joshuadeveyra: Yeah, okay? Sure.
12 00:02:02.730 ⇒ 00:02:04.000 joshuadeveyra: I think
13 00:02:04.040 ⇒ 00:02:09.199 joshuadeveyra: I’m not sure but there’s like, cause I was running the script right for.
14 00:02:09.479 ⇒ 00:02:13.539 joshuadeveyra: And why? I think for work for 1st of, oh, yeah, just for work.
15 00:02:13.540 ⇒ 00:02:14.060 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, yeah.
16 00:02:14.060 ⇒ 00:02:15.500 joshuadeveyra: Can the true one error.
17 00:02:15.900 ⇒ 00:02:16.530 Uttam Kumaran: Okay.
18 00:02:17.170 ⇒ 00:02:24.359 joshuadeveyra: Yeah, I’m gonna check browser base. If you know if it’s there, maybe we run out of runs already.
19 00:02:24.530 ⇒ 00:02:25.160 joshuadeveyra: or browser.
20 00:02:25.160 ⇒ 00:02:25.910 Uttam Kumaran: Okay.
21 00:02:26.030 ⇒ 00:02:26.800 Uttam Kumaran: okay.
22 00:02:29.065 ⇒ 00:02:30.410 Uttam Kumaran: limit.
23 00:02:31.220 ⇒ 00:02:32.780 joshuadeveyra: Yeah, maybe we need to.
24 00:02:33.180 ⇒ 00:02:34.340 joshuadeveyra: Oh.
25 00:02:35.210 ⇒ 00:02:36.929 joshuadeveyra: yeah, so far.
26 00:02:38.168 ⇒ 00:02:45.070 joshuadeveyra: Do. I have like any questions? Oh, yeah, about the pr, the github thing, because that’s I’m a bit confused about like, what are we trying to achieve? There.
27 00:02:45.600 ⇒ 00:02:50.950 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah. So in github have you mentioned? Have you ever used github before?
28 00:02:51.550 ⇒ 00:02:52.760 joshuadeveyra: Hey? Always.
29 00:02:53.050 ⇒ 00:02:57.486 Uttam Kumaran: Okay? So you know, when you put, have you ever? But have you ever created like a pull request?
30 00:02:58.080 ⇒ 00:03:01.920 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah. So when when you do a pull request. Usually you get a reviewed by somebody.
31 00:03:02.410 ⇒ 00:03:05.759 Uttam Kumaran: We’re basically trying to build an AI reviewer.
32 00:03:07.052 ⇒ 00:03:08.409 joshuadeveyra: I see. Okay.
33 00:03:08.900 ⇒ 00:03:11.560 Uttam Kumaran: So for us, like we have we, for
34 00:03:11.580 ⇒ 00:03:28.470 Uttam Kumaran: you know, a lot of the code we write is SQL, so we already have SQL. Guidelines already written down about like how sequel should be formatted? What are the common errors? So? And and typically, what happens is when you, when you have a Pr. You. You wait for somebody else to review like me or Patrick.
35 00:03:28.470 ⇒ 00:03:41.850 Uttam Kumaran: but like I’m always busy, and or someone’s busy. Also, you may have missed just like super super small issues, right? That we wanna we wanna basically pass the code
36 00:03:42.430 ⇒ 00:03:45.080 Uttam Kumaran: the context of the problem.
37 00:03:45.795 ⇒ 00:03:47.670 Uttam Kumaran: to open AI
38 00:03:48.240 ⇒ 00:03:49.450 Uttam Kumaran: and then
39 00:03:49.560 ⇒ 00:03:52.769 Uttam Kumaran: basically request for
40 00:03:54.460 ⇒ 00:03:57.020 Uttam Kumaran: like basically request for feedback
41 00:03:57.210 ⇒ 00:03:59.910 Uttam Kumaran: and then have that as a blocking step.
42 00:03:59.990 ⇒ 00:04:02.830 Uttam Kumaran: I think what we’ll probably end up doing is
43 00:04:03.250 ⇒ 00:04:07.980 Uttam Kumaran: that’ll be the start. And then eventually, hopefully, once we have enough.
44 00:04:08.330 ⇒ 00:04:15.199 Uttam Kumaran: like Pr reviews and things like that, we can actually build something that actually writes the code for us. So this is like the 1st step in that process.
45 00:04:16.529 ⇒ 00:04:20.609 joshuadeveyra: Oh, okay, are we like writing? Are we using like an agent for that? Or just.
46 00:04:22.115 ⇒ 00:04:29.450 Uttam Kumaran: This is what I’m gonna see what how Ryan has it set up in the meeting, because I actually haven’t looked into it.
47 00:04:30.362 ⇒ 00:04:31.480 joshuadeveyra: Okay. Okay. Yeah.
48 00:04:32.450 ⇒ 00:04:32.880 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah.
49 00:04:34.490 ⇒ 00:04:36.560 joshuadeveyra: Okay, yeah. I think that’s a good idea.
50 00:04:37.490 ⇒ 00:04:39.849 joshuadeveyra: Timed out. Oh, timed out.
51 00:04:40.960 ⇒ 00:04:42.890 Uttam Kumaran: Huh! Oh, find out!
52 00:04:43.500 ⇒ 00:04:44.680 joshuadeveyra: Yeah.
53 00:04:45.130 ⇒ 00:04:45.770 joshuadeveyra: wait.
54 00:04:46.290 ⇒ 00:04:57.140 joshuadeveyra: I’m gonna check it later after the call. But yeah, I think that’s pretty much like all of it. Like, do we have like any new clients coming in? Were you able to sign anyone or not? Yet.
55 00:04:57.500 ⇒ 00:05:04.609 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah. So we’re just now. Actually, this is what I’ll also share with you on Friday is we’re working with Ericsson and this team to basically do
56 00:05:04.720 ⇒ 00:05:06.309 Uttam Kumaran: all of the outbound
57 00:05:07.111 ⇒ 00:05:09.709 Uttam Kumaran: so we have, like, I have, like
58 00:05:10.152 ⇒ 00:05:15.629 Uttam Kumaran: leads into one client, one other client right now, and another client that I’m working on
59 00:05:16.053 ⇒ 00:05:19.190 Uttam Kumaran: but I think next month should be a lot bigger.
60 00:05:19.420 ⇒ 00:05:25.629 Uttam Kumaran: And then, you know, we’re we’re also working on a lot of stuff in the copywriting side so hopefully, as soon as Vitaco
61 00:05:25.880 ⇒ 00:05:31.860 Uttam Kumaran: it’s like done. We can write a case study in a blog post and start to start to also go after other clients. There.
62 00:05:32.250 ⇒ 00:05:33.130 joshuadeveyra: Yeah.
63 00:05:33.350 ⇒ 00:05:36.060 Uttam Kumaran: We can basically be like, Hey, we work for vitacoco.
64 00:05:36.130 ⇒ 00:05:42.220 Uttam Kumaran: They are in target. And this find all companies that are like that and then send them an email. You know.
65 00:05:42.610 ⇒ 00:05:43.670 joshuadeveyra: Oh, yeah, yeah.
66 00:05:46.520 ⇒ 00:05:48.150 joshuadeveyra: okay, yeah. I think
67 00:05:48.370 ⇒ 00:05:53.750 joshuadeveyra: I’ll talk to one of my uncles because I think he’s running like some supply chain. He’s in Allen, by the way, not in
68 00:05:53.810 ⇒ 00:05:55.520 joshuadeveyra: Austin, is in Allen.
69 00:05:55.520 ⇒ 00:05:56.700 Uttam Kumaran: Oh, okay. Okay. Okay.
70 00:05:57.040 ⇒ 00:06:03.500 joshuadeveyra: So I think there, maybe I he mentioned he he does something for target before, so I’ll maybe we can connect with him.
71 00:06:04.510 ⇒ 00:06:05.709 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, maybe, like.
72 00:06:05.910 ⇒ 00:06:10.610 Uttam Kumaran: you know, once we’re done you, you I mean, you know the whole project. So you can tell him everything we’re working on.
73 00:06:11.150 ⇒ 00:06:12.630 joshuadeveyra: Yeah. Yeah. -Oh.
74 00:06:12.700 ⇒ 00:06:14.530 joshuadeveyra: I’ll get in touch with him.
75 00:06:17.950 ⇒ 00:06:23.290 joshuadeveyra: yeah, I think that’s pretty much the Hpi one was. Was there like any, you know, review for them.
76 00:06:23.290 ⇒ 00:06:28.689 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, I didn’t get to catch up with Scott. He was here for some other meetings, and then we ran out of time.
77 00:06:28.770 ⇒ 00:06:33.550 Uttam Kumaran: But I’m gonna call him today. Let’s just wait on that, because I want to see his feedback.
78 00:06:34.246 ⇒ 00:06:35.530 joshuadeveyra: Yeah, yeah, that makes sense.
79 00:06:35.790 ⇒ 00:06:41.429 Uttam Kumaran: So I think as soon as we’re good on, buy to cocoa, and as soon as we’re good on Hbi.
80 00:06:41.520 ⇒ 00:06:46.687 Uttam Kumaran: let’s continue on the sales sub. And then I then want you to actually work with
81 00:06:47.450 ⇒ 00:06:50.140 Uttam Kumaran: work with the team. So I I actually think,
82 00:06:50.600 ⇒ 00:06:59.140 Uttam Kumaran: the stuff. What we do one on Friday. I think it’d be great if you can run a poll, or we do a little bit of a brainstorm and figma, or something with everybody
83 00:06:59.190 ⇒ 00:07:10.859 Uttam Kumaran: about things they would like to automate in their job. Basically, I think the lowest hanging fruit is actually we we brought on Ryan, who’s handling all of our copywriting.
84 00:07:11.183 ⇒ 00:07:13.829 Uttam Kumaran: He’s using AI for some stuff. But I think
85 00:07:13.860 ⇒ 00:07:23.160 Uttam Kumaran: he could end up probably using a great multi agent system that has context about our business has context about a bunch of stuff to help him write those.
86 00:07:23.280 ⇒ 00:07:28.769 Uttam Kumaran: So I think it. That’d be a great project to work with him. He’s just kind of getting started, though, so I don’t want to overwhelm him.
87 00:07:28.930 ⇒ 00:07:38.889 Uttam Kumaran: but also, like he’s a lot of the questions about like our the way we talk the way we write about our business. I think that’s all stuff. We can just create an agent for
88 00:07:40.480 ⇒ 00:07:42.703 Uttam Kumaran: So maybe like after
89 00:07:43.500 ⇒ 00:07:45.890 Uttam Kumaran: I know we’re still looking into the sales hub.
90 00:07:45.930 ⇒ 00:07:52.300 Uttam Kumaran: but probably that and the I know the sales sub stuff is kind of waiting on me, looking at the super base. So
91 00:07:52.360 ⇒ 00:07:57.290 Uttam Kumaran: the other stuff like we can start talking to about maybe building like a blog
92 00:07:57.410 ⇒ 00:08:04.639 Uttam Kumaran: or like not even a writer agent. But it’s like, cause cause copywriting goes into everything we do right. It goes into
93 00:08:04.650 ⇒ 00:08:06.519 Uttam Kumaran: everything, from like the
94 00:08:06.750 ⇒ 00:08:20.020 Uttam Kumaran: outbound emails to the website, to the blogs, to twitter to the way we write emails, right? So kind of want to build like a holistic copy agent that knows that how to how we kind of conversate.
95 00:08:21.060 ⇒ 00:08:22.820 joshuadeveyra: Basically a Qa guy.
96 00:08:23.760 ⇒ 00:08:28.730 Uttam Kumaran: Exactly, but also something that like can help. You generate new ideas, help you do research
97 00:08:29.620 ⇒ 00:08:30.320 Uttam Kumaran: and he’s.
98 00:08:31.350 ⇒ 00:08:32.390 joshuadeveyra: A copy team.
99 00:08:32.390 ⇒ 00:08:44.519 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, he has 4. He has 4 categories of copyright. He has. Like the social media, he has the website content. He’ll have like documents. And there was one
100 00:08:44.760 ⇒ 00:08:54.480 Uttam Kumaran: more. But I forgot what it was. But like mainly all of that. So anything around the website, copy, social media copy and document copy. I basically want him to own
101 00:08:54.620 ⇒ 00:09:08.490 Uttam Kumaran: right? So I want him to be able to. But to the thing is like, I don’t want you to go build it for him. I want him to be able to like, almost build it alongside of you, because he’s gonna have to add changes. And I don’t want that coming to you right.
102 00:09:08.490 ⇒ 00:09:09.270 joshuadeveyra: Yeah. It’s a.
103 00:09:09.270 ⇒ 00:09:12.109 Uttam Kumaran: Pick the phrase which is like you you
104 00:09:13.900 ⇒ 00:09:17.649 Uttam Kumaran: You! You catch a fish for a man like he eats for a day.
105 00:09:18.060 ⇒ 00:09:20.259 joshuadeveyra: Oh, yeah, yeah, he’s gonna depend. He’s gonna.
106 00:09:20.260 ⇒ 00:09:29.419 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah. So like, we gotta teach these people how to fish is like my new motto right now, especially on the AI side. I think everybody’s like a little bit intimidated. So
107 00:09:29.480 ⇒ 00:09:31.149 Uttam Kumaran: that’s what I’m hoping for.
108 00:09:31.950 ⇒ 00:09:35.789 joshuadeveyra: There might be, you know, the issue there is. They might be kind of scared.
109 00:09:35.940 ⇒ 00:09:37.520 joshuadeveyra: I don’t want to get replaced.
110 00:09:37.910 ⇒ 00:09:52.219 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, I I but I’ve always told everybody, and I’ll I’ll say it again is like, why and there’s no replacement happening. I think this. If if you’re on the team, you’re on the team. Our my goal is to maximize your leverage right.
111 00:09:52.220 ⇒ 00:09:53.060 joshuadeveyra: Yeah, yeah.
112 00:09:53.060 ⇒ 00:09:58.209 Uttam Kumaran: The less the less people there are, the more money we all make is frankly it. So
113 00:09:59.310 ⇒ 00:10:04.650 Uttam Kumaran: trying to just keep expenses low. And then that way we can sustain the company. So.
114 00:10:05.380 ⇒ 00:10:05.990 joshuadeveyra: Yeah.
115 00:10:08.110 ⇒ 00:10:17.349 joshuadeveyra: okay, yeah. I do have like another question, I guess. It’s more about tomorrow, like, what time would be the best meeting time for us around this time.
116 00:10:20.070 ⇒ 00:10:21.380 joshuadeveyra: With the new guy.
117 00:10:23.760 ⇒ 00:10:25.039 Uttam Kumaran: With with Ryan.
118 00:10:25.540 ⇒ 00:10:27.800 joshuadeveyra: No, no with you. You asked me.
119 00:10:27.800 ⇒ 00:10:29.991 Uttam Kumaran: Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah.
120 00:10:31.380 ⇒ 00:10:36.860 Uttam Kumaran: yeah. This time works like, what do? What do you think? What’s his hours? Does he work this late? Usually.
121 00:10:37.770 ⇒ 00:10:45.010 joshuadeveyra: Oh, yeah, yeah, I think he works until 12 midnight. My time so like, until 2 h from now. So we could even move it to like an hour from now.
122 00:10:46.060 ⇒ 00:10:48.220 Uttam Kumaran: Okay, maybe what we can do.
123 00:10:49.680 ⇒ 00:10:50.339 Uttam Kumaran: Let’s
124 00:10:53.240 ⇒ 00:10:55.099 Uttam Kumaran: Let’s do it at this time tomorrow.
125 00:10:56.160 ⇒ 00:10:58.540 joshuadeveyra: Okay, this time tomorrow. Okay, sure. Sure.
126 00:11:01.000 ⇒ 00:11:02.510 joshuadeveyra: I will let him know.
127 00:11:03.120 ⇒ 00:11:03.540 Uttam Kumaran: Okay.
128 00:11:03.540 ⇒ 00:11:05.699 joshuadeveyra: And and then, yeah.
129 00:11:06.180 ⇒ 00:11:08.169 joshuadeveyra: wait. Where do you see it in here?
130 00:11:08.600 ⇒ 00:11:09.829 joshuadeveyra: I’ll check later
131 00:11:10.282 ⇒ 00:11:15.419 joshuadeveyra: and then what else? What else is there anything else I want to ask the medical field
132 00:11:15.940 ⇒ 00:11:22.040 joshuadeveyra: I think you did mention like a couple of times over the past few days, something about the medical field. You you were working with Abigail.
133 00:11:22.590 ⇒ 00:11:25.615 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah. So I’m working with
134 00:11:26.960 ⇒ 00:11:29.580 Uttam Kumaran: Let me give you his linkedin.
135 00:11:30.470 ⇒ 00:11:35.140 Uttam Kumaran: I’m gonna maybe I can. We have a meeting about it today.
136 00:11:36.080 ⇒ 00:11:37.729 Uttam Kumaran: maybe if you want to join
137 00:11:38.550 ⇒ 00:11:42.440 Uttam Kumaran: Happy to have you, but I’ll I’ll send you his linkedin
138 00:11:43.579 ⇒ 00:11:44.879 Uttam Kumaran: in zoom.
139 00:11:46.450 ⇒ 00:11:48.119 Uttam Kumaran: She’s just a friend of mine.
140 00:11:48.290 ⇒ 00:11:57.249 Uttam Kumaran: He’s like, very well connected in the medical field. And we’re thinking about how to build an email campaign. And how do we actually build stuff for them actually a lot.
141 00:11:57.300 ⇒ 00:11:59.079 Uttam Kumaran: It’s it’s kind of later today.
142 00:11:59.270 ⇒ 00:12:00.769 Uttam Kumaran: I don’t know if you’ll be up.
143 00:12:02.220 ⇒ 00:12:05.290 Uttam Kumaran: it’s probably like 4 Am. Your time.
144 00:12:06.636 ⇒ 00:12:07.820 joshuadeveyra: We’ll see. We’ll see.
145 00:12:08.590 ⇒ 00:12:10.510 Uttam Kumaran: Okay, I’ll add you.
146 00:12:10.610 ⇒ 00:12:13.820 Uttam Kumaran: But I’ll also send you the recording.
147 00:12:14.150 ⇒ 00:12:15.479 joshuadeveyra: Okay, yeah, thank you.
148 00:12:16.161 ⇒ 00:12:18.378 Uttam Kumaran: And then next time we can, we can do it.
149 00:12:19.880 ⇒ 00:12:21.432 Uttam Kumaran: we can do it
150 00:12:25.800 ⇒ 00:12:29.430 Uttam Kumaran: earlier, but I will let me also cause he’s in. He’s in Uk.
151 00:12:30.090 ⇒ 00:12:31.250 joshuadeveyra: Oh, good!
152 00:12:32.230 ⇒ 00:12:33.109 Uttam Kumaran: And then
153 00:12:34.400 ⇒ 00:12:38.450 joshuadeveyra: It’s around 4 Pm. No. 3 pm. Right now in Pakistan, I think.
154 00:12:41.660 ⇒ 00:12:46.239 joshuadeveyra: No, it shouldn’t no plan usage. 12,000 min. No, we’re safe.
155 00:12:47.580 ⇒ 00:12:49.920 joshuadeveyra: Maybe it got blocked or something.
156 00:12:50.890 ⇒ 00:12:51.920 joshuadeveyra: Yeah, I’ll see.
157 00:12:55.060 ⇒ 00:12:57.280 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, so we’re basically working on like what
158 00:12:57.340 ⇒ 00:13:01.769 Uttam Kumaran: solutions we can provide for the medical industry around AI and data.
159 00:13:03.580 ⇒ 00:13:04.180 Uttam Kumaran: Okay.
160 00:13:05.580 ⇒ 00:13:13.049 Uttam Kumaran: so once once we have that conversation I’ll loop if you wanna attend. If you can attend, otherwise I’ll I’ll summarize it and loop you in.
161 00:13:13.430 ⇒ 00:13:15.719 joshuadeveyra: Okay, yeah, I think I did.
162 00:13:15.720 ⇒ 00:13:18.919 Uttam Kumaran: So I mainly just want to get your feedback.
163 00:13:19.540 ⇒ 00:13:31.570 joshuadeveyra: Okay, yeah, I I worked with a couple of like people before in the medical field. I think I did mention to you before also, but they were primarily for like voice AI stuff.
164 00:13:31.670 ⇒ 00:13:33.440 joshuadeveyra: But I’m not sure we want to dive there.
165 00:13:34.270 ⇒ 00:13:34.630 Uttam Kumaran: Okay.
166 00:13:37.873 ⇒ 00:13:42.110 joshuadeveyra: So it’s like using something like Bland or vapi, or what else.
167 00:13:42.110 ⇒ 00:13:43.070 Uttam Kumaran: Oh, nice!
168 00:13:43.070 ⇒ 00:13:44.170 joshuadeveyra: Cent, flow.
169 00:13:45.020 ⇒ 00:13:46.020 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
170 00:13:47.598 ⇒ 00:13:55.371 joshuadeveyra: Yeah. And this guy is the guy we’re gonna talk to tomorrow. I mean, I was like the head of everything in my in like the previous company.
171 00:13:56.163 ⇒ 00:14:01.660 joshuadeveyra: So. But he does know how to use voice to build a voice. AI agents so
172 00:14:02.740 ⇒ 00:14:06.109 joshuadeveyra: could be a good, you know. Start if we wanna build that way.
173 00:14:06.410 ⇒ 00:14:07.669 Uttam Kumaran: Oh, nice. Okay.
174 00:14:07.870 ⇒ 00:14:08.410 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah.
175 00:14:08.410 ⇒ 00:14:09.020 joshuadeveyra: It’s like.
176 00:14:09.420 ⇒ 00:14:10.150 joshuadeveyra: yeah.
177 00:14:10.150 ⇒ 00:14:10.600 Uttam Kumaran: Go ahead!
178 00:14:10.853 ⇒ 00:14:15.670 joshuadeveyra: I’m not sure because there’s like this. I’m not sure if you’re familiar with this company called Auto Recruitment.
179 00:14:15.850 ⇒ 00:14:17.659 joshuadeveyra: It’s a Us. Based company.
180 00:14:20.290 ⇒ 00:14:21.149 Uttam Kumaran: What’s it called.
181 00:14:21.460 ⇒ 00:14:25.560 joshuadeveyra: Auto recruitment so recruitment. But auto in front.
182 00:14:25.710 ⇒ 00:14:28.349 Uttam Kumaran: Oh, auto recruitment! No, I never heard of it.
183 00:14:29.150 ⇒ 00:14:45.100 joshuadeveyra: Yeah, like my girlfriend before cause she she used to work there and then the CEO opened up to her. About one thing you know to use like voice AI or something like that, because basically what they do is, for example, they’ll call people right and then
184 00:14:45.450 ⇒ 00:14:50.450 joshuadeveyra: basically offer them if they wanna test a drug on them, and then they’ll pay them a certain amount.
185 00:14:50.900 ⇒ 00:14:51.230 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah.
186 00:14:51.230 ⇒ 00:14:52.880 joshuadeveyra: So it’s outbound calling.
187 00:14:53.490 ⇒ 00:14:56.150 Uttam Kumaran: Oh, and and you guys built it for them.
188 00:14:56.920 ⇒ 00:14:59.950 joshuadeveyra: Oh, no, we I tried getting into them. But
189 00:15:00.020 ⇒ 00:15:06.549 joshuadeveyra: like there’s like they’re calling team is blocking us. Because, like the communications team, we’re they’re gonna lose their job if we got them.
190 00:15:07.254 ⇒ 00:15:12.289 joshuadeveyra: So like we I could, I couldn’t find a way to get directly to the CEO.
191 00:15:12.590 ⇒ 00:15:17.660 Uttam Kumaran: But you but you wrote, but you did voice flow for another company.
192 00:15:18.970 ⇒ 00:15:23.929 joshuadeveyra: Voice flow. It’s it’s not really like the main voice agent will use like
193 00:15:24.140 ⇒ 00:15:25.940 joshuadeveyra: it’s probably gonna be bland.
194 00:15:25.940 ⇒ 00:15:30.859 Uttam Kumaran: Very slow, but you did. You did, bland or like you did voice synthesis for another company.
195 00:15:30.860 ⇒ 00:15:32.740 joshuadeveyra: Yeah, yeah. A lot of companies already.
196 00:15:33.060 ⇒ 00:15:36.200 Uttam Kumaran: Do you want to write it? Do you mind? Can you write about it
197 00:15:36.640 ⇒ 00:15:39.049 Uttam Kumaran: like you don’t have to name the specific company?
198 00:15:39.170 ⇒ 00:15:41.010 Uttam Kumaran: But can you write about
199 00:15:41.340 ⇒ 00:15:43.170 Uttam Kumaran: opportunities for.
200 00:15:43.170 ⇒ 00:15:45.230 joshuadeveyra: Oh, yeah, yeah, sure, of course. Of course.
201 00:15:45.230 ⇒ 00:15:47.049 Uttam Kumaran: And like we can publish it as a blog.
202 00:15:48.541 ⇒ 00:15:53.039 joshuadeveyra: Yeah, yeah. I’m not good at writing blogs. So someone probably has to edit that.
203 00:15:53.420 ⇒ 00:15:59.369 Uttam Kumaran: Well, that’s so. This is where the agent comes in. So now, okay, so.
204 00:15:59.370 ⇒ 00:16:00.170 joshuadeveyra: So basically.
205 00:16:00.560 ⇒ 00:16:04.740 Uttam Kumaran: So basically, what I’ve been doing is I’m not good at writing blogs either. So I actually.
206 00:16:04.760 ⇒ 00:16:09.789 Uttam Kumaran: So I did 2 things. One, I either talked to chat, gpt, or I have chat, Gpt. Interview me.
207 00:16:10.840 ⇒ 00:16:13.449 joshuadeveyra: Or what I do is I record a loom video.
208 00:16:14.490 ⇒ 00:16:16.539 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, that’s perfect.
209 00:16:16.540 ⇒ 00:16:17.590 joshuadeveyra: The Transcript.
210 00:16:17.860 ⇒ 00:16:22.100 Uttam Kumaran: Yesterday was I had Chat Gpt interview me about a subject, and it worked.
211 00:16:22.100 ⇒ 00:16:23.759 joshuadeveyra: Oh, okay. Yeah.
212 00:16:23.760 ⇒ 00:16:32.070 Uttam Kumaran: What what I basically do is it’s like, back and forth question answer. And then I I basically hand that over. And I’m like, I’m like, write the blog out of this.
213 00:16:32.450 ⇒ 00:16:33.020 Uttam Kumaran: Oh.
214 00:16:33.020 ⇒ 00:16:33.639 joshuadeveyra: Yeah, that.
215 00:16:33.710 ⇒ 00:16:35.749 Uttam Kumaran: For me to do that than to sit down and write.
216 00:16:36.270 ⇒ 00:16:38.260 joshuadeveyra: Yeah, cause it’s kind of boring.
217 00:16:38.700 ⇒ 00:16:41.099 joshuadeveyra: and you know no ideas are coming out.
218 00:16:41.370 ⇒ 00:16:43.979 Uttam Kumaran: It’s hard to be a good writer. I think it takes a long time so.
219 00:16:43.980 ⇒ 00:16:50.189 joshuadeveyra: Yeah. Cause I think one of like, the companies I worked on before.
220 00:16:50.828 ⇒ 00:16:56.929 joshuadeveyra: That’s where I like, I built something like a Qa agent, basically a blog post writer back when
221 00:16:56.940 ⇒ 00:17:00.700 joshuadeveyra: AI was new. And then, like late last year to early this year.
222 00:17:00.870 ⇒ 00:17:03.250 joshuadeveyra: we kind of decided to work again.
223 00:17:04.470 ⇒ 00:17:09.220 joshuadeveyra: But you know, he didn’t really focus on AI that much. So like, I, I’m not gonna grow here.
224 00:17:09.550 ⇒ 00:17:17.329 joshuadeveyra: But basically I talked to his wife and him. It’s voice, AI, but basically they wanted to offer it to like.
225 00:17:19.720 ⇒ 00:17:23.009 joshuadeveyra: you know, like small restaurants that could take the call instead.
226 00:17:23.170 ⇒ 00:17:24.140 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, yeah.
227 00:17:25.319 ⇒ 00:17:29.809 joshuadeveyra: Cause. It’s like, it’s very simple, right? Like taking it. And you know.
228 00:17:30.149 ⇒ 00:17:36.709 joshuadeveyra: they they probably have like a small menu, instead of having someone always on the phone. And it’s not going to be 24, 7. Also.
229 00:17:36.920 ⇒ 00:17:37.409 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, yeah.
230 00:17:37.410 ⇒ 00:17:39.949 joshuadeveyra: And then it’s kind of cheap, too, I think
231 00:17:40.140 ⇒ 00:17:41.580 joshuadeveyra: if Con, if
232 00:17:42.640 ⇒ 00:17:46.310 joshuadeveyra: pricing will be a concern, it’s probably best to go with Bland.
233 00:17:47.470 ⇒ 00:17:53.690 joshuadeveyra: But if what do you call this? If it’s not, it’s it’s vapi is a lot more customizable.
234 00:17:54.050 ⇒ 00:17:56.420 joshuadeveyra: But it’s also harder to implement. Of course.
235 00:17:57.000 ⇒ 00:18:05.539 Uttam Kumaran: So dude. Maybe what we should do is maybe I’ll interview you for like 2030 min about it, and then we could just take the Transcript and turn into a blog post.
236 00:18:06.410 ⇒ 00:18:08.430 joshuadeveyra: Oh, yeah, yeah, I think, yeah, that could.
237 00:18:08.430 ⇒ 00:18:11.570 Uttam Kumaran: Because, actually, like, I have a bunch of personal questions about it.
238 00:18:12.370 ⇒ 00:18:17.160 Uttam Kumaran: So like May, I’ll just, I’ll maybe we’ll do that. Let’s do that. Maybe sometime.
239 00:18:17.380 ⇒ 00:18:18.409 joshuadeveyra: Next week. Yeah.
240 00:18:18.760 ⇒ 00:18:19.480 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah.
241 00:18:20.030 ⇒ 00:18:21.893 joshuadeveyra: This week. I don’t think we can.
242 00:18:22.260 ⇒ 00:18:26.780 Uttam Kumaran: Let’s do it. Next week I’ll I’ll mention to. I’ll mention to Ryan that we’re gonna do that
243 00:18:27.151 ⇒ 00:18:30.470 Uttam Kumaran: because I want to start writing and publishing stuff about AI
244 00:18:31.170 ⇒ 00:18:36.880 Uttam Kumaran: so that we have content out there. And then when we start doing marketing, we have all that so.
245 00:18:38.020 ⇒ 00:18:38.929 Uttam Kumaran: But the.
246 00:18:40.128 ⇒ 00:18:42.289 joshuadeveyra: What kind of AI are we platform
247 00:18:42.510 ⇒ 00:18:45.380 joshuadeveyra: focus tailor made solutions? Because, you know.
248 00:18:46.060 ⇒ 00:18:54.289 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, I don’t know. Like I I kind of want like for me. I wanna I don’t. Wanna I want to take on large projects.
249 00:18:55.310 ⇒ 00:18:57.540 joshuadeveyra: Not really small medium size, right.
250 00:18:59.420 ⇒ 00:19:04.729 Uttam Kumaran: It’s just like any. Yeah, if it’s if it’s too small, it’s like not worth the time.
251 00:19:05.530 ⇒ 00:19:07.090 joshuadeveyra: Yeah, right? Because I wanted to.
252 00:19:07.090 ⇒ 00:19:11.140 Uttam Kumaran: People who we can work with for, like 3, 6, 9, 12 months, like.
253 00:19:11.330 ⇒ 00:19:13.400 Uttam Kumaran: they have more than one problem.
254 00:19:13.900 ⇒ 00:19:28.139 joshuadeveyra: Yeah, cause like, that’s the problem with, you know, those type of solutions like, for example, the voice. AI, right? It’s gonna be more like a sas than a service, because we’re gonna be building it for them. And they’re probably gonna pay maximum 500 or 600 bucks an hour.
255 00:19:28.360 ⇒ 00:19:32.639 joshuadeveyra: I mean an RA month, so I’m not sure it’s like worth our time.
256 00:19:33.420 ⇒ 00:19:34.300 joshuadeveyra: That’s the price.
257 00:19:34.300 ⇒ 00:19:39.429 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, like, I, wanna go things. I wanna go after things that are like 10 times or 20 times that
258 00:19:39.590 ⇒ 00:19:40.909 Uttam Kumaran: in terms of that
259 00:19:40.930 ⇒ 00:19:43.869 Uttam Kumaran: like these need to be projects that are 10 to 20 k.
260 00:19:44.700 ⇒ 00:19:45.600 joshuadeveyra: Yeah, yeah.
261 00:19:46.140 ⇒ 00:19:47.359 Uttam Kumaran: For it to be worth our time.
262 00:19:47.790 ⇒ 00:19:51.210 Uttam Kumaran: But again we have, like brain. Forge is like
263 00:19:51.290 ⇒ 00:19:55.929 Uttam Kumaran: the company now, is doing a lot of different things. So we can go demand that sort of pricing
264 00:19:56.150 ⇒ 00:19:59.970 Uttam Kumaran: like, it’s not just one person. Right? It’s like, Okay, you’re hiring the whole company.
265 00:20:00.090 ⇒ 00:20:00.670 Uttam Kumaran: And then.
266 00:20:00.670 ⇒ 00:20:01.190 joshuadeveyra: But we.
267 00:20:01.190 ⇒ 00:20:10.389 Uttam Kumaran: That should be able to build out a team like for me to be able to pay you more to hire more people we have. We can’t take on like 500 600. It’s just not not possible.
268 00:20:10.390 ⇒ 00:20:11.749 joshuadeveyra: It’s not worth it. Yeah.
269 00:20:11.990 ⇒ 00:20:15.100 Uttam Kumaran: It’s not worth it at all like. By the time we talk about it.
270 00:20:15.330 ⇒ 00:20:19.100 Uttam Kumaran: By the time we just talk about it we would have spent 500 $600.
271 00:20:19.280 ⇒ 00:20:20.250 joshuadeveyra: Yeah.
272 00:20:20.390 ⇒ 00:20:20.800 Uttam Kumaran: I mean.
273 00:20:20.800 ⇒ 00:20:28.899 joshuadeveyra: That’s why, if it’s yeah, it’s not gonna be that. Yeah voice could be like a big thing. And then also, there’s a lot of, you know people already doing it.
274 00:20:29.410 ⇒ 00:20:33.300 Uttam Kumaran: There’s but there’s a lot of companies here that need that have no idea how to do it.
275 00:20:34.760 ⇒ 00:20:36.608 joshuadeveyra: The voice, AI, yeah.
276 00:20:38.580 ⇒ 00:20:44.769 joshuadeveyra: or maybe we can like partner with someone, and then they’ll pay us $10,000, and then we’ll build it for them. They’re more like the morning.
277 00:20:44.770 ⇒ 00:20:51.760 Uttam Kumaran: That’s also the thing is like we can. We can get the contract. And then, if we need to bring in flow matic, we can do that right like we have friends now.
278 00:20:52.150 ⇒ 00:20:53.290 Uttam Kumaran: So
279 00:20:54.020 ⇒ 00:21:01.039 Uttam Kumaran: we have the ability in other people if needed. So I’m not worried about going bigger and then figuring it out after.
280 00:21:01.900 ⇒ 00:21:02.590 joshuadeveyra: Yeah.
281 00:21:04.990 ⇒ 00:21:13.959 joshuadeveyra: okay, yeah. We’ll see. Because chat bots, they’re not really, you know, I I wouldn’t recommend. We go there because, like, there’s it’s so much saturated right now.
282 00:21:14.840 ⇒ 00:21:19.549 joshuadeveyra: and I’m not sure we want to do automations in Ghl, or, you know, stuff like that.
283 00:21:19.550 ⇒ 00:21:24.529 Uttam Kumaran: No, no, I don’t wanna do that. I don’t wanna do any marketing. I don’t wanna do any small marketing automations
284 00:21:25.690 ⇒ 00:21:26.260 Uttam Kumaran: bottom.
285 00:21:27.970 ⇒ 00:21:35.310 joshuadeveyra: And it’s not really like, we’re gonna we’re gonna need like Ghl experts for that. And then, yeah, it’s not worth it. Like, if it’s not the core of your business.
286 00:21:35.510 ⇒ 00:21:36.960 joshuadeveyra: It’s not recommended.
287 00:21:37.120 ⇒ 00:21:37.690 joshuadeveyra: Yeah.
288 00:21:37.690 ⇒ 00:21:38.469 Uttam Kumaran: I agree.
289 00:21:40.825 ⇒ 00:21:42.789 joshuadeveyra: But yeah, I think we could have like.
290 00:21:43.230 ⇒ 00:21:46.960 joshuadeveyra: decide on like 2 or 3, you know, core
291 00:21:47.240 ⇒ 00:21:54.979 joshuadeveyra: solutions for AI, maybe something like the lease agreements, something like that. Or we could just honestly focus on
292 00:21:55.753 ⇒ 00:21:59.289 joshuadeveyra: like custom built. But the thing with custom built is
293 00:21:59.390 ⇒ 00:22:03.069 joshuadeveyra: the chances that the client knows what he wants, is like very low.
294 00:22:03.550 ⇒ 00:22:04.180 Uttam Kumaran: No, that’s fine.
295 00:22:04.180 ⇒ 00:22:05.120 joshuadeveyra: That’s why.
296 00:22:05.120 ⇒ 00:22:07.070 Uttam Kumaran: Gonna take us a month or 2 to like.
297 00:22:07.560 ⇒ 00:22:16.449 Uttam Kumaran: Same with the Hpi dude, the Hpi thing. This we’re not getting paid right now, right. But we’re doing. We’re doing it because they might give us like a hundred grand for that
298 00:22:16.670 ⇒ 00:22:17.280 Uttam Kumaran: alright.
299 00:22:17.280 ⇒ 00:22:17.600 joshuadeveyra: Oh, yeah.
300 00:22:17.600 ⇒ 00:22:18.190 Uttam Kumaran: So like.
301 00:22:19.290 ⇒ 00:22:30.320 Uttam Kumaran: that’s kind of like. What I’m thinking about is like that compared to on data. I can close a deal in 2 or 3 meetings in AI. I think it’s gonna take 5, 6, 7 meetings.
302 00:22:30.540 ⇒ 00:22:31.849 joshuadeveyra: Yeah. It’s a bit harder.
303 00:22:32.110 ⇒ 00:22:41.920 Uttam Kumaran: But that’s why the prices have to be higher. That’s why we have to know. We have to have like skill set and then we have to kind of like market ourselves. Well.
304 00:22:42.420 ⇒ 00:22:55.019 Uttam Kumaran: but it’s more about trust building, right? It’s more about like we show a proof of con like, for example, if it takes 8 weeks, then maybe in that 8 weeks again, if it takes 2030 h, we just put together a proof of concept.
305 00:22:55.640 ⇒ 00:22:56.970 Uttam Kumaran: and then biden
306 00:22:57.000 ⇒ 00:23:03.570 Uttam Kumaran: guarantee us that we get the client right? And data. I don’t need to, because we have enough of a track record.
307 00:23:05.720 ⇒ 00:23:07.340 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, like people trust us.
308 00:23:09.540 ⇒ 00:23:11.060 joshuadeveyra: Yeah, AI is pretty new.
309 00:23:13.680 ⇒ 00:23:16.410 joshuadeveyra: or we could just go the path that remember the guys.
310 00:23:17.500 ⇒ 00:23:22.849 joshuadeveyra: So we talked on like a specific niche, and then we can just grow from that niche
311 00:23:23.140 ⇒ 00:23:24.280 joshuadeveyra: right now, I would say it’s.
312 00:23:24.280 ⇒ 00:23:24.620 Uttam Kumaran: Probably.
313 00:23:24.620 ⇒ 00:23:25.370 joshuadeveyra: Target.
314 00:23:25.920 ⇒ 00:23:36.889 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, that’s it. So that’s why I want us to. Once we’re once we get this in production and working, we’ll write a blog post, and then I’ll have them go market. This that’ll be in 2 weeks.
315 00:23:39.000 ⇒ 00:23:40.500 joshuadeveyra: And then, yeah, cause I think.
316 00:23:40.550 ⇒ 00:23:45.830 Uttam Kumaran: Basically, I want there to be campaigns going for data and campaigns going for AI.
317 00:23:47.000 ⇒ 00:23:48.430 joshuadeveyra: Okay, yeah.
318 00:23:49.070 ⇒ 00:23:50.549 joshuadeveyra: let’s do that name.
319 00:23:50.890 ⇒ 00:23:56.199 joshuadeveyra: Cause I don’t think I’m I’m gonna have enough time to learn data. So I’ll stick with the AI side of things.
320 00:23:59.593 ⇒ 00:24:09.800 joshuadeveyra: What else? What else? So there, that’s the 1st one Hpi could be like a good, you know, sample, even if like. They don’t take it like we can still offer it to some other.
321 00:24:09.800 ⇒ 00:24:10.210 Uttam Kumaran: Oh, I’m.
322 00:24:10.210 ⇒ 00:24:11.099 joshuadeveyra: But I think they wrote.
323 00:24:11.290 ⇒ 00:24:15.399 Uttam Kumaran: Package that up and then hit that to every real estate person, right like
324 00:24:16.235 ⇒ 00:24:22.989 Uttam Kumaran: we do is not just for one person. It’s it’s gonna get reused and remarketed. So I’m I’m happy.
325 00:24:23.670 ⇒ 00:24:27.170 joshuadeveyra: Yeah, it’s not. It’s more of like a proof of concept if they don’t take it
326 00:24:28.110 ⇒ 00:24:31.609 joshuadeveyra: probably will right. If has Scott seen it, I don’t think he has.
327 00:24:31.610 ⇒ 00:24:32.220 Uttam Kumaran: Oh, not yet.
328 00:24:32.220 ⇒ 00:24:34.099 joshuadeveyra: Notify them. Yeah.
329 00:24:34.990 ⇒ 00:24:36.839 joshuadeveyra: And then, yeah.
330 00:24:41.580 ⇒ 00:24:49.539 joshuadeveyra: yeah, I think that’s pretty much it. I, I like, yeah, not really about work. But what’s like the taxes in Texas.
331 00:24:51.101 ⇒ 00:24:54.149 Uttam Kumaran: There’s no State taxes but us Federal taxes
332 00:24:54.850 ⇒ 00:24:56.640 Uttam Kumaran: anywhere from like
333 00:24:56.690 ⇒ 00:24:58.450 Uttam Kumaran: 20 to 30%.
334 00:24:59.110 ⇒ 00:25:00.929 joshuadeveyra: Oh, so it’s kind of big, too.
335 00:25:01.560 ⇒ 00:25:04.799 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah. The nice thing about Texas is, there’s no state tax.
336 00:25:05.610 ⇒ 00:25:06.450 joshuadeveyra: Yeah.
337 00:25:07.008 ⇒ 00:25:14.230 Uttam Kumaran: There’s no state income tax. There’s state. There’s state corporate tax, I guess. Are you talking about business tax, or you’re talking about personal tax.
338 00:25:14.230 ⇒ 00:25:18.619 joshuadeveyra: Personal because you mentioned before that you want us to be like actual Us. Employees. Right.
339 00:25:19.140 ⇒ 00:25:23.320 Uttam Kumaran: Well, I well, what I want to try to figure out is how I can get everyone
340 00:25:23.430 ⇒ 00:25:24.756 Uttam Kumaran: to be
341 00:25:25.820 ⇒ 00:25:33.460 Uttam Kumaran: like actually employed wherever they are, so we can provide benefits, or whatever, for tax or retirement, or whatever. You know.
342 00:25:34.810 ⇒ 00:25:35.520 Uttam Kumaran: I’m trying to figure out.
343 00:25:35.520 ⇒ 00:25:36.259 joshuadeveyra: Oh, yeah.
344 00:25:36.260 ⇒ 00:25:37.909 Uttam Kumaran: The platform we use
345 00:25:38.260 ⇒ 00:25:39.980 Uttam Kumaran: to to make that happen.
346 00:25:46.090 ⇒ 00:25:49.639 joshuadeveyra: Cause. That’s that’s 1 of the things I’m planning to like.
347 00:25:49.850 ⇒ 00:25:56.319 joshuadeveyra: not really tax evasion. But I I’m planning to move to Dubai or some country to avoid. You know, income.
348 00:25:56.320 ⇒ 00:25:57.150 Uttam Kumaran: Oh, really.
349 00:25:57.560 ⇒ 00:26:02.440 joshuadeveyra: Yeah, probably, Dubai. I can’t live. I can’t. There’s no way I can live in Monaco.
350 00:26:02.830 ⇒ 00:26:03.839 Uttam Kumaran: It’s just a bit too expensive.
351 00:26:03.840 ⇒ 00:26:04.570 joshuadeveyra: Expensive.
352 00:26:06.200 ⇒ 00:26:07.145 Uttam Kumaran: But I was
353 00:26:07.550 ⇒ 00:26:11.410 Uttam Kumaran: I went to Dubai last year. It was pretty this year. Actually, it was pretty nice.
354 00:26:12.190 ⇒ 00:26:14.369 joshuadeveyra: Yeah, it’s just it’s too hot.
355 00:26:14.680 ⇒ 00:26:15.560 joshuadeveyra: Store.
356 00:26:16.960 ⇒ 00:26:17.560 Uttam Kumaran: Let’s do what.
357 00:26:17.971 ⇒ 00:26:20.029 joshuadeveyra: It’s too hot there, right.
358 00:26:20.030 ⇒ 00:26:21.099 Uttam Kumaran: Really, hot, yeah.
359 00:26:22.740 ⇒ 00:26:28.030 joshuadeveyra: But yeah, you know, cause I don’t. I don’t really want to pay, because in the Philippines taxes are like 35%.
360 00:26:30.350 ⇒ 00:26:31.670 Uttam Kumaran: Oh, shit. Okay.
361 00:26:31.670 ⇒ 00:26:33.259 joshuadeveyra: Yeah. So so I was like.
362 00:26:33.500 ⇒ 00:26:35.870 joshuadeveyra: yeah, I don’t really wanna do that.
363 00:26:36.252 ⇒ 00:26:39.310 Uttam Kumaran: Come to us for like a few weeks.
364 00:26:39.880 ⇒ 00:26:41.769 joshuadeveyra: Oh, yeah, I think next year I’ll go.
365 00:26:42.420 ⇒ 00:26:44.979 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, I’m gonna try to. I’m gonna try to bring the whole team here
366 00:26:45.050 ⇒ 00:26:46.140 Uttam Kumaran: if I can.
367 00:26:46.660 ⇒ 00:26:50.799 Uttam Kumaran: for like an off site. But I have a house here that people can stay in. I don’t mind.
368 00:26:50.800 ⇒ 00:26:53.190 joshuadeveyra: Oh, okay, it’s like.
369 00:26:53.753 ⇒ 00:26:55.970 joshuadeveyra: no. Nicholas is in.
370 00:26:57.090 ⇒ 00:27:00.420 Uttam Kumaran: So either I want us to go. I want us to either go
371 00:27:00.650 ⇒ 00:27:04.339 Uttam Kumaran: offsite in Argentina or offsite here. Argentina might be cheaper.
372 00:27:06.750 ⇒ 00:27:08.929 joshuadeveyra: Oh, yeah, yeah. Could be there.
373 00:27:09.410 ⇒ 00:27:16.260 joshuadeveyra: South America, cause I think next year my friend will be going Uk, and then us. So I was like, yeah, we can meet us. I’m not going Uk
374 00:27:17.660 ⇒ 00:27:20.360 joshuadeveyra: too much too much stabbing there. Bro.
375 00:27:20.880 ⇒ 00:27:23.070 Uttam Kumaran: I know, and it’s so expensive. Man.
376 00:27:23.430 ⇒ 00:27:26.620 joshuadeveyra: Yeah, it’s like, like, I have so much family in the Us.
377 00:27:27.380 ⇒ 00:27:30.369 Uttam Kumaran: It’s so expensive in the Uk.
378 00:27:30.370 ⇒ 00:27:31.330 joshuadeveyra: Have you been there?
379 00:27:31.870 ⇒ 00:27:34.370 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah. I’ve been. I’ve been a couple of times.
380 00:27:34.540 ⇒ 00:27:36.610 joshuadeveyra: Oh, good! Yes.
381 00:27:36.720 ⇒ 00:27:39.327 joshuadeveyra: not really my dream place to go.
382 00:27:39.700 ⇒ 00:27:46.409 Uttam Kumaran: Like. I think I look, here’s my goal is like, if you’re able to go somewhere where there’s clients
383 00:27:46.630 ⇒ 00:27:49.680 Uttam Kumaran: that would be massive like I feel like in Dubai there could be clients.
384 00:27:49.680 ⇒ 00:27:56.270 joshuadeveyra: Dubai. Yeah. Like all the companies I was, you know, part 2. They they all wanted to expand in Dubai. But
385 00:27:56.490 ⇒ 00:27:59.979 joshuadeveyra: yeah, like no one was willing to live. There’s like I’ll go there.
386 00:28:01.210 ⇒ 00:28:07.049 Uttam Kumaran: That’s what would be interesting to me, because otherwise the only other places to do business like Europe doesn’t pay really well.
387 00:28:07.450 ⇒ 00:28:08.479 joshuadeveyra: Yeah, you, wish.
388 00:28:08.480 ⇒ 00:28:10.349 Uttam Kumaran: On us. Companies
389 00:28:11.640 ⇒ 00:28:14.469 joshuadeveyra: Uk is pretty good. But yeah.
390 00:28:15.400 ⇒ 00:28:17.862 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, maybe we consider Uk as well. But.
391 00:28:18.640 ⇒ 00:28:20.579 joshuadeveyra: Us is the best place to do business in.
392 00:28:21.050 ⇒ 00:28:21.420 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah.
393 00:28:21.420 ⇒ 00:28:22.760 joshuadeveyra: And like the Middle East.
394 00:28:22.760 ⇒ 00:28:26.700 Uttam Kumaran: Our whole. Our whole, like society, is built on capitalism, right? Like.
395 00:28:26.700 ⇒ 00:28:27.670 joshuadeveyra: Yeah, yeah.
396 00:28:28.460 ⇒ 00:28:30.510 Uttam Kumaran: We need capitalism.
397 00:28:31.120 ⇒ 00:28:32.869 joshuadeveyra: Yeah, maybe Monaco.
398 00:28:34.080 ⇒ 00:28:37.719 joshuadeveyra: But no, no! Just hanging out with rich people
399 00:28:39.097 ⇒ 00:28:44.460 joshuadeveyra: next year. What months are you planning to go to the Philippines? Or is that not yet sure?
400 00:28:44.460 ⇒ 00:28:57.079 Uttam Kumaran: I haven’t planned yet. I need to decide that. Also. It’s really all gonna just like, if the business can do. Well, I want I wanna go see every single person. So I wanna I wanna go to Argentina. And then I want to go to Philippines
401 00:28:57.658 ⇒ 00:29:02.249 Uttam Kumaran: and then if we’re in the Philippines. I’ll try to have everyone come to some place where we can all meet.
402 00:29:02.850 ⇒ 00:29:03.770 joshuadeveyra: Yeah, yeah.
403 00:29:04.960 ⇒ 00:29:06.482 joshuadeveyra: I can. Probably.
404 00:29:07.330 ⇒ 00:29:11.440 joshuadeveyra: there’s yeah, probably go golfing or some something here.
405 00:29:11.860 ⇒ 00:29:13.050 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, something.
406 00:29:13.998 ⇒ 00:29:24.329 joshuadeveyra: Cause I was. Oh, yeah, autumn. Good thing I remembered about golfing because I was talking to one of my brother’s friends. They basically own like shipping companies.
407 00:29:24.710 ⇒ 00:29:25.105 Uttam Kumaran: Okay.
408 00:29:26.110 ⇒ 00:29:33.249 joshuadeveyra: So I was. I wanted to, you know, give them the website and everything. But I told them, let’s wait for the design 1st
409 00:29:33.370 ⇒ 00:29:38.299 joshuadeveyra: I told my brother to. Let’s wait for the new design to come out first.st Then I wanna talk to them first.st
410 00:29:38.590 ⇒ 00:29:39.419 Uttam Kumaran: Like, you know.
411 00:29:39.870 ⇒ 00:29:41.389 joshuadeveyra: Like how we should approach them.
412 00:29:41.970 ⇒ 00:29:48.949 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, it should should be done. I mean, I gotta get an update today. But I thought it was gonna be done maybe this week or next week.
413 00:29:49.480 ⇒ 00:29:56.900 joshuadeveyra: Okay, yeah. Cause basically, there’s 2 very close friends of my brother. Right? One guy owns like.
414 00:29:57.070 ⇒ 00:29:59.370 joshuadeveyra: basically shipping ships.
415 00:30:01.025 ⇒ 00:30:07.940 joshuadeveyra: I’m not sure. I’m not sure like how we can help them. But I saw in like our website shipping. So I was like, Yeah, maybe.
416 00:30:09.800 ⇒ 00:30:12.293 Uttam Kumaran: I mean, we’ve done a bunch of work for
417 00:30:13.590 ⇒ 00:30:16.354 Uttam Kumaran: We’ve done a bunch of work for
418 00:30:17.790 ⇒ 00:30:20.009 Uttam Kumaran: like shipping and logistics. Actually.
419 00:30:20.660 ⇒ 00:30:32.160 joshuadeveyra: Yeah, the the yeah shipping logistics I saw in our in the website. So I was like, maybe we can like, you know, Con, maybe I can like connect with him there and then, also another part. I look insurance. How do we have like any.
420 00:30:32.490 ⇒ 00:30:33.060 Uttam Kumaran: Yes.
421 00:30:33.060 ⇒ 00:30:33.969 joshuadeveyra: Insurance stuff.
422 00:30:34.390 ⇒ 00:30:38.690 Uttam Kumaran: Well, I have. I have one friend that’s that’s deep in insurance
423 00:30:39.120 ⇒ 00:30:43.060 Uttam Kumaran: here in the Us. That we’ve been working, trying to think about good ideas on
424 00:30:43.611 ⇒ 00:30:50.780 Uttam Kumaran: a, actually, we’ve been. We try to work on an AI project together last year. But I ran out of time.
425 00:30:50.930 ⇒ 00:30:54.469 Uttam Kumaran: But it was a Saas product. We didn’t have any customers.
426 00:30:55.300 ⇒ 00:30:56.620 joshuadeveyra: Oh, okay, okay.
427 00:30:57.790 ⇒ 00:31:00.789 joshuadeveyra: or maybe risk assessment. No
428 00:31:00.810 ⇒ 00:31:05.770 joshuadeveyra: cause like loan is like a big thing in the Us. Or there’s probably a lot of stuff that already.
429 00:31:05.770 ⇒ 00:31:13.803 Uttam Kumaran: It’s just like the problem with a lot of that is like you need someone to sign off. So what we were thinking about is, we were thinking about building an agent for the
430 00:31:14.370 ⇒ 00:31:22.500 Uttam Kumaran: So when you go and get I can send you the docs on this product. But when you go and get an insurance policy. They ask you for a lot of supplemental materials
431 00:31:22.800 ⇒ 00:31:27.060 Uttam Kumaran: like, for example, if if you own a farm and you want to get insurance for your farm. They’ll ask you questions.
432 00:31:27.060 ⇒ 00:31:27.850 joshuadeveyra: Yeah, exactly.
433 00:31:28.380 ⇒ 00:31:37.089 Uttam Kumaran: How many cows do you have like? How many grain silos do you have right? And every insurance provider asks a different set of questions has a different set of documents
434 00:31:37.150 ⇒ 00:31:46.719 Uttam Kumaran: and the the. It takes a long time for the insurance broker to fill out all those documents. So we were thinking about, how can we build something that scans all those docs
435 00:31:49.100 ⇒ 00:31:51.140 Uttam Kumaran: scripts and then fills those out?
436 00:31:51.960 ⇒ 00:31:52.800 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah.
437 00:31:53.527 ⇒ 00:31:54.239 joshuadeveyra: Think it’s pretty.
438 00:31:54.240 ⇒ 00:32:01.859 Uttam Kumaran: Possible now than it was last year. But we didn’t have clients. We just I mean, we had like my friend said he could use it, and he’s a broker.
439 00:32:01.910 ⇒ 00:32:04.170 Uttam Kumaran: and then, if he uses he could.
440 00:32:04.760 ⇒ 00:32:06.449 Uttam Kumaran: you know, of course, like
441 00:32:06.670 ⇒ 00:32:08.190 Uttam Kumaran: try to sell it. But
442 00:32:10.790 ⇒ 00:32:14.190 Uttam Kumaran: if you want to talk about stuff. I can invite him, and he can talk to us.
443 00:32:14.820 ⇒ 00:32:19.930 joshuadeveyra: Okay, yeah. So that’s the other thing. And then also, it’s long. It’s kind of a long shot.
444 00:32:20.240 ⇒ 00:32:21.680 joshuadeveyra: But I reckon
445 00:32:23.310 ⇒ 00:32:24.570 joshuadeveyra: yeah, cause
446 00:32:24.750 ⇒ 00:32:28.840 joshuadeveyra: kind of. It’s kind of a long shot. But there’s a possibility that I could, you know.
447 00:32:28.920 ⇒ 00:32:32.770 joshuadeveyra: put this in there. I’m not sure what we’re gonna exactly gonna do
448 00:32:33.820 ⇒ 00:32:35.220 joshuadeveyra: but
449 00:32:35.360 ⇒ 00:32:39.639 joshuadeveyra: cause with, like our FBI, right, we have like a big problem right now.
450 00:32:40.550 ⇒ 00:32:46.890 joshuadeveyra: where there’s like a 1.8 billion budget in us dollars. That’s probably around 60 million.
451 00:32:47.340 ⇒ 00:32:47.705 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah.
452 00:32:48.760 ⇒ 00:32:53.639 joshuadeveyra: So we asked for that, like, basically my dad’s group, they asked for that.
453 00:32:53.700 ⇒ 00:32:55.630 joshuadeveyra: and now they don’t know how to use it.
454 00:32:57.660 ⇒ 00:32:58.270 Uttam Kumaran: Okay.
455 00:32:58.607 ⇒ 00:32:59.589 joshuadeveyra: I was like.
456 00:32:59.710 ⇒ 00:33:03.440 joshuadeveyra: So the problem there is like, if you, if you don’t use the money right, it’s gonna get
457 00:33:04.040 ⇒ 00:33:08.049 joshuadeveyra: the treasury of the Philippines. And then the next time you ask, they’re not gonna give you. Because, like.
458 00:33:08.090 ⇒ 00:33:11.099 joshuadeveyra: why are you asking like last time you returned it
459 00:33:11.280 ⇒ 00:33:14.479 joshuadeveyra: so like, that’s like that’s like the issue they’re facing
460 00:33:14.660 ⇒ 00:33:16.190 joshuadeveyra: pricing right? And
461 00:33:16.660 ⇒ 00:33:23.590 joshuadeveyra: I’m not sure if it’s also part of our, you know, to build data centers is that’s the one thing we don’t have.
462 00:33:24.060 ⇒ 00:33:24.660 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah.
463 00:33:24.660 ⇒ 00:33:27.320 joshuadeveyra: But I don’t think it’s kind of it’s kind of out of scope. No.
464 00:33:28.220 ⇒ 00:33:31.070 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah. I wonder if we like. Wait until
465 00:33:33.030 ⇒ 00:33:35.678 Uttam Kumaran: I wonder if we wait until we’re like.
466 00:33:36.430 ⇒ 00:33:38.319 Uttam Kumaran: have a couple more projects under our belt.
467 00:33:38.320 ⇒ 00:33:39.120 joshuadeveyra: There you go!
468 00:33:39.120 ⇒ 00:33:39.780 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah.
469 00:33:40.720 ⇒ 00:33:45.300 joshuadeveyra: Yeah, cause. Cause, I reckon, cause like the way our business model works, we charge for our right.
470 00:33:46.270 ⇒ 00:33:52.000 Uttam Kumaran: We charge for hour now, but it depends. If a project is big enough, then we we will charge a flat
471 00:33:52.580 ⇒ 00:33:53.190 Uttam Kumaran: right.
472 00:33:53.190 ⇒ 00:33:53.930 joshuadeveyra: Yeah.
473 00:33:54.910 ⇒ 00:33:56.330 Uttam Kumaran: Based on milestones.
474 00:33:57.000 ⇒ 00:34:03.319 joshuadeveyra: Yeah, okay, so I think, yeah, might might be better like next time, if we cause I can connect you to one of the guys. Also
475 00:34:04.025 ⇒ 00:34:12.039 joshuadeveyra: that I met here. His name is Jerome, I think. Yeah, he’s he’s pretty rich, like, definitely rich.
476 00:34:12.960 ⇒ 00:34:26.659 joshuadeveyra: He’s basically handling, like all the software for, like the biggest you know cities in the Philippines. So I think there’s a way we can connect there because basically all were planned. All the problems are like.
477 00:34:26.750 ⇒ 00:34:29.980 joshuadeveyra: how do we like spend the money we ask the government to give us?
478 00:34:30.190 ⇒ 00:34:33.939 joshuadeveyra: So I think, you know, if I if I could somehow connect us.
479 00:34:35.190 ⇒ 00:34:38.030 joshuadeveyra: So there’s probably a way to, you know. Do that.
480 00:34:40.560 ⇒ 00:34:41.210 Uttam Kumaran: Let’s keep talking.
481 00:34:41.219 ⇒ 00:34:42.119 joshuadeveyra: That’s why.
482 00:34:42.120 ⇒ 00:34:42.550 Uttam Kumaran: There’s a.
483 00:34:42.550 ⇒ 00:34:43.719 joshuadeveyra: That’s why I’m learning goals.
484 00:34:44.389 ⇒ 00:34:48.719 Uttam Kumaran: No, I know in notion. I have like a leads table.
485 00:34:48.839 ⇒ 00:34:53.119 Uttam Kumaran: So I have a bunch of leads, and I list like, who do we know or like things like that.
486 00:34:53.149 ⇒ 00:34:56.779 Uttam Kumaran: So we can go after the shipping and insurance thing. If you want to try something.
487 00:34:58.268 ⇒ 00:35:02.740 joshuadeveyra: Yeah, sure. But I kinda wanna have like a solid idea first, st before we reach out to them.
488 00:35:03.040 ⇒ 00:35:04.120 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
489 00:35:04.510 ⇒ 00:35:10.699 Uttam Kumaran: I agree. I mean, that’s why, if you have any leads, put them in there and then we can work on like a document, basically around
490 00:35:11.750 ⇒ 00:35:12.720 joshuadeveyra: Yeah.
491 00:35:12.720 ⇒ 00:35:16.379 Uttam Kumaran: What the angle is, what the communication is, what materials we need
492 00:35:16.440 ⇒ 00:35:20.900 Uttam Kumaran: cause for all of these. I want to be prepared, especially if it’s like a your connection. I don’t wanna like
493 00:35:21.100 ⇒ 00:35:22.320 Uttam Kumaran: screw that up.
494 00:35:23.100 ⇒ 00:35:34.140 joshuadeveyra: Cause. Yeah, I mean, they’re not really directly my connection. But yeah, it’s still my connection, because once we, you know, get that up to standard like, or we can get that up to, you know.
495 00:35:34.669 ⇒ 00:35:38.709 joshuadeveyra: If we get to work with them, cause I’m also friends with like the biggest.
496 00:35:39.356 ⇒ 00:35:40.990 joshuadeveyra: What do you call this
497 00:35:41.160 ⇒ 00:35:48.450 joshuadeveyra: electric supplier like in the Philippines? The Lopez family, like one of their son, so like my best friend back in high school, so I can connect with them.
498 00:35:49.730 ⇒ 00:35:58.769 joshuadeveyra: And then maybe we could do something with them, too, because, like right now, they don’t really like companies in the Philippines don’t really trust Philippine companies like they want the foreign.
499 00:35:58.810 ⇒ 00:36:05.289 joshuadeveyra: Yeah. That’s why I want, I wanted to, you know, connect them with you. Because, like, huh! I’m part of like a foreign company.
500 00:36:05.700 ⇒ 00:36:06.560 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, yeah.
501 00:36:06.750 ⇒ 00:36:07.490 Uttam Kumaran: well, that’s.
502 00:36:07.490 ⇒ 00:36:17.019 joshuadeveyra: In the Us. And Israeli companies like, I remember, we have like a deal with Israeli companies where they funded. I. They supplied the galils and stuff like that.
503 00:36:17.360 ⇒ 00:36:19.829 joshuadeveyra: and the ammunition. We all get it from Israel.
504 00:36:20.430 ⇒ 00:36:24.520 joshuadeveyra: so they don’t like we. We have one in the Philippines, but they don’t like it here.
505 00:36:26.890 ⇒ 00:36:29.238 Uttam Kumaran: That’s why I think we should just try to
506 00:36:29.520 ⇒ 00:36:33.929 Uttam Kumaran: get all of our case studies in a good place, and then we can. We can do that, you know.
507 00:36:34.200 ⇒ 00:36:34.820 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah.
508 00:36:34.820 ⇒ 00:36:40.410 joshuadeveyra: Yeah, it’s also like, why, I like working, you know, like, when I’m working on our projects, it’s not really like work. To me.
509 00:36:40.620 ⇒ 00:36:42.930 joshuadeveyra: It’s more of like, huh! This is fun.
510 00:36:42.930 ⇒ 00:36:45.279 Uttam Kumaran: We’re building like a bigger thing for sure.
511 00:36:45.810 ⇒ 00:36:46.580 joshuadeveyra: Yeah.
512 00:36:48.881 ⇒ 00:36:56.460 joshuadeveyra: But yeah, I think that’s pretty much it. I’ll send you like their websites, although their websites are, you know, very basic, because that’s not really their core.
513 00:36:58.590 ⇒ 00:37:02.890 joshuadeveyra: But yeah, I’ll probably I’ll ask my brother again what the names are.
514 00:37:03.340 ⇒ 00:37:04.899 joshuadeveyra: Think it’s Gordon shipping
515 00:37:05.190 ⇒ 00:37:06.830 joshuadeveyra: containers and shipping.
516 00:37:08.090 ⇒ 00:37:13.410 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, send me all the details in slack, and then I’ll just start to document it. Basically.
517 00:37:13.920 ⇒ 00:37:24.979 joshuadeveyra: And then cause I cause cause I was thinking, like, we don’t really want clients that are small, medium sized like the budget has to be like for a certain project, 10 or $20,000.
518 00:37:25.220 ⇒ 00:37:28.410 joshuadeveyra: So, yeah, yeah, that makes sense.
519 00:37:28.440 ⇒ 00:37:31.829 joshuadeveyra: Cause. I know a lot of people that wants voice. AI, but
520 00:37:33.370 ⇒ 00:37:34.540 joshuadeveyra: 100 bucks a month.
521 00:37:34.540 ⇒ 00:37:35.039 Uttam Kumaran: No, at all.
522 00:37:35.040 ⇒ 00:37:36.798 joshuadeveyra: Even I won’t take that.
523 00:37:37.610 ⇒ 00:37:38.680 joshuadeveyra: Yeah.
524 00:37:39.030 ⇒ 00:37:41.809 Uttam Kumaran: I mean, I would love to service those guys. But like
525 00:37:42.150 ⇒ 00:37:43.819 Uttam Kumaran: I don’t know, it’s it’s hard.
526 00:37:44.450 ⇒ 00:37:49.860 joshuadeveyra: Yeah, it’s also like I said, maybe we could. But we could build like a separate team for that right.
527 00:37:50.990 ⇒ 00:37:53.870 Uttam Kumaran: I don’t know. It’s it’s hard to maintain quality, right?
528 00:37:54.120 ⇒ 00:37:56.630 joshuadeveyra: Yeah. It’s also the expenses are, gonna be.
529 00:37:56.870 ⇒ 00:37:58.529 joshuadeveyra: you know, it’s gonna balloon.
530 00:37:58.880 ⇒ 00:38:00.800 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, it’s all really hard.
531 00:38:02.290 ⇒ 00:38:08.880 joshuadeveyra: And then, yeah, the quality, you know, cause we can’t really ha! I mean, I can’t really handle all of those.
532 00:38:09.280 ⇒ 00:38:14.109 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, no. There’s 1 thing about building. And there’s 1 thing about building the business that’s like.
533 00:38:14.500 ⇒ 00:38:15.520 Uttam Kumaran: yeah.
534 00:38:16.090 ⇒ 00:38:16.800 Uttam Kumaran: yeah.
535 00:38:17.270 ⇒ 00:38:19.110 Uttam Kumaran: yeah, I gotta run to a meeting.
536 00:38:19.490 ⇒ 00:38:20.450 joshuadeveyra: Okay, sure. Sure.
537 00:38:20.600 ⇒ 00:38:22.409 joshuadeveyra: Thanks for the time.
538 00:38:22.410 ⇒ 00:38:28.170 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, dude. Let’s talk. Let’s talk again today or slack me if anything. And then yeah.
539 00:38:28.360 ⇒ 00:38:30.890 Uttam Kumaran: I’ll see you at the other Apr review meeting. Anyways.
540 00:38:30.890 ⇒ 00:38:31.600 joshuadeveyra: Okay.
541 00:38:32.700 ⇒ 00:38:34.729 joshuadeveyra: Okay. Man, okay. Thank you.
542 00:38:35.290 ⇒ 00:38:35.909 Uttam Kumaran: See you soon.