Meeting Title: Revise Gantt for Default PA workflow Date: 2026-01-28 Meeting participants: Mustafa Raja, Greg Stoutenburg
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1 00:00:42.520 ⇒ 00:00:43.500 Mustafa Raja: Hey…
2 00:00:44.200 ⇒ 00:00:45.540 Greg Stoutenburg: Hey, Giffo, how’s it going?
3 00:00:46.010 ⇒ 00:00:47.240 Mustafa Raja: Good, how are you?
4 00:00:47.670 ⇒ 00:00:50.089 Greg Stoutenburg: Doing well.
5 00:00:51.370 ⇒ 00:01:07.180 Greg Stoutenburg: Alright, let’s do this Gantt. So, so yesterday I had a call with Nandica for, I don’t know, probably around an hour. She gave me a real deep dive into what they’re planning for Phoenix, walked me through everything they’ve got in Figma.
6 00:01:07.180 ⇒ 00:01:14.510 Greg Stoutenburg: Which is, you know, of course it’s just designed so far, but at least we’re able to see, like, the intended workflows that they’re gonna set up.
7 00:01:14.560 ⇒ 00:01:15.610 Mustafa Raja: Yeah. So…
8 00:01:15.660 ⇒ 00:01:18.679 Greg Stoutenburg: So that’s gonna be really critical for…
9 00:01:19.160 ⇒ 00:01:34.490 Greg Stoutenburg: planning out how we’ll instrument this, because it gives me enough to go on to at least, like, start on the tracking plan. Now, that was just, you know, a walkthrough on a call. She still hasn’t actually given me access, but said that they’ll work on it, so…
10 00:01:34.660 ⇒ 00:01:41.159 Greg Stoutenburg: That puts us… I don’t know, assuming I’m able to get access, say, tomorrow, I can probably have
11 00:01:41.330 ⇒ 00:01:45.840 Greg Stoutenburg: A version 1 of a tracking plan done for them, maybe end of next week?
12 00:01:46.110 ⇒ 00:01:47.320 Mustafa Raja: Okay.
13 00:01:47.730 ⇒ 00:01:55.269 Greg Stoutenburg: But, you know, even once that’s finished, that doesn’t allow us to start instrumenting. So.
14 00:01:55.270 ⇒ 00:02:02.810 Mustafa Raja: By… sorry, I’m cutting you off, but by instrument, do we mean, that we will have the, events firing off?
15 00:02:04.110 ⇒ 00:02:10.630 Greg Stoutenburg: Yeah, yeah, exactly. So, instrument meaning, like, however it is those events are gonna make their way into amplitude.
16 00:02:10.639 ⇒ 00:02:11.169 Mustafa Raja: Okay.
17 00:02:11.170 ⇒ 00:02:28.630 Greg Stoutenburg: is set. As of right now, they’ve got a small number of events that Segment sends into Amplitude on their current implementation. But we’re going to try to, you know, be a lot more granular than what’s there. And then, I guess it’s something for us to…
18 00:02:28.630 ⇒ 00:02:45.340 Greg Stoutenburg: for us, I mean, me, and I’ll, like, consult with Robert on this, and whoever else can… whoever else will do data engineering for this, to understand, like, are we gonna keep using segment here? Like, what are some of the pros and cons? I really don’t know of using Segment versus just having code
19 00:02:45.430 ⇒ 00:02:48.759 Greg Stoutenburg: in their product, sending data straight into Amplitude.
20 00:02:49.680 ⇒ 00:02:50.749 Greg Stoutenburg: Does that make sense?
21 00:02:50.750 ⇒ 00:02:52.799 Mustafa Raja: So, so, so what’s Segment doing right now?
22 00:02:53.990 ⇒ 00:02:58.679 Greg Stoutenburg: So, right now, Segment is collecting events and sending them into Amplitude.
23 00:02:59.450 ⇒ 00:03:00.100 Mustafa Raja: Okay.
24 00:03:00.100 ⇒ 00:03:06.330 Greg Stoutenburg: I actually… and I don’t know why it’s set up that way, rather than.
25 00:03:06.330 ⇒ 00:03:08.419 Mustafa Raja: Yeah, rather than going…
26 00:03:08.420 ⇒ 00:03:09.479 Greg Stoutenburg: straight in amplitude.
27 00:03:09.480 ⇒ 00:03:12.869 Mustafa Raja: Then the question will be, what’s the purpose of amplitude there, then, right?
28 00:03:13.400 ⇒ 00:03:26.480 Greg Stoutenburg: Well, so, amplitude is much more… is quite powerful for the product analytics view, so they need that. The question to me is, why are the events coming from segment rather than from the product directly?
29 00:03:26.710 ⇒ 00:03:27.400 Mustafa Raja: Yeah.
30 00:03:27.670 ⇒ 00:03:28.950 Mustafa Raja: Yeah, okay.
31 00:03:29.490 ⇒ 00:03:29.870 Greg Stoutenburg: Yeah.
32 00:03:29.870 ⇒ 00:03:30.490 Mustafa Raja: Yeah, that’s it.
33 00:03:30.490 ⇒ 00:03:30.950 Greg Stoutenburg: So…
34 00:03:30.950 ⇒ 00:03:32.070 Mustafa Raja: That’s a good insight.
35 00:03:33.380 ⇒ 00:03:44.680 Greg Stoutenburg: Yeah, okay, so taking a look at this, alright, let’s… let’s just kind of, like, slowly look at this and just get caught up on Plan A and think about how to revise this for…
36 00:03:45.450 ⇒ 00:03:46.089 Greg Stoutenburg: Plan B.
37 00:03:49.520 ⇒ 00:03:53.790 Mustafa Raja: Do you think we should keep it like this, and do another view?
38 00:03:56.380 ⇒ 00:03:57.529 Greg Stoutenburg: What do you mean?
39 00:03:58.040 ⇒ 00:04:06.860 Mustafa Raja: another Gantt chart, and not touch this, so we could, you know, see, you know, what really changed in our plan.
40 00:04:07.840 ⇒ 00:04:10.379 Greg Stoutenburg: Oh yeah, sure, good idea. Let’s try that.
41 00:04:11.270 ⇒ 00:04:14.430 Greg Stoutenburg: Also, this might… this right here, this is a pretty…
42 00:04:14.670 ⇒ 00:04:27.359 Greg Stoutenburg: straightforward, coherent, repeatable approach. So, it could be the next time we do one of these, we want to go, oh yeah, let’s go back and look at that one that we made for default the first time around, and reuse it. So…
43 00:04:27.360 ⇒ 00:04:28.150 Mustafa Raja: Yeah.
44 00:04:28.150 ⇒ 00:04:30.890 Greg Stoutenburg: I’m fine with just putting together a new one.
45 00:04:31.290 ⇒ 00:04:36.079 Mustafa Raja: Yeah, I’m just checking if I can…
46 00:04:38.790 ⇒ 00:04:42.340 Mustafa Raja: Let’s… let me create a new one and see if I can import anything.
47 00:04:43.110 ⇒ 00:04:44.199 Mustafa Raja: Land project.
48 00:04:44.200 ⇒ 00:04:45.860 Greg Stoutenburg: Yeah, can you just make a duplicate?
49 00:04:46.410 ⇒ 00:04:57.019 Mustafa Raja: Yeah, north this… So there isn’t, there isn’t any option for that?
50 00:04:58.370 ⇒ 00:05:01.459 Mustafa Raja: Because any project can be used as a template.
51 00:05:01.590 ⇒ 00:05:05.049 Mustafa Raja: Based project, click on the duplicate icon.
52 00:05:05.440 ⇒ 00:05:07.689 Mustafa Raja: Located on the right toolbar.
53 00:05:07.690 ⇒ 00:05:09.720 Greg Stoutenburg: Debase project, okay.
54 00:05:09.720 ⇒ 00:05:12.629 Mustafa Raja: Ticket icon on the right toolbar, where’s that?
55 00:05:15.460 ⇒ 00:05:17.000 Mustafa Raja: Sky Toolbar.
56 00:05:17.510 ⇒ 00:05:20.800 Greg Stoutenburg: What if you… what if you, yeah, open the view you just had?
57 00:05:21.220 ⇒ 00:05:24.059 Greg Stoutenburg: Yeah, and what if you right-click on Product Analytics?
58 00:05:26.060 ⇒ 00:05:27.769 Greg Stoutenburg: Oh, that just opened it?
59 00:05:27.770 ⇒ 00:05:28.420 Mustafa Raja: Nope.
60 00:05:33.390 ⇒ 00:05:35.779 Mustafa Raja: Wait, let me read that again.
61 00:05:37.410 ⇒ 00:05:42.259 Mustafa Raja: To create a new project based on another one, open the base project, then click.
62 00:05:42.460 ⇒ 00:05:45.520 Mustafa Raja: Duplicate icon located in the right toolbar.
63 00:05:45.950 ⇒ 00:05:47.170 Greg Stoutenburg: There is no right toolbar.
64 00:05:47.170 ⇒ 00:05:49.400 Mustafa Raja: We have this view.
65 00:05:50.790 ⇒ 00:05:55.469 Mustafa Raja: Duplicate. Duplicate. This is interesting.
66 00:05:55.470 ⇒ 00:05:57.399 Greg Stoutenburg: I would call that the top, but okay.
67 00:05:58.260 ⇒ 00:05:59.440 Greg Stoutenburg: Oh, geez.
68 00:05:59.830 ⇒ 00:06:02.809 Greg Stoutenburg: Yeah, maybe just revise. Yeah, that’s good.
69 00:06:04.450 ⇒ 00:06:07.229 Greg Stoutenburg: I would say the new start date is last…
70 00:06:07.440 ⇒ 00:06:10.880 Greg Stoutenburg: I would say it’s Monday, two days ago, so the 26th.
71 00:06:12.050 ⇒ 00:06:20.359 Mustafa Raja: Yeah, let’s actually duplicate this, because… Like this, right?
72 00:06:21.410 ⇒ 00:06:26.929 Greg Stoutenburg: Yeah, so… alright, let’s see. So, so we’ve moved everything over,
73 00:06:29.520 ⇒ 00:06:37.299 Greg Stoutenburg: Now, let’s go up here, stakeholder Kickoff Workshops, events and user properties documentation. Take that, have that start on…
74 00:06:37.740 ⇒ 00:06:41.110 Greg Stoutenburg: Next Monday.
75 00:06:45.150 ⇒ 00:06:46.939 Mustafa Raja: Yeah, that’s… that’s okay.
76 00:06:47.360 ⇒ 00:06:49.350 Greg Stoutenburg: Yeah, start on February 2nd.
77 00:06:50.050 ⇒ 00:06:51.230 Mustafa Raja: Yeah, yeah.
78 00:06:51.800 ⇒ 00:06:53.320 Greg Stoutenburg: Yep, okay.
79 00:06:53.320 ⇒ 00:06:53.780 Mustafa Raja: Yeah.
80 00:06:53.780 ⇒ 00:06:58.139 Greg Stoutenburg: And then some properties documentation, and then that’s expected to go for a week, right?
81 00:06:58.940 ⇒ 00:07:01.269 Mustafa Raja: Oh, yeah, that’s expensive. Yeah, okay.
82 00:07:01.490 ⇒ 00:07:06.060 Greg Stoutenburg: Strategy design, tracking template… .
83 00:07:06.060 ⇒ 00:07:10.140 Mustafa Raja: Sorry if I’m cutting you off, I just want to understand this too.
84 00:07:10.360 ⇒ 00:07:14.600 Mustafa Raja: What’s… what’s really going to happen in data strategy and design?
85 00:07:15.840 ⇒ 00:07:27.590 Greg Stoutenburg: Yeah, so I think… well, the idea is that, the Figma… the Figma file is gonna give me what I need to do the events and user properties documentation, and then…
86 00:07:28.220 ⇒ 00:07:33.609 Greg Stoutenburg: Master Event Tracking Template is gonna be where I’m gonna record what all those events should be.
87 00:07:33.960 ⇒ 00:07:46.640 Greg Stoutenburg: Funnel definition discussions where… will be where we go, okay, now that we have this data, what do we want to map? Data strategy and design will be really more like the output of that, like, okay, now we’re gonna start
88 00:07:48.710 ⇒ 00:08:07.770 Greg Stoutenburg: doing some of the instrumenting. You know, hmm, I’m not sure if we actually need that to stay as a distinct step. Maybe just take off data strategy and design. Yeah, let’s just take that off. Now, now here, right here is where we have to think about the right way to represent the fact that we’re gonna do this iteratively.
89 00:08:07.770 ⇒ 00:08:08.800 Greg Stoutenburg: Because…
90 00:08:08.800 ⇒ 00:08:16.259 Greg Stoutenburg: They’re not gonna be giving us… you know, we’re making an assumption here, and the assumption is that by, like.
91 00:08:16.290 ⇒ 00:08:20.410 Greg Stoutenburg: mid-February, they’ll have some of Phoenix
92 00:08:20.510 ⇒ 00:08:25.030 Greg Stoutenburg: ready to go, that they can ship it, you know? Yeah.
93 00:08:25.700 ⇒ 00:08:28.650 Greg Stoutenburg: So I think maybe we just need to call out that assumption.
94 00:08:28.890 ⇒ 00:08:29.540 Mustafa Raja: Okay.
95 00:08:31.900 ⇒ 00:08:40.079 Mustafa Raja: So, so, from what I am understanding, the, whatever the product is standing right now, we are going to instrument,
96 00:08:40.190 ⇒ 00:08:49.760 Mustafa Raja: start instrumenting amplitude in that, and then we are going to instrument some of the steps again in the Phoenix. Is that correct?
97 00:08:50.070 ⇒ 00:08:58.380 Greg Stoutenburg: No, that’s not correct. We’re not going to instrument anything in the current product. We’re not going to instrument anything until Phoenix is stood up.
98 00:08:59.200 ⇒ 00:08:59.990 Mustafa Raja: Okay.
99 00:09:01.660 ⇒ 00:09:11.429 Greg Stoutenburg: So, that means that basically we can do lots of planning work right now, but we have to wait until their engineers ship Phoenix.
100 00:09:11.800 ⇒ 00:09:13.550 Mustafa Raja: What was the connection?
101 00:09:14.040 ⇒ 00:09:15.099 Greg Stoutenburg: What’s that?
102 00:09:15.100 ⇒ 00:09:17.919 Mustafa Raja: What’s the expected date? Was that mid-February?
103 00:09:18.310 ⇒ 00:09:24.909 Greg Stoutenburg: Yeah, they’ve been saying it’s gonna take a couple of weeks into February, so then I think what we do is we say,
104 00:09:25.280 ⇒ 00:09:28.799 Greg Stoutenburg: You know, that’s when… that’s when stuff can… can ship.
105 00:09:28.800 ⇒ 00:09:29.400 Mustafa Raja: So.
106 00:09:29.400 ⇒ 00:09:42.159 Greg Stoutenburg: So, so for the new… yeah, so maybe the way we try to do this is funnel definition discussions, sign off, Caitlin, Nandika, and then for the new Amplitude Analytics implementation.
107 00:09:42.510 ⇒ 00:09:52.730 Greg Stoutenburg: Shift it… I think just take the whole chunk and shift it until, like.
108 00:09:53.710 ⇒ 00:09:55.780 Greg Stoutenburg: Yeah, I guess, like, the 16th.
109 00:09:58.090 ⇒ 00:10:05.509 Mustafa Raja: Or we could still, create this one, even when… you know, Phoenix isn’t really.
110 00:10:05.510 ⇒ 00:10:20.079 Greg Stoutenburg: Yeah, yeah, actually, yeah, so the Amplitude organization setup, that’s something Nandica can actually do any day, but there’s no point in asking them to do it until we’re ready to instrument something. Otherwise, we’re just asking them to start paying for a subscription that they’re not using.
111 00:10:20.080 ⇒ 00:10:20.860 Mustafa Raja: Oh, yeah.
112 00:10:20.860 ⇒ 00:10:25.210 Greg Stoutenburg: So, let’s move Amplitude org setup.
113 00:10:25.650 ⇒ 00:10:32.709 Greg Stoutenburg: Yeah, no, it should stay there. We’re not realistically gonna be able to do that until they…
114 00:10:32.870 ⇒ 00:10:36.490 Greg Stoutenburg: Until a little further back. Now, alright, let’s go to the right a little bit.
115 00:10:37.760 ⇒ 00:10:44.300 Greg Stoutenburg: Amplitude, property tracking, testing, event tracking, activation analysis, and reporting.
116 00:10:44.550 ⇒ 00:10:47.280 Greg Stoutenburg: Starts a week in user retention.
117 00:10:48.690 ⇒ 00:10:54.690 Greg Stoutenburg: Yeah, we’re doing that iteratively, product journey dashboard… Executive dashboard, ad hoc.
118 00:10:56.480 ⇒ 00:10:57.520 Greg Stoutenburg: Alright.
119 00:10:59.130 ⇒ 00:11:03.450 Mustafa Raja: I heard some, some speculations on data integration pipelines.
120 00:11:04.100 ⇒ 00:11:04.920 Greg Stoutenburg: Okay.
121 00:11:06.510 ⇒ 00:11:14.989 Mustafa Raja: I think they said that we weren’t… we decided that we weren’t going to push any data back to Amplitude. What do you think about that?
122 00:11:15.440 ⇒ 00:11:20.969 Greg Stoutenburg: Oh, yeah, so one of the things I said is that amplitude will be,
123 00:11:21.420 ⇒ 00:11:28.980 Greg Stoutenburg: won’t be a destination for other data. Yeah. So, like, they’re gonna use Omni And we’ll send…
124 00:11:29.120 ⇒ 00:11:38.210 Greg Stoutenburg: some data from Amplitude to Omni, but we won’t be sending data from Omni to Amplitude, so it’ll just be used for… strictly for product analytics.
125 00:11:38.550 ⇒ 00:11:41.680 Mustafa Raja: So, I should remove this particular thing.
126 00:11:41.680 ⇒ 00:11:48.610 Greg Stoutenburg: Yeah, that’s a good idea. Okay, yeah, because we want to clarify that we’re… we’re just… Amplitude is just receiving data.
127 00:11:49.130 ⇒ 00:11:51.609 Greg Stoutenburg: Okay, let’s move to the right.
128 00:11:58.410 ⇒ 00:12:02.480 Greg Stoutenburg: Yeah, let me… let me remind myself what they said they…
129 00:12:03.680 ⇒ 00:12:06.479 Greg Stoutenburg: Want to see as far as when things are finished.
130 00:12:09.380 ⇒ 00:12:11.219 Mustafa Raja: Should I, pull up SOW?
131 00:12:12.340 ⇒ 00:12:13.620 Greg Stoutenburg: Yeah, can you pull it up?
132 00:12:14.100 ⇒ 00:12:14.770 Mustafa Raja: Yep.
133 00:12:54.190 ⇒ 00:12:55.919 Mustafa Raja: Arts and dashboards…
134 00:12:55.920 ⇒ 00:12:57.730 Greg Stoutenburg: Yeah, we’re looking for a date there.
135 00:12:58.900 ⇒ 00:13:00.120 Mustafa Raja: Sorry, where?
136 00:13:01.140 ⇒ 00:13:04.670 Greg Stoutenburg: looking for a date when we said things would be done, so let’s go down to…
137 00:13:04.670 ⇒ 00:13:06.259 Mustafa Raja: Oh, yeah, yeah.
138 00:13:06.260 ⇒ 00:13:10.100 Greg Stoutenburg: milestones. Oh, no, you’re right, go back to the SOW, but go to milestones.
139 00:13:11.220 ⇒ 00:13:12.169 Mustafa Raja: Thank you.
140 00:13:13.850 ⇒ 00:13:17.349 Greg Stoutenburg: Alright, dashboard completion by May. So we’re still on target for May.
141 00:13:18.400 ⇒ 00:13:20.409 Mustafa Raja: We are… yeah.
142 00:13:20.890 ⇒ 00:13:21.530 Greg Stoutenburg: Yeah.
143 00:13:22.920 ⇒ 00:13:23.770 Greg Stoutenburg: Yeah.
144 00:13:24.160 ⇒ 00:13:26.809 Mustafa Raja: Do you think this is ambitious, or is this good?
145 00:13:27.480 ⇒ 00:13:32.260 Greg Stoutenburg: I think it’s good, as long as they give us Figma, and they don’t take, like…
146 00:13:32.760 ⇒ 00:13:36.129 Greg Stoutenburg: The thing is, we can’t instrument anything.
147 00:13:36.310 ⇒ 00:13:40.730 Greg Stoutenburg: Until Phoenix is ready to be published. So…
148 00:13:41.630 ⇒ 00:13:51.740 Greg Stoutenburg: that’s… that’s the main blocker here. Well, that, and I need Nandica to give me their Figma. So, if we can get that, I think we’ll be fine. But,
149 00:13:51.960 ⇒ 00:13:54.020 Greg Stoutenburg: It really does depend on that.
150 00:13:54.200 ⇒ 00:13:54.900 Mustafa Raja: Yeah.
151 00:13:55.250 ⇒ 00:13:56.150 Mustafa Raja: Yeah.
152 00:13:56.480 ⇒ 00:14:00.879 Mustafa Raja: This whole thing will suffer if, the deadline improves, right?
153 00:14:01.290 ⇒ 00:14:05.290 Greg Stoutenburg: Exactly. There’s a big if, and… and… and when…
154 00:14:05.470 ⇒ 00:14:08.029 Greg Stoutenburg: when I talk to them tomorrow,
155 00:14:08.990 ⇒ 00:14:10.989 Greg Stoutenburg: I think you should be on that call, right?
156 00:14:12.270 ⇒ 00:14:17.239 Mustafa Raja: I should be, and I’m going to ping, Demil Nade, so he can.
157 00:14:17.240 ⇒ 00:14:26.019 Greg Stoutenburg: Yeah. Okay, good, yeah. So, can you present this tomorrow? I mean, we’ll talk through it together with them, but can you present this tomorrow and say that we revised it?
158 00:14:26.110 ⇒ 00:14:27.300 Mustafa Raja: Yeah. And…
159 00:14:27.300 ⇒ 00:14:35.869 Greg Stoutenburg: And we’ll just really emphasize, like, hey, we made a new assumption. The new assumption is that you’ve got at least start of this rolled out in mid-February.
160 00:14:36.050 ⇒ 00:14:40.890 Greg Stoutenburg: So that we can start getting events going into amplitude.
161 00:14:40.890 ⇒ 00:14:41.480 Mustafa Raja: Yeah.
162 00:14:43.100 ⇒ 00:14:51.540 Mustafa Raja: Yeah. Okay, now let’s talk about how much ours each of this is going to take, since this is something that they want to see.
163 00:14:52.270 ⇒ 00:14:57.720 Mustafa Raja: So how… Yeah. So, we had an hour… an hour of call with them.
164 00:14:57.840 ⇒ 00:15:04.850 Mustafa Raja: For this workshop, so that’s good. And then, for events and user property documentation.
165 00:15:05.400 ⇒ 00:15:07.799 Mustafa Raja: How much reckon this is going to take?
166 00:15:07.800 ⇒ 00:15:10.490 Greg Stoutenburg: Let’s, oh, it’s how many hours?
167 00:15:10.490 ⇒ 00:15:11.359 Mustafa Raja: Yeah, yeah, how many.
168 00:15:11.360 ⇒ 00:15:17.910 Greg Stoutenburg: That’s tough. I mean, I just have to estimate. I’m just gonna say… I’m gonna say 5.
169 00:15:18.740 ⇒ 00:15:19.350 Mustafa Raja: Okay.
170 00:15:19.840 ⇒ 00:15:26.839 Greg Stoutenburg: I don’t really know. Let’s hear, say, another…
171 00:15:26.990 ⇒ 00:15:30.260 Greg Stoutenburg: Actually, go back, go back, make the first one 3.
172 00:15:31.810 ⇒ 00:15:34.740 Greg Stoutenburg: Make tracking template, make that 5.
173 00:15:38.500 ⇒ 00:15:46.249 Greg Stoutenburg: Funnel definition discussions, make that, let’s say that’s, like, 2…
174 00:15:47.730 ⇒ 00:15:48.380 Mustafa Raja: No.
175 00:15:48.380 ⇒ 00:15:52.090 Greg Stoutenburg: And then leave that, yeah, that’s them, so they’ll leave that.
176 00:15:52.090 ⇒ 00:15:55.759 Mustafa Raja: I believe it’s going to be a meeting, right, between you and them?
177 00:15:57.010 ⇒ 00:16:02.019 Greg Stoutenburg: Yeah, I think that’s, like, one call, where it’s, like, an overview, and it’s like, what do you guys think?
178 00:16:02.410 ⇒ 00:16:05.330 Mustafa Raja: Yeah. So, half an hour for that call.
179 00:16:05.330 ⇒ 00:16:07.019 Greg Stoutenburg: Yeah, that sounds fine, yeah.
180 00:16:07.700 ⇒ 00:16:10.680 Mustafa Raja: This, I think, would be NR or something, right?
181 00:16:11.640 ⇒ 00:16:16.809 Greg Stoutenburg: This is tough, because that’s a mix of work from me and Nandica.
182 00:16:17.040 ⇒ 00:16:21.060 Greg Stoutenburg: Did they ask for numbers of hours and all these things?
183 00:16:21.220 ⇒ 00:16:22.469 Mustafa Raja: Yeah, they did.
184 00:16:23.370 ⇒ 00:16:25.189 Greg Stoutenburg: Now, when did they ask for that?
185 00:16:25.340 ⇒ 00:16:28.640 Mustafa Raja: They, in the last meeting,
186 00:16:29.200 ⇒ 00:16:31.179 Mustafa Raja: That we had in the workshop.
187 00:16:31.990 ⇒ 00:16:35.920 Greg Stoutenburg: Hmm. I thought they just wanted to know, like, how many weeks it was going to take.
188 00:16:36.060 ⇒ 00:16:39.810 Mustafa Raja: They also need how many hours each of this is going to take.
189 00:16:40.220 ⇒ 00:16:41.090 Greg Stoutenburg: Okay.
190 00:16:41.090 ⇒ 00:16:44.609 Mustafa Raja: Yeah, I think, because we bill hourly, or something.
191 00:16:45.090 ⇒ 00:16:45.930 Greg Stoutenburg: Yeah.
192 00:16:46.440 ⇒ 00:16:48.940 Greg Stoutenburg: So basically, they want an estimate in advance.
193 00:16:48.940 ⇒ 00:16:49.580 Mustafa Raja: Hmm…
194 00:16:50.600 ⇒ 00:16:58.019 Greg Stoutenburg: Huh, okay. I’m not sure I’m actually really able to say how many hours all those are gonna take. This is my first time doing one of these from 0 to 1.
195 00:16:58.670 ⇒ 00:17:01.789 Greg Stoutenburg: So maybe we’ll ask you, Tom, for help.
196 00:17:02.930 ⇒ 00:17:03.590 Mustafa Raja: Okay.
197 00:17:07.089 ⇒ 00:17:07.719 Greg Stoutenburg: Yeah.
198 00:17:08.249 ⇒ 00:17:10.179 Greg Stoutenburg: Yeah, I’m not sure I can do better than that right now.
199 00:17:11.960 ⇒ 00:17:12.690 Mustafa Raja: Okay.
200 00:17:13.040 ⇒ 00:17:13.609 Greg Stoutenburg: Yeah.
201 00:17:13.859 ⇒ 00:17:20.539 Mustafa Raja: I guess I’ll, do you think, having Robert here would help? Or, should I just set it up.
202 00:17:20.540 ⇒ 00:17:23.120 Greg Stoutenburg: Oh yeah, definitely, he’s the expert on this stuff.
203 00:17:23.400 ⇒ 00:17:25.369 Greg Stoutenburg: On these… on these stand-ups for these.
204 00:17:25.730 ⇒ 00:17:31.579 Mustafa Raja: Okay, then maybe I’ll, I’ll do a 15-minute sync with him and… Get something out.
205 00:17:32.110 ⇒ 00:17:33.729 Greg Stoutenburg: Yeah, that sounds good.
206 00:17:35.260 ⇒ 00:17:39.550 Greg Stoutenburg: Cool. Other than that, it looks good to me.
207 00:17:40.080 ⇒ 00:17:43.709 Greg Stoutenburg: I believe Robert saw this and weighed in on it previously.
208 00:17:44.190 ⇒ 00:17:45.419 Mustafa Raja: Yeah, yeah, he did.
209 00:17:45.630 ⇒ 00:17:46.500 Greg Stoutenburg: So, yeah.
210 00:17:46.610 ⇒ 00:17:49.790 Mustafa Raja: Yeah, this structure, really is good.
211 00:17:51.280 ⇒ 00:17:54.260 Mustafa Raja: I just need to get, get some RDS news. That’s all.
212 00:17:54.260 ⇒ 00:17:56.490 Greg Stoutenburg: Yeah, yeah Okay.
213 00:17:57.970 ⇒ 00:18:06.739 Mustafa Raja: So yeah, so the plan is, once, once we have Phoenix, we will start instrumentation, and then before that, we’ll be planning everything.
214 00:18:07.450 ⇒ 00:18:15.330 Greg Stoutenburg: Yeah, that sounds good. And, and I know he’s done this kind of thing Many times, but…
215 00:18:15.610 ⇒ 00:18:25.570 Greg Stoutenburg: if he’s got, like, a master list of resources on this kind of thing, I don’t have access to it, so if he, you know, if he happens to say something like, oh yeah, there’s an example of this.
216 00:18:25.980 ⇒ 00:18:31.369 Greg Stoutenburg: And points to a source, then let’s just collect that, and keep it and reference it.
217 00:18:31.840 ⇒ 00:18:32.520 Mustafa Raja: Okay.
218 00:18:34.440 ⇒ 00:18:35.080 Greg Stoutenburg: Cool.
219 00:18:35.400 ⇒ 00:18:36.020 Mustafa Raja: Okay.
220 00:18:36.460 ⇒ 00:18:37.720 Greg Stoutenburg: Alright, sound good?
221 00:18:37.900 ⇒ 00:18:38.530 Mustafa Raja: Yep.
222 00:18:38.590 ⇒ 00:18:41.000 Greg Stoutenburg: Alright, I think this looks good. Alright, see ya.
223 00:18:41.250 ⇒ 00:18:41.860 Mustafa Raja: Bye.
224 00:18:42.030 ⇒ 00:18:42.560 Greg Stoutenburg: Right.