Meeting Title: Zoom-Meeting Date: 2024-03-18 Meeting participants: Ivana Saginova, Uttam Kumaran
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1 00:00:24.120 ⇒ 00:00:24.880 Uttam Kumaran: You’re now
2 00:00:27.600 ⇒ 00:00:28.465 Uttam Kumaran: update.
3 00:00:29.350 ⇒ 00:00:30.500 Uttam Kumaran: Alright.
4 00:00:30.500 ⇒ 00:00:32.119 Ivana Saginova: This musical
5 00:00:32.580 ⇒ 00:00:33.010 Ivana Saginova: thanks.
6 00:00:35.230 ⇒ 00:00:37.150 Ivana Saginova: Say, Google off.
7 00:00:39.300 ⇒ 00:00:42.509 Ivana Saginova: Oh, I’m didn’t mute like. Let me mute didn’t click it.
8 00:00:43.814 ⇒ 00:00:45.389 Ivana Saginova: I was telling myself.
9 00:00:45.390 ⇒ 00:00:47.089 Uttam Kumaran: Hey? It’s going well.
10 00:00:48.963 ⇒ 00:00:52.308 Uttam Kumaran: so we didn’t catch up after the sea stuff.
11 00:00:52.680 ⇒ 00:00:53.350 Ivana Saginova: None.
12 00:00:55.490 ⇒ 00:00:57.069 Uttam Kumaran: This keeps going like.
13 00:00:57.070 ⇒ 00:00:57.810 Ivana Saginova: Dumb.
14 00:00:58.110 ⇒ 00:01:00.799 Uttam Kumaran: I at least think you can get a month of work out of this.
15 00:01:01.390 ⇒ 00:01:02.700 Uttam Kumaran: So let’s just get you.
16 00:01:02.700 ⇒ 00:01:03.959 Ivana Saginova: I love you like.
17 00:01:05.090 ⇒ 00:01:07.369 Ivana Saginova: move on as far. And I’m like, Yeah, let’s go.
18 00:01:07.370 ⇒ 00:01:12.239 Uttam Kumaran: Well, dude, it’s like I mean, I have. That’s almost how I feel like some people. They just don’t.
19 00:01:12.850 ⇒ 00:01:13.919 Uttam Kumaran: You don’t know what
20 00:01:14.160 ⇒ 00:01:20.739 Uttam Kumaran: there, like, I think it’s good that she’s all these ideas. And I mean, she’s probably done a lot of different stuff. But at the same time, like.
21 00:01:20.860 ⇒ 00:01:25.479 Uttam Kumaran: yeah, see the thing. At least invest a month of your time, see the thing, and then decide on like
22 00:01:25.960 ⇒ 00:01:30.750 Uttam Kumaran: you wanna keep going. Until then. We’re just kind of talking. And like, I don’t really wanna talk anymore.
23 00:01:30.750 ⇒ 00:01:31.490 Ivana Saginova: Yum!
24 00:01:31.890 ⇒ 00:01:35.829 Uttam Kumaran: So just gonna get by. I’m just gonna put both quotes in forever. And then
25 00:01:36.761 ⇒ 00:01:42.969 Uttam Kumaran: I think at least you should go with you and do the thing I’ll get the kind of quote for like how much it’s gonna take to build.
26 00:01:43.220 ⇒ 00:01:47.019 Uttam Kumaran: But then I also, I also think it’s it’s right for us to be like.
27 00:01:47.540 ⇒ 00:01:51.809 Uttam Kumaran: are you actually thinking? This is actually a serious thing? And she seemed like she was pretty serious about it.
28 00:01:53.420 ⇒ 00:01:58.129 Uttam Kumaran: But again, like I’m not running her company. I’m just doing the app. So.
29 00:01:58.690 ⇒ 00:02:06.880 Ivana Saginova: I know it’s funny. I mean, it’s funny, cause it’s like this is something she wants. She’s just building it for herself, and she maybe has the experience of like
30 00:02:06.910 ⇒ 00:02:13.610 Ivana Saginova: talking and doing stuff for other people, so she can make you know, I’m like, you just want this. You just want to build for you
31 00:02:14.130 ⇒ 00:02:15.170 Ivana Saginova: whatever
32 00:02:15.780 ⇒ 00:02:18.439 Ivana Saginova: I’m not like, you know, like I literally don’t.
33 00:02:18.440 ⇒ 00:02:21.829 Uttam Kumaran: I’m here to sell. I’m here to sell, so.
34 00:02:22.285 ⇒ 00:02:26.840 Ivana Saginova: Oh, my God, okay. Share screen on this.
35 00:02:28.250 ⇒ 00:02:31.200 Uttam Kumaran: Oh, and I think Britney got back so.
36 00:02:31.200 ⇒ 00:02:33.600 Ivana Saginova: Yeah, she responded. I need to respond to her.
37 00:02:33.600 ⇒ 00:02:34.210 Uttam Kumaran: Cool.
38 00:02:35.480 ⇒ 00:02:36.330 Ivana Saginova: All right.
39 00:02:36.700 ⇒ 00:02:42.599 Ivana Saginova: I’m like today. And maybe some of last week I’m like anxious and stress cause I’m like.
40 00:02:42.680 ⇒ 00:02:54.180 Ivana Saginova: there’s so much stuff I need to do one pagers this stack to send to Bernie to send to, you know, and I’m like I don’t have time to do it, and I’m like I need to just hire. I don’t know. I’m like I just.
41 00:02:54.180 ⇒ 00:03:00.950 Uttam Kumaran: Oh, well, okay. But but for sa, for sales stuff, it’s sales stuff like don’t don’t do anything for Britney until that meeting happens.
42 00:03:00.950 ⇒ 00:03:02.469 Ivana Saginova: No! No! For sure!
43 00:03:03.880 ⇒ 00:03:08.630 Uttam Kumaran: But yeah, no, no, no, that I do. I? Yeah, I mean, that’s my.
44 00:03:08.770 ⇒ 00:03:38.409 Ivana Saginova: I had another meeting with someone today, the girl that the crazy one that Olivia connected me with, that I told you about last week I met, like some other people from her team, or a company she works with, and one of the girls is really good friends with Christy. Christy Decker says, like, it’s such a small world. But it’s funny, cause they’re like, 50 year old woman. And they’re like, Have you done this before? I’m like, oh, yeah, this is like, so whatever. But there’s a so like random, like same shit that we’re doing. But they’re doing for like experiential stuff.
45 00:03:38.590 ⇒ 00:03:45.899 Ivana Saginova: And they’re just trying to understand everything I do. And I’m like, why don’t I have a doc to send them like? Here’s everything I do. You know, it’s just like, fuck me.
46 00:03:45.900 ⇒ 00:03:57.850 Uttam Kumaran: It’s tough, I mean, I think you I mean, I think you should. If you’re if you actually are having more work than you should do in your world. I think you could totally get people to do it like someone to today is just like, where do you need
47 00:03:58.110 ⇒ 00:04:18.070 Uttam Kumaran: cause I was telling. I was telling my friend who referred me to Diego was like, Yeah, we’re gonna fly before them. And he’s like dude. Do you need designs and know my friends doing all like our designs and brand, and he’s like dude. I have like all this killer design killer designers like, just let me know. And I’m like, Okay, well, send them my way, anyways, and then you should just I mean, you should see if they’re cool. So you should just subcontract to them.
48 00:04:18.190 ⇒ 00:04:20.450 Uttam Kumaran: cause I think I think it’s a mix of like
49 00:04:20.640 ⇒ 00:04:22.999 Uttam Kumaran: doing the work versus like, if you’re also just like
50 00:04:23.480 ⇒ 00:04:25.240 Uttam Kumaran: on the past, and you can be like.
51 00:04:25.250 ⇒ 00:04:37.320 Uttam Kumaran: change 2 things and send it out. But let’s take 80% done by someone else. The problem the problem is managing people is that the worst 2 icons like some function today where I message someone this morning like
52 00:04:37.460 ⇒ 00:04:49.179 Uttam Kumaran: just being like, Hey, I don’t know it up. Where’s the update for this like we’re super delayed that person like a family issue. And then he’s like dude. This is unfair. And I was like, Oh, God, it I literally wrote up like dude. Let’s just de escalate like
53 00:04:49.420 ⇒ 00:05:04.959 Uttam Kumaran: not I really like I. So have you already here. Blah blah like, that’s not what’s that question. If you have family shape. Just let me know, please, so we can like, get figure that out, and I don’t. I don’t get family comes first. Just I don’t get a fuck. You can take as much sign off if you want. I don’t care just I guess I don’t know.
54 00:05:05.000 ⇒ 00:05:16.329 Uttam Kumaran: It’s not the fact that, like I don’t need. This isn’t a company on my last company where it’s like, fuck your family. This is like a go care for this. Tell me, tell me if you take the next 5 days off. I don’t care. I just gotta tell some people that.
55 00:05:16.638 ⇒ 00:05:20.129 Uttam Kumaran: And also it was clear that he didn’t do his work in public.
56 00:05:20.430 ⇒ 00:05:27.000 Uttam Kumaran: He’s like, Oh, it’s on my machine. I’m like, Okay, well, I don’t know. I don’t know what the work could done when it’s gonna be finished
57 00:05:27.576 ⇒ 00:05:31.850 Uttam Kumaran: and like what it’s gonna contain. So I can’t communicate that we’re
58 00:05:31.910 ⇒ 00:05:34.149 Uttam Kumaran: there’s 4 people working as one client. So I’m like
59 00:05:34.460 ⇒ 00:05:44.669 Uttam Kumaran: you. Still, you still kind of fucked up. So let’s just make sure that’s like straight. And I and I, because mainly I was like, Look, I have a gut, feeling that we’re someone’s about to be pissed off. This one part of the project
60 00:05:44.680 ⇒ 00:05:45.899 Uttam Kumaran: just got feeling.
61 00:05:46.050 ⇒ 00:05:48.100 Uttam Kumaran: And I told, and the message I’m like.
62 00:05:48.330 ⇒ 00:05:50.399 Uttam Kumaran: I’ve dealt with a lot of clients.
63 00:05:51.000 ⇒ 00:05:55.689 Uttam Kumaran: I have these gut feelings. Sometimes they’re right, sometimes they’re wrong. I’m gonna say, how I feel.
64 00:05:55.850 ⇒ 00:06:08.620 Uttam Kumaran: So you can debate the gut feeling, and I actually want you to debate. Cause if you don’t debate, then I’m then I’m right around. I don’t know. So I’m happy to debate. I actually wouldn’t rather your commentary. But I’m gonna say, my gut feeling, no matter what.
65 00:06:08.950 ⇒ 00:06:10.440 Uttam Kumaran: that’s not gonna change.
66 00:06:10.570 ⇒ 00:06:17.060 Uttam Kumaran: And I my first message was, I said, hey? I have a gut feeling. I think this part of the project is like too slow. And it’s
67 00:06:17.170 ⇒ 00:06:19.379 Uttam Kumaran: we’re starting to. We’re gonna get digged on this.
68 00:06:19.380 ⇒ 00:06:19.820 Ivana Saginova: Yeah.
69 00:06:19.820 ⇒ 00:06:22.059 Uttam Kumaran: It’s at risk, like, I just gotta say that.
70 00:06:23.180 ⇒ 00:06:26.160 Uttam Kumaran: So see? That’s like managing people a cycle.
71 00:06:26.300 ⇒ 00:06:28.320 Uttam Kumaran: I don’t know. It’s like a little bit of a.
72 00:06:28.600 ⇒ 00:06:31.199 Uttam Kumaran: It’s a little bit tough. So do that. If you’re actually like.
73 00:06:31.530 ⇒ 00:06:36.010 Uttam Kumaran: okay, I really want somebody, because then it’s not. They’re not always gonna be perfect.
74 00:06:36.480 ⇒ 00:06:55.929 Ivana Saginova: No, but in a controlled manner, like I I don’t think I mean, my stuff’s different from yours, but there’s some stuff that I like do. And then I resize like this asset, for, like whatever bullshit I’m like, I didn’t need to waste 3 h of my time transferring this deck from figma to pitch like whatever the fuck that shit is so like that stuff that I can like easily delegate.
75 00:06:56.770 ⇒ 00:07:01.750 Ivana Saginova: But it’s still like issues come up everywhere, so I’m not saying it wouldn’t exist. But like.
76 00:07:01.750 ⇒ 00:07:02.305 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah.
77 00:07:03.010 ⇒ 00:07:07.539 Uttam Kumaran: yeah, someone told me to have like, try to have like standard procedures for as much stuff as possible.
78 00:07:08.446 ⇒ 00:07:16.959 Uttam Kumaran: Which I need to do, which is like, yeah, I mean again, my stuff. It seems so like it’s all sorts of issues. But as I get into more buckets of like
79 00:07:16.990 ⇒ 00:07:22.689 Uttam Kumaran: here are like 10 problems that we solve, here’s how we solve those problems. And you have, like a playbook of like
80 00:07:22.790 ⇒ 00:07:38.510 Uttam Kumaran: new client onboarding, playbook, executing work, communication thing and like offboarding and like. Just need to like write those. And he was my friend was today is like, do this, we gotta get this. And then then you can really hand off some stuff to some people and have a list of like how to do everything.
81 00:07:38.610 ⇒ 00:07:41.220 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, I’m like, yes, you’re right.
82 00:07:41.220 ⇒ 00:07:44.970 Ivana Saginova: Yeah, I mean, the nice thing is like, out flow code. The last likes
83 00:07:45.330 ⇒ 00:07:52.540 Ivana Saginova: 6 months to a year. We were so tight on resources that everything I did became so standardized with my team.
84 00:07:52.540 ⇒ 00:07:53.560 Uttam Kumaran: Okay. Great.
85 00:07:53.560 ⇒ 00:08:06.339 Ivana Saginova: So I’m like great. I can create guidelines for this. This is the same way you do this the same way you do that like whatever, and make it super easy. But it’s like I need someone to just like, do it? Do you know what I mean? But it’s like great. I I get how to do it.
86 00:08:07.640 ⇒ 00:08:08.809 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, I know. I listen.
87 00:08:08.810 ⇒ 00:08:10.230 Ivana Saginova: Show type of deal.
88 00:08:10.400 ⇒ 00:08:14.069 Uttam Kumaran: I need to go write it. Yeah, I don’t. Is that again like, I just wish.
89 00:08:14.070 ⇒ 00:08:16.710 Ivana Saginova: Mine’s so much easier than yours. Sorry.
90 00:08:16.976 ⇒ 00:08:22.030 Uttam Kumaran: No, it is. This is a little bit complicated. And also I’m dealing. People who have mixed skill sets.
91 00:08:22.330 ⇒ 00:08:26.240 Uttam Kumaran: So not everyone’s like a designer. It’s like they use all types of tools.
92 00:08:26.870 ⇒ 00:08:30.780 Uttam Kumaran: And again, I just some people just don’t have like a level of rigor that I need.
93 00:08:31.160 ⇒ 00:08:41.199 Uttam Kumaran: And I get fucking. I’m like, Yeah, I’m gonna like ice. So I you ideally, I could just do the whole thing myself. I don’t have to like work with anyone. But.
94 00:08:41.200 ⇒ 00:08:42.470 Ivana Saginova: Doesn’t work like that.
95 00:08:42.470 ⇒ 00:08:43.359 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, yeah.
96 00:08:43.360 ⇒ 00:08:59.952 Ivana Saginova: Something interesting that I’ve gone asked in the like 3 times in the last week is if I have a copywriter, if I work with a copywriter. And I was like, Oh, interesting. And like this lady I was just with. She was like, Okay, I worked in agencies like the last, like 1520 years. It’s always designed in a copywriter. Do you have a copywriter? And I’m like.
97 00:09:00.400 ⇒ 00:09:02.741 Ivana Saginova: no like, fuck me.
98 00:09:03.500 ⇒ 00:09:06.240 Ivana Saginova: I’m like it’s me, but like not. But like.
99 00:09:06.240 ⇒ 00:09:16.889 Uttam Kumaran: No. But see, copy writing is kind of like the stuff that I mean. That’s right, exactly. It’s like you could do like jackal designs. Go fill the copy. Here’s like general guidelines, and that person just knows that a right
100 00:09:17.590 ⇒ 00:09:18.970 Uttam Kumaran: pretty well.
101 00:09:20.910 ⇒ 00:09:21.600 Ivana Saginova: Yeah.
102 00:09:22.560 ⇒ 00:09:23.260 Ivana Saginova: anyways.
103 00:09:23.260 ⇒ 00:09:23.700 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah.
104 00:09:24.140 ⇒ 00:09:35.753 Ivana Saginova: We’ll dive into your stuff now. But I think what I’ll do is find someone on like Fiverr to do some like simple photo editing shit, because I spend, like at least 2 HA week editing photos for the fucking kids.
105 00:09:36.030 ⇒ 00:09:38.860 Uttam Kumaran: I was. Gonna ask my friend right now, like send me those designer.
106 00:09:38.860 ⇒ 00:09:39.630 Ivana Saginova: Yeah.
107 00:09:41.630 ⇒ 00:09:44.549 Ivana Saginova: But like they’ll they’re probably like expensive, you know, like I’m.
108 00:09:44.550 ⇒ 00:09:48.750 Uttam Kumaran: No, no, no, I I don’t. I don’t think I think these are gonna be like outsourced people.
109 00:09:48.750 ⇒ 00:09:50.860 Ivana Saginova: Oh, oh, word. Okay. Great.
110 00:09:50.860 ⇒ 00:09:59.989 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, my friend, I he built his last like everything, just on like with Diego and a couple of random people, and I think he like these won’t be like people like us.
111 00:09:59.990 ⇒ 00:10:00.460 Ivana Saginova: Okay.
112 00:10:00.460 ⇒ 00:10:05.339 Uttam Kumaran: I’m not gonna introduce you to a copy of you, if you like. Yeah, that’d be that’d be so.
113 00:10:05.340 ⇒ 00:10:05.860 Ivana Saginova: You’re in.
114 00:10:05.860 ⇒ 00:10:06.450 Uttam Kumaran: Like the.
115 00:10:06.450 ⇒ 00:10:06.990 Ivana Saginova: Editors. No
116 00:10:07.260 ⇒ 00:10:09.799 Uttam Kumaran: Be dumb as hell. This is. These are like, I think, just like
117 00:10:09.850 ⇒ 00:10:11.250 Uttam Kumaran: mercenary people.
118 00:10:11.520 ⇒ 00:10:13.370 Ivana Saginova: Oh, gorgeous! Yeah.
119 00:10:15.650 ⇒ 00:10:16.550 Ivana Saginova: down.
120 00:10:18.190 ⇒ 00:10:19.412 Ivana Saginova: Oh, and then
121 00:10:20.000 ⇒ 00:10:21.880 Ivana Saginova: Laura, my sister
122 00:10:22.571 ⇒ 00:10:26.450 Ivana Saginova: cause flow. Codes are not doing internships this summer.
123 00:10:26.510 ⇒ 00:10:33.019 Ivana Saginova: and I was like I can get you unpaid work, and she’s like down like super down. So, if you like, she.
124 00:10:33.020 ⇒ 00:10:33.620 Uttam Kumaran: Really.
125 00:10:33.620 ⇒ 00:10:57.459 Ivana Saginova: And I told her to like what you said to reach out to like nonprofits and say, like, I’ll just your website. So she’s gonna do that, too. She’s taking 2 summer classes so she can’t do anything full time. But if you were friends, you know, she’s just looking to like. Learn. See how things are done. She likes working, she’s like. Tell me what languages I should be learning. I can read you what you said, which she said to me.
126 00:10:58.294 ⇒ 00:11:02.940 Ivana Saginova: But yeah, if that’s of any interest for you or anyone you know.
127 00:11:03.550 ⇒ 00:11:05.360 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, I have a friend of mine who’s
128 00:11:05.460 ⇒ 00:11:08.939 Uttam Kumaran: in New York. That’s kind of doing what we’re doing in like full stack.
129 00:11:08.980 ⇒ 00:11:12.629 Uttam Kumaran: I can maybe just ask him like, Hey, he he does a lot of mentorship and
130 00:11:12.650 ⇒ 00:11:15.040 Uttam Kumaran: teaches a lot of people. So maybe you could do that.
131 00:11:15.390 ⇒ 00:11:18.010 Ivana Saginova: Cute. Yeah, that’s great, she said. She’s
132 00:11:18.050 ⇒ 00:11:30.109 Ivana Saginova: Alex told her to learn typescript and react. So she’s been taking like she’s been like going off. She’s like taking classes on you to me and like random ones from the public library and shit in school. And I’m like, Okay.
133 00:11:30.550 ⇒ 00:11:34.240 Uttam Kumaran: That’s how you do. That’s actually, legitimately like how you do this.
134 00:11:34.240 ⇒ 00:11:34.710 Ivana Saginova: Yeah.
135 00:11:34.710 ⇒ 00:11:36.019 Uttam Kumaran: Express that. Yeah.
136 00:11:36.920 ⇒ 00:11:39.650 Uttam Kumaran: okay, cool. I’ll think about it. Yeah, I’m talking and talk to him.
137 00:11:39.660 ⇒ 00:11:42.759 Uttam Kumaran: either today or tomorrow. He’s who I’m gonna get the quote for for that
138 00:11:43.656 ⇒ 00:11:47.839 Uttam Kumaran: and it is like he has, like a bunch of outbreaks people might be discussing so.
139 00:11:48.940 ⇒ 00:11:50.900 Ivana Saginova: Cool. Yeah, if he wants, like, I don’t know.
140 00:11:50.940 ⇒ 00:11:52.669 Ivana Saginova: 1020 HA week free.
141 00:11:52.670 ⇒ 00:11:53.260 Uttam Kumaran: Yes.
142 00:11:53.850 ⇒ 00:11:55.143 Ivana Saginova: Interim, mercenary.
143 00:11:55.790 ⇒ 00:11:56.530 Uttam Kumaran: I’ll tell you.
144 00:11:57.332 ⇒ 00:11:59.340 Ivana Saginova: Okay, I’m gonna share screen.
145 00:11:59.810 ⇒ 00:12:00.330 Uttam Kumaran: Okay.
146 00:12:01.062 ⇒ 00:12:02.527 Ivana Saginova: This one.
147 00:12:03.600 ⇒ 00:12:07.060 Ivana Saginova: Okay. So faqs
148 00:12:07.360 ⇒ 00:12:13.869 Ivana Saginova: done, I changed this to an insights company. I got rid of the proprietary because that doesn’t make sense for this.
149 00:12:14.230 ⇒ 00:12:16.194 Ivana Saginova: This look. Good.
150 00:12:19.080 ⇒ 00:12:20.070 Ivana Saginova: Okay. And
151 00:12:20.360 ⇒ 00:12:21.830 Ivana Saginova: oh, I don’t know what that is.
152 00:12:22.524 ⇒ 00:12:29.540 Ivana Saginova: This one, I think, was no notes. Did you want me to change this to one of the options you had.
153 00:12:29.810 ⇒ 00:12:33.191 Uttam Kumaran: I just had a bunch of options. I didn’t know what you thought about any of them.
154 00:12:35.920 ⇒ 00:12:37.200 Uttam Kumaran: If not, I’m biased.
155 00:12:37.200 ⇒ 00:12:41.040 Ivana Saginova: I like the one I gave you, but they all feel like they don’t mean anything.
156 00:12:41.550 ⇒ 00:12:43.579 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, they all don’t really mean much.
157 00:12:43.700 ⇒ 00:12:50.910 Uttam Kumaran: I mean the what what you said, the one you have is like, I would say, pretty good. So let’s just keep that we could try the other ones on the site.
158 00:12:51.160 ⇒ 00:12:58.660 Ivana Saginova: Yeah, okay. And then here, obviously still need to do this. But I just wanted to ask you cause I was getting
159 00:12:58.680 ⇒ 00:13:00.780 Ivana Saginova: not not confused.
160 00:13:01.405 ⇒ 00:13:04.330 Ivana Saginova: But what’s the difference between
161 00:13:04.680 ⇒ 00:13:09.269 Ivana Saginova: these 2, and is like you have this in this, Doc.
162 00:13:09.390 ⇒ 00:13:10.930 Ivana Saginova: the sub header.
163 00:13:11.040 ⇒ 00:13:11.720 Ivana Saginova: and the so.
164 00:13:11.720 ⇒ 00:13:14.829 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah. So the so the stuff on the left, the stuff.
165 00:13:14.900 ⇒ 00:13:21.170 Uttam Kumaran: the sub header stuff. This is like on every dot, basically. And then the stuff on the right is like, I’m actually going through each of the
166 00:13:21.250 ⇒ 00:13:22.500 Uttam Kumaran: different like
167 00:13:22.990 ⇒ 00:13:24.110 Uttam Kumaran: things.
168 00:13:24.882 ⇒ 00:13:28.559 Uttam Kumaran: They should. Any content that can be the same should be the same.
169 00:13:29.062 ⇒ 00:13:34.990 Uttam Kumaran: Anything that is different, which in the left one is like the higher in house section and the services
170 00:13:35.170 ⇒ 00:13:36.759 Uttam Kumaran: and the successes.
171 00:13:37.250 ⇒ 00:13:40.280 Uttam Kumaran: But everything else exists in the other Doc, too, like the footer.
172 00:13:41.442 ⇒ 00:13:42.586 Uttam Kumaran: So basically
173 00:13:44.140 ⇒ 00:13:47.055 Uttam Kumaran: yeah, the higher. And how stuff can just live here?
174 00:13:48.080 ⇒ 00:13:50.430 Uttam Kumaran: well, I don’t. I guess I’m not following what the question was.
175 00:13:50.840 ⇒ 00:13:52.719 Ivana Saginova: What’s the difference between these 2
176 00:13:54.850 ⇒ 00:13:55.500 Ivana Saginova: dogs?
177 00:13:55.733 ⇒ 00:14:00.860 Uttam Kumaran: Oh, so the one on the left is like, it’s a deeper dive into just like what we’re doing for data.
178 00:14:01.380 ⇒ 00:14:01.869 Ivana Saginova: This is the.
179 00:14:01.870 ⇒ 00:14:03.079 Uttam Kumaran: I wouldn’t I?
180 00:14:03.380 ⇒ 00:14:07.092 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah. So I’m hoping that I have one of these for each of the 3.
181 00:14:07.430 ⇒ 00:14:09.409 Uttam Kumaran: But again, I didn’t need you to.
182 00:14:09.700 ⇒ 00:14:10.490 Ivana Saginova: Oh!
183 00:14:10.530 ⇒ 00:14:14.120 Uttam Kumaran: Write those. This would just be the data specific one.
184 00:14:16.690 ⇒ 00:14:20.420 Uttam Kumaran: The one on the right is like a just like, here’s what we do.
185 00:14:20.760 ⇒ 00:14:21.569 Ivana Saginova: Oh!
186 00:14:22.380 ⇒ 00:14:23.180 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah.
187 00:14:24.410 ⇒ 00:14:24.819 Ivana Saginova: Okay.
188 00:14:25.670 ⇒ 00:14:28.020 Ivana Saginova: do you need any changes on this one.
189 00:14:30.251 ⇒ 00:14:31.960 Uttam Kumaran: No, I think that is.
190 00:14:32.090 ⇒ 00:14:34.499 Uttam Kumaran: I think that’s fine. I just put in the text.
191 00:14:34.530 ⇒ 00:14:35.820 Uttam Kumaran: I think this is fine.
192 00:14:36.660 ⇒ 00:14:37.210 Ivana Saginova: Okay.
193 00:14:37.210 ⇒ 00:14:43.430 Uttam Kumaran: Like, I’m gonna continue to iterate on this text. This, the the one on the left, the only one that needs is like the higher in house thing.
194 00:14:43.750 ⇒ 00:14:47.000 Ivana Saginova: Yeah. So all of this is correct. I just need to update this.
195 00:14:51.200 ⇒ 00:14:52.680 Ivana Saginova: Hey, pay attention.
196 00:14:52.680 ⇒ 00:14:56.505 Uttam Kumaran: Sorry. Sorry I’m getting this copywriter thing for you. I
197 00:14:56.800 ⇒ 00:14:59.730 Ivana Saginova: So everything here. I just need to do this box, and we’re good.
198 00:15:00.000 ⇒ 00:15:00.560 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah.
199 00:15:00.760 ⇒ 00:15:02.279 Ivana Saginova: Oh, okay. Great, great, great.
200 00:15:02.280 ⇒ 00:15:05.539 Uttam Kumaran: It’s it’s also like, Yeah, I just, you know, and hopefully, that
201 00:15:05.760 ⇒ 00:15:07.909 Uttam Kumaran: we can translate to the deck, too.
202 00:15:08.237 ⇒ 00:15:11.210 Uttam Kumaran: And I don’t know what’s best to transit. But I do think
203 00:15:11.230 ⇒ 00:15:27.810 Uttam Kumaran: we kind of ticked all the boxes, which is like a tagline, some text, the high level, 3 things we do, examples of like success. I just put those in bullets, by the way, like, I don’t know, or we could even link those out to the case studies eventually.
204 00:15:27.830 ⇒ 00:15:40.749 Uttam Kumaran: But like, I think that’s fine, how the way it is a Y section. I’ll like, talk about the alternatives and then, like it gets scheduled. I think it’s still a little bit noisy, but I will figure that over time. When I put this in front of people. I I like it.
205 00:15:41.380 ⇒ 00:15:46.048 Ivana Saginova: Okay, and the bullet point for successes. I was confused cause I was reading it.
206 00:15:46.580 ⇒ 00:15:49.140 Ivana Saginova: And I was like, Nick. It’s it’s very
207 00:15:49.460 ⇒ 00:15:53.809 Uttam Kumaran: What did what did you think? How did you? What did you think like? How did you envision this section.
208 00:15:54.650 ⇒ 00:15:56.660 Ivana Saginova: I thought it would be. Maybe.
209 00:15:59.350 ⇒ 00:16:00.550 Uttam Kumaran: Like logos.
210 00:16:01.240 ⇒ 00:16:16.609 Ivana Saginova: I like that. It’s not just Logos, but I think it needs a little more cause. It feels incomplete like reduction tipping costs like by 30% like, who is that for like you did that for yourself, like, I’m just lost on what or why this information is like, I think it’s helpful. Just a little more.
211 00:16:16.890 ⇒ 00:16:17.474 Uttam Kumaran: Okay.
212 00:16:18.940 ⇒ 00:16:22.960 Uttam Kumaran: I like, I like the. The reason why I liked it is that
213 00:16:23.160 ⇒ 00:16:25.080 Uttam Kumaran: it was so specific
214 00:16:25.530 ⇒ 00:16:27.359 Uttam Kumaran: about things we’ve done.
215 00:16:27.530 ⇒ 00:16:38.200 Uttam Kumaran: And that’s something that again, in my conversations with people directly some people like when I just talk broadly about the stuff like the tools we use and things like that which we have in the data
216 00:16:38.680 ⇒ 00:16:47.370 Uttam Kumaran: and that section. But some people are like, Okay, can you just like, tell me in English, like, what that means. And I’m like, Okay, cool, like, you ship stuff your business cool. This is what we did. So.
217 00:16:47.370 ⇒ 00:16:47.710 Ivana Saginova: So I thought.
218 00:16:47.710 ⇒ 00:16:48.030 Uttam Kumaran: I don.
219 00:16:48.030 ⇒ 00:17:03.459 Ivana Saginova: Who did you do this like? I I think you can this. But like negotiation, for you know, pool supply store, you know, just like a little 4 more words, maybe to give it like a little context, because otherwise I think it does that. Well.
220 00:17:05.310 ⇒ 00:17:07.250 Ivana Saginova: okay, that’s all. So I’ll just do these.
221 00:17:07.950 ⇒ 00:17:08.430 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, and.
222 00:17:08.430 ⇒ 00:17:12.359 Ivana Saginova: Then last on the website. I got this to do this.
223 00:17:13.345 ⇒ 00:17:13.630 Uttam Kumaran: Nice.
224 00:17:13.630 ⇒ 00:17:15.302 Ivana Saginova: You want it?
225 00:17:16.349 ⇒ 00:17:25.540 Ivana Saginova: do you want? I mean, I’m gonna add the things to download these Pdfs. Then did we want a section that said more about what you guys do or what you are.
226 00:17:26.069 ⇒ 00:17:27.789 Uttam Kumaran: I think this is fine for now.
227 00:17:27.799 ⇒ 00:17:30.109 Uttam Kumaran: So let’s just ship the Pdfs.
228 00:17:30.382 ⇒ 00:17:42.989 Uttam Kumaran: And then I’m going to set it to some people literally today and tomorrow, just the way they are so or whenever we get done, the one on the right is kind of done. So I’m just gonna send it to some people today just to get feedback.
229 00:17:42.990 ⇒ 00:17:44.579 Ivana Saginova: Okay, great. So I’ll just.
230 00:17:44.843 ⇒ 00:17:54.330 Uttam Kumaran: Queues are done, and then the sample profile stuff is done. So yeah, I mean, I guess what’s I can just edit it and then hit export as Pdf, right like. That’s kind of the deal.
231 00:17:54.530 ⇒ 00:17:55.720 Ivana Saginova: That’s all you do. Yeah.
232 00:17:56.340 ⇒ 00:17:56.990 Uttam Kumaran: Okay.
233 00:17:57.990 ⇒ 00:18:00.830 Uttam Kumaran: So maybe we can put this in like a finalized.
234 00:18:01.160 ⇒ 00:18:02.529 Uttam Kumaran: or we can leave it here.
235 00:18:03.460 ⇒ 00:18:06.170 Ivana Saginova: No, I’ll move it to like a this is done. Box.
236 00:18:06.570 ⇒ 00:18:10.447 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, that way, we could if we wanna do a next version. I have like examples.
237 00:18:11.290 ⇒ 00:18:11.890 Ivana Saginova: Yeah.
238 00:18:12.610 ⇒ 00:18:14.780 Ivana Saginova: Okay, cool. That’s all.
239 00:18:16.230 ⇒ 00:18:20.148 Uttam Kumaran: And then on the website stuff, can I send a note to?
240 00:18:21.560 ⇒ 00:18:23.440 Uttam Kumaran: Do you want to send a note to him, or or.
241 00:18:23.440 ⇒ 00:18:25.830 Ivana Saginova: Send a note right now. I forgot to do on Friday.
242 00:18:25.830 ⇒ 00:18:31.929 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, just send a note. And that way we can get start talking to him about like how much it’s gonna cost. And yeah, find that out.
243 00:18:32.160 ⇒ 00:18:37.110 Ivana Saginova: That other agency got back to me. The one that I worked with they’re like, yeah, are starting like.
244 00:18:37.670 ⇒ 00:18:43.120 Ivana Saginova: blah, blah blah is $20,000 like go fuck yourself. No.
245 00:18:43.540 ⇒ 00:18:45.053 Uttam Kumaran: Building websites.
246 00:18:46.480 ⇒ 00:18:49.250 Ivana Saginova: For the for the web flow website, the agency.
247 00:18:49.270 ⇒ 00:18:51.181 Uttam Kumaran: Oh, okay, okay. I mean.
248 00:18:51.500 ⇒ 00:18:54.260 Ivana Saginova: You guys, I mean again, that’s good for you. But no.
249 00:18:54.260 ⇒ 00:18:55.090 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah. Go ahead.
250 00:18:55.090 ⇒ 00:18:55.480 Ivana Saginova: And.
251 00:18:55.805 ⇒ 00:18:56.130 Uttam Kumaran: Like.
252 00:18:56.690 ⇒ 00:19:00.170 Ivana Saginova: These guys live in Berlin like they’re in Europe. They’re not living in New York City like.
253 00:19:00.170 ⇒ 00:19:02.259 Uttam Kumaran: So they’re really making money.
254 00:19:02.260 ⇒ 00:19:04.139 Ivana Saginova: Yeah, they’re really making money.
255 00:19:04.550 ⇒ 00:19:08.689 Uttam Kumaran: Well, I feel happy for them in the moment, but I’m just like just not me like I’m not.
256 00:19:08.690 ⇒ 00:19:09.170 Ivana Saginova: Yeah.
257 00:19:09.170 ⇒ 00:19:11.340 Uttam Kumaran: Gonna pay that. But I’m happy.
258 00:19:11.340 ⇒ 00:19:13.159 Ivana Saginova: But I’m glad someone is, you know. I’m glad.
259 00:19:13.160 ⇒ 00:19:14.290 Uttam Kumaran: Someone yeah.
260 00:19:14.290 ⇒ 00:19:14.780 Ivana Saginova: Aye.
261 00:19:15.040 ⇒ 00:19:22.340 Uttam Kumaran: I’m glad that you think you’re getting client stuff. It just makes me feel like I gotta charge more because here making a lot of money. But.
262 00:19:23.480 ⇒ 00:19:24.570 Ivana Saginova: Exactly.
263 00:19:24.840 ⇒ 00:19:25.720 Ivana Saginova: Okay.
264 00:19:27.190 ⇒ 00:19:32.470 Uttam Kumaran: Okay, cool. Thank you so much. Let me know about those things. I’m in slack pretty much yesterday. So.
265 00:19:32.650 ⇒ 00:19:33.390 Ivana Saginova: Bert.
266 00:19:33.900 ⇒ 00:19:34.490 Ivana Saginova: I’m.