Meeting Title: Uttam <> Ivana Date: 2024-02-20 Meeting participants: Ivana Saginova, Uttam Kumaran
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1 00:01:36.470 ⇒ 00:01:42.929 Uttam Kumaran: Hey? Give me 1 s. I’m just like connected to my laptop
2 00:01:47.820 ⇒ 00:01:48.710 Uttam Kumaran: update.
3 00:01:56.630 ⇒ 00:02:00.560 Uttam Kumaran: Can you hear me?
4 00:02:02.220 ⇒ 00:02:06.380 Uttam Kumaran: All the glare I’m outside
5 00:02:08.050 ⇒ 00:02:12.229 Uttam Kumaran: the glare. Oh, on the computer screen. Yeah, that’s the worst.
6 00:02:14.650 ⇒ 00:02:15.550 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah.
7 00:02:17.120 ⇒ 00:02:18.190 Uttam Kumaran: Okay.
8 00:02:19.820 ⇒ 00:02:23.360 Uttam Kumaran: How are ya. I’m great.
9 00:02:23.410 ⇒ 00:02:25.080 Uttam Kumaran: I’m really glad.
10 00:02:25.310 ⇒ 00:02:26.950 Uttam Kumaran: I said, how’s the day gone?
11 00:02:27.090 ⇒ 00:02:33.749 Ivana Saginova: It’s good. I’m a little like February was slow. So I’m stressed today
12 00:02:33.960 ⇒ 00:02:44.490 Uttam Kumaran: being broke. You know, we need more money like just more money.
13 00:02:44.800 ⇒ 00:02:49.469 Uttam Kumaran: I mean, yeah, I’ve I’ve got a group preaching to the choir would be
14 00:02:49.970 ⇒ 00:02:51.670 Uttam Kumaran: probably an understatement.
15 00:02:52.040 ⇒ 00:03:02.789 Uttam Kumaran: I just feel maybe everyone in our generation or everyone that’s currently 25 to 30 is just like hopelessly broke.
16 00:03:02.850 ⇒ 00:03:12.329 Uttam Kumaran: Oh, I think people are so like I you’re talking about me, and you kinda like make it like some people are not saving. They don’t have
17 00:03:12.370 ⇒ 00:03:33.390 Uttam Kumaran: anything like it’s really bad. I feel like I mean, like, I don’t have much. And I was making 6 figures the last few years so like I can’t imagine. You know New York, it’s so hard to save. No, I know. And it’s like I think you have to live a place. But even even here, if you make like 60 70 K. But then you like, go out to dinner and stuff and like
18 00:03:33.390 ⇒ 00:03:47.790 Uttam Kumaran: you’re fucked like if you enjoy your life. You’re actively like broke, I know, which is, which is tough, because the nice thing about like that’s why the nice thing about being at a company where they offer like 400 and stuff like that is that you just like shove the money there, you don’t see it.
19 00:03:48.020 ⇒ 00:03:54.060 Uttam Kumaran: It’s like for me from like we work days. And then, when I was working last year, I like float a bunch of money there
20 00:03:54.340 ⇒ 00:03:57.769 Uttam Kumaran: and like that, it’s working out, cause that’s not just sitting, but
21 00:03:58.420 ⇒ 00:04:06.209 Uttam Kumaran: like, I’m very thankful I did that because I’m not doing that right now, and it sucks like the money’s coming in, and it’s going out
22 00:04:06.710 ⇒ 00:04:19.519 Uttam Kumaran: but my philosophy has always been just making money. So
23 00:04:20.050 ⇒ 00:04:24.310 Uttam Kumaran: no, it’s still like really like month to month I was. I was talking to somebody I was like.
24 00:04:24.970 ⇒ 00:04:37.670 Uttam Kumaran: I feel like this month has been going well. But I my, I can’t really breathe until I have like 3 months of like. Okay, if I like, lose both arms and both legs, I can at least survive for 3 months, like.
25 00:04:37.930 ⇒ 00:04:39.699 I don’t have that like a month.
26 00:04:39.780 ⇒ 00:04:42.450 Uttam Kumaran: and like again I could get money from other like.
27 00:04:42.630 ⇒ 00:04:52.789 Uttam Kumaran: All things being said. I want to have like at least 3 months of just like run broad runway of like the company can survive, even if nothing happens, which, again, shouldn’t be the case ever. But
28 00:04:54.480 ⇒ 00:04:55.820 Uttam Kumaran: yeah, it’s like.
29 00:04:56.190 ⇒ 00:05:05.910 Uttam Kumaran: yeah. And this thing is tough, because so this week I’ve been I brought on. I interviewed 2 more people, and they’re both doing like kind of trial run projects for me. But the tough part is is like
30 00:05:06.300 ⇒ 00:05:14.489 Uttam Kumaran: I have to. Now. Now it’s like crunch tag, because if those people come on my margins for the stuff I was working on are like.
31 00:05:14.830 ⇒ 00:05:17.220 Uttam Kumaran: pretty much go from like 80% to like
32 00:05:17.630 ⇒ 00:05:21.499 Uttam Kumaran: 30%. So I have like.
33 00:05:22.040 ⇒ 00:05:25.659 Uttam Kumaran: maybe like I can’t.
34 00:05:25.770 ⇒ 00:05:31.309 Uttam Kumaran: I don’t even know what the math. I probably like a a month or month and a half to get someone else.
35 00:05:31.740 ⇒ 00:05:39.420 Uttam Kumaran: or I have to like those. Let those people go. But I couldn’t have got the time to go do that if I didn’t bring those people on.
36 00:05:40.330 ⇒ 00:05:53.819 Ivana Saginova: Yeah, it’s it’s weird, like, I need one more client to be like consistently on retainer, and like I thought it was Olivia. But II did a package with Olivia for her new company. That’s like
37 00:05:53.840 ⇒ 00:05:57.070 Ivana Saginova: $5,000 for 60 h.
38 00:05:57.380 ⇒ 00:06:17.740 Ivana Saginova: and I thought we would have gotten through 30 this month. But she’s using them very wisely. I’m gonna actually send that to
39 00:06:17.760 ⇒ 00:06:24.410 Uttam Kumaran: like 4 other friends that are doing like agency or like Sas work.
40 00:06:24.450 ⇒ 00:06:33.829 Uttam Kumaran: And I’m pretty sure you’re gonna get a phone call. Don’t bank on that, of course, keep keep going. But I like my friend Clint. I think he’s definitely gonna
41 00:06:33.880 ⇒ 00:06:36.959 Uttam Kumaran: like. And a lot of these guys are just raising money now.
42 00:06:37.030 ⇒ 00:06:38.270 Uttam Kumaran: So
43 00:06:39.330 ⇒ 00:06:49.860 Uttam Kumaran: again. I just want to throw your work in front of them because you’re gonna they’re gonna they want the same exact fucking thing. So yeah.
44 00:06:50.130 ⇒ 00:06:55.849 Uttam Kumaran: I met with this girl, the beer girl. Did I tell you about her? She’s like
45 00:06:56.350 ⇒ 00:07:15.800 Ivana Saginova: she’s your age fucking ball of energy, but like Tim style, where I’m like she’s never done anything like this before. She like speaks everything very matter of factly contradicts herself, and like knows what she wants, but doesn’t at all. And I’m just like baffled like I. She’ll talk at me for 40 min, and I’m like.
46 00:07:15.890 ⇒ 00:07:44.289 Ivana Saginova: Wow, so we’ll see if that goes anywhere. And then that girl. Maya introduced me to the scroll. 2 girls. One of them has a billionaire, dad, and they’re starting like some gay protein company like sure dude. Let’s fucking. I’m calling it gay. It’s like, you know, like whatever. So I’m like great love that love that anyways, let’s see where it all goes
47 00:07:45.820 ⇒ 00:07:52.029 Uttam Kumaran: cool. So I’ve been. I’ve I’ve been pretty much thinking about this stuff.
48 00:07:52.480 ⇒ 00:08:04.350 Uttam Kumaran: nonstop, and I think I have a really good like stopping point. I don’t have any other notes. But everything’s in that. Sigma glance started. So let’s walk through it all.
49 00:08:05.960 ⇒ 00:08:14.360 Uttam Kumaran: okay, if you wanna
50 00:08:14.560 ⇒ 00:08:20.359 Uttam Kumaran: follow my cursor. Okay? So basically, I was like.
51 00:08:21.750 ⇒ 00:08:49.699 Uttam Kumaran: like I was trying to think about how to. So some of this content is like duplicated in multiple places. Some of this content is unique, like a page or a part of the cycle. So I kind of just created like a little bit of a map of like, okay, these are the kind of key processes. There’s like static content that just lives on its own. That doesn’t get like, I typically probably won’t like be there while this gets explained. There’s stuff that’s like free sale, which is like, I get a referral, or I’m doing outbound.
52 00:08:50.100 ⇒ 00:08:54.499 Uttam Kumaran: Hmm! Sending material to people. So this is like stuff like, what do we do?
53 00:08:54.840 ⇒ 00:08:56.490 Uttam Kumaran: Who do we partner with?
54 00:08:56.680 ⇒ 00:09:07.599 Uttam Kumaran: Probably some f some of the fa ques? And then, like a one pager about like the entire thing. There’s also stuff that goes into the sale process. This is probably requires a little bit more
55 00:09:07.720 ⇒ 00:09:18.110 Uttam Kumaran: room for like customizing. But either way, it’s just assets it’s kind of about like when I actually leverage them. And this actually may help also, for
56 00:09:18.140 ⇒ 00:09:31.389 Uttam Kumaran: what we work on. First, second thing is, I kind of did was like, look, the fa ques are in multiple places. So that’s probably like something to work on content wise, and that gets plugged in or parts of it get plugged in
57 00:09:31.520 ⇒ 00:09:39.399 Uttam Kumaran: similar to the service offering. There’s like parts of the service offering that maybe long form in certain areas, shorter form.
58 00:09:39.500 ⇒ 00:09:43.780 Uttam Kumaran: And then the last thing is kind of like the website, I generally was like.
59 00:09:43.800 ⇒ 00:09:46.570 Uttam Kumaran: okay, I’ve been looking at a lot of these websites.
60 00:09:46.820 ⇒ 00:10:02.160 Uttam Kumaran: basically, the ones that are best. And the way I kind of want to keep it also, just for, like my sanity is like just a couple of like key landing pages. The landing pages should just further elaborate on things. You get into the homepage.
61 00:10:02.300 ⇒ 00:10:19.800 Uttam Kumaran: and then but all in all, a lot of the properties are duplicated. As you see, there’s like things that exist in multiple places, the only things that are probably specific to these landing pages, or like this honestly, which may be just like, further on the data services further on the AI services.
62 00:10:19.830 ⇒ 00:10:21.110 Uttam Kumaran: But
63 00:10:21.210 ⇒ 00:10:27.270 Uttam Kumaran: I would say, a lot of it is just content. It’s just. It’s just like one main homepage.
64 00:10:27.280 ⇒ 00:10:49.390 Uttam Kumaran: 2 sub landing pages and about us. And then, if we were to add more landing pages, they probably inherit the same structure. So hopefully, a lot of this lends itself to like if we were to add more later, or move stuff or move stuff around. These are just modules. And so again, the hope is that, like at minimum, you come to the homepage. I don’t want stuffed in sub pages, because no one’s gonna go there.
65 00:10:49.670 ⇒ 00:10:58.369 Uttam Kumaran: Everything should be just like laid out. Basically. And again, a lot of this content is similar content. That’s all in here. Right? So
66 00:10:58.600 ⇒ 00:11:12.770 Uttam Kumaran: hopefully, like the content pieces can all just get plugged in. And then it’s more is like thinking about the document structure for each of these. But I guess like, what do you think of this? So far?
67 00:11:12.960 ⇒ 00:11:20.379 Uttam Kumaran: I have like opinions going into each of these sections, and I’m like, kind of. I now have like enough
68 00:11:20.490 ⇒ 00:11:42.240 Ivana Saginova: stages of their journey.
69 00:11:42.400 ⇒ 00:11:49.289 Ivana Saginova: and the sales process right like that’s all we have. It’s just like, do they know you? Do they not know you and like, maybe there’s different
70 00:11:49.290 ⇒ 00:12:13.589 Ivana Saginova: a content there that the queues may differ on pre sale. And you know, sales process. But it’s all so I think, like this is good. You have it laid it out. The next step is just like, make the service offering Doc like right? Just make a wireframe of it. Whatever doesn’t need to be like something you’d give to a client, but just something that I can take and then like, make it look better, you know.
71 00:12:13.590 ⇒ 00:12:14.280 Okay.
72 00:12:14.420 ⇒ 00:12:24.850 Uttam Kumaran: so let me let me try and do that, for I’m gonna go through and do it for as much. The the key things like the key primary things are like, honestly, these.
73 00:12:24.920 ⇒ 00:12:35.259 Uttam Kumaran: probably like these 2. And yeah, honestly, probably these 2. And I think the third one, I’m just gonna rip. Anyways, the reason why I think the third one is nice is because
74 00:12:35.550 ⇒ 00:12:56.879 Uttam Kumaran: I’m actually doing a lot of this like, I’m sending a lot of people like, I’m I’m telling people about. You. Tell people about a couple of other people, and I not. I want to incentivize people to partner with me more. But also I want to build credibility via like these relationships, which is like, Hey, we’re partnered with people that do really great design
75 00:12:56.880 ⇒ 00:13:13.430 Uttam Kumaran: legal growth marketing. All this stuff. So cause a lot of people that work with me. They ask me about all these things, and I’m like, you know, just go here for this thing or go here for this thing. If I send people work, they’re gonna send me work. So that’s what I want to kind of like nail with this partnership collateral. I actually don’t think
76 00:13:13.730 ⇒ 00:13:18.500 Uttam Kumaran: this is gonna probably just be very. It’s like the formatting of this, I doubt, is gonna be anything
77 00:13:18.850 ⇒ 00:13:26.540 Uttam Kumaran: like unique. But you just said, and you said it to me before, but for some reason this time I thought of like
78 00:13:26.570 ⇒ 00:13:43.590 Ivana Saginova: you know, when you’re like a member at a club or something, and all of a sudden you have access to like like. That’s the vibe. So I feel like almost laying it out in a way that feels like by being a member, not member, right wrong.
79 00:13:43.590 ⇒ 00:14:08.030 Uttam Kumaran: but like you get access to. Like all of this, you get specialized rates, you get, you know what’s will make up some like marketing jargon. But that way it feels like, you know, you’re not just working with you. You’re like getting access to all of these great things. No, I pretty know what the one thing II send us an email is. I tell this when I come on. I said, like, you’re not only buying like the services that you’re paying for, you’re buying like my network.
80 00:14:08.140 ⇒ 00:14:33.959 Uttam Kumaran: Me being able to pick up a phone call and call
81 00:14:33.960 ⇒ 00:14:58.819 Ivana Saginova: connected to. And like you kinda get that and then also on, like you’re doing data for them. But you’re they’re not just getting data right. They’re getting a better running business. They’re getting a whole ecosystem that you can help them with. All you know, even though your focus is just data.
82 00:14:59.700 ⇒ 00:15:02.389 Uttam Kumaran: And they’re like cool cause they trust me. And then I’m like
83 00:15:02.430 ⇒ 00:15:13.820 Uttam Kumaran: pretty much like, Bring that per I call that person like, you know. Do you have time. Let’s go do this thing. And it’s like, it’s actually I actually work. It’s actually, that’s how it’s been like. And this month 2 of those events happened.
84 00:15:14.060 ⇒ 00:15:33.859 Uttam Kumaran: Where I was like, oh, damn! This was literally that in practice where I told them, I’m like, I pretty much can get on the phone with anyone the skill set. They asked me, do you have the skill set? I’m like I don’t. But I have someone put out like a general like yo anyone know some of the person that do do this? Found someone brought them on
85 00:15:33.860 ⇒ 00:15:45.439 Uttam Kumaran: getting them paid, and like that was the whole turnaround of like. Oh, actually did that for these guys. And I brought them value where, if they were to have gone into the market and source that themselves, it would have been a nightmare.
86 00:15:45.560 ⇒ 00:16:02.410 Uttam Kumaran: you know. So I think that’s exactly what this is document is supposed to be doing. And then, on the other end is, I’m hoping that these partners. once they are able to get work from me, they’ll then send work my way. And like, that’s it’s a really great win win.
87 00:16:02.520 ⇒ 00:16:10.710 Uttam Kumaran: and I wanna lean more on like these sort of like business to business relationships, because a lot of my work has come through that so far. So
88 00:16:10.770 ⇒ 00:16:23.280 Ivana Saginova: yeah, okay, so how about we focus on this pre-sale section for now? So I think a lot of this material will like you already have the sales tax. If you need anything immediately adjusted on that, let me know we can have
89 00:16:23.300 ⇒ 00:16:48.280 Ivana Saginova: something there. Let’s make these materials like, just go through and write out like the dots we said, and then we’ll circle back to the website. Kind of. But let’s just do this. I think some of the questions. And like I need to figure out some of the communication on, like what we just said. But I think we’ll just show in these, and then we can
90 00:17:13.190 ⇒ 00:17:19.960 Uttam Kumaran: like each of these services can be its own like half page document. So
91 00:17:20.369 ⇒ 00:17:33.669 Uttam Kumaran: it’s like, gonna it’s like, I’m gonna need some help to understand when to like page break and like feel like this should be its own doc versus like what’s like a high level overview. And they have different intentions. And that’s what I’m like trying to figure out like.
92 00:17:34.200 ⇒ 00:17:46.289 Uttam Kumaran: That’s why I think, having each of these associated with a sale process helps to be like, oh, this is like, if they’re asked another question, then they’re further in the process, right? And so to understand where to break things off.
93 00:17:46.360 ⇒ 00:17:52.599 Uttam Kumaran: Okay. So let’s assume right now, we’re just doing like very surface level. And then, after
94 00:17:52.600 ⇒ 00:18:16.019 Uttam Kumaran: this surface level, Presale section will dig kind of one layer deeper, and then we can make a specific Pdf, for each of those. I’m excited about the case study section like, I think those will be good to high also, like instead of you telling people, hey? I haven’t been working. I kind of did that similar to like. If you scroll to the top under info
95 00:18:16.020 ⇒ 00:18:26.219 Uttam Kumaran: like this is like simple and sleek. So we could do like, I don’t know. This is maybe more website. This thing I was looking at like that looks nice.
96 00:18:26.600 ⇒ 00:18:34.810 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, I mean again. Yeah, II looked at a lot of just like where, yeah, exactly where I liked, how this had like a little bit of a carousel. And then
97 00:18:35.030 ⇒ 00:18:42.220 Uttam Kumaran: couple of different things. And it was like, really, nicely designed. And yeah, I can. I looked at some of
98 00:18:42.290 ⇒ 00:18:45.100 Uttam Kumaran: yeah, no, no, that makes sense.
99 00:18:45.370 ⇒ 00:19:09.109 Uttam Kumaran: We’ll we’ll do like this section, and I think the rest will kind of answer itself. And then I think in the future, like on your website, you could have a section for kind of each of those things, and we refine the content bit more. It’ll make the website process a little bit better, because I have. I like so many ideas about the website, because so many of the company that we’re looking at have done such a poor job
100 00:19:09.310 ⇒ 00:19:11.299 Uttam Kumaran: at translating.
101 00:19:11.520 ⇒ 00:19:33.359 Uttam Kumaran: Why, like what the value is immediately. And then why, what? They’re what they’re currently like, articulating what their problem is explaining like, what a solution could be. And then, third, explaining to why we should be the ones to solve the problem. It’s like so poor. And so I think there’s a lot of opportunity to just be really, really aggressive at the website.
102 00:19:33.480 ⇒ 00:19:47.120 Uttam Kumaran: And that’s where I’m like, I have a bunch of ideas after looking at like 50 other agency websites across data and other stuff where they just have done a such a poor job at hitting like what the problem is.
103 00:19:47.140 ⇒ 00:20:07.929 Uttam Kumaran: how you solve that problem. What’s the feeling of like that problem being solved. And then, like the the last thing I’ll mention is a lot of this pre sale work actually helps the person I’m interacting with sell on my behalf internally. So that’s what’s something that I didn’t really like kind of get until like, probably last week, where I was like, oh, this shit is not me selling that person, because
104 00:20:07.930 ⇒ 00:20:24.620 Uttam Kumaran: that’s probably sold, probably just like the idea to solve. But they have to go to their boss, or like a procurement person, put something that was like, these are the guys doing someone saw like, Oh, they look legit, you know. That’s what I want to flip. Yeah, that’s what I want to flip.
105 00:20:25.130 ⇒ 00:20:35.399 Uttam Kumaran: It’s like, how do I help that person sell me internally? And then they can get confidence that like, Oh, these guys look like pretty legit. They’ve got a ton of stuff
106 00:20:35.580 ⇒ 00:20:39.400 Uttam Kumaran: and like, here’s and here’s like the 3 bullets you should tell your boss.
107 00:20:39.420 ⇒ 00:20:41.059 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah. So that’s
108 00:20:41.240 ⇒ 00:20:48.259 Uttam Kumaran: a lot of the other firms. They’re not thinking that way. So I want to really like, Push that hell hard.
109 00:20:48.450 ⇒ 00:20:50.330 Uttam Kumaran: Yes.
110 00:20:50.390 ⇒ 00:21:09.279 Uttam Kumaran: So okay, so let me, I’m gonna probably honestly have that today. So I’m just gonna write those things up in Sigma, just like with a little bit of wireframe. And then I’ll just shoot it to you. Great, yeah. And I think, like, the information on is like the end goal.
111 00:21:09.460 ⇒ 00:21:11.010 Ivana Saginova: Yeah, that’s it.
112 00:21:11.020 ⇒ 00:21:12.290 Uttam Kumaran: Okay.
113 00:21:12.850 ⇒ 00:21:16.249 Uttam Kumaran: okay, okay, nice.
114 00:21:18.610 ⇒ 00:21:19.640 Uttam Kumaran: What else?
115 00:21:20.620 ⇒ 00:21:26.709 Ivana Saginova: That’s it. I need to do work, my little Rebrand project.
116 00:21:26.920 ⇒ 00:21:28.000 Uttam Kumaran: They’re awesome.
117 00:21:28.230 ⇒ 00:21:36.379 Uttam Kumaran: Did you see my story last night?
118 00:21:36.440 ⇒ 00:21:44.700 Uttam Kumaran: Remember how I told you Nolan bought ugly furniture for our basement last year, so I decided to start selling it
119 00:21:44.780 ⇒ 00:22:03.730 Ivana Saginova: because we have, like too many we like just we did the basement. Some agree, but wanna like do more. So he bought this hideous table, and I listed everything on Facebook. We did it like in the car yesterday we were driving home from Long Island. I got like 15 responses in an hour. I listed it for 100 bucks, and no one’s like, let’s just Google it.
120 00:22:03.830 ⇒ 00:22:09.569 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, is it Westdown? Or like Cbt or something? What is it?
121 00:22:09.910 ⇒ 00:22:12.090 Ivana Saginova: I don’t know what the fuck it is.
122 00:22:12.860 ⇒ 00:22:18.980 Ivana Saginova: Hold on! Let me just pull it up on on my computer.
123 00:22:19.990 ⇒ 00:22:21.260 Ivana Saginova: I think. So
124 00:22:21.420 ⇒ 00:22:24.109 Ivana Saginova: let’s go. Let’s go. Google Image search.
125 00:22:24.130 ⇒ 00:22:29.110 Uttam Kumaran: Let me just take you through the process. I did. Where is it?
126 00:22:33.720 ⇒ 00:22:43.630 Uttam Kumaran: I mean, it looks like either fancy or cheap, like I can’t really. Oh, my God, no way! What? So it’s a replica.
127 00:22:44.290 ⇒ 00:22:49.540 Uttam Kumaran: Oh, damn! It’s like actual. Is it actual, cherish.
128 00:22:50.120 ⇒ 00:22:54.320 Uttam Kumaran: cherish cherishes like a resell site? Oh.
129 00:22:55.750 ⇒ 00:23:01.340 Ivana Saginova: oh, damn! I’m like, where did you guys find this? Nolan bought it on
130 00:23:01.520 ⇒ 00:23:05.699 Ivana Saginova: Craig’s list. We were on Long Island from this woman’s house, and she was like
131 00:23:05.870 ⇒ 00:23:33.070 Ivana Saginova: she sold it to us for $45. No one was like how about 40, and she’s like, no needs to be 45. He’s like, okay, like, let me go get more cash then. And she was like, Yeah, my parents paid a lot of money for this, and we like. Didn’t think anything of it until literally last night. II don’t know if it mean it’s the only like that thing is the only thing I can find about it online at all. And so I submitted a thing to Sotheby’s.
132 00:23:33.680 ⇒ 00:23:36.030 Uttam Kumaran: So
133 00:23:37.150 ⇒ 00:23:43.609 Uttam Kumaran: alright. That’s Od. Just sell the fucking table.
134 00:23:43.650 ⇒ 00:23:54.859 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, but I don’t know if anyone’s paying money for it, someone responded on Instagram was like, just sell it for 30 less or whatever. And I was like, Okay, so I’ll list it. But I’ll just see if
135 00:23:55.010 ⇒ 00:23:59.019 Uttam Kumaran: do that. I mean, yeah. You guys are in Brooklyn like Hype up the description
136 00:23:59.030 ⇒ 00:24:02.880 Ivana Saginova: paste that photo, and someone will just buy it just for the story.
137 00:24:03.120 ⇒ 00:24:04.650 Uttam Kumaran: like, just for that cloud.
138 00:24:05.740 ⇒ 00:24:21.460 Ivana Saginova: Yeah, send them to some of these like logo be like currently in the listing process. That’s Southern. You’re like, gas it up.
139 00:24:21.530 ⇒ 00:24:32.099 Uttam Kumaran: Her name’s Jess. Her name’s Jessica, but she goes by Jesse, and then I call her Jess. She’s good. She’s like mad, stressed out. She’s trying to have a house storming this Friday. She called it off.
140 00:24:32.270 ⇒ 00:24:37.429 Uttam Kumaran: Cause she’s mad, stressed out. And then, like her work is like so fucked
141 00:24:37.630 ⇒ 00:24:47.760 Uttam Kumaran: like she teaches. And it’s like, very, very difficult. I’m like yo you just need. And then she’s also up. She’s like been unpacking like every day for like 2 weeks. I’m like yo just relax like.
142 00:24:47.900 ⇒ 00:24:55.569 Uttam Kumaran: let some go until next month. He’s like, do. I can’t have to unpack everything. Otherwise I’m a little bit crazy about like
143 00:24:56.020 ⇒ 00:25:08.079 Uttam Kumaran: I like you just got real lucky. Just chill chill in your house for a sec. Yeah, she’s like unpacking like every waking minute. She’s like, I’m back to this. I’m on track to this thing.
144 00:25:08.310 ⇒ 00:25:21.929 Uttam Kumaran: She doesn’t have a. She does have a lot of stuff, but a lot of it is like stuff that’s been in boxes for a long time. So she’s like, just putting stuff away and throwing stuff out. But again she she wakes up with like probably 6 gets something like 4,
145 00:25:22.330 ⇒ 00:25:27.209 Uttam Kumaran: and then, like she has like a her dog, and so like by the time she gets to do stuff.
146 00:25:27.420 ⇒ 00:25:51.650 Uttam Kumaran: it’s like she’s like I have like a couple of hours of day to like unpack, and the weekends right. Do so. I’m like she. I think she’s stressed out about that. But I did. I mean I helped her move. I would help her unpack. I think I would just get in the way II usually just go over there and watch. Love is blind and sit down the couch and send me the dog. But
147 00:25:51.650 ⇒ 00:26:01.700 Uttam Kumaran: yeah, that’s been good, though that’s been good. Otherwise I feel like this month I was able to sell a couple of different things. And just like, really
148 00:26:01.900 ⇒ 00:26:04.559 Uttam Kumaran: like, actually deliver a lot of stuff. And then
149 00:26:05.180 ⇒ 00:26:09.790 Uttam Kumaran: finally, like, there’s like 4 people working in the background. That’s it
150 00:26:09.880 ⇒ 00:26:19.200 Uttam Kumaran: for me, which is like, really, really great. It’s like a weird feeling like transitioning so like not doing some of the work.
151 00:26:19.230 ⇒ 00:26:30.439 Uttam Kumaran: But I really need to like start selling so much. I couldn’t be more excited for this stuff because I’m gonna send this to every fucking person on planet earth that I have interacted with.
152 00:26:30.470 ⇒ 00:26:42.430 Uttam Kumaran: And it’s gonna look sick. And it’s gonna blow out the fucking water. And and then I’m gonna and then again, I’m I’m so I’m so confident I’m gonna get you a couple of clients just based on this work.
153 00:26:42.530 ⇒ 00:26:48.370 Uttam Kumaran: There’s a bunch of people who I’ve been interacting with, and I’m like, did your collaterals ask? But then I don’t have good collateral either.
154 00:26:48.490 ⇒ 00:26:59.840 Uttam Kumaran: so I can’t like I can’t like fitness that. But you know very soon to come, so I’m excited for some. II may just go. I may impromptu go back to California next week for like a week
155 00:26:59.960 ⇒ 00:27:02.370 Uttam Kumaran: like it. I’m feeling kind of just like.
156 00:27:02.690 ⇒ 00:27:22.189 Ivana Saginova: like, you know, just like kind of like, I want to get the fuck out of here. Girlfriend’s gonna be mad at that. But I’ve been here for 4 months.
157 00:27:22.420 ⇒ 00:27:35.060 Uttam Kumaran: I haven’t moved. I haven’t moved at all, cause this is so like this is so time consuming. And then I only now I feel like a little I have like probably a little bit of a sigh of relief. That stuff’s going.
158 00:27:35.510 ⇒ 00:27:39.109 Uttam Kumaran: And so I’m like, I’m just gonna just go home and hang on mom.
159 00:27:39.790 ⇒ 00:27:49.790 Uttam Kumaran: So I’m like, I may just impromptu book a bunch of tickets. So yeah, so it’s a last year
160 00:27:49.800 ⇒ 00:27:55.970 Uttam Kumaran: she’s coming and playing a tennis tournament actually here in Austin. So she’s visiting. And my parents are visiting next month
161 00:27:56.040 ⇒ 00:27:59.880 Uttam Kumaran: so everyone’s gonna be here. And
162 00:28:00.420 ⇒ 00:28:02.650 Uttam Kumaran: yeah, I don’t know what she’s gonna do. Like.
163 00:28:02.770 ⇒ 00:28:13.430 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, I don’t know. I’ve given her a lot of advice. She’s doing environmental policy. She has like a couple of internships and stuff
164 00:28:15.240 ⇒ 00:28:23.069 Uttam Kumaran: I don’t really know how to help her, because I don’t not like. I don’t know anyone in that world. I know a cat. I know. I only know, like capitalists like money, hungry
165 00:28:23.410 ⇒ 00:28:32.029 Uttam Kumaran: type people. So I don’t know, like any environmental anyone doing good shit in the world. Yeah, I don’t know anything like that
166 00:28:33.590 ⇒ 00:28:38.349 Uttam Kumaran: so, but I don’t know. I’m glad she’s like finishing everything up.
167 00:28:39.750 ⇒ 00:28:52.290 Uttam Kumaran: I do. It’s like the weather here is getting great like. It’s like 70 degrees.
168 00:28:52.400 ⇒ 00:29:02.020 Uttam Kumaran: I’ll open the door. Your heating, bill. Oh, no way.
169 00:29:02.050 ⇒ 00:29:11.419 Ivana Saginova: Yo! It’s frigid. I feel cool, just seeing that I know that’s crazy.
170 00:29:15.160 ⇒ 00:29:17.019 Uttam Kumaran: That’s funny.
171 00:29:17.160 ⇒ 00:29:18.339 Uttam Kumaran: And 50 bucks.
172 00:29:29.110 ⇒ 00:29:51.559 Ivana Saginova: Laura’s sophomore sophomore. Yeah.
173 00:29:51.610 ⇒ 00:30:00.080 Uttam Kumaran: Do you think she’s interested in anything in particular? Or she’s just doing like random Cs stuff. Oh, okay, cool.
174 00:30:00.220 ⇒ 00:30:01.350 Uttam Kumaran: I mean.
175 00:30:03.470 ⇒ 00:30:06.990 Uttam Kumaran: yeah, I can think of a couple of people that may be interested.
176 00:30:08.480 ⇒ 00:30:11.639 Uttam Kumaran: And in turn, I mean, like. Wish you work for free?
177 00:30:12.480 ⇒ 00:30:37.810 Ivana Saginova: No, because she’s she’s been making so much money as a a swim coach and gymnastics like she makes she makes cash. It would. She would need to make money to not do that. But she could do something on the side that’s like she wouldn’t do it full time. Maybe she could do something less hours for free. She’s down. She wants to experience.
178 00:30:37.880 ⇒ 00:30:44.810 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, it’s tough, like, you have to go to a big company that promises. A lot of people apply for those internships at big companies.
179 00:30:45.350 ⇒ 00:30:57.489 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah. And that small companies like mine. I don’t have time to kind of like guide people. So that’s like you have to find someone in the middle.
180 00:30:57.500 ⇒ 00:31:04.800 Uttam Kumaran: Even if she worked for me for free, I’d be like, yeah, like, I got pretty much. I’d give her the website project it’d be like, Go try this.
181 00:31:05.120 ⇒ 00:31:08.470 Uttam Kumaran: I don’t think she’d be good for that. Yeah. So
182 00:31:10.920 ⇒ 00:31:20.220 Uttam Kumaran: I mean, she should just go. She should go work for like some nonprofit or something locally like she should go do like the Comp. Like. I used to go work at the food bank and did their whole like Crm system and website.
183 00:31:20.470 ⇒ 00:31:29.249 Uttam Kumaran: Still, to someone nice for a little bit like that, they’ll they’ll hire volunteers. And they might even put some budget towards it like food banks or
184 00:31:29.260 ⇒ 00:31:30.969 Ivana Saginova: community staff.
185 00:31:39.810 ⇒ 00:31:41.650 Uttam Kumaran: Nice.
186 00:31:41.790 ⇒ 00:31:47.460 Uttam Kumaran: another one another one a type for a living.
187 00:31:47.620 ⇒ 00:31:50.949 Uttam Kumaran: Oh, my God!
188 00:32:12.750 ⇒ 00:32:21.799 Uttam Kumaran: Markowitz! Alexand seedy. I’m gonna talk with her. Maybe it was just the 3 of them.
189 00:32:22.150 ⇒ 00:32:23.699 Ivana Saginova: and they were all like.
190 00:32:23.780 ⇒ 00:32:35.509 Ivana Saginova: just do an online. And she didn’t like it. And now she’s enjoying it.
191 00:32:36.460 ⇒ 00:32:41.550 Ivana Saginova: Yeah, it’s it’s good. I feel like if I would say, if you’re
192 00:32:41.560 ⇒ 00:32:59.149 Uttam Kumaran: you, just kinda wanna just like cruise around the world like. Do see us right now, like, that’s the perfect thing. If you like to type all day. Once you learn how to code, you read stuff like blah blah! And I’m like dude like, Shut up
193 00:33:00.340 ⇒ 00:33:09.179 Uttam Kumaran: yo, it is getting glamorized a lot. I feel like I come across some tiktoks on Twitter. And yeah, people are like day, the life of like a programmer. And it’s like.
194 00:33:09.310 ⇒ 00:33:12.799 Uttam Kumaran: Oh, you get to listen, to spotify all day. Shit like that, I’m like.
195 00:33:12.850 ⇒ 00:33:17.759 Uttam Kumaran: thank you. But then again, there’s it’s so if you actually look at the work, it’s so boring
196 00:33:17.970 ⇒ 00:33:28.369 Uttam Kumaran: like you really have to like staring at like theater like solving these like weird niche problems. It doesn’t get much more interesting. Nobody gets like clouded up. If you’re like good at programming.
197 00:33:28.580 ⇒ 00:33:45.690 Uttam Kumaran: it’s like, it’s so lame. And and it’s like all dates. But the money’s good. So
198 00:33:45.990 ⇒ 00:33:47.689 Uttam Kumaran: 1 million percent
199 00:33:47.750 ⇒ 00:33:55.490 Ivana Saginova: we’ll take it. Oh, my God! Alright! I’m gonna go! Do work!
200 00:33:55.600 ⇒ 00:33:58.830 Uttam Kumaran: Send me shit when you’re ready.
201 00:33:58.980 ⇒ 00:33:59.440 Bye.