2025-07-09_brainforge_x_mcgaw_and_default_sync_46ad9d77

Meeting Title: Brainforge x McGaw and Default Sync Date: 2025-07-09 Meeting participants: Amber Lin, Uttam Kumaran

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1 00:13:01.960 ⇒ 00:13:03.150 Uttam Kumaran: Hello!

2 00:13:04.380 ⇒ 00:13:05.460 Amber Lin: Bye.

3 00:13:05.510 ⇒ 00:13:06.870 Uttam Kumaran: Bye.

4 00:13:07.140 ⇒ 00:13:09.490 Amber Lin: How are you? It’s so late for you.

5 00:13:10.098 ⇒ 00:13:13.050 Uttam Kumaran: I’m okay. I’m a bit sick today. So.

6 00:13:13.050 ⇒ 00:13:15.480 Amber Lin: Hey? No, yeah.

7 00:13:15.920 ⇒ 00:13:16.635 Amber Lin: Okay.

8 00:13:17.510 ⇒ 00:13:18.720 Amber Lin: We’ll keep it quick.

9 00:13:18.940 ⇒ 00:13:23.059 Amber Lin: I know this is an important meeting. So I think, having to make you feel better.

10 00:13:23.060 ⇒ 00:13:26.190 Uttam Kumaran: We don’t need to. We don’t need to make it quick. we’ll get through it.

11 00:13:26.190 ⇒ 00:13:30.649 Amber Lin: I mean, as long as you’re happy with it you’re sick. You get to make the call.

12 00:13:30.650 ⇒ 00:13:33.380 Uttam Kumaran: No, no, no, no! We have to have this meeting.

13 00:13:33.873 ⇒ 00:13:37.759 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah. So tell me which one you want to go through first.st

14 00:13:38.080 ⇒ 00:13:43.120 Amber Lin: So there’s bolt and macaw of.

15 00:13:43.590 ⇒ 00:13:49.379 Amber Lin: Can you tell me what our goals are for this discussion? For it?

16 00:13:49.700 ⇒ 00:13:50.989 Amber Lin: Both of these.

17 00:13:52.410 ⇒ 00:13:56.180 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah. So Mcgaw is a new partner of ours.

18 00:13:56.430 ⇒ 00:14:01.949 Uttam Kumaran: They’re an agency. They’re basically they implement this tool called segment.

19 00:14:04.550 ⇒ 00:14:07.380 Amber Lin: I see Robert showed me segment today.

20 00:14:07.380 ⇒ 00:14:17.030 Uttam Kumaran: Yes. So they implement segment. They’re like a number one segment partner, and they want to bring us in to handle data engineering

21 00:14:17.160 ⇒ 00:14:19.960 Uttam Kumaran: related tasks for their clients.

22 00:14:20.300 ⇒ 00:14:20.870 Amber Lin: Oh!

23 00:14:20.870 ⇒ 00:14:23.080 Uttam Kumaran: Basically like kind of like a subcontractor.

24 00:14:24.190 ⇒ 00:14:26.490 Amber Lin: Their clients can use segmentation.

25 00:14:27.711 ⇒ 00:14:34.460 Uttam Kumaran: Well, some of our clients use segment as well. But then they want to do a bunch of other stuff in addition to like

26 00:14:35.352 ⇒ 00:14:36.697 Uttam Kumaran: basically like,

27 00:14:38.400 ⇒ 00:14:45.370 Uttam Kumaran: joining segment data to other data, and like, sort of building data infrastructure on top of segment.

28 00:14:45.660 ⇒ 00:14:46.100 Amber Lin: Okay.

29 00:14:46.473 ⇒ 00:14:50.950 Uttam Kumaran: And they don’t possess the total data engineering capabilities that we have

30 00:14:51.686 ⇒ 00:15:04.879 Uttam Kumaran: and so, and we also don’t possess some of the more advanced segment capabilities that they have. So it’s a good partnership. The email I looped you guys into is that’s what the CEO of Mega

31 00:15:06.940 ⇒ 00:15:18.980 Uttam Kumaran: and basically, the reason I looped you guys in is because he’s basically

32 00:15:19.860 ⇒ 00:15:26.909 Uttam Kumaran: looking to bring us into several projects. But he wants to know, like, how do we typically work?

33 00:15:28.730 ⇒ 00:15:31.950 Uttam Kumaran: Like, what are like, what are our typical

34 00:15:32.120 ⇒ 00:15:36.377 Uttam Kumaran: sort of like services that we offer? And

35 00:15:38.290 ⇒ 00:15:42.729 Uttam Kumaran: yeah, basically, just understanding like what our sort of project monitor management process is.

36 00:15:43.280 ⇒ 00:15:46.680 Uttam Kumaran: I sort of read what Alex said, which was like.

37 00:15:47.706 ⇒ 00:15:50.550 Uttam Kumaran: What the ask is of the Pmo.

38 00:15:52.320 ⇒ 00:15:57.950 Uttam Kumaran: And the ask is pretty simple. You just need to answer those questions, so I don’t know. I don’t really want to wait until

39 00:15:58.300 ⇒ 00:16:01.869 Uttam Kumaran: Monday to answer this. We could probably answer it tonight, right? I don’t know.

40 00:16:01.870 ⇒ 00:16:02.400 Amber Lin: Okay.

41 00:16:02.570 ⇒ 00:16:07.390 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, I mean, basically, we just need to

42 00:16:08.810 ⇒ 00:16:15.449 Uttam Kumaran: like, just answer the couple of questions that he had. And so I just wanted to come from you guys.

43 00:16:16.360 ⇒ 00:16:21.450 Uttam Kumaran: Because you guys will be managing the projects or involved some way in managing the projects.

44 00:16:21.450 ⇒ 00:16:27.930 Amber Lin: Okay, yeah. So the goal for our discussion is just to

45 00:16:30.640 ⇒ 00:16:37.090 Amber Lin: to a quality check pass of those answers that we can send out, and then, probably ideally, today

46 00:16:37.350 ⇒ 00:16:40.350 Amber Lin: or early tomorrow, I’ll send out those answers.

47 00:16:41.030 ⇒ 00:16:42.436 Uttam Kumaran: Yes. Correct.

48 00:16:43.350 ⇒ 00:16:43.970 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah.

49 00:16:43.970 ⇒ 00:16:45.239 Amber Lin: About for default.

50 00:16:46.787 ⇒ 00:16:52.039 Uttam Kumaran: For default. I need like kind of like light project, management help.

51 00:16:53.025 ⇒ 00:16:56.740 Uttam Kumaran: Creating some tickets, scheduling some meetings?

52 00:16:59.910 ⇒ 00:17:05.840 Uttam Kumaran: And then just like kind of helping me get organized around goals for that project.

53 00:17:09.989 ⇒ 00:17:14.589 Uttam Kumaran: yeah, we have like kind of several threads there. So I kind of want to get at least like a

54 00:17:14.959 ⇒ 00:17:20.249 Uttam Kumaran: a weekly call set up with a couple of people, and then

55 00:17:21.549 ⇒ 00:17:26.709 Uttam Kumaran: I don’t think we’re gonna run it necessarily like an engineering sprint, because it’s mostly strategy work.

56 00:17:27.343 ⇒ 00:17:30.169 Uttam Kumaran: But I do. I will need some help, like

57 00:17:30.839 ⇒ 00:17:35.599 Uttam Kumaran: sort of scheduling with people, and then just making sure that we have like a board of of tasks.

58 00:17:35.829 ⇒ 00:17:37.509 Uttam Kumaran: so that I can execute them.

59 00:17:38.150 ⇒ 00:17:43.919 Uttam Kumaran: I’ll I’ll be like the kind of the lead me in a way. She’ll be kind of the lead solutions, folks, for that.

60 00:17:43.920 ⇒ 00:17:44.460 Amber Lin: Yeah.

61 00:17:46.500 ⇒ 00:17:49.589 Uttam Kumaran: So that one like it shouldn’t require much facetime.

62 00:17:49.590 ⇒ 00:17:52.999 Amber Lin: I see scheduling, as in with external stakeholders, or within.

63 00:17:53.000 ⇒ 00:17:53.330 Uttam Kumaran: Hmm.

64 00:17:53.330 ⇒ 00:17:54.370 Amber Lin: Stakeholders.

65 00:17:54.600 ⇒ 00:17:55.380 Uttam Kumaran: External.

66 00:17:55.380 ⇒ 00:17:55.840 Amber Lin: Okay.

67 00:17:57.920 ⇒ 00:18:01.600 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, okay.

68 00:18:05.370 ⇒ 00:18:09.599 Amber Lin: Okay. Discovery, scoping delivery process. Well.

69 00:18:09.700 ⇒ 00:18:25.520 Amber Lin: I think we have all of the I’m just looking at. We have all the delivery scoping delivery processes in the Pmo Doc. What are the sizes of their projects? Because they will differ, depending on how big they are.

70 00:18:27.065 ⇒ 00:18:31.170 Uttam Kumaran: Well, can we take some notes somewhere? I can just start. We can start to work on the answers together.

71 00:18:31.170 ⇒ 00:18:31.970 Amber Lin: Notes.

72 00:18:32.790 ⇒ 00:18:34.330 Uttam Kumaran: Is this a notion somewhere.

73 00:18:34.330 ⇒ 00:18:44.739 Amber Lin: Yes, let me share that with you. I’m transcribing, using notion.

74 00:18:45.210 ⇒ 00:18:53.309 Amber Lin: So it will be there for us to reference. I copied over Mcdaugh’s Mcgaw’s email,

75 00:18:56.490 ⇒ 00:18:57.720 Amber Lin: So.

76 00:19:02.080 ⇒ 00:19:06.439 Uttam Kumaran: Well, there also is a Maga partnerships page, so we can put it in there if you want.

77 00:19:06.810 ⇒ 00:19:14.970 Amber Lin: Okay, yeah. It’s just this meeting. We’re talking about 2 things. I’m gonna move it after this meeting is done. But.

78 00:19:14.970 ⇒ 00:19:18.240 Uttam Kumaran: Well, I just want to write some stuff right now. So like, where can I write stuff?

79 00:19:18.240 ⇒ 00:19:19.940 Amber Lin: Oh, I just sent you a

80 00:19:19.940 ⇒ 00:19:22.209 Amber Lin: oh, sorry. Sorry. Okay, I just saw.

81 00:19:22.210 ⇒ 00:19:26.980 Amber Lin: And it’s under Mcgow. So is on the partnership page.

82 00:19:27.160 ⇒ 00:19:27.770 Uttam Kumaran: Cool.

83 00:19:31.030 ⇒ 00:19:32.740 Uttam Kumaran: Great. So

84 00:19:38.310 ⇒ 00:19:39.730 Uttam Kumaran: so like.

85 00:19:40.220 ⇒ 00:19:46.710 Uttam Kumaran: I’m just gonna write down kind of what I said in the last meeting, which is, we typically run

86 00:19:47.030 ⇒ 00:19:58.230 Uttam Kumaran: to the for a week proof of concept or data that data, architecture, diagnostic.

87 00:20:00.340 ⇒ 00:20:17.759 Uttam Kumaran: Workflows, the deliverables for these or a data platform documentation, including ingestion modeling and data, viz.

88 00:20:19.470 ⇒ 00:20:23.609 Uttam Kumaran: This is an extensive Google sheets.

89 00:20:24.050 ⇒ 00:20:34.860 Uttam Kumaran: And you can attach the sample that we have. We, we do a data cost data platform cost audit.

90 00:20:35.020 ⇒ 00:20:44.840 Uttam Kumaran: We do a data, flow diagrammed

91 00:20:47.283 ⇒ 00:20:51.269 Uttam Kumaran: we also do a 3 to 6 month roadmap

92 00:20:53.242 ⇒ 00:20:57.739 Uttam Kumaran: and then we also meet and establish

93 00:21:02.960 ⇒ 00:21:14.000 Uttam Kumaran: understand concerns and needs from all stakeholders of the data team.

94 00:21:19.160 ⇒ 00:21:20.030 Uttam Kumaran: yeah.

95 00:21:20.450 ⇒ 00:21:21.439 Uttam Kumaran: And what wouldn’t.

96 00:21:21.440 ⇒ 00:21:28.350 Amber Lin: That I am using AI. I am pulling from the Pmo. Doc. I will paste that. There.

97 00:21:28.870 ⇒ 00:21:33.660 Uttam Kumaran: Cool. So yeah, ideally like this could get put into that. Pmo, Doc.

98 00:21:35.110 ⇒ 00:21:43.139 Uttam Kumaran: Let me get sample data deliverables.

99 00:22:24.288 ⇒ 00:22:26.052 Uttam Kumaran: Where is this?

100 00:23:16.640 ⇒ 00:23:21.030 Uttam Kumaran: Okay, we’ll make it easy for you to scope a project. Oops. Sorry

101 00:23:23.580 ⇒ 00:23:26.590 Amber Lin: And put discovery, and scoping under their.

102 00:23:26.966 ⇒ 00:23:27.720 Uttam Kumaran: Okay. Great.

103 00:23:27.720 ⇒ 00:23:33.469 Amber Lin: Okay, so just check what doesn’t align. I also need to read it.

104 00:23:38.510 ⇒ 00:23:52.279 Amber Lin: and also, I guess, for specifically for them, we need to define when and what processes we must be involved in, so that we can do our scoping properly.

105 00:23:53.670 ⇒ 00:23:57.120 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, so we offer 3 core service types. Right? We have our workshops.

106 00:24:00.710 ⇒ 00:24:02.220 Uttam Kumaran: We have our workshops.

107 00:24:02.460 ⇒ 00:24:04.070 Amber Lin: We have our.

108 00:24:04.580 ⇒ 00:24:14.140 Uttam Kumaran: Proof of concept slash audits, and we have our fully deployed teams right.

109 00:24:33.970 ⇒ 00:24:34.570 Uttam Kumaran: Yep.

110 00:24:36.014 ⇒ 00:24:38.766 Uttam Kumaran: How do you like to get spun up?

111 00:24:43.900 ⇒ 00:24:47.440 Uttam Kumaran: Oh, this is great. Yeah, it’s exactly it.

112 00:24:50.620 ⇒ 00:24:54.650 Amber Lin: Typically one. What does he mean? Spun up.

113 00:24:56.360 ⇒ 00:25:01.230 Uttam Kumaran: Like, how do like? Basically, that means like, how does he get our? How would he get our team involved?

114 00:25:01.560 ⇒ 00:25:02.360 Amber Lin: Oh!

115 00:25:03.330 ⇒ 00:25:05.810 Uttam Kumaran: So ideally like he could pitch.

116 00:25:06.470 ⇒ 00:25:17.330 Uttam Kumaran: Could. Basically, I mean, a couple of things is like you could bring us in.

117 00:25:17.330 ⇒ 00:25:28.599 Amber Lin: Talk about in the delivery process, or maybe in the discovery and scoping process of where we wish we want to get involved. I think that will be more helpful

118 00:25:28.910 ⇒ 00:25:32.239 Amber Lin: of like if if they have a sales call.

119 00:25:32.730 ⇒ 00:25:37.230 Amber Lin: what type, what maturity of the lead should we get involved in

120 00:25:37.850 ⇒ 00:25:47.670 Amber Lin: right? Or if they, if we have a project initiation, how are we getting involved like? Do you think that’s something we should tell him.

121 00:25:48.070 ⇒ 00:25:50.635 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah. So let’s let’s look at. Let’s look at

122 00:25:51.610 ⇒ 00:25:54.409 Uttam Kumaran: Like, let’s answer it all into this question.

123 00:25:54.410 ⇒ 00:25:58.300 Uttam Kumaran: Okay, so let’s say, as part of like co-selling.

124 00:25:59.830 ⇒ 00:26:09.800 Uttam Kumaran: Alright. So this is co-selling. You can bring us in within the scoping bays.

125 00:26:13.215 ⇒ 00:26:22.480 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, you can basically bring us in within the within the sales, discovery phase and proposal creation.

126 00:26:23.170 ⇒ 00:26:26.700 Uttam Kumaran: If they are existing clients.

127 00:26:27.587 ⇒ 00:26:35.400 Uttam Kumaran: We can help scope additional workloads

128 00:26:41.470 ⇒ 00:27:00.490 Uttam Kumaran: as it relates to data, warehousing data, engineering or analytics engineering if they

129 00:27:00.710 ⇒ 00:27:10.990 Uttam Kumaran: are just in need of a single resource, just

130 00:27:11.210 ⇒ 00:27:19.950 Uttam Kumaran: or strategy. We can also come on and work hourly that way.

131 00:27:33.450 ⇒ 00:27:35.539 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, I mean, I feel this is pretty good.

132 00:27:39.335 ⇒ 00:27:43.290 Amber Lin: Tingle source. And okay, so existing clients.

133 00:27:43.670 ⇒ 00:27:55.210 Amber Lin: Okay, so this is depending on their depending on filed needs and hicks.

134 00:27:58.080 ⇒ 00:28:00.740 Amber Lin: They can pick from the services above.

135 00:28:02.910 ⇒ 00:28:16.919 Amber Lin: So we can touch like scope additional workloads for strategy or work. Hourly.

136 00:28:19.670 ⇒ 00:28:30.480 Amber Lin: Guess is our engagements with them kind of like what we might have with kitesight kind of.

137 00:28:30.480 ⇒ 00:28:32.499 Uttam Kumaran: No like kitesight works for us.

138 00:28:32.850 ⇒ 00:28:34.060 Amber Lin: Oh, I see!

139 00:28:34.200 ⇒ 00:28:37.070 Uttam Kumaran: Like we would be, we would be working within their team.

140 00:28:38.250 ⇒ 00:28:48.149 Uttam Kumaran: Most likely it’s like they would own the engagement, so we may not even need. We may or may not need project management on the on our side. I’m not exactly sure yet

141 00:28:49.692 ⇒ 00:28:54.149 Uttam Kumaran: if they need just me to sit on student strategy stuff, and it doesn’t involve anybody else

142 00:28:54.290 ⇒ 00:28:58.989 Uttam Kumaran: versus if they they, if they need, like a Pm. And

143 00:29:00.320 ⇒ 00:29:04.970 Uttam Kumaran: 2 engineers from our side to just manage a single work stream. We can also do that.

144 00:29:05.830 ⇒ 00:29:06.590 Amber Lin: Okay?

145 00:29:07.330 ⇒ 00:29:13.620 Amber Lin: So I guess we have a few questions we need them to define. So they own the engagement right?

146 00:29:14.785 ⇒ 00:29:16.489 Uttam Kumaran: Seems like a yes.

147 00:29:16.490 ⇒ 00:29:22.630 Amber Lin: Okay, seems like it’s like a ball.

148 00:29:23.420 ⇒ 00:29:26.659 Amber Lin: I’m gonna ask if they need us to do project management.

149 00:29:26.830 ⇒ 00:29:30.980 Amber Lin: Oh.

150 00:29:39.890 ⇒ 00:29:46.929 Amber Lin: And just do strategy.

151 00:29:50.960 ⇒ 00:29:54.699 Amber Lin: she on hourly basis.

152 00:29:56.290 ⇒ 00:29:57.110 Amber Lin: Oh.

153 00:30:08.270 ⇒ 00:30:09.260 Amber Lin: okay.

154 00:30:14.470 ⇒ 00:30:17.430 Amber Lin: Okay. Delivery process.

155 00:30:38.184 ⇒ 00:30:47.359 Amber Lin: looking at the discovery and scoping process. Are we helping them doing discovery and scoping.

156 00:30:51.210 ⇒ 00:30:52.329 Uttam Kumaran: Wait say one more time.

157 00:30:52.500 ⇒ 00:30:56.790 Amber Lin: Are we helping Mcgow do discovery and scoping.

158 00:30:57.900 ⇒ 00:31:03.030 Uttam Kumaran: I think from his email, we may be involved in that process.

159 00:31:03.450 ⇒ 00:31:15.380 Uttam Kumaran: So I think there’s kind of 2 paths either we come in when they already have like re, like, for example, they may have clients that they want to add our services in because they can go charge more.

160 00:31:15.630 ⇒ 00:31:25.520 Uttam Kumaran: The second thing is, they may be they may have clients that they may have leads. They’re talking to that. They don’t. They can’t do the work we do. But in order to get that contract they need us.

161 00:31:27.000 ⇒ 00:31:29.331 Uttam Kumaran: So those are the 2 paths that I’m expecting.

162 00:31:59.000 ⇒ 00:31:59.840 Amber Lin: So

163 00:31:59.970 ⇒ 00:32:24.310 Amber Lin: I think, for co-selling. It’s pretty obvious, I’ll say, refer to our scope discovery and scope process below. I think, for existing clients. There’s 2 ways. So they either just assign us work. They have it all scoped out, and they assign us work, or

164 00:32:24.440 ⇒ 00:32:25.570 Amber Lin: we

165 00:32:26.090 ⇒ 00:32:34.439 Amber Lin: just do strategy. And they execute the work, and 3, we do strategy. We scope out the work, and we do that.

166 00:32:34.610 ⇒ 00:32:35.380 Uttam Kumaran: Correct.

167 00:32:35.550 ⇒ 00:32:43.420 Amber Lin: Okay, so I’m going to say, Brainforge just helps with strategy rainforge.

168 00:32:43.850 ⇒ 00:32:49.490 Amber Lin: So strategy scope.

169 00:32:58.650 ⇒ 00:33:10.020 Amber Lin: plus execution pay for it. Just that’s a case on tasks.

170 00:33:10.420 ⇒ 00:33:13.320 Amber Lin: Oh, both sides.

171 00:33:13.990 ⇒ 00:33:18.369 Amber Lin: Okay, I guess our scope.

172 00:33:19.466 ⇒ 00:33:25.590 Amber Lin: I’m gonna put down here is our scope

173 00:33:25.860 ⇒ 00:33:37.369 Amber Lin: data, warehousing data, engineering, analytics, engineering data, architecture, diagnostic. Can you fill out? Can you fill out the scope above of what we can cover?

174 00:33:38.680 ⇒ 00:33:43.120 Amber Lin: I think that will help them decide when and where to include us?

175 00:33:44.548 ⇒ 00:33:45.420 Uttam Kumaran: What do you mean?

176 00:33:45.420 ⇒ 00:33:47.510 Amber Lin: Oh, like.

177 00:33:47.690 ⇒ 00:33:57.189 Amber Lin: what are they gonna include us on like, what? What is we offer these things? What are? What does our strategy cover? Right we cover, we we do also.

178 00:33:57.430 ⇒ 00:34:07.370 Amber Lin: And a product analytics. I know that’s what Robert does like. What are we covering for them? I think it’ll be helpful to define our scope and our capabilities.

179 00:34:07.370 ⇒ 00:34:09.750 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, this is the scope, right? Like,

180 00:34:10.090 ⇒ 00:34:14.029 Amber Lin: Anything else, such as like product, analytics, or.

181 00:34:14.030 ⇒ 00:34:18.369 Uttam Kumaran: Like they’re they’re so they do product analytics like, that’s what their company does.

182 00:34:18.370 ⇒ 00:34:20.229 Amber Lin: They don’t need us for that.

183 00:34:20.379 ⇒ 00:34:23.819 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, I guess that’s what I’m trying to say is like they.

184 00:34:23.820 ⇒ 00:34:24.370 Amber Lin: Okay.

185 00:34:24.370 ⇒ 00:34:32.120 Uttam Kumaran: As as it relates to why this pull partnership happened. It’s because they’re interested in sort of this work. So.

186 00:34:32.300 ⇒ 00:34:33.670 Amber Lin: Okay, great

187 00:34:36.540 ⇒ 00:34:39.969 Amber Lin: What would make it then, I guess.

188 00:34:41.239 ⇒ 00:34:50.060 Amber Lin: Well, we look at the 2 paths right? I think we do.

189 00:34:54.320 ⇒ 00:34:59.610 Amber Lin: So for this one A to A

190 00:34:59.770 ⇒ 00:35:06.189 Amber Lin: in 2 B needs us to be involved in discovery and scoping.

191 00:35:12.210 ⇒ 00:35:13.370 Amber Lin: So

192 00:35:16.140 ⇒ 00:35:18.060 Uttam Kumaran: Why don’t we talk about.

193 00:35:18.950 ⇒ 00:35:24.400 Amber Lin: Talk about that of what makes it easy to

194 00:35:24.730 ⇒ 00:35:37.870 Amber Lin: do scoping. So I guess the 1st that comes to mind is that we’re gonna need to be on the call, or we’re gonna need context of the client or we need, we might need facetime with their client

195 00:35:38.400 ⇒ 00:35:44.960 Amber Lin: and to get hold of their stakeholders like. That’s the immediate things that that comes to mind.

196 00:35:56.230 ⇒ 00:36:01.880 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, this is where I’m not sure, like we may need to discuss with them, or or maybe leave it as open questions.

197 00:36:05.990 ⇒ 00:36:11.619 Uttam Kumaran: Because I guess, like I don’t know whether they like. This is where I think it depends on how they bring us in.

198 00:36:11.850 ⇒ 00:36:15.889 Uttam Kumaran: like if they bring us in as Brain Forge, or if they bring us in under Mcaw

199 00:36:16.180 ⇒ 00:36:20.940 Uttam Kumaran: and like, we sort of don’t really talk about us. I’m not sure yet what what their plan is.

200 00:36:30.990 ⇒ 00:36:37.190 Amber Lin: Okay? So I’m gonna just type out a few open questions here.

201 00:37:14.640 ⇒ 00:37:24.990 Amber Lin: Okay, put it down here. Simple.

202 00:37:25.170 ⇒ 00:37:27.250 Amber Lin: Deliver pools.

203 00:37:49.440 ⇒ 00:37:55.020 Amber Lin: 8. And I think, for deliverables. Anything

204 00:37:55.310 ⇒ 00:37:58.610 Amber Lin: else we should put in the sample deliverable section.

205 00:38:07.390 ⇒ 00:38:09.610 Uttam Kumaran: I think that’s fine.

206 00:38:09.890 ⇒ 00:38:12.010 Amber Lin: Okay, dashboards.

207 00:38:14.140 ⇒ 00:38:18.900 Amber Lin: We have pretty sick dashboards for Eden, they said. They want us to do bi.

208 00:38:21.510 ⇒ 00:38:28.030 Uttam Kumaran: Not really like. They want to bring us on for data engineering stuff. So I don’t think it’s worth putting the dashboards in.

209 00:38:28.300 ⇒ 00:38:29.090 Amber Lin: Okay.

210 00:38:29.090 ⇒ 00:38:32.010 Uttam Kumaran: I think these 4 dashboards are.

211 00:38:34.290 ⇒ 00:38:42.459 Uttam Kumaran: I think these are all really great like if they look at these, this is fine, and we have an nda with them, so we can share client stuff if needed.

212 00:38:42.640 ⇒ 00:38:43.410 Amber Lin: Okay.

213 00:38:44.770 ⇒ 00:38:48.885 Uttam Kumaran: But I think I mean, you know, I’m I’m I’m gonna I’m gonna ask

214 00:38:49.900 ⇒ 00:38:55.619 Uttam Kumaran: like, I’m gonna see if we can create sort of like fake versions of the urban stems

215 00:38:56.240 ⇒ 00:39:02.119 Uttam Kumaran: like, I should put that down actually, somewhere. But I want to create a fake version of your urban stems proposal as well.

216 00:39:03.172 ⇒ 00:39:04.500 Amber Lin: Is it just

217 00:39:04.910 ⇒ 00:39:10.379 Amber Lin: engagement? Or are you gonna use it elsewhere? If it’s just for this, you can just make a comment to do that.

218 00:39:11.180 ⇒ 00:39:13.070 Uttam Kumaran: No, I’m gonna use it. We’re gonna use elsewhere.

219 00:39:13.070 ⇒ 00:39:13.625 Amber Lin: Okay.

220 00:39:14.180 ⇒ 00:39:14.690 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah.

221 00:39:14.690 ⇒ 00:39:22.799 Amber Lin: I can make a ticket in sales or make a ticket and project management. I feel like it’s more fitting to put in sales, but I don’t know if you remember.

222 00:39:22.800 ⇒ 00:39:24.709 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, let me put into sales.

223 00:39:24.710 ⇒ 00:39:25.550 Amber Lin: Okay.

224 00:39:27.500 ⇒ 00:39:29.240 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, I’m just gonna put like,

225 00:39:59.220 ⇒ 00:40:02.009 Uttam Kumaran: Oh, I really wish Sid was here. It sucks.

226 00:40:02.240 ⇒ 00:40:03.389 Amber Lin: I know.

227 00:40:12.330 ⇒ 00:40:14.700 Uttam Kumaran: Okay, that’s fine.

228 00:41:20.730 ⇒ 00:41:26.638 Amber Lin: So for our 2 to 4, for a quick diagnostic and proof of concept,

229 00:41:27.800 ⇒ 00:41:35.060 Amber Lin: do we always output like a architecture, diagram or diagnostic.

230 00:41:35.060 ⇒ 00:41:36.830 Amber Lin: Yes, we do.

231 00:41:36.830 ⇒ 00:41:44.210 Amber Lin: Do we all output like a Poc somewhat like product? Or is that depending on the situation.

232 00:41:44.840 ⇒ 00:41:50.829 Uttam Kumaran: It sort of depends, like, if we can isolate like a a sort of short term deliverable.

233 00:41:51.640 ⇒ 00:41:55.849 Uttam Kumaran: Then we will, but for like, for for urban stems.

234 00:41:56.470 ⇒ 00:42:00.259 Uttam Kumaran: It was so much that my deliverable was like a plan.

235 00:42:00.920 ⇒ 00:42:01.960 Amber Lin: Right.

236 00:42:02.160 ⇒ 00:42:09.319 Uttam Kumaran: But for Fan Stake, my deliverable is like, I’m helping them clean up some Google sheets, you know. So.

237 00:42:09.470 ⇒ 00:42:12.230 Amber Lin: I see. So I think it.

238 00:42:12.360 ⇒ 00:42:23.210 Amber Lin: If I’ll say, depending on project size, very short term for local proof of concept.

239 00:42:23.480 ⇒ 00:42:24.420 Amber Lin: Okay.

240 00:42:53.410 ⇒ 00:43:01.860 Amber Lin: I don’t think we create with scoping after discovery. I always thought scoping was sales.

241 00:43:05.120 ⇒ 00:43:09.479 Amber Lin: It’s very. It’s a little bit mixed up in our in our company.

242 00:43:10.354 ⇒ 00:43:11.529 Uttam Kumaran: What do you mean?

243 00:43:12.620 ⇒ 00:43:21.639 Amber Lin: When we say scoping, do you mean sales scoping a scope of work, or does it mean me scoping the tickets, roadmap, etcetera.

244 00:43:21.960 ⇒ 00:43:24.330 Uttam Kumaran: That in this context, it’s sales.

245 00:43:24.878 ⇒ 00:43:30.450 Amber Lin: Okay, good. That’s all I need to know. I’m gonna say, sales soap process.

246 00:43:30.450 ⇒ 00:43:34.270 Uttam Kumaran: You can say, typically it’s called sales discovery sales discovery, scoping.

247 00:43:34.610 ⇒ 00:43:42.300 Amber Lin: Okay, so our initial.

248 00:43:47.000 ⇒ 00:43:51.099 Amber Lin: Okay, so for sales scoping, I’m gonna say.

249 00:43:51.390 ⇒ 00:44:03.570 Amber Lin: we, we typically look for a rough idea desired outcomes access to their current systems and a 30 min intake call, and from there we’ll draft a light scope of work.

250 00:44:05.320 ⇒ 00:44:06.040 Amber Lin: Okay.

251 00:44:06.180 ⇒ 00:44:08.409 Amber Lin: And then from there.

252 00:44:08.410 ⇒ 00:44:15.532 Uttam Kumaran: To give you one more point there. And actually, this is probably this is actually a pretty good meeting to kind of record, because you’re hearing some of this. But

253 00:44:17.770 ⇒ 00:44:24.060 Uttam Kumaran: For some clients, if they if it if we don’t, if we if we keep meeting with them, and it’s still not clear we can get

254 00:44:24.966 ⇒ 00:44:29.590 Uttam Kumaran: what we need. We do. We do paid discovery usually like

255 00:44:30.660 ⇒ 00:44:32.620 Uttam Kumaran: 2, 50, an hour or so.

256 00:44:32.620 ⇒ 00:44:38.649 Amber Lin: Hmm, so can can. I’m gonna write that down as

257 00:44:38.810 ⇒ 00:44:49.810 Amber Lin: if the initial discovery is not sufficient to uncover issues.

258 00:44:50.200 ⇒ 00:45:00.110 Amber Lin: We do additional paid discovery at $250 an hour.

259 00:45:01.790 ⇒ 00:45:02.580 Amber Lin: Yay.

260 00:45:20.599 ⇒ 00:45:28.330 Amber Lin: In scoping. We don’t yet involve project management right? We don’t yet need tickets when we’re.

261 00:45:28.330 ⇒ 00:45:29.970 Uttam Kumaran: Not no, no, no, not necessarily.

262 00:45:29.970 ⇒ 00:45:30.560 Amber Lin: Okay.

263 00:45:30.560 ⇒ 00:45:39.320 Uttam Kumaran: Usually it’s like at the S at the basically at the scope of work, like I would say, we only move to tickets once things are signed.

264 00:45:39.570 ⇒ 00:45:40.070 Amber Lin: Yeah.

265 00:45:40.070 ⇒ 00:45:44.189 Uttam Kumaran: And that’s like, when I was talking to Alex, I was like, cool. Do you guys need a week or 2 weeks like.

266 00:45:45.030 ⇒ 00:45:46.230 Amber Lin: I don’t like.

267 00:45:47.020 ⇒ 00:45:48.999 Amber Lin: Yeah, we’ll we’ll see

268 00:45:50.007 ⇒ 00:45:59.150 Amber Lin: on the current limitations. It’s whatever you can give us. So for me, it doesn’t really matter. After.

269 00:45:59.150 ⇒ 00:46:00.990 Uttam Kumaran: I know, I know, but I’m but I’m.

270 00:46:00.990 ⇒ 00:46:01.420 Amber Lin: Roger.

271 00:46:01.420 ⇒ 00:46:03.850 Uttam Kumaran: But this is this is our contract right? Like.

272 00:46:04.470 ⇒ 00:46:10.969 Uttam Kumaran: I can always push back on like for me, I’m gonna play middle right so I can always push back on sales.

273 00:46:11.380 ⇒ 00:46:20.589 Uttam Kumaran: But I’m telling you if you tell me one day, turnaround, and it’s gonna be that way. So you should. You shouldn’t say that, cause it’ll you should just say 2 weeks.

274 00:46:21.030 ⇒ 00:46:22.930 Uttam Kumaran: and then we’ll meet in the middle of one week.

275 00:46:23.190 ⇒ 00:46:23.890 Amber Lin: Okay.

276 00:46:23.890 ⇒ 00:46:25.780 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, cause I would never.

277 00:46:25.780 ⇒ 00:46:28.892 Uttam Kumaran: I can’t. Then I can’t. You can tell me you need it. I just can’t.

278 00:46:29.100 ⇒ 00:46:35.479 Uttam Kumaran: No, but I but I think it’s like you don’t. Wanna do. You? Don’t wanna get put in a position where you just say no, and we’ve promised the client something.

279 00:46:35.480 ⇒ 00:46:36.920 Amber Lin: Oh, oh, okay. Okay.

280 00:46:36.920 ⇒ 00:46:39.390 Uttam Kumaran: That’s the downstream implication, right?

281 00:46:39.390 ⇒ 00:46:40.440 Amber Lin: I see.

282 00:46:41.660 ⇒ 00:46:42.330 Amber Lin: Then I’m.

283 00:46:42.330 ⇒ 00:46:44.720 Uttam Kumaran: Because we could have just as easily set another date.

284 00:46:47.220 ⇒ 00:47:01.460 Amber Lin: Well, well, the contract is signed, or close to signing. The involves the Pmo to build out

285 00:47:02.650 ⇒ 00:47:04.380 Amber Lin: a clear.

286 00:47:08.820 ⇒ 00:47:13.710 Amber Lin: Oh, no project manager.

287 00:47:16.280 ⇒ 00:47:23.020 Amber Lin: But clear, think it’s

288 00:47:26.130 ⇒ 00:47:27.010 Amber Lin: good.

289 00:47:32.340 ⇒ 00:47:33.260 Amber Lin: Okay?

290 00:47:44.380 ⇒ 00:47:45.909 Amber Lin: And I think

291 00:47:47.740 ⇒ 00:47:59.490 Amber Lin: after the we offer 3 core services, I’m gonna add a note to say, our clients usually start at stage 2, which is proof of concept and audits, and grow into 3 fully deployed.

292 00:47:59.490 ⇒ 00:47:59.860 Uttam Kumaran: Okay.

293 00:47:59.860 ⇒ 00:48:05.940 Amber Lin: And I’m gonna say you can. He can see how we do it later.

294 00:48:59.400 ⇒ 00:49:00.850 Amber Lin: You have a cold.

295 00:49:01.970 ⇒ 00:49:03.780 Uttam Kumaran: I don’t even know what I have.

296 00:49:04.070 ⇒ 00:49:04.670 Uttam Kumaran: Oh, God!

297 00:49:05.920 ⇒ 00:49:10.809 Uttam Kumaran: Seems like a cold. I just don’t get sick that often. So I I used to be pretty like good

298 00:49:10.990 ⇒ 00:49:19.250 Uttam Kumaran: about like oh, I’m like, I know exactly when I’m getting sick. But I think, after like college and after not living in New York. I don’t get sick anymore.

299 00:49:19.580 ⇒ 00:49:20.400 Amber Lin: Huh!

300 00:49:20.800 ⇒ 00:49:24.839 Uttam Kumaran: Because I actually eat food and sleep and like don’t drink nearly as much.

301 00:49:24.840 ⇒ 00:49:25.840 Amber Lin: I see.

302 00:49:29.130 ⇒ 00:49:31.119 Uttam Kumaran: Oh, you know I got a juice machine

303 00:49:33.170 ⇒ 00:49:36.120 Uttam Kumaran: dude. Oh, my God! Game changer!

304 00:49:36.880 ⇒ 00:49:38.490 Uttam Kumaran: Such a game changer!

305 00:49:41.130 ⇒ 00:49:44.889 Uttam Kumaran: Make like celery and apple and carrot juice.

306 00:49:45.970 ⇒ 00:49:47.200 Amber Lin: Wow!

307 00:49:47.650 ⇒ 00:49:49.620 Uttam Kumaran: I got on sale. It was 80 bucks.

308 00:49:50.060 ⇒ 00:49:50.920 Amber Lin: Huh!

309 00:49:51.820 ⇒ 00:49:57.139 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, I was like a I. There’s a kitchen store that’s that was going out of

310 00:49:57.470 ⇒ 00:49:59.090 Uttam Kumaran: out of service. So.

311 00:50:03.310 ⇒ 00:50:04.430 Amber Lin: Very cool.

312 00:50:10.270 ⇒ 00:50:21.650 Amber Lin: Oh, okay, I’m gonna make this a okay.

313 00:50:43.460 ⇒ 00:50:44.370 Amber Lin: Okay?

314 00:50:46.090 ⇒ 00:50:46.870 Uttam Kumaran: Right.

315 00:50:50.056 ⇒ 00:50:54.990 Amber Lin: His last question, how do we de-risk diagnose

316 00:50:55.390 ⇒ 00:51:02.380 Amber Lin: diagnostics based on how you work, how and how aligned on

317 00:51:02.910 ⇒ 00:51:07.539 Amber Lin: monthly expectations of a proposed plan.

318 00:51:07.810 ⇒ 00:51:11.269 Amber Lin: Think there’s a few things he’s talking about?

319 00:51:12.070 ⇒ 00:51:15.309 Amber Lin: What does he mean? Diagnostic? 1st of all.

320 00:51:23.250 ⇒ 00:51:26.640 Uttam Kumaran: How do we de-risk our diagnostics?

321 00:51:29.470 ⇒ 00:51:33.420 Uttam Kumaran: I don’t know. That whole sentence seems like AI generated. I don’t even know what the fuck.

322 00:51:33.420 ⇒ 00:51:35.949 Amber Lin: I don’t know what he’s talking about.

323 00:51:36.140 ⇒ 00:51:43.199 Uttam Kumaran: How do we do all like big consulting where it’s like, what the fuck do you risk our diagnostic.

324 00:51:43.200 ⇒ 00:51:46.429 Amber Lin: I guess his point is, is, what are some brisk

325 00:51:46.720 ⇒ 00:51:49.339 Amber Lin: risks during diagnostics? I think that.

326 00:51:49.340 ⇒ 00:51:56.919 Uttam Kumaran: I don’t know. I honestly think like, what you’ve said is probably fine, or this is AI. It seems fine.

327 00:52:00.570 ⇒ 00:52:01.330 Uttam Kumaran: Okay.

328 00:52:06.170 ⇒ 00:52:15.540 Amber Lin: Okay, I just asked AI, what are some risks during diagnostics? And I will copy that over

329 00:52:26.070 ⇒ 00:52:29.099 Amber Lin: align on monthly expectations.

330 00:52:29.450 ⇒ 00:52:30.850 Amber Lin: Okay?

331 00:52:32.080 ⇒ 00:52:37.940 Amber Lin: Like a monthly expectations as in how much they pay us, how much we work.

332 00:52:38.260 ⇒ 00:52:39.849 Amber Lin: I guess there’s a risk.

333 00:52:40.260 ⇒ 00:52:52.150 Amber Lin: Oh, of name, Forge, working more hours and contracted

334 00:52:58.430 ⇒ 00:53:00.360 Amber Lin: What else?

335 00:53:07.700 ⇒ 00:53:16.220 Amber Lin: It’s so, or disagreements on payment terms.

336 00:53:17.450 ⇒ 00:53:18.370 Amber Lin: Okay?

337 00:53:19.690 ⇒ 00:53:26.799 Amber Lin: And also quality of work delivered.

338 00:53:27.730 ⇒ 00:53:28.560 Amber Lin: Okay?

339 00:53:31.810 ⇒ 00:53:32.920 Amber Lin: Great.

340 00:53:33.680 ⇒ 00:53:37.170 Amber Lin: I’m gonna give him a lot of risks.

341 00:54:31.490 ⇒ 00:54:33.819 Amber Lin: ambiguous or shifting. So

342 00:54:39.830 ⇒ 00:54:45.650 Amber Lin: hey, access, complete board documentation.

343 00:54:52.930 ⇒ 00:55:01.090 Amber Lin: Can you look at the risk? It added. I feel like some of them are not applicable.

344 00:55:02.640 ⇒ 00:55:07.020 Amber Lin: Just delete it, just delete it if you don’t think it makes sense.

345 00:55:07.020 ⇒ 00:55:08.244 Uttam Kumaran: At the bottom. Here.

346 00:55:08.550 ⇒ 00:55:11.449 Amber Lin: With the risks. I’m just adding,

347 00:55:41.880 ⇒ 00:55:43.059 Uttam Kumaran: So I just delete them.

348 00:55:43.480 ⇒ 00:55:46.059 Amber Lin: Yeah. And if it doesn’t make sense, just delete it.

349 00:55:46.640 ⇒ 00:55:49.709 Uttam Kumaran: I think some of these are like everybody knows it, anyways, so.

350 00:55:49.710 ⇒ 00:55:50.950 Amber Lin: Yeah, I agree.

351 00:55:54.840 ⇒ 00:55:57.170 Amber Lin: Feel like that doesn’t make sense.

352 00:56:16.035 ⇒ 00:56:16.529 Uttam Kumaran: Demo.

353 00:56:42.970 ⇒ 00:56:49.880 Amber Lin: Okay, that’s all. From a call I have. I don’t have any objections.

354 00:56:50.180 ⇒ 00:56:50.900 Amber Lin: He will.

355 00:56:50.900 ⇒ 00:56:51.400 Uttam Kumaran: Okay.

356 00:56:51.400 ⇒ 00:56:56.440 Amber Lin: Do we have any out any more outstanding questions? We need to ask him.

357 00:57:00.960 ⇒ 00:57:07.690 Uttam Kumaran: No, I mean, I think, again, my job is to loop you guys into anything that smells like Pm, stuff. And

358 00:57:07.690 ⇒ 00:57:08.130 Uttam Kumaran: okay.

359 00:57:08.130 ⇒ 00:57:20.645 Uttam Kumaran: also, my job is to loop the team in anytime. So I just wanna make sure you guys are aware, I’m really, I’m really interested. If if they if he’s gonna get back to us with stuff. So that’s sort of my

360 00:57:21.730 ⇒ 00:57:25.989 Amber Lin: Yeah, I’m gonna send this document to Alex.

361 00:57:26.590 ⇒ 00:57:27.660 Uttam Kumaran: Bye.

362 00:57:34.806 ⇒ 00:57:43.820 Amber Lin: Okay, great, that’s all for macaw. I guess we can move on to default.

363 00:57:48.370 ⇒ 00:57:50.550 Amber Lin: Okay, I’m gonna open.

364 00:57:51.600 ⇒ 00:57:58.640 Amber Lin: I know there’s a document for sales that we originally had.

365 00:58:04.560 ⇒ 00:58:13.040 Amber Lin: I’m gonna open that. And we can also, oh.

366 00:58:16.590 ⇒ 00:58:17.880 Amber Lin: so okay.

367 00:58:24.460 ⇒ 00:58:26.940 Amber Lin: should we have a roadmap for?

368 00:58:27.520 ⇒ 00:58:33.630 Amber Lin: Okay, yes, we have phase, one phase, 2,

369 00:58:33.918 ⇒ 00:58:38.250 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, tell me if you’re looking, you’re looking somewhere that’d be helpful. I can type.

370 00:58:38.250 ⇒ 00:58:41.299 Amber Lin: Yes, I will send it in our chat.

371 00:58:42.510 ⇒ 00:58:47.739 Amber Lin: I’m looking here. I do want to convert that into a

372 00:58:47.940 ⇒ 00:58:52.169 Amber Lin: roadmap, or at least a project management plan.

373 00:58:53.790 ⇒ 00:58:59.049 Amber Lin: Can I copy the S cause? We have the sow?

374 00:59:02.520 ⇒ 00:59:05.989 Amber Lin: How long is this engagement? Where does this say that.

375 00:59:06.830 ⇒ 00:59:13.019 Uttam Kumaran: This is until this. Well, Megan told me, there’s No. 31st of September, but it’s 31st of September.

376 00:59:13.020 ⇒ 00:59:13.484 Amber Lin: Okay.

377 00:59:15.740 ⇒ 00:59:18.729 Amber Lin: July until

378 00:59:24.620 ⇒ 00:59:26.939 Amber Lin: 3, rd 2025.

379 00:59:29.090 ⇒ 00:59:33.450 Amber Lin: Okay, so, or is

380 00:59:33.630 ⇒ 00:59:44.340 Amber Lin: I left? I saw that there is phase one and 2 oh, phase one until 3. We plan to complete all 3 phases in this timeframe. Right?

381 00:59:50.680 ⇒ 00:59:52.369 Amber Lin: I can share my screen. I’ll share.

382 00:59:52.370 ⇒ 00:59:55.063 Uttam Kumaran: Oh, I I’m I’m reading. I’m reading it.

383 01:00:00.000 ⇒ 01:00:02.650 Uttam Kumaran: Yes, so I think

384 01:00:09.800 ⇒ 01:00:13.470 Uttam Kumaran: Okay, let me let me let me get some more films for you.

385 01:00:14.950 ⇒ 01:00:20.700 Uttam Kumaran: My coffee’s hitting. Nice I was. I was like so dead not to talk to you.

386 01:00:21.060 ⇒ 01:00:24.179 Amber Lin: Oh, God! It’s 7, 40.

387 01:00:24.520 ⇒ 01:00:28.900 Uttam Kumaran: Oh, my God! I know I was literally like about to die.

388 01:00:29.130 ⇒ 01:00:37.070 Amber Lin: Yeah, the the different phases you added, either you added, or someone else added, is at the bottom.

389 01:01:15.720 ⇒ 01:01:20.509 Amber Lin: So for 3 months we are going to give them a roadmap.

390 01:01:22.020 ⇒ 01:01:32.012 Uttam Kumaran: Well, it’s gonna be a mix but let me kind of tell you a little bit. Let me just get you get some information. I just created a slack channel and let me get some

391 01:01:32.480 ⇒ 01:01:32.835 Amber Lin: Yeah.

392 01:01:34.260 ⇒ 01:01:51.419 Amber Lin: I’m going to copy everything in that lead document to a roadmap, Doc, and I’m gonna just edit there. I will send you the link to the roadmap it’s in. I will send it in the new sock channel when you include me.

393 01:01:52.190 ⇒ 01:01:55.119 Amber Lin: and then we can edit here.

394 01:01:55.460 ⇒ 01:01:58.380 Amber Lin: It’s a partnership default.

395 01:01:59.030 ⇒ 01:02:02.869 Uttam Kumaran: So we we are also a partner of theirs, because we did a webinar with them. Remember.

396 01:02:02.870 ⇒ 01:02:04.010 Amber Lin: Oh!

397 01:02:04.010 ⇒ 01:02:06.489 Uttam Kumaran: So my friend Caitlin is like head of product.

398 01:02:06.490 ⇒ 01:02:10.540 Amber Lin: I see. So okay, we have a client channel. Awesome.

399 01:02:11.412 ⇒ 01:02:15.828 Amber Lin: I’m gonna move that to my team section.

400 01:02:17.160 ⇒ 01:02:25.930 Amber Lin: So I’m gonna be editing in the default roadmap. I am also taking recording this meeting in there as well.

401 01:02:26.500 ⇒ 01:02:34.429 Amber Lin: So lead source project contacts. Okay.

402 01:02:46.910 ⇒ 01:02:48.210 Uttam Kumaran: You wanna hear something funny.

403 01:02:48.210 ⇒ 01:02:49.070 Amber Lin: Yeah.

404 01:02:51.640 ⇒ 01:02:53.150 Uttam Kumaran: They’re all set with you

405 01:03:08.460 ⇒ 01:03:15.589 Uttam Kumaran: Here, check your check, your slack, check, your slack. This is what I got from Caitlin after we went and met them in person.

406 01:03:15.800 ⇒ 01:03:16.730 Amber Lin: Hmm.

407 01:03:16.730 ⇒ 01:03:18.400 Uttam Kumaran: Nico is our CEO.

408 01:03:18.650 ⇒ 01:03:19.450 Amber Lin: Hmm!

409 01:03:24.260 ⇒ 01:03:26.700 Amber Lin: Everybody has a number.

410 01:03:28.820 ⇒ 01:03:30.189 Uttam Kumaran: Is that hilarious.

411 01:03:30.190 ⇒ 01:03:33.100 Amber Lin: Wait? Did they get series? A. How much did they get.

412 01:03:33.390 ⇒ 01:03:36.460 Uttam Kumaran: I think they got like 8 million or something.

413 01:03:36.460 ⇒ 01:03:37.730 Amber Lin: Wow!

414 01:03:38.620 ⇒ 01:03:42.370 Uttam Kumaran: But we’re we’re we’re. We’re almost making as much money as they are. So it’s kind of crazy.

415 01:03:42.370 ⇒ 01:03:43.760 Amber Lin: Oh, really.

416 01:03:43.920 ⇒ 01:03:46.269 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah. But they’re software companies. So it’s different.

417 01:03:46.270 ⇒ 01:03:46.970 Amber Lin: Okay.

418 01:03:47.290 ⇒ 01:03:48.450 Uttam Kumaran: Somewhat different.

419 01:03:48.820 ⇒ 01:03:50.490 Amber Lin: They will steal faster.

420 01:03:51.510 ⇒ 01:03:54.390 Uttam Kumaran: They will, they potentially will scale faster. Yeah.

421 01:04:00.177 ⇒ 01:04:01.412 Uttam Kumaran: Okay, so

422 01:04:06.590 ⇒ 01:04:12.900 Amber Lin: I’m on the thing I sent in the and

423 01:04:19.210 ⇒ 01:04:30.640 Amber Lin: the slack. I used AI to make a quick quick, short term and

424 01:04:33.400 ⇒ 01:04:39.039 Amber Lin: and long term goals. I don’t know if it makes sense. I read the documentation quickly.

425 01:04:40.650 ⇒ 01:04:48.620 Amber Lin: and then, I think, for architecture advisory.

426 01:04:49.500 ⇒ 01:04:50.790 Amber Lin: Alright

427 01:04:59.660 ⇒ 01:05:02.049 Amber Lin: for the 3 phases.

428 01:05:03.220 ⇒ 01:05:15.329 Amber Lin: I guess my question is, if I have to structure them into different projects, what would the projects be called, and how many will there be? Will it just be the 3 phases.

429 01:05:19.650 ⇒ 01:05:26.240 Uttam Kumaran: Well, I think there’s 1 phase that’s just related to

430 01:05:26.640 ⇒ 01:05:27.700 Amber Lin: Discovery.

431 01:05:30.360 ⇒ 01:05:33.480 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, hold on. Give me one second. Just getting a phone call. One second.

432 01:07:11.750 ⇒ 01:07:18.340 Uttam Kumaran: Okay, where were we? So.

433 01:07:19.530 ⇒ 01:07:20.760 Amber Lin: What projects.

434 01:07:21.230 ⇒ 01:07:24.780 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah. So there’s think there’s sort of like 2 projects.

435 01:07:25.060 ⇒ 01:07:29.609 Uttam Kumaran: One is on broad. One is on establishing their product analytics.

436 01:07:31.360 ⇒ 01:07:43.190 Uttam Kumaran: The second is on consulting for their product enrichment data model decisions.

437 01:07:43.510 ⇒ 01:07:44.680 Uttam Kumaran: Those are the 2.

438 01:07:46.460 ⇒ 01:07:48.019 Uttam Kumaran: As there’s not a clear

439 01:07:48.290 ⇒ 01:07:53.559 Uttam Kumaran: like, I’m basically coming in one they have. They don’t have any product measurement at all.

440 01:07:54.620 ⇒ 01:07:58.739 Uttam Kumaran: Like they have this product. They have no idea who’s using what features and stuff like that.

441 01:08:00.380 ⇒ 01:08:07.740 Uttam Kumaran: Second, they are making some decisions about their own data infrastructure

442 01:08:08.309 ⇒ 01:08:12.359 Uttam Kumaran: as it relates to the product and the back end of the product, and

443 01:08:12.470 ⇒ 01:08:15.789 Uttam Kumaran: they probably just need to continue to have some conversations with me

444 01:08:16.240 ⇒ 01:08:18.968 Uttam Kumaran: and get my sort of ad hoc help.

445 01:08:19.790 ⇒ 01:08:23.140 Uttam Kumaran: Which could be in the form of like, Hey, let me.

446 01:08:23.580 ⇒ 01:08:29.700 Uttam Kumaran: do you guys want us to set up a weekly, or you need me to hop into meetings. I can hop into meetings and be there.

447 01:08:30.285 ⇒ 01:08:34.069 Uttam Kumaran: So I would love to kick. The second one is easy money.

448 01:08:34.340 ⇒ 01:08:46.059 Uttam Kumaran: because that’s just me being available. And and I basically was doing that when I was there in New York and they really appreciated it. The product analytics work is gonna require some help from.

449 01:08:48.965 ⇒ 01:08:53.699 Uttam Kumaran: Maybe a wish, but potentially just, Robert as well.

450 01:08:53.700 ⇒ 01:08:54.060 Amber Lin: Okay.

451 01:08:54.356 ⇒ 01:08:59.809 Uttam Kumaran: Or I don’t know. Let’s see if Henry is really good, and Henry could probably take it with me.

452 01:09:04.540 ⇒ 01:09:05.830 Uttam Kumaran: Fingers crossed.

453 01:09:21.229 ⇒ 01:09:23.009 Amber Lin: what is out of scope?

454 01:09:29.439 ⇒ 01:09:30.660 Uttam Kumaran: I guess.

455 01:09:36.979 ⇒ 01:09:38.979 Uttam Kumaran: I don’t know. There’s really like.

456 01:09:43.240 ⇒ 01:09:49.659 Uttam Kumaran: I guess, like we’re we’re not necessary. I don’t know. It’s kind of tough, because we’re not necessarily like planning.

457 01:09:50.069 ⇒ 01:09:53.959 Uttam Kumaran: Any like huge milestones outside of the product analytics work.

458 01:09:54.259 ⇒ 01:09:59.249 Uttam Kumaran: So I’m not planning on like building Dbt models.

459 01:09:59.439 ⇒ 01:10:05.219 Uttam Kumaran: I’m not planning on implementing a data warehouse sort of like immediately.

460 01:10:05.399 ⇒ 01:10:14.729 Uttam Kumaran: like, it’s sort of a lot of diagnostic work. And then I immediately, I think the biggest open item for them is is on product. Analytics.

461 01:10:18.690 ⇒ 01:10:22.550 Uttam Kumaran: So they’re using amplitude, and they also have post hog.

462 01:10:23.210 ⇒ 01:10:30.190 Uttam Kumaran: So we’ll sort of make a decision on if we want to consolidate. I want to get a data platform sort of documentation thing going for them.

463 01:10:30.330 ⇒ 01:10:35.850 Uttam Kumaran: and we most likely will need a weekly with Ryan, who’s their head of Rev. Ops.

464 01:10:45.390 ⇒ 01:10:56.620 Amber Lin: yeah, actually, let me go grab my project, management, tab project management plan template, I have a few questions, I need to ask.

465 01:10:56.780 ⇒ 01:10:59.079 Uttam Kumaran: Yes, this is great

466 01:11:03.050 ⇒ 01:11:05.660 Uttam Kumaran: like. I could answer these questions all day.

467 01:11:08.101 ⇒ 01:11:11.259 Amber Lin: This is, I’m gonna copy.

468 01:11:11.560 ⇒ 01:11:13.980 Amber Lin: It could be.

469 01:11:16.880 ⇒ 01:11:25.390 Amber Lin: why do I? Why can’t I? Still? Why can I still not be able to move some things. What is my access on on notion?

470 01:11:25.870 ⇒ 01:11:27.429 Uttam Kumaran: Where are you trying to move things from?

471 01:11:27.430 ⇒ 01:11:32.000 Amber Lin: I was in the product management place, and I cannot move

472 01:11:32.420 ⇒ 01:11:35.619 Amber Lin: it says the move to is grayed out.

473 01:11:35.750 ⇒ 01:11:39.529 Amber Lin: so it means I don’t have access to certain things.

474 01:11:39.880 ⇒ 01:11:43.049 Uttam Kumaran: I don’t think that’s an access problem like.

475 01:11:44.820 ⇒ 01:11:47.860 Amber Lin: You need full access to this page to move it.

476 01:11:48.510 ⇒ 01:11:49.760 Uttam Kumaran: Okay, hold on.

477 01:11:50.350 ⇒ 01:11:51.190 Amber Lin: Yeah.

478 01:11:52.097 ⇒ 01:11:53.379 Uttam Kumaran: Let me check

479 01:11:59.920 ⇒ 01:12:00.850 Uttam Kumaran: oof!

480 01:12:04.560 ⇒ 01:12:05.830 Uttam Kumaran: Oh.

481 01:12:12.090 ⇒ 01:12:14.720 Uttam Kumaran: I mean, what page is it.

482 01:12:17.810 ⇒ 01:12:19.580 Amber Lin: Can you just give me.

483 01:12:19.910 ⇒ 01:12:21.540 Uttam Kumaran: You are. No, you are.

484 01:12:21.740 ⇒ 01:12:23.969 Amber Lin: Then I don’t understand why it doesn’t work. I’m.

485 01:12:23.970 ⇒ 01:12:24.700 Uttam Kumaran: I know.

486 01:12:25.330 ⇒ 01:12:27.670 Uttam Kumaran: Just tell me, tell me what’s the page, and I’ll.

487 01:12:27.670 ⇒ 01:12:29.050 Amber Lin: Okay. Okay.

488 01:12:29.310 ⇒ 01:12:30.760 Uttam Kumaran: Let me go. Debug this.

489 01:12:31.960 ⇒ 01:12:37.450 Amber Lin: So yeah, I will copy this.

490 01:12:37.790 ⇒ 01:12:47.029 Amber Lin: Send it in the zoom. Send in the zoom. And now I’m gonna I’ll just keep filling it out as you as you continue speaking.

491 01:12:47.240 ⇒ 01:12:48.890 Amber Lin: continue debugging.

492 01:13:28.010 ⇒ 01:13:29.300 Uttam Kumaran: Okay, how about now.

493 01:13:32.500 ⇒ 01:13:36.510 Amber Lin: No, it’s okay.

494 01:13:36.510 ⇒ 01:13:37.150 Uttam Kumaran: What?

495 01:13:37.360 ⇒ 01:13:40.329 Amber Lin: No, doesn’t work. I’ll copy it over.

496 01:13:46.620 ⇒ 01:13:49.750 Uttam Kumaran: Wait. There’s no way you can totally do it. Just refresh.

497 01:13:50.420 ⇒ 01:13:53.169 Amber Lin: Oh, good point! Let me try.

498 01:13:54.590 ⇒ 01:13:58.220 Amber Lin: Oh, there we go. I’ve been invited to Brainforge.

499 01:13:58.430 ⇒ 01:14:00.029 Amber Lin: Yeah, I can do it now.

500 01:14:00.130 ⇒ 01:14:03.250 Amber Lin: Great my question.

501 01:14:03.580 ⇒ 01:14:04.830 Amber Lin: Default.

502 01:14:07.495 ⇒ 01:14:14.890 Amber Lin: I have some questions on the meeting cadences. I just wanna record it, since we’re already here.

503 01:14:15.320 ⇒ 01:14:18.840 Amber Lin: So what are the rituals? You need?

504 01:14:39.210 ⇒ 01:14:40.510 Amber Lin: Alright.

505 01:14:41.990 ⇒ 01:14:43.549 Uttam Kumaran: Wait! Sorry. Say that again.

506 01:14:43.550 ⇒ 01:14:45.359 Amber Lin: What are the rituals you need.

507 01:14:49.091 ⇒ 01:14:56.440 Uttam Kumaran: I need a weekly with Brian on revops, and

508 01:14:57.450 ⇒ 01:15:04.849 Uttam Kumaran: either we should organize like we should find out from Caitlin and Vic if they’re where they need me.

509 01:15:05.320 ⇒ 01:15:11.166 Uttam Kumaran: or someone, or a wish on our team to talk about

510 01:15:14.240 ⇒ 01:15:20.309 Uttam Kumaran: to just help with architecture, or if they need it like. But the other things we we can help do. We can run spikes.

511 01:15:20.570 ⇒ 01:15:23.159 Uttam Kumaran: We can discuss pricing with vendors.

512 01:15:25.850 ⇒ 01:15:34.449 Uttam Kumaran: we can do proof of concepts so that side. I think we just need to sort of get a little bit understanding from Caitlin and Victor.

513 01:15:37.340 ⇒ 01:15:41.450 Amber Lin: So that’s more of clarifying on the scope of work

514 01:15:46.820 ⇒ 01:15:48.500 Amber Lin: or how to do it.

515 01:15:55.060 ⇒ 01:16:06.900 Amber Lin: so apart from apart from the weeklies with Ryan. Do you want stand-ups? Do you want planning grooming retros.

516 01:16:08.276 ⇒ 01:16:10.609 Uttam Kumaran: I think we may have.

517 01:16:12.050 ⇒ 01:16:14.319 Uttam Kumaran: I think we’re gonna need some

518 01:16:14.590 ⇒ 01:16:20.070 Uttam Kumaran: planning and grooming for the product analytics work, stream.

519 01:16:20.070 ⇒ 01:16:20.850 Amber Lin: Hmm.

520 01:16:21.590 ⇒ 01:16:25.610 Uttam Kumaran: I don’t think we’re gonna need retro.

521 01:16:27.210 ⇒ 01:16:29.540 Uttam Kumaran: Because we’re only gonna have like one stakeholder.

522 01:16:31.730 ⇒ 01:16:36.209 Uttam Kumaran: But I do think that we’ll need planning and grooming. I don’t think we’ll need stand ups.

523 01:16:36.380 ⇒ 01:16:37.070 Amber Lin: Okay. No.

524 01:16:37.070 ⇒ 01:16:39.149 Uttam Kumaran: We’ll probably need like we’ll probably need.

525 01:16:39.440 ⇒ 01:16:40.010 Amber Lin: Ad hoc.

526 01:16:40.010 ⇒ 01:16:45.819 Uttam Kumaran: Stuff. Yeah, an ad hoc, cause everyone on the team who’s working will be pretty senior. So.

527 01:16:45.820 ⇒ 01:16:48.310 Amber Lin: This, one, okay.

528 01:16:49.590 ⇒ 01:17:00.980 Uttam Kumaran: And like you’re also limited on time. Like if I if I had more time, like, potentially. But I want to. I want to utilize your resources for like organization and for communication

529 01:17:01.290 ⇒ 01:17:05.959 Uttam Kumaran: versus like, it’s gonna be like me and Robert, like you know what I mean.

530 01:17:09.000 ⇒ 01:17:10.180 Amber Lin: So.

531 01:17:10.460 ⇒ 01:17:20.710 Uttam Kumaran: And for, like, just making sure, we create clear tickets. And then, once they’re done, we can be like, Hey, we finish these. And also, I want. I want you to get a little bit of experience in amplitude and some of the data work.

532 01:17:20.710 ⇒ 01:17:22.690 Amber Lin: Okay, valid.

533 01:17:23.960 ⇒ 01:17:24.960 Amber Lin: Can you?

534 01:17:24.960 ⇒ 01:17:28.929 Uttam Kumaran: It’s also it’s also our most. It’s our highest rate client. So.

535 01:17:28.930 ⇒ 01:17:30.529 Amber Lin: What’s the rate.

536 01:17:30.700 ⇒ 01:17:31.890 Uttam Kumaran: 2 50 an hour.

537 01:17:31.890 ⇒ 01:17:33.880 Amber Lin: What! That’s crazy! Are you building.

538 01:17:33.880 ⇒ 01:17:35.249 Uttam Kumaran: That’s what I said.

539 01:17:37.010 ⇒ 01:17:39.100 Uttam Kumaran: That’s why I’m looping you in, because.

540 01:17:39.100 ⇒ 01:17:41.532 Amber Lin: Okay, you better, Bill. My Pm. Time.

541 01:17:43.580 ⇒ 01:17:48.447 Amber Lin: I am well, cheaper than a waste, probably, and cheaper than your time.

542 01:17:49.175 ⇒ 01:17:51.774 Uttam Kumaran: That’s not how I think about it. Dude.

543 01:17:52.100 ⇒ 01:17:58.149 Amber Lin: I mean, if I’m thinking about the margins, that’s how I think about it doesn’t matter who I am.

544 01:17:58.150 ⇒ 01:18:00.070 Uttam Kumaran: I think about it like

545 01:18:00.470 ⇒ 01:18:10.329 Uttam Kumaran: the we, the more revenue coming in my cost will be fine also, because cost wise this one. That’s why the strategy work is so great, because it’s just me showing up.

546 01:18:10.750 ⇒ 01:18:11.660 Amber Lin: Okay?

547 01:18:11.970 ⇒ 01:18:21.880 Amber Lin: Oh, other thing other than Kickoff. We need interviews with specifically, with Caitlin and Victor.

548 01:18:23.090 ⇒ 01:18:26.810 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, so I, yeah, I’ve talked to both of them.

549 01:18:27.728 ⇒ 01:18:31.770 Amber Lin: So that’s more of a scoping road mapping meeting.

550 01:18:32.190 ⇒ 01:18:36.160 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, so ideally, we should. So I think probably the best thing to say, hey.

551 01:18:36.270 ⇒ 01:18:39.039 Uttam Kumaran: if you guys are already having conversations about

552 01:18:39.410 ⇒ 01:18:41.890 Uttam Kumaran: the 1st thing can you loop us in?

553 01:18:42.300 ⇒ 01:18:46.009 Uttam Kumaran: And if you need help on organizations.

554 01:18:46.200 ⇒ 01:18:49.229 Uttam Kumaran: or like scoping those, we can otherwise

555 01:18:49.570 ⇒ 01:18:52.679 Uttam Kumaran: consider me just like the senior architect? I can join.

556 01:18:54.290 ⇒ 01:18:58.899 Amber Lin: Okay. So I will go scope with Caitlin and Victor. Is that what you’re saying.

557 01:18:59.250 ⇒ 01:19:01.380 Uttam Kumaran: I guess I’m not sure.

558 01:19:03.352 ⇒ 01:19:04.749 Amber Lin: How they want to scope. Then.

559 01:19:05.650 ⇒ 01:19:09.289 Uttam Kumaran: This. But this isn’t for the analytics. This is for the strategy thing.

560 01:19:09.290 ⇒ 01:19:10.250 Amber Lin: Oh!

561 01:19:10.860 ⇒ 01:19:16.070 Uttam Kumaran: The analytics thing. The scoping will be with me. You, Robert and Ryan.

562 01:19:17.783 ⇒ 01:19:20.500 Amber Lin: Oh, so.

563 01:19:20.500 ⇒ 01:19:25.449 Uttam Kumaran: Ryan is our stakeholder there, but I already have an initial set of requirements from him.

564 01:19:25.670 ⇒ 01:19:27.100 Amber Lin: Okay, so.

565 01:19:27.720 ⇒ 01:19:30.569 Uttam Kumaran: So I can scope that directly with you and Robert.

566 01:19:30.820 ⇒ 01:19:35.620 Amber Lin: Okay, amber.

567 01:19:38.620 ⇒ 01:19:40.400 Amber Lin: Okay? So

568 01:19:40.740 ⇒ 01:19:48.270 Amber Lin: strategy. So we have 2 scoping. So the strategy so scoping, we need to talk to Caitlin and Victor.

569 01:19:52.080 ⇒ 01:19:55.530 Amber Lin: And product analytics. I’m just gonna work with you guys.

570 01:19:56.390 ⇒ 01:20:01.000 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah. So for for Caitlin and Victor, I think the only question I would ask is.

571 01:20:01.500 ⇒ 01:20:08.489 Uttam Kumaran: or I can ask. I said, Hey, start, I can basically say, start looping me into stuff. Or if you want us to organize things.

572 01:20:09.850 ⇒ 01:20:11.010 Uttam Kumaran: we should do that.

573 01:20:13.280 ⇒ 01:20:14.090 Amber Lin: Okay.

574 01:20:14.090 ⇒ 01:20:16.790 Uttam Kumaran: But like, I don’t think you necessarily need to be there.

575 01:20:16.790 ⇒ 01:20:18.080 Uttam Kumaran: Okay, yeah.

576 01:20:18.830 ⇒ 01:20:23.419 Amber Lin: I’m just gonna say, oh, I’m just gonna say you’re gonna ask now.

577 01:20:23.420 ⇒ 01:20:24.060 Uttam Kumaran: Sure.

578 01:20:24.180 ⇒ 01:20:25.279 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, perfect.

579 01:20:25.820 ⇒ 01:20:32.160 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah. Cause I don’t. Wanna like these guys are, you know, the the unfortunate part is, these guys are a startup. So they’re not

580 01:20:32.380 ⇒ 01:20:35.860 Uttam Kumaran: gonna be so slow. In fact, they’re gonna be kind of quick.

581 01:20:35.860 ⇒ 01:20:36.260 Amber Lin: -

582 01:20:36.260 ⇒ 01:20:37.379 Uttam Kumaran: Don’t want to like.

583 01:20:38.330 ⇒ 01:20:43.619 Uttam Kumaran: I don’t want to baby them too much like they know what they’re doing. So I just want to be there for what they need.

584 01:20:44.050 ⇒ 01:20:44.830 Amber Lin: Okay.

585 01:20:48.040 ⇒ 01:20:57.679 Amber Lin: okay, can. We can. Are you on the Doc? I think you are on the project management plan.

586 01:20:58.570 ⇒ 01:21:13.110 Amber Lin: Can you help me fill out the stakeholders. Matrix. I know there’s I filled it out as much as I can with AI. With the current documentations I have. I had Caitlin Ryan, I have me. I have like a wish. Can you add.

587 01:21:13.280 ⇒ 01:21:18.690 Amber Lin: Victor, you and Robert, and whoever else might be in there.

588 01:21:21.725 ⇒ 01:21:24.109 Uttam Kumaran: Yes, one sec.

589 01:22:04.360 ⇒ 01:22:06.820 Uttam Kumaran: And the stakeholder engagement matrix.

590 01:22:07.290 ⇒ 01:22:08.050 Amber Lin: Yes.

591 01:24:16.720 ⇒ 01:24:18.420 Uttam Kumaran: Or should I be filling this out.

592 01:24:19.100 ⇒ 01:24:19.680 Amber Lin: Hmm!

593 01:24:20.150 ⇒ 01:24:20.680 Amber Lin: Oh.

594 01:24:20.680 ⇒ 01:24:21.639 Uttam Kumaran: Filling this out.

595 01:24:21.640 ⇒ 01:24:33.299 Amber Lin: No, just just add the name, like the 1st part is, so as long as you have to who the name is and what they do is okay, I can fill the rest out. Client is a startup

596 01:24:33.560 ⇒ 01:24:47.229 Amber Lin: prefers any communication tips. What they prefer. So okay, slack as communications. What about updates. Are you gonna do decks? Or you’re just gonna do it in the

597 01:24:47.720 ⇒ 01:24:48.410 Amber Lin: okay.

598 01:24:48.410 ⇒ 01:24:49.779 Uttam Kumaran: And zoom updates, yeah.

599 01:24:49.930 ⇒ 01:24:53.210 Amber Lin: And zoom. So no email updates.

600 01:24:53.580 ⇒ 01:24:54.310 Uttam Kumaran: No.

601 01:24:54.310 ⇒ 01:25:01.050 Amber Lin: Okay, as daily communication. No need for email updates.

602 01:25:01.360 ⇒ 01:25:07.489 Amber Lin: Okay, do we need monthly progress updates.

603 01:25:08.750 ⇒ 01:25:09.450 Uttam Kumaran: Yes.

604 01:25:09.870 ⇒ 01:25:10.520 Amber Lin: Okay?

605 01:25:16.510 ⇒ 01:25:17.620 Amber Lin: Hmm.

606 01:25:21.280 ⇒ 01:25:30.589 Amber Lin: okay, any potential risks that you foresee at the bottom.

607 01:25:32.970 ⇒ 01:25:36.159 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, that they’re extremely busy, and they don’t get back to us.

608 01:25:36.350 ⇒ 01:25:37.680 Amber Lin: Okay, that’s 1.

609 01:25:42.520 ⇒ 01:25:43.639 Uttam Kumaran: it’s kind of it.

610 01:25:45.150 ⇒ 01:25:48.660 Uttam Kumaran: I just think client is a startup. So they’re hard. They’re gonna be hard to reach. And they’re gonna be a little.

611 01:25:48.660 ⇒ 01:25:49.460 Amber Lin: Okay.

612 01:25:49.940 ⇒ 01:25:54.029 Uttam Kumaran: There. There may be a maybe a little bit of con like confusion here and there.

613 01:25:54.240 ⇒ 01:25:54.980 Uttam Kumaran: so we’ll have to know.

614 01:25:54.980 ⇒ 01:25:59.739 Amber Lin: Okay, are they hard to work with, or they just very busy, are they.

615 01:25:59.740 ⇒ 01:26:02.569 Uttam Kumaran: No, no, they’re not hard to work with. I think they’re just busy.

616 01:26:03.750 ⇒ 01:26:06.340 Amber Lin: Okay? Is there possibilities.

617 01:26:06.340 ⇒ 01:26:07.760 Uttam Kumaran: Growing fast, so.

618 01:26:08.950 ⇒ 01:26:14.919 Amber Lin: So another risk might be. They outgrow this engagement like they just have to make a decision.

619 01:26:17.488 ⇒ 01:26:23.450 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah. A risk. Is that like, yeah, I mean, as they grow, they may not need someone. They may hire someone like us internally.

620 01:26:28.890 ⇒ 01:26:29.950 Amber Lin: From home.

621 01:26:30.920 ⇒ 01:26:31.380 Amber Lin: Okay.

622 01:26:57.790 ⇒ 01:27:03.430 Amber Lin: how is the top? The sow that I put

623 01:27:03.680 ⇒ 01:27:07.949 Amber Lin: up there so that 2 key projects?

624 01:27:20.360 ⇒ 01:27:23.959 Amber Lin: If that’s good, I’m gonna go ahead and make tickets

625 01:27:36.770 ⇒ 01:27:41.170 Amber Lin: and do you already have a 4 seed?

626 01:27:41.920 ⇒ 01:27:46.149 Amber Lin: Sorry when does our 1st sprint start.

627 01:27:49.045 ⇒ 01:27:49.790 Uttam Kumaran: Immediately.

628 01:27:50.250 ⇒ 01:27:55.030 Amber Lin: Okay, so.

629 01:27:55.510 ⇒ 01:28:03.650 Uttam Kumaran: So I think we we well, one, I can send a message. Well, one. Are are you planning on getting this

630 01:28:04.090 ⇒ 01:28:06.540 Uttam Kumaran: out to them, or

631 01:28:06.710 ⇒ 01:28:12.559 Uttam Kumaran: like, should I go ahead and send a message? They start looping me in, and amber is gonna start to lead

632 01:28:13.250 ⇒ 01:28:19.209 Uttam Kumaran: stuff to basically regroup on our 1st initiative.

633 01:28:19.210 ⇒ 01:28:22.001 Amber Lin: I’m gonna put to do’s on the top.

634 01:28:22.800 ⇒ 01:28:24.829 Amber Lin: Please introduce me.

635 01:28:26.027 ⇒ 01:28:33.699 Amber Lin: Perfect, and then I will share project management. I’ll share this as a draft.

636 01:28:39.880 ⇒ 01:28:42.450 Amber Lin: Plan! I want to book

637 01:28:42.990 ⇒ 01:28:57.849 Amber Lin: scoping. Meeting with Ryan. No, actually scoping meeting for analytics is just it’s just us. You need to book your time with Ryan

638 01:29:01.550 ⇒ 01:29:05.170 Amber Lin: book. No, not with Brian, with Caitlin. Victor.

639 01:29:05.170 ⇒ 01:29:06.180 Uttam Kumaran: Yes, yes.

640 01:29:06.180 ⇒ 01:29:11.029 Amber Lin: Okay? And then and make sure.

641 01:29:11.744 ⇒ 01:29:15.859 Amber Lin: I need to get confirmation from Brian that this is okay.

642 01:29:18.900 ⇒ 01:29:22.490 Amber Lin: After after I check with you you guys,

643 01:29:24.910 ⇒ 01:29:25.560 Uttam Kumaran: Yes.

644 01:29:26.360 ⇒ 01:29:32.870 Amber Lin: Confirm internally, but on

645 01:29:37.420 ⇒ 01:29:43.329 Amber Lin: where tickets next confirm with Ryan.

646 01:29:47.610 ⇒ 01:29:55.820 Amber Lin: Like, officially, can we get those meetings? Well, I guess it’s on my end.

647 01:29:56.790 ⇒ 01:29:59.310 Amber Lin: I’ll try to confirm. I think

648 01:29:59.540 ⇒ 01:30:06.059 Amber Lin: tickets wouldn’t take that much time I can aim for meeting with.

649 01:30:06.420 ⇒ 01:30:13.539 Amber Lin: I’ll ask Ryan when he’s free, and then, like either later this week or early next week.

650 01:30:14.060 ⇒ 01:30:17.440 Amber Lin: confirm with him, and then kick off.

651 01:30:20.600 ⇒ 01:30:25.150 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah. So I’ll introduce you. And then I’m I’m gonna introduce you. And then I’m also going to.

652 01:30:25.690 ⇒ 01:30:35.229 Uttam Kumaran: If you want to share your Pm plan. And then do you want me to then message so that I’m gonna introduce you? I’m gonna talk about like we have these 2 work streams.

653 01:30:35.730 ⇒ 01:30:39.390 Uttam Kumaran: I’m gonna message Caitlin. And I can just say.

654 01:30:41.050 ⇒ 01:30:46.130 Uttam Kumaran: if you guys are chatting about stuff this week, please add me.

655 01:30:47.450 ⇒ 01:30:49.659 Uttam Kumaran: Or if you want me to host a session

656 01:30:50.100 ⇒ 01:30:52.879 Uttam Kumaran: or prepare anything, let me know.

657 01:30:58.560 ⇒ 01:31:06.800 Uttam Kumaran: And then, yeah, once you once you can also say Hi to Ryan and say, we’re working on.

658 01:31:07.650 ⇒ 01:31:13.330 Uttam Kumaran: you know, a couple of tickets for product analytics plan.

659 01:31:13.790 ⇒ 01:31:17.259 Uttam Kumaran: and we should have some results but for for you

660 01:31:18.000 ⇒ 01:31:20.020 Uttam Kumaran: to take a look at like next week.

661 01:31:20.600 ⇒ 01:31:26.050 Uttam Kumaran: basically, or by the end of this week. It would be great to review this with Robert tomorrow.

662 01:31:26.050 ⇒ 01:31:26.490 Amber Lin: Okay.

663 01:31:26.490 ⇒ 01:31:29.200 Uttam Kumaran: And ideally, he’s gonna be a

664 01:31:31.230 ⇒ 01:31:34.667 Uttam Kumaran: he’s gonna he’s gonna either do the the amplitude stuff or

665 01:31:37.210 ⇒ 01:31:38.800 Uttam Kumaran: Henry is.

666 01:31:39.310 ⇒ 01:31:49.150 Amber Lin: Okay? So I think I’m gonna review it internally before I share this plan, would default.

667 01:31:49.640 ⇒ 01:31:53.009 Amber Lin: Aim to kick off early next week.

668 01:31:54.580 ⇒ 01:31:59.620 Amber Lin: Schedule schedule a call for early next week.

669 01:32:03.010 ⇒ 01:32:04.020 Amber Lin: Okay.

670 01:32:09.580 ⇒ 01:32:17.550 Amber Lin: Oh, oh, it’s gonna be. I just did the sprints.

671 01:32:17.760 ⇒ 01:32:27.549 Amber Lin: so it will be if it’s 2 for 2 weeks there will be 5 sprints.

672 01:32:33.500 ⇒ 01:32:38.200 Amber Lin: Can you scroll down to sprint schedule and look at the sprint goals.

673 01:32:40.500 ⇒ 01:32:42.250 Amber Lin: If it makes sense to you.

674 01:32:42.700 ⇒ 01:32:43.330 Uttam Kumaran: Yes.

675 01:33:37.290 ⇒ 01:33:42.520 Uttam Kumaran: yeah, I think this is worth getting Robert’s feedback on.

676 01:33:42.770 ⇒ 01:33:45.889 Amber Lin: Okay, so I will get

677 01:34:03.350 ⇒ 01:34:04.300 Amber Lin: hey?

678 01:34:04.920 ⇒ 01:34:12.859 Amber Lin: And then I AI generated tickets. I will ask Robert tomorrow.

679 01:34:13.520 ⇒ 01:34:17.920 Amber Lin: If you want to take a look, you can take a look down here.

680 01:34:20.920 ⇒ 01:34:21.700 Uttam Kumaran: Nice.

681 01:35:29.130 ⇒ 01:35:30.130 Amber Lin: Okay.

682 01:35:30.500 ⇒ 01:35:40.310 Amber Lin: I have meeting booked tomorrow with Robert. Currently, it’s about Eden grooming. I will ask him if he can stay after for

683 01:35:43.400 ⇒ 01:35:44.480 Amber Lin: default.

684 01:35:48.900 ⇒ 01:35:49.730 Uttam Kumaran: Tomorrow.

685 01:35:49.730 ⇒ 01:35:50.930 Amber Lin: Yeah. Tomorrow.

686 01:36:03.880 ⇒ 01:36:05.130 Uttam Kumaran: How’s your schedule? Tomorrow?

687 01:36:06.290 ⇒ 01:36:08.060 Amber Lin: Let me see.

688 01:36:09.220 ⇒ 01:36:12.370 Uttam Kumaran: Lines not horrible.

689 01:36:14.880 ⇒ 01:36:17.239 Uttam Kumaran: I have 2 promising interviews tomorrow, so.

690 01:36:17.240 ⇒ 01:36:19.239 Amber Lin: Hmm! What is it for.

691 01:36:20.220 ⇒ 01:36:22.649 Uttam Kumaran: Well, actually, where is this? Did I miss this?

692 01:36:25.090 ⇒ 01:36:29.509 Uttam Kumaran: Oh, hold on! Where is this?

693 01:36:43.220 ⇒ 01:36:48.390 Uttam Kumaran: Oh, I’m I’m interviewing someone who was a potential AI lead.

694 01:36:48.640 ⇒ 01:36:56.200 Uttam Kumaran: And I’m interviewing a company that maybe we could work with for segment implementations.

695 01:36:56.570 ⇒ 01:36:59.150 Uttam Kumaran: They’re a little. They’re a lot cheaper than Mcaw.

696 01:36:59.490 ⇒ 01:37:00.300 Amber Lin: Oh, okay.

697 01:37:03.550 ⇒ 01:37:08.350 Uttam Kumaran: And then wait. If.

698 01:37:08.350 ⇒ 01:37:15.450 Amber Lin: Cheaper, isn’t isn’t it better that they’re that Mcaw is not cheap, meaning they have more to pay us.

699 01:37:16.150 ⇒ 01:37:18.960 Uttam Kumaran: Well, it depends on when we want to bring them in versus.

700 01:37:18.960 ⇒ 01:37:19.590 Amber Lin: Oh!

701 01:37:19.590 ⇒ 01:37:19.920 Uttam Kumaran: Hang on!

702 01:37:19.920 ⇒ 01:37:23.339 Amber Lin: I see, so we should should have both of them.

703 01:37:23.690 ⇒ 01:37:28.379 Uttam Kumaran: Well like I don’t have any allegiance to anybody. I I only play for our team. So.

704 01:37:28.770 ⇒ 01:37:29.270 Amber Lin: Okay.

705 01:37:29.270 ⇒ 01:37:34.557 Uttam Kumaran: I will find we want to find us the best partner, for for example, they

706 01:37:35.050 ⇒ 01:37:36.759 Uttam Kumaran: I think, for readme.

707 01:37:36.920 ⇒ 01:37:39.849 Amber Lin: Robert’s like, hey? Can you find someone who can.

708 01:37:41.460 ⇒ 01:37:45.920 Uttam Kumaran: Implement, segment or implement amplitude or something, and I was like.

709 01:37:45.920 ⇒ 01:37:46.260 Amber Lin: Thank you.

710 01:37:46.260 ⇒ 01:37:49.402 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, I’ll find someone and calling someone. And then I also

711 01:37:50.520 ⇒ 01:37:52.539 Uttam Kumaran: I looped you into a couple of

712 01:37:53.310 ⇒ 01:37:58.540 Uttam Kumaran: interviews. I think I think Rico will schedule, but I also found a Pm. I got a Pm. Referral.

713 01:37:59.230 ⇒ 01:37:59.600 Amber Lin: Are you?

714 01:38:00.960 ⇒ 01:38:03.099 Uttam Kumaran: That actually, he seems pretty credentialed.

715 01:38:04.510 ⇒ 01:38:06.529 Uttam Kumaran: He’s based in Mexico, I think.

716 01:38:07.430 ⇒ 01:38:08.529 Amber Lin: Oh, wow!

717 01:38:09.760 ⇒ 01:38:10.689 Uttam Kumaran: But he seems very, very.

718 01:38:10.690 ⇒ 01:38:15.020 Amber Lin: You want him for a mid level? Pm. I assume so.

719 01:38:15.540 ⇒ 01:38:23.400 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, it seems like he has. He has at least like he has at least the

720 01:38:23.850 ⇒ 01:38:27.269 Uttam Kumaran: 5 years of Pm. Experience and.

721 01:38:27.530 ⇒ 01:38:31.650 Amber Lin: He said. He set up Pmo. At his last company.

722 01:38:34.800 ⇒ 01:38:36.600 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah. Carlos. Razzo.

723 01:38:40.070 ⇒ 01:38:42.760 Amber Lin: Did you do a screening with him already?

724 01:38:43.210 ⇒ 01:38:44.720 Uttam Kumaran: - now.

725 01:38:44.720 ⇒ 01:38:56.489 Amber Lin: Oh, okay, nobody has called him. I want us to standardize our process based on who I think it’s really helpful, because I cause I. I think what they said makes sense. Because whenever

726 01:38:56.590 ⇒ 01:39:00.700 Amber Lin: we in that book well, yeah, in the.

727 01:39:00.700 ⇒ 01:39:01.260 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah.

728 01:39:01.260 ⇒ 01:39:21.459 Amber Lin: Well, cause. Usually in the 1st call we call, we tell them, Hey, this is our gap. This is what we’re looking for. And then, of course, everybody who hears that will tailor all their responses to make them seem perfect. I’d rather us not really tell them much, and then just get their interest and their preferences.

729 01:39:22.018 ⇒ 01:39:27.539 Amber Lin: I went through the list that the book recommended. I think it was really helpful.

730 01:39:27.740 ⇒ 01:39:29.380 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, we should just copy.

731 01:39:29.380 ⇒ 01:39:30.140 Amber Lin: Yeah.

732 01:39:31.140 ⇒ 01:39:33.029 Uttam Kumaran: Whatever the book says, basically.

733 01:39:33.030 ⇒ 01:39:48.319 Amber Lin: Yeah, we can just make a workflow this way, everybody, and make it a template and notion that that way everybody just fills in whoever’s 1st fills in the 1st part, whoever’s second fills in the second, and then we’ll have a full documentation for a person

734 01:39:49.400 ⇒ 01:39:51.710 Amber Lin: if they pass the 1st round.

735 01:39:52.360 ⇒ 01:39:53.582 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, I think.

736 01:39:55.890 ⇒ 01:40:00.319 Uttam Kumaran: I agree. I think we should just use that. I mean, honestly, you could have Rico

737 01:40:01.201 ⇒ 01:40:08.449 Uttam Kumaran: set it up, but literally that, like I’ve been waiting to implement what it says in that book where we have a joint scorecard.

738 01:40:08.900 ⇒ 01:40:09.600 Uttam Kumaran: And

739 01:40:10.360 ⇒ 01:40:18.299 Uttam Kumaran: yeah, there’s like no reason to do anything about what they say. Basically, I just, I just didn’t do it because we I’ve been only one, interviewing everybody from.

740 01:40:22.590 ⇒ 01:40:23.430 Amber Lin: Okay,

741 01:40:24.490 ⇒ 01:40:26.000 Uttam Kumaran: So it’s actually, really, really good.

742 01:40:26.220 ⇒ 01:40:27.020 Amber Lin: Okay.

743 01:40:27.480 ⇒ 01:40:30.230 Amber Lin: So I’m gonna put.

744 01:40:30.560 ⇒ 01:40:31.050 Amber Lin: So.

745 01:40:31.050 ⇒ 01:40:35.700 Uttam Kumaran: But also you know, what you should do is that you could start like once you write that you can actually

746 01:40:36.560 ⇒ 01:40:43.850 Uttam Kumaran: like produce those scorecards in our platform, and, like bottom, put the interview somewhere.

747 01:40:44.460 ⇒ 01:40:46.710 Amber Lin: Yeah, what do you mean?

748 01:40:47.240 ⇒ 01:40:50.069 Uttam Kumaran: Well, like those scorecards is like

749 01:40:51.195 ⇒ 01:41:00.840 Uttam Kumaran: like, you could just have it somewhere in the, in the, in our new platform, where interviews go to a certain place, and then you can go to there and and like, generate a scorecard.

750 01:41:00.960 ⇒ 01:41:03.519 Uttam Kumaran: or like, have AI kind of help. Judge.

751 01:41:06.200 ⇒ 01:41:13.720 Amber Lin: well, we need to I mean, whenever we create a new position, we as a team need to decide what the scorecard for that is.

752 01:41:13.720 ⇒ 01:41:14.420 Uttam Kumaran: Correct.

753 01:41:14.580 ⇒ 01:41:22.069 Amber Lin: And then we can use that. That scorecard will inform how we score this interview. So there’s things we have to do

754 01:41:22.785 ⇒ 01:41:28.240 Amber Lin: making a ticket to create interview template based on who?

755 01:41:28.510 ⇒ 01:41:31.170 Amber Lin: Okay.

756 01:41:36.180 ⇒ 01:41:45.570 Amber Lin: alright. I think that’s that’s all for today, unless you have any other thing on your list.

757 01:41:45.870 ⇒ 01:41:48.308 Uttam Kumaran: That’s it. I just how’s it going this week?

758 01:41:49.260 ⇒ 01:41:50.030 Uttam Kumaran: For us.

759 01:41:50.030 ⇒ 01:41:57.490 Amber Lin: This week is still pretty early, I would say. I had more time to do.

760 01:41:58.120 ⇒ 01:42:14.849 unknown: Non client work, which is, I found it really nice to help marketing and help help marketing, and someone help Eden with grooming, because now I know what’s important, because if you ask me

761 01:42:15.110 ⇒ 01:42:20.149 unknown: 3 months ago to help, I don’t know like I wouldn’t even know what to help them with.

762 01:42:21.130 ⇒ 01:42:21.990 unknown: So.

763 01:42:21.990 ⇒ 01:42:31.819 unknown: Yeah, I’m I’m trying to be more of a coach these days as well, like versus like, if I had the opportunity to do something versus be like, hey, let me call someone and walk them through. How to do it.

764 01:42:31.940 ⇒ 01:42:34.450 unknown: Even though it may take twice as long.

765 01:42:34.670 ⇒ 01:42:47.359 unknown: I try and do that, and Rico has been able to take on almost all of my operations responsibilities that I had while Marianne is out and he’s working on sops. I’m gonna have. He’s gonna book, an Sop review.

766 01:42:48.156 ⇒ 01:42:54.220 unknown: Because we have new new client existing client renewal and new team member

767 01:42:54.739 ⇒ 01:42:59.529 unknown: procedures. So I want him. I told him to book a Sop review early next week

768 01:42:59.640 ⇒ 01:43:04.719 unknown: for a few of us to just like basically review his work and give him some feedback

769 01:43:05.170 ⇒ 01:43:07.528 unknown: which I think he’ll appreciate.

770 01:43:09.270 ⇒ 01:43:14.859 unknown: And so yeah, he’s doing. He’s crushing it. I am. I’m very, very, very hopeful that.

771 01:43:14.860 ⇒ 01:43:16.000 unknown: Really happy.

772 01:43:16.230 ⇒ 01:43:26.730 unknown: Yeah, I’m very hopeful that he he’s able to. I mean, you know, we’ll do the usual that we do, which is, we’ll push people to see where where they could get to, but he seems very excited. And

773 01:43:27.470 ⇒ 01:43:31.399 unknown: yeah, I’m like, I’m I’m really glad. And I’m excited for him to become like a

774 01:43:31.610 ⇒ 01:43:36.989 unknown: kinda know, know all of their processes around here, and then can start helping out everywhere. You know.

775 01:43:36.990 ⇒ 01:43:45.215 unknown: Great and honestly after. So, after working with different people, it’s easier for me to tell

776 01:43:46.190 ⇒ 01:43:51.290 unknown: who I can rely on more, and who has more potential or has more.

777 01:43:51.290 ⇒ 01:43:52.060 unknown: Yeah, yeah.

778 01:43:52.060 ⇒ 01:43:58.209 unknown: Do more. Some people are at a stage where they just they don’t want that, and.

779 01:43:58.210 ⇒ 01:44:07.990 unknown: Let’s see, can I ask you a question like, How do you measure that? Because for me, that’s like that’s how I interviewed everybody where it sort of was like a vibe that I got.

780 01:44:07.990 ⇒ 01:44:10.610 unknown: Yeah a lot a lot of time, right? Like.

781 01:44:12.247 ⇒ 01:44:14.689 unknown: I don’t know. You can’t put up. You can’t really like put a

782 01:44:15.770 ⇒ 01:44:17.649 unknown: can’t put a measurement on some of it right.

783 01:44:17.650 ⇒ 01:44:27.590 unknown: Yeah, it’s hard to measure. I I think that’s why I did like the screening questions for the for the who interview. Because if you.

784 01:44:28.790 ⇒ 01:44:33.170 unknown: I don’t know how your interviews. I I wish, oh, okay.

785 01:44:33.410 ⇒ 01:44:39.470 unknown: our interviews are recorded. We should analyze how the people you liked, responded.

786 01:44:39.470 ⇒ 01:44:39.810 unknown: Yes.

787 01:44:39.810 ⇒ 01:44:41.780 unknown: Questions. That’s number one.

788 01:44:41.780 ⇒ 01:44:46.129 unknown: I interview, for like I interview to see if people are kind of weirdos, really.

789 01:44:46.130 ⇒ 01:44:58.969 unknown: Well, well, still, like, it’s different. How they answer questions. It’s sometimes the interviews I’ve had with the different Pm’s. It’s they just said, very, very generic questions. Yeah, that’s the indicator.

790 01:44:58.970 ⇒ 01:45:00.340 unknown: But but also, I guess.

791 01:45:00.340 ⇒ 01:45:01.770 unknown: Bouncing off of me.

792 01:45:01.970 ⇒ 01:45:12.950 unknown: How our bar is pretty high, right? Like you know what I described, which is sometimes hard for people to, because the ego doesn’t want you to think this way, but like we need to hire people that are smarter than us.

793 01:45:13.850 ⇒ 01:45:18.530 unknown: Right like. That’s why I said, like the next person we hire, I want them to kind of be like

794 01:45:19.030 ⇒ 01:45:25.099 unknown: holy shit. We we feel kind of you feel kind of threatened. You’re like, Damn! This person really knows a lot of stuff.

795 01:45:25.651 ⇒ 01:45:28.780 unknown: Right? And so I feel like it’s easy.

796 01:45:28.920 ⇒ 01:45:35.120 unknown: like. I don’t know you. I don’t. I don’t think you probably had this amount of experience, but in typical hiring.

797 01:45:35.270 ⇒ 01:45:44.900 unknown: when you’re at a big company, people are like this person checks the boxes. Let’s go, whatever you know, and they don’t care. But, you know, like one person in our company can really ruin the vibe.

798 01:45:45.020 ⇒ 01:45:51.829 unknown: and like kind of really sabotage, a lot of things. And so I think we’re going a lot slower

799 01:45:51.960 ⇒ 01:45:54.910 unknown: now. And I do think that we’re looking for people that

800 01:45:55.840 ⇒ 01:46:01.539 unknown: can hopefully raise the bar, even if they come in a little bit low, like, what is their potential. You know.

801 01:46:01.540 ⇒ 01:46:02.040 unknown: Hmm.

802 01:46:02.040 ⇒ 01:46:10.469 unknown: So for me, I look for I look for potential, and I look for curiosity because I can coach skill set. I can’t coach

803 01:46:10.610 ⇒ 01:46:15.580 unknown: optimism and agency, and like just general like

804 01:46:16.310 ⇒ 01:46:18.759 unknown: doggedness. I can’t. You can’t teach.

805 01:46:18.870 ⇒ 01:46:29.830 unknown: I mean, at least I can. I’m not gonna sit here and say I can teach that. But I can teach data. I can teach whatever. Pm, whatever we need to do. I could teach you how to do that or get you in touch with someone that can.

806 01:46:30.030 ⇒ 01:46:31.750 unknown: So that’s never the hard part, you know.

807 01:46:32.405 ⇒ 01:46:33.060 unknown: So.

808 01:46:33.060 ⇒ 01:46:34.040 unknown: That’s what I think.

809 01:46:34.040 ⇒ 01:46:37.959 unknown: I agree, and all in the company like.

810 01:46:38.200 ⇒ 01:46:46.119 unknown: I know Ryan’s like that, I know. I now know also, Rico’s like that. I know Luke’s not like that, right?

811 01:46:46.650 ⇒ 01:46:50.529 unknown: And it’s well when we have

812 01:46:50.680 ⇒ 01:46:55.809 unknown: options and when we have limited resources, it just tells us who we who fits

813 01:46:56.300 ⇒ 01:47:01.809 unknown: in this environment. And that I I honestly just think those are traits we need to.

814 01:47:01.950 ⇒ 01:47:03.380 unknown: We we need to look.

815 01:47:03.380 ⇒ 01:47:04.630 unknown: We don’t analyze.

816 01:47:04.850 ⇒ 01:47:09.440 unknown: Yeah. And I think when it comes to

817 01:47:09.750 ⇒ 01:47:15.159 unknown: that, you know, the 1st 4 questions that they ask is, what are your career goals? What are you really.

818 01:47:15.160 ⇒ 01:47:15.670 unknown: Yeah.

819 01:47:15.670 ⇒ 01:47:22.869 unknown: Professionally. What are you good at or not? Not good at, or not interested in doing professionally? And how will your last

820 01:47:23.120 ⇒ 01:47:24.030 unknown: 5 bosses.

821 01:47:24.030 ⇒ 01:47:24.390 unknown: Yeah.

822 01:47:24.390 ⇒ 01:47:26.810 unknown: You. I think it. It was.

823 01:47:27.230 ⇒ 01:47:34.490 unknown: It was easier for me to tell, because one he didn’t have clear career goals. I’m just talking about.

824 01:47:34.490 ⇒ 01:47:34.850 unknown: Yeah.

825 01:47:34.850 ⇒ 01:47:35.640 unknown: Great as an example.

826 01:47:35.640 ⇒ 01:47:36.440 unknown: Sure, sure, sure.

827 01:47:37.520 ⇒ 01:47:42.009 unknown: Didn’t have clear career goals, even if I probed him it just

828 01:47:42.160 ⇒ 01:47:44.509 unknown: I don’t know where his ambition is.

829 01:47:45.070 ⇒ 01:47:45.570 unknown: Yeah.

830 01:47:45.570 ⇒ 01:47:57.189 unknown: He will say yes to a lot of things. But if he doesn’t have something he really wants, he’s not gonna stretch into things because he wanted to just be. It’s just gonna be okay. I was asked of this. I’m going to do it.

831 01:47:57.330 ⇒ 01:48:07.250 unknown: So it’s just not. At least there was no thinking to put in what is going to be the next step. So if one cannot think for themselves, they’re not going to think for a company.

832 01:48:07.800 ⇒ 01:48:08.489 unknown: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

833 01:48:08.490 ⇒ 01:48:16.860 unknown: Step is, and then the second one. What are you good at professionally is well, like, I think, even.

834 01:48:16.860 ⇒ 01:48:21.439 unknown: You need to have some under. You need to have some ego to say to answer that right. But it’s good.

835 01:48:21.440 ⇒ 01:48:28.210 unknown: Right like I can. I can say I am good at organizing, because I know know I’m good at self reflecting, and it.

836 01:48:28.210 ⇒ 01:48:28.730 unknown: Yeah.

837 01:48:28.730 ⇒ 01:48:34.640 unknown: Like if you can’t say what you’re good at, and you can’t say what you don’t want to do

838 01:48:35.040 ⇒ 01:48:40.970 unknown: like you don’t have a specialty. And it’s it doesn’t. We don’t need someone who’s okay with it.

839 01:48:40.970 ⇒ 01:48:42.429 unknown: Need sort of generalist.

840 01:48:42.430 ⇒ 01:48:43.660 unknown: Exactly, so.

841 01:48:43.660 ⇒ 01:48:44.320 unknown: Yeah.

842 01:48:44.320 ⇒ 01:48:44.760 unknown: I do?

843 01:48:44.760 ⇒ 01:48:53.180 unknown: You know. That’s also what I told Ryan. Because, Ryan, he used to say, like, I’m a generalist like I can do anything. And I literally said, I’m like Dude, I get that. But

844 01:48:53.540 ⇒ 01:48:55.710 unknown: here we’re gonna over time

845 01:48:55.980 ⇒ 01:49:06.900 unknown: generalists, unless are not gonna win. We don’t need. We need people that are like awesome at the thing that they do for a while. We need people to be like good at 3 or 4 things, but it’s slowly gonna narrow

846 01:49:07.733 ⇒ 01:49:10.069 unknown: and so get good.

847 01:49:10.070 ⇒ 01:49:12.050 unknown: That’s what you what you told me.

848 01:49:12.050 ⇒ 01:49:12.710 unknown: Yeah.

849 01:49:12.710 ⇒ 01:49:13.510 unknown: Styled.

850 01:49:14.020 ⇒ 01:49:26.670 unknown: I don’t know, and I I’ve I’ve gone back and forth because, frankly, I don’t. If you look at my career I had. I went really deep and then, now I’m very, very wide, but it’s not a good place to be like.

851 01:49:26.800 ⇒ 01:49:30.690 unknown: not a good place to be unless you’re in like a position like mine where I have to be

852 01:49:30.960 ⇒ 01:49:38.639 unknown: cause cause you, then you have nothing you’re like, extremely good at. You just have like a bunch of things you’re shallow at. And for me, I was really good at data.

853 01:49:38.810 ⇒ 01:49:44.130 unknown: So that’s like what I was super super excellent at. And so I found that first, st

854 01:49:44.340 ⇒ 01:49:54.699 unknown: which then allows me to go a little bit broader on things. Let’s go into business finance, whatever, but I can still go back to, and I still love doing the data work, you know.

855 01:49:56.250 ⇒ 01:49:57.240 unknown: So.

856 01:49:58.070 ⇒ 01:49:58.720 unknown: Yeah.

857 01:50:00.890 ⇒ 01:50:08.079 unknown: Yeah, it’s interesting. I I do think that we do have. I think it. It’s also about, how do we get more people involved in hiring and

858 01:50:08.300 ⇒ 01:50:14.969 unknown: like, for example, can Rico start to run 1st round screens? If we have a common sort of understanding of.

859 01:50:14.970 ⇒ 01:50:18.330 unknown: Yeah, if we standardize it could. It doesn’t.

860 01:50:18.610 ⇒ 01:50:18.890 unknown: Okay.

861 01:50:18.890 ⇒ 01:50:21.680 unknown: It doesn’t matter how he judged it judges.

862 01:50:21.680 ⇒ 01:50:23.830 unknown: Yeah, it doesn’t matter. You’re right. You’re right. You’re right.

863 01:50:23.830 ⇒ 01:50:29.829 unknown: The only because of the 1st round interview. We’re not really telling the we’re not

864 01:50:30.260 ⇒ 01:50:35.979 unknown: judging anything or they like. There’s no act on your feet.

865 01:50:36.280 ⇒ 01:50:37.010 unknown: It’s just.

866 01:50:37.010 ⇒ 01:50:37.700 unknown: Yeah.

867 01:50:37.700 ⇒ 01:50:42.999 unknown: And then answering their standard questions which we have standard answers for.

868 01:50:43.570 ⇒ 01:50:48.319 unknown: Well, you know what we can do. Also we can. We can have them record a loom.

869 01:50:48.770 ⇒ 01:50:51.780 unknown: I know it’s possible it is. It’s like.

870 01:50:51.780 ⇒ 01:50:52.720 unknown: What do you think about that.

871 01:50:52.720 ⇒ 01:50:54.310 unknown: Interviews.

872 01:50:54.550 ⇒ 01:51:02.449 unknown: It is helpful, especially that allows us to screen more candidates. It might not be the most humane, but we can do it.

873 01:51:02.450 ⇒ 01:51:04.049 unknown: Yeah, yeah, I agree, I agree.

874 01:51:04.050 ⇒ 01:51:07.910 unknown: It could be really really short, it could be part of their applications.

875 01:51:08.010 ⇒ 01:51:08.690 unknown: It.

876 01:51:08.690 ⇒ 01:51:14.159 unknown: For for just I don’t know. I also think, like all of our companies, everybody in the company of time is so valuable.

877 01:51:14.490 ⇒ 01:51:23.530 unknown: So I don’t want like as much as I’m like, very thankful that you’re able to take 1st round screens like I don’t want you to be. You’re gonna end up like me, you’re gonna be in like a thumb ton of those. And

878 01:51:23.750 ⇒ 01:51:31.660 unknown: if if someone, if someone doesn’t want to join, if someone thinks we’re unethical for asking them to do a screen like.

879 01:51:32.430 ⇒ 01:51:41.459 unknown: okay, I don’t know. Like I could say, I can apologize and say, Look, we’re so inundated with candidates and and work. This would just help us verify that you’re real, and that you really want this

880 01:51:42.809 ⇒ 01:51:43.840 unknown: and

881 01:51:44.070 ⇒ 01:51:50.079 unknown: you crush it, and we’ll talk to you. That’s it, you know. Like, would that stop you? No. Would that stop me? No.

882 01:51:50.450 ⇒ 01:51:53.390 unknown: if I got that, I’d be like, Oh, yeah, hell, yeah, this is great. I’m gonna

883 01:51:53.640 ⇒ 01:51:57.340 unknown: put a polo on and like, try to try to rock this.

884 01:51:59.310 ⇒ 01:52:00.290 unknown: So.

885 01:52:01.050 ⇒ 01:52:13.620 unknown: Okay? Yeah. I think that’s that’s a good thing to implement input mode loom 1st round screen things

886 01:52:14.640 ⇒ 01:52:23.899 unknown: with 4 basic questions, and then

887 01:52:24.580 ⇒ 01:52:32.109 unknown: have score, and then, if it’s a loom it’ll be nice that we actually look at them.

888 01:52:33.650 ⇒ 01:52:34.560 unknown: Yes.

889 01:52:35.670 ⇒ 01:52:42.679 unknown: But I know that we will use AI to help us for because that’s for interviews.

890 01:52:42.800 ⇒ 01:52:43.710 unknown: Okay.

891 01:52:44.800 ⇒ 01:52:56.570 unknown: yeah, okay, I’m I’m just taking my notes from the Who book I’m making like a guide for for scoring. We can probably talk about it sometime.

892 01:52:59.270 ⇒ 01:52:59.990 unknown: It says.

893 01:52:59.990 ⇒ 01:53:01.950 unknown: I mean, it could be a management meeting topic.

894 01:53:01.950 ⇒ 01:53:03.050 unknown: Okay. Sure.

895 01:53:06.470 ⇒ 01:53:09.770 unknown: I’m sure wish would also be interested in reading that or anyone on this team.

896 01:53:10.740 ⇒ 01:53:12.800 unknown: I’m gonna add that in

897 01:53:15.850 ⇒ 01:53:25.879 unknown: to fire loom and the 1st round screenings.

898 01:53:27.900 ⇒ 01:53:31.780 unknown: Okay, added that.

899 01:53:32.840 ⇒ 01:53:33.360 unknown: Wait.

900 01:53:34.440 ⇒ 01:53:37.040 unknown: Yeah, I haven’t like the last.

901 01:53:37.190 ⇒ 01:53:48.450 unknown: I think this week has gotten a bit better? Probably because I the road maps are setting into place, and Vanamoy is gone

902 01:53:51.730 ⇒ 01:53:53.570 unknown: challenging like.

903 01:53:53.570 ⇒ 01:53:54.459 unknown: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

904 01:53:54.460 ⇒ 01:53:55.480 unknown: Okay, no, but.

905 01:53:55.480 ⇒ 01:53:59.260 unknown: No, but I know they they they suck like it’s fine, you know. I mean.

906 01:53:59.260 ⇒ 01:54:00.760 unknown: Like you don’t talk.

907 01:54:00.960 ⇒ 01:54:03.929 unknown: Oh, they’re they’re and yeah, I mean, I don’t know. They just like

908 01:54:04.430 ⇒ 01:54:09.120 unknown: they had no idea like what they’re doing. And look, it’s they paid us money, and we did our best.

909 01:54:09.120 ⇒ 01:54:13.370 unknown: I have no clue. Why, they even paid us to do something.

910 01:54:13.520 ⇒ 01:54:19.729 unknown: And and I it’s funny that they call it like trade secret. I was like, what is trade secret about this.

911 01:54:19.730 ⇒ 01:54:21.779 unknown: Yeah, I mean. But see, this is the thing is like.

912 01:54:22.220 ⇒ 01:54:27.080 unknown: yeah, what is trade secret about what we did? We did in a few months like, it’s not like a nuclear bomb.

913 01:54:28.600 ⇒ 01:54:30.039 unknown: But you know who knows?

914 01:54:31.670 ⇒ 01:54:36.959 unknown: This is what you’ll realize. This startup is just all sort of gimmicks and griffs like you never know.

915 01:54:37.610 ⇒ 01:54:38.440 unknown: Yeah.

916 01:54:39.700 ⇒ 01:54:50.379 unknown: Oh, well, but yeah. But this week the internal stuff is within my current knowledge. So it’s not challenging. It’s quite satisfying to be very honest, because I know what to do.

917 01:54:50.460 ⇒ 01:55:10.049 unknown: The client stuff sometimes is still new, because there’s always stuff coming up. And there’s like I need to roadmap. I need to make sure it actually works. And and we’re only the stuff that keeps me up at night is like, Oh, no, I how is this project working? It’s ABC gonna succeed. Are we doing enough stuff.

918 01:55:10.050 ⇒ 01:55:11.160 unknown: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

919 01:55:11.160 ⇒ 01:55:13.820 unknown: That’s what that’s what’s stressful.

920 01:55:14.429 ⇒ 01:55:19.020 unknown: The other, like the internal stuff, is just very fun.

921 01:55:22.320 ⇒ 01:55:25.099 unknown: Yeah, I’m having fun doing the financial models. Finally.

922 01:55:25.470 ⇒ 01:55:36.042 unknown: I know it does look really fun. You know we you did. You did the management meeting. I think it was it a quick blaze for Hannah.

923 01:55:37.250 ⇒ 01:55:41.980 unknown: Anyone else was listening apart from me. I found it really fun.

924 01:55:42.400 ⇒ 01:55:44.880 unknown: I thought I just wanted to show like.

925 01:55:44.990 ⇒ 01:55:49.269 unknown: I don’t know. I want people to see sort of like what all the different components and.

926 01:55:49.270 ⇒ 01:55:49.730 unknown: Yeah.

927 01:55:49.730 ⇒ 01:55:58.600 unknown: Look like we are. Another book you should read is a book called Measure. What matters read that you’ll sort of understand? Like, why? Okay, ours matter. And like.

928 01:55:58.920 ⇒ 01:56:04.030 unknown: look, we’re a data company. And if we don’t measure our company with data like, what are we even doing, you know? So.

929 01:56:08.043 ⇒ 01:56:08.869 unknown: oh, yeah.

930 01:56:09.310 ⇒ 01:56:10.030 unknown: Yeah.

931 01:56:10.130 ⇒ 01:56:10.855 unknown: Oh,

932 01:56:11.760 ⇒ 01:56:26.489 unknown: we have a 1 on one this Friday. We can move it, depending on when you’re free. I do wanna discuss my Q. 3 expectations of how this role should evolve and how like, how do I define my own okayrs?

933 01:56:26.490 ⇒ 01:56:26.960 unknown: Cool.

934 01:56:27.275 ⇒ 01:56:36.409 unknown: I am meeting on Friday with Alex. But I don’t. It would take too long. Depends on when you’re free, and when you want to do that meeting.

935 01:56:36.810 ⇒ 01:56:41.550 unknown: Yeah, I have 2 interviews in person on Friday. Kind of.

936 01:56:41.550 ⇒ 01:56:42.320 unknown: Oh, wow!

937 01:56:42.320 ⇒ 01:56:46.650 unknown: One at 2 o’clock, my time one at 4 o’clock, so I proposed

938 01:56:46.980 ⇒ 01:56:49.410 unknown: right after my 4 o’clock one. I can.

939 01:56:49.410 ⇒ 01:56:49.930 unknown: But.

940 01:56:50.380 ⇒ 01:56:52.640 unknown: Give you a call soon as I’m out.

941 01:56:58.480 ⇒ 01:56:59.350 unknown: That’s okay.

942 01:56:59.650 ⇒ 01:57:01.710 unknown: Yeah, I’ll I’ll ask

943 01:57:02.190 ⇒ 01:57:13.000 unknown: I’ll ask Alex when he’s free, cause we are because he was expecting us to do the Mcaw thing to on on Friday, but I think we already sent it.

944 01:57:13.130 ⇒ 01:57:23.209 unknown: So I’m just gonna update him on what it is. There’s nothing new. There’s nothing new that we created. We just copied over whatever exists.

945 01:57:23.970 ⇒ 01:57:24.990 unknown: Yeah, yeah.

946 01:57:24.990 ⇒ 01:57:27.360 unknown: Oh, okay, that sounds good.

947 01:57:29.365 ⇒ 01:57:33.120 unknown: How? How’s your weeks been doing? Has it gotten better.

948 01:57:35.980 ⇒ 01:57:44.079 unknown: it’s okay. I mean, I feel like, I’m doing a lot, being a lot more specific with not being on slack all day.

949 01:57:44.854 ⇒ 01:57:46.539 unknown: I pushed the AI team.

950 01:57:46.890 ⇒ 01:57:47.460 unknown: Yeah.

951 01:57:47.460 ⇒ 01:57:55.339 unknown: Yeah, I push the AI team to really try to pm their own things. And then they’re all really interested in like. So I said, go talk to go, call amber, call people

952 01:57:55.450 ⇒ 01:57:57.840 unknown: learn how they’re using products, like.

953 01:57:58.270 ⇒ 01:58:02.199 unknown: you know. So all of them, I think, just needed a little push to like.

954 01:58:02.690 ⇒ 01:58:07.240 unknown: Start to manage their own stuff. That that team is really really great. I mean, I think, probably like

955 01:58:07.610 ⇒ 01:58:12.440 unknown: such a high potential for impact within the company, the stuff that we’re building. But

956 01:58:13.353 ⇒ 01:58:21.359 unknown: yeah. And then pool parts is sort of back going. Got like another couple, probably 4 weeks worth of requirements. So that’s good.

957 01:58:24.710 ⇒ 01:58:31.940 unknown: yeah, I just, I’m slacking on fan stake and default at this point. So I wanna just make sure we get stuff

958 01:58:32.710 ⇒ 01:58:34.200 unknown: going for them?

959 01:58:38.090 ⇒ 01:58:46.280 unknown: And then, yeah, I think we’re on the marketing side. I don’t know. I’m I’m sort of like the moment I’m like. Now, that client stuff is sort of

960 01:58:46.420 ⇒ 01:58:48.239 unknown: I’m doing more client stuff.

961 01:58:48.580 ⇒ 01:58:53.400 unknown: It’s that’s gonna slip. So I feel like Hannah sort of feeling the pressure a bit

962 01:58:55.510 ⇒ 01:58:57.969 unknown: because there’s a lot of priorities. And

963 01:58:58.370 ⇒ 01:59:02.691 unknown: like we’re not gonna not have a list of things. But I don’t think she

964 01:59:03.410 ⇒ 01:59:07.730 unknown: I think she’s learning how to deal with all the different priorities, and how to prioritize.

965 01:59:07.940 ⇒ 01:59:08.910 unknown: Yeah.

966 01:59:08.910 ⇒ 01:59:29.430 unknown: I talked to her. I remember when I initially talked to her. She just wants to do design like stretch her into this role, but I don’t know if she’s the most happy doing it like she’s happy to help, but like overall, I don’t know how it is for her personal alignment.

967 01:59:30.670 ⇒ 01:59:36.480 unknown: Yeah, that’s what. Yeah. I think she she has to make a decision on what she wants to do

968 01:59:36.590 ⇒ 01:59:43.517 unknown: longer term. I mean, I I think she she is capable, but whether she wants it is is gonna be up to her

969 01:59:44.120 ⇒ 01:59:51.959 unknown: And to be very honest, what she’s helping with you can probably have said help with at a lower cost.

970 01:59:51.960 ⇒ 01:59:58.800 unknown: That was well, that was always the the that was always the goal. She wasn’t supposed to do partnerships work for

971 01:59:59.320 ⇒ 02:00:00.050 unknown: ever.

972 02:00:00.240 ⇒ 02:00:04.110 unknown: But yeah, it’s sort of like.

973 02:00:04.360 ⇒ 02:00:08.530 unknown: I mean, this is where it’s tough, because I have to decide on

974 02:00:09.320 ⇒ 02:00:11.200 unknown: putting people, even if they don’t

975 02:00:11.460 ⇒ 02:00:14.779 unknown: particularly want to be there. It’s just what the company needs.

976 02:00:14.980 ⇒ 02:00:18.569 unknown: And then my promise is to say, cool. We’re going to go find someone, you know.

977 02:00:21.050 ⇒ 02:00:31.199 unknown: Like we don’t have like a hundred we don’t have like a thousand people sitting waiting for stuff. So as soon as holes open up. I have to fill them, we Band-aid, and we sort of go find so.

978 02:00:31.200 ⇒ 02:00:32.030 unknown: Yeah.

979 02:00:32.030 ⇒ 02:00:35.909 unknown: Yeah, I mean, it’s all it’s also like, look at. It’s only been

980 02:00:36.150 ⇒ 02:00:46.860 unknown: so. We’re only we’re. We’re 7 months into the year, and last 3 months have been really good this this month. We really need to crush it for clients. I think we’re we’re gonna be able to hit over 100 K.

981 02:00:47.010 ⇒ 02:00:47.570 unknown: Oh, great!

982 02:00:47.970 ⇒ 02:00:50.599 unknown: So that that’s like our big milestone.

983 02:00:51.790 ⇒ 02:01:00.469 unknown: So I really really want to make that happen that’ll smooth a lot of things over. So I just gonna probably switch to just focusing on client stuff for a bit and

984 02:01:00.630 ⇒ 02:01:03.030 unknown: making that possible. And

985 02:01:03.760 ⇒ 02:01:10.819 unknown: on the marketing side, we just need to keep going. I just think so. There needs to be another driver there, like someone needs to be there pushing every day.

986 02:01:11.420 ⇒ 02:01:15.560 unknown: Because that’s that’s me. I don’t think anybody in the marketing team wakes up and is like.

987 02:01:16.200 ⇒ 02:01:18.350 unknown: Except like Ryan.

988 02:01:18.350 ⇒ 02:01:19.309 unknown: I see.

989 02:01:19.690 ⇒ 02:01:21.999 unknown: Like marketing design. I think they’re just like.

990 02:01:22.100 ⇒ 02:01:26.600 unknown: Oh, my God! There’s so much going on, and I show up and like, do this, do this, do this, and it gets done.

991 02:01:27.160 ⇒ 02:01:29.870 unknown: We succeed. But like someone else, needs to do that. Yeah.

992 02:01:29.870 ⇒ 02:01:40.907 unknown: I I mean, let me for the marketing side. Let me help them get it groomed first, st because they’re just at a loss, and it’s hard for Rico also to get a sense of what needs to be done.

993 02:01:41.190 ⇒ 02:01:46.960 unknown: Yeah, I can take a look at stuff tonight as well like I groomed through all of AI last night, and that helped.

994 02:01:47.800 ⇒ 02:01:50.730 unknown: I can go through. I’m gonna be up for a bit longer. I can go through that.

995 02:01:52.060 ⇒ 02:01:58.049 unknown: Yeah, I I guess all we need is a prioritization of the different.

996 02:01:58.050 ⇒ 02:02:00.499 unknown: So what if I just give foot priorities and everything.

997 02:02:01.883 ⇒ 02:02:08.759 unknown: Sure. Well, you can either do that or do a loom video

998 02:02:09.300 ⇒ 02:02:13.230 unknown: while you’re walking through it and talk about what you think.

999 02:02:13.550 ⇒ 02:02:14.290 unknown: Okay.

1000 02:02:14.500 ⇒ 02:02:27.280 unknown: Yeah, then that that will let me watch it, and then Rico can watch it. Hannah can review it, so that when we do further planning, we would know, like what’s important and what’s upcoming.

1001 02:02:27.910 ⇒ 02:02:28.880 unknown: Okay. Okay.

1002 02:02:30.760 ⇒ 02:02:31.760 unknown: Okay.

1003 02:02:32.130 ⇒ 02:02:32.610 unknown: Okay.

1004 02:02:33.090 ⇒ 02:02:35.669 unknown: That’s all. Rest. Well, please.

1005 02:02:35.870 ⇒ 02:02:37.020 unknown: I will! I will!

1006 02:02:37.170 ⇒ 02:02:37.960 unknown: Okay.

1007 02:02:38.590 ⇒ 02:02:40.019 unknown: Okay, thanks. Amber.

1008 02:02:40.020 ⇒ 02:02:40.940 unknown: Alright, good night.

1009 02:02:40.940 ⇒ 02:02:41.420 unknown: Bye.

1010 02:02:41.420 ⇒ 02:02:42.090 unknown: Good night.