Meeting Title: [Pool-Parts-to-Go]-Weekly-Sprint-Review Date: 2024-03-13 Meeting participants: Jack Tomei, Ryan Luke Daque, Patrick Trainer, Uttam Kumaran
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1 00:00:36.340 ⇒ 00:00:37.220 Yo.
2 00:00:41.420 ⇒ 00:00:42.450 Jack Tomei: yo? Yep.
3 00:00:44.100 ⇒ 00:00:45.089 What’s up, guys?
4 00:00:46.010 ⇒ 00:00:48.130 Patrick Trainer: Sorry computers and
5 00:00:48.830 ⇒ 00:00:49.520 Patrick Trainer: clip
6 00:00:49.690 ⇒ 00:00:52.319 Patrick Trainer: I am shall mood hold on
7 00:00:53.830 ⇒ 00:00:54.530 Patrick Trainer: in
8 00:01:01.740 ⇒ 00:01:02.650 Patrick Trainer: what’s up?
9 00:01:06.520 ⇒ 00:01:08.260 Patrick Trainer: What is going on
10 00:01:08.870 ⇒ 00:01:10.810 Jack Tomei: could drop my dog off
11 00:01:11.110 ⇒ 00:01:16.750 Jack Tomei: at 7 Am. This morning to get his freaking tooth removed, dreading picking him up
12 00:01:18.100 ⇒ 00:01:22.000 Jack Tomei: suck, seeing these animals, like all drugged out on anesthetic
13 00:01:22.950 ⇒ 00:01:26.719 Patrick Trainer: have a cat? It needed all of its teeth removed.
14 00:01:27.430 ⇒ 00:01:29.400 Jack Tomei: Really. Yeah.
15 00:01:30.590 ⇒ 00:01:31.820 Jack Tomei: How I
16 00:01:32.300 ⇒ 00:01:33.700 Patrick Trainer: I
17 00:01:33.940 ⇒ 00:01:40.750 Patrick Trainer: it had some sort of gum gum disease like cats. Don’t I guess, Floss their teeth.
18 00:01:41.040 ⇒ 00:01:51.799 Patrick Trainer: and so but is. His gums were real inflamed, and kind of gross, and said like the best course of action was just to remove every single one.
19 00:01:52.670 ⇒ 00:01:55.510 Jack Tomei: So kind of multi.
20 00:01:55.750 ⇒ 00:01:59.939 Patrick Trainer: yeah, yeah, they’re small teeth. But I mean.
21 00:02:00.130 ⇒ 00:02:03.770 Patrick Trainer: they can still eat.
22 00:02:04.120 ⇒ 00:02:06.810 Jack Tomei: Yeah, they eat soft food usually cats right?
23 00:02:07.060 ⇒ 00:02:14.339 Patrick Trainer: Oh, they got hard kibble, too, but like cats and dogs don’t really choose their food, they just kind of swallow it.
24 00:02:15.650 ⇒ 00:02:16.570 Interesting.
25 00:02:17.370 ⇒ 00:02:19.330 Uttam Kumaran: That’s a painful surgery.
26 00:02:19.610 ⇒ 00:02:21.380 Patrick Trainer: Yeah, right?
27 00:02:22.780 ⇒ 00:02:23.650 Insane.
28 00:02:28.690 ⇒ 00:02:29.490 Patrick Trainer: And
29 00:02:32.350 ⇒ 00:02:35.839 Jack Tomei: Udem, can you make this call today with Kim?
30 00:02:36.960 ⇒ 00:02:41.669 Uttam Kumaran: maybe I may have to
31 00:02:41.710 ⇒ 00:02:46.070 Uttam Kumaran: hop out there’s some sales stuff I’m doing in town
32 00:02:46.510 ⇒ 00:02:47.800 Uttam Kumaran: this afternoon.
33 00:02:49.000 ⇒ 00:02:50.419 Jack Tomei: There’s a chance that
34 00:02:51.050 ⇒ 00:02:57.019 Jack Tomei: I got a call from the hospital and have to leave so I’ll just let her know
35 00:03:02.770 ⇒ 00:03:05.310 Patrick Trainer: what’s your background, Rainier? Part?
36 00:03:06.540 ⇒ 00:03:14.140 Jack Tomei: It’s not technically, but it’s right on the outskirts. I can’t go to Rainier Park. I have a dog, but this was like from a hike I did in October with
37 00:03:14.290 ⇒ 00:03:16.150 Jack Tomei: Brutus Gotcha.
38 00:03:16.990 ⇒ 00:03:20.039 Jack Tomei: There’s like, a late right down. Yeah.
39 00:03:20.080 ⇒ 00:03:24.579 Patrick Trainer: yeah, I’ve I’ve I’ve been there. That’s funny.
40 00:03:25.200 ⇒ 00:03:28.390 Patrick Trainer: That’s like one of the most like picturesque, like
41 00:03:28.840 ⇒ 00:03:32.039 Patrick Trainer: Rainier photos, too. It’s like, right in front of that lake.
42 00:03:32.540 ⇒ 00:03:35.869 Jack Tomei: Yeah. Summit Lake is what it’s called.
43 00:03:38.680 ⇒ 00:03:48.320 Jack Tomei: It’s crazy. II had no idea it was gonna be such a popular trail. I just like woke up one Saturday morning, and sun was in the forecast, so I just drove like 2 h, like, I’ll do the site today.
44 00:03:48.370 ⇒ 00:03:51.670 Jack Tomei: and I got I got to the trailhead at like one pm.
45 00:03:51.730 ⇒ 00:03:53.570 Jack Tomei: And I swear it was like
46 00:03:53.620 ⇒ 00:04:08.110 Jack Tomei: kinda like a supermarket parking lot, or something like halfway up the mountain. There’s like 50 cars, like all parked everywhere, like I was like, I’m like, not a fan of hiking around a bunch of people, so she can see all bring like fucking
47 00:04:08.170 ⇒ 00:04:13.540 Jack Tomei: speakers. It’s fucking loud and annoying, and there’s track.
48 00:04:13.860 ⇒ 00:04:18.559 Jack Tomei: so I’ll probably never go back just because of that reason. But it was very. It was very beautiful.
49 00:04:18.670 ⇒ 00:04:22.859 Patrick Trainer: Have you been to the what were they? The the ice caves
50 00:04:23.150 ⇒ 00:04:30.029 Jack Tomei: I have. Yeah, yeah, those are cool. That’s up north of it. The 4 like it’s called like the there’s like
51 00:04:30.120 ⇒ 00:04:38.499 Jack Tomei: or no. That’s the 4 P. The 4 Peaks are above it, and then the ice caves are like you hiked it. It’s like only a mile.
52 00:04:38.650 ⇒ 00:04:49.520 Jack Tomei: and then I remember hearing at least once a year, somebody dying.
53 00:04:50.750 ⇒ 00:04:54.029 Jack Tomei: I think there’s there’s something in organ.
54 00:04:54.250 ⇒ 00:05:02.810 Patrick Trainer: Maybe it was Oregon. It was called the Ape Caves. and it’s they were lava tubes.
55 00:05:03.660 ⇒ 00:05:04.450 Jack Tomei: Huh!
56 00:05:04.840 ⇒ 00:05:09.360 Patrick Trainer: I’ve gotta find where that was. That was. I remember doing that as a kid, and it was awesome.
57 00:05:10.710 ⇒ 00:05:14.450 Jack Tomei: Yeah, the ice caves was just something I stumbled upon because I was going.
58 00:05:15.650 ⇒ 00:05:17.050 Jack Tomei: Where was I going?
59 00:05:18.220 ⇒ 00:05:23.740 Jack Tomei: It’s unlike some random kind of like cross highway, right?
60 00:05:24.520 ⇒ 00:05:30.329 Jack Tomei: I forget something like that it’s like I was going camping, I think, and I was just like a turn off on the way
61 00:05:30.860 ⇒ 00:05:31.940 Patrick Trainer: right?
62 00:05:33.540 ⇒ 00:05:35.369 Patrick Trainer: It might be like
63 00:05:36.810 ⇒ 00:05:40.689 Patrick Trainer: like Mt. Pilchuck or something. Is that what it is?
64 00:05:41.560 ⇒ 00:05:46.109 Jack Tomei: Big? 4 ice caves, that’s what it was. Let’s see what it is
65 00:05:46.420 ⇒ 00:05:52.610 Jack Tomei: granted falls. So I was going to like Verlo, or some shit, some like W. We’re low town in there
66 00:05:53.420 ⇒ 00:05:55.320 Jack Tomei: as you’re out forgotten.
67 00:05:56.200 ⇒ 00:05:59.530 Patrick Trainer: This. This place is pretty cool, or at least
68 00:05:59.690 ⇒ 00:06:01.000 Patrick Trainer: I remember
69 00:06:02.080 ⇒ 00:06:07.440 Patrick Trainer: shit. Where’s leave a comment? Where are the comments? Why does it say notes.
70 00:06:10.860 ⇒ 00:06:13.999 Patrick Trainer: chat? What do they put chat in more?
71 00:06:26.080 ⇒ 00:06:27.470 Jack Tomei: Well, that’s cool.
72 00:06:27.740 ⇒ 00:06:29.600 Patrick Trainer: Yeah, it’s like you have to.
73 00:06:29.740 ⇒ 00:06:33.649 Jack Tomei: Yeah, they’re like pitch black. And it’s like this huge tube.
74 00:06:33.760 ⇒ 00:06:40.270 Patrick Trainer: And like, you have to carry a lantern. They built stairs and shit down there, that’s great.
75 00:06:40.340 ⇒ 00:06:43.110 Patrick Trainer: Yeah, it’s like you have to carry a lantern.
76 00:06:43.160 ⇒ 00:06:49.720 Patrick Trainer: And you just like hike through these old lava tubes. And like, there’s areas where you can like
77 00:06:50.780 ⇒ 00:06:54.400 Patrick Trainer: get into really kind of like 3 foot
78 00:06:54.470 ⇒ 00:07:02.159 Patrick Trainer: diameter tubes and like, 3 3 miles long. Yeah, yeah, in pitch black darkness like sits pretty nuts.
79 00:07:02.210 ⇒ 00:07:03.270 Jack Tomei: That’s pretty cool.
80 00:07:04.350 ⇒ 00:07:07.329 Jack Tomei: It looks like it’s pretty developed, though. It’s like a pretty
81 00:07:08.330 ⇒ 00:07:12.959 Jack Tomei: like tread area, like, there’s a little kids and shit on it.
82 00:07:13.750 ⇒ 00:07:14.789 Oh, yeah.
83 00:07:15.200 ⇒ 00:07:17.090 Patrick Trainer: I mean. yeah.
84 00:07:17.450 ⇒ 00:07:19.500 Patrick Trainer: it’s still cool, though.
85 00:07:20.370 ⇒ 00:07:21.370 Jack Tomei: for sure.
86 00:07:22.270 ⇒ 00:07:36.189 Jack Tomei: It’s just about like there’s something I want to do like in the winter, and there’s no one in there. Okay, I drove around St. Helens on my way up here.
87 00:07:36.860 ⇒ 00:07:38.400 Jack Tomei: So isn’t that Washington?
88 00:07:38.700 ⇒ 00:07:42.620 Patrick Trainer: Yeah, yes, Washington. I was mistaked.
89 00:07:43.770 ⇒ 00:07:45.200 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah. Washington.
90 00:07:48.410 ⇒ 00:07:51.120 Patrick Trainer: Mount St. Helens’s nuts. If you haven’t done that, tor
91 00:07:51.940 ⇒ 00:07:59.969 Jack Tomei: I drew. I just driven around it on my, II drove up here from California, and I took 10 days. I just kind of drove by it
92 00:08:01.140 ⇒ 00:08:05.279 Jack Tomei: that, and like Mount Adams, I think it is down there. It’s pretty cool.
93 00:08:06.140 ⇒ 00:08:09.300 Patrick Trainer: you know the whole story, like of Saint Helens. Yeah.
94 00:08:09.620 ⇒ 00:08:18.950 Jack Tomei: just how it erupted. Yeah, yeah, pretty much
95 00:08:20.330 ⇒ 00:08:27.430 Jack Tomei: dude. When Rainier reps in the next fucking 1,000 years. That’s gonna be crazy. Seattle is gonna destroy it or something.
96 00:08:27.520 ⇒ 00:08:29.899 Patrick Trainer: The entire Northwest is gonna be gone.
97 00:08:29.990 ⇒ 00:08:31.359 Jack Tomei: It’s gonna be crazy.
98 00:08:32.200 ⇒ 00:08:36.740 Patrick Trainer: And then and then Yosemite is gonna blow, and then the entire country will go.
99 00:08:39.600 ⇒ 00:08:41.029 Jack Tomei: Too many people, anyway.
100 00:08:44.910 ⇒ 00:08:49.750 Jack Tomei: What’s up, Brian? Good morning. Good night. What time is it over there?
101 00:08:50.270 ⇒ 00:08:52.050 Ryan Luke Daque: It’s 11
102 00:08:52.260 ⇒ 00:08:58.530 Ryan Luke Daque: early dude. You don’t have to go to bed for 5 h.
103 00:08:58.650 ⇒ 00:09:03.910 Ryan Luke Daque: I’m about used to it.
104 00:09:07.560 ⇒ 00:09:22.210 Uttam Kumaran: cool. I guess we can just run through this list. So I just have like kind of couple of views. This view is mainly just based on people. And just look at stuff that’s like ready and in progress. I guess, Jack, if you wanna
105 00:09:23.400 ⇒ 00:09:25.919 Uttam Kumaran: start. I know you just have stuff with Kim today.
106 00:09:26.430 ⇒ 00:09:28.520 Jack Tomei: Yeah. So I’ve been,
107 00:09:29.000 ⇒ 00:09:33.090 Jack Tomei: really, really light these last last week and a half.
108 00:09:34.200 ⇒ 00:09:45.909 Jack Tomei: probably worked 3 h last week, you know, and then haven’t really done anything. This week I’ve been waiting kind of for Kim, and then sounds like we’re gonna have that intelligence conversation and hopefully launch the taps.
109 00:09:45.940 ⇒ 00:09:57.629 Jack Tomei: So I guess we just have to figure out like is our all. Our is all our like data recording like gonna be recorded. Right? That’s sort of the main question for running these tests.
110 00:09:57.840 ⇒ 00:10:08.840 Jack Tomei: so yeah. And then I just plan on sort of asking Kim questions about, like how to make the stuff that we currently have useful, or what sort of extra views she would like to see, and sort of how she’s
111 00:10:09.660 ⇒ 00:10:16.669 Jack Tomei: what she cares about, I guess, is sort of the gist of what I’m trying to get at during our conversation, so it’ll just be casual brainstorming kind of thing.
112 00:10:19.750 ⇒ 00:10:29.429 Jack Tomei: And let me know to him if there’s anything you want some help with, because it’s definitely light. I know I have that other kind of obligation. So it’s I’m I’m a little hesitant to take on like
113 00:10:29.550 ⇒ 00:10:30.569 Jack Tomei: a huge
114 00:10:31.170 ⇒ 00:10:33.430 new responsibility right now. But
115 00:10:33.600 ⇒ 00:10:47.830 Uttam Kumaran: I actually think it’s fine. That’s probably the core analysis stuff is this testing thing. So I think once we get everything set up the next like week or 2 will just be running those. And then taking a look at that.
116 00:10:47.950 ⇒ 00:10:49.410 Uttam Kumaran: that data, really.
117 00:10:49.840 ⇒ 00:11:03.300 Jack Tomei: how are we gonna get? Do we have to? Are we gonna have to like build new tables and like set up migrations and all like, ha! I don’t really is that someone’s job for for this like capturing. I guess we already capture all the data. Huh!
118 00:11:04.390 ⇒ 00:11:06.260 Jack Tomei: Sales and shit.
119 00:11:07.050 ⇒ 00:11:17.910 Jack Tomei: I guess maybe the only, but the only thing that might be new is like who the target population is. If we end up targeting. Certain people like we might have to somehow show that somewhere in a flag.
120 00:11:18.040 ⇒ 00:11:24.869 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah. So that’ll be, that’ll basically what I want to get from the intelligence conversation like whether that reporting can happen
121 00:11:25.310 ⇒ 00:11:33.759 Uttam Kumaran: like ideally, that reporting can happen within their platform, or they have some at least like who’s targeted. And then we can filter their orders.
122 00:11:33.880 ⇒ 00:11:36.819 Uttam Kumaran: and that’s a spotify or shopify.
123 00:11:36.990 ⇒ 00:11:48.519 Uttam Kumaran: that’s the shopify like Plugin. Yeah, I’m pretty sure they have like a shopify app again. II just wanted to get the demo today. So I haven’t really looked into technically like what the situation is. But again, I’m
124 00:11:48.810 ⇒ 00:12:00.560 Uttam Kumaran: sure they haven’t figured out. So I’m gonna be 5 min late. I have an 11 to 1120 or 2 to 2, 20, your time, 2 15, so it might be just a few minutes late.
125 00:12:02.180 ⇒ 00:12:06.559 Uttam Kumaran: Other than that we gave this feedback is done.
126 00:12:06.820 ⇒ 00:12:08.540 Uttam Kumaran: I guess. Pat, do you want to go?
127 00:12:08.700 ⇒ 00:12:16.250 Jack Tomei: How did the amplo stuff. Go! Did you ever hear from them? I saw you sent like that super long email with a bunch of
128 00:12:16.390 ⇒ 00:12:20.969 Jack Tomei: I’ve got your good stuff pretty much everything we talked about.
129 00:12:21.000 ⇒ 00:12:23.720 Uttam Kumaran: Now I’ll I’ll show you what the
130 00:12:24.980 ⇒ 00:12:27.509 Uttam Kumaran: The follow up was
131 00:12:27.590 ⇒ 00:12:30.759 Uttam Kumaran: basically one. They were like,
132 00:12:31.470 ⇒ 00:12:36.650 Uttam Kumaran: these guys are like all over the place doing a bunch of stuff. So I think ideally, they.
133 00:12:36.880 ⇒ 00:12:41.950 Uttam Kumaran: I’m starting to get the sense that, like they just want us to help them make decisions on like, what to do.
134 00:12:42.120 ⇒ 00:12:55.739 Uttam Kumaran: yeah. So they’re one. They’re hiring like a full time, like Vi person on their end who’s gonna implement all these changes. So what you pretty much asked
135 00:12:55.840 ⇒ 00:13:08.589 Uttam Kumaran: what he pretty much asked was like, one. Some of the visualizations and things you guys wanted to do may not be possible with thought spot like some of the heat map and things like that. Like, what’s another platform.
136 00:13:08.670 ⇒ 00:13:26.880 Jack Tomei: So yeah, mode analytics use mode analytics. They have a bunch of. They have a whole embedded custom Javascript section, where you can pretty much make any type of visualization you want. That’s why I made the heat map, but land as well, and they have a bunch of templates online that you can kind of copy a bunch of Javascript if you’re not super good at that stuff and tweak it.
137 00:13:26.970 ⇒ 00:13:36.030 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, that’s why we’re exploring real and evidence as well. And then I’m basically just gonna make a suggestion to them on
138 00:13:37.030 ⇒ 00:13:44.609 Jack Tomei: what to do. That’s like flexible to do all this, that yeah, I think you want something some sort of embedded like Js
139 00:13:44.650 ⇒ 00:13:50.720 Jack Tomei: Component, right? That way. You can like really customize. But they don’t have. I don’t know whether they’re gonna have like anybody that can write.
140 00:13:51.300 ⇒ 00:14:03.199 Uttam Kumaran: That’s why they hire us. Yeah, I mean, I would be happy. Yeah, we could. We could do that for them. But worse, I don’t know. I think we’re. I’m just getting to the point where for these guys, I basically initially was like.
141 00:14:03.210 ⇒ 00:14:16.920 Uttam Kumaran: we’re gonna tell you everything we need to. And then hopefully, we can do the implementation. I’m trying to get him to that point without like basically doing all the work. The game here is like, if we’re not getting paid, we’re not doing
142 00:14:17.040 ⇒ 00:14:24.859 Uttam Kumaran: totally and write up was already a lot dude like that’s what I know. And I’m really, that’s more like a proposal kind of, I guess.
143 00:14:25.690 ⇒ 00:14:35.880 Uttam Kumaran: being clear with people that this is taking. This takes a lot of work and a lot of our time to like figure this out. And if people are going to be short on the money. We’re not going to do it.
144 00:14:35.880 ⇒ 00:14:59.299 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, so and that’s fine. You’re paying for it like you’re paying for the brainstorm sessions that we have. You know what I mean, like, no, definitely. But also it’s like, it’s like that. Time can be served for other stuff. Or you know, we can look again. Everything we do for clients needs to be paid totally over exceed. So that you get the contract
145 00:14:59.300 ⇒ 00:15:10.869 Uttam Kumaran: we we have so much we’re working on that. Basically, even now, I’m kind of like, I think we’re doing probably a little too much. So I’m so for every client we’re kind of finding out, let’s for these guys. They’re like, let’s just get our feet wet
146 00:15:11.040 ⇒ 00:15:14.800 Uttam Kumaran: once they start liking us. Then it allows me to have a conversation. Hey.
147 00:15:14.810 ⇒ 00:15:31.739 Uttam Kumaran: we we’re pretty much past what we agreed on. We need something recurring. So for these guys are like, basically, they’re like, give another bi platform that we can use, and then we gave them a bunch of these metrics for tier one and tier 2, they say, can you give us like a graph that you did for each of them
148 00:15:31.760 ⇒ 00:15:38.990 Uttam Kumaran: or things like that. Yeah, it’s like fuck that’s like that’s paid work.
149 00:15:39.260 ⇒ 00:15:59.600 Uttam Kumaran: Once they know we’re okay, they’ll just they’ll be okay with like, go for it, we’ll pay. So it’s just like having that conversation every step of the way and making sure everybody’s on the same page. And that’s what I’m saying. I think the what right up we did was really really good. I think, hearing that they have a bi person, basically probably is like, you guys manage that guy?
150 00:15:59.840 ⇒ 00:16:11.240 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, I don’t know why they have a bi person. If they’re also thinking about hiring us. I think they want. I mean like that person is probably just like a normal, like a probably a junior person, just to do dashboarding
151 00:16:11.290 ⇒ 00:16:24.259 Uttam Kumaran: true and like for long term, I guess, to like run, which we could do. But I also think we could do like very higher level stuff like this and help them with future stuff, like, I think we’re both gonna
152 00:16:24.310 ⇒ 00:16:48.280 Uttam Kumaran: live. And I would actually ha! Rather I would actually rather live work with the Bi person because working with he’s the CTO is doing like 50 other things. Yeah, I feel that he didn’t have time, really, for these conversations that we need to have, and like the bi person will be in it like he’ll be. The bi person can say, we’re doing, okay, we work with them. And then it’s like, it’s like.
153 00:16:48.920 ⇒ 00:17:00.060 Patrick Trainer: we’re good. Yeah, okay, cool. So it sounds like that from the decent spot. I’m glad I’m glad you’re saying this, because after I read that his response, like my initial was like.
154 00:17:00.700 ⇒ 00:17:01.999 Patrick Trainer: like, we’re not
155 00:17:02.100 ⇒ 00:17:20.270 Patrick Trainer: not giving you free advice like, I’m not gonna tell you how to do it, provide examples of how to do it, and then just go and fuck off and and and take that again. The game here is tough, because
156 00:17:20.859 ⇒ 00:17:25.409 Uttam Kumaran: for a lot of these folks like I did a little work, and then they know they are good.
157 00:17:25.550 ⇒ 00:17:41.660 Uttam Kumaran: right? Because in our industry it’s tough. I can’t be like, oh, let me design you a landing page. Here’s 10 we’ve done pay us upfront. This is like kind of based on, like a lot of factors that I may not know until we’re kind of in there the same time, I’m really confident what we can do, so I don’t like.
158 00:17:41.930 ⇒ 00:17:47.699 Uttam Kumaran: I’m not worried that we will see anything that we can’t tackle
159 00:17:48.120 ⇒ 00:17:51.359 Jack Tomei: model. You could figure out that allows
160 00:17:51.390 ⇒ 00:18:04.480 Uttam Kumaran: companies to take on less risk, but also pay us, you know, like, Hey, hire us for a 2 week trial period. I don’t know
161 00:18:05.500 ⇒ 00:18:16.270 Uttam Kumaran: to be committed with us or we don’t. That makes sense. If you’re like Google or something.
162 00:18:16.500 ⇒ 00:18:19.229 Patrick Trainer: If you were to raise the price like
163 00:18:19.640 ⇒ 00:18:30.650 Uttam Kumaran: to give you a context check when I started. I was like in that mode because I was like, let me just get anything I can. Now I’m not doing work. We’re not gonna pay
164 00:18:30.700 ⇒ 00:18:37.279 Jack Tomei: cause. Well, the idea is you would get paid, and you would have got paid for the write up like you would get paid for this like.
165 00:18:37.430 ⇒ 00:19:00.200 Uttam Kumaran: get in the feet way, and you wouldn’t deliver big dashboards. It would just be like, Hey, we’re doing prep. Work for you kinda like showing you what we got. But you’re getting paid for that. At least, this isn’t free. They’ve they’re paying for this stuff.
166 00:19:00.620 ⇒ 00:19:17.850 Uttam Kumaran: That’s the but I would like to get to the point where this is what the big companies do, because, like the bigger agencies, they won’t take on 10 h work like this because it’s not like 10 h of work. It’s like, think about how much way more time on this, what they’re paying. So
167 00:19:18.010 ⇒ 00:19:24.699 Uttam Kumaran: I like. And and then so that’s a lot of the work I’m doing on the content and marketing side is like, how do I translate that like
168 00:19:25.310 ⇒ 00:19:29.430 Uttam Kumaran: you can trust us. But then also that, like, there is some sort of guarantee or like.
169 00:19:29.530 ⇒ 00:19:49.899 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, let’s just do 5 h.
170 00:19:50.320 ⇒ 00:20:08.910 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, the market. We do a lot of great work very easy to work with.
171 00:20:08.930 ⇒ 00:20:20.049 Uttam Kumaran: They’re also hiring like aren’t like, it’s a steal. It’s a super steal right now. Person is probably that, like more money than you know
172 00:20:20.170 ⇒ 00:20:31.060 Uttam Kumaran: about all the time you have to hire that person. The interview committees. That person is going to take 2 months to figure this out
173 00:20:31.280 ⇒ 00:20:42.820 Uttam Kumaran: like in 4 phone calls. We figured out their entire business. No, no, no, I’m not. I’m not trying to say you’re wrong. It’s just It’s a it’s a tough thing like it’s
174 00:21:07.580 ⇒ 00:21:10.469 Uttam Kumaran: I’m now going on like a little bit of like a road show.
175 00:21:10.550 ⇒ 00:21:12.999 Uttam Kumaran: and like getting some more people in the door. So
176 00:21:13.060 ⇒ 00:21:36.220 Uttam Kumaran: it’s good. I mean, it’s good to see this things. And everybody on the team should be aware that it’s it’s also, like, you guys understand, for the put yourself in the client shoes. They’re just concerned about the work. So they don’t. They’re also just gonna keep asking. But for our best interest, we wanna make sure that there’s clear lines with, Hey, this is, gonna take more work. But again, they’re happy with the work, and they’re getting value. Then that’s all we wanna do. That’s the win win.
177 00:21:36.280 ⇒ 00:21:41.689 Uttam Kumaran: So I’m not surprised. He’s like asking for more stuff, because
178 00:21:41.820 ⇒ 00:21:54.699 Uttam Kumaran: I don’t know I don’t know another company that would have given this much information. They’re not pool parts with like 20 million revenue and shit. You know what I mean, like pool parts has money to burn. I think
179 00:21:55.190 ⇒ 00:22:04.449 Uttam Kumaran: the pool part, like Dan on pool parts, is like. I want this whole company to be running on data. He’s like Super Adam, because he used to run like a huge marketing agency.
180 00:22:04.490 ⇒ 00:22:08.459 Uttam Kumaran: And all their stuff was data. And he and it’s coming from the top.
181 00:22:08.510 ⇒ 00:22:15.109 Uttam Kumaran: And yeah, they’re like, we’ll spend whatever, because we know that this is gonna help our business. Yeah. So
182 00:22:15.690 ⇒ 00:22:24.899 Uttam Kumaran: it’s also client selection. Honestly, poor parts is such a good client. It’s a great client, because we’ve also delivered a wins for them, and it’s coming from the top
183 00:22:25.050 ⇒ 00:22:43.709 Uttam Kumaran: right heavy heavy.
184 00:22:43.750 ⇒ 00:22:59.940 Uttam Kumaran: So I get a lot of leads to startup. But I actually don’t like working with startups, like as someone who worked in startups hired agencies with, II used to be the worst client, because I asked for too much. Timeline is way too fast, and I have no budget.
185 00:23:00.080 ⇒ 00:23:10.800 Uttam Kumaran: and so you expect the world like you expect it to like, yeah. And so I really know where they’re coming from. But now now we’re not. We’re not a startup like we. We need cash
186 00:23:10.980 ⇒ 00:23:20.300 Uttam Kumaran: in the door. Yeah, so it’s interesting. And I don’t know. I it’s I’ve been learning a lot this whole process. But again, my, but the problem is
187 00:23:20.780 ⇒ 00:23:40.509 Uttam Kumaran: the the sleepy companies are where we want to go to, because they don’t have asked the people like us the pace exactly. You want to go to these like companies run by old dues that are small companies and manufacturing. They they have never heard about the stuff we have, and it could really impact their business. If you go to a startup and they’re all using the modern tools and stuff, it’s
188 00:23:40.600 ⇒ 00:23:43.450 Uttam Kumaran: yeah, less competitive.
189 00:23:43.500 ⇒ 00:23:47.299 Uttam Kumaran: more competitive. So we’re less competitive.
190 00:23:48.760 ⇒ 00:23:50.530 Cool. I guess. Pat, you wanna go.
191 00:23:52.070 ⇒ 00:23:59.829 Patrick Trainer: yeah. I guess I thought I did. Maybe I didn’t. Going with the
192 00:24:00.060 ⇒ 00:24:07.099 Patrick Trainer: just more vital signs. Updates. We’ve got a thread out with light dash. Now they have a weird
193 00:24:07.170 ⇒ 00:24:19.719 Patrick Trainer: thing where you can export like dashboards, as Json and I want to see if I can import it, because there’s like a hundred tiles that I want to change the title to, but like I don’t want to click through it.
194 00:24:19.970 ⇒ 00:24:25.899 Patrick Trainer: And so like, I just want to parse the Json and update it there and drop it back in.
195 00:24:26.000 ⇒ 00:24:27.050 Patrick Trainer: So
196 00:24:27.640 ⇒ 00:24:29.750 Uttam Kumaran: I mean, we’ll see
197 00:24:30.040 ⇒ 00:24:39.900 Patrick Trainer: if not. I’m just going to be clicking through that dashboard.
198 00:24:40.720 ⇒ 00:24:50.359 Uttam Kumaran: I mean, I don’t know. We could probably even make this proposal today. But if you, if you gain enough like confidence with pool parts. We can make a pitch for real, and they’ll pay for it.
199 00:24:51.140 ⇒ 00:24:53.680 Uttam Kumaran: Okay, okay. But
200 00:24:53.710 ⇒ 00:24:54.900 Uttam Kumaran: I
201 00:24:55.760 ⇒ 00:24:58.759 Uttam Kumaran: like, that’s a kind of massive change.
202 00:24:59.490 ⇒ 00:25:06.569 Patrick Trainer: Yeah, yeah, I would. I wouldn’t suggest that yet. But like II think I think there’s opportunity there, like, if we
203 00:25:06.750 ⇒ 00:25:12.409 Patrick Trainer: like, double down on just a dashboard creation like make something locally.
204 00:25:12.640 ⇒ 00:25:29.599 Uttam Kumaran: We can dangle the carrot like a little bit and be like check this out. No, I mean, II just want us to deliver more and light. Dash. They’re we’re already paying 600 bucks. So the cost is like pretty close. And the thing is, we’ve got a lot of development work with light dash. But
205 00:25:29.660 ⇒ 00:25:34.309 Uttam Kumaran: in this situation. if we we find a better tool, we find a better tool.
206 00:25:34.360 ⇒ 00:25:40.089 Uttam Kumaran: Right? So when we talk to real, I’m also gonna put that I’m also gonna ask, basically.
207 00:25:40.420 ⇒ 00:25:53.689 Uttam Kumaran: it’s nice. Cause I go to these vendors. And I’m like, Look, we’re about to sell your product. I need free instances. So we can pitch so they’ll probably give us something for free that we can test. And I’m basically gonna say, Hey, we want to do a proof of concept for a client.
208 00:25:53.740 ⇒ 00:25:59.180 Uttam Kumaran: Can we get a month free? And then maybe we can try to work on that. And then the thing is like.
209 00:25:59.310 ⇒ 00:26:02.820 Uttam Kumaran: I don’t want to keep making them change Vi tools.
210 00:26:02.880 ⇒ 00:26:13.199 Uttam Kumaran: So very wary of like, yeah, having. What if we hit a real limitation. Light dash, I think, is the best in terms of like that era of Vi
211 00:26:14.040 ⇒ 00:26:19.800 Uttam Kumaran: cause no one under the other tools you can do multi-select edits. It’s all this sort of work. So
212 00:26:22.360 ⇒ 00:26:25.189 Uttam Kumaran: cool, Ryan, do you want to go?
213 00:26:25.630 ⇒ 00:26:26.580 Ryan Luke Daque: Yeah, sure.
214 00:26:26.750 ⇒ 00:26:36.889 Ryan Luke Daque: So I was doing. Yeah, with the standard repository structure. I also created a ticket related to that, so we can
215 00:26:37.340 ⇒ 00:26:38.780 Ryan Luke Daque: migrate or like.
216 00:26:38.900 ⇒ 00:26:45.310 Ryan Luke Daque: I don’t know what the term is like for pool parts. We can start slowly going. You work on
217 00:26:45.610 ⇒ 00:26:48.369 Ryan Luke Daque: using the standard repo structure that we
218 00:26:48.590 ⇒ 00:26:50.470 Uttam Kumaran: decided on. Okay?
219 00:26:50.700 ⇒ 00:27:01.660 Ryan Luke Daque: And then, yeah, II did the affinity score investigation. So yeah, it was basically just 5 grand. not sinking late. And
220 00:27:02.060 ⇒ 00:27:11.689 Ryan Luke Daque: yeah, it wasn’t sinking for like a couple of weeks already. So we already fixed that I added the recency. like recent data, refresh
221 00:27:11.860 ⇒ 00:27:17.700 Ryan Luke Daque: in all the affected dashboards, or like but for asseting that way, we can see, like, how.
222 00:27:18.060 ⇒ 00:27:30.479 Ryan Luke Daque: what? What? The latest sync to us. And now I’m working on this integrating platform usage into an affiliate team, making making it part of the score, basically the higher the activity.
223 00:27:30.940 ⇒ 00:27:39.009 Ryan Luke Daque: the user or the asset manager or love man love manager, the it becomes like a some sort of multiplier to the score
224 00:27:39.390 ⇒ 00:27:45.800 Ryan Luke Daque: I’m gonna create the Pr in in a bit like maybe after this meeting, so you can check out like what I did.
225 00:27:45.950 ⇒ 00:27:52.019 Ryan Luke Daque: Looks like it. To me, it looks like it’s working so far. But yeah, it could.
226 00:27:52.530 ⇒ 00:27:54.129 Ryan Luke Daque: It would help to have
227 00:27:54.290 ⇒ 00:27:56.950 Ryan Luke Daque: other sets of ice basically to check.
228 00:27:58.450 ⇒ 00:28:10.729 Ryan Luke Daque: Yeah. And maybe after that, I can start working on the tests for pool parts. Adding more tests to yeah, I’m actually like thinking whether to start working on the tests or
229 00:28:10.880 ⇒ 00:28:14.270 Ryan Luke Daque: start working on the repo structure.
230 00:28:14.680 ⇒ 00:28:20.169 Uttam Kumaran: Is there like I would do? I would. I don’t know. I would probably try to do the repo structure.
231 00:28:20.640 ⇒ 00:28:22.589 Ryan Luke Daque: Yeah, I think so, too.
232 00:28:23.310 ⇒ 00:28:26.649 Ryan Luke Daque: But yeah, here they are.
233 00:28:26.740 ⇒ 00:28:29.390 Ryan Luke Daque: But yeah, there’s one more. Actually, I did have a
234 00:28:29.580 ⇒ 00:28:35.559 Ryan Luke Daque: call with Augustine. Yesterday. We discussed about adding the historical data from
235 00:28:35.730 ⇒ 00:28:48.819 Ryan Luke Daque: the pipeline to the pipeline. I mean to the the models cause the pipeline that he created. We’re just like limited to a few days or something. So yeah. I’ll be working on that after this affinity thing. Cause
236 00:28:48.950 ⇒ 00:28:51.410 Ryan Luke Daque: think that’s more urgent.
237 00:28:51.540 ⇒ 00:28:52.300 Uttam Kumaran: Okay.
238 00:28:53.960 ⇒ 00:28:55.569 Ryan Luke Daque: yeah, definitely.
239 00:28:56.360 ⇒ 00:29:03.240 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah. My plate. I’m need to follow with ampla. Today, I have a couple of other calls.
240 00:29:03.660 ⇒ 00:29:06.320 Uttam Kumaran: I guess I’ll just show a little bit of
241 00:29:07.680 ⇒ 00:29:12.060 Uttam Kumaran: little bit of a view into some of the stuff we’re working on the content side.
242 00:29:12.680 ⇒ 00:29:14.560 Uttam Kumaran: Cause. This is currently
243 00:29:14.620 ⇒ 00:29:23.459 Uttam Kumaran: the most fun thing. I’m working on and I’m very excited. So one is. We’re kind of working on a little bit of like a
244 00:29:23.650 ⇒ 00:29:27.040 Uttam Kumaran: site redesign.
245 00:29:27.780 ⇒ 00:29:29.250 This is like kind of like
246 00:29:29.310 ⇒ 00:29:32.210 Uttam Kumaran: an initial version. But basically, we’re
247 00:29:32.790 ⇒ 00:29:42.170 Uttam Kumaran: basically redesigning like, what was there which is like a just a ton of stuff. I did randomly into something that actually looks pretty legit. My friend.
248 00:29:42.190 ⇒ 00:29:44.580 Uttam Kumaran: Ivana, she’s a designer.
249 00:29:44.880 ⇒ 00:29:53.220 Uttam Kumaran: She has her own design agency. She’s like leading a lot of the brand redesign stuff. And then we’re
250 00:29:54.130 ⇒ 00:30:01.090 Uttam Kumaran: working on on the content side is
251 00:30:17.640 ⇒ 00:30:20.650 Uttam Kumaran: this guy loads
252 00:30:31.480 ⇒ 00:30:33.560 Uttam Kumaran: love it, love it
253 00:30:34.570 ⇒ 00:30:35.809 Jack Tomei: on this, the website.
254 00:30:36.880 ⇒ 00:30:42.270 Uttam Kumaran: Wait. No, this is like, did you see the okay? Well, this is like some some like.
255 00:30:42.290 ⇒ 00:30:43.900 Jack Tomei: Oh, this is okay, cool.
256 00:30:43.990 ⇒ 00:30:48.959 Uttam Kumaran: So we’re working on materials for like faqs.
257 00:30:49.160 ⇒ 00:30:50.460 Uttam Kumaran: This is like a
258 00:30:50.710 ⇒ 00:30:55.239 Uttam Kumaran: a sample profile of like someone on our team. Some people ask me for like.
259 00:30:55.350 ⇒ 00:31:09.369 Uttam Kumaran: can you send me resumes, and I have. Like, I basically took a lot of our experiences. And I created like, here’s a here’s like a example, ae, that works on our team. Or as an example analyst. That was my team. So we’re creating like formats for that
260 00:31:09.570 ⇒ 00:31:12.490 Uttam Kumaran: one-pagers like service docs.
261 00:31:12.860 ⇒ 00:31:17.720 Uttam Kumaran: and yeah, I think that’s and then
262 00:31:18.110 ⇒ 00:31:21.690 Uttam Kumaran: and then also, like we are working on a
263 00:31:22.080 ⇒ 00:31:25.850 Uttam Kumaran: a bit of a deck. Something I did for this one company, but
264 00:31:25.960 ⇒ 00:31:33.119 Uttam Kumaran: just like, what’s a what’s like a default deck that we use to pitch if we need to.
265 00:31:33.740 ⇒ 00:31:44.079 Uttam Kumaran: And then what I did is I over the last like few weeks. where also, I basically have, like a pretty high level, like content architecture of like.
266 00:31:44.660 ⇒ 00:31:51.120 Uttam Kumaran: we need Faqs and website, we need like service offerings, partnership docs like, what are all the assets we need.
267 00:31:51.140 ⇒ 00:32:00.280 Uttam Kumaran: So let’s have, like a design language around that. And then I also went through like 15 or 20 of the of our competitors. and basically like
268 00:32:00.350 ⇒ 00:32:04.399 Uttam Kumaran: just dissected like their websites.
269 00:32:04.590 ⇒ 00:32:07.539 Uttam Kumaran: So II have an understanding of like, what’s the market
270 00:32:08.380 ⇒ 00:32:11.430 Uttam Kumaran: like? Who’s what are people communicating in our market.
271 00:32:11.510 ⇒ 00:32:17.920 Uttam Kumaran: And then, like, how do we stand out? Basically, my takeaways that everybody’s stuff is like so ugly
272 00:32:17.950 ⇒ 00:32:21.520 Uttam Kumaran: and so heavy with jargon. and
273 00:32:21.630 ⇒ 00:32:36.909 Uttam Kumaran: honestly that make it clean and simple dude. I feel that all these websites have so much to say.
274 00:32:37.200 ⇒ 00:32:47.459 Uttam Kumaran: like I want like, for, for example, for me. And I’ve I’ve been reading a lot about content and stuff of that like I want to talk about the wins that we’ve had for clients.
275 00:32:47.510 ⇒ 00:32:52.750 Uttam Kumaran: I don’t want to spend any time talking about us like only for what it’s worth to get
276 00:32:52.880 ⇒ 00:33:00.120 Uttam Kumaran: people to have credibility. But like none of these areas, they’ve talked about the things that they’ve done for people.
277 00:33:00.460 ⇒ 00:33:04.950 Uttam Kumaran: you know, like half of them don’t have testimonials. A lot of them have so much jargon like.
278 00:33:05.560 ⇒ 00:33:10.199 Uttam Kumaran: you know, and we work in data like some of this stuff. I’m like, what are they even talking about?
279 00:33:10.800 ⇒ 00:33:36.320 Uttam Kumaran: And so I wanna have layers fucking like corporate stock photos of those people like sitting at desk. I do not like that. Yeah, I wanna have layers like I wanna have. Oh, we do data modeling. Okay, go into that now. You can see like we do, Snowflake. We do all this stuff like, but to put that on the surface because I may be talking to a CEO, and that person is, gonna see us be like, I don’t know what they do.
280 00:33:36.440 ⇒ 00:33:50.940 Uttam Kumaran: So I want to show like, oh, we we manage their shipping costs. Oh, we did a warranty analysis. Oh, cool cause when I pitch when I talk to people like that’s actually what they interested in hearing about. I want to hear about the data they want to hear like, what can I understand? What are the actual things? And
281 00:33:51.680 ⇒ 00:33:55.460 Uttam Kumaran: so I was also dude. I was going through Hank’s website, too.
282 00:33:55.920 ⇒ 00:33:57.790 Jack Tomei: Oh, what is Hank’s website.
283 00:33:57.830 ⇒ 00:34:15.270 Uttam Kumaran: Hank?
284 00:34:38.960 ⇒ 00:34:47.469 Uttam Kumaran: We’re in the same boat. He’s like he’s got a charge. No, and he’s he’s doing really, really well.
285 00:34:48.500 ⇒ 00:35:02.869 Uttam Kumaran: but yeah, so we’re making progress on this. A lot of this should get resolved this week or next week. But but my hope is my hope is that once this is this is ready. I’ll be able to give each of you guys like a little bit of a package of like
286 00:35:03.120 ⇒ 00:35:14.000 Uttam Kumaran: if you talk to somebody, or if you can do a Linkedin blast, or if you could do, here’s like couple of piece of collateral co talking points and then
287 00:35:14.050 ⇒ 00:35:26.259 Jack Tomei: just blast that off like II have. So when I worked for aws, I was on their startup business development team, where we pretty much talked to founders out of Y combinator and shit.
288 00:35:26.530 ⇒ 00:35:37.180 Jack Tomei: And I was working for their sales team. So these sales guys like their whole life, is just talking at early stage founders, they know, like every fucking company that’s coming up, and they try to pitch aws, but like
289 00:35:37.840 ⇒ 00:35:52.290 Jack Tomei: people that already have, like, you know, lasting relationships. II know this guy. He could totally reach out to like past clients of his. And and yeah, and then, basically, like, I don’t want anybody to be nervous that we’re like a legitimate
290 00:35:52.500 ⇒ 00:36:05.309 Uttam Kumaran: place. So yeah.
291 00:36:05.500 ⇒ 00:36:07.090 Uttam Kumaran: cool. But I’m excited.
292 00:36:07.170 ⇒ 00:36:18.479 Uttam Kumaran: Good to hear about Hank. A lot of people say they’re doing freelance work. And they’re like, it’s not really. No, no, he’s like he. Yeah, he’s doing like a. He’s doing a lot of work and making a lot of money.
293 00:36:18.630 ⇒ 00:36:21.490 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, that’s cool. It’s it’s really nice. It’s awesome.
294 00:36:22.420 ⇒ 00:36:30.820 Uttam Kumaran: Cool. Okay? I gotta hop. But let’s keep talking in slack, and then, Jackie, I may try to dial in. Let me. I’ll I’ll let you know if I’m available.
295 00:36:31.270 ⇒ 00:36:39.249 Jack Tomei: okay, yeah, no worries. If not. He’s pretty flexible. So like if I have to hop out halfway through like we’ll pull me back up later in the afternoon, or something
296 00:36:40.630 ⇒ 00:36:43.510 Uttam Kumaran: alright. See? You guys, thanks, guys.