Meeting Title: Eden Attribution Strategy Sync Date: 2025-09-10 Meeting participants: Robert Tseng, Henry Zhao


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1 00:00:12.770 00:00:14.149 Henry Zhao: Hey Robert, how’s it going?

2 00:00:17.390 00:00:20.659 Robert Tseng: Hey, hey, Henry. Sorry, I’m, like, starting to eat lunch.

3 00:00:21.950 00:00:24.380 Robert Tseng: Oh, sorry, oh, all good.

4 00:00:25.020 00:00:25.959 Henry Zhao: All good? Okay.

5 00:00:26.560 00:00:27.220 Robert Tseng: Yeah.

6 00:00:27.420 00:00:30.450 Henry Zhao: Yeah, I have quite a few things to go over with you,

7 00:00:31.810 00:00:36.940 Henry Zhao: I guess we’ll go one by one. I think my first question for you is, like, kind of, how are we doing…

8 00:00:37.190 00:00:39.360 Henry Zhao: attribution at Eden.

9 00:00:40.500 00:00:47.980 Henry Zhao: like, Cutter wants an attribution expert, and I think that I can be that person. I just need to get a better understanding, I think, of what we’re doing in North Beam.

10 00:00:48.500 00:00:51.629 Henry Zhao: And how we’re… we’re looking at attribution.

11 00:00:52.050 00:00:55.200 Henry Zhao: Last touch… yeah, you know what I mean?

12 00:00:55.200 00:00:59.920 Robert Tseng: Yeah, it’s… I think it’s… it’s just last touch, really, from… from North Beam.

13 00:01:00.230 00:01:07.540 Robert Tseng: And, yeah, I mean, it’s whatever they’ve set up in there, like, I didn’t configure it, but,

14 00:01:07.700 00:01:13.349 Robert Tseng: whatever is in our theme, we just pull that directly into BigQuery, and that’s what we’re doing for attribution, so…

15 00:01:13.480 00:01:29.339 Robert Tseng: I think they kept it because you can do… there are more preset configurations in Northbeam that you can just, like, toggle, and then we can… but they… it’s not like they’ve experimented with other models, like, they just use whatever was set up there, and

16 00:01:30.260 00:01:34.009 Robert Tseng: And yeah, so I do think, like, the tracking pro… yeah, go ahead.

17 00:01:34.770 00:01:36.210 Henry Zhao: Sorry, go ahead, I don’t want to interrupt.

18 00:01:36.430 00:01:43.689 Robert Tseng: Well, I was gonna say, I do think that the tracking, whatever, like, the tracking accuracy problem, yes, it’s partially attribution.

19 00:01:43.810 00:01:46.100 Robert Tseng: But it is partially,

20 00:01:46.390 00:02:02.769 Robert Tseng: like, attribution modeling is only one part of the equation. The other part is definitely still just, like, why are we missing UTMs and, like, whatever. Maybe the edge of their stuff might help there. So I do think that it’s, there’s two ways that we can address the problem from.

21 00:02:04.080 00:02:11.869 Henry Zhao: Okay, but right now it sounds like attribution is, like, a three-part problem. One is reporting, two is, like, optimizing campaigns, right?

22 00:02:12.520 00:02:18.740 Henry Zhao: And 3 is, like, giving credit to sources that we’re paying, whether it’s the offer, or…

23 00:02:18.920 00:02:20.519 Henry Zhao: Or something else that it might be.

24 00:02:20.610 00:02:21.980 Robert Tseng: I missed that one, yeah.

25 00:02:22.790 00:02:29.010 Henry Zhao: So, for reporting, do you think they’re using Northbeam for that, or are they using Tableau, or are they maybe even using Mixpanel?

26 00:02:30.440 00:02:37.610 Robert Tseng: They’re not using Mixpanel, they’re using Ta… well, they’re… they’re looking at what we have in Tableau, but it is… which is coming from Northbeam.

27 00:02:40.520 00:02:41.790 Henry Zhao: So…

28 00:02:42.190 00:02:48.919 Henry Zhao: So let me… yeah, let’s try… I’m trying to get… yeah, I’m trying to get a better understanding of this. So, let’s go to a segment,

29 00:02:50.750 00:02:51.769 Henry Zhao: Ugh, again.

30 00:02:52.140 00:02:52.930 Henry Zhao: Second.

31 00:02:53.360 00:02:54.460 Robert Tseng: August.

32 00:02:57.100 00:03:00.150 Henry Zhao: I feel like things have been timing out a lot faster lately, whether it’s Google.

33 00:03:00.150 00:03:00.910 Robert Tseng: Oh, really?

34 00:03:01.660 00:03:02.730 Henry Zhao: Yeah, I don’t know why.

35 00:03:03.330 00:03:05.770 Henry Zhao: And even 1Password, like, times out.

36 00:03:06.670 00:03:07.450 Robert Tseng: Oh, yeah.

37 00:03:09.670 00:03:13.260 Robert Tseng: 1Password’s annoying every… literally every time I have to type it in.

38 00:03:14.000 00:03:17.829 Henry Zhao: Also, I still can’t figure out how to get that to autofill, like, like it has for you.

39 00:03:18.620 00:03:21.030 Robert Tseng: Oh, really? Even with the extension?

40 00:03:22.030 00:03:25.119 Robert Tseng: I see you have the Chrome extension, but it’s still not autofilling?

41 00:03:25.700 00:03:26.390 Henry Zhao: -

42 00:03:28.570 00:03:29.460 Robert Tseng: Interesting.

43 00:03:32.680 00:03:36.859 Henry Zhao: Yeah, ChatGPT’d it, I even went to… Is it this?

44 00:03:38.660 00:03:39.709 Robert Tseng: I don’t think so.

45 00:03:44.220 00:03:46.850 Henry Zhao: Alright, I’ll have to just use my phone. Okay.

46 00:03:47.390 00:03:53.230 Henry Zhao: So you’re saying, first, the data is going into North Beam, and then from North Beam, it’s going into…

47 00:03:53.720 00:03:56.070 Henry Zhao: BigQuery, and then from BigQuery, it’s going to Tableau.

48 00:03:57.230 00:03:57.850 Robert Tseng: Yeah.

49 00:03:59.050 00:04:03.379 Henry Zhao: where do I see North Beam in sources, and also where do I even see VWO?

50 00:04:13.640 00:04:18.900 Robert Tseng: North Theme, we’re… I don’t… we’re not using segment to pull North Theme in.

51 00:04:19.959 00:04:24.889 Robert Tseng: I think we have… Are we using polytopic for that?

52 00:04:25.300 00:04:29.820 Robert Tseng: I remember we moved it out of North… we moved it out of segment. I forgot what we’re,

53 00:04:30.000 00:04:31.279 Robert Tseng: Where a waste has that.

54 00:04:31.710 00:04:34.130 Henry Zhao: Okay, what about VW… so I’ll ask Always about that.

55 00:04:34.130 00:04:37.100 Robert Tseng: VWO, I also moved out of segment, so…

56 00:04:37.100 00:04:38.120 Henry Zhao: Okay.

57 00:04:38.320 00:04:38.900 Robert Tseng: Yeah.

58 00:04:40.570 00:04:43.650 Henry Zhao: Can you show me where VWO moved to?

59 00:04:48.590 00:04:54.450 Henry Zhao: I need to remove, sending all of those campaigns to the customer I.O.

60 00:04:55.520 00:04:57.059 Robert Tseng: We’re still setting them? Oh.

61 00:05:00.410 00:05:05.190 Robert Tseng: Ugh, I haven’t touched VWO in my… a couple months.

62 00:05:07.170 00:05:08.840 Robert Tseng: That’s the login alone.

63 00:05:12.520 00:05:14.199 Henry Zhao: Meantime, let me ask a wish.

64 00:05:22.510 00:05:23.100 Robert Tseng: Sweet.

65 00:05:27.910 00:05:31.540 Henry Zhao: So, we’re completely right now using Northbeam, then, for attribution.

66 00:05:31.910 00:05:32.739 Robert Tseng: Yeah, we are.

67 00:05:33.080 00:05:35.670 Henry Zhao: Okay, that makes sense now. So that makes sense why…

68 00:05:36.280 00:05:44.200 Henry Zhao: the reporting part at least makes sense now, why we need to implement server-side tracking in Northbeam, because that’s feeding BigQuery, obviously.

69 00:05:44.370 00:05:54.600 Henry Zhao: And then even, like, customer enriched profiles, it has first touch and last touch, but that needs to be properly set up, obviously. And then for the other way around, right, so the other problem, which is Stuart thinking that

70 00:05:54.810 00:06:08.389 Henry Zhao: we need to optimize our campaigns. Would… should that also be done in Northbeam? Like, is the intention for us to do that in Northbeam? Like, does Northbeam also send to Facebook and Google to… with the information to optimize?

71 00:06:08.390 00:06:11.199 Robert Tseng: No, it doesn’t. I don’t think it does.

72 00:06:11.200 00:06:13.299 Henry Zhao: So how is North Beam relevant to that?

73 00:06:14.260 00:06:25.660 Henry Zhao: like, I’m hearing things like, oh, we’re paying a lot, on Facebook, and it’s not being optimized because of bad data in Northbeam. If we’re not using Northbeam for that, I’m a little confused what I think they mean by that.

74 00:06:27.660 00:06:35.240 Robert Tseng: I… I think that this… it’s still about us not having, which…

75 00:06:36.900 00:06:41.570 Robert Tseng: we already are setting, like, data… I mean, this is whole… the whole server side, like.

76 00:06:41.750 00:06:55.099 Robert Tseng: kind of, like, with the Facebook Cappy sending data back into Facebook, I don’t… I don’t think Northbeam is part of that, that, that pixel setup, so, like, I don’t… I don’t really… I don’t really understand what he’s saying either from that.

77 00:06:55.920 00:07:02.009 Henry Zhao: Okay, I’ll have the discussion with Zoran and Stuart, and just get a better understanding with, like, Zoran there as an expert.

78 00:07:02.440 00:07:10.190 Henry Zhao: And then for… for, like, attributing costs, like, for the offer, how does that work? So…

79 00:07:10.440 00:07:17.099 Henry Zhao: How does, like, shouldn’t the offer… like, is the offer charging us based on their data, or are we sending them data and paying them?

80 00:07:18.430 00:07:22.850 Henry Zhao: Because if it’s the offer, that doesn’t seem like an us problem, it’s like a the offer problem, you know?

81 00:07:23.060 00:07:23.699 Henry Zhao: Based on what.

82 00:07:23.700 00:07:35.140 Robert Tseng: Yeah, no, they’re… it’s using our data, but the problem is that we’re setting… yeah, the whole, we’re sending them leads and not necessarily sales, so that’s why they think that they’re overpaying for that.

83 00:07:35.820 00:07:40.820 Henry Zhao: And either way, if it’s last touch, we shouldn’t be overpaying, because we’re still giving each sale just one attribution.

84 00:07:41.080 00:07:42.580 Henry Zhao: Like, if we were doing…

85 00:07:42.880 00:07:48.700 Henry Zhao: multi-touch, right? Like, if we’re doing linear and giving everyone full credit, then that’s a problem, but if we’re doing less touch, there shouldn’t be a problem.

86 00:07:49.070 00:07:51.010 Henry Zhao: So that’s where I was also confused this morning.

87 00:07:55.360 00:07:56.140 Robert Tseng: I see.

88 00:07:56.280 00:08:09.150 Henry Zhao: Do you have anything against us doing, attribution in Mixpanel? Because it seems like that would be easier, you know? So, for example, the thing that I’m working on for Judd right now is, revenue that’s coming from

89 00:08:09.580 00:08:12.470 Henry Zhao: certain email and SMS campaigns.

90 00:08:12.830 00:08:19.569 Henry Zhao: And it seems like that would just be the easiest to do using MixedPanel, because we have order completed in here, we have the order total.

91 00:08:20.400 00:08:24.609 Henry Zhao: And whenever we do load in a page, there are UTMs.

92 00:08:25.030 00:08:28.230 Henry Zhao: So, I wonder if that’s the easiest way for us to just do attribution.

93 00:08:28.950 00:08:32.140 Henry Zhao: Or is there a tool in BigQuery that you think is better for that?

94 00:08:32.760 00:08:43.309 Robert Tseng: No, I mean, I’m open to… I don’t think we’ve done a… I don’t think we’ve really come up with a solution for this, so I think if you can use Mixpanel for that, I’m interested in seeing how you do that.

95 00:08:43.799 00:08:46.609 Henry Zhao: Yeah, maybe let’s compare the two,

96 00:08:46.809 00:08:49.379 Henry Zhao: So, yeah, these are the… these are, like, the…

97 00:08:49.679 00:08:58.369 Henry Zhao: criteria, I want to maybe just compare the two, and then I’ll let you know what that looks like. But I just wanted to ask you for some context before I do anything that maybe doesn’t.

98 00:08:58.370 00:08:59.080 Robert Tseng: Okay.

99 00:08:59.460 00:09:02.460 Robert Tseng: Yeah, no, I mean, sorry, I wasn’t that helpful, but, I think.

100 00:09:02.460 00:09:15.799 Henry Zhao: Oh, that was helpful. Yeah, that’s what I was missing. And then, Adam, I talked to Adam while you were out, just to kind of get an idea from him what he wants to see in MixedPanel, and he says he wants to see anything and everything in Mixpanel.

101 00:09:16.880 00:09:18.949 Robert Tseng: Intake data is what he cares about, yeah.

102 00:09:18.950 00:09:22.300 Henry Zhao: What is intake data? Is that just the form filling out Triadin?

103 00:09:22.480 00:09:23.050 Robert Tseng: Yeah.

104 00:09:23.490 00:09:26.579 Henry Zhao: That’s it, and then does it end up in an order completed? That’s it.

105 00:09:27.110 00:09:27.680 Robert Tseng: Yeah.

106 00:09:28.560 00:09:33.959 Henry Zhao: So, in what sense is that not ready? Last time you said that wasn’t ready,

107 00:09:34.490 00:09:38.860 Henry Zhao: I feel like all the events are in here that it should be ready, unless there’s some reporting that he’s not seeing.

108 00:09:39.460 00:09:46.759 Robert Tseng: Also, they keep shifting their intake, so I’m not exactly sure where it’s coming from now, but,

109 00:09:47.090 00:09:58.650 Robert Tseng: Yeah, all these experiments, that they have in their intake, I mean, if this is… if we can just validate that, like, oh yeah, like, these… all of the new… because this may just be, like, a batch of the old ones, because they were.

110 00:09:58.650 00:09:59.399 Henry Zhao: in a few different places.

111 00:09:59.400 00:10:12.850 Robert Tseng: providers, they have Typeform, they had, I forgot what the other tool was, and then they have the native, Splug. I think the native BASC intake, forms, like, we have, but if they’re using something else, then, I don’t think

112 00:10:13.070 00:10:17.039 Robert Tseng: I don’t think we… we may not be capturing everything in Mixpanel. I think that’s just…

113 00:10:17.040 00:10:21.719 Henry Zhao: That’s my point. Okay, should I ask Adam, just kind of, like, from his experience, what’s missing, or…

114 00:10:22.490 00:10:24.580 Henry Zhao: What do you think is the best way to go about this?

115 00:10:24.740 00:10:31.379 Robert Tseng: Well, I would say intakes is all things… everything is under Ryan, so I think Ryan would be the one to kind of just, like, check

116 00:10:31.560 00:10:32.740 Robert Tseng: Which I’m with there.

117 00:10:33.300 00:10:34.060 Henry Zhao: Okay.

118 00:10:34.400 00:10:34.940 Robert Tseng: Yeah.

119 00:10:41.430 00:10:52.340 Robert Tseng: So what we could do is… I don’t know how much time Ryan has spent in MixedMount, I may not know. So we just kind of… you could just show him that word and tell him, like, hey, all of these intakes are being tracked here, it looks like we should have

120 00:10:54.210 00:11:05.010 Robert Tseng: I don’t know if you can… if you can see drop-off at the intake level in mixed panel, though, so that might be one issue, and then also, whether or not we have all of the intakes actually being tracked there.

121 00:11:05.480 00:11:11.039 Henry Zhao: Okay, so I’ll just meet with Ryan. He’s the one that should be, like, even if the sales team is looking at Mixpanel, Ryan is, like.

122 00:11:11.220 00:11:13.330 Henry Zhao: The… the person in charge of that?

123 00:11:13.810 00:11:21.149 Robert Tseng: Yeah, Ryan should be… I mean, he’s the owner of all the intake stuff, so he needs to be… yeah, he should be the one for that.

124 00:11:22.190 00:11:22.800 Henry Zhao: Okay.

125 00:11:22.900 00:11:32.059 Henry Zhao: And then, can we just get some clarification on the, cancels and abandons that are going into Northbeam? So, we’re sending all, like, order completed into,

126 00:11:32.210 00:11:36.050 Henry Zhao: North Peak, basically, right? Some of those aren’t really getting money…

127 00:11:36.570 00:11:38.239 Robert Tseng: But yeah, some of… yeah.

128 00:11:38.910 00:11:41.239 Henry Zhao: And that’s what we’re calling councils or abandons.

129 00:11:42.220 00:11:48.909 Robert Tseng: Yeah, because some of them, they may be completed, but then they actually, get… well, they all start and abandon.

130 00:11:49.090 00:11:54.729 Robert Tseng: So, everything that’s completed is actually abandoned, and then some of them never actually end up

131 00:11:55.760 00:11:59.830 Robert Tseng: You know, materializing into real orders by being sent to the pharmacy or whatever.

132 00:12:00.170 00:12:08.140 Henry Zhao: Okay, gotcha, that’s right. So, like, when somebody cancels their payment, or the pharmacy doesn’t approve it, we’re not, like, removing it from Northbeam.

133 00:12:08.430 00:12:08.830 Robert Tseng: Yeah.

134 00:12:09.230 00:12:17.020 Henry Zhao: Alright, we’re powering through these, great. Yeah, so I just… I’ll probably tag him in this, but we need to just remove all the VWO tests from Customer I.O.

135 00:12:18.760 00:12:20.990 Henry Zhao: Bobby said it was coming from Penguin, but it’s not, I guess.

136 00:12:21.500 00:12:31.759 Robert Tseng: It’s… it’s not, it’s pretty hot. Yeah, I wasn’t able to find VWO, it’s not coming from Bitcoin, it doesn’t even land there, so… I feel like it just must be, like, some silly, like.

137 00:12:31.990 00:12:43.219 Robert Tseng: someone’s… probably robbed previously, some other dude set up VWO directly into Customer I.O, which I have not looked at, because, yeah, I don’t really know what else has a direct integration with Customer I.O.

138 00:12:43.940 00:12:46.639 Henry Zhao: Okay, I’ll have to look into that then.

139 00:12:51.870 00:12:52.860 Henry Zhao: It’s fine.

140 00:12:55.090 00:12:56.499 Henry Zhao: This is fine.

141 00:13:02.050 00:13:10.530 Henry Zhao: Okay… Yeah, so I’m gonna sync with Ryan before I decide on MixedPanel.

142 00:13:11.200 00:13:16.979 Henry Zhao: But I think now I might want to keep it, because I think just there’s some ways that we can do things easier or faster in Mixpanel.

143 00:13:17.820 00:13:18.400 Henry Zhao: Yeah.

144 00:13:18.560 00:13:24.510 Henry Zhao: Semi doesn’t seem too bad. When it was 35K, I was like, yeah, I don’t know if, you know, Eden would like that, but anyway.

145 00:13:25.110 00:13:25.680 Robert Tseng: Yeah.

146 00:13:25.940 00:13:31.029 Henry Zhao: And then, default feedback I haven’t looked at yet, I’m still kind of working with Rochell on the data there, so…

147 00:13:31.260 00:13:32.100 Robert Tseng: Okay.

148 00:13:32.100 00:13:37.290 Henry Zhao: Yeah, right now we really just wanted to create a very basic version, so that’s why it’s kind of just very hacky.

149 00:13:38.320 00:13:39.370 Henry Zhao: All good.

150 00:13:40.380 00:13:41.160 Henry Zhao: Okay.

151 00:13:42.190 00:13:44.219 Henry Zhao: Alright, anything else that you want to talk about?

152 00:13:44.960 00:13:54.340 Robert Tseng: Yeah, no, I mean, I’m also just catching up on stuff still, so I think, yeah, I just, I just met with ELT, the conversation went well, so…

153 00:13:54.410 00:14:11.790 Robert Tseng: You know, Zoron is actually not really, like, the ads… I don’t think attribution is really his specialty. He may be able to help with tracking and, like, any, like, integration stuff, but, he’s, like, because he’s a… he’s… he’s expert in JavaScript and everything, so he can, like, kind of programmatically, like, look into all these things, but…

154 00:14:11.820 00:14:17.859 Robert Tseng: I do think that, you know, if that ends up becoming your domain, like, I… I don’t think so I won’t be that guy.

155 00:14:18.740 00:14:25.809 Henry Zhao: But I kind of need him as, like, a sidekick, you know what I mean? Because… Yeah. So first, I need to get this context from you, and then secondly, I just need his help with the SGTM stuff.

156 00:14:26.320 00:14:26.910 Robert Tseng: Yeah.

157 00:14:28.600 00:14:36.050 Henry Zhao: And then, were you able to share the customer I.O. slide for… at ELT meeting today? I know we didn’t get a chance to go over it together before.

158 00:14:36.340 00:14:37.230 Henry Zhao: presenting it.

159 00:14:37.750 00:14:40.069 Robert Tseng: Oh, I…

160 00:14:40.250 00:14:41.980 Henry Zhao: That was the one right after the Mixed Panel slime.

161 00:14:42.750 00:14:51.070 Robert Tseng: I… yeah, I didn’t… I mean, we just… I just told them, wait, did you need feedback… feedback from him? I just kind of said that thing… yeah, I just… I gave him an update on, like…

162 00:14:51.360 00:14:58.260 Robert Tseng: yeah, like, custom models all set up, it’s using, like, data model, now you’re basically working with Jed directly, so, like, they’re aware of that.

163 00:14:59.240 00:15:03.639 Henry Zhao: Okay, cool. And then Tableau, how do we want to do Tableau moving forward?

164 00:15:04.510 00:15:12.870 Henry Zhao: Just because I don’t want to, like, every time I change, I have to download it from Tableau’s server, and to make sure it’s up to date. Like, is there, you think, a more efficient way we can…

165 00:15:12.990 00:15:14.080 Henry Zhao: Work on Tableau?

166 00:15:14.930 00:15:21.150 Robert Tseng: Yeah, I just… I just download it to desktop, and I edit it, and then publish, honestly. So, I…

167 00:15:22.380 00:15:23.620 Robert Tseng: I guess…

168 00:15:23.780 00:15:29.169 Robert Tseng: if you’re making changes on something that I am, like, I’m not really sure how else we’ll coordinate that.

169 00:15:29.560 00:15:39.320 Henry Zhao: Do we want to maybe just use linear to communicate? Like, if you are taking over one of my tasks, if you can just assign it to yourself? Yeah. That way I can check with you if… otherwise, we might be doing duplicate work or something like that.

170 00:15:39.800 00:15:40.460 Robert Tseng: Okay.

171 00:15:40.730 00:15:45.040 Robert Tseng: Yeah, I mean, I think by default, they’re mostly coming towards you, and then…

172 00:15:45.240 00:15:49.220 Robert Tseng: I guess if something gets assigned to me, like, I may step in to do it, so…

173 00:15:49.350 00:15:53.340 Henry Zhao: I just needed some time to understand the models and, like, what goes behind the calculated fields.

174 00:15:54.340 00:15:57.790 Henry Zhao: Because some of them seem, like, self-explanatory, like, if it’s…

175 00:15:58.740 00:16:02.729 Henry Zhao: NCAC, right? It’s just something divided by something else, but I need to make sure… Yeah.

176 00:16:03.010 00:16:05.119 Henry Zhao: Some of them are, like, fixed by cohort.

177 00:16:05.550 00:16:11.590 Henry Zhao: Some of them, like, I might not be able to do it… I don’t want to do, like, an average of an average, you know what I mean? Like, I just want to double-check on those things.

178 00:16:12.000 00:16:12.600 Robert Tseng: Yeah.

179 00:16:13.690 00:16:17.389 Henry Zhao: Yeah, but I’ll try to make progress on that this week, now that I’m more caught up.

180 00:16:18.250 00:16:18.870 Robert Tseng: Okay.

181 00:16:19.170 00:16:22.419 Robert Tseng: Cool. Well, hope you feel… hope you get well soon, too.

182 00:16:22.600 00:16:23.710 Henry Zhao: You too.

183 00:16:23.890 00:16:24.220 Robert Tseng: Yeah.

184 00:16:26.020 00:16:30.730 Robert Tseng: We’re both just, like, on the columns, sniffling and coughing.

185 00:16:30.730 00:16:31.230 Henry Zhao: Yeah.

186 00:16:33.130 00:16:38.039 Henry Zhao: Also, I’ll be in a little late tomorrow, because I have a dental cleanup, just something normal.

187 00:16:38.560 00:16:39.349 Robert Tseng: No worries.

188 00:16:39.730 00:16:41.080 Henry Zhao: Alright, thanks, Robert.

189 00:16:41.320 00:16:43.099 Robert Tseng: Cool, alright, talk to you later.

190 00:16:43.410 00:16:44.420 Henry Zhao: Talk to you later, bye.