Meeting Title: Brainforge CTA Diagramming Process Discussion Date: 2025-11-18 Meeting participants: Hannah Wang, Samuel Roberts
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1 00:00:23.810 ⇒ 00:00:25.100 Samuel Roberts: Hey.
2 00:00:25.290 ⇒ 00:00:26.460 Hannah Wang: Hi.
3 00:00:27.520 ⇒ 00:00:28.950 Samuel Roberts: How’s it going today?
4 00:00:29.700 ⇒ 00:00:32.240 Hannah Wang: It’s going.
5 00:00:34.150 ⇒ 00:00:40.940 Hannah Wang: For a long break, I don’t know. End of the year, it’s like you’re.
6 00:00:40.940 ⇒ 00:00:41.640 Samuel Roberts: Yep.
7 00:00:41.640 ⇒ 00:00:44.430 Hannah Wang: Just wanna not do anything.
8 00:00:44.430 ⇒ 00:00:45.610 Samuel Roberts: I know, I know.
9 00:00:46.400 ⇒ 00:00:47.430 Samuel Roberts: Feel that?
10 00:00:48.240 ⇒ 00:00:58.290 Hannah Wang: Alright, so… Yeah, this is, I guess, kind of like an ongoing thing that… just anyone who… designs.
11 00:00:58.670 ⇒ 00:01:17.979 Hannah Wang: diagrams needs help with, or I guess Ushman mentioned that, yeah, it’d just be helpful if there’d be, like, a template or something that y’all can use when creating architecture diagrams, or diagrams, flowcharts in general, just so that there’s, like, a cohesive feel to it, and also.
12 00:01:17.980 ⇒ 00:01:18.480 Samuel Roberts: Good.
13 00:01:18.480 ⇒ 00:01:20.810 Hannah Wang: That’s, like, easier for you guys.
14 00:01:20.990 ⇒ 00:01:34.270 Hannah Wang: So, yeah, you can maybe just share your screen and walk me through, like, just your process of creating these. My goal is just to figure out how I can…
15 00:01:34.700 ⇒ 00:01:38.720 Hannah Wang: kind of generalize reusable components.
16 00:01:38.720 ⇒ 00:01:39.380 Samuel Roberts: Okay.
17 00:01:39.670 ⇒ 00:01:44.829 Hannah Wang: And just make it easier for you to create stuff in FigJam, so…
18 00:01:44.830 ⇒ 00:01:45.710 Samuel Roberts: Okay, cool.
19 00:01:45.990 ⇒ 00:01:56.780 Samuel Roberts: Yeah, so, fair warning, this is the first time I’m really doing this from, like, start, from scratch. And, you know, I’m not necessarily a data guy to begin with, so I’m kind of learning as I’m going here, too.
20 00:01:56.780 ⇒ 00:01:57.230 Hannah Wang: Sure.
21 00:01:57.230 ⇒ 00:02:01.689 Samuel Roberts: So let me, let me share this window, at least.
22 00:02:04.450 ⇒ 00:02:08.829 Samuel Roberts: And I’m also trying to figure out exactly how I’m managing this stuff. So this is the list of…
23 00:02:09.340 ⇒ 00:02:11.960 Samuel Roberts: sources that we have for CTA.
24 00:02:12.190 ⇒ 00:02:16.379 Samuel Roberts: So, there’s a lot here, there’s, like, 50 of them.
25 00:02:17.370 ⇒ 00:02:27.229 Samuel Roberts: And so, I was just getting started, I just kind of created a blank one for now. I was pointed towards Eden as one that was kind of well-polished at this point.
26 00:02:30.150 ⇒ 00:02:30.809 Hannah Wang: Sorry, I’m kind of.
27 00:02:30.810 ⇒ 00:02:31.390 Samuel Roberts: Nope.
28 00:02:31.390 ⇒ 00:02:35.940 Hannah Wang: My, oh, go ahead. I just put in my headphones, and it, like, spat.
29 00:02:36.430 ⇒ 00:02:40.370 Hannah Wang: So, I didn’t hear anything from when you shared your screen to now.
30 00:02:40.370 ⇒ 00:02:44.359 Samuel Roberts: Okay, okay. I was saying, I just,
31 00:02:45.060 ⇒ 00:03:01.860 Samuel Roberts: this is the sources list, it’s pretty big, there’s, like, 50 of them right now. So I’m probably going to be prioritizing a few of those. I’ve got the meeting here, too, that I might have to refer to a few times, but, just starting a blank fig jam here, and then I have the Eden one.
32 00:03:01.960 ⇒ 00:03:05.579 Samuel Roberts: up, because it was pointed… I was pointed towards it as a…
33 00:03:05.920 ⇒ 00:03:08.639 Samuel Roberts: As a polished one, that’s pretty…
34 00:03:08.640 ⇒ 00:03:09.399 Hannah Wang: Yeah, I made that.
35 00:03:09.400 ⇒ 00:03:21.670 Samuel Roberts: Good to work off of. That’s what I… okay, good, yeah. That’s what I was told, so I was like, okay, yeah, we’ll work with that. So for me right now, the biggest question, and I don’t know how helpful some of this is, is I gotta figure out exactly how best to organize some of this stuff.
36 00:03:22.790 ⇒ 00:03:25.500 Hannah Wang: This was kind of just from a call.
37 00:03:25.690 ⇒ 00:03:28.959 Samuel Roberts: yesterday that Etum and I had,
38 00:03:29.270 ⇒ 00:03:33.199 Samuel Roberts: Where we just kind of went through everything with them, and… and…
39 00:03:33.370 ⇒ 00:03:35.979 Samuel Roberts: Try to understand this giant list that she had.
40 00:03:36.100 ⇒ 00:03:39.720 Samuel Roberts: We had another call today, so I know…
41 00:03:40.420 ⇒ 00:03:47.810 Samuel Roberts: I don’t know, but this is actually wrong, now that I’m getting it. This is something else. Let me… hold on, I can never remember.
42 00:03:48.110 ⇒ 00:03:53.669 Samuel Roberts: I wanted to update this here, but… again, I haven’t really done it yet, remembers, that’s what it is. Yes.
43 00:03:54.490 ⇒ 00:03:56.239 Samuel Roberts: Okay, I’ll put that here.
44 00:03:56.360 ⇒ 00:04:00.120 Samuel Roberts: How do they file it? Re… colon members?
45 00:04:04.940 ⇒ 00:04:14.670 Samuel Roberts: So yeah, we had a call with them earlier today, too, and that one I have a little more understanding of, but this is where I’m just, like, I’m not even sure where best to begin with dropping things in.
46 00:04:14.670 ⇒ 00:04:15.500 Hannah Wang: Totally.
47 00:04:15.500 ⇒ 00:04:19.239 Samuel Roberts: Are we looking for, like, logos and things? That seems like the mess, like, the most…
48 00:04:21.750 ⇒ 00:04:24.219 Samuel Roberts: So I don’t know, but I’ll try to grab…
49 00:04:24.490 ⇒ 00:04:26.050 Samuel Roberts: Something here, I guess? I don’t know.
50 00:04:28.090 ⇒ 00:04:35.579 Samuel Roberts: I… I’m also not great in Figma, because I’m not super well practiced with it, so I don’t even know… okay, cool, that does work.
51 00:04:35.580 ⇒ 00:04:38.210 Hannah Wang: Oh, nice. I did not know you could do that. Wow.
52 00:04:38.210 ⇒ 00:04:43.919 Samuel Roberts: I was, yeah, I mean, I was just hoping it worked, and it did, so we have remembers,
53 00:04:44.840 ⇒ 00:04:51.649 Samuel Roberts: And then the thing here becomes, like, where I want to organize these by, and which I’m saying kind of do it by, like, team and owner, but…
54 00:04:51.650 ⇒ 00:04:52.190 Hannah Wang: Okay.
55 00:04:52.190 ⇒ 00:04:54.269 Samuel Roberts: There’s not a ton of info here still.
56 00:04:54.600 ⇒ 00:04:55.970 Hannah Wang: Right.
57 00:04:55.990 ⇒ 00:05:00.160 Samuel Roberts: So I’m… I’m just kind of winging it here.
58 00:05:00.490 ⇒ 00:05:03.719 Hannah Wang: The last thing I just had, so Salesforce Marketing Cloud…
59 00:05:03.870 ⇒ 00:05:07.939 Samuel Roberts: was discussed, but they have an FTP server, Impexium we just did.
60 00:05:08.330 ⇒ 00:05:10.840 Samuel Roberts: Cvent is the actual event management.
61 00:05:13.340 ⇒ 00:05:16.899 Samuel Roberts: And then that’s a speaker management. Okay, so there’s a lot of…
62 00:05:17.090 ⇒ 00:05:20.130 Samuel Roberts: A lot of stuff flying around, this was a long meeting yesterday, so…
63 00:05:20.130 ⇒ 00:05:20.870 Hannah Wang: Mmm.
64 00:05:21.170 ⇒ 00:05:27.710 Samuel Roberts: I’m… alright, so this is the speaker management event point, I guess let’s… That’s looking for that.
65 00:05:30.800 ⇒ 00:05:31.620 Samuel Roberts: Cool.
66 00:05:32.320 ⇒ 00:05:33.390 Samuel Roberts: Yeah, alright.
67 00:05:34.460 ⇒ 00:05:36.840 Samuel Roberts: So we’re looking for some of this, this… I mean…
68 00:05:37.580 ⇒ 00:05:41.919 Samuel Roberts: This diagram also, I think, is gonna be, like, fairly simple right now, because it’s really just…
69 00:05:42.330 ⇒ 00:05:46.820 Samuel Roberts: what sources ETL’d into Snowflake, I think?
70 00:05:48.340 ⇒ 00:05:49.960 Samuel Roberts: I mean, that’s basically what’s going on.
71 00:05:51.990 ⇒ 00:05:53.450 Samuel Roberts: Here…
72 00:05:55.380 ⇒ 00:06:02.330 Samuel Roberts: Polyatomic segment text… yeah, we don’t really know what we’re using to ingest yet, so that’s a mystery box. We’ll just make that box, I guess, for now.
73 00:06:04.790 ⇒ 00:06:09.989 Samuel Roberts: And then… This is also where, like I said, my, lack of.
74 00:06:09.990 ⇒ 00:06:10.500 Hannah Wang: Oh, good.
75 00:06:10.500 ⇒ 00:06:14.480 Samuel Roberts: writing of Figma is… Just throw it in a box for now.
76 00:06:14.630 ⇒ 00:06:15.390 Samuel Roberts: Not good.
77 00:06:16.630 ⇒ 00:06:18.140 Samuel Roberts: I’m just gonna say, like, ETL.
78 00:06:19.950 ⇒ 00:06:23.910 Samuel Roberts: Yeah. And then, I think…
79 00:06:24.360 ⇒ 00:06:29.820 Samuel Roberts: Because I can pull Snowflake, which we might even have… Are we using Snowflake here?
80 00:06:29.820 ⇒ 00:06:31.810 Hannah Wang: No, it was BigQuery.
81 00:06:31.810 ⇒ 00:06:38.960 Samuel Roberts: Oh, yeah, I see that, okay. So, Snowflake, there’s probably a snowflake somewhere, but I’m not sure. Is that here, somewhere? I know there’s a big thing of logos, so…
82 00:06:39.200 ⇒ 00:06:42.150 Hannah Wang: Oh, right there. Oh, okay, that’s helpful for me to see, too.
83 00:06:42.150 ⇒ 00:06:46.459 Samuel Roberts: I found this… I’m not even sure where this came from, this was…
84 00:06:47.220 ⇒ 00:06:57.649 Samuel Roberts: we had done a, kind of FigJam session together for Insomnia, talking about things, and someone dropped this in, so I don’t know where this lives, I don’t know if this was…
85 00:06:58.250 ⇒ 00:07:00.430 Hannah Wang: Okay, I have an inkling, but…
86 00:07:00.430 ⇒ 00:07:00.810 Samuel Roberts: Okay.
87 00:07:00.810 ⇒ 00:07:02.210 Hannah Wang: Yeah. Okay, cool. Okay.
88 00:07:02.210 ⇒ 00:07:05.900 Samuel Roberts: Yeah, I’m just… I’m just grabbing it here because I know… I knew it was right there, so I had it open.
89 00:07:07.590 ⇒ 00:07:09.400 Hannah Wang: But Snowflake isn’t even there.
90 00:07:09.400 ⇒ 00:07:11.530 Samuel Roberts: I was just gonna say, I don’t even see it, is it?
91 00:07:12.220 ⇒ 00:07:13.059 Hannah Wang: No. That’s so funny.
92 00:07:13.150 ⇒ 00:07:14.030 Samuel Roberts: Okay.
93 00:07:14.420 ⇒ 00:07:16.299 Samuel Roberts: Alright, well, let me,
94 00:07:19.140 ⇒ 00:07:23.940 Samuel Roberts: Hopefully they’ve got a good… yeah, perfect. Okay, we’re just gonna keep doing this. This is my new system.
95 00:07:26.680 ⇒ 00:07:29.349 Samuel Roberts: Alright. So, I think…
96 00:07:29.650 ⇒ 00:07:32.990 Samuel Roberts: what I’m gonna do here is try to pull all the ones that involve, like.
97 00:07:33.240 ⇒ 00:07:36.970 Samuel Roberts: what is essentially, like, the customer stuff for CTA, which is, like.
98 00:07:37.690 ⇒ 00:07:41.720 Samuel Roberts: the event stuff… They also have, like, some membership…
99 00:07:46.180 ⇒ 00:07:51.919 Samuel Roberts: Finance IT Membership, what was this? That was Shopify. Oh, we weren’t sure what that was, though. Okay.
100 00:07:56.850 ⇒ 00:07:57.660 Samuel Roberts: Alright.
101 00:07:57.850 ⇒ 00:08:04.210 Samuel Roberts: Let’s keep going. There’s Cvent… And, of course, I don’t know what half these things even really are.
102 00:08:04.370 ⇒ 00:08:05.740 Hannah Wang: I know.
103 00:08:08.780 ⇒ 00:08:13.510 Samuel Roberts: Yeah, let me take that image. Hold on, let’s see if this works. This is not gonna work, I don’t think, no, okay.
104 00:08:13.760 ⇒ 00:08:15.669 Samuel Roberts: But we can make it work.
105 00:08:17.470 ⇒ 00:08:19.130 Hannah Wang: Oh, wow, okay.
106 00:08:20.040 ⇒ 00:08:22.330 Samuel Roberts: But I’m saying, like, this,
107 00:08:24.050 ⇒ 00:08:27.899 Samuel Roberts: Oh, no, they’re using a… right, okay, that’s not fun.
108 00:08:28.740 ⇒ 00:08:34.759 Samuel Roberts: Alright, I got another solution for this… They’ve outsmarted me, haven’t they?
109 00:08:36.740 ⇒ 00:08:38.840 Samuel Roberts: We’ll just go back and go to Images.
110 00:08:38.840 ⇒ 00:08:39.799 Hannah Wang: Yeah.
111 00:08:39.809 ⇒ 00:08:40.459 Samuel Roberts: here.
112 00:08:42.759 ⇒ 00:08:44.739 Samuel Roberts: So I think… oops.
113 00:08:46.409 ⇒ 00:08:48.789 Samuel Roberts: Okay, that’s way more than I need, though.
114 00:08:51.439 ⇒ 00:08:55.449 Samuel Roberts: Okay, so… Again, I’m not…
115 00:08:55.649 ⇒ 00:08:59.969 Samuel Roberts: a Figma person, really, but if I want to put these, like, inside something…
116 00:08:59.970 ⇒ 00:09:00.399 Hannah Wang: Huh.
117 00:09:00.400 ⇒ 00:09:03.860 Samuel Roberts: Would I just put them inside a square, or would I use a second?
118 00:09:03.860 ⇒ 00:09:04.400 Hannah Wang: That’s what I do.
119 00:09:04.400 ⇒ 00:09:10.980 Samuel Roberts: Okay. Oh, okay. That’s a good question. This must prob- this looks like a section, because it’s got a label, I think, right? That’s how that works?
120 00:09:11.620 ⇒ 00:09:15.789 Hannah Wang: I think the section is referring to the whole diagram. I think for the.
121 00:09:15.790 ⇒ 00:09:16.190 Samuel Roberts: Right.
122 00:09:16.190 ⇒ 00:09:18.540 Hannah Wang: sources, I just stacked it, and I didn’t.
123 00:09:18.540 ⇒ 00:09:23.659 Samuel Roberts: Yeah, well, I was just… I was trying to… I was gonna organize these raw data sources into, like, sub-things.
124 00:09:23.660 ⇒ 00:09:29.319 Hannah Wang: Okay, sure, yeah, section makes sense. Yeah. Okay. Like, with the marks, what we did with the marks, you can see it’s…
125 00:09:29.590 ⇒ 00:09:34.490 Samuel Roberts: Yes, exactly, perfect, okay, yeah. Alright, so we’ll drop that, because I think…
126 00:09:35.130 ⇒ 00:09:36.929 Hannah Wang: Nice. I’m gonna call this…
127 00:09:39.490 ⇒ 00:09:45.229 Samuel Roberts: Customers… We’ll say that, because then there is…
128 00:09:46.990 ⇒ 00:09:53.819 Samuel Roberts: trying to think how we had discussed it. There’s customers, there’s sales, I guess, was the other one that was mentioned, so let me just…
129 00:09:54.590 ⇒ 00:10:04.339 Samuel Roberts: So I don’t need it easily. So then we can say… Sales… we’ll drop this here… I mean, the…
130 00:10:04.640 ⇒ 00:10:08.969 Samuel Roberts: Diagram is gonna be pretty… pretty much this for now, until we get the rest of it, kind of like…
131 00:10:08.970 ⇒ 00:10:09.490 Hannah Wang: Got it.
132 00:10:09.490 ⇒ 00:10:12.130 Samuel Roberts: If this is really how we’re going, because this… there’s also…
133 00:10:12.820 ⇒ 00:10:15.749 Samuel Roberts: Let me actually add this, because there’s something here…
134 00:10:16.630 ⇒ 00:10:19.329 Samuel Roberts: We had a whole co- a whole call earlier where
135 00:10:19.600 ⇒ 00:10:24.219 Samuel Roberts: they already have data in Snowflake, so I don’t actually know if we’re gonna be…
136 00:10:24.320 ⇒ 00:10:28.029 Samuel Roberts: But it’s not… it was a whole… whole call about…
137 00:10:29.810 ⇒ 00:10:33.469 Samuel Roberts: how to move it between regions in Snowflake.
138 00:10:34.430 ⇒ 00:10:37.170 Samuel Roberts: So this is kind of a question mark, actually.
139 00:10:37.940 ⇒ 00:10:39.219 Samuel Roberts: Put that there for now.
140 00:10:39.800 ⇒ 00:10:41.080 Samuel Roberts: Cross ranges.
141 00:10:44.040 ⇒ 00:10:46.010 Samuel Roberts: do that for now.
142 00:10:47.450 ⇒ 00:10:51.280 Samuel Roberts: I mean, I guess I need to do a little bit more digging on some of these to figure out what
143 00:10:52.820 ⇒ 00:10:53.500 Samuel Roberts: I don’t hand.
144 00:10:53.800 ⇒ 00:10:58.630 Samuel Roberts: So what did I have the second one was? It was a vent point…
145 00:10:59.700 ⇒ 00:11:04.450 Samuel Roberts: Which is their speaker management. I might even label these a little bit more, because I’m never going to remember all this.
146 00:11:04.660 ⇒ 00:11:05.340 Hannah Wang: Right.
147 00:11:05.760 ⇒ 00:11:11.570 Samuel Roberts: So… How did the alt text display?
148 00:11:13.140 ⇒ 00:11:16.930 Samuel Roberts: That’s not gonna be helpful, is it? Okay, that’s probably just later.
149 00:11:17.750 ⇒ 00:11:18.520 Samuel Roberts: Okay.
150 00:11:18.830 ⇒ 00:11:20.840 Samuel Roberts: Maybe we’ll… oops.
151 00:11:24.960 ⇒ 00:11:27.399 Samuel Roberts: Is there a way to add, like, a…
152 00:11:27.880 ⇒ 00:11:30.409 Samuel Roberts: A little label to it or something?
153 00:11:30.560 ⇒ 00:11:33.899 Hannah Wang: I thought there was.
154 00:11:34.540 ⇒ 00:11:36.100 Samuel Roberts: Maybe…
155 00:11:39.960 ⇒ 00:11:43.949 Samuel Roberts: Widgets, plugins Alright. It might be because it’s just an image, and if I didn’t put it.
156 00:11:43.950 ⇒ 00:11:44.350 Hannah Wang: Right.
157 00:11:44.350 ⇒ 00:11:48.419 Samuel Roberts: I think maybe it’d be different, but I’ll just add some text here for now that we can associate with it.
158 00:11:48.920 ⇒ 00:11:52.070 Samuel Roberts: Just for my own. This might not stick around, but…
159 00:11:52.540 ⇒ 00:11:55.480 Samuel Roberts: Actually, I probably want to put this on the other side, because there’s gonna be arrows coming out of here.
160 00:11:55.630 ⇒ 00:11:56.360 Hannah Wang: Right.
161 00:11:56.730 ⇒ 00:12:03.430 Samuel Roberts: So I’ll do it this way. So this is this, and then… members… door… I don’t know.
162 00:12:04.460 ⇒ 00:12:05.659 Samuel Roberts: Should we just say.
163 00:12:06.170 ⇒ 00:12:13.120 Samuel Roberts: This, that’s speaker management, that one I can remember. Seedvent we had is the actual…
164 00:12:14.960 ⇒ 00:12:17.359 Samuel Roberts: People sign up for the events?
165 00:12:21.530 ⇒ 00:12:22.940 Samuel Roberts: two sites,
166 00:12:33.180 ⇒ 00:12:36.090 Samuel Roberts: This was a long one yesterday, it was like an hour and a half, so I don’t remember everything.
167 00:12:36.090 ⇒ 00:12:37.779 Hannah Wang: Yeah, long one.
168 00:12:41.110 ⇒ 00:12:42.290 Samuel Roberts: To be honest with you.
169 00:12:43.300 ⇒ 00:12:46.040 Samuel Roberts: Oh, God, that’s right, it’s gonna be a pain.
170 00:12:50.470 ⇒ 00:12:51.339 Samuel Roberts: Alright.
171 00:12:52.450 ⇒ 00:13:00.540 Samuel Roberts: This one will say… Place it there and say,
172 00:13:01.920 ⇒ 00:13:03.519 Samuel Roberts: What am I calling this event?
173 00:13:03.750 ⇒ 00:13:05.099 Samuel Roberts: attendees.
174 00:13:09.790 ⇒ 00:13:11.950 Samuel Roberts: Oh, that’s not how you spell any of this, Sam.
175 00:13:12.450 ⇒ 00:13:13.440 Samuel Roberts: Oh, come on.
176 00:13:14.760 ⇒ 00:13:18.890 Samuel Roberts: Now, this is the actual membership management, I’m guessing, then?
177 00:13:19.300 ⇒ 00:13:23.839 Samuel Roberts: We didn’t really… But it was also called Impexium of Narragan.
178 00:13:25.720 ⇒ 00:13:30.199 Samuel Roberts: also remembers that they’re rebranded to Association Management System.
179 00:13:38.170 ⇒ 00:13:39.460 Samuel Roberts: Membership…
180 00:13:39.850 ⇒ 00:13:49.759 Samuel Roberts: Okay, so that one… I don’t fully know how this is organized. I’m not sure what the memberships… I think they have a membership.
181 00:13:51.350 ⇒ 00:13:54.409 Samuel Roberts: to CTA or CBS, however that works.
182 00:13:55.200 ⇒ 00:14:00.240 Samuel Roberts: But then that’s distinct from, like, going to the events, which is also distinct from the speakers, so this all seems…
183 00:14:01.060 ⇒ 00:14:05.350 Samuel Roberts: Customers might not be the right term here, but I don’t know what we’re gonna end up calling it, so it’s fine for now.
184 00:14:07.690 ⇒ 00:14:12.429 Samuel Roberts: Let’s just get a few more of these in here so I can make this look a little bit more…
185 00:14:13.160 ⇒ 00:14:15.999 Samuel Roberts: Left out, so then what is doing salesy stuff?
186 00:14:17.220 ⇒ 00:14:21.960 Samuel Roberts: Zoom, but that’s not… I mean, it’s a date.
187 00:14:23.680 ⇒ 00:14:26.980 Samuel Roberts: Sales, Zapier… oh, okay, we’re gonna be talking about that.
188 00:14:27.210 ⇒ 00:14:29.940 Samuel Roberts: Salesforce, that’s definitely it, alright.
189 00:14:30.420 ⇒ 00:14:32.410 Samuel Roberts: Is that in here anywhere?
190 00:14:34.900 ⇒ 00:14:38.149 Hannah Wang: Salesforce, I don’t think so.
191 00:14:38.980 ⇒ 00:14:39.869 Samuel Roberts: Okay, cool.
192 00:14:46.110 ⇒ 00:14:51.790 Samuel Roberts: Let’s go to this as well, because that will be pretty… oh, look at that, Wikipedia to the rescue.
193 00:14:54.290 ⇒ 00:14:56.539 Samuel Roberts: So then, you know, this is where…
194 00:14:57.360 ⇒ 00:15:01.720 Samuel Roberts: My lack of understanding is there’s also Salesforce Marketing Club.
195 00:15:04.530 ⇒ 00:15:05.840 Samuel Roberts: Cheers.
196 00:15:07.870 ⇒ 00:15:08.920 Samuel Roberts: different…
197 00:15:27.860 ⇒ 00:15:32.420 Samuel Roberts: We’ll just have to label that, because I don’t think there’s going to be a logo for that. We’ll just make it a little box.
198 00:15:37.960 ⇒ 00:15:42.020 Samuel Roberts: Yeah… Let’s do this.
199 00:15:59.240 ⇒ 00:16:15.960 Samuel Roberts: It’s funny, my last, okay, that’s annoying. At my last job, or my last project, my last company, my partner was, like, a designer, so he was always in Figma, and whenever we got in there together, it was the most embarrassing thing, because he was, like, a wizard with everything, and I was just like, okay, am I clicking the right thing?
200 00:16:15.960 ⇒ 00:16:20.270 Hannah Wang: I feel that. That’s with any tool that you’re not familiar with, you see.
201 00:16:20.270 ⇒ 00:16:20.710 Samuel Roberts: Oh, yeah.
202 00:16:20.710 ⇒ 00:16:25.180 Hannah Wang: who’s, like, more… who’s better at it than you, and you’re like, I’m so slow.
203 00:16:25.180 ⇒ 00:16:25.790 Samuel Roberts: Yeah.
204 00:16:26.130 ⇒ 00:16:33.539 Samuel Roberts: Yeah, like, I thought I was decent at, like, spreadsheets, and then my sister was like, no, you don’t even understand, and she was, like, doing things I had no idea about.
205 00:16:33.540 ⇒ 00:16:35.920 Hannah Wang: It’s okay, we all… we can’t be masters of everything.
206 00:16:35.920 ⇒ 00:16:37.120 Samuel Roberts: Exactly, exactly.
207 00:16:37.120 ⇒ 00:16:37.950 Hannah Wang: settings.
208 00:16:38.590 ⇒ 00:16:42.060 Samuel Roberts: Exactly, that’s totally true. Okay.
209 00:16:44.790 ⇒ 00:16:50.740 Samuel Roberts: Okay, well, let’s just start at the top. So now we’ve got those ones… ExpoCAD was…
210 00:16:51.920 ⇒ 00:16:54.600 Samuel Roberts: The actual layout, oh, that’s right.
211 00:16:57.320 ⇒ 00:17:01.160 Samuel Roberts: You know what? I might just spend some time getting all these logos together.
212 00:17:01.160 ⇒ 00:17:01.520 Hannah Wang: Yeah.
213 00:17:01.520 ⇒ 00:17:03.909 Samuel Roberts: That would be more of a thing than I’m even realizing now.
214 00:17:03.910 ⇒ 00:17:04.800 Hannah Wang: Yeah…
215 00:17:04.800 ⇒ 00:17:09.269 Samuel Roberts: Because I don’t know, like, I don’t know where ExpoCAD would be organized into anything right now.
216 00:17:09.950 ⇒ 00:17:15.369 Samuel Roberts: Like, it’s just… Like, I don’t…
217 00:17:15.960 ⇒ 00:17:18.759 Samuel Roberts: Know what data we’re gonna get from there, necessarily, yet.
218 00:17:18.760 ⇒ 00:17:19.390 Hannah Wang: Hmm.
219 00:17:20.089 ⇒ 00:17:21.659 Samuel Roberts: It’s definitely some kind, yeah, like…
220 00:17:21.789 ⇒ 00:17:27.519 Samuel Roberts: Yeah, I don’t know what’s there, but that’s probably the way to go about it, is just make sure I get all of these…
221 00:17:30.619 ⇒ 00:17:31.559 Samuel Roberts: start this.
222 00:17:31.920 ⇒ 00:17:34.049 Samuel Roberts: Give myself a little bit of sanity here.
223 00:17:41.220 ⇒ 00:17:41.720 Hannah Wang: Yeah, it does.
224 00:17:41.720 ⇒ 00:17:42.120 Samuel Roberts: they had.
225 00:17:42.120 ⇒ 00:17:45.589 Hannah Wang: Takes a long time, huh? The logos.
226 00:17:46.010 ⇒ 00:17:48.410 Samuel Roberts: And of course, they’re gonna make it hard again here, too.
227 00:17:48.410 ⇒ 00:17:49.210 Hannah Wang: Yeah.
228 00:17:51.210 ⇒ 00:17:53.829 Samuel Roberts: Map your show, let’s go…
229 00:17:58.200 ⇒ 00:18:02.290 Samuel Roberts: Maybe that’s even how… I’m gonna not even worry about dropping these in the right places, maybe.
230 00:18:02.500 ⇒ 00:18:04.430 Hannah Wang: Mmm, just gather all of it.
231 00:18:04.430 ⇒ 00:18:12.799 Samuel Roberts: Yeah… Cadmium being replaced by open water, so I’ll eat both of those, I think.
232 00:18:15.050 ⇒ 00:18:15.920 Samuel Roberts: That’s obvious.
233 00:18:16.770 ⇒ 00:18:19.220 Samuel Roberts: Sorry, Ben. .
234 00:18:19.380 ⇒ 00:18:20.780 Hannah Wang: company. That’s what I do.
235 00:18:20.780 ⇒ 00:18:29.730 Samuel Roberts: Yeah, well, I was just… I was just gonna add it to this one, because I’m… and of course, open water, presence of heavy metal, that’s not even helpful. Open water, I definitely found the other day. Oops.
236 00:18:30.610 ⇒ 00:18:37.360 Samuel Roberts: This one found the other day, open water software…
237 00:18:38.170 ⇒ 00:18:40.210 Samuel Roberts: Yeah, okay, this is the right one, okay.
238 00:18:40.360 ⇒ 00:18:45.160 Samuel Roberts: So this one… I know is the right one.
239 00:18:46.710 ⇒ 00:18:50.999 Samuel Roberts: But what was… I don’t even… yeah, Cadmium Company, yeah…
240 00:18:56.560 ⇒ 00:18:59.529 Samuel Roberts: event management, education solutions, that’s gotta be it, right?
241 00:18:59.880 ⇒ 00:19:00.540 Hannah Wang: Yeah.
242 00:19:01.290 ⇒ 00:19:02.370 Samuel Roberts: Can’t imagine.
243 00:19:02.760 ⇒ 00:19:05.459 Samuel Roberts: How many other ones? Oh, okay, so small. Okay.
244 00:19:05.460 ⇒ 00:19:06.970 Hannah Wang: tiny. Okay.
245 00:19:07.150 ⇒ 00:19:14.880 Hannah Wang: So I’m getting the sense that, yeah, it’s a lot of dragging, or just getting the logos, And…
246 00:19:15.520 ⇒ 00:19:26.410 Hannah Wang: ugh, it’s like, because in the other diagram, I think Wyatt looks neater, I guess, in a way. Not that yours isn’t neat, it’s just all the boxes are the same size, and I…
247 00:19:26.540 ⇒ 00:19:30.360 Hannah Wang: they’re not images, like, I put them within rectangles, like, if you.
248 00:19:30.360 ⇒ 00:19:32.480 Samuel Roberts: Oh, I see.
249 00:19:32.480 ⇒ 00:19:34.420 Hannah Wang: I don’t expect, like.
250 00:19:35.030 ⇒ 00:19:36.140 Samuel Roberts: Oh, interesting, yeah.
251 00:19:36.140 ⇒ 00:19:47.449 Hannah Wang: do that, so I’m just trying to think of a way to make it, like, faster for you, where you can, yeah, copy the image into FigJam, like, the way you’ve been doing it, but, like, resize it in a way.
252 00:19:47.450 ⇒ 00:19:48.379 Samuel Roberts: Yeah, they all look you.
253 00:19:48.380 ⇒ 00:19:53.869 Hannah Wang: uniform, because… I don’t think so. I think you just.
254 00:19:53.870 ⇒ 00:19:55.519 Samuel Roberts: Yeah, I’m sure, okay.
255 00:19:55.720 ⇒ 00:19:58.430 Samuel Roberts: Okay, so I want to see… Oh, yeah, I don’t know. Yeah, go ahead.
256 00:19:58.430 ⇒ 00:20:05.149 Hannah Wang: So what I’m saying is, yeah, all the logos, and just, like, making sure there’s some way to make it all look uniform,
257 00:20:06.380 ⇒ 00:20:10.040 Hannah Wang: I’m just trying to think, yeah, of a way to, like, templatize it so that you can
258 00:20:10.460 ⇒ 00:20:17.140 Hannah Wang: copy, paste a template and just start filling it in, but I feel like every project is so different, and…
259 00:20:17.170 ⇒ 00:20:21.289 Samuel Roberts: Yeah, This one is gonna be so heavy on the left, with, like.
260 00:20:21.290 ⇒ 00:20:21.720 Hannah Wang: Right.
261 00:20:21.720 ⇒ 00:20:30.589 Samuel Roberts: like, here, there’s, like, a few different things happening here. Hopefully, I don’t know what’s happening in this middle part yet. But, like, you know, this side’s just gonna be so big.
262 00:20:30.590 ⇒ 00:20:31.190 Hannah Wang: Yeah.
263 00:20:31.190 ⇒ 00:20:39.499 Samuel Roberts: And again, I haven’t done this a ton, I don’t know, are the logos… I’m sure we want the logos, because it’s going to look right, rather than just labeling everything, but…
264 00:20:39.500 ⇒ 00:20:39.870 Hannah Wang: Right.
265 00:20:39.870 ⇒ 00:20:43.289 Samuel Roberts: I don’t know… yeah, what a better way to do that would be.
266 00:20:44.120 ⇒ 00:20:45.940 Hannah Wang: Okay,
267 00:20:46.010 ⇒ 00:20:52.529 Hannah Wang: That’s okay, I’ll just ponder that. And then also, I know you kind of struggled with, like, adding the labels and stuff.
268 00:20:52.530 ⇒ 00:21:07.139 Hannah Wang: I’m just trying to think out loud, like, what would be helpful for everyone else, like, that’s not on the design team to create one of these easily and make it look uniform. So maybe it’s just, like, me recording, like, a tutorial or something, I don’t know, like, how I…
269 00:21:07.330 ⇒ 00:21:12.989 Hannah Wang: structure it, and… but then, like, you know, I don’t know.
270 00:21:13.210 ⇒ 00:21:16.979 Samuel Roberts: I think there’s probably something like that, it’s probably even taking something like this…
271 00:21:16.980 ⇒ 00:21:17.420 Hannah Wang: Yeah.
272 00:21:17.420 ⇒ 00:21:23.119 Samuel Roberts: and maybe… Like, making it… Slightly more generic? I don’t know.
273 00:21:23.120 ⇒ 00:21:23.850 Hannah Wang: Right.
274 00:21:24.120 ⇒ 00:21:29.199 Samuel Roberts: I don’t know what that would look like, because, like, again, everything is going to be slightly different, but there’s always that kind of, like.
275 00:21:29.600 ⇒ 00:21:31.620 Samuel Roberts: Sources, ingestion, warehouse…
276 00:21:31.620 ⇒ 00:21:32.159 Hannah Wang: That’s right.
277 00:21:32.160 ⇒ 00:21:39.300 Samuel Roberts: Yeah, so I’m just… Maybe it is taking, like, a finalized one, or… and maybe showing…
278 00:21:39.650 ⇒ 00:21:44.360 Samuel Roberts: Because, like, here we’ve got, like, a few different things into the ingestion, into the warehouse, and then the reverse ETL, maybe it’s.
279 00:21:44.360 ⇒ 00:21:44.850 Hannah Wang: That’s just…
280 00:21:45.110 ⇒ 00:21:51.969 Samuel Roberts: As we realize, oh, this… this… Template doesn’t have… This example, you know?
281 00:21:52.390 ⇒ 00:21:52.940 Hannah Wang: Yeah.
282 00:21:52.940 ⇒ 00:21:59.580 Samuel Roberts: like, what is the most complicated thing it could be to have every little piece that could be copied and pasted in, or something? Which seems.
283 00:21:59.580 ⇒ 00:22:00.250 Hannah Wang: Yeah.
284 00:22:00.390 ⇒ 00:22:03.210 Samuel Roberts: Crazy to think about, but…
285 00:22:03.320 ⇒ 00:22:08.910 Samuel Roberts: And then, yeah, I suppose the rest is just, like, knowing how we want to, like, do the arrows and layouts and things, and making.
286 00:22:08.910 ⇒ 00:22:09.690 Hannah Wang: Yeah.
287 00:22:09.690 ⇒ 00:22:14.390 Samuel Roberts: but… I bet a tutorial makes some sense, and then…
288 00:22:15.150 ⇒ 00:22:22.059 Samuel Roberts: I don’t know, as detailed of a template as we can do without it being too overkill would be smart.
289 00:22:22.060 ⇒ 00:22:28.550 Hannah Wang: Yeah. I mean, this is not even the hardest one, I feel like, because I talked to Awash, like, a couple weeks ago about a diagram.
290 00:22:28.550 ⇒ 00:22:28.920 Samuel Roberts: Yeah.
291 00:22:28.920 ⇒ 00:22:31.880 Hannah Wang: did for HIP, and that one was like a…
292 00:22:32.100 ⇒ 00:22:37.119 Hannah Wang: It wasn’t, like, an architecture diagram, it was more of, like, a patient intake flow type of.
293 00:22:37.120 ⇒ 00:22:37.800 Samuel Roberts: Oh, shit.
294 00:22:37.800 ⇒ 00:22:39.499 Hannah Wang: Yeah, it was like…
295 00:22:39.830 ⇒ 00:22:45.690 Hannah Wang: craziness. Like, I didn’t… I did not know how… I don’t know how to make that generalize at all.
296 00:22:45.690 ⇒ 00:22:46.170 Samuel Roberts: Yeah.
297 00:22:46.170 ⇒ 00:22:57.739 Hannah Wang: So this is, like, a ticket that I’ve been, like, oh, like, I need a… I know it’d be helpful, but it’s just so… I don’t even know where to start. Like, if I can share my screen really quickly, I’ll just show you it. Sure.
298 00:22:57.920 ⇒ 00:23:00.350 Samuel Roberts: What it looks like.
299 00:23:01.010 ⇒ 00:23:01.630 Hannah Wang: Ew.
300 00:23:01.630 ⇒ 00:23:05.119 Samuel Roberts: Yeah, he’d asked me about something for diagrams, and oh my gosh.
301 00:23:05.120 ⇒ 00:23:10.689 Hannah Wang: Yeah, I was like, how the heck am I supposed to try to make this generalized? .
302 00:23:11.680 ⇒ 00:23:16.080 Samuel Roberts: Yeah, okay, so this is probably what he was working on the other… when I… because he asked me about…
303 00:23:16.200 ⇒ 00:23:17.999 Samuel Roberts: Some diagram stuff and using.
304 00:23:18.000 ⇒ 00:23:18.440 Hannah Wang: Okay.
305 00:23:18.440 ⇒ 00:23:22.839 Samuel Roberts: And what I had mentioned was Mermaid, which is, like, marked down…
306 00:23:24.850 ⇒ 00:23:27.469 Samuel Roberts: Diagramming, so it’s, like, it’s very, like…
307 00:23:27.660 ⇒ 00:23:32.640 Samuel Roberts: from a tech side, I’ve seen it used a lot, because you can embed it right into, like, GitHub readmees and stuff.
308 00:23:32.640 ⇒ 00:23:33.380 Hannah Wang: Oh, okay.
309 00:23:33.710 ⇒ 00:23:38.680 Samuel Roberts: But it’s… it’s much less… Easy to work with, it’s all text-based.
310 00:23:38.690 ⇒ 00:23:39.770 Hannah Wang: Which…
311 00:23:39.770 ⇒ 00:23:45.580 Samuel Roberts: is good and bad for, obviously, certain things, but let me see if I have an example one here,
312 00:23:46.940 ⇒ 00:23:48.690 Samuel Roberts: Yeah, I think I do, actually.
313 00:23:48.690 ⇒ 00:23:49.340 Hannah Wang: Okay.
314 00:23:49.340 ⇒ 00:23:50.450 Samuel Roberts: That’s open.
315 00:23:50.560 ⇒ 00:23:53.260 Samuel Roberts: And this is… Hold on.
316 00:23:55.580 ⇒ 00:24:06.040 Samuel Roberts: I can find it real quick. I actually was working with cursor… to… understand… A…
317 00:24:06.650 ⇒ 00:24:10.709 Samuel Roberts: New repository that we have for a potential client.
318 00:24:12.790 ⇒ 00:24:17.820 Samuel Roberts: And if I can make sure I have the right… piece here…
319 00:24:19.140 ⇒ 00:24:22.480 Samuel Roberts: Yeah, okay, let me, let me show you this real quick. Sure. I’ll show the screen.
320 00:24:26.120 ⇒ 00:24:39.790 Samuel Roberts: So, I was going back and forth with, you know, this is just… I got a new project, like, give me the high-level overview before I start jumping in. At some point, I asked it to diagram, because it was a bunch of microservices that all kind of work together.
321 00:24:40.080 ⇒ 00:24:50.409 Samuel Roberts: All based around this previous dev shop’s basic platform. So I was like, I had a hard time just following all of these different routes, and I said, give me a diagram, and it…
322 00:24:50.580 ⇒ 00:24:51.409 Samuel Roberts: Spitin’ this…
323 00:24:51.410 ⇒ 00:24:52.940 Hannah Wang: Oh, okay.
324 00:24:52.940 ⇒ 00:24:53.840 Samuel Roberts: is…
325 00:24:55.270 ⇒ 00:24:55.990 Hannah Wang: Hmm…
326 00:24:55.990 ⇒ 00:25:00.859 Samuel Roberts: a mermaid diagram. Now, as you can see, it doesn’t organize itself very well.
327 00:25:01.290 ⇒ 00:25:07.260 Samuel Roberts: But it’s all just this code, so, like, if I come here… oh, I didn’t share my whole screen, did I?
328 00:25:07.500 ⇒ 00:25:10.019 Samuel Roberts: Can I change to just sharing?
329 00:25:11.070 ⇒ 00:25:15.469 Samuel Roberts: This desktop… You still see what I’m seeing, except it’s… Yep.
330 00:25:15.670 ⇒ 00:25:17.100 Hannah Wang: I see your desktop.
331 00:25:19.170 ⇒ 00:25:22.719 Samuel Roberts: I think… Of course, I never remember what the actual…
332 00:25:25.170 ⇒ 00:25:27.400 Samuel Roberts: Let me live better, never do that.
333 00:25:31.000 ⇒ 00:25:33.320 Samuel Roberts: Playgrounds is where I normally come to.
334 00:25:34.460 ⇒ 00:25:35.849 Samuel Roberts: I just wanna, so…
335 00:25:37.590 ⇒ 00:25:45.139 Samuel Roberts: So basically, this is where I come, usually, and I’ve gotten ChatGPT to generate a few of these. Again, I… this is not, like…
336 00:25:45.800 ⇒ 00:25:53.540 Samuel Roberts: editable as well as it could be, like… and here’s the other side of it. I have not ever used the paid version of this, this is all.
337 00:25:53.540 ⇒ 00:25:54.040 Hannah Wang: Right.
338 00:25:54.040 ⇒ 00:25:57.430 Samuel Roberts: free open source part. So, like, theoretically.
339 00:25:57.650 ⇒ 00:25:59.949 Samuel Roberts: There should be a way that it can know
340 00:26:00.240 ⇒ 00:26:02.949 Samuel Roberts: To organize this, but it’s all kind of defined by…
341 00:26:02.950 ⇒ 00:26:03.790 Hannah Wang: Hmm…
342 00:26:03.790 ⇒ 00:26:11.620 Samuel Roberts: the order, so I bet if I, like, move something around here… Something changes, you know?
343 00:26:12.730 ⇒ 00:26:18.059 Samuel Roberts: these things are still defined, so, like, it knows from web to go to API and stuff, but…
344 00:26:18.060 ⇒ 00:26:18.760 Hannah Wang: Yeah.
345 00:26:19.060 ⇒ 00:26:26.929 Samuel Roberts: the order makes a difference, and so I’ve never really figured out how best to do that, but if there was a way that… and maybe it is their paid version, I don’t know.
346 00:26:31.770 ⇒ 00:26:34.219 Samuel Roberts: Yeah, I’m sure there’s some AI stuff, but like…
347 00:26:34.910 ⇒ 00:26:40.080 Samuel Roberts: Yeah, here you go. So, like, maybe there’s a way that we can… Get to a point where…
348 00:26:40.340 ⇒ 00:26:44.860 Samuel Roberts: using some AI tools and using some… maybe Figma’s just not quite the right for diagrams.
349 00:26:44.860 ⇒ 00:26:45.520 Hannah Wang: for us.
350 00:26:45.520 ⇒ 00:26:50.039 Samuel Roberts: I don’t know. Like, it’s… it’s obviously not bad, but to be consistent, what do we… what do we.
351 00:26:50.040 ⇒ 00:26:51.180 Hannah Wang: Yeah.
352 00:26:52.100 ⇒ 00:26:58.050 Samuel Roberts: And I know the only reason I started to bring this up is because we had talked about it the other day.
353 00:26:58.340 ⇒ 00:27:10.019 Samuel Roberts: Or a week or two ago, when he asked me if I knew anything that was good for, like, getting the AI to generate stuff, and I was like, well, this is text-based. There is a way to define styles and stuff.
354 00:27:10.020 ⇒ 00:27:10.930 Hannah Wang: Okay.
355 00:27:11.160 ⇒ 00:27:17.250 Samuel Roberts: Which, of course, I don’t… remember.
356 00:27:17.250 ⇒ 00:27:17.790 Hannah Wang: good.
357 00:27:18.010 ⇒ 00:27:20.030 Samuel Roberts: How it all worked, but this was…
358 00:27:21.670 ⇒ 00:27:22.690 Hannah Wang: Hmm…
359 00:27:23.330 ⇒ 00:27:28.810 Samuel Roberts: This is Mermaid.js, this is Mermaid Chart. I don’t know. Might be worth looking into, I don’t.
360 00:27:28.810 ⇒ 00:27:29.200 Hannah Wang: Okay.
361 00:27:29.200 ⇒ 00:27:32.410 Samuel Roberts: But this playground did let me…
362 00:27:33.650 ⇒ 00:27:36.940 Samuel Roberts: Changed some things, and it’s, you know, it’s very…
363 00:27:37.230 ⇒ 00:27:39.000 Samuel Roberts: code base, very techy, but I…
364 00:27:39.000 ⇒ 00:27:39.450 Hannah Wang: I think there’.
365 00:27:39.450 ⇒ 00:27:55.650 Samuel Roberts: the way to style it. And so, like, if we had, you know, predefined brain forge styles, you could drop in the top, you know, we might be able to make this look as good as Figma by the end. I don’t know. This is just one thing I’m aware of, so I don’t really want to go too, like, this is definitely the system, but…
366 00:27:56.000 ⇒ 00:27:57.350 Samuel Roberts: I don’t know…
367 00:28:00.130 ⇒ 00:28:05.500 Samuel Roberts: Is there a way to style? You can use the… yeah, style elements, or style statements. Okay.
368 00:28:05.720 ⇒ 00:28:09.090 Samuel Roberts: So I know there’s something here, I just don’t know how it actually works.
369 00:28:10.850 ⇒ 00:28:13.609 Samuel Roberts: Yeah, so I… it’s probably…
370 00:28:13.610 ⇒ 00:28:14.610 Hannah Wang: Oh…
371 00:28:18.780 ⇒ 00:28:19.500 Samuel Roberts: Yeah.
372 00:28:21.230 ⇒ 00:28:23.210 Hannah Wang: Okay, hmm.
373 00:28:23.590 ⇒ 00:28:28.660 Samuel Roberts: I don’t know. It might be down the wrong path, but it is something that might be a little more…
374 00:28:29.210 ⇒ 00:28:30.819 Samuel Roberts: Well…
375 00:28:31.890 ⇒ 00:28:38.900 Samuel Roberts: I don’t know if it’s better than just doing it in Figma and having to do a tutorial, but if we’re ever gonna lean on AI to do some of this for us.
376 00:28:39.170 ⇒ 00:28:43.040 Samuel Roberts: I don’t… like, the Figma MCP doesn’t let you do anything in Figma.
377 00:28:43.040 ⇒ 00:28:43.870 Hannah Wang: Right.
378 00:28:43.870 ⇒ 00:28:46.749 Samuel Roberts: It just lets you pull from Figma, right now at least.
379 00:28:47.640 ⇒ 00:28:52.739 Samuel Roberts: So, I don’t know, that’s one thought I’ve… you know, this is obviously a crazy diagram, but… and…
380 00:28:52.940 ⇒ 00:28:55.720 Hannah Wang: I mean, the waitress diagram was pretty crazy, too, so…
381 00:28:55.720 ⇒ 00:29:02.530 Samuel Roberts: Oh, but I’m wondering, like, background color, border color, I can tweak colors here, duplicate subgraph… I thought there’d be a way to, like.
382 00:29:02.780 ⇒ 00:29:03.769 Samuel Roberts: Drag these around.
383 00:29:03.770 ⇒ 00:29:05.140 Hannah Wang: Move it, right.
384 00:29:05.140 ⇒ 00:29:12.949 Samuel Roberts: And there might be… Edge current… yeah, so I can do some things here, but in a…
385 00:29:13.910 ⇒ 00:29:16.579 Samuel Roberts: better editor. I don’t really know what would be…
386 00:29:18.230 ⇒ 00:29:22.780 Samuel Roberts: what that is, but, like, this is, again, the free version, I don’t know…
387 00:29:23.340 ⇒ 00:29:26.919 Samuel Roberts: they always… every time I try to do something, like, save diagram, it’s like…
388 00:29:26.960 ⇒ 00:29:27.930 Hannah Wang: Yeah.
389 00:29:27.930 ⇒ 00:29:31.160 Samuel Roberts: And I’m like, so maybe they have a little bit more that you could do with it?
390 00:29:32.230 ⇒ 00:29:33.270 Samuel Roberts: I don’t know. Okay.
391 00:29:34.150 ⇒ 00:29:35.380 Hannah Wang: Okay, my…
392 00:29:35.380 ⇒ 00:29:38.170 Samuel Roberts: But, like, what is this line doing? Like, what is this?
393 00:29:38.170 ⇒ 00:29:40.520 Hannah Wang: Yeah, yeah. You changed it to natural, so that’s.
394 00:29:40.520 ⇒ 00:29:47.289 Samuel Roberts: Oh, that’s what I did! Okay, yeah. And it… that’s what it did? That’s insane. Okay, maybe not. I don’t know.
395 00:29:48.180 ⇒ 00:29:54.099 Hannah Wang: At a certain point, human… human input might be… I… Yeah.
396 00:29:54.140 ⇒ 00:29:58.069 Samuel Roberts: Because I always thought this would help you, like, flow it right, and auto-flow things.
397 00:29:58.070 ⇒ 00:29:58.759 Hannah Wang: Right. And it just never…
398 00:29:58.760 ⇒ 00:30:00.750 Samuel Roberts: worked well, I just had to, like…
399 00:30:01.630 ⇒ 00:30:07.759 Samuel Roberts: move things around in the order to make it the way I want it. I forget even what diagrams I was doing this for.
400 00:30:09.190 ⇒ 00:30:13.249 Samuel Roberts: I think it was… oh, hold on, I moved cursor over, didn’t I?
401 00:30:14.700 ⇒ 00:30:16.890 Samuel Roberts: Open folder, open recent.
402 00:30:18.870 ⇒ 00:30:21.929 Samuel Roberts: Somewhere… oh, no, it’s in Notion, I don’t have it with me right now, but…
403 00:30:21.930 ⇒ 00:30:22.430 Hannah Wang: Okay.
404 00:30:22.430 ⇒ 00:30:25.359 Samuel Roberts: My Notion was eating up memory, so I just closed it out.
405 00:30:25.360 ⇒ 00:30:25.890 Hannah Wang: Fair.
406 00:30:25.890 ⇒ 00:30:31.849 Samuel Roberts: I had a couple other diagrams that I had to play around with, and I was able to make them a little bit prettier by tweaking it, but…
407 00:30:32.040 ⇒ 00:30:37.100 Samuel Roberts: Actually, let me see if I can find it real quick, because it might be… it was…
408 00:30:37.790 ⇒ 00:30:39.470 Samuel Roberts: I don’t know if it’s helpful or not, but…
409 00:30:40.050 ⇒ 00:30:42.749 Samuel Roberts: Let me go to Notion, the browser, at least, so I don’t…
410 00:30:44.940 ⇒ 00:30:48.629 Samuel Roberts: Completely kill my computer again. I don’t know, do you use the Notion app?
411 00:30:48.910 ⇒ 00:30:51.569 Hannah Wang: I do, I didn’t know it kills that much.
412 00:30:51.570 ⇒ 00:30:56.989 Samuel Roberts: I had it open the other day, and granted, I had a few pages open, but I wasn’t using them, so I thought they would have been…
413 00:30:57.530 ⇒ 00:31:02.290 Samuel Roberts: I thought it would have been, like, kind of just sleeping them, and it…
414 00:31:02.290 ⇒ 00:31:02.660 Hannah Wang: Right.
415 00:31:02.660 ⇒ 00:31:07.839 Samuel Roberts: Just was the most used, like, the highest used memory application at that point on my machine.
416 00:31:08.330 ⇒ 00:31:11.000 Samuel Roberts: And I wasn’t even touching it, really.
417 00:31:12.130 ⇒ 00:31:15.700 Hannah Wang: Yeah, I feel like some of these apps are not, you know, optimized to.
418 00:31:15.700 ⇒ 00:31:16.110 Samuel Roberts: No.
419 00:31:16.110 ⇒ 00:31:17.640 Hannah Wang: Be open all the time.
420 00:31:17.640 ⇒ 00:31:19.469 Samuel Roberts: No, exactly, exactly.
421 00:31:20.430 ⇒ 00:31:21.930 Samuel Roberts: Client hubs, wasn’t it?
422 00:31:27.090 ⇒ 00:31:29.149 Samuel Roberts: Okay, I think they’re down here.
423 00:31:29.310 ⇒ 00:31:31.049 Samuel Roberts: Yeah, okay, so…
424 00:31:31.500 ⇒ 00:31:35.909 Samuel Roberts: Let me share this now that I’ve got it open. I can even send this to you if it will be, but…
425 00:31:38.980 ⇒ 00:31:39.800 Samuel Roberts: No.
426 00:31:40.060 ⇒ 00:31:47.239 Samuel Roberts: The access is, but… Somewhere… Okay, so these diagrams were just…
427 00:31:47.240 ⇒ 00:31:48.350 Hannah Wang: Oh, okay.
428 00:31:48.350 ⇒ 00:31:54.860 Samuel Roberts: spit out, and the thing about it is, like, this isn’t… this is code in… Notion defining this?
429 00:31:55.670 ⇒ 00:31:59.409 Samuel Roberts: So somewhere I can actually edit it. I don’t remember.
430 00:32:01.150 ⇒ 00:32:09.530 Samuel Roberts: Display… yeah, the code. So I had to tweak this around a little bit. This actually was kind of what was spit out from ChatGPT plus my tweaking.
431 00:32:10.720 ⇒ 00:32:18.760 Samuel Roberts: But, I was getting things, like, weird things where… like, like this little…
432 00:32:19.420 ⇒ 00:32:23.940 Samuel Roberts: here. And originally, like, these were all, like, shifted, like, this one was over here, and this one was over here.
433 00:32:23.940 ⇒ 00:32:24.880 Hannah Wang: Okay.
434 00:32:24.880 ⇒ 00:32:28.169 Samuel Roberts: I didn’t understand why it was doing that. Whatever the engine was, was doing.
435 00:32:28.170 ⇒ 00:32:28.609 Hannah Wang: something weird.
436 00:32:28.610 ⇒ 00:32:32.730 Samuel Roberts: weird, but I suppose if there’s a way to dial that in… I…
437 00:32:32.850 ⇒ 00:32:38.599 Samuel Roberts: I’m sure there’s a way to do that. Whether it’s worth exploring that deep is another question, but…
438 00:32:38.960 ⇒ 00:32:40.630 Samuel Roberts: Yeah, but how much time?
439 00:32:40.630 ⇒ 00:32:41.240 Hannah Wang: Yeah, it’s like, how much.
440 00:32:41.240 ⇒ 00:32:41.690 Samuel Roberts: time with you.
441 00:32:41.690 ⇒ 00:32:48.180 Hannah Wang: invest trying to move that area over via code versus, like, just moving it with your cursor in Figma. It’s like, I don’t… it’s like.
442 00:32:48.180 ⇒ 00:32:48.970 Samuel Roberts: Right, right.
443 00:32:48.990 ⇒ 00:32:49.790 Hannah Wang: But we basically…
444 00:32:49.790 ⇒ 00:32:52.409 Samuel Roberts: so many of these that I figured there had to be a…
445 00:32:52.920 ⇒ 00:32:53.450 Hannah Wang: Right.
446 00:32:53.690 ⇒ 00:32:57.440 Samuel Roberts: A good way to… not necessarily fully automate, but at least, like.
447 00:32:58.640 ⇒ 00:33:02.209 Samuel Roberts: I don’t know, make a quick stab at it. Yeah. A first pass.
448 00:33:02.430 ⇒ 00:33:06.670 Hannah Wang: Oh, I wish they could just export to Figma or something, like, that’d be…
449 00:33:06.670 ⇒ 00:33:09.170 Samuel Roberts: Yeah, that’s a… let me… I wonder…
450 00:33:11.770 ⇒ 00:33:15.609 Samuel Roberts: I wonder if that’s a good… Mermaid in Figma, Mermaid to FigJam.
451 00:33:16.990 ⇒ 00:33:20.229 Samuel Roberts: So there’s a couple plugins that do something, but I don’t know…
452 00:33:20.230 ⇒ 00:33:22.039 Hannah Wang: Oh, okay, learning…
453 00:33:22.040 ⇒ 00:33:24.460 Samuel Roberts: Actually, that’s not… that’s not too bad.
454 00:33:24.810 ⇒ 00:33:26.509 Hannah Wang: Merrific jam, okay.
455 00:33:27.320 ⇒ 00:33:32.989 Samuel Roberts: And looks, question is, like, when is it last updated? 5 months ago? Alright.
456 00:33:33.820 ⇒ 00:33:35.670 Hannah Wang: Decently recent, I guess.
457 00:33:35.670 ⇒ 00:33:37.629 Samuel Roberts: Yeah, it’s not as old as it could have been.
458 00:33:38.070 ⇒ 00:33:39.080 Hannah Wang: We’re made to fall.
459 00:33:39.080 ⇒ 00:33:41.920 Samuel Roberts: Bidirectional converter between mermaid flow starts and figuring.
460 00:33:43.580 ⇒ 00:33:45.690 Samuel Roberts: I’m gonna open that right now and see what happens here.
461 00:33:50.590 ⇒ 00:33:57.329 Samuel Roberts: So if I run generate flowchart from Mermaid, that’s not what I’m looking for.
462 00:33:58.480 ⇒ 00:34:00.170 Samuel Roberts: This is also where my, like…
463 00:34:01.400 ⇒ 00:34:04.200 Samuel Roberts: Mermaid in Figma, Mermaid 2 Fig Jam.
464 00:34:07.270 ⇒ 00:34:09.120 Samuel Roberts: Okay, oh, cool, okay.
465 00:34:09.420 ⇒ 00:34:10.360 Samuel Roberts: Oh, neat.
466 00:34:15.510 ⇒ 00:34:19.429 Samuel Roberts: I don’t know if you’re looking at it in Figma or anything, but I have a little editor here now.
467 00:34:20.530 ⇒ 00:34:21.750 Hannah Wang: What file are you in?
468 00:34:22.199 ⇒ 00:34:30.879 Samuel Roberts: I’m in… oh, if you… actually, I don’t know if you can see… I’m in the CTA, I can share that, too, with you, but the one I was sharing, but let me just share my screen, actually, because that’s probably the easier right now.
469 00:34:30.989 ⇒ 00:34:32.669 Samuel Roberts: So it looks like there is a way to…
470 00:34:34.060 ⇒ 00:34:35.650 Samuel Roberts: Add something here, so like…
471 00:34:40.719 ⇒ 00:34:44.529 Samuel Roberts: I don’t know what this does, but… and of course, I have no idea. I don’t know what the…
472 00:34:44.929 ⇒ 00:34:52.770 Samuel Roberts: Syntax at all, by… It’s always been just, like, me… Screwing around. Trying, yeah.
473 00:34:54.710 ⇒ 00:34:58.439 Samuel Roberts: Blowchart generated successfully. Yeah, so, you know… You’re gonna do things.
474 00:34:58.440 ⇒ 00:34:58.800 Hannah Wang: Yay.
475 00:34:58.800 ⇒ 00:35:04.669 Samuel Roberts: Probably, but you can also go the other way? That’s cool, okay. Alright, let’s undo this. -Oh.
476 00:35:05.050 ⇒ 00:35:06.390 Samuel Roberts: Did I lose everything? Okay, no, here we go.
477 00:35:06.390 ⇒ 00:35:07.520 Hannah Wang: Yeah, okay.
478 00:35:07.690 ⇒ 00:35:09.489 Samuel Roberts: I’m gonna try this the other way.
479 00:35:11.500 ⇒ 00:35:12.840 Samuel Roberts: Where… where did it go?
480 00:35:17.080 ⇒ 00:35:18.470 Hannah Wang: Maybe exit out and try to open.
481 00:35:18.470 ⇒ 00:35:22.210 Samuel Roberts: Yeah, exactly. Oh, and of course, I have no idea where plugins go.
482 00:35:23.450 ⇒ 00:35:24.160 Samuel Roberts: There we go.
483 00:35:24.160 ⇒ 00:35:25.309 Hannah Wang: Right there, yeah.
484 00:35:25.970 ⇒ 00:35:27.250 Samuel Roberts: Cool. Okay.
485 00:35:29.040 ⇒ 00:35:32.850 Samuel Roberts: There we go. So then if I want to select something, maybe?
486 00:35:33.720 ⇒ 00:35:36.539 Samuel Roberts: No flowchart elements found in this section.
487 00:35:36.960 ⇒ 00:35:39.000 Samuel Roberts: Interesting. Okay, well, it’s…
488 00:35:42.350 ⇒ 00:35:46.019 Samuel Roberts: I don’t know, but I mean, it could be an interesting way to go from…
489 00:35:47.510 ⇒ 00:35:49.980 Samuel Roberts: a few defined things into Figma.
490 00:35:50.430 ⇒ 00:35:51.180 Samuel Roberts: Maybe?
491 00:35:51.180 ⇒ 00:35:51.930 Hannah Wang: Right.
492 00:35:52.740 ⇒ 00:35:57.640 Samuel Roberts: But, like, this is not… no flowchart elements? So are there special types of elements here?
493 00:35:58.600 ⇒ 00:36:01.180 Hannah Wang: I have no idea about the arrow?
494 00:36:01.450 ⇒ 00:36:04.379 Samuel Roberts: That’s why I thought this arrow would have been something, yeah.
495 00:36:05.400 ⇒ 00:36:07.929 Samuel Roberts: What is a flowchart element?
496 00:36:11.940 ⇒ 00:36:14.630 Samuel Roberts: I know there’s, like, diagram stuff here…
497 00:36:14.630 ⇒ 00:36:18.889 Hannah Wang: Oh, I think it’s, like… the shapes…
498 00:36:19.330 ⇒ 00:36:19.780 Samuel Roberts: Yes.
499 00:36:19.780 ⇒ 00:36:22.399 Hannah Wang: If I grab this, what’s not that.
500 00:36:22.940 ⇒ 00:36:26.510 Samuel Roberts: I want to highlight in here and go like this. Nope, still not working.
501 00:36:26.510 ⇒ 00:36:28.099 Hannah Wang: Oh, lame. Okay.
502 00:36:28.100 ⇒ 00:36:29.759 Samuel Roberts: Might just be some weird thing with this.
503 00:36:30.050 ⇒ 00:36:30.950 Samuel Roberts: plug-in, but…
504 00:36:30.950 ⇒ 00:36:31.950 Hannah Wang: Right.
505 00:36:36.380 ⇒ 00:36:43.339 Samuel Roberts: Yeah, I don’t know. But anyway, I just wanted to share that, because if you were just discussing with the wage, I figured I was also just discussing with him, so…
506 00:36:43.340 ⇒ 00:36:45.280 Hannah Wang: Right, okay, is that…
507 00:36:45.540 ⇒ 00:37:03.399 Hannah Wang: I mean, if people prefer, like, coding their diagram, and then just doing it in Mermaid, and then transferring it to Fig… FigJam, and then tweaking it, like, just basically taking it to 80% via Mermaid, and then exporting it to FigJam to take it to the 100,
508 00:37:03.400 ⇒ 00:37:08.840 Hannah Wang: like, because I know you mentioned in the Notion page, for example, like, the small arrow, weird-looking.
509 00:37:08.840 ⇒ 00:37:12.140 Samuel Roberts: Yeah, oh, that’s a good… let me… let me pull those over.
510 00:37:13.210 ⇒ 00:37:17.739 Samuel Roberts: Let me see how these ones look. If I have this code, let me see what it does in Figma.
511 00:37:17.740 ⇒ 00:37:18.360 Hannah Wang: Yeah.
512 00:37:19.440 ⇒ 00:37:27.770 Samuel Roberts: Copy all that, and then… go over… let’s… Sort of plugins…
513 00:37:28.420 ⇒ 00:37:29.130 Hannah Wang: Honest.
514 00:37:29.550 ⇒ 00:37:30.730 Samuel Roberts: Girl.
515 00:37:30.730 ⇒ 00:37:31.320 Hannah Wang: Yeah.
516 00:37:31.860 ⇒ 00:37:33.090 Samuel Roberts: Yeah, okay.
517 00:37:34.580 ⇒ 00:37:36.469 Samuel Roberts: appears that… do this.
518 00:37:37.150 ⇒ 00:37:39.500 Hannah Wang: Oh, okay.
519 00:37:39.690 ⇒ 00:37:41.370 Samuel Roberts: That’s not quite…
520 00:37:41.390 ⇒ 00:37:44.319 Hannah Wang: I mean, I guess there was no style on any of those, so that’s…
521 00:37:44.320 ⇒ 00:37:50.930 Samuel Roberts: probably pick something in default, but maybe a way to do that. I don’t know. Again, this might be the totally wrong way to go about this, but…
522 00:37:50.930 ⇒ 00:37:52.130 Hannah Wang: No, all good.
523 00:37:52.130 ⇒ 00:37:57.930 Samuel Roberts: The only reason I was keen on it was because it was nice for ChatGPT to spit out the diagrams for me.
524 00:37:57.930 ⇒ 00:37:58.800 Hannah Wang: Hmm…
525 00:37:58.800 ⇒ 00:38:01.359 Samuel Roberts: So at least that as a starting point is nice.
526 00:38:02.020 ⇒ 00:38:06.279 Hannah Wang: I wonder why it looks different, though, and… and… fit.
527 00:38:06.280 ⇒ 00:38:06.860 Samuel Roberts: Yeah.
528 00:38:06.860 ⇒ 00:38:07.840 Hannah Wang: Jam.
529 00:38:08.190 ⇒ 00:38:08.760 Hannah Wang: I mean…
530 00:38:08.760 ⇒ 00:38:16.160 Samuel Roberts: This is just how it’s… Yeah, I don’t know, maybe however that plugin’s working, so maybe… Good evening.
531 00:38:17.720 ⇒ 00:38:21.600 Samuel Roberts: This is the diagramming tool, but they’re actual…
532 00:38:23.340 ⇒ 00:38:29.439 Samuel Roberts: So this is the open source, I’m trying to open editor… Mermaid Pro…
533 00:38:31.990 ⇒ 00:38:33.370 Hannah Wang: 14 AI.
534 00:38:33.370 ⇒ 00:38:37.849 Samuel Roberts: diagram or something? Maybe I’ll just do this and see what happens. Let’s find out.
535 00:38:39.010 ⇒ 00:38:39.720 Samuel Roberts: Wine.
536 00:38:46.160 ⇒ 00:38:47.530 Samuel Roberts: That’s why not, okay.
537 00:38:47.530 ⇒ 00:38:47.980 Hannah Wang: Boo.
538 00:38:47.980 ⇒ 00:38:50.150 Samuel Roberts: Yeah, we’re not doing that. Alright.
539 00:38:50.150 ⇒ 00:38:50.510 Hannah Wang: Nope.
540 00:38:50.510 ⇒ 00:38:53.789 Samuel Roberts: Could be worth exploring.
541 00:38:53.790 ⇒ 00:38:54.260 Hannah Wang: Yeah.
542 00:38:54.260 ⇒ 00:39:07.010 Samuel Roberts: But I, yeah, maybe not right this moment, but I don’t know, like, what it gives you. Again, even if you’re gonna go this route then, Mermaid might not be the best one. I just know it’s kind of… I’ve seen it around a bunch because of how, like…
543 00:39:07.450 ⇒ 00:39:09.619 Samuel Roberts: Fact that it is mostly open source, and…
544 00:39:09.620 ⇒ 00:39:11.630 Hannah Wang: Yeah, Gantt charts…
545 00:39:11.630 ⇒ 00:39:14.100 Samuel Roberts: There’s all kinds of stuff you can do here that, like.
546 00:39:15.300 ⇒ 00:39:18.340 Samuel Roberts: isn’t, you know, they don’t look the best for certain things.
547 00:39:18.340 ⇒ 00:39:18.840 Hannah Wang: Back to the dog.
548 00:39:18.840 ⇒ 00:39:21.020 Samuel Roberts: it’s great, but I don’t know how much…
549 00:39:21.340 ⇒ 00:39:25.580 Samuel Roberts: You can do to them to really drag them into, like, a…
550 00:39:26.680 ⇒ 00:39:29.800 Samuel Roberts: It’s like nothing about styling here, but there’s gotta be something.
551 00:39:31.590 ⇒ 00:39:33.740 Samuel Roberts: Color? I don’t know.
552 00:39:34.500 ⇒ 00:39:36.710 Samuel Roberts: Let’s explain. Let’s… here, we got this as well.
553 00:39:38.160 ⇒ 00:39:39.470 Samuel Roberts: Classes…
554 00:39:46.740 ⇒ 00:39:49.400 Samuel Roberts: Oh, this is for, like, just a specific kind of diagram lesson.
555 00:39:59.570 ⇒ 00:40:02.999 Samuel Roberts: Alright, not the most helpful search box in the world.
556 00:40:13.980 ⇒ 00:40:20.570 Samuel Roberts: And it’s… I don’t know, there’s a… it’s… it’s… it gets really… you know what I mean? I…
557 00:40:20.570 ⇒ 00:40:24.440 Hannah Wang: Yeah. I’m sure there’s a way to do some of this stuff, I just don’t know.
558 00:40:24.510 ⇒ 00:40:28.049 Samuel Roberts: Styling and customization, that’s what I’m looking for right there. Oh, we saw this earlier.
559 00:40:31.030 ⇒ 00:40:38.529 Samuel Roberts: just strokes, and… Yeah. And… I thought there might be a way to move things around better, but…
560 00:40:39.950 ⇒ 00:40:44.130 Samuel Roberts: Stroke with, stroke with blue fill… yeah, maybe not, I don’t know. Okay.
561 00:40:44.580 ⇒ 00:40:45.160 Samuel Roberts: Well…
562 00:40:45.160 ⇒ 00:40:48.580 Hannah Wang: Okay, well… We’ll see.
563 00:40:48.580 ⇒ 00:40:57.190 Samuel Roberts: And there’s probably other tools for diagramming, too, beyond that, but, you know, if we’re… if we want to leave Figma to do something like that, I figured the text was the helpful part, but…
564 00:40:57.380 ⇒ 00:40:57.780 Hannah Wang: Right.
565 00:40:57.780 ⇒ 00:40:58.540 Samuel Roberts: B.
566 00:40:58.540 ⇒ 00:41:04.310 Hannah Wang: Yeah, I wonder if Utam… because I’m sure there’s a reason why we’re sticking with FigJam. Maybe it’s just…
567 00:41:04.720 ⇒ 00:41:08.989 Hannah Wang: It’s nice that you can just drag and drop stuff,
568 00:41:08.990 ⇒ 00:41:09.720 Samuel Roberts: Yeah.
569 00:41:10.160 ⇒ 00:41:13.370 Hannah Wang: But, yeah, I’m wondering, like, If…
570 00:41:13.570 ⇒ 00:41:19.040 Hannah Wang: we want to move away from FakeJam, but I feel like FakeJam is where you centralize all of the
571 00:41:19.280 ⇒ 00:41:23.789 Hannah Wang: Diagrams, and… well, you already have it all in there, like, for all the clients and stuff, so…
572 00:41:23.790 ⇒ 00:41:25.090 Samuel Roberts: Yeah, yeah.
573 00:41:25.090 ⇒ 00:41:29.730 Hannah Wang: I don’t know, to, like, separate that might be a little confusing.
574 00:41:29.730 ⇒ 00:41:31.110 Samuel Roberts: Right, right.
575 00:41:31.710 ⇒ 00:41:43.330 Hannah Wang: Okay, yeah, I’ll just do my best, and then… Okay. I think I’ll just stick with FigJam for now, make the template, and then we can evaluate, and I can have people use it and see if it is actually helpful, and if not, we can.
576 00:41:43.330 ⇒ 00:41:43.970 Samuel Roberts: Yeah.
577 00:41:44.140 ⇒ 00:41:47.720 Hannah Wang: Think about using Mermaid or some other tool like that.
578 00:41:47.920 ⇒ 00:41:48.830 Hannah Wang: button.
579 00:41:49.150 ⇒ 00:41:49.969 Hannah Wang: Yeah, this was…
580 00:41:49.970 ⇒ 00:41:50.760 Samuel Roberts: Nothing is.
581 00:41:50.760 ⇒ 00:41:54.389 Hannah Wang: Super helpful, just seeing you, kind of what you needed.
582 00:41:55.210 ⇒ 00:42:00.900 Samuel Roberts: Yeah, I mean, like I said, this is… I’m the… I’m… this is my first time really doing this, so, like, the… Oh, good.
583 00:42:01.500 ⇒ 00:42:04.920 Samuel Roberts: Yeah, I don’t know if I’m even going about it the way other people would to start, but…
584 00:42:04.920 ⇒ 00:42:11.519 Hannah Wang: Yeah, everyone does it differently, so that’s kind of, like, also the challenge, too. It’s like, everyone has different ways of…
585 00:42:11.740 ⇒ 00:42:13.780 Hannah Wang: Making diagrams, and…
586 00:42:14.290 ⇒ 00:42:21.670 Hannah Wang: Yeah, it’s like, if I have… yeah. If there’s, like, a standardized way, everyone has to kind of shift how they’ve originally been doing it, and I don’t…
587 00:42:21.670 ⇒ 00:42:24.289 Samuel Roberts: Right. necessarily want that either, but…
588 00:42:25.300 ⇒ 00:42:26.030 Hannah Wang: Anyway…
589 00:42:26.030 ⇒ 00:42:30.109 Samuel Roberts: Yeah, but that might be… that might be a step in the direction towards, like, getting them out.
590 00:42:30.420 ⇒ 00:42:31.779 Samuel Roberts: In a more unified way.
591 00:42:31.780 ⇒ 00:42:34.530 Hannah Wang: Yeah, we actually have, like.
592 00:42:35.320 ⇒ 00:42:37.610 Hannah Wang: Yeah, exactly. I don’t wanna, like…
593 00:42:37.950 ⇒ 00:42:46.059 Hannah Wang: Yeah, and we already have, like, templates actually in FigJam, but I feel like… er, not FigJam, sorry, Figma.
594 00:42:46.060 ⇒ 00:42:46.550 Samuel Roberts: Whoa.
595 00:42:46.550 ⇒ 00:42:55.130 Hannah Wang: Which is different than FigJam, but I feel like Figma is a lot harder to use than Figma. Figma, or sorry, oh my gosh. Figma is a lot harder to use than FigJam.
596 00:42:55.430 ⇒ 00:42:56.180 Samuel Roberts: Yeah.
597 00:42:56.180 ⇒ 00:43:03.799 Hannah Wang: So, I think maybe that’s why people have stuck with FigJam. But yeah, like, Anne and I created a bunch of diagrams, and
598 00:43:03.960 ⇒ 00:43:08.799 Hannah Wang: Figma, which is where I feel like all the logos came from. Probably someone just copy-pasted.
599 00:43:08.800 ⇒ 00:43:10.610 Samuel Roberts: Oh…
600 00:43:10.610 ⇒ 00:43:12.610 Hannah Wang: From Figma to FigJam.
601 00:43:12.970 ⇒ 00:43:19.359 Samuel Roberts: Does that, and that works, though? Like, everything comes through, or is this just a… oh, yeah, okay, these are separate images.
602 00:43:19.640 ⇒ 00:43:29.119 Hannah Wang: I… Okay. Okay, yeah, maybe I’ll… I can send you a link to the Figma, and you can just click through and pull whatever you need. I don’t know.
603 00:43:29.120 ⇒ 00:43:29.499 Samuel Roberts: I’ve been here.
604 00:43:29.500 ⇒ 00:43:33.949 Hannah Wang: has everything, but I will send you that link after, and you can…
605 00:43:34.140 ⇒ 00:43:44.629 Hannah Wang: use it, and also feel free to look at the other diagrams that we’ve made. They all look very similar, but if you scroll through all the different pages in that Figma file, then…
606 00:43:44.630 ⇒ 00:43:44.970 Samuel Roberts: Okay.
607 00:43:44.970 ⇒ 00:43:46.760 Hannah Wang: be able to see stuff, but yeah.
608 00:43:46.760 ⇒ 00:43:47.540 Samuel Roberts: Cool.
609 00:43:47.540 ⇒ 00:43:51.030 Hannah Wang: Okay, yeah, thanks for your time, and…
610 00:43:51.030 ⇒ 00:43:51.770 Samuel Roberts: Yeah.
611 00:43:51.770 ⇒ 00:43:55.229 Hannah Wang: We can hang in there until Thanksgiving.
612 00:43:55.230 ⇒ 00:43:56.180 Samuel Roberts: Exactly.
613 00:43:56.650 ⇒ 00:43:57.770 Hannah Wang: Alright, talk to you later.
614 00:43:57.770 ⇒ 00:43:59.230 Samuel Roberts: Alright, yep, thanks.
615 00:43:59.230 ⇒ 00:43:59.740 Hannah Wang: Right?