Meeting Title: Brainforge x Default Project Sync Date: 2025-09-03 Meeting participants: Uttam Kumaran, Mustafa Raja, Henry Zhao, Shreya Chowdhury


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1 00:01:19.350 00:01:20.660 Uttam Kumaran: Hello?

2 00:01:21.370 00:01:22.680 Mustafa Raja: Hey, how are you?

3 00:01:23.530 00:01:24.899 Uttam Kumaran: Hey, I’m good.

4 00:01:25.500 00:01:26.920 Mustafa Raja: How’s the week been?

5 00:01:28.700 00:01:37.929 Uttam Kumaran: Week has actually been good, dude. I… this is the first day in a long time I’ve had so much free time, so I’m just getting stuff done, it’s great.

6 00:01:37.930 00:01:42.759 Mustafa Raja: Yeah. Yeah, I saw that you said that you posted a few PRs.

7 00:01:43.030 00:01:44.289 Mustafa Raja: Oh, for the darn.

8 00:01:44.290 00:01:50.459 Uttam Kumaran: I told you, I said, I’m gonna make some of that happen. Nobody’s merged them, though, so my next question’s gonna be, what’s the.

9 00:01:50.460 00:01:50.860 Mustafa Raja: Yeah.

10 00:01:50.870 00:01:52.279 Uttam Kumaran: Other than waiting for it.

11 00:01:52.350 00:01:53.380 Mustafa Raja: Yeah.

12 00:01:53.430 00:01:55.909 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, I’m looking on.

13 00:01:55.910 00:01:58.199 Mustafa Raja: The default thing that we have.

14 00:01:58.750 00:01:59.590 Uttam Kumaran: Okay.

15 00:01:59.590 00:02:04.459 Mustafa Raja: Hopefully, half the combos are going to be done, to be honest.

16 00:02:04.990 00:02:05.890 Uttam Kumaran: Okay.

17 00:02:05.890 00:02:09.530 Mustafa Raja: week, so… I guess this is good progress.

18 00:02:09.990 00:02:10.710 Uttam Kumaran: Cool.

19 00:02:13.860 00:02:17.689 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, I’m just… I’m down to just hang out, do whatever.

20 00:02:18.260 00:02:19.370 Uttam Kumaran: Just gonna remove some stuff.

21 00:02:19.740 00:02:20.630 Uttam Kumaran: sales, and…

22 00:02:20.910 00:02:24.620 Mustafa Raja: Yeah, I sometimes… I sometimes get bored.

23 00:02:24.730 00:02:26.480 Mustafa Raja: Working alone, you know?

24 00:02:26.700 00:02:33.599 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, so, like, we could just hang in here, you could talk, or nod, or whatever. I’ll… I’ll share my screen so you could… you could see my…

25 00:02:35.700 00:02:36.310 Mustafa Raja: Okay.

26 00:02:38.560 00:02:41.600 Uttam Kumaran: I’m trying to work on these slides for Hannah right now.

27 00:02:43.730 00:02:45.900 Mustafa Raja: Oh, hope, how was the interlude thing?

28 00:02:46.270 00:02:53.030 Mustafa Raja: Good! Yeah, he wants to continue. I also said… I also am gonna… we’re gonna get another person to work with, so we’ll have some more feedback.

29 00:02:53.330 00:03:00.870 Uttam Kumaran: He has two things, like, one, to update the amount of inputs, and second.

30 00:03:01.270 00:03:04.850 Uttam Kumaran: He definitely wants the formatting stuff.

31 00:03:05.140 00:03:13.420 Uttam Kumaran: So, maybe what we should do is we should send it to something else, and then have it write to Notion, maybe, I don’t know.

32 00:03:15.590 00:03:17.040 Mustafa Raja: For the headings.

33 00:03:17.930 00:03:18.650 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah.

34 00:03:20.330 00:03:29.359 Mustafa Raja: For the headings, we can just add hashtags, that… if you want to stay within Slack, I don’t know if… if you want to stay with… stay within Slack, though.

35 00:03:30.040 00:03:31.549 Mustafa Raja: Do we want to stay within Slack?

36 00:03:32.040 00:03:34.409 Uttam Kumaran: He wants to stay within Slack for now, yeah.

37 00:03:35.110 00:03:41.279 Mustafa Raja: Okay, then, I guess if we just add hashtags…

38 00:03:42.070 00:03:45.549 Mustafa Raja: For the things that we… that are going to be headings.

39 00:03:46.400 00:03:49.420 Mustafa Raja: I don’t think it’s going to matter much.

40 00:03:53.700 00:03:56.140 Mustafa Raja: But it’s going to get the job done.

41 00:03:56.920 00:03:58.210 Mustafa Raja: for formatting.

42 00:04:02.370 00:04:07.390 Uttam Kumaran: I think he does… yeah, either way, I think he wants it to end up in Notion with the formatting.

43 00:04:07.860 00:04:14.879 Mustafa Raja: Yeah. Yeah, we were getting it with the proper formatting, it’s just that Slack doesn’t… Slack has some…

44 00:04:14.880 00:04:17.670 Uttam Kumaran: But you can have it be as a final step, right? Like…

45 00:04:17.670 00:04:18.190 Mustafa Raja: Yeah, yeah.

46 00:04:18.190 00:04:19.690 Uttam Kumaran: You can have Slack come in.

47 00:04:20.040 00:04:24.150 Uttam Kumaran: Straight text, and then once you move it… once it gets approved, finally, you can do it.

48 00:04:24.680 00:04:25.420 Mustafa Raja: Yeah.

49 00:05:10.310 00:05:11.479 Uttam Kumaran: You are sports.

50 00:05:13.000 00:05:17.100 Mustafa Raja: Oh, mostly cricket only. Do you watch cricket, though?

51 00:05:17.720 00:05:19.749 Uttam Kumaran: No, I don’t watch much cricket.

52 00:05:22.280 00:05:24.589 Mustafa Raja: Yeah, US isn’t in cricket right now.

53 00:05:27.340 00:05:29.209 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, I’m into basketball.

54 00:05:30.060 00:05:33.800 Mustafa Raja: Oh, oh yeah, I saw, I saw the…

55 00:05:38.120 00:05:42.590 Mustafa Raja: your Discord profile picture is… Kobe Bryant, right?

56 00:05:42.590 00:05:43.929 Uttam Kumaran: Oh, yeah, yeah.

57 00:10:00.960 00:10:04.880 Mustafa Raja: So, for interlude, when are we continuing starting to work on it?

58 00:10:05.660 00:10:09.960 Uttam Kumaran: We can start anytime. I’m gonna get it signed this week, though, but yeah, we can start anytime.

59 00:10:10.890 00:10:11.710 Mustafa Raja: Okay.

60 00:11:07.500 00:11:10.239 Mustafa Raja: Oh yeah, one thing that I worked on…

61 00:11:10.440 00:11:13.929 Mustafa Raja: We really didn’t get to talk about it. Oh, yeah.

62 00:11:15.070 00:11:22.839 Mustafa Raja: So, for files that bring first with AI, we saw that, Cloudflare doesn’t allow us more than…

63 00:11:23.840 00:11:28.999 Mustafa Raja: I haven’t… 25 MBs, right? So I,

64 00:11:29.790 00:11:38.629 Mustafa Raja: I just removed Cloudflare, and we now are serving our files, via our server.

65 00:11:38.950 00:11:40.189 Mustafa Raja: That’s an hero.

66 00:11:42.000 00:11:42.840 Uttam Kumaran: Okay.

67 00:11:43.300 00:11:49.430 Mustafa Raja: Yeah. So, Cloudflare agent… Part of… part of the architecture anymore.

68 00:11:49.860 00:11:51.519 Uttam Kumaran: Oh, really? Great, okay.

69 00:11:53.050 00:11:55.220 Uttam Kumaran: But it’s still the same URLs and things.

70 00:11:55.570 00:11:57.599 Mustafa Raja: Yeah, everything is the same.

71 00:11:58.030 00:12:00.820 Uttam Kumaran: Oh, interesting, okay. What was the decision behind that?

72 00:12:01.690 00:12:04.730 Mustafa Raja: Because,

73 00:12:06.990 00:12:17.859 Mustafa Raja: The other thing that we would have to do is to transfer things to Cloudflare R2.

74 00:12:18.510 00:12:35.369 Mustafa Raja: Which is… which is going to be the same thing, but it’s going to allow us 1GB of transfer, but we would have… so it’s actually a storage. Cloudflare R2 is a storage, so we’ll have to move our files from GitHub to there.

75 00:12:35.660 00:12:42.709 Mustafa Raja: Okay. That would mean we lose our integration that we have built, in internal platform.

76 00:12:46.580 00:12:47.880 Uttam Kumaran: Oh, okay.

77 00:12:47.880 00:12:49.609 Mustafa Raja: Yeah, so I didn’t want to do that.

78 00:12:50.010 00:12:50.610 Uttam Kumaran: Okay.

79 00:12:50.880 00:12:58.729 Mustafa Raja: Or, not until we have a discussion about, about it, if we want to do that or not, for future.

80 00:12:58.890 00:13:01.660 Mustafa Raja: Yeah, but I think, I think we’re good.

81 00:13:01.880 00:13:11.490 Mustafa Raja: For now, till we… till… until we reach 100MBs, because that’s when… that’s when GitHub is going to block us.

82 00:13:11.920 00:13:12.800 Uttam Kumaran: Okay, okay.

83 00:13:14.830 00:13:20.140 Mustafa Raja: So until we… until we hit 100MBs on a file, we’re good.

84 00:13:28.890 00:13:30.290 Uttam Kumaran: Okay, that makes sense.

85 00:22:37.170 00:22:39.190 Uttam Kumaran: Look at this meme that we’re gonna post.

86 00:22:45.900 00:22:47.070 Mustafa Raja: And this one’s good.

87 00:22:47.410 00:22:49.490 Uttam Kumaran: You think it’s good?

88 00:22:49.760 00:22:53.829 Mustafa Raja: Yeah, I think, to be honest, it’s really true also, no?

89 00:22:54.360 00:22:55.130 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah.

90 00:22:55.990 00:22:56.820 Mustafa Raja: Yeah.

91 00:22:58.930 00:23:07.640 Mustafa Raja: I mean, for example, if we were to take in the linear thing that we have, no.

92 00:23:07.640 00:23:11.090 Uttam Kumaran: No, I know, we… everything we’ve been doing is a data problem, dude.

93 00:23:11.090 00:23:13.499 Mustafa Raja: Yeah, yeah, I think…

94 00:23:13.500 00:23:14.150 Uttam Kumaran: Crazy, right?

95 00:23:14.150 00:23:20.269 Mustafa Raja: I think AI engineers are just somewhat of data engineers, too.

96 00:23:24.950 00:23:27.140 Mustafa Raja: Understanding the data is really important.

97 00:23:29.170 00:23:30.870 Mustafa Raja: for the AI agents to work.

98 00:23:32.140 00:23:32.990 Mustafa Raja: I think.

99 00:23:45.430 00:23:50.610 Mustafa Raja: who found this… this meme? Or did…

100 00:23:50.610 00:23:51.180 Uttam Kumaran: Brian did.

101 00:23:51.180 00:23:51.910 Mustafa Raja: didn’t…

102 00:23:51.910 00:23:54.839 Uttam Kumaran: No, but yeah, Ryan… oh, maybe he created it, I don’t know.

103 00:23:55.800 00:23:56.970 Uttam Kumaran: That’s funny, though.

104 00:27:43.350 00:27:46.860 Uttam Kumaran: You don’t watch YouTube or listen to any music while you’re working?

105 00:27:48.610 00:27:51.509 Mustafa Raja: I, I get distracted, to be honest.

106 00:27:52.840 00:27:55.190 Uttam Kumaran: I have to be. I have to listen to something.

107 00:27:56.760 00:28:04.830 Mustafa Raja: I don’t know, maybe, maybe, maybe I’ve never really… tried it, I guess?

108 00:28:05.300 00:28:05.710 Uttam Kumaran: Really?

109 00:28:05.710 00:28:11.480 Mustafa Raja: Yeah, but a few times I did, but I just get distracted, and…

110 00:28:12.690 00:28:15.150 Mustafa Raja: Yeah, it doesn’t really work for me, to be honest.

111 00:28:19.060 00:28:23.940 Mustafa Raja: Maybe I need to give it a… give it a go again. It’s been so long since I…

112 00:28:24.230 00:28:31.349 Mustafa Raja: I used to do it… I used to try it, to be honest with my… when I used to study, and it didn’t really work for me.

113 00:28:32.080 00:28:37.819 Mustafa Raja: Because I have heard from other people, too, that it really helps, but… They didn’t.

114 00:28:37.820 00:28:43.819 Uttam Kumaran: My whole life, I’ve been listening to music, or YouTube, or something, so, like, it’s so… I need it.

115 00:28:44.680 00:28:45.170 Uttam Kumaran: I love it.

116 00:28:45.170 00:28:45.690 Mustafa Raja: I do…

117 00:28:45.690 00:28:50.690 Uttam Kumaran: I like doing… I need to do multiple things at the same time, like, otherwise I get… my mind starts to drift.

118 00:28:51.550 00:28:55.270 Mustafa Raja: Yeah, it’s really opposite for me, to be honest.

119 00:28:57.760 00:29:02.609 Mustafa Raja: I drift away when I… when I have something else playing in my ears.

120 00:29:10.180 00:29:11.770 Mustafa Raja: Or maybe I need to try it again.

121 00:29:14.200 00:29:16.450 Mustafa Raja: Maybe it works for me, I don’t know.

122 00:29:19.800 00:29:20.740 Mustafa Raja: Okay.

123 00:30:31.370 00:30:35.329 Mustafa Raja: Oh, I do YouTube while I eat, though.

124 00:30:36.170 00:30:37.370 Uttam Kumaran: Oh my god, same.

125 00:30:37.780 00:30:42.059 Mustafa Raja: Yeah, I feel I’m wasting my time if I don’t do that.

126 00:30:42.610 00:30:47.040 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, I know, I could be consuming something.

127 00:30:47.040 00:30:53.859 Mustafa Raja: Yeah, I need to do… I need to, else I’m… I’m wasting it. Wasting the food and wasting the time.

128 00:30:54.330 00:30:55.300 Uttam Kumaran: That’s funny.

129 00:31:00.520 00:31:05.580 Mustafa Raja: There’s this YouTube channel, Fire Something… let me see…

130 00:31:10.570 00:31:12.740 Mustafa Raja: Oh, your ship, yeah, 5 ship.

131 00:31:13.820 00:31:16.580 Mustafa Raja: This guy uploads really good videos.

132 00:31:17.860 00:31:19.230 Mustafa Raja: Have you listened to him?

133 00:31:22.470 00:31:23.930 Uttam Kumaran: Boo.

134 00:31:24.300 00:31:25.230 Mustafa Raja: Fireship.

135 00:31:25.700 00:31:26.510 Uttam Kumaran: No.

136 00:31:27.370 00:31:30.410 Mustafa Raja: You must have, so… he’s really popular.

137 00:31:31.030 00:31:32.120 Uttam Kumaran: Buyership?

138 00:31:32.460 00:31:34.750 Mustafa Raja: Yeah, search Fireship on YouTube.

139 00:31:38.690 00:31:41.220 Uttam Kumaran: Oh, like AI videos? No, I… but I…

140 00:31:41.430 00:31:48.379 Uttam Kumaran: I listened to some other folks on this topic. The problem is, like, I… I… the other one you may like.

141 00:31:48.500 00:31:51.430 Uttam Kumaran: Is this guy? Two Minute Papers? Have you seen that?

142 00:31:52.000 00:31:53.260 Mustafa Raja: Nope, let me…

143 00:31:53.260 00:31:55.030 Uttam Kumaran: This guy’s good, dude.

144 00:31:55.760 00:31:58.909 Mustafa Raja: You need to look into, fire ship, though.

145 00:31:59.300 00:32:00.320 Mustafa Raja: Are you love me.

146 00:32:00.320 00:32:00.870 Uttam Kumaran: event.

147 00:32:02.890 00:32:06.660 Mustafa Raja: Try a few videos, and… Let me know how it goes.

148 00:32:06.860 00:32:07.540 Uttam Kumaran: Okay.

149 00:32:07.900 00:32:11.260 Mustafa Raja: And he’s always on top of the latest news, too.

150 00:32:11.410 00:32:12.569 Uttam Kumaran: Oh, okay, okay.

151 00:32:12.570 00:32:15.520 Mustafa Raja: So it really helps keep up with the technology.

152 00:32:26.860 00:32:30.099 Mustafa Raja: And he really has, humor.

153 00:32:30.210 00:32:31.610 Mustafa Raja: Human in it.

154 00:32:31.860 00:32:33.180 Mustafa Raja: It’s that, too.

155 00:33:08.660 00:33:14.310 Mustafa Raja: I’ve been doing lookups, VLOOKUPs, on the clay table thing that we are doing.

156 00:33:15.170 00:33:16.369 Uttam Kumaran: Oh, nice, okay.

157 00:33:16.960 00:33:20.579 Mustafa Raja: Yeah, so it’s now based on signals.

158 00:33:21.180 00:33:22.760 Mustafa Raja: Rather than…

159 00:33:26.650 00:33:27.740 Mustafa Raja: compost.

160 00:33:32.090 00:33:39.180 Uttam Kumaran: Also, I just got access from… from,

161 00:33:40.390 00:33:43.539 Uttam Kumaran: from Caitlin to a bunch of different things.

162 00:33:44.370 00:33:46.580 Uttam Kumaran: That we can use, so…

163 00:33:52.400 00:33:53.440 Uttam Kumaran: These.

164 00:33:53.830 00:33:55.530 Uttam Kumaran: I’ll send it to you on the channel.

165 00:33:58.640 00:33:59.819 Mustafa Raja: In default channel.

166 00:34:00.230 00:34:01.090 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah.

167 00:34:14.290 00:34:18.119 Uttam Kumaran: So, they already have these purchased, so we can use this if we want.

168 00:34:19.360 00:34:19.940 Mustafa Raja: Oh.

169 00:34:19.940 00:34:24.569 Uttam Kumaran: Love search, people search… I’ll be dishwash.

170 00:34:26.860 00:34:28.250 Mustafa Raja: Yeah, Polo.

171 00:34:31.670 00:34:38.340 Mustafa Raja: Yeah, for job search, we might want to do this. People search, I guess, we really have it down.

172 00:34:39.000 00:34:44.099 Mustafa Raja: And we really don’t need company search, because they are giving us the companies, right?

173 00:34:45.780 00:34:47.359 Mustafa Raja: With this, with this…

174 00:34:47.360 00:34:50.310 Uttam Kumaran: But I guess, like, what are we using for enrichment otherwise?

175 00:34:51.300 00:34:56.809 Mustafa Raja: So for the people search, it’s something native to Clay.

176 00:34:57.050 00:35:02.530 Mustafa Raja: People search… by people, I mean the, employees in a company.

177 00:35:04.160 00:35:09.979 Mustafa Raja: For job, it’s, it’s a clay agent that crawls through the website.

178 00:35:10.140 00:35:14.190 Mustafa Raja: Looks for the openings, recent openings that they have.

179 00:35:16.360 00:35:18.360 Mustafa Raja: Yeah, and company says we don’t need that.

180 00:35:18.920 00:35:23.040 Mustafa Raja: Because we are getting the companies from their sales force.

181 00:35:24.280 00:35:34.559 Mustafa Raja: At least for… till now, we really don’t have any… any signal that we need more companies for, or… or any… any signal that… that would need that.

182 00:35:35.330 00:35:39.419 Mustafa Raja: But, this is helpful, maybe, maybe…

183 00:35:39.940 00:35:43.750 Mustafa Raja: for the coming signals, I might need to use any of these.

184 00:35:44.730 00:35:46.010 Mustafa Raja: This is helpful.

185 00:35:54.000 00:35:55.749 Uttam Kumaran: We’re not using Apollo, are we?

186 00:35:56.460 00:35:57.080 Mustafa Raja: Nope.

187 00:35:57.840 00:35:58.510 Uttam Kumaran: Okay.

188 00:36:00.390 00:36:02.900 Mustafa Raja: Apollo, as in in our clay instance, right?

189 00:36:02.900 00:36:03.640 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah.

190 00:36:03.940 00:36:04.540 Mustafa Raja: Nope.

191 00:36:06.120 00:36:10.380 Mustafa Raja: I thought of it, but then I… then we really didn’t need it, so…

192 00:48:40.640 00:48:42.809 Mustafa Raja: What type of music do you listen to?

193 00:48:45.770 00:48:48.499 Mustafa Raja: What type of music do you listen to, mostly?

194 00:48:49.910 00:48:54.580 Uttam Kumaran: I listen to hip-hop and electronic music.

195 00:48:55.020 00:48:55.830 Uttam Kumaran: Slate.

196 00:48:55.830 00:48:56.510 Mustafa Raja: Huh.

197 00:48:59.420 00:49:01.379 Mustafa Raja: I listened to something soft.

198 00:49:02.320 00:49:03.160 Uttam Kumaran: Oh, yeah?

199 00:49:03.580 00:49:06.789 Mustafa Raja: Yeah, electronic is somewhat metal, right?

200 00:49:08.530 00:49:11.279 Uttam Kumaran: Not really.

201 00:49:12.710 00:49:16.139 Mustafa Raja: Yeah, I guess I don’t really know about electronic funds.

202 00:49:16.640 00:49:18.720 Uttam Kumaran: It’s, like, house music.

203 00:49:19.950 00:49:23.410 Mustafa Raja: Any singers that maybe I, maybe I know them.

204 00:49:23.840 00:49:25.650 Uttam Kumaran: Like Avicii? Do you know Avicii?

205 00:49:26.240 00:49:27.850 Mustafa Raja: Nope.

206 00:49:27.850 00:49:30.430 Uttam Kumaran: Wow, you gotta tell them.

207 00:52:41.710 00:52:47.020 Mustafa Raja: For their stack, we’re still using our Keene default.

208 00:52:50.870 00:52:56.139 Mustafa Raja: For this stack, we are still using our key.

209 00:52:57.130 00:52:59.489 Uttam Kumaran: Okay, let’s fine.

210 00:54:16.700 00:54:18.380 Uttam Kumaran: One sec, I’ll be right back.

211 00:54:18.860 00:54:19.430 Mustafa Raja: Yep.

212 01:10:36.810 01:10:41.820 Mustafa Raja: Can I share my screen? I have a… Question.

213 01:10:42.710 01:10:43.410 Uttam Kumaran: Okay.

214 01:10:48.940 01:10:51.620 Mustafa Raja: So… I need to work on this.

215 01:10:55.430 01:11:01.009 Mustafa Raja: And it says that it’s, It’s around content.

216 01:11:01.470 01:11:08.200 Mustafa Raja: Are we going to look into their blogs or something? I don’t think that would be…

217 01:11:11.710 01:11:12.670 Mustafa Raja: Efficient.

218 01:11:17.710 01:11:23.809 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, I don’t think we should do this one.

219 01:11:25.120 01:11:26.900 Mustafa Raja: So we should exempt it altogether.

220 01:11:27.720 01:11:28.490 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah.

221 01:11:30.680 01:11:31.290 Uttam Kumaran: You know.

222 01:11:31.290 01:11:31.809 Mustafa Raja: It’s just a…

223 01:11:31.810 01:11:33.380 Uttam Kumaran: Delete that one, that’s fine.

224 01:11:33.590 01:11:39.650 Uttam Kumaran: Or you can, yeah, you can just mark it as… We’re not doing it, yeah.

225 01:11:40.470 01:11:42.900 Mustafa Raja: It’s this whole combination.

226 01:11:43.500 01:11:45.689 Uttam Kumaran: No, no, just that one index.

227 01:11:47.200 01:11:53.510 Mustafa Raja: Not doing… Not feasible.

228 01:11:53.640 01:11:54.370 Mustafa Raja: Fine.

229 01:11:55.620 01:11:59.550 Uttam Kumaran: Well, you can just put effort as… Hard.

230 01:12:01.600 01:12:02.879 Mustafa Raja: Yeah, let’s do that.

231 01:12:03.780 01:12:05.760 Uttam Kumaran: There is a… there is a column H.

232 01:12:07.550 01:12:09.060 Mustafa Raja: This was put as easy, bro.

233 01:12:10.280 01:12:14.060 Uttam Kumaran: I don’t know. Or, yeah.

234 01:12:16.540 01:12:20.209 Uttam Kumaran: I guess there isn’t… there isn’t a…

235 01:12:20.550 01:12:30.459 Uttam Kumaran: And we got a column here for, like, the implementation, like… Implementation status, maybe?

236 01:12:34.460 01:12:42.950 Mustafa Raja: But, we already have this reference link, no? If the link is there… It’s been implemented.

237 01:12:42.950 01:12:45.159 Uttam Kumaran: Oh, okay, okay, yeah.

238 01:12:45.740 01:12:48.779 Uttam Kumaran: Then you can just say reference link is, like, not implementing.

239 01:12:50.170 01:12:51.460 Mustafa Raja: Not recommended, right?

240 01:12:52.040 01:12:52.580 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah.

241 01:12:58.280 01:13:01.280 Mustafa Raja: one other… 1.

242 01:13:02.490 01:13:06.039 Mustafa Raja: And we can do that, it’s just a,

243 01:13:06.790 01:13:12.990 Mustafa Raja: Okay, so the story is that when we were working on this,

244 01:13:13.220 01:13:21.990 Mustafa Raja: The default team wanted us to work on whether we can find the providers for form and a scheduler, right?

245 01:13:24.480 01:13:27.410 Mustafa Raja: In that process.

246 01:13:28.010 01:13:36.219 Mustafa Raja: we really, put this signal aside. Do we want to put it aside for others, too?

247 01:13:36.410 01:13:37.200 Mustafa Raja: or not.

248 01:13:41.670 01:13:43.149 Mustafa Raja: Form friction score.

249 01:13:43.150 01:13:46.339 Uttam Kumaran: Oh, yeah, I don’t think we should do any of the scores for now.

250 01:13:47.940 01:13:53.050 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, don’t worry about anything that’s a score. We just want to do binary, or… the string array.

251 01:13:53.050 01:13:53.870 Mustafa Raja: and related ones.

252 01:13:53.870 01:13:54.430 Uttam Kumaran: for now.

253 01:13:55.790 01:13:59.260 Mustafa Raja: Okay, yeah, so I guess these 5 are done.

254 01:14:00.970 01:14:05.129 Uttam Kumaran: Okay, did they give any feedback from anything we sent this week so far?

255 01:14:05.130 01:14:14.060 Mustafa Raja: We did, so, Brian asked me to do…

256 01:14:16.110 01:14:21.749 Mustafa Raja: this thing, but he really didn’t get back to me when I sent him the result.

257 01:14:22.520 01:14:24.070 Mustafa Raja: This one, the 90.

258 01:14:24.770 01:14:26.980 Mustafa Raja: Should I… should I bump it, or what?

259 01:14:27.340 01:14:28.400 Mustafa Raja: I’ll leave it.

260 01:14:28.640 01:14:31.690 Mustafa Raja: I mean, we’re meeting… I would bump it, yeah.

261 01:14:38.890 01:14:45.219 Mustafa Raja: Should I… I mean, Ryan really didn’t say that he’ll come back to me with his review.

262 01:14:47.300 01:14:49.900 Mustafa Raja: Can you take a look at this conversation?

263 01:14:53.860 01:14:56.400 Uttam Kumaran: Well, we’ll just bump it, just ask them for a review.

264 01:14:57.020 01:14:59.190 Mustafa Raja: Dumping for a review, right?

265 01:14:59.430 01:15:00.050 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah.

266 01:15:00.540 01:15:03.250 Mustafa Raja: I’m paying for a review. Thanks.

267 01:15:12.670 01:15:21.580 Mustafa Raja: I guess… These 5 are done, and then… And work on the… Ting…

268 01:15:27.270 01:15:28.589 Mustafa Raja: This is good.

269 01:15:28.940 01:15:30.440 Mustafa Raja: This is good.

270 01:16:39.130 01:16:45.849 Mustafa Raja: Client hubs are live for the… those ones, smart plug and the Insomnia one.

271 01:16:46.240 01:16:48.589 Mustafa Raja: Do we want the interlude one, too, now?

272 01:16:52.260 01:16:55.900 Uttam Kumaran: Wait, sorry, say it again?

273 01:16:56.400 01:16:58.649 Mustafa Raja: Do you want the client appointed you?

274 01:16:59.660 01:17:09.510 Uttam Kumaran: Yes, I want to just ship all the client hubs. Or, like, but… but again, I think my question originally is, like, do we have the client hubs set up in…

275 01:17:10.110 01:17:15.809 Uttam Kumaran: Set up in… The platform yet, or no?

276 01:17:18.760 01:17:21.650 Mustafa Raja: Yeah, yeah, those are the ones that I…

277 01:17:21.800 01:17:27.910 Mustafa Raja: the ones that… the ones that I worked on yesterday were… are also on platform.

278 01:17:31.930 01:17:33.799 Mustafa Raja: Spark plug and insomnia.

279 01:17:34.590 01:17:35.319 Mustafa Raja: Those are intrigued.

280 01:17:35.320 01:17:36.280 Uttam Kumaran: They’re all on the platform.

281 01:17:37.000 01:17:40.589 Mustafa Raja: Yeah, those are important. I attached screenshots.

282 01:17:41.080 01:17:42.410 Mustafa Raja: In the tickets.

283 01:17:42.870 01:17:43.989 Mustafa Raja: That I worked on.

284 01:17:51.380 01:17:57.180 Uttam Kumaran: Okay. Yeah, I just, I just want to make sure for any active clients, That we have clients.

285 01:17:57.820 01:18:01.040 Uttam Kumaran: So if you need to know the active clients, then I would ask for a…

286 01:18:01.290 01:18:06.859 Uttam Kumaran: What the active clients are, But every active client, I want to have my own, so…

287 01:18:06.860 01:18:11.169 Mustafa Raja: Yeah, I don’t think we have, interviewed as active client on platform.

288 01:18:14.820 01:18:18.190 Uttam Kumaran: But I guess that’s my point. So, like, any active client we have.

289 01:18:18.640 01:18:21.499 Uttam Kumaran: We should have a client up for.

290 01:18:22.650 01:18:23.280 Mustafa Raja: Yep.

291 01:18:40.430 01:18:41.540 Mustafa Raja: Ding-do.

292 01:21:10.640 01:21:11.100 Uttam Kumaran: Ayy.

293 01:21:13.590 01:21:15.470 Henry Zhao: Yeah, I guess I went on a tree, I guess.

294 01:21:16.480 01:21:17.140 Uttam Kumaran: Okay.

295 01:21:18.020 01:21:18.710 Mustafa Raja: Hey.

296 01:21:20.550 01:21:21.620 Henry Zhao: Hey, Mustafa.

297 01:21:22.440 01:21:23.290 Mustafa Raja: How are you?

298 01:21:24.200 01:21:25.080 Henry Zhao: Good, how are you?

299 01:21:25.660 01:21:26.520 Mustafa Raja: Yeah, doing good.

300 01:21:32.100 01:21:33.919 Shreya Chowdhury: Hey guys, how’s it going?

301 01:21:34.130 01:21:35.670 Uttam Kumaran: Hey, good.

302 01:21:35.670 01:21:36.490 Mustafa Raja: Good.

303 01:21:39.670 01:21:49.070 Uttam Kumaran: Cool, so I don’t know, maybe, Henry, I could let you give the lowdown of, like, sort of where we’re at with the default product analytics, workstream?

304 01:21:49.380 01:21:54.819 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, sure. And then we can kind of talk about, like, where we at, where we are.

305 01:21:55.070 01:21:57.460 Uttam Kumaran: Like, where do we end up today? And then…

306 01:21:57.790 01:21:59.960 Henry Zhao: We can see, like, if we can…

307 01:22:00.140 01:22:03.339 Uttam Kumaran: Spread the wealth a little bit, and what we need help with.

308 01:22:03.920 01:22:07.209 Henry Zhao: Yeah, so… you guys can see my screen, right?

309 01:22:08.290 01:22:09.070 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah.

310 01:22:09.530 01:22:19.780 Henry Zhao: I don’t think so, actually. What can you guys see? Oh, I see, okay. So Sriya, just to give you a heads up, basically, we gathered from the stakeholder, like, all of the things that we want to track.

311 01:22:20.100 01:22:30.930 Henry Zhao: all the questions that we want to answer, and so based on that, I set up kind of the basic structure of, events that we need to have in amplitude to… to track these things.

312 01:22:31.640 01:22:37.900 Henry Zhao: And so I have here, like, a list of user properties, with… starting with the basic ones, like user ID, email.

313 01:22:38.470 01:22:42.670 Henry Zhao: And then we also want these ones, like what role the user has, and what team that they’re in.

314 01:22:43.830 01:22:51.630 Henry Zhao: And then eventually we want to discuss if we want to track campaign, UTM sources as well, to see, like, where these people came from.

315 01:22:52.470 01:23:09.280 Henry Zhao: And then we broke the rest of the events down into, like, onboarding flow, project flow, purchase events, and interaction events. I think I really want to focus right now just on interaction events, where we look at, kind of, what they’re using. So, like, did they schedule a meeting? Did they click on a notification?

316 01:23:09.780 01:23:13.399 Henry Zhao: Did they create or complete a workflow creation?

317 01:23:14.150 01:23:17.990 Henry Zhao: Basically all kinds of different events inside the app that we want to track.

318 01:23:18.550 01:23:30.920 Henry Zhao: And then we’ve classified the ones that are high prize, so that we can answer, kind of, the most urgent questions. And Vishal and I are just going by rounds. Vishal is the engineer helping me, to implement these events into Amplitude.

319 01:23:31.710 01:23:39.889 Henry Zhao: So right now, we’re doing it using segments, and so the first round, we did the very basic ones, like meeting booked and users login.

320 01:23:40.450 01:23:47.530 Henry Zhao: Some of these events were already in there, but they weren’t firing properly, so we’ve just repurposed them to fire properly and set them to live.

321 01:23:48.180 01:23:51.360 Henry Zhao: And then the next round, I want to get in some of these.

322 01:23:51.980 01:23:52.770 Henry Zhao: like…

323 01:23:53.090 01:24:01.199 Henry Zhao: Other high-prime ones to show, like, which overall activity are people using, to start getting some, insights there, and build some initial dashboards.

324 01:24:03.760 01:24:12.150 Henry Zhao: So… We were hoping that maybe together we could build this, which one is it?

325 01:24:16.300 01:24:21.580 Henry Zhao: This… Product Analytics Playbook.

326 01:24:22.770 01:24:26.379 Henry Zhao: So I see there’s not much in here yet, but let me actually maybe add…

327 01:24:38.910 01:24:39.989 Henry Zhao: I like this.

328 01:24:47.990 01:24:52.219 Henry Zhao: So, yeah, Sri, I wanted to hear your thoughts, kind of like what you’ve already worked on.

329 01:24:52.830 01:24:58.730 Shreya Chowdhury: Yeah, so I can, share, but I basically made a…

330 01:24:59.260 01:25:07.919 Shreya Chowdhury: like, I finished up the A-B testing template. I know, Robert’s old doc is over there, so I can link…

331 01:25:08.070 01:25:18.589 Shreya Chowdhury: the one that I made, and it’s somewhat similar, but it just goes over the A-B testing best practices, and then I added, like, a sample case study,

332 01:25:19.710 01:25:31.520 Shreya Chowdhury: So that, yeah, that’s as far as it goes for the product analytics, mapping doc. Maybe we can set some time to go over that one, and then… I don’t know if,

333 01:25:32.070 01:25:33.720 Shreya Chowdhury: we have…

334 01:25:34.080 01:25:52.010 Shreya Chowdhury: done, like, how… like, what platform we use for A-B testing, if we’ve implemented one, so we can add details on that. As far as the tracking doc that you just went over, I think it mostly looks good. I can look over the link, and just make sure that I have

335 01:25:52.010 01:25:55.300 Shreya Chowdhury: A really clear idea of the picture.

336 01:25:55.300 01:25:59.169 Shreya Chowdhury: But one question I have is, are we working on…

337 01:25:59.460 01:26:18.030 Shreya Chowdhury: doing any analytics on… with that data, or are we mainly just working on setup? Because I looked through Uten’s notes and a lot of the questions, and things that we want to answer, so I’m just curious if we’re also working on getting, like, some monitoring or analysis done there.

338 01:26:18.240 01:26:28.810 Henry Zhao: Good question. Yeah, I think we’ll set up the events and then set up the dashboards, but then, of course, I’ll take a look at it, because I need to take a look to see if it’s accurate, and of course, if there’s insights, I’ll probably summarize those and send those to the client.

339 01:26:29.330 01:26:31.979 Shreya Chowdhury: Okay, cool, sounds good.

340 01:26:32.440 01:26:41.139 Uttam Kumaran: So yeah, there are a lot. This project has a bunch of analytics that we need. So, Henry, can you pull up the questions sheet that,

341 01:26:41.240 01:26:42.619 Henry Zhao: Oh, yeah, that’s a good idea.

342 01:26:42.620 01:26:52.490 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, let’s look at that, and this is something I think some of these we can… we should already be able to start on. Some of these, we still need some events going, and…

343 01:26:52.600 01:26:55.230 Uttam Kumaran: The client is not, like…

344 01:26:55.430 01:27:02.000 Uttam Kumaran: Basically, we’re gonna have to do some exploratory analysis and also propose questions to answer, like.

345 01:27:02.180 01:27:06.049 Uttam Kumaran: They gave us some questions, but, like, we’re gonna… they need a lot of help.

346 01:27:06.410 01:27:11.079 Uttam Kumaran: On thinking through this. So basically, this is, like, what they brain-dumped to us.

347 01:27:11.390 01:27:15.950 Uttam Kumaran: They have very little understanding of, like,

348 01:27:16.430 01:27:25.739 Uttam Kumaran: Apart from, like, literally probably the list of clients, they have no idea how people are using the product, what features they’re using the most,

349 01:27:26.080 01:27:29.959 Uttam Kumaran: like, what engagement looks like in terms of DAUs.

350 01:27:30.080 01:27:34.539 Uttam Kumaran: Weekly active users, monthly active users, trends,

351 01:27:35.020 01:27:40.980 Uttam Kumaran: You know, and also, like, basic KPIs for core product features. So…

352 01:27:41.450 01:27:46.360 Uttam Kumaran: There’s a huge list of, like, basic questions that we want to try to answer.

353 01:27:46.490 01:27:51.399 Uttam Kumaran: These can either be answered directly in Amplitude or in RIL, but…

354 01:27:51.590 01:27:56.010 Uttam Kumaran: Long story short, yes, like, we’re gonna handle reporting on all of this.

355 01:27:57.010 01:27:59.670 Shreya Chowdhury: Okay, cool, sounds good. Yeah.

356 01:27:59.670 01:28:04.850 Henry Zhao: Yeah, and I have the status here as well, just to… in case you’re curious.

357 01:28:06.830 01:28:19.559 Shreya Chowdhury: Okay, yeah, I mean, this looks pretty good. I think if most of them can be answered in amplitude, then we can do it there. But if there’s any, like, exploratory data analysis needed, I don’t know if we want to, like.

358 01:28:20.890 01:28:24.009 Shreya Chowdhury: Do, like, a deep dive into the data,

359 01:28:24.120 01:28:27.840 Shreya Chowdhury: Henry, you were the first one on that, and then… have.

360 01:28:27.840 01:28:34.880 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, do you guys both have, like, RIL on your side? Like, access to the RIL setup that Mustafa worked on?

361 01:28:35.090 01:28:35.550 Shreya Chowdhury: Oh my god.

362 01:28:35.550 01:28:37.980 Henry Zhao: Yeah, I have, I just haven’t played around with real yet.

363 01:28:38.920 01:28:39.920 Uttam Kumaran: Okay, well, we can…

364 01:28:39.920 01:28:42.510 Shreya Chowdhury: I do, but… I can say…

365 01:28:42.510 01:28:45.919 Uttam Kumaran: I got an invite yesterday, maybe check, and then maybe if you want to.

366 01:28:45.920 01:28:46.540 Mustafa Raja: Yeah.

367 01:28:46.540 01:28:46.980 Uttam Kumaran: share with you.

368 01:28:46.980 01:28:47.590 Mustafa Raja: I can just go through.

369 01:28:47.590 01:28:48.640 Uttam Kumaran: together.

370 01:28:49.100 01:28:51.049 Mustafa Raja: Yeah, it should be in your email.

371 01:28:51.480 01:28:52.570 Mustafa Raja: the invite.

372 01:28:52.880 01:28:54.440 Shreya Chowdhury: Okay, yeah, let me check.

373 01:28:55.670 01:28:58.850 Henry Zhao: I know I got it, yeah. I just haven’t got… dug around in it yet.

374 01:28:59.460 01:29:04.430 Henry Zhao: I’ll try to get an understanding of what’s real good for versus amplitude.

375 01:29:06.060 01:29:16.489 Uttam Kumaran: Well, Rill is gonna have all their meeting data, user data, Teams data, just joined together, basically.

376 01:29:16.680 01:29:23.010 Uttam Kumaran: So we just… we just… kind of joined their core customer tables.

377 01:29:23.010 01:29:25.580 Henry Zhao: How’s the data fed into Drill?

378 01:29:26.380 01:29:33.140 Uttam Kumaran: It’s coming from Mother Duck, so I don’t know, Mustafa, did… is everybody… I don’t think everybody has access to that yet, though.

379 01:29:33.410 01:29:34.020 Henry Zhao: Yeah.

380 01:29:34.400 01:29:35.380 Henry Zhao: Overduck?

381 01:29:35.900 01:29:36.690 Uttam Kumaran: Sorry?

382 01:29:36.870 01:29:39.250 Henry Zhao: Can someone do a quick demo of Mother Duck, by any chance?

383 01:29:41.260 01:29:43.679 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, I can… I can do a demo.

384 01:29:44.470 01:29:51.579 Uttam Kumaran: But I will have to hand it off, I’m in the middle of some other stuff.

385 01:29:52.730 01:29:54.389 Henry Zhao: We can do this tomorrow, also.

386 01:29:55.300 01:30:00.740 Uttam Kumaran: No, I kind of want to get it done just… since we’re all on the call, let’s just do it today. My,

387 01:30:01.000 01:30:04.890 Uttam Kumaran: I am… there’s, like, a high odds that I will not be able to make

388 01:30:05.740 01:30:09.399 Uttam Kumaran: As long as we’re on the phone, it’s a good time to do this, so…

389 01:30:09.400 01:30:10.030 Henry Zhao: Yeah.

390 01:30:10.030 01:30:13.320 Uttam Kumaran: Let me… let me just try to pull this up.

391 01:30:19.740 01:30:28.660 Uttam Kumaran: So, MotherDuck is just a data warehouse. We got a raw export of the core objects from the default product.

392 01:30:28.840 01:30:32.769 Uttam Kumaran: So, forms, meetings, members, queues, queue members, submissions, teams.

393 01:30:32.900 01:30:38.709 Uttam Kumaran: You can take a look at what’s in…

394 01:30:38.910 01:30:42.160 Uttam Kumaran: Like, raw members, for example.

395 01:30:46.370 01:30:47.830 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah.

396 01:30:49.720 01:30:55.260 Uttam Kumaran: So, just user data. So, basically, what you’re looking at is, like.

397 01:30:55.380 01:31:04.799 Uttam Kumaran: We have users, we have, the meetings booked on the platform, we have the queues, everything, so again, there’s…

398 01:31:05.320 01:31:18.419 Uttam Kumaran: some exploratory data analysis that has to be done. I haven’t really looked at, like, a ton of this data. I just made sure that we can have access to it. Mother Duck is a data warehouse, so you can log in and do stuff here.

399 01:31:18.550 01:31:19.610 Uttam Kumaran: Right.

400 01:31:19.850 01:31:26.210 Uttam Kumaran: To log in, use the… use the, Brainforge at default.com, that’s in 1passer.

401 01:31:27.930 01:31:37.870 Uttam Kumaran: you could connect Mother Duck to whatever you want, like, you can connect it to Jupyter, you can do whatever. We… we quickly just brought that all into, RIL,

402 01:31:38.370 01:31:41.540 Uttam Kumaran: Which I don’t know… okay, great.

403 01:31:42.110 01:31:48.630 Uttam Kumaran: So I think basically what we’ve done is we’ve just joined A lot of that together.

404 01:31:48.750 01:31:52.340 Uttam Kumaran: I don’t know if I can see the definition…

405 01:31:53.230 01:31:58.630 Uttam Kumaran: here… is it… is… did you already get this into the repo, Mustafa?

406 01:31:59.240 01:32:00.030 Mustafa Raja: Yep.

407 01:32:00.870 01:32:01.580 Uttam Kumaran: Okay.

408 01:32:01.880 01:32:05.500 Mustafa Raja: It’s in the repo that, default people gave us.

409 01:32:05.930 01:32:06.870 Uttam Kumaran: Okay.

410 01:32:21.100 01:32:25.900 Uttam Kumaran: Cool. So, it’ll probably be a little bit of a learning curve.

411 01:32:26.080 01:32:34.570 Uttam Kumaran: to get familiar with… with RIL. But RIL is, like, a BIS code tool, so we’ve pushed

412 01:32:34.800 01:32:41.400 Uttam Kumaran: both, like, core sources to RIL, which is just select star from the core, tables.

413 01:32:41.530 01:32:45.990 Uttam Kumaran: In real, you can set up a model, I think they’re…

414 01:32:46.560 01:32:52.750 Uttam Kumaran: These are… should be, we just set up basic data modeling on top of

415 01:32:53.290 01:32:57.479 Uttam Kumaran: Like, I don’t know how… Mustafa, did you just use Cursor to sort of, like, rip through some of these?

416 01:32:57.640 01:32:58.340 Mustafa Raja: Yep.

417 01:32:58.780 01:33:08.499 Uttam Kumaran: Okay, cool. So, probably, these will need some work, too. And then you can create a core dashboard, which looks like this dashboard just pulls stuff from

418 01:33:08.610 01:33:14.780 Uttam Kumaran: Sales performance metrics, and it looks like… Sales performance metrics…

419 01:33:15.730 01:33:18.719 Uttam Kumaran: Is just an overview of the teams.

420 01:33:18.870 01:33:21.990 Uttam Kumaran: So, if we want, we can add more…

421 01:33:22.160 01:33:34.509 Uttam Kumaran: more metrics here. Looks like we’re probably miss… we’re probably missing every… things on members, integrations, forms, but also, like, none of us really had an opinionated

422 01:33:34.640 01:33:39.339 Uttam Kumaran: stance on how to model this data, so there’s probably a lot of EDA that has to happen

423 01:33:40.340 01:33:41.910 Uttam Kumaran: directly on Mother Duck.

424 01:33:42.060 01:33:50.400 Uttam Kumaran: But as you can see, Henry, like, we’re not gonna get, like, all of these form properties into amplitude.

425 01:33:50.840 01:33:55.950 Uttam Kumaran: Right? What we’re gonna see is we’re gonna be able to see, like, how often forms get created and things like that.

426 01:33:56.710 01:34:09.479 Uttam Kumaran: the data we’re seeing here is gonna have, like, everything. So, RIL is, again, something we just quickly spun up, but we can pump this into Tableau. I was thinking maybe we could try Omni as well, if we want to try that out.

427 01:34:09.670 01:34:18.829 Henry Zhao: Okay. But yeah, definitely shouldn’t go into amplitude. I think for amplitude, just those major properties that I talked about for product analytics should be okay.

428 01:34:19.000 01:34:19.739 Henry Zhao: And then the stuff.

429 01:34:19.740 01:34:20.070 Uttam Kumaran: Okay.

430 01:34:20.240 01:34:22.959 Henry Zhao: Allies in, Mother Duck, or…

431 01:34:23.670 01:34:25.059 Henry Zhao: do it in Tableau or something.

432 01:34:25.500 01:34:26.140 Uttam Kumaran: Okay.

433 01:34:29.320 01:34:29.870 Henry Zhao: Cool.

434 01:34:31.990 01:34:34.820 Uttam Kumaran: So I guess, like, for Shreya and for…

435 01:34:35.060 01:34:43.040 Uttam Kumaran: For Henry, does it kind of make sense? Like, I think, for me, the biggest thing is, like, how can we systematically tackle answering some of those questions for Caitlin, basically?

436 01:34:45.120 01:34:50.829 Shreya Chowdhury: Yeah, sounds good. Henry, maybe you and I can set up some time to pair on this.

437 01:34:50.830 01:34:53.189 Henry Zhao: Yeah, I’ll set up time on your calendar for tomorrow morning.

438 01:34:53.190 01:34:54.899 Shreya Chowdhury: Okay, cool, sounds good.

439 01:34:55.760 01:34:56.440 Henry Zhao: Okay.

440 01:34:57.180 01:35:09.600 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, I think it’ll take… the default product is, like, a B2B sales routing product, so you’ll see a lot of data on, like, forms, which is one of their products, so users can create forms. Of course.

441 01:35:09.770 01:35:21.609 Uttam Kumaran: forms typically are, like, forms on a website, like, if you go to, Brainforge AI, and you click on here, this is a Cal, like, a cal.com form.

442 01:35:21.650 01:35:36.990 Uttam Kumaran: Right? So they have a very similar product to this. It’s actually an embedded form, and so their users set up forms. Those forms can lead to meetings booked, which meetings is also another product of theirs. And so they just have questions on, like.

443 01:35:37.080 01:35:44.260 Uttam Kumaran: How many meetings are getting booked? Like, which accounts are adding more users to their organization within the default platform?

444 01:35:44.420 01:35:51.360 Uttam Kumaran: Like, very basic stuff. So… Yeah.

445 01:35:53.630 01:36:08.599 Uttam Kumaran: And then the other thing is, like, this client is very non-opinionated, so one mistake I don’t want to make here is, like, asking them too many questions on, like, what do you guys… what do they want to see?

446 01:36:08.600 01:36:09.210 Henry Zhao: Okay.

447 01:36:09.210 01:36:23.890 Uttam Kumaran: I feel like they gave us enough of that. More what they’re gonna want from us is, like, hey, we’ve measured B2B products before, here’s, like, some great insights that they can start doing. Even today, we heard Caitlin say, like, she can’t get an answer for, like, what are the…

448 01:36:24.110 01:36:28.370 Uttam Kumaran: what… which clients are the most active users on the platform? She couldn’t answer that, like, today.

449 01:36:28.660 01:36:33.230 Uttam Kumaran: And so we just want to get them, like, basic, basic stuff.

450 01:36:33.360 01:36:35.489 Uttam Kumaran: I’m not married to Rill.

451 01:36:35.620 01:36:48.770 Uttam Kumaran: Mother Duck is just a warehouse, so I don’t… it’s… it’s cheap, it’s fine, but we can… we can try another BI tool, but before that, I think three of us just have a good understanding of, like, what the core schema is, and…

452 01:36:49.220 01:36:58.160 Uttam Kumaran: like, what kind of questions we want to answer. And then they just need answers and, like, some basic, like, strategy on how to roll out their next set of products, so…

453 01:36:58.890 01:36:59.550 Henry Zhao: Okay.

454 01:37:03.790 01:37:04.770 Uttam Kumaran: Cool, okay.

455 01:37:04.770 01:37:13.380 Shreya Chowdhury: Well, sounds good. And I actually don’t think I got, an invite to RIL. I don’t see it in my email, but if someone can resend it to me…

456 01:37:15.060 01:37:17.250 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, Mustafa, do you want to send that?

457 01:37:17.470 01:37:19.530 Mustafa Raja: Yeah, let me resend it.

458 01:37:20.600 01:37:21.170 Uttam Kumaran: Okay.

459 01:37:26.090 01:37:35.860 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, we’ve used Rel for some other clients, it’s just kind of, like, quick and easy, and you can run it locally, and deploy, but again, not opposed to using

460 01:37:36.150 01:37:40.269 Uttam Kumaran: I’ve heard really good things of Omni. We want to try that for them, we can try that.

461 01:37:40.570 01:37:46.540 Shreya Chowdhury: Yeah, I like that it can be connected to Jupyter Notebook. I think it would be… if we’re doing, like,

462 01:37:46.670 01:38:00.089 Shreya Chowdhury: like, a quick analysis doc, something that doesn’t set up, like, like, regular monitoring. I think it’s nice to be able to connect it to a visual, and then you can have, like, a lot of the analysis, the qualitative and quantitative in one place.

463 01:38:00.090 01:38:08.800 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, I’m totally open to however you guys want to do this. I think, of course, what’s going to happen is the moment you answer it once, they’re going to want to see it, often.

464 01:38:09.000 01:38:13.430 Uttam Kumaran: So, we can make a decision on a BI tool, Probably…

465 01:38:13.610 01:38:18.019 Uttam Kumaran: Just kick the can on that for a bit, until we have a good grasp of the data.

466 01:38:18.020 01:38:20.879 Shreya Chowdhury: They only have… they only have 6 tables, so…

467 01:38:21.110 01:38:22.490 Uttam Kumaran: Should be pretty chill.

468 01:38:23.480 01:38:26.760 Mustafa Raja: I’ve sent an invite again, can you please look into that?

469 01:38:27.020 01:38:28.920 Shreya Chowdhury: Yeah, yeah, I just got it, thank you.

470 01:38:29.020 01:38:29.700 Mustafa Raja: Rocky.

471 01:38:31.990 01:38:50.619 Shreya Chowdhury: And then, Henry, I have a quick question. Did you ever work on any A-B testing stuff? I know Robert’s out this week, but I was gonna ask if, like, we’ve implemented it, and if so, like, I see, like, one Google Sheet with, like, a dashboard, but it’s just images, so I wanted to know if, like.

472 01:38:51.140 01:38:57.369 Shreya Chowdhury: What tools or tech stack we use to, actually run the tests, if we do.

473 01:38:57.370 01:39:00.639 Henry Zhao: Okay, I haven’t done any A-B testing at Brainforge yet, so…

474 01:39:00.640 01:39:02.590 Shreya Chowdhury: Okay. Okay, cool, sounds good.

475 01:39:02.590 01:39:06.149 Henry Zhao: In the past career, though, I’ve worked with, like, Optimizely, like, pretty standard ABP.

476 01:39:06.150 01:39:08.839 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, same. I’ve used Optimizely or,

477 01:39:09.110 01:39:12.170 Uttam Kumaran: It’s another one, like, Darkly? Is that one, or…

478 01:39:12.170 01:39:26.140 Shreya Chowdhury: Okay, yeah. Well, it’s not urgent, but I’m just, like, I finished up the playbook, and I left, like, one section, like, empty, that’s basically just, like, the how to implement, because I didn’t know how we do it here, but we can always fill that in later, once we do it.

479 01:39:28.040 01:39:28.700 Shreya Chowdhury: Yep.

480 01:39:29.010 01:39:29.540 Shreya Chowdhury: Okay.

481 01:39:29.540 01:39:40.320 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, I’ve done it in my career. I don’t think we… I don’t think I’ve worked on it. Maybe Robert has. I mean, we’ve done some price A-B testing with IntelliGems on Shopify for, like.

482 01:39:40.770 01:39:45.380 Uttam Kumaran: one client, but that’s kind of, like, not really product A-B testing, so…

483 01:39:45.970 01:39:46.520 Henry Zhao: Yeah.

484 01:39:48.390 01:39:51.910 Uttam Kumaran: We can, do you want to actually just, like, can I…

485 01:39:52.220 01:39:57.920 Uttam Kumaran: Did you send that playbook? I can give some comments, too. I’m in a big, like, Notion mood today, doing a bunch of stuff.

486 01:39:57.920 01:40:06.779 Shreya Chowdhury: Yeah, I was just… I just asked Amber for the linear doc, so I could, fill that out, but let me just pull up the…

487 01:40:07.300 01:40:07.980 Uttam Kumaran: Cool.

488 01:40:08.180 01:40:10.919 Shreya Chowdhury: Pull up the doc that I have.

489 01:40:12.010 01:40:16.319 Henry Zhao: Tom, for Mother Duck, you said what login do we use? Default at brainforge.ai, or…

490 01:40:16.320 01:40:19.320 Uttam Kumaran: Brainforge at default.com.

491 01:40:20.490 01:40:22.689 Henry Zhao: I don’t know why I’m not seeing it in one pass, let me try and find it.

492 01:40:22.690 01:40:24.320 Uttam Kumaran: It’s… it’s logging with Google.

493 01:40:24.900 01:40:25.930 Henry Zhao: Oh, okay.

494 01:40:26.130 01:40:27.619 Henry Zhao: Always, that always gets me.

495 01:40:29.820 01:40:31.099 Henry Zhao: I have it now, yeah, okay.

496 01:40:37.880 01:40:42.209 Henry Zhao: You just use Mother Duck on the… on an internet browser, right? Like, there’s no app to download.

497 01:40:48.570 01:40:51.380 Uttam Kumaran: Wait, say that again? Oh, no, you don’t have to install it, yeah, it’s just all cloud.

498 01:40:51.440 01:40:52.300 Henry Zhao: I’m in.

499 01:40:53.010 01:40:54.530 Henry Zhao: Okay, Mother Duck looks cool.

500 01:40:56.020 01:40:59.320 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, it’s simpler than, like, Snowflake or something.

501 01:40:59.520 01:41:04.049 Shreya Chowdhury: Does Mother Junk require, an invite too, or is it just through…

502 01:41:04.050 01:41:05.679 Henry Zhao: No, you just log into Google, and then…

503 01:41:05.680 01:41:08.310 Uttam Kumaran: I would log in using the shared Gmail, yeah.

504 01:41:08.310 01:41:09.020 Shreya Chowdhury: Okay.

505 01:41:10.440 01:41:15.099 Uttam Kumaran: I think I can invite… we can… yeah, you can invite your brain forge email. I just, like…

506 01:41:15.340 01:41:23.799 Uttam Kumaran: we deal with this with every client. I don’t know, like, I don’t have, like, the perfect solution for this, usually. I just try to… we… if we can all share their email, I’m happy, but…

507 01:41:24.400 01:41:31.090 Uttam Kumaran: Because the problem is, if you… I don’t know if you join the Mother Duck with your email, and then you try to access another one, it’ll, like…

508 01:41:31.440 01:41:33.780 Uttam Kumaran: won’t give you the right one, I’m not sure, so…

509 01:41:36.430 01:41:37.130 Shreya Chowdhury: Okay.

510 01:41:39.450 01:41:49.069 Shreya Chowdhury: Yeah, if we have a little bit of time now, I can walk through, what I have for the A-B testing documentation.

511 01:41:51.420 01:41:55.479 Shreya Chowdhury: And, yeah, I’m happy to get some feedback.

512 01:41:55.660 01:42:03.030 Shreya Chowdhury: There was a couple of things that… I was going to…

513 01:42:03.340 01:42:13.780 Shreya Chowdhury: add… I just got access to them earlier today, but I can… Walk through, like, another…

514 01:42:14.680 01:42:17.220 Shreya Chowdhury: So basically, this is…

515 01:42:18.160 01:42:18.710 Uttam Kumaran: Nice.

516 01:42:18.710 01:42:21.339 Shreya Chowdhury: the A-B testing handbook,

517 01:42:21.520 01:42:29.329 Shreya Chowdhury: this is the original one that we had. It was… it was also pretty good. I just couldn’t edit this, so I made

518 01:42:29.600 01:42:40.400 Shreya Chowdhury: my own, and I tried to use, like, the format that Robert was using, and he also had, like, a specific case here that I was just going to, add to the handbook that I made.

519 01:42:41.200 01:42:54.969 Shreya Chowdhury: I didn’t have access to this section until today, so I’m planning on just, doing, like, a dummy example with, like, visuals and then adding it to this handbook, but for now, what I did was basically,

520 01:42:55.010 01:43:03.239 Shreya Chowdhury: yeah, I just have, like, it’s split up into, like, a few sections, so, like, an intro, a motivation,

521 01:43:04.070 01:43:13.699 Shreya Chowdhury: like, the criteria design and, analyzing the results after, and then in each section, I just embedded, like, a specific example, so…

522 01:43:13.700 01:43:14.340 Uttam Kumaran: Nice.

523 01:43:14.340 01:43:23.859 Shreya Chowdhury: If we’re talking about, like, shopping cart abandonment, if we’re working with an e-commerce company or something,

524 01:43:24.330 01:43:32.890 Shreya Chowdhury: like, I just went through, like, oh, what the problem would be, what the solution would be, trying to figure out, like, what the metrics are,

525 01:43:33.270 01:43:42.049 Shreya Chowdhury: And then in the second part, in the design, like, I just went through, like, how we would pick hypothesis, sample group, and then

526 01:43:42.220 01:43:46.059 Shreya Chowdhury: I just walked through, like, the example here.

527 01:43:46.710 01:44:01.300 Shreya Chowdhury: I’m kind of, like… I was just walking through all of it with a fine-tooth comb, trying to make sure… there might be some minor edits that still need to be made here, but I think for now, this is, like, a good starting point for us, for our playbook.

528 01:44:02.060 01:44:08.829 Shreya Chowdhury: And yeah, once we have, like, a way to actually implement the tests, we can fill that section in.

529 01:44:09.790 01:44:13.499 Uttam Kumaran: Okay, cool. Do you want to add this to… actually,

530 01:44:13.640 01:44:19.270 Uttam Kumaran: I have a really great place for you to add this document.

531 01:44:19.640 01:44:25.980 Uttam Kumaran: Can you, if you, if you open in Notion, there’s a page called Services.

532 01:44:26.770 01:44:39.660 Uttam Kumaran: You literally just search for services. I’ve been working on this, like, a good amount of the day, and basically what I’m working on is a service catalog with offers and what’s called reusable epics.

533 01:44:40.210 01:44:47.110 Uttam Kumaran: which is gonna be… they’re gonna be mapped to, like, basically, like, playbooks. Okay. Can you add your handbook?

534 01:44:47.280 01:44:51.159 Uttam Kumaran: to the reusable EPICS database in Notion.

535 01:44:51.920 01:44:55.299 Uttam Kumaran: I don’t know if you’ve used Notion a bunch, if not, I can show you how to do that, but…

536 01:44:56.170 01:45:13.170 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, I mean, I haven’t used it a bunch, but I don’t… I don’t really mind it, so right here, I can add it here. Yeah, I think you can… what you can do is you can actually just go back to your AB experimentation, click on, like, the three… or whatever the handbook is, you can click on the three dots on the top right.

537 01:45:14.120 01:45:16.610 Uttam Kumaran: And then you can do move to…

538 01:45:17.510 01:45:23.630 Uttam Kumaran: And then I think you can just move to… if you type in reusable epics, yeah, yeah, perfect.

539 01:45:24.450 01:45:25.420 Uttam Kumaran: Alright.

540 01:45:26.450 01:45:27.510 Uttam Kumaran: There it is.

541 01:45:27.620 01:45:32.139 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah. So if you go… so now, on the top… on the top, you’ll see the little… yeah.

542 01:45:32.380 01:45:32.770 Shreya Chowdhury: Yeah.

543 01:45:32.770 01:45:36.979 Uttam Kumaran: Now it’s in this database, and this database lives in the services page.

544 01:45:37.240 01:45:37.950 Shreya Chowdhury: Yeah.

545 01:45:38.670 01:45:42.920 Uttam Kumaran: So, basically, what I’m doing is I’m creating, like,

546 01:45:43.730 01:45:55.870 Uttam Kumaran: there’s, like, a network of assets between the services we offer, the offers, for example, we’re offering, like, our free workshop, right? That’s a free offer that ties back into, like, a couple of our services, and then…

547 01:45:56.250 01:45:58.510 Uttam Kumaran: The playbook is how we execute.

548 01:45:58.770 01:46:03.240 Uttam Kumaran: So, the A-B testing handbook is going to get associated with the A-B testing

549 01:46:03.460 01:46:08.180 Uttam Kumaran: with, one of the A-B testing, or product analytics services. Yeah.

550 01:46:08.180 01:46:09.070 Shreya Chowdhury: So this is perfect.

551 01:46:09.280 01:46:12.860 Shreya Chowdhury: Well, yeah, this isn’t meant to be a client-facing dock, right?

552 01:46:12.860 01:46:15.779 Uttam Kumaran: No, no, this is inter… this is all in… this is… the whole thing is internal, but…

553 01:46:15.780 01:46:21.450 Shreya Chowdhury: Okay, I was gonna say, because if we want to have, like, a case that’s, like, a little bit more like that, we can just,

554 01:46:21.840 01:46:24.079 Shreya Chowdhury: Make it a little more, like.

555 01:46:25.060 01:46:33.519 Shreya Chowdhury: I don’t know, friendly to a non-tech audience, and show, like, hey, this is how we implemented A-B testing, and this is, like, what we got from it.

556 01:46:34.040 01:46:44.030 Shreya Chowdhury: yeah, this one is more for, like, our internal, like, if someone new has to run an A-B test, I tried to make it, like, a A-B testing for dummies type doc.

557 01:46:44.030 01:46:50.319 Uttam Kumaran: No, that’s exactly what this is. So the reusable epics are gonna be, like, when we sell, for example, we sell, like.

558 01:46:50.580 01:46:53.120 Uttam Kumaran: Let’s say we pitched someone on our…

559 01:46:53.310 01:47:04.999 Uttam Kumaran: Data Foundation Sprint. This is a really corny name, but… and as part of that, you get, like, okay, we’re gonna come in and set up your data warehouse, and set up dbt, and set up a BI tool.

560 01:47:05.100 01:47:16.800 Uttam Kumaran: As part of that, we may have to run the data warehouse playbook, the dbt playbook, and the BI tool playbook, right? So that’s how it all links together, but this is all internal. The only thing.

561 01:47:16.800 01:47:17.120 Shreya Chowdhury: Okay.

562 01:47:17.120 01:47:32.830 Uttam Kumaran: that may end up getting close to external is the offers, which is, like, for example, Product Analytics Accelerator is, like, a sample offer that we’re thinking about. That way, whenever we go to a client, we have, like, one or many offers that they can take advantage of.

563 01:47:33.110 01:47:42.139 Uttam Kumaran: One of which could be this, like, product analytics accelerator. There’s nothing in any of these pages, so don’t… don’t worry. Mainly what I worked on today is, like.

564 01:47:42.460 01:47:48.739 Uttam Kumaran: If you scroll down to the bottom, you’ll… like, the bottom of this page, you’ll see, like, what our old list of services were.

565 01:47:48.740 01:47:49.200 Shreya Chowdhury: Yeah.

566 01:47:49.200 01:47:53.100 Uttam Kumaran: If you keep going, this is all… this is all this stuff. So we have, like.

567 01:47:53.270 01:47:56.580 Uttam Kumaran: These are, like, demos. I’ll scroll up a little bit.

568 01:47:56.940 01:48:14.400 Uttam Kumaran: So you have… these are, like, our current pricing, or actually, like, yeah, these are our old pricing models, and you can see, basically, like, commercial… you have pricing models, like, on… if we’re doing staff augmentation versus teams as a service versus fixed fee, and then right above this are the services.

569 01:48:14.650 01:48:21.970 Uttam Kumaran: So these are kind of, sort of match what we’re currently doing, but if you, if you expand, like, product analytics strategy, for example, at the top…

570 01:48:22.820 01:48:25.380 Uttam Kumaran: And you click the little, like, carrot thing.

571 01:48:26.780 01:48:32.500 Uttam Kumaran: you’ll see, like, these are what we called subservices before, but I’m sort of re…

572 01:48:33.010 01:48:34.989 Uttam Kumaran: I’m redoing this whole thing.

573 01:48:35.370 01:48:38.230 Uttam Kumaran: Okay. Like, I don’t know if you click on A-B testing, is there anything in here?

574 01:48:39.210 01:48:39.780 Shreya Chowdhury: No.

575 01:48:39.780 01:48:42.969 Uttam Kumaran: I mean, you have to click on this, click on this thing.

576 01:48:42.970 01:48:43.790 Shreya Chowdhury: Oh, okay.

577 01:48:45.750 01:48:46.780 Uttam Kumaran: Okay, there’s, like.

578 01:48:46.780 01:48:49.080 Shreya Chowdhury: Well, we have, yeah, yeah, we have benefits.

579 01:48:51.690 01:48:53.020 Uttam Kumaran: Alright, it’s not bad.

580 01:48:53.020 01:48:55.329 Shreya Chowdhury: No, yeah, we do have some stuff here, yeah.

581 01:48:55.330 01:48:57.970 Uttam Kumaran: See, this is more like, how do you sell this service? Like.

582 01:48:57.970 01:48:58.680 Shreya Chowdhury: Yeah.

583 01:48:58.930 01:49:03.650 Uttam Kumaran: But we probably wrote this with AI for some… something like a year ago or something.

584 01:49:04.060 01:49:04.690 Shreya Chowdhury: Yeah.

585 01:49:15.120 01:49:28.989 Shreya Chowdhury: Yeah. I mean, yeah, this is cool, I think. I think for this section, though, like, very nitpicky feedback, but since it’s just one sentence underneath, I don’t know if we need a caret for each one, like, we can just show, like, why it’s good.

586 01:49:29.400 01:49:31.030 Shreya Chowdhury: But as far as…

587 01:49:31.300 01:49:44.190 Shreya Chowdhury: Yeah, like, I don’t… like, Henry, I’m open to feedback on the example that I included in my playbook. We can probably, like, if we have time and bandwidth, we can make it more robust and, like, have,

588 01:49:44.440 01:49:49.059 Shreya Chowdhury: like, we can generate specific visuals for that and make it look nicer, too. Okay.

589 01:49:49.330 01:49:50.110 Shreya Chowdhury: Yeah.

590 01:49:50.840 01:50:00.660 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, so, like, I think one thing that I’m… when I go… I’ll go through and leave some notes, too. Mainly, I want to see, hopefully, we can reuse the structure, because for product analytics, we may do A-B testing.

591 01:50:00.900 01:50:17.640 Uttam Kumaran: we may have a couple of different sort of playbooks that we run. Yeah. And then, once we have those playbooks, it’s really easy. Like, you can then go to marketing, for example, you go to Hannah or Anne, and you can say, hey, I want to create, like, a one-page slide on this, or whatever, they’ll help you make that.

592 01:50:17.640 01:50:32.610 Shreya Chowdhury: That’s what I was aiming to do. My plan was, like, oh, like, have the internal playbook just as, like, you know, A-B testing for dummies, and then have, like, a really nice, presentable case. I just haven’t had time to complete that, and I think

593 01:50:32.610 01:50:44.969 Shreya Chowdhury: we wanted to get the internal part of the playbook done, like, complete that ticket by today, but after I wrap up a couple of other things, like, I plan to go back and make some edits to that and make it very, like.

594 01:50:46.400 01:50:49.640 Shreya Chowdhury: just look like we actually did a full A-B test.

595 01:50:49.640 01:50:54.809 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, part of this is hard because it’s a little bit, like, meta, like, we’re writing about…

596 01:50:55.410 01:50:56.930 Uttam Kumaran: What we would do.

597 01:50:56.930 01:51:04.390 Shreya Chowdhury: Yeah, exactly. So it’s not, like, the easiest thing, but also… Yeah, so I was gonna… I was gonna make, like, synthetic data and just walk through a really, like, easy…

598 01:51:04.390 01:51:05.530 Uttam Kumaran: Perfect, too, yeah.

599 01:51:05.530 01:51:06.020 Shreya Chowdhury: Yeah.

600 01:51:06.020 01:51:09.090 Uttam Kumaran: We could totally do that. One of the ways that we’ve

601 01:51:09.280 01:51:19.129 Uttam Kumaran: like, the way we did synthetic data in the past is I had… I had Cursor write me a synthetic data Python script, and then I just was running fake analysis on it.

602 01:51:19.130 01:51:26.379 Shreya Chowdhury: Yeah, that’s pretty much what I was gonna do. Also, if there’s, like, not that many rows, sometimes, like, now, like, GPT-5 and whatever will have the capacity.

603 01:51:26.380 01:51:27.290 Uttam Kumaran: Oh, yeah.

604 01:51:27.290 01:51:33.650 Shreya Chowdhury: genuinely, yeah, just give you, like, a CSV. Or we can use, like, a random public, like, data set,

605 01:51:34.070 01:51:34.959 Shreya Chowdhury: But, yeah.

606 01:51:35.190 01:51:39.720 Uttam Kumaran: Also, well, you… we also have our website data sitting somewhere.

607 01:51:39.850 01:51:42.889 Uttam Kumaran: You could run it on that. I don’t… yeah, that’s fine.

608 01:51:43.200 01:51:46.799 Uttam Kumaran: like, our Post Hog… we have our website behind Post Hog.

609 01:51:47.220 01:51:47.620 Shreya Chowdhury: It’s what I’.

610 01:51:47.620 01:51:49.919 Uttam Kumaran: really product, it’s more… that’d be more web data.

611 01:51:49.920 01:52:03.380 Shreya Chowdhury: Well, either way, I think we would still have to make synthetic data, because if we want to, like, I’m basically… it would be, like, a fake A-B test, so we would still have to pretend like, oh, we implemented, like, one feature, and then compare the results to another feature.

612 01:52:03.380 01:52:04.680 Uttam Kumaran: Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah. So, yeah, unless.

613 01:52:04.680 01:52:10.080 Shreya Chowdhury: we actually do that, regardless, like, some of the data is going to be fake no matter what. Yeah. Yeah.

614 01:52:11.710 01:52:21.050 Uttam Kumaran: One of the things that we also did, and I don’t… this one we did, like, this is more than, like, a year ago, but I… this is sort of, like, my crack dream on…

615 01:52:21.290 01:52:27.240 Uttam Kumaran: trying to use synthetic data is we, we created, like, fake

616 01:52:27.890 01:52:32.720 Uttam Kumaran: I don’t know, some of these may be aired out, but we created, like, fake, cost data.

617 01:52:32.970 01:52:42.169 Uttam Kumaran: I don’t know, some of these are maybe broken now, but basically, we wanted to go to, like, an e-commerce company and almost, like, show them, like, this is what your dashboard could look like.

618 01:52:42.450 01:52:47.530 Uttam Kumaran: Like, this is an example of a completely synthetic e-com data.

619 01:52:48.470 01:53:00.350 Uttam Kumaran: Where, like, we’ve generated all this, and that way, when I go to a sales meeting, I pull this up, and usually when we’re talking to people in a sales meeting, it’s, like, with CEOs or people where they’re just like, oh, damn, this would be super cool to have.

620 01:53:00.600 01:53:01.580 Uttam Kumaran: And…

621 01:53:01.980 01:53:15.869 Uttam Kumaran: But the problem is, every time, like, data is… data and buying from data companies is not as much of a… more of a tell, and I wanted to have something visual. So sometimes I pull this up, and I’m like, this is, like, for example, if you guys were selling cross…

622 01:53:16.110 01:53:26.879 Uttam Kumaran: like, digital across multiple marketplaces, and you want to filter to just Amazon, and then filter to one product, and I kind of do this, it’s a little flashy, they’re like, oh my god, this would be amazing to have this.

623 01:53:27.050 01:53:31.749 Uttam Kumaran: And that’s… that’s, like, that’s the close, right? So, usually, I’ve been…

624 01:53:31.930 01:53:36.729 Uttam Kumaran: I developed some of these synthetic data sets, like, more than a year ago, and I just threw them into

625 01:53:36.890 01:53:40.399 Uttam Kumaran: we have in our internal rail instance, I just tossed them in there.

626 01:53:40.600 01:53:41.600 Uttam Kumaran: And then I can…

627 01:53:41.750 01:53:48.540 Uttam Kumaran: bring it up during climbing. So honestly, any of the analysis that you do, even for those images, let’s just save somewhere, because

628 01:53:48.800 01:54:00.399 Uttam Kumaran: if we talk to someone technical, or if maybe we could put it up into here, and we can start flashing it up, or… I’ve even sent this to people. I’m like, here’s a version of what we can do for you, and it’s all synthetic, so it doesn’t matter.

629 01:54:00.730 01:54:01.470 Shreya Chowdhury: Yeah.

630 01:54:05.470 01:54:08.039 Uttam Kumaran: The script for this is somewhere, too, so, yeah.

631 01:54:11.150 01:54:15.650 Shreya Chowdhury: Yeah, definitely. I think I’ll spend some time today just, like, getting familiar with Mother Duck.

632 01:54:15.790 01:54:21.170 Shreya Chowdhury: And then, yeah, should be able to… hopefully I can drop some cool stuff.

633 01:54:22.250 01:54:25.030 Uttam Kumaran: Cool, and then we’ll meet tomorrow for the added time to our calendar.

634 01:54:25.420 01:54:27.059 Shreya Chowdhury: Okay, yeah, sounds good.

635 01:54:28.270 01:54:28.840 Uttam Kumaran: Cool.

636 01:54:28.840 01:54:32.350 Shreya Chowdhury: Well, me and Mustafa were just hanging in here, so we’ll have fun.

637 01:54:32.350 01:54:34.120 Uttam Kumaran: to keep hanging in here, so…

638 01:54:34.120 01:54:43.239 Shreya Chowdhury: Alright, cool, sounds good. Yeah, I’ll probably drop off and work on that stuff, and then, Henry, you and I can go through tomorrow and, like, polish a lot of that stuff up.

639 01:54:43.240 01:54:44.190 Henry Zhao: Okay, okay.

640 01:54:44.420 01:54:45.040 Shreya Chowdhury: Yeah.

641 01:54:46.330 01:54:49.000 Shreya Chowdhury: Alright. Thanks, guys.

642 01:54:49.000 01:54:50.130 Uttam Kumaran: Thank you!

643 01:54:50.430 01:54:51.480 Henry Zhao: Bye.

644 01:54:51.480 01:54:52.230 Uttam Kumaran: Bye.

645 01:54:52.230 01:54:52.900 Mustafa Raja: Ignite.

646 01:54:57.100 01:55:02.149 Uttam Kumaran: All… Right, so back to where we were.

647 01:56:07.830 01:56:10.480 Uttam Kumaran: So much context switching.

648 01:56:11.300 01:56:15.360 Uttam Kumaran: I just want to work on one thing right now.

649 01:56:16.970 01:56:18.920 Mustafa Raja: But that was interesting.

650 01:56:19.820 01:56:21.169 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, interesting call, right?

651 01:56:21.370 01:56:22.120 Mustafa Raja: Yeah.

652 01:56:23.490 01:56:27.270 Mustafa Raja: There’s so much that I want to do. Promising, promising engineers.

653 01:56:28.920 01:56:31.029 Mustafa Raja: They seem very promising engineers.

654 01:56:31.320 01:56:34.560 Uttam Kumaran: They’re really good, they’re really good. So, Shreya worked at Shopify before.

655 01:56:35.130 01:56:36.010 Mustafa Raja: Oh, nice.

656 01:56:36.600 01:56:37.740 Mustafa Raja: That’s big.

657 01:57:19.340 01:57:23.979 Mustafa Raja: So I have this report that I want to pull into the accounts, just so you know.

658 01:57:25.460 01:57:27.210 Mustafa Raja: how I would be able to do that.

659 01:57:32.670 01:57:33.449 Mustafa Raja: Or maybe a little.

660 01:57:33.450 01:57:34.580 Uttam Kumaran: Wait, what’s that again?

661 01:57:35.370 01:57:44.169 Mustafa Raja: This Shopify, sorry, this, Salesforce report that runs in, of 500 companies that they want to run.

662 01:57:44.400 01:57:46.499 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah. I just…

663 01:57:46.800 01:57:52.199 Mustafa Raja: there’s only one. Let me see if I can pull up the reports, though.

664 01:57:53.040 01:57:54.560 Mustafa Raja: In clay.

665 01:57:54.710 01:57:56.690 Mustafa Raja: That’ll change everything.

666 01:58:03.260 01:58:04.199 Mustafa Raja: move forward.

667 01:58:16.210 01:58:17.370 Mustafa Raja: professional teams.

668 02:19:43.680 02:19:46.700 Uttam Kumaran: Can we close that, that…

669 02:19:47.510 02:19:51.570 Uttam Kumaran: PR that’s open, or what was the latest on that?

670 02:19:53.000 02:19:53.989 Mustafa Raja: Which one?

671 02:19:59.620 02:20:00.929 Mustafa Raja: For the include one.

672 02:20:01.310 02:20:02.140 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah.

673 02:20:03.500 02:20:15.519 Mustafa Raja: We need to work on that, because, Let me… Excellent. Yeah, so,

674 02:20:16.130 02:20:27.059 Mustafa Raja: We have been changing the, init and what’s it called, the workflow a lot, and it really does depend on, how the workflow is structured.

675 02:20:27.360 02:20:31.330 Mustafa Raja: Now, at the time that PI was created.

676 02:20:31.430 02:20:39.450 Mustafa Raja: What we were doing, we were using the output that was generated by the main AI agent. But now we’re not using that, right?

677 02:20:41.660 02:20:48.579 Mustafa Raja: What we are doing is we are letting, a human in the loop decide which is the final result, right?

678 02:20:49.850 02:20:50.820 Uttam Kumaran: That’s correct.

679 02:20:51.330 02:20:55.359 Mustafa Raja: So, what we need to do is, we need to update it

680 02:20:55.690 02:21:07.929 Mustafa Raja: To use that one, rather than the one that… that… that is being generated by the main agent. And the other thing… the other problem is, at that point, the…

681 02:21:08.460 02:21:16.840 Mustafa Raja: main agent was giving us a string output. But now it’s, it’s a JSON output, so it isn’t going to work.

682 02:21:17.350 02:21:24.669 Mustafa Raja: So these two problems, we need to solve first. I guess I’m going to close that PR.

683 02:21:25.060 02:21:30.389 Mustafa Raja: I think that’s the better way. Yeah. Update the code a little bit.

684 02:21:32.190 02:21:36.880 Mustafa Raja: yeah, yeah, update the code, to have it…

685 02:21:37.150 02:21:40.719 Mustafa Raja: Work with human in the loop rather than the main agent.

686 02:21:41.060 02:21:43.020 Mustafa Raja: And then we should be good to go.

687 02:21:43.440 02:21:44.240 Uttam Kumaran: Okay, okay.

688 02:21:44.240 02:21:49.550 Mustafa Raja: I haven’t had the time to connect with Sam to update him on this, Aww.

689 02:21:49.670 02:21:50.640 Mustafa Raja: So, yeah.

690 02:21:52.420 02:21:58.900 Mustafa Raja: Yeah, it was good when it was created, but we have changed the workflow a lot after that.

691 02:21:59.290 02:22:00.629 Mustafa Raja: It’s outdated.

692 02:22:01.020 02:22:01.750 Uttam Kumaran: Okay.

693 02:22:12.430 02:22:14.449 Mustafa Raja: Let me close it, actually, because…

694 02:22:17.160 02:22:19.410 Mustafa Raja: It gives, what’s it called?

695 02:22:19.850 02:22:24.780 Mustafa Raja: Update… Every now and then, which isn’t good.

696 02:28:15.550 02:28:16.150 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah.

697 02:28:17.590 02:28:23.699 Mustafa Raja: So, do you know how can I, how can I, move, that… let me share my screen, actually.

698 02:28:25.990 02:28:29.519 Mustafa Raja: Sorry, you’ll have to switch contexts again.

699 02:28:29.520 02:28:30.380 Uttam Kumaran: You’re okay.

700 02:28:31.470 02:28:40.429 Mustafa Raja: But I’ve… So this is the report that Ryan generated, right? What I need is, I need to move these accounts

701 02:28:40.770 02:28:49.070 Mustafa Raja: into… Any of these account lists, bringForge. Yeah, this account list.

702 02:28:49.350 02:28:54.930 Mustafa Raja: Because, if not, then I’ll have to do a lot of work in clay to get these accounts over there.

703 02:28:57.900 02:28:58.810 Uttam Kumaran: Okay.

704 02:28:59.210 02:29:04.960 Mustafa Raja: Yeah… And I just don’t… can’t seem to find a way to,

705 02:29:05.260 02:29:10.530 Mustafa Raja: move these. What I need to do is… away.

706 02:29:11.010 02:29:12.330 Mustafa Raja: To trigger this.

707 02:29:15.170 02:29:16.440 Mustafa Raja: For them to be moved.

708 02:29:17.370 02:29:19.049 Uttam Kumaran: Can you write… can you click the edit?

709 02:29:21.150 02:29:24.419 Mustafa Raja: Yeah, I can, but these are 500 accounts.

710 02:29:25.700 02:29:26.620 Uttam Kumaran: Hmm.

711 02:29:27.250 02:29:28.579 Mustafa Raja: So I’ll have a quick 5-minute.

712 02:29:28.580 02:29:30.570 Uttam Kumaran: You can’t just pull this list, though, right?

713 02:29:31.630 02:29:33.510 Mustafa Raja: This one.

714 02:29:35.440 02:29:35.880 Uttam Kumaran: Yes.

715 02:29:35.880 02:29:43.690 Mustafa Raja: this report? Yeah, no, I couldn’t find appropriate trigger if we do report.

716 02:29:45.870 02:29:53.639 Mustafa Raja: it gives… it gives this, so what… I believe what it’s going to do is it’s going to just give us the reports.

717 02:29:54.250 02:29:57.270 Mustafa Raja: But we need the accounts.

718 02:29:57.810 02:30:00.050 Uttam Kumaran: Can you duplic- is there any way to duplicate this?

719 02:30:06.830 02:30:08.770 Mustafa Raja: We can export by CSV, I guess.

720 02:30:10.380 02:30:12.789 Uttam Kumaran: Click Save As, see if you can save it somewhere.

721 02:30:17.470 02:30:19.360 Uttam Kumaran: I just put Brain Forge Copy.

722 02:30:24.270 02:30:26.650 Mustafa Raja: There’s a limit.

723 02:30:26.930 02:30:28.980 Mustafa Raja: Let’s do this, then.

724 02:30:31.190 02:30:32.410 Mustafa Raja: Or…

725 02:30:38.180 02:30:45.660 Mustafa Raja: Oh… I guess this is good, right? Save it, right?

726 02:30:46.100 02:30:49.440 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, as long as you can see it through clay, it’s fine.

727 02:30:53.490 02:30:56.659 Mustafa Raja: I mean, it’s going to be in public reports, but then…

728 02:31:16.240 02:31:20.559 Uttam Kumaran: I guess I would just search for… Rain Forge, right?

729 02:31:43.430 02:31:49.600 Mustafa Raja: Let’s see what the folder has… One week report.

730 02:31:51.840 02:31:53.530 Mustafa Raja: 123 items.

731 02:31:54.580 02:31:57.920 Mustafa Raja: How many did we get 133?

732 02:32:04.560 02:32:05.599 Mustafa Raja: Yeah, this one.

733 02:32:09.290 02:32:10.250 Mustafa Raja: Hmm.

734 02:32:10.580 02:32:14.449 Mustafa Raja: But what I really need is the content within this report.

735 02:32:20.700 02:32:21.270 Uttam Kumaran: Yep.

736 02:32:24.260 02:32:27.150 Mustafa Raja: Oh, yeah, if I get the… if I get that…

737 02:32:33.420 02:32:34.500 Mustafa Raja: Mmm…

738 02:33:29.850 02:33:30.720 Mustafa Raja: Hmm.

739 02:33:30.900 02:33:31.630 Mustafa Raja: If…

740 02:35:57.050 02:36:03.899 Mustafa Raja: What I think I can do is… exported as CSV.

741 02:36:04.190 02:36:07.980 Mustafa Raja: And then what I can do, based on this account ID,

742 02:36:08.680 02:36:12.489 Mustafa Raja: I can update these accounts in Clay.

743 02:36:12.760 02:36:16.370 Mustafa Raja: To have the enrichment enabled.

744 02:36:16.540 02:36:19.210 Mustafa Raja: What’d you think about that?

745 02:36:21.970 02:36:22.940 Uttam Kumaran: Wait, say it again?

746 02:36:23.760 02:36:30.579 Mustafa Raja: So if you come over here, you can see that, in the report, I’ve added a new field, account ID.

747 02:36:31.410 02:36:32.030 Uttam Kumaran: Okay.

748 02:36:32.660 02:36:43.679 Mustafa Raja: What I can do, since we… since I’m unable to get the content of the report within the clay, what I’m thinking is, export it as CSV,

749 02:36:43.680 02:36:53.270 Mustafa Raja: upload over here as CSV, and then update accounts based on this account ID, and have this.

750 02:36:56.310 02:37:03.269 Uttam Kumaran: But I guess, like, what my question is, like, why can’t we see this rep… like, can we not create a report that is visible to us?

751 02:37:04.400 02:37:06.709 Uttam Kumaran: Like, what reports are visible to you now?

752 02:37:06.710 02:37:07.340 Mustafa Raja: Hmm.

753 02:37:07.440 02:37:16.749 Mustafa Raja: So what the report object is giving us is all of the reports that are in that particular folder.

754 02:37:17.000 02:37:18.080 Uttam Kumaran: Sure. So that…

755 02:37:18.080 02:37:18.860 Mustafa Raja: I have no other content.

756 02:37:18.860 02:37:20.100 Uttam Kumaran: There’s one print.

757 02:37:21.080 02:37:26.970 Uttam Kumaran: Okay, but then how do you… in the other clay tables, how did we get the… all the ideas.

758 02:37:26.970 02:37:35.549 Mustafa Raja: That, yeah, so that’s not, that… that’s not, the… Report, though, right? That’s accounts.

759 02:37:38.790 02:37:41.930 Uttam Kumaran: No, no, no, but I guess, like, how did we originally get…

760 02:37:42.290 02:37:44.570 Uttam Kumaran: Any of the account… any of the accounts.

761 02:37:45.720 02:37:53.500 Mustafa Raja: So, so the way accounts appear is that particular account has to have a check.

762 02:37:53.800 02:37:54.870 Mustafa Raja: enabled.

763 02:37:56.670 02:37:59.279 Mustafa Raja: Let me show you, actually.

764 02:38:00.840 02:38:01.860 Mustafa Raja: Rain Forge.

765 02:38:03.960 02:38:11.320 Mustafa Raja: So, for an account to be in this list, what needs to happen is this check needs to be enabled.

766 02:38:13.520 02:38:25.079 Mustafa Raja: And so initially, what I did is, and recently also, when Ryan gave us, the list of accounts, I would manually go to each account and enable this check.

767 02:38:30.530 02:38:31.730 Uttam Kumaran: Oh…

768 02:38:31.730 02:38:39.780 Mustafa Raja: But the problem with this report is this is 500… 500 accounts. I cannot go and do that.

769 02:38:40.610 02:38:42.559 Uttam Kumaran: But you can’t bulk modify.

770 02:38:43.560 02:38:45.980 Mustafa Raja: Yes,

771 02:38:47.440 02:38:59.840 Mustafa Raja: So, for bulk modifiers, I don’t know how I can do this, with staying within Salesforce, but the idea that I have is I can export this

772 02:39:00.260 02:39:08.720 Mustafa Raja: Since I already have the… what’s it called? The account ID over here. What I can then do is, based on this account ID,

773 02:39:08.850 02:39:12.860 Mustafa Raja: Update these accounts to have this check enabled.

774 02:39:14.990 02:39:15.880 Mustafa Raja: in clay.

775 02:39:15.880 02:39:21.990 Uttam Kumaran: Okay. That probably seems like… But you can’t do that bulk modification here.

776 02:39:25.200 02:39:26.590 Mustafa Raja: Yeah, seems like it.

777 02:39:29.270 02:39:29.950 Uttam Kumaran: Hmm.

778 02:39:30.440 02:39:31.340 Uttam Kumaran: Okay.

779 02:39:33.230 02:39:35.619 Uttam Kumaran: Okay, I feel like it makes sense.

780 02:39:38.430 02:39:40.500 Uttam Kumaran: I don’t know, I don’t think there’s another way, right?

781 02:39:41.660 02:39:42.450 Mustafa Raja: Yeah.

782 02:39:48.410 02:39:49.399 Mustafa Raja: The issue.

783 02:39:49.680 02:39:51.059 Mustafa Raja: Should’ve been, though.

784 02:40:13.050 02:40:14.420 Mustafa Raja: Can you see…

785 02:45:36.550 02:45:39.170 Mustafa Raja: How do you think the default work is going so far?

786 02:45:41.270 02:45:45.800 Uttam Kumaran: I think it’s okay, but I think we need to move faster.

787 02:45:48.200 02:45:54.689 Uttam Kumaran: Like, I think we’re waiting… like, it’s… it’s been almost, like, 6 weeks, I feel like we gotta move faster on some of these things.

788 02:45:55.780 02:46:00.739 Uttam Kumaran: The problem is, like, I’m the only one pushing things, so that’s why I’m trying to see, like, how…

789 02:46:00.980 02:46:03.440 Uttam Kumaran: I can increase the urgency a little bit.

790 02:46:04.710 02:46:05.629 Uttam Kumaran: You know?

791 02:46:06.280 02:46:07.110 Mustafa Raja: Yep.

792 02:46:07.600 02:46:13.210 Uttam Kumaran: Because I know we lost, like, we’re just gonna lose a couple days waiting for their feedback, so we have to keep pushing on our side.

793 02:46:15.970 02:46:16.660 Mustafa Raja: Yep.

794 02:46:17.260 02:46:17.630 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah.

795 02:46:17.810 02:46:18.310 Mustafa Raja: Hmm…

796 02:48:12.260 02:48:14.680 Mustafa Raja: Yeah, the list is updated.

797 02:48:16.320 02:48:17.330 Uttam Kumaran: Okay, great.

798 02:48:18.280 02:48:18.880 Mustafa Raja: Yeah.

799 02:48:21.060 02:48:23.689 Uttam Kumaran: So the ask for them was just to run it on the whole thing?

800 02:48:27.790 02:48:33.629 Mustafa Raja: Yeah, so remember you asked them, if they have any accounts that we can run this on?

801 02:48:33.940 02:48:35.289 Mustafa Raja: In the last meeting.

802 02:48:35.780 02:48:36.450 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah.

803 02:48:37.030 02:48:39.110 Mustafa Raja: Yeah, this is the report they gave us.

804 02:48:40.940 02:48:43.380 Mustafa Raja: These are a lot of accounts, though.

805 02:48:43.610 02:48:44.410 Mustafa Raja: Right?

806 02:48:45.680 02:48:47.180 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, we should run it, that’s fine.

807 02:48:47.910 02:48:48.550 Mustafa Raja: Okay.

808 02:48:48.950 02:48:50.530 Mustafa Raja: I’m just confirming it.

809 02:48:51.210 02:48:52.869 Mustafa Raja: I feel these are a lot.

810 02:48:53.610 02:48:54.870 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, I think we should do it.

811 02:48:55.860 02:48:59.389 Mustafa Raja: Okay, yeah, it’s going to run automatically.

812 02:49:03.990 02:49:05.969 Mustafa Raja: I think it’s going to run automatically.

813 02:49:06.210 02:49:06.910 Mustafa Raja: Let’s see…

814 02:49:11.980 02:49:12.869 Mustafa Raja: This thing.

815 02:49:25.800 02:49:30.229 Mustafa Raja: I think a day stack, Credits are going to run out, to be honest.

816 02:49:33.300 02:49:35.740 Uttam Kumaran: But I thought we’re not using their stack anymore.

817 02:49:36.770 02:49:38.860 Mustafa Raja: Where we are for the tools.

818 02:49:39.580 02:49:41.560 Uttam Kumaran: So you’re Yeah.

819 02:49:41.810 02:49:46.630 Mustafa Raja: A lot of tools that we won’t be able to get from the website itself, though, right?

820 02:49:46.630 02:49:47.280 Uttam Kumaran: Okay.

821 02:49:48.440 02:49:56.259 Mustafa Raja: Let’s just see what happens. Like, I just want to try to keep making progress and sending them updates, because we can’t wait more than a few days for some of these things.

822 02:49:56.780 02:49:58.530 Uttam Kumaran: Like, I just want to keep pushing.

823 02:50:03.450 02:50:05.970 Mustafa Raja: Oh, yeah, indeed, it’s every day.

824 02:50:07.290 02:50:12.719 Mustafa Raja: Okay, yeah, this report thing was a big pain, I was enablement too.

825 02:50:13.230 02:50:14.280 Mustafa Raja: I get it.

826 02:50:14.720 02:50:17.350 Mustafa Raja: In that list I have now.

827 02:50:17.720 02:50:19.070 Mustafa Raja: So what I’m going to do…

828 02:50:19.610 02:50:26.280 Mustafa Raja: Work on… work a little bit more on the… Tables, and then… I have the report run.

829 02:50:26.630 02:50:27.280 Uttam Kumaran: Okay.

830 02:50:30.240 02:50:30.930 Uttam Kumaran: Okay…

831 02:50:30.930 02:50:35.440 Mustafa Raja: And then… Hmm.

832 02:50:37.930 02:50:42.950 Mustafa Raja: for… this… I’m gonna go.

833 02:50:45.530 02:50:46.560 Mustafa Raja: This one…

834 02:51:25.660 02:51:27.350 Uttam Kumaran: Okay, I gotta jump.

835 02:51:28.540 02:51:29.950 Mustafa Raja: Yep, okay.

836 02:51:29.950 02:51:31.439 Uttam Kumaran: Okay. Thank you, dude.

837 02:51:31.440 02:51:33.310 Mustafa Raja: Bye. Yeah, thank you. Bye.