Meeting Title: Rimo | Project Kickoff Date: 2025-10-03 Meeting participants: Ryon, Surfield’s Fathom Notetaker, Surfield Thomas, Jr., cameron, Awaish Kumar, Amber Lin
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1 00:00:21.310 ⇒ 00:00:22.940 Surfield Thomas, Jr.: Hey, Tammy.
2 00:00:23.640 ⇒ 00:00:25.819 Ryon: You can! Pleasure meeting you. How are you doing?
3 00:00:25.820 ⇒ 00:00:27.240 Surfield Thomas, Jr.: Hey, how’s everything going?
4 00:00:27.410 ⇒ 00:00:28.460 Ryon: Good, good.
5 00:00:32.600 ⇒ 00:00:34.609 Surfield Thomas, Jr.: Give me 2 seconds…
6 00:00:37.940 ⇒ 00:00:44.700 Surfield Thomas, Jr.: Let me move some stuff around on my computer…
7 00:00:51.930 ⇒ 00:00:57.359 Surfield Thomas, Jr.: Yes, while we wait for everybody else, just a quick run in.
8 00:00:57.480 ⇒ 00:00:59.520 Surfield Thomas, Jr.: Hey, how’s everything going?
9 00:00:59.520 ⇒ 00:01:03.089 Ryon: Good, yeah, so just as an introduction for you,
10 00:01:03.220 ⇒ 00:01:13.800 Ryon: My name is Ryan. I am the head of web and CRO here at Eden, so I’m gonna be kind of helping out with this project at a high level, sort of seeing things.
11 00:01:13.800 ⇒ 00:01:15.440 Surfield Thomas, Jr.: Trying to help manage it.
12 00:01:15.440 ⇒ 00:01:16.240 Ryon: Cool.
13 00:01:16.240 ⇒ 00:01:18.220 Surfield Thomas, Jr.: You said Web N-C-R-O?
14 00:01:18.220 ⇒ 00:01:19.510 Ryon: Web and CRO, yep, yep, yep.
15 00:01:19.510 ⇒ 00:01:20.370 Surfield Thomas, Jr.: Okay, cool.
16 00:01:20.370 ⇒ 00:01:24.109 Ryon: And, yeah, that’s just me.
17 00:01:24.360 ⇒ 00:01:29.600 Ryon: Awesome, sweet. Cameron and I have been working together for a while, so, yeah. Hey, Cameron, how’s everybody doing?
18 00:01:31.570 ⇒ 00:01:35.179 Surfield Thomas, Jr.: similar, but… Cameron, you’re there? Did everybody hear me?
19 00:01:36.070 ⇒ 00:01:37.480 Ryon: Hey, how’s everything going?
20 00:01:37.730 ⇒ 00:01:39.359 cameron: Good, good, how’s it going?
21 00:01:39.650 ⇒ 00:01:41.060 cameron: It’s gone.
22 00:01:43.160 ⇒ 00:01:45.030 Amber Lin: Hello! So…
23 00:01:45.030 ⇒ 00:01:45.670 Surfield Thomas, Jr.: River.
24 00:01:45.670 ⇒ 00:01:49.499 Amber Lin: Hi, I think on my agenda today, I want to…
25 00:01:49.590 ⇒ 00:02:01.130 Amber Lin: make sure that we have all the access to be able to start work, so mainly there’s a GitHub and the Redshift that we need access to, so we’re sort of gonna start exploring over there. And then we want to…
26 00:02:01.130 ⇒ 00:02:14.829 Amber Lin: Double down the priorities to make sure, we know what’s most important to you, because things might have changed, since we last talked, and we want to double down on that, make sure we know what to deliver first.
27 00:02:14.980 ⇒ 00:02:30.110 cameron: Okay, so… just want to get a… do we… I didn’t see the updated scope of work, because originally, Remo was supposed to sign it, and then Eden signed something. Does someone have the scope of work that what’s supposed to be done, they can share? Because I haven’t seen the most up-to-date one.
28 00:02:31.190 ⇒ 00:02:33.820 Amber Lin: Let me go and grab them.
29 00:02:34.400 ⇒ 00:02:36.530 Ryon: Are you talking about the Notion page?
30 00:02:37.120 ⇒ 00:02:39.909 cameron: Something, yeah, I mean, whatever the scope of work is.
31 00:02:40.580 ⇒ 00:02:43.850 Ryon: I believe this is it, Amber. You tell me if I’m wrong. I dropped it in the chat.
32 00:02:51.770 ⇒ 00:02:53.599 Awaish Kumar: Yeah, no, that’s not…
33 00:02:53.600 ⇒ 00:02:58.309 Amber Lin: Nope, this is all… yeah, let me send you the… let me send you the one I’ve been working on.
34 00:02:58.310 ⇒ 00:03:03.200 cameron: You’re gonna have to… I have to be able to see it, because I can’t see it right now.
35 00:03:03.540 ⇒ 00:03:04.180 Amber Lin: Yeah, I see.
36 00:03:05.190 ⇒ 00:03:07.630 Amber Lin: Mmm… Mmm.
37 00:03:07.630 ⇒ 00:03:12.750 Awaish Kumar: This discussion is more like consulting for remote platform.
38 00:03:12.750 ⇒ 00:03:16.799 Ryon: Right, right. Sorry, I just want to make sure that I understand. This is the Remo side work, not the.
39 00:03:16.800 ⇒ 00:03:21.569 cameron: I just wanna… I wanna, I wanna understand it, yeah, I just wanna see what’s… what’s going on here.
40 00:03:28.100 ⇒ 00:03:35.950 Amber Lin: I think Ryan should have access. Let me invite both of you to that page, just in case.
41 00:03:38.810 ⇒ 00:03:39.950 Awaish Kumar: Oh my goodness.
42 00:03:44.640 ⇒ 00:03:48.170 Awaish Kumar: Yeah, Jan already has the access.
43 00:03:50.620 ⇒ 00:03:52.159 Awaish Kumar: You can add.
44 00:03:52.160 ⇒ 00:03:54.540 Ryon: Yeah, I got this picture. Cool, cool, cool. Thank you.
45 00:03:55.820 ⇒ 00:03:59.390 Ryon: I’m gonna save this for everybody under my, mindful.
46 00:03:59.530 ⇒ 00:04:02.600 Ryon: Amber, I think you have access to this, but I’ll send you to my vote.
47 00:04:02.600 ⇒ 00:04:07.470 cameron: Okay, cool. So, I just wanna… I wanna double check. Is this…
48 00:04:07.590 ⇒ 00:04:14.530 cameron: Is this more of, like, the Remo side of things, or the Eden side of things? This is what I’m confused about, because…
49 00:04:14.530 ⇒ 00:04:17.019 Awaish Kumar: Remo, remote side of things.
50 00:04:18.720 ⇒ 00:04:19.320 cameron: Okay.
51 00:04:19.489 ⇒ 00:04:21.349 Awaish Kumar: SOF is, like, our…
52 00:04:21.519 ⇒ 00:04:31.609 Awaish Kumar: solution architect and, like, specialist for backend engineering, so he’s, like, he’s going to maybe help with the architecturing
53 00:04:31.989 ⇒ 00:04:36.339 Awaish Kumar: The database, all the software architecture, and things like that.
54 00:04:36.479 ⇒ 00:04:44.779 Awaish Kumar: Or further on the remote, help with multi-tenancy things, and maybe help you decide on tools if you’re stuck with any things like that.
55 00:04:44.779 ⇒ 00:04:45.279 Surfield Thomas, Jr.: Yep, -.
56 00:04:45.280 ⇒ 00:04:45.850 cameron: Okay.
57 00:04:46.100 ⇒ 00:04:53.059 cameron: Cool. So, what’s gonna end up happening, just so you guys know, when Remo…
58 00:04:53.420 ⇒ 00:04:57.639 cameron: and Eden, when Remo is gonna transition the code to Eden.
59 00:04:57.900 ⇒ 00:05:15.100 cameron: part of the plan that I’ve talked to a few developers is actually ripping out the multi-tenant for Eden’s specific instance. Because what’s going to end up happening is for Eden to maintain a multi-tenant application will cost them significantly more
60 00:05:15.170 ⇒ 00:05:17.939 cameron: Then, to maintain a single-tenant application.
61 00:05:18.160 ⇒ 00:05:24.859 cameron: In developer load, and I’d like to hear your thoughts on this. That’s what… that’s what me and a couple developers decided on.
62 00:05:24.860 ⇒ 00:05:40.990 cameron: On the other hand, from a Remo side, it doesn’t make sense to have Eden on a multi-tenant platform, because the features and things they want are so uniquely complicated that for a multi-tenant platform to constantly support that would be a drain to its entire business model.
63 00:05:43.380 ⇒ 00:05:53.570 Surfield Thomas, Jr.: Okay, interesting. Change of events. But I could work with this, I guess. Let’s think of it in two steps. Let’s think of it from the remote… from Remo’s perspective.
64 00:05:53.910 ⇒ 00:05:54.900 Awaish Kumar: if…
65 00:05:54.900 ⇒ 00:06:00.909 Surfield Thomas, Jr.: Remo has a product, and they need to apply that product for Eden, right?
66 00:06:00.910 ⇒ 00:06:01.560 cameron: I guess.
67 00:06:01.560 ⇒ 00:06:10.460 Surfield Thomas, Jr.: kind of spoke to it. There’s two different ways. There’s having them come onto the multi-tenant platform, or creating them their own partial, which is like a white-glove solution.
68 00:06:10.460 ⇒ 00:06:11.529 cameron: And Color’s getting, like.
69 00:06:11.530 ⇒ 00:06:14.230 Surfield Thomas, Jr.: enterprise, solutions.
70 00:06:14.230 ⇒ 00:06:16.050 cameron: Right? Which could be, like, again.
71 00:06:16.350 ⇒ 00:06:20.890 Surfield Thomas, Jr.: Everything that you already have reset up and just, like, deployed on their servers, on their.
72 00:06:20.890 ⇒ 00:06:22.020 cameron: Exactly.
73 00:06:22.020 ⇒ 00:06:23.200 Surfield Thomas, Jr.: Okay, cool.
74 00:06:23.200 ⇒ 00:06:40.730 cameron: Now, here’s the main difference, right? So, and this is the thing that… this is just what the EL… like, Eden’s executives want. So, they want to be in control, and they want to have their own employees working for Eden to, like, maintain it. And this is something that they’ve, like, told me previously.
75 00:06:41.480 ⇒ 00:06:51.190 cameron: from my understanding, like, as of right now, Remo is kind of, you know, initially we had the little soft launch, we kind of, you know, closed back down, kind of.
76 00:06:51.370 ⇒ 00:07:08.070 cameron: close back our doors a little bit to focus some time on building out our technology. Our approach to Remote, just so you understand, is that simplicity is probably the best case here. So, if someone wants to build custom intakes, we’ll work with embeddables, right? If someone wants,
77 00:07:08.380 ⇒ 00:07:26.819 cameron: good data tracking will have, like, webhooks that go to amplitude or segment, right? You can use rudder stack, but rudder stack sucks. But one of those, like, amplitude or segment, depending on your thing, right? So, the goal of the Remo is to be very much more simpler, like, even intake forms, right?
78 00:07:26.980 ⇒ 00:07:39.750 cameron: intake forms, we’re not going to put them in the database, because the amount of engineers we’d have to hire to maintain that is exorbitantly high. And you can take a look at this when I share you the codebase. So we decided on some kind of, like, hybrid
79 00:07:39.840 ⇒ 00:07:51.840 cameron: package-based intake system where some is in the database, some is in actual code, so when we update it, it’s easier. But at the end of the day, I’m not sure how much you guys were filled upon on this, but…
80 00:07:51.990 ⇒ 00:08:01.549 cameron: I want to figure out that, you know, there’s Phase 1, there’s phase two, and then there’s obviously, you know, there’s A, finishing up the Remo platform, which, honestly, it’s around, like, 90% complete.
81 00:08:01.550 ⇒ 00:08:16.810 cameron: And you guys can go through it, see what’s going on. And the second part is, which is the more important part, at least I think, because Eden’s the one that’s contracting you, is figuring out how to necessarily implement the specific things specifically to Eden, like segment and all that stuff.
82 00:08:16.850 ⇒ 00:08:28.730 cameron: into their own enterprise, as you said, partial, because that’s what, obviously, they want. Like, I’m just letting you know, for Remo, it may not make sense for us to sit here and spend a lot of effort
83 00:08:28.730 ⇒ 00:08:52.790 cameron: trying to, like, you know, build custom data stuff for every single person, it may make sense just to fire them webhooks and say that’s a U problem, kind of like what BAS does, right? But on the other hand, with Eden’s code, they want you guys to be actively involved with the data inside of Postgres, et cetera, et cetera. You see what I’m trying to say here, right? So, the original plan of having Eden on as a tenant doesn’t make sense
84 00:08:53.030 ⇒ 00:09:04.470 cameron: to any of us, which comes for me, as a Remo owner, for Eden’s development team, I’ve talked to, like, 3 people so far, and they’ve all told me, and this is where you guys can chime in as well and let me know, it just doesn’t make sense at all.
85 00:09:07.540 ⇒ 00:09:13.910 Surfield Thomas, Jr.: Okay, so I guess, let me rephrase it and ask, is it… you had something, Amber?
86 00:09:14.540 ⇒ 00:09:16.000 Awaish Kumar: I have a clarification question.
87 00:09:16.000 ⇒ 00:09:16.320 Surfield Thomas, Jr.: Okay.
88 00:09:16.320 ⇒ 00:09:25.239 Awaish Kumar: Sure. So, when you say the Eden team want… wanted to… Include the segment, like.
89 00:09:25.400 ⇒ 00:09:36.220 Awaish Kumar: integration, like, natively. I didn’t actually get it, like, the… what Basque does currently is that they have given an
90 00:09:36.740 ⇒ 00:09:40.290 Awaish Kumar: option to create a webhook where you can just give your URL,
91 00:09:40.450 ⇒ 00:09:44.600 Awaish Kumar: And they will send the request there, whatever it is, if it is…
92 00:09:44.600 ⇒ 00:09:52.100 cameron: Exactly. Yeah, that’s what Mass does, right? But what Eden wants, right, is Eden, instead of having, like, you know, like, like,
93 00:09:52.270 ⇒ 00:10:13.750 cameron: what do you… what’s the other one? It’s not Snowflake, what do we use? BigQuery. Instead of BigQuery being the source of truth, they want the Postgres, right, with actual EMR to be the source of truth. Instead of using webhooks, they want to use Segment’s native SDK, and these are things that make sense for Eden, but doesn’t make sense for Remo to implement, because it’s only a specific use case, you know?
94 00:10:14.360 ⇒ 00:10:20.840 cameron: it costs us a lot of man hours to do it at Remo, that we just simply… it’s not… it’s… we don’t make money from doing it, it doesn’t make sense.
95 00:10:21.160 ⇒ 00:10:36.879 cameron: But for Eden’s side, it makes sense to do it. That’s why we decided to go, into basically taking it and having a partial, and then what’s gonna end up happening is, if there’s continued updates to the Remo platform, they’re gonna end up being downstreamed around every month.
96 00:10:36.880 ⇒ 00:10:44.909 cameron: Where we pick the most important updates and downstream them, so there’s at least some continued support there. It’s not, like, a stale platform.
97 00:10:44.910 ⇒ 00:11:03.319 cameron: But what’s gonna end up happening is Eden’s own engineers are gonna go so off track, they’re gonna add integration with Eden Health Club, they’re gonna add integration with, like, an Eden form, and these are things that are specifically very important to Eden, but in the grand scheme of things, in order to be a company to compete with Basque, doesn’t matter at all.
98 00:11:03.450 ⇒ 00:11:12.050 cameron: So that’s kind of the reason why we’re going this direction, and I’d love to hear your thoughts on it, but as far as me talking to multiple people, this is the thoughts that we’ve had so far.
99 00:11:15.380 ⇒ 00:11:15.970 Surfield Thomas, Jr.: Boop!
100 00:11:16.170 ⇒ 00:11:21.350 Surfield Thomas, Jr.: I guess I could… I want to ask some questions and kind of take away, from this. So…
101 00:11:21.790 ⇒ 00:11:40.019 Surfield Thomas, Jr.: I guess first off, I’ve been in this seat a lot of times. Most companies have a platform solution, and then they have, like, an enterprise sell-off, right? Because there’s just two ways to kind of just segment that market. It makes it easy, and the enterprise solution always pays a little bit more for more customization, so let’s start there.
102 00:11:40.380 ⇒ 00:11:41.640 Surfield Thomas, Jr.: I guess.
103 00:11:42.940 ⇒ 00:11:50.989 Surfield Thomas, Jr.: From the original documentation, it very much seemed like we were working on Remo-specific, like, hardening.
104 00:11:51.580 ⇒ 00:12:10.950 Surfield Thomas, Jr.: Because the new client, Eden, in this use case, is big, and they need it to work in a specific way, but I assume that Eden would be a line item and a tenant on the money tenant architecture. Now, it seems like that might not be the case, which is fine. I guess then my question is…
105 00:12:11.800 ⇒ 00:12:24.700 Surfield Thomas, Jr.: Are we now shifting and working on more of the single-tenant architecture and solutions, specifically for the Eden-Ribo engagement, or still on
106 00:12:24.820 ⇒ 00:12:26.320 Surfield Thomas, Jr.: Remo as a product.
107 00:12:26.320 ⇒ 00:12:41.720 cameron: that’s… I’m assuming, since, like, the amount… I’m sure someone here knows the amount of the contract, I’m assuming that most of this work, right, is to prepare, and correct me if I’m wrong, right, is to prepare the migration from Eden
108 00:12:41.830 ⇒ 00:12:51.810 cameron: to BASC to the new Eden operating system. Now, there is some things that, you know, it wouldn’t hurt
109 00:12:51.810 ⇒ 00:13:08.160 cameron: because right now, we’re still developing the multi-tenant before we take it and scrap it down, and we’re still hiring some engineers, right? So Eden wants to have their own development team. They want to have everything in-house, but they just didn’t want to have to build it from ground up.
110 00:13:08.310 ⇒ 00:13:21.739 cameron: So they came to us, right, Remo, a startup, we built it up from ground up, and they basically want to take and inherit the code, and just take it over from there and expand in a direction that we have no… we cannot, and we don’t have an interest in offering.
111 00:13:21.760 ⇒ 00:13:28.820 cameron: So that’s… that’s just the direction they want, right? So, like, certain things, like implementing with the health club, like… let me see…
112 00:13:29.080 ⇒ 00:13:31.519 Surfield Thomas, Jr.: This makes sense.
113 00:13:31.520 ⇒ 00:13:44.799 cameron: Yeah, so for example, event streaming, BigQuery integration, validating… yeah, see, this is… this is correct. Now, some things can be realigned, for example, the future, everything secure is still there, right? All it is, is, like, the multi…
114 00:13:44.800 ⇒ 00:13:56.459 cameron: End of the day, all it is is when we take the multi-tenant and scrap it down, it’s just reducing the models and just getting rid of the third conjoining table, right? So, it’s not… it’s not that tricky to do.
115 00:13:56.490 ⇒ 00:13:57.719 cameron: Good. I’m involved.
116 00:13:58.400 ⇒ 00:14:09.329 cameron: we were gonna keep the multi-tenant and just run it as one tenant, but we realized adding features took a lot longer, and it’s gonna cost us more to maintain, so we ran the numbers, probably gonna cost us, like.
117 00:14:09.520 ⇒ 00:14:16.040 cameron: two times in staff to just maintain multi-tenant, even though we’re only renting in a single. So, doesn’t make sense.
118 00:14:16.690 ⇒ 00:14:20.559 Surfield Thomas, Jr.: Yep, so I guess I’ll ask another question there.
119 00:14:20.850 ⇒ 00:14:28.910 Surfield Thomas, Jr.: Are we thinking about ripping out the multi-tenant functionality, and actually, like, just retrofitting the thing to Eden?
120 00:14:29.270 ⇒ 00:14:39.539 cameron: Yeah, that’s what we’re gonna do for this. So once we… the multi-tenant app is, like, obviously the startup. It’s probably gonna be at the point of completion in, like, a month or so.
121 00:14:39.550 ⇒ 00:14:51.060 cameron: we’re gonna probably just get our whole teams. Eden needs to hire some developers, you know, we’ve… they’ve had some unlucky hires, that just didn’t work out, so getting the right people in place.
122 00:14:51.060 ⇒ 00:15:01.550 cameron: And then we’re probably gonna go through just an entire, like, week of just scrapping all the third… all the joint tables for the multi-tenancy system, and just go to single-tenant. It wouldn’t… it wouldn’t take too long.
123 00:15:02.330 ⇒ 00:15:04.089 cameron: And I’ve already asked,
124 00:15:04.860 ⇒ 00:15:09.879 cameron: Elt for even if this is what they want to go, and Josh told me, yeah, single tenant is fine.
125 00:15:12.600 ⇒ 00:15:13.750 Surfield Thomas, Jr.: ways to solve.
126 00:15:14.400 ⇒ 00:15:20.619 Surfield Thomas, Jr.: Yeah, I guess this makes sense. I think… Amber…
127 00:15:21.650 ⇒ 00:15:24.649 Surfield Thomas, Jr.: We might have to just clean up some other docs.
128 00:15:24.900 ⇒ 00:15:25.380 Amber Lin: Yes.
129 00:15:25.380 ⇒ 00:15:26.240 Surfield Thomas, Jr.: for this?
130 00:15:26.240 ⇒ 00:15:27.150 Amber Lin: Yeah.
131 00:15:27.150 ⇒ 00:15:36.310 Surfield Thomas, Jr.: But again, yeah, there’s just… there’s some cleanup on that side to kind of happen, but shifting down to a single-tenant application where it’s just…
132 00:15:36.430 ⇒ 00:15:48.230 Surfield Thomas, Jr.: repackage it and making sure all the estimations for a white-labeled solution, to be delivered, more or less call it, from Remo to Eden. Doable.
133 00:15:51.250 ⇒ 00:15:57.110 cameron: Yeah, I mean, at the end of the day, you guys just have to let me know. I mean, I think this is definitely the best solution, but…
134 00:15:57.680 ⇒ 00:16:10.119 Surfield Thomas, Jr.: Well, I’ll give you an example. So, I used to work at PayPal, Venmo, on the Venmo product specifically, and half of my team was an R&D team from a company called Stride.
135 00:16:10.120 ⇒ 00:16:27.389 Surfield Thomas, Jr.: And basically, companies kind of do this all the time. They’ll hire out a third-party company to build out a specific siloed vertical. This was the disputes engine, because they wanted to allow you to be able to dispute your Venmo payments, like, on the platform. We just didn’t have the engineering resources to go build it ourselves.
136 00:16:27.390 ⇒ 00:16:39.099 Surfield Thomas, Jr.: So we brought on a team, they consulted, they built the entire product, I led the risk team, and then once they were leaving with that engagement, they wanted to shift all of those products that were built under my organization.
137 00:16:39.250 ⇒ 00:16:46.210 Surfield Thomas, Jr.: That’s fine, because they built us, again, a white-gloves kind of solution based on our specs, so we knew how it worked.
138 00:16:46.210 ⇒ 00:16:46.579 cameron: But the…
139 00:16:46.580 ⇒ 00:16:47.840 Surfield Thomas, Jr.: Kind of just slide that in.
140 00:16:48.110 ⇒ 00:17:11.620 cameron: Yeah, the hardest part about the EMR, right, is mostly, like, the logic of, like, hey, like, bundling orders together, like, the APIs to connect with the pharmacies, right? The rest of the application, multi-tenant makes it complicated, but for Eden, you could run the entire app off webhooks. You could have all your emails instead of having to write them in the platform. Like, for example, us. As a multi-tenant, we have to write transactional emails in the platform, because
141 00:17:11.619 ⇒ 00:17:19.919 cameron: It’s something that we can charge… it’s something that… it’s a service that we have to provide. If we… if, like, just like Shopify, we can’t provide a platform without transactional emails, right?
142 00:17:20.339 ⇒ 00:17:40.179 cameron: So, for someone like Eden, you don’t need inbuilt transactional emails, you want it to only go to CIO, so then it can be configured there, right? So, this is the route that I think is the best, and to be honest, Remo’s probably going to be opening its doors back up in, like, December, January for people to come back on, so I think that this is the route I want to go.
143 00:17:40.760 ⇒ 00:17:49.270 Surfield Thomas, Jr.: Yeah, again, I see no reasons in why we can’t go single-tenant if we’re talking about just the engagement for
144 00:17:49.440 ⇒ 00:18:05.349 Surfield Thomas, Jr.: Remo and Eden. Because again, when looking at the docs, it says multi-tenant, so I thought it was hardening the architecture for, again, like a go-to-market strategy, which means a bunch of companies are coming on, we want to make sure that it batten down the ashes, and it can take on Eden’s workload, but that’s fine.
145 00:18:05.350 ⇒ 00:18:12.010 cameron: I mean, here’s the thing, I don’t also mind… if it comes to the thing of… having to…
146 00:18:12.180 ⇒ 00:18:17.619 cameron: you know, contract Brain Forge to do that for Remo directly, I’m not opposed to that, right?
147 00:18:17.770 ⇒ 00:18:24.710 cameron: I just want to make sure that the work that Eden’s paying for, because there’s a lot of stuff that has to be done, is done. You know what I’m saying?
148 00:18:25.980 ⇒ 00:18:48.529 cameron: Like, if you guys take a look at it and see some stuff, like, just to give you some, you know, ideology with the codebase, everything’s fully on Vercel. It’s inside of a monorepo. When I give you access to the repo, you guys can see. It’s inside of a monorepo. We rely heavily off of third-party services, like Trigger.dev is all of our, job system, it’s all through Trigger.dev.
149 00:18:48.530 ⇒ 00:18:49.570 cameron: Right?
150 00:18:49.570 ⇒ 00:18:55.929 cameron: our live chat, I think we’re gonna go third party through GetStream, HIPAA compliant.
151 00:18:57.450 ⇒ 00:19:07.869 cameron: our database Postgres using Prisma, so you’ll take a look at the application. I’ll make sure you guys get the access, by today, so I’ll do that before I leave.
152 00:19:08.460 ⇒ 00:19:32.050 cameron: And then what we’ll do is you guys can just take a look at it. I think you’re gonna have to re-scope the original document, but to be honest, if you spend maybe, like, 5 hours on multi-tenant, or, like, you know, if you see it, you can get feedback on it, but it’s not a main priority. If there’s a possibility of another engagement with Brainforge and Remo directly after this whole Eden thing, 100% down to focus on that, so…
153 00:19:36.070 ⇒ 00:19:38.999 Awaish Kumar: Yeah, like, I think, like, we…
154 00:19:39.470 ⇒ 00:19:56.699 Awaish Kumar: obviously have to work on descoping, but before that, I also see there are a lot of open-ended questions, which we, like, which the, like, the Aiden team or Remo executives haven’t decided on. So, things like if they want to go to a single-tenant or a multi-tenant thing, or…
155 00:19:56.700 ⇒ 00:20:03.560 cameron: So, I already talked to Josh from the ELT. It’s been decided that Eden’s going to single-tenant.
156 00:20:04.450 ⇒ 00:20:06.860 Awaish Kumar: Okay, so that’s decided, okay.
157 00:20:07.030 ⇒ 00:20:11.970 cameron: Because I even talked to other developers too, right? It can stay multi-tenant.
158 00:20:12.000 ⇒ 00:20:27.770 cameron: But what’s gonna end up happening is if Eden wants to build on top of the multi-tenant, and it doesn’t align with what Remo needs, I can’t maintain it. Like, it’s… it’s… if it’s single-tenant, I can downstream. The codebase will shrink by 50%. You don’t need it.
159 00:20:27.870 ⇒ 00:20:43.120 cameron: I just simply can’t maintain it if it’s… I can’t maintain two giant platforms at once. And also, Eden wants a lot of customizable features, so it… the only way that I can sit here and confidently tell their team that, hey, I can maintain this codebase 100%, is to slim it down.
160 00:20:44.840 ⇒ 00:20:45.710 Awaish Kumar: Okay.
161 00:20:46.700 ⇒ 00:20:54.029 cameron: So that’s already been decided. I think that… I already asked Josh on a call a couple days ago, and Josh was like, I don’t care, just give me a platform, make sure it’s single-tenant, so…
162 00:20:54.030 ⇒ 00:21:09.429 Amber Lin: Okay, awesome. Then on my side, I want to quickly confirm, like, what is the top priorities for you? Because I know we might have some changes in scope, and while we do that, we want to make sure we still deliver the items that you care the most about.
163 00:21:09.450 ⇒ 00:21:23.010 Amber Lin: And I know the most immediate deliverables are going to be, say, the architecture assessment, the system ERD, the…
164 00:21:23.340 ⇒ 00:21:29.969 Amber Lin: and Infra Audit, are those still the top priorities for you right now? Like, the most urgent top priorities?
165 00:21:30.560 ⇒ 00:21:39.499 cameron: I mean, obviously, looking through the code, it would be ideal. Looking in the database and seeing, I mean, I’m pretty confident in my ability, but it’s always good to have a third party come check it out, so…
166 00:21:39.800 ⇒ 00:21:42.670 cameron: Have you guys come check it out if you notice any issues.
167 00:21:42.680 ⇒ 00:21:57.569 cameron: Obviously, let us know, but the main priority is, obviously, everything… you guys basically, like, you guys do all of Eden’s data right now, you gotta think about, like, hey, we’re gonna be doing data in this new platform, how can we set it up so this platform is built for Brainforge?
168 00:21:57.570 ⇒ 00:22:10.390 cameron: it’s not built for BASC or built for third party, how can we set this new multi-tenant, single-tenant platform so it is working with Brainforge and everything Brainforge does natively? So we don’t have to have
169 00:22:10.390 ⇒ 00:22:21.080 cameron: untyped webhooks being sent over, stuff that could be missed, right? These are the things that, at least from my opinion, I think this is a question that should be more directed for Eden employees, like Ryan, I think you can fill in more on that.
170 00:22:22.660 ⇒ 00:22:23.590 Ryon: Yeah.
171 00:22:23.810 ⇒ 00:22:28.210 Ryon: Sorry, multitasking here, but what do you want me to fill in a little bit on camera?
172 00:22:29.170 ⇒ 00:22:31.149 cameron: Well, basically, we just,
173 00:22:31.340 ⇒ 00:22:46.439 cameron: discussed, they wanna… Brainforge wants to know the main priorities, so obviously code quality is one, knowing vulnerabilities is another. There’s one thing I will disclose right now, since we’re not fully in prod, or the actual planet scale itself
174 00:22:47.110 ⇒ 00:23:04.829 cameron: Their specific library does encryption, but there’s one layer we have to add on top of it, so to become HIPAA compliant is to make sure the database is… data is encrypted before being stored in the database. So that’s not done yet, because we’re not in production, but I have the code written, so just letting you guys know that. But their main priority is…
175 00:23:05.560 ⇒ 00:23:08.369 Ryon: Yeah, so let me just briefly here. Code quality is number one.
176 00:23:09.280 ⇒ 00:23:15.980 Ryon: Vulnerabilities, compliance, two, and then scalability, 3. Being able to scale on this, basically.
177 00:23:18.580 ⇒ 00:23:19.400 cameron: Okay.
178 00:23:19.510 ⇒ 00:23:38.369 cameron: Yeah, and some of that, I’m not sure if you guys are also gonna give advice on this. Most of the scalability stuff, I mean, our entire application is, like, a serverless Next.js application, so you can pretty much shove it on Vercel, and it will scale up to as much as it needs, and to be honest, it’s not that expensive either. Any long-living task…
179 00:23:38.720 ⇒ 00:23:46.719 cameron: usually greater than, like, 4 or 5 seconds goes on trigger, and that’s not that expensive either. So…
180 00:23:46.820 ⇒ 00:24:00.430 cameron: You’re gonna… I think we’re gonna have to circle back internally at Eden and figure out the priorities. I mean, from my side, the priorities are is A, the BASC migration, B, setting up the data so everything we’re doing right now is much simpler to do in the future, right?
181 00:24:00.430 ⇒ 00:24:09.070 Ryon: Sorry, what priorities are you referring to? Are you priorities referring to the brain porch priorities? Are you referring to what our priorities are to get things off? The BAS migration is number one. Like, that’s priority one.
182 00:24:09.070 ⇒ 00:24:13.700 cameron: range forwards, like, priorities, right? So being able to, like, you know, we have to find a way.
183 00:24:13.700 ⇒ 00:24:18.180 Ryon: Sorry, real quick, camera, we’re getting the two sides mixed up, which is why I’m asking. There’s the Remo.
184 00:24:18.710 ⇒ 00:24:23.809 Ryon: Brainforge side, and then there’s the Remo Eden side. Brainforge is going to be advising on both.
185 00:24:24.150 ⇒ 00:24:39.229 Ryon: The priorities for each might change or differ slightly. As far as the Eden Brainforge side of migrating data over, right, we’ve got to get the BASC migration done ASAP, right? But that’s contingent on the Remo Brainforge side being completed, and then…
186 00:24:39.230 ⇒ 00:24:54.819 cameron: Correct. What we just discussed is basically that since we’re going to be going to a single-tenant application, and the current codebase is multi-tenant, the main priority right now is looking for vulnerabilities, looking at code quality, and then the second priority is ensuring that
187 00:24:54.950 ⇒ 00:25:13.559 cameron: you guys have, like, we’re gonna be hiring engineers at Eden, so having everything in place, so when those engineers are on board, they can start developing out everything you guys need to continue doing our data much easier, and a way to kind of retrofit that with the data we have now in BASC, so we don’t lose anything.
188 00:25:13.560 ⇒ 00:25:19.689 Awaish Kumar: So… Like, Cameron, and like, when you started working on this platform.
189 00:25:19.790 ⇒ 00:25:22.180 Awaish Kumar: For example, for surf, it would be…
190 00:25:22.240 ⇒ 00:25:35.480 Awaish Kumar: easier to look at… build the data… the database design or architecture diagram if you see all the data flows, all the different features we need. Like, obviously, when you build the EMR,
191 00:25:35.480 ⇒ 00:25:45.339 Awaish Kumar: platform, you must know, like, how a patient will come, all the prescriptions, and things like that. You must have some documentation around it, if you could share it with us.
192 00:25:45.370 ⇒ 00:25:50.010 Awaish Kumar: It would be… it would help us in designing the database.
193 00:25:50.160 ⇒ 00:26:09.509 cameron: I started work on the workflows. Surf, I’m not sure if you’re working this weekend, but I’m finishing up our Git book, so, by Monday, I’ll have a decent Git book. I can also share you our source code. You can take a look at it, just a warning, it’s pretty hefty, just because it’s multi-tenant. I think you’ll… I think you’ll understand. It’s architected pretty good. There’s some things that I wish I could have done better.
194 00:26:09.710 ⇒ 00:26:11.460 Awaish Kumar: But you just let me know.
195 00:26:12.240 ⇒ 00:26:14.470 Surfield Thomas, Jr.: You could send it to me this weekend, I’m working this weekend.
196 00:26:14.870 ⇒ 00:26:26.279 cameron: I’ll send it to the second it’s done. And then, yeah, I mean, you’ll take a look at it. The multi-tenant stuff, I mean, it’s extremely relational, because we… in healthcare, we have… we gotta follow, like, acid, you know, you gotta make sure that…
197 00:26:26.620 ⇒ 00:26:29.029 cameron: Like, JSON’s great, but it’s not.
198 00:26:29.030 ⇒ 00:26:29.820 Surfield Thomas, Jr.: So…
199 00:26:31.230 ⇒ 00:26:55.869 cameron: you know, for most of our stuff, like, there’s a shit ton of relation… excuse my language, a lot of relational tables, but for the intakes, we just decided, like, and you can take a look at it, and this is probably the best route for both, Eden and for Remo, because at Remo, we’re not going to be offering custom intakes unless someone’s paying us for it. So, we just basically decided in order to save on development resources, the intakes would basically be a combination of, like, the actual
200 00:26:55.870 ⇒ 00:26:57.000 cameron: components itself.
201 00:26:57.000 ⇒ 00:27:08.410 cameron: would be written in the code, and you can just basically, like, from the database, define the variables, so they’re type-safe, right? So you know what variables are going to be stored in the database.
202 00:27:08.410 ⇒ 00:27:15.030 cameron: And the variables are what controls the form, and then you actually, like, use the variables inside of the code to determine what you want to go on.
203 00:27:15.030 ⇒ 00:27:33.580 cameron: So, that was the easiest way. We looked at BASC, we looked at the issue of there being a million different intakes, and we’re like, alright, how can we make an intake system that’s actually somewhat decent, and that we can have developers code stuff, and, you know, they can leverage AI and LLMs and, like, cursor and be able to, like, run at really fast speeds?
204 00:27:33.580 ⇒ 00:27:49.780 cameron: and then also, at the same time, not run into issues of database migrations and production. An issue we face in Basque right now is someone will edit one thing in Basque, they’ll submit the flow to approval, and our main funnel will go down for, like, a day. Or, like, no one… and Ryan can testify to this, no one can send them traffic, right? So,
205 00:27:49.860 ⇒ 00:27:55.909 cameron: Remo’s decision, we’re just like, alright, no custom funnels. If you want a custom funnel, use embeddables.
206 00:27:56.040 ⇒ 00:28:08.200 cameron: And then you’re gonna have to wait for us to approve it. Or, you know, we just build it out customly, or, for example, in Eden’s instance, they’re gonna have developers building up the funnels, which is exactly what HIMSS is doing, and Future Health is doing.
207 00:28:08.200 ⇒ 00:28:26.480 cameron: So, I’ve never, like, met anyone come to me and saying, hey, this is a really good form builder. We should use a form builder over coding it ourself. So, that’s my approach on that one. But there’s a lot of things I think we could talk about. I don’t want to, like, take up your time on this call. This is more like a brief introduction call. I think the next step is for me to get access to the codebase.
208 00:28:26.630 ⇒ 00:28:42.209 cameron: To you, and then you can start deep diving and taking a look at it, and then come back to me. I’ve had a couple people look at it, even Nick, one of our engineers. They’ve told me it’s pretty well structured. There are some things that can be improved, but that’s just coding for you. So, love to hear your thoughts, and then we’d go from there.
209 00:28:42.650 ⇒ 00:28:52.319 Surfield Thomas, Jr.: So, I have a couple questions, high level, the simple tenant thing that we’re going to be sending over, right, is going to be the replacement for BASC 1.
210 00:28:52.680 ⇒ 00:29:03.469 cameron: That’s correct. Like, right now, you’re gonna receive the multi-tenant one. All we’re gonna be doing, and you can take a look at it, any model that’s prefixed with the letter name Store is gonna be Gonzo. That’s it.
211 00:29:03.730 ⇒ 00:29:09.069 Surfield Thomas, Jr.: Oh, sweet. And then, I guess, my next question, then, is, right, like.
212 00:29:09.430 ⇒ 00:29:22.919 Surfield Thomas, Jr.: again, a lot of the documentation is shaped around, like, Remo and me understanding more about Remo, but I’m also curious to, like, hear on the Eden side. Not saying I want to change anything, but it’s quite interesting, because, like, if…
213 00:29:23.290 ⇒ 00:29:39.699 Surfield Thomas, Jr.: Eden’s gonna be taking over and then hiring engineers, it’d be… it’s one thing to kind of say, well, Eden already has engineers, right? And they already have code, right? Do you guys use JavaScript internally? That sort of stuff? Because, like, maintaining what we would, in this scenario, call, like, a satellite team.
214 00:29:39.700 ⇒ 00:29:47.690 Surfield Thomas, Jr.: It’s, like, operating side of Eden, but really on Remo’s product, which is, like, built a little bit different. Again, causes…
215 00:29:47.810 ⇒ 00:29:51.639 Surfield Thomas, Jr.: an interesting exchange inside of the Eden entity.
216 00:29:51.860 ⇒ 00:30:00.249 Surfield Thomas, Jr.: Right? So, like, again, in that example that I gave, Venmo’s a Python shop. We made sure that they wrote everything in Python that qualifies the way that we would write Python.
217 00:30:00.250 ⇒ 00:30:16.240 cameron: Yeah, so here’s… here’s what happened. So Eden did hire two engineers in TypeScript. They were… they were horrible. So, had to get rid of them. Remo’s had some… had some… had some engineers, but to be honest, most of it’s been done by just me. I mean, I’ve… I brought independent contractors to help.
218 00:30:16.830 ⇒ 00:30:33.220 cameron: It’s hard to find good engineers. We finally, at Remo, just… we went the route that takes a long time to do, but it’s my favorite route. Basically, getting involved with the school career departments and taking their top graduates and training them. That’s the route I chose to do.
219 00:30:33.230 ⇒ 00:30:41.749 cameron: I just hired someone, like, 3 days ago, so that was my first person that the University of Central Florida sent to me, so…
220 00:30:41.750 ⇒ 00:31:06.379 cameron: that’s the route I want to go, but yeah, it’s gonna be an interesting exchange. Obviously, I think what’s gonna happen to get these developers a little bit familiar with it from Eden’s side, and I already told them what’s gonna happen, is they’re actually gonna be involved with the process of stripping down the multi-tenancy, so they understand how it works. Because if you don’t… you see, the thing is, I can do it, no problem. I can have my own team do it, but basically what’s gonna happen is I’m gonna hand them a code on
221 00:31:06.380 ⇒ 00:31:11.200 cameron: a silver platter and say, here you go, you guys know nothing about it, good luck, have fun.
222 00:31:11.200 ⇒ 00:31:19.579 cameron: So, they need to be somewhat involved in the process of actually contributing a major refactor to the.
223 00:31:19.580 ⇒ 00:31:20.420 Surfield Thomas, Jr.: It’s good.
224 00:31:20.420 ⇒ 00:31:35.850 cameron: Right? And, you know, I’ll even tell Adam McBride, I’m like, hey, like, if you want me to, you know, compensate the hours that they’re doing it, that’s fine, whatever, but it’s very essential for… honestly, I wouldn’t even think that’s necessary, because in order for them to really get trained on it.
225 00:31:35.850 ⇒ 00:31:52.250 cameron: it’s something that they need to do. They need to do a major refactor, so, you know, that’s a very good example, and I think that that’s something I’ll bring up to the executives. It’s a very good example. I think they already expected it, but I think that’s something that’s going to be really good for Eden’s engineers to learn. And I know I’m talking on and on and on.
226 00:31:52.250 ⇒ 00:32:09.460 cameron: But the reason why Eden wants to have everything in-house is because they’re paying an exorbitant amount of fees to Basque right now, and for them, they have a specific direction that they want to move in that doesn’t necessarily align with other telehealth companies. So the only way that they can really, like.
227 00:32:09.460 ⇒ 00:32:19.209 cameron: you know, branch off and have the freedom to be like a HIMSS, to be like a Future Health, is to really maintain their own platform. Platforms like Remo and Basque are great.
228 00:32:19.210 ⇒ 00:32:21.349 cameron: But Remo’s not a good fit for…
229 00:32:21.350 ⇒ 00:32:44.900 cameron: for, like, hymns. Remo’s not a good fit for hers, you know? Those are the companies that we’re simply not a good fit for, because those companies are already well-established, and they don’t need a platform like Remo. We’re kind of like an incubator, that’s our business model. We incubate someone, and our… just to let you know, this is our business model. Once someone’s, like, at the point where they don’t need us anymore, they can migrate off of us, no problem. Like, they own their car tokens, we don’t do any of the crap Bask does, so…
230 00:32:44.900 ⇒ 00:32:51.440 cameron: We understand that that’s the position we’re in. We’re kind of like an incubator like Shopify, but at a certain point, you outgrow us.
231 00:32:53.540 ⇒ 00:32:54.310 cameron: So…
232 00:32:54.490 ⇒ 00:32:55.210 Surfield Thomas, Jr.: Make sense?
233 00:32:55.350 ⇒ 00:32:56.120 Surfield Thomas, Jr.: I got it.
234 00:32:56.260 ⇒ 00:33:03.450 Amber Lin: Alright, I have… we have a little bit of time left. I want to just make sure that
235 00:33:03.750 ⇒ 00:33:16.390 Amber Lin: what we said we wanted to live before is still valid. I know we’re… I just crossed out the multi-tenancy one. Do you guys still need recommendations on hosting options?
236 00:33:16.390 ⇒ 00:33:22.740 cameron: We’re using PlanetScale. It’s our… everything’s on PlanetScale in Vercel. I mean, I don’t think you guys would be opposed to that.
237 00:33:23.550 ⇒ 00:33:27.290 Amber Lin: Gotcha. Okay. So, don’t need that anymore.
238 00:33:27.290 ⇒ 00:33:33.959 Surfield Thomas, Jr.: Hold on, quick question. When you say that, Eden’s okay having the data for their… their thing on PlanetScale, is that correct?
239 00:33:34.730 ⇒ 00:33:40.050 cameron: I’m, like, 90% sure. I mean, it’s probably the simplest way to do it. I mean, they take my recommendations, so…
240 00:33:40.850 ⇒ 00:33:45.120 Ryon: It’s an Adam or a Josh question, Cameron, but I would just say…
241 00:33:45.120 ⇒ 00:33:53.990 cameron: Call me whatever works. I talked to Adam before, like, apparently Planets… at least if you want me to help maintain it, I only know how to work with PlanetScale, so…
242 00:33:54.430 ⇒ 00:34:00.689 Ryon: I would just say, pose it to them. If there’s some big red flag, acknowledge it, otherwise, not a big deal.
243 00:34:00.900 ⇒ 00:34:05.680 Awaish Kumar: I think, like, we have served, like, for that purpose, like.
244 00:34:07.060 ⇒ 00:34:12.329 Awaish Kumar: Like, the platform is built on planet scale, planetary scale, but if you… if you think, like.
245 00:34:12.330 ⇒ 00:34:14.150 cameron: It’s built on Postgres PlanetScale.
246 00:34:15.239 ⇒ 00:34:18.369 Awaish Kumar: Anything, like, you can recommend whatever.
247 00:34:21.100 ⇒ 00:34:21.650 Amber Lin: bet.
248 00:34:22.110 ⇒ 00:34:29.230 Amber Lin: Anyways, also this one, for the Stage 2, is… are all of these still valid?
249 00:34:29.520 ⇒ 00:34:32.899 Surfield Thomas, Jr.: I think, yes. But, you could, yeah, you could take it, Cameron.
250 00:34:33.429 ⇒ 00:34:44.589 cameron: No, I was gonna say, like, for example, event streaming for… like, we have, we have, like, our own internal event stuff using trigger.dev, but it’s just, like, talking externally, or, like…
251 00:34:45.810 ⇒ 00:34:50.959 Surfield Thomas, Jr.: I guess, put all of this in the context of the single tenant we’re building for, Eden.
252 00:34:51.530 ⇒ 00:34:55.170 Awaish Kumar: Yeah, this is in context of getting the data, like…
253 00:34:55.170 ⇒ 00:34:57.780 Surfield Thomas, Jr.: by webhooks to segment, or something like that.
254 00:34:57.780 ⇒ 00:35:05.209 cameron: Yeah, probably, yeah, probably, like, yeah, I mean, we use Trigger for, like, a pharmacy processing, order processing, payment processing, so you’d probably want to build off of that.
255 00:35:05.830 ⇒ 00:35:06.680 Amber Lin: Yeah.
256 00:35:09.020 ⇒ 00:35:11.890 Awaish Kumar: That’s the question, like, how we want to build it, like, that’s, like…
257 00:35:12.110 ⇒ 00:35:22.090 Awaish Kumar: That’s what we want South to help us out with, if we want to keep it as what Basque does, or we want to improve on it, or how we want to actually do it.
258 00:35:23.730 ⇒ 00:35:26.680 cameron: Yeah, exactly, yeah, you would keep that, that’s correct, yeah.
259 00:35:26.680 ⇒ 00:35:27.290 Amber Lin: Okay.
260 00:35:27.570 ⇒ 00:35:31.790 Amber Lin: Sounds good. Alright.
261 00:35:32.170 ⇒ 00:35:39.780 Amber Lin: I think in terms of total hours, we’ll meet again internally to check on these, on what’s needed and what’s not.
262 00:35:39.780 ⇒ 00:35:40.400 Awaish Kumar: Right.
263 00:35:41.290 ⇒ 00:35:42.319 Amber Lin: I want to…
264 00:35:42.320 ⇒ 00:35:48.499 Awaish Kumar: As per our… today’s discussion, I think there will be change in scope, like as I’ve already mentioned.
265 00:35:48.500 ⇒ 00:35:48.930 Amber Lin: Nope.
266 00:35:48.930 ⇒ 00:36:03.159 Awaish Kumar: And, also, I think there are some questions where I would need, like, we should prepare a new scope document with some checklists where everybody signs, along with, like, the execs from Eden, like George.
267 00:36:03.830 ⇒ 00:36:15.010 Awaish Kumar: Like, he has to say, like, we are here to recommend what is the best possible way you can build an EMR system. If… if multi-tenancy or single-tenancy, he has to sign it.
268 00:36:15.150 ⇒ 00:36:17.620 Awaish Kumar: Otherwise, like, maybe, like, with…
269 00:36:17.980 ⇒ 00:36:24.380 Awaish Kumar: Like, you would say, like, we recommended that, like, single tenancy is the best solution, but we have to, like.
270 00:36:24.610 ⇒ 00:36:28.919 Awaish Kumar: Sign on the scope, like, what we will be doing.
271 00:36:29.810 ⇒ 00:36:48.130 Amber Lin: Yeah. On that, I do want to book a recurring meeting for the group right here. That will make scheduling a lot easier. What dates are best for y’all? I feel like most people’s Mondays and Tuesdays are just really busy. I’m looking at Wednesdays to Fridays.
272 00:36:48.300 ⇒ 00:36:50.630 Amber Lin: Is there a time… I think servers usually.
273 00:36:50.630 ⇒ 00:36:56.810 cameron: I only have meetings available to be booked on either Tuesday or Thursday, so probably Thursday would be the best.
274 00:36:57.130 ⇒ 00:36:58.910 Amber Lin: Okay.
275 00:36:59.530 ⇒ 00:37:09.689 Amber Lin: Surf is usually available, like, afternoon, say, after 3.30 or 4 EST. Does that work for everyone?
276 00:37:09.690 ⇒ 00:37:11.719 cameron: For me, at least, I mean, I gotta start the rest of them.
277 00:37:12.080 ⇒ 00:37:12.600 Ryon: Oh, man.
278 00:37:13.830 ⇒ 00:37:15.769 Amber Lin: But Wish, is that too late for you?
279 00:37:16.600 ⇒ 00:37:17.520 Awaish Kumar: It’s okay.
280 00:37:17.930 ⇒ 00:37:22.230 Amber Lin: Okay, so… So, on Thursdays…
281 00:37:22.670 ⇒ 00:37:31.100 Amber Lin: So I… we can do either Tuesday or Thursday, usually Thursdays, just… but if anything comes up really urgently, we can also do Tuesdays, I assume.
282 00:37:31.990 ⇒ 00:37:33.610 Surfield Thomas, Jr.: Yeah, fine met me.
283 00:37:33.940 ⇒ 00:37:35.159 Amber Lin: Okay, so I’ll do…
284 00:37:35.160 ⇒ 00:37:41.069 Surfield Thomas, Jr.: I would say let’s lock in Thursday, because Thursday’s a really good day for me. Yeah.
285 00:37:41.700 ⇒ 00:37:46.530 Amber Lin: Okay, so I’ll do Thursdays at 4 EST.
286 00:38:01.560 ⇒ 00:38:13.760 Amber Lin: Gotcha. And then, so, before that meeting, we’ll send out the newly changed scope document, hopefully get it reviewed by ELT and signed by then, and then…
287 00:38:14.080 ⇒ 00:38:17.610 Amber Lin: Actually, Kevin, can you… since we still have, like.
288 00:38:17.800 ⇒ 00:38:26.569 Amber Lin: 5, 6 minutes left, can you just share access to Surf? What do you need from them? Do you need their emails, or…
289 00:38:27.000 ⇒ 00:38:28.200 cameron: Let me check that.
290 00:38:28.990 ⇒ 00:38:32.089 cameron: I’m gonna need GitHub, GitHub emails.
291 00:38:32.560 ⇒ 00:38:34.399 cameron: Usernames, or whatever it is.
292 00:38:34.400 ⇒ 00:38:37.409 Amber Lin: Yeah, it should be in, the Slack channel.
293 00:38:37.410 ⇒ 00:38:39.790 Surfield Thomas, Jr.: And the simple one is actually my first name.
294 00:38:40.080 ⇒ 00:38:42.139 Surfield Thomas, Jr.: I’ve been on GitHub for a very long time.
295 00:38:42.140 ⇒ 00:38:43.290 cameron: Oh, really?
296 00:38:43.290 ⇒ 00:38:46.290 Surfield Thomas, Jr.: Yeah, it’s just literally surf field, it’s big.
297 00:38:47.590 ⇒ 00:38:50.360 cameron: Alright, hold on. Let me get this done for you.
298 00:38:51.590 ⇒ 00:39:00.689 cameron: I’m on my MacBook, so the only version I have is a version that’s, like, a week and a half old that’s pushing Git, so I’m gonna have to get to the office tomorrow to commit the main one.
299 00:39:00.820 ⇒ 00:39:04.689 cameron: Let me just give you access to this right now, though, so you can at least start taking a look at something.
300 00:39:08.030 ⇒ 00:39:12.480 cameron: After I left my computer at the office without pushing commit… whoops.
301 00:39:15.960 ⇒ 00:39:17.010 cameron: Excellent.
302 00:39:20.580 ⇒ 00:39:21.309 cameron: That’s cool.
303 00:39:21.550 ⇒ 00:39:22.140 Surfield Thomas, Jr.: Boop!
304 00:39:23.480 ⇒ 00:39:25.080 Surfield Thomas, Jr.: Any other questions?
305 00:39:31.910 ⇒ 00:39:37.160 cameron: Alright, I just gave you guys access to it. This is a little bit… this is actually a little bit outdated.
306 00:39:37.390 ⇒ 00:39:40.150 cameron: Mesh value to it.
307 00:39:42.300 ⇒ 00:39:44.209 Ryon: Is this the most updated commit?
308 00:39:44.380 ⇒ 00:39:45.569 cameron: It’s the one that Nick has.
309 00:39:48.590 ⇒ 00:39:54.139 Ryon: Okay. Do they have everything they need, Cameron, in that most updated one? Or the one that you’re sharing with them?
310 00:39:55.000 ⇒ 00:39:56.690 cameron: Probably, yeah. They should.
311 00:39:57.430 ⇒ 00:40:01.290 cameron: Hold on, I actually may have a… let me go to my REMA organization.
312 00:40:12.200 ⇒ 00:40:14.330 cameron: Okay, yeah, I haven’t updated one.
313 00:40:14.590 ⇒ 00:40:16.869 cameron: Okay, I added you to the,
314 00:40:17.040 ⇒ 00:40:25.169 cameron: One on the Eden repository, that’s a little bit older, but I’m literally gonna drive to the office right now and push this up for you so you guys can start working. I don’t want to delay you.
315 00:40:27.330 ⇒ 00:40:28.120 cameron: Okay.
316 00:40:29.060 ⇒ 00:40:30.440 Amber Lin: Sounds good.
317 00:40:30.710 ⇒ 00:40:32.749 cameron: My office is, like, right across the street, so…
318 00:40:33.250 ⇒ 00:40:34.000 Amber Lin: Wow.
319 00:40:34.350 ⇒ 00:40:35.140 cameron: Take a little bit of news.
320 00:40:35.140 ⇒ 00:40:36.430 Ryon: Very lucky.
321 00:40:36.430 ⇒ 00:40:37.650 cameron: Like, literally, like.
322 00:40:38.060 ⇒ 00:40:43.389 cameron: I live on the left side of the road, you go down, you turn right past the Chipotle’s office.
323 00:40:46.990 ⇒ 00:40:48.399 Ryon: Just work remote, yeah.
324 00:40:50.190 ⇒ 00:40:52.710 cameron: Me? No, I just gave him earlier today because I wasn’t feeling well.
325 00:40:52.960 ⇒ 00:40:56.069 Ryon: I’m joking, Camden. I’m joking.
326 00:40:56.070 ⇒ 00:41:06.000 cameron: Exhausted today. Okay, I added you to this one, but this one’s a little bit old. I’m gonna head to the office, give you the latest one, you’re gonna see a huge difference, okay? Aywash, which one is yours? Is it the first one?
327 00:41:06.640 ⇒ 00:41:10.210 cameron: Oh, I think you’re already on it. It says, it says you’re already on the Eden repository.
328 00:41:11.130 ⇒ 00:41:22.229 Awaish Kumar: I’m on… I’m in the Eden, but I only have access to analytics repository. I just added you to it, so y’all can see it. This is a little bit old. Let me head to the office, let me get you a more up-to-date one, okay, guys?
329 00:41:23.090 ⇒ 00:41:28.639 Amber Lin: Yeah, sounds good. For the database, do you guys have access to it?
330 00:41:28.830 ⇒ 00:41:36.620 cameron: We have a production one, but to be honest with you, I can spin up a separate database in there with some stuff in there for y’all to take a look at.
331 00:41:37.670 ⇒ 00:41:38.649 Surfield Thomas, Jr.: That worked for me.
332 00:41:38.860 ⇒ 00:41:52.860 Amber Lin: Okay, do you guys… sorry, just one last question. Do you want it at your personal… sorry, the waitress’s email and services email, or do you want to use, like, the Remo Brainforge email that we created?
333 00:41:53.490 ⇒ 00:41:55.229 Surfield Thomas, Jr.: For, for communication with me?
334 00:41:55.230 ⇒ 00:41:57.350 Amber Lin: Oh, no, for the database access.
335 00:41:57.730 ⇒ 00:41:58.050 Surfield Thomas, Jr.: Oh.
336 00:41:58.050 ⇒ 00:42:03.050 cameron: I was gonna build it up in Plan… I was just gonna throw one up in PlanetScale and give you the username and password.
337 00:42:03.340 ⇒ 00:42:04.119 Surfield Thomas, Jr.: Yeah, that’s fine.
338 00:42:04.430 ⇒ 00:42:04.940 Amber Lin: works.
339 00:42:04.940 ⇒ 00:42:10.660 cameron: I was gonna give you the URL, you can put it in, like, DataGrip or something and connect to it. I’ll just seed it, and I’ll put some data in there for y’all to take a look at.
340 00:42:11.650 ⇒ 00:42:12.240 Amber Lin: Sounds good.
341 00:42:13.380 ⇒ 00:42:14.159 cameron: Thank you, guys.
342 00:42:14.160 ⇒ 00:42:15.330 Amber Lin: Alright, thanks.
343 00:42:17.850 ⇒ 00:42:19.619 Awaish Kumar: And can we stay safe?
344 00:42:19.620 ⇒ 00:42:20.689 Amber Lin: Yeah, yeah, we can stay.
345 00:42:20.690 ⇒ 00:42:21.300 Surfield Thomas, Jr.: Can I go.
346 00:42:21.940 ⇒ 00:42:25.900 Amber Lin: Okay, that was a lot of changes.
347 00:42:26.130 ⇒ 00:42:27.839 Surfield Thomas, Jr.: Yeah, Cameron don’t play.
348 00:42:27.840 ⇒ 00:42:33.520 Amber Lin: We came in, I was like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, and I was like, everything’s changed, but not really.
349 00:42:33.880 ⇒ 00:42:34.420 Amber Lin: Yeah.
350 00:42:34.420 ⇒ 00:42:38.360 Surfield Thomas, Jr.: Again, I just want… I’ll build you whatever you want, I just need to know what you want.
351 00:42:38.890 ⇒ 00:42:39.170 Awaish Kumar: Oh.
352 00:42:39.450 ⇒ 00:42:43.190 Surfield Thomas, Jr.: I feel, though, I’d say this, it’s kind of weird…
353 00:42:44.200 ⇒ 00:42:48.119 Surfield Thomas, Jr.: that I don’t have as much from Eden about this.
354 00:42:48.270 ⇒ 00:42:51.310 Awaish Kumar: Because a lot of the decisions being made…
355 00:42:51.310 ⇒ 00:42:54.690 Surfield Thomas, Jr.: are… Not really…
356 00:42:54.700 ⇒ 00:42:55.860 Amber Lin: recording.
357 00:42:55.860 ⇒ 00:42:56.320 Surfield Thomas, Jr.: Huh?
358 00:42:56.590 ⇒ 00:42:58.179 Amber Lin: Did I stop the recording?
359 00:42:58.180 ⇒ 00:42:58.999 Surfield Thomas, Jr.: Yeah, let’s do that.