Meeting Title: Brainforge Recruitment Discussion Date: 2026-03-06 Meeting participants: Uttam Kumaran, Jasmin Multani, Robert Tseng
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1 00:00:10.880 ⇒ 00:00:22.420 Uttam Kumaran: Hey. I’m sorry for that. No, no, no, you’re totally fine. We should have upgraded your Zoom. But, no, no, I mean, I was gonna say, whatever you accomplish at TikTok in the next two months, you’re already great, and so…
2 00:00:22.600 ⇒ 00:00:30.519 Uttam Kumaran: like, we want to have you work here now. I think… I agree with you that, like, I think you’re thinking about your longer-term career. Of course, for me, I’m thinking about…
3 00:00:30.840 ⇒ 00:00:32.409 Uttam Kumaran: The jersey on my back.
4 00:00:32.409 ⇒ 00:00:37.310 Jasmin Multani: So, whatever you do in the next month’s two months at TikTok is not gonna…
5 00:00:37.310 ⇒ 00:00:42.770 Uttam Kumaran: affect the fact that we want you to work here. Yeah. I also will say, and this is more from just, like.
6 00:00:43.120 ⇒ 00:01:00.720 Uttam Kumaran: as a person, and as a person who worked at a big company, like, the fact that that place is unstable should indicate to you that it will continue to be unstable. Whatever these people are telling you, and I’m sure you kind of also know this, is, like, totally… they’re just making shit up as they figure stuff out.
7 00:01:00.720 ⇒ 00:01:06.470 Jasmin Multani: And I always feel… I have a lot of friends at a lot of some of these companies that are really tumultuous. It never changes.
8 00:01:06.470 ⇒ 00:01:15.890 Uttam Kumaran: In my whole career, none of these places ever became, like, better. They just… everyone left, and then they got a new class of people, who then stayed another 3 to 5 years, and then left.
9 00:01:16.070 ⇒ 00:01:19.910 Uttam Kumaran: the… so, this comp… like, I don’t know, I’m like…
10 00:01:20.380 ⇒ 00:01:23.230 Uttam Kumaran: as a friend, or whatever, I’m like…
11 00:01:23.340 ⇒ 00:01:37.690 Uttam Kumaran: Dude, you see, these guys are crazy, crazy place to work. What… what else is… what else is there? We’re gonna… you’re gonna end up working for, like, all types of companies here, doing, like, actually making them millions and… and tens of millions of dollars.
12 00:01:38.270 ⇒ 00:01:46.239 Uttam Kumaran: again, I’m very, very biased, but, like, I’ve put myself in where I was, I’m like, this is awesome, because you get to work for, like, this, like.
13 00:01:46.580 ⇒ 00:01:54.210 Uttam Kumaran: half-billion dollar GLP-1 company here. We have, like, this huge home services business here in Texas that we’re working at.
14 00:01:54.410 ⇒ 00:01:55.020 Jasmin Multani: We’re gone.
15 00:01:55.020 ⇒ 00:02:02.399 Uttam Kumaran: kind of go enterprise, like, huge company stuff, where actually the challenge there is, like, planning and, like…
16 00:02:02.750 ⇒ 00:02:14.459 Uttam Kumaran: I don’t know, you’re gonna… you’re gonna get, like, 5 TikTok opportunities worth of knowledge in, like, the next 6 months, so I’m… and I don’t know, I can only show you that while you’re here, but, like, you talk to Amber, you talk to Greg.
17 00:02:14.590 ⇒ 00:02:18.489 Uttam Kumaran: Ask them how far they’ve come in the short time they’ve been here, and… and…
18 00:02:18.820 ⇒ 00:02:25.350 Uttam Kumaran: like, they’ll be like, yeah, we’ve… I’m, like, doing… I’ve, like, learned, like, 3 jobs worth of stuff in 6 months.
19 00:02:26.010 ⇒ 00:02:30.969 Uttam Kumaran: So, if you’re optimizing for learning, I’m like, dude, what better place?
20 00:02:30.970 ⇒ 00:02:40.899 Jasmin Multani: Trust me, I know, even when I was at DoorDash, I had an inkling where I was like, I want to leave, but then something else happened.
21 00:02:40.900 ⇒ 00:02:41.580 Uttam Kumaran: That’s sad.
22 00:02:41.580 ⇒ 00:02:42.210 Jasmin Multani: Thank you, thank you.
23 00:02:42.210 ⇒ 00:02:44.999 Uttam Kumaran: You’re in there, yeah. I mean, I went through 3 companies like this.
24 00:02:45.000 ⇒ 00:02:54.919 Jasmin Multani: Yeah, yeah. Or maybe it’s because, like, this offer happened so fast, because I was just so in the weeds of, like, getting things done, that I’m like.
25 00:02:55.430 ⇒ 00:02:56.340 Jasmin Multani: Oh.
26 00:02:56.340 ⇒ 00:03:10.889 Uttam Kumaran: Well, we have conviction. We move with conviction. I am not like those companies that dilly-dally and are, like, stringing people along. We don’t work like that. I told… I told Robert, I said, hey, is Jasmine crushing it? Are people giving good feedback? Let’s move.
27 00:03:10.890 ⇒ 00:03:19.380 Uttam Kumaran: like, we have millions of dollars to make, and I want to pay everyone here a ton of money, and I want to rock with a team that is high conviction, and so, like.
28 00:03:19.460 ⇒ 00:03:28.659 Uttam Kumaran: I basically… I’m thinking whatever TikTok would not do, right? They would move slow, they would change every… like, we don’t think like that, and so that’s our advantage, and that’s why…
29 00:03:28.860 ⇒ 00:03:37.629 Uttam Kumaran: people are now hitting their one-year mark with us, they’re trying to continue to grow. All of the people who I’m, like, CSOs and things, these are just, like, average engineers.
30 00:03:37.980 ⇒ 00:03:38.690 Uttam Kumaran: like…
31 00:03:38.810 ⇒ 00:03:51.850 Uttam Kumaran: we’ve built these people up, you know? And so, I… I don’t know, I… I think this is a great place to be, and as a friend, I’m like, I’m still… if you were like, yo, I’m gonna work on, like, the ByteDance merger, or like.
32 00:03:52.100 ⇒ 00:03:52.740 Jasmin Multani: No, no.
33 00:03:52.740 ⇒ 00:03:55.800 Uttam Kumaran: Or, like, I don’t know, I’d be like, okay, it’s a cool project.
34 00:03:56.030 ⇒ 00:03:59.830 Uttam Kumaran: But it sounds like hunky-dory stuff, like, you’re gonna do the same stuff here.
35 00:04:00.220 ⇒ 00:04:05.350 Jasmin Multani: it’s just a matter of timing, because I’m also traveling in March, for a week-long.
36 00:04:05.350 ⇒ 00:04:13.380 Uttam Kumaran: Okay, but then that’s okay, then that’s another thing, then. Like, talk… I could talk about vacation and travel, but then… then tell me about… then…
37 00:04:13.520 ⇒ 00:04:17.269 Uttam Kumaran: If it’s… because that we could work… we could work through, I’m not worried about that.
38 00:04:17.279 ⇒ 00:04:18.299 Jasmin Multani: Yeah, yeah.
39 00:04:18.299 ⇒ 00:04:21.299 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, yeah, no, it’s just a matter of… And I don’t mean to put pressure, I don’t mean to
40 00:04:21.740 ⇒ 00:04:23.759 Uttam Kumaran: But I want you to see how authentic, like.
41 00:04:23.760 ⇒ 00:04:24.190 Jasmin Multani: Yeah.
42 00:04:24.190 ⇒ 00:04:25.330 Uttam Kumaran: actually isn’t how…
43 00:04:25.500 ⇒ 00:04:32.389 Uttam Kumaran: like, I know you’re a very prepared person, and you’re used to how I used to be about, like, the way it works, but
44 00:04:32.390 ⇒ 00:04:46.139 Uttam Kumaran: fun thing about business is you can just do what’s best for your people and your clients, and this is what’s best, and, like, we… I’m not, like, we don’t play the politics, and it’s not like… like, both of us on the call are the sole decision makers.
45 00:04:46.140 ⇒ 00:04:47.459 Jasmin Multani: Yeah.
46 00:04:47.460 ⇒ 00:04:49.419 Uttam Kumaran: We move quick, you know, if we feel it.
47 00:04:49.670 ⇒ 00:04:51.369 Jasmin Multani: And the other benefit is, like.
48 00:04:51.550 ⇒ 00:04:56.499 Jasmin Multani: setting your own hours. I think that’s the biggest benefit, and not be constrained by…
49 00:04:57.710 ⇒ 00:04:59.989 Uttam Kumaran: There’s no office, there’s no weirdos.
50 00:04:59.990 ⇒ 00:05:05.350 Jasmin Multani: I know, I know, there was a lot of upside, it just didn’t matter of, like, timing it out, trust me.
51 00:05:05.780 ⇒ 00:05:08.990 Jasmin Multani: And, like, I think I’m just emotionally attached to.
52 00:05:08.990 ⇒ 00:05:15.360 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. No, I know, that’s what I’m trying to get to the… I know there’s intangibles, and I want you to think about those.
53 00:05:15.360 ⇒ 00:05:15.700 Jasmin Multani: Yeah.
54 00:05:15.700 ⇒ 00:05:18.449 Uttam Kumaran: You know, but I want to show you that we care a lot.
55 00:05:18.650 ⇒ 00:05:19.110 Jasmin Multani: Yes.
56 00:05:19.110 ⇒ 00:05:21.810 Uttam Kumaran: In no way did I say we’re gonna hire someone, so, like.
57 00:05:21.960 ⇒ 00:05:25.569 Uttam Kumaran: you’re… there’s no shot. Like, what I’m just trying to say is, like.
58 00:05:25.870 ⇒ 00:05:33.570 Uttam Kumaran: like, I have to fill this… I have to get Robert’s name out of that stuff ASAP, and so I will keep trying.
59 00:05:33.570 ⇒ 00:05:50.550 Uttam Kumaran: We will keep trying, you know, and we have some good, great candidates in the pipeline. I, of course, can’t promise that, like, if we find great people and we hire them, like, we will… that’s… that’s what we will do that’s best for the business. But we want you to work here. I would want you to work here on any timeline.
60 00:05:50.590 ⇒ 00:05:55.409 Uttam Kumaran: We’ve had people that have gone through this, that then 6 months later, like, now’s the moment, and it’s worked.
61 00:05:55.700 ⇒ 00:05:57.130 Uttam Kumaran: And so, like.
62 00:05:57.370 ⇒ 00:06:04.090 Uttam Kumaran: I don’t know, like, I… I think… I think we’re… we’re totally on the same page, you know, me and Robert, about… about you joining.
63 00:06:04.620 ⇒ 00:06:09.069 Jasmin Multani: Yeah, yeah. It’s just like, starting on Monday, I’m like, whoa! I genuinely thought.
64 00:06:09.070 ⇒ 00:06:13.399 Uttam Kumaran: Or you could do two, you could do the next week, you could do the next week, I’m looking at the count or whatever.
65 00:06:15.100 ⇒ 00:06:25.529 Uttam Kumaran: You know, that’s what… one… one week is a long time, like, we’ve only been in business, you know, seriously, maybe, like, 100 weeks. Like.
66 00:06:25.530 ⇒ 00:06:28.480 Jasmin Multani: I don’t know. I remember when Robert, when I was previously working with Robert.
67 00:06:28.480 ⇒ 00:06:30.799 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, think about where Robert was when you guys first started.
68 00:06:30.800 ⇒ 00:06:35.109 Jasmin Multani: Yeah, these were just, like, whispers, and now I’m like, okay.
69 00:06:35.230 ⇒ 00:06:40.669 Jasmin Multani: 10MARR goals by the end of the year. Okay, okay. Yeah.
70 00:06:41.350 ⇒ 00:06:48.179 Jasmin Multani: Yeah, I just need to think about timing, and, give you a hard answer, but…
71 00:06:48.710 ⇒ 00:06:50.789 Jasmin Multani: if… yeah, and I…
72 00:06:50.790 ⇒ 00:06:51.300 Uttam Kumaran: Sure, sure.
73 00:06:51.300 ⇒ 00:06:52.730 Jasmin Multani: I’m just gonna sleep on it, I don’t know why.
74 00:06:52.730 ⇒ 00:06:59.520 Uttam Kumaran: Okay, okay, that’s fine, that’s fine. I’m not looking for an answer, I just wanted to hear, like, a gut reaction, which I feel like you gave, that’s totally fine.
75 00:06:59.520 ⇒ 00:07:03.040 Jasmin Multani: Yeah, usually this is over email, and I can, like, freak out on.
76 00:07:03.040 ⇒ 00:07:11.250 Uttam Kumaran: Oh, yeah, I know. I would have called you today if this didn’t happen on the phone. There’s no escape! Fair enough.
77 00:07:11.250 ⇒ 00:07:18.030 Jasmin Multani: It is a matter of timing, and I see a lot of benefits, that’s why I went all in.
78 00:07:18.030 ⇒ 00:07:18.440 Uttam Kumaran: Cool.
79 00:07:18.440 ⇒ 00:07:22.799 Jasmin Multani: I mean, it’s not, like, you guys understand, there’s no promotion.
80 00:07:22.800 ⇒ 00:07:23.350 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
81 00:07:23.350 ⇒ 00:07:27.310 Jasmin Multani: TikTok. It’s just… they whip the lash, and…
82 00:07:27.470 ⇒ 00:07:29.020 Jasmin Multani: You either take it or you don’t.
83 00:07:29.020 ⇒ 00:07:32.249 Uttam Kumaran: No, but I think it’s time you cash in on other things you learned there.
84 00:07:32.250 ⇒ 00:07:33.450 Jasmin Multani: Yeah, yeah. You know?
85 00:07:33.450 ⇒ 00:07:34.140 Uttam Kumaran: like…
86 00:07:34.820 ⇒ 00:07:47.580 Uttam Kumaran: And the fact that you went… the fact that you went there, our clients are gonna be like, let’s fucking go, right? You know, and that’s why we are now the collective experience of all the companies that all of our people have worked at, you know?
87 00:07:47.580 ⇒ 00:07:48.310 Jasmin Multani: Which is a little tip.
88 00:07:48.310 ⇒ 00:07:58.180 Uttam Kumaran: great logo wall, so that’s what I’m pumped about, but as you… the work is not, like, it’s not that hard. It’s actually the complexity of, like, the… how does a business like ours
89 00:07:58.510 ⇒ 00:08:01.980 Uttam Kumaran: Run data teams fractionally for, like, 30 people simultaneously.
90 00:08:01.980 ⇒ 00:08:02.819 Jasmin Multani: That’s the.
91 00:08:02.820 ⇒ 00:08:03.430 Uttam Kumaran: like…
92 00:08:03.430 ⇒ 00:08:04.750 Jasmin Multani: Yeah, that’s true.
93 00:08:04.750 ⇒ 00:08:07.239 Uttam Kumaran: The simul chest that’s happening right now.
94 00:08:07.240 ⇒ 00:08:13.970 Jasmin Multani: You guys are leveraging AI, that’s very disdained, that big companies are not doing. Most of the time, it’s like…
95 00:08:14.340 ⇒ 00:08:18.280 Jasmin Multani: catch these edge cases and train the model, and I’m like.
96 00:08:18.390 ⇒ 00:08:35.540 Jasmin Multani: wow, I feel like I’m a 20… 20-year-old intern again at this age, so I think that was my frustration. It’s very comfy, but I honestly learned more in my first year and a half at DoorDash, and I think it’s mainly because my manager was a first 200.
97 00:08:35.620 ⇒ 00:08:39.600 Jasmin Multani: employee at DoorDash, so he had a bar, and he’s like.
98 00:08:40.120 ⇒ 00:08:53.219 Jasmin Multani: And he’s also someone I know from high school, so he’s very kind, he’s like, I know you can do better. Yeah. But, like, as a friend, I would tell you this, as a manager, think about this. And had a similar crossroad when, he left the company. I was like.
99 00:08:53.530 ⇒ 00:09:01.899 Jasmin Multani: I don’t really care about these other managers, maybe I should leave too. But then they swooped me in, they’re like, you can work on this machine learning substitutions thing.
100 00:09:01.900 ⇒ 00:09:02.570 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah.
101 00:09:02.720 ⇒ 00:09:08.320 Jasmin Multani: They got me, and I learned a lot, but then the payoff was, like.
102 00:09:09.020 ⇒ 00:09:18.309 Jasmin Multani: the pay… the payoff, I… I stayed, I stayed stuck. So, I’m mindful that I’m in the same crossroads right now, and I know…
103 00:09:18.310 ⇒ 00:09:22.700 Uttam Kumaran: I don’t mean to call it out, like, it’s… I… I was in that same spot, and like…
104 00:09:22.780 ⇒ 00:09:29.020 Uttam Kumaran: it’s really tough, and it’s tough to, like, see both paths forward. I just think it’s rare, like.
105 00:09:29.070 ⇒ 00:09:47.240 Uttam Kumaran: I, again, I always think about, would I work at Brainforge? And for a while, like, I don’t think I would have. Like, we couldn’t afford, we were, like, nothing. And now, I really think, like, the quality of the things that we’re going after, and the amount of AI that you’re gonna see at this company in the next 6… like, we’re gonna be on the edge.
106 00:09:48.770 ⇒ 00:10:00.010 Jasmin Multani: And I’ve seen it too, like, even in Robert and in Jor-El, I met up with… caught up with Jor-El, weeks ago, even the way you guys talk, very… not that it was bad before, but it’s like…
107 00:10:00.170 ⇒ 00:10:03.080 Jasmin Multani: I can see you guys have up-leveled.
108 00:10:03.080 ⇒ 00:10:05.669 Uttam Kumaran: Much, much serious, yeah. Yeah, so…
109 00:10:06.820 ⇒ 00:10:10.049 Jasmin Multani: Yeah, okay. Let me just sleep on…
110 00:10:10.050 ⇒ 00:10:10.390 Uttam Kumaran: Think about it.
111 00:10:10.390 ⇒ 00:10:11.750 Jasmin Multani: Cammer out the details.
112 00:10:11.750 ⇒ 00:10:12.150 Uttam Kumaran: Okay.
113 00:10:12.150 ⇒ 00:10:16.359 Jasmin Multani: of how I’m gonna make my ass to you guys, I am leaning on yes.
114 00:10:16.510 ⇒ 00:10:21.180 Jasmin Multani: Do you guys think I was… Gonna do strategy and analytics.
115 00:10:22.410 ⇒ 00:10:23.140 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, yeah.
116 00:10:23.370 ⇒ 00:10:24.640 Jasmin Multani: Okay, that was about… yeah, yeah.
117 00:10:24.640 ⇒ 00:10:31.999 Uttam Kumaran: No, I can… but this is where, like, I can tell, like, when people are, like, nervous about certain things. I think you also are very, like.
118 00:10:32.520 ⇒ 00:10:35.419 Uttam Kumaran: You won’t comment on things that you’re not sure about.
119 00:10:36.480 ⇒ 00:10:37.560 Jasmin Multani: I might… Oh, my goodness!
120 00:10:37.980 ⇒ 00:10:46.689 Uttam Kumaran: The job is to get you to do that, so you… so I kind of understand, like, how you could deal with that. The job of Greg, and the job of us.
121 00:10:46.910 ⇒ 00:11:05.269 Uttam Kumaran: with dancing with clients is all of that. You would… you would, like, you’d have an allergic reaction if you saw some of the ways we’re handling some of these. So I can… but I also know that you’re someone who’s like, I want to get challenged, but, like, safely. Like, pull, like, certain safety harnesses off one at a time, and so we’ll do that.
122 00:11:05.280 ⇒ 00:11:15.210 Uttam Kumaran: But… and everybody here has done that. And here, again, you have so much choice. Like, we are going to offer every upward role to everybody that exists in the company first.
123 00:11:15.600 ⇒ 00:11:31.290 Uttam Kumaran: Like, first, second, and third. I… those… there’s just not enough other names to put in any of those squares right now, so I can’t do that, but people who… and people who are right now at the company, everybody will move up if they want it.
124 00:11:31.370 ⇒ 00:11:38.900 Uttam Kumaran: and fill in the next roles. Like, we are not someone who, like, let’s go get a bunch of career people that have done this. Like, I don’t want to work with those people.
125 00:11:39.220 ⇒ 00:11:42.709 Uttam Kumaran: Like, I’d rather work with people who are passionate, that have aptitude, and I can teach.
126 00:11:43.220 ⇒ 00:11:51.260 Uttam Kumaran: And who will… maybe this is the first time doing X, but at least they’ll take it way seriously than someone who’s done it 100 times. Bad culture, doesn’t care.
127 00:11:52.050 ⇒ 00:11:55.319 Uttam Kumaran: So it’s… that’s how we’re gonna maintain the culture. But yeah, I mean…
128 00:11:55.510 ⇒ 00:12:08.239 Uttam Kumaran: I think you’re gonna rock. I think you also are, like, very serious and have a high bar, and, like, that’s what we need across all of these. Like, I… I need to move… I’m way too… I’m pretty patient, and we’ll… me and Robert both will be like, we’ll take care of it, and that attitude needs to move out.
129 00:12:08.720 ⇒ 00:12:19.219 Uttam Kumaran: Like, you know, for each of these things, they have to be serious, like, service leaders that keep the bar super, super high. Like, you’re… you need to be your first boss for the people here.
130 00:12:21.100 ⇒ 00:12:29.850 Jasmin Multani: also very perceptive on you picking up that I don’t comment on things that I’m not sure about. Like, that is, like, a value that I’ve, like, hard-set, but I didn’t realize
131 00:12:29.990 ⇒ 00:12:31.779 Jasmin Multani: People catch onto it, especially.
132 00:12:31.780 ⇒ 00:12:38.419 Uttam Kumaran: I don’t know if people do, but I… most of my… I was talking to this yesterday, most of my job is, like, anthropology now.
133 00:12:38.420 ⇒ 00:12:39.050 Jasmin Multani: Yeah.
134 00:12:39.050 ⇒ 00:12:39.420 Uttam Kumaran: about…
135 00:12:39.420 ⇒ 00:12:40.480 Jasmin Multani: human behavior.
136 00:12:40.480 ⇒ 00:12:43.779 Uttam Kumaran: It’s about putting people in the right spots, and I don’t like
137 00:12:43.970 ⇒ 00:12:47.280 Uttam Kumaran: doing this Excel thing and dragging people’s names, like, these are humans.
138 00:12:47.910 ⇒ 00:13:00.690 Uttam Kumaran: But that’s what it is, you know? So, I can’t… I want to put you in the spot that you want to be, and then also understand that you want to be challenged, and give you that challenge. Like, I think Amber is very, very similar.
139 00:13:00.910 ⇒ 00:13:05.789 Uttam Kumaran: In that, like, don’t be rarely prepared, and I come in and I’m like.
140 00:13:06.280 ⇒ 00:13:14.680 Uttam Kumaran: you just said… didn’t say anything, like, so what is it you’re actually trying to tell me? But then there’s other people who I know who are, like, too off the cuff, and we reign back.
141 00:13:14.900 ⇒ 00:13:27.200 Uttam Kumaran: But again, we nurture everybody, you know, and try to… the one ask I have is, like, where… where are you great right now? And then where do you want to go? And then let me draw… let me find… let me find that… find a way to make that happen.
142 00:13:27.360 ⇒ 00:13:27.870 Jasmin Multani: You know.
143 00:13:28.880 ⇒ 00:13:33.640 Jasmin Multani: I’ve always joked, or earnestly said that TikTok would be my last corporate job.
144 00:13:33.640 ⇒ 00:13:34.780 Uttam Kumaran: And then what?
145 00:13:34.780 ⇒ 00:13:39.630 Jasmin Multani: And then I started looking at opportunities, and I was like, oh shit, this is happening.
146 00:13:39.800 ⇒ 00:13:41.729 Uttam Kumaran: Oh, you mean you were gonna be at TikTok forever?
147 00:13:41.730 ⇒ 00:13:43.250 Jasmin Multani: No, I was not.
148 00:13:43.250 ⇒ 00:13:43.600 Uttam Kumaran: Yay.
149 00:13:43.600 ⇒ 00:13:49.459 Jasmin Multani: my… one of my co… we… I openly talked about it with my coworkers, and they would…
150 00:13:50.070 ⇒ 00:13:51.349 Jasmin Multani: Be like, yeah!
151 00:13:51.520 ⇒ 00:13:58.040 Jasmin Multani: One of my coworkers, actually, she… she left she left to…
152 00:13:58.190 ⇒ 00:14:10.729 Jasmin Multani: work with her friends on an AI law overlap with AI idea. They’re at YC right now, and I can tell she’s much happier. She’s 24, graduated with a CompSci degree.
153 00:14:10.730 ⇒ 00:14:26.180 Jasmin Multani: did data… did the data analyst role, because she’s like, I don’t feel like coding. But then she saw this great opportunity, and she’s like, yeah, I’d be an engineer again for this. And I think that’s the Gen Z spirit I’m trying to adopt.
154 00:14:26.860 ⇒ 00:14:32.400 Jasmin Multani: I feel like I can learn more through Gen Z than, people older than me.
155 00:14:32.560 ⇒ 00:14:44.600 Jasmin Multani: So now it’s just a matter of, like, put the action behind the words, and I think I’ve just been heads down, working, pushing things through in the last 4 weeks.
156 00:14:44.710 ⇒ 00:14:58.920 Jasmin Multani: and reading the news cycle, that I was like, oh wait, yeah, an offer’s gonna come at some point. I have to discuss this. So, I appreciate it, I am happy about this, I’m just trying to,
157 00:15:00.630 ⇒ 00:15:05.179 Jasmin Multani: hammer out the details, because A, the time off, and B,
158 00:15:05.350 ⇒ 00:15:08.140 Jasmin Multani: I’m trying to use all my medical benefits.
159 00:15:09.130 ⇒ 00:15:13.619 Jasmin Multani: Asap, because I have medical things happening.
160 00:15:13.740 ⇒ 00:15:25.040 Jasmin Multani: Or just, like, the routine checks. So, that’s… those are really the time constraints, and then third would be, like, at one point, do I leave my team feeling like…
161 00:15:25.620 ⇒ 00:15:26.080 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah.
162 00:15:26.080 ⇒ 00:15:28.489 Jasmin Multani: I’ve officially.
163 00:15:28.490 ⇒ 00:15:29.020 Uttam Kumaran: Sure.
164 00:15:29.260 ⇒ 00:15:30.030 Jasmin Multani: It feels…
165 00:15:30.260 ⇒ 00:15:38.929 Jasmin Multani: feels like a good end to the chapter. Sorry if that’s nostalgic and emotional, but I really do love the people on my team, and
166 00:15:39.400 ⇒ 00:15:43.630 Jasmin Multani: they’re such high collaborators that I just wanna, like, Leave this current.
167 00:15:43.630 ⇒ 00:15:47.740 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I know, you don’t want to, like, slam the door on your way out, yeah, for sure.
168 00:15:47.740 ⇒ 00:15:50.500 Jasmin Multani: Yeah, yeah, I do feel like my work…
169 00:15:50.500 ⇒ 00:15:52.429 Uttam Kumaran: and my reputation… Totally, totally.
170 00:15:52.430 ⇒ 00:15:56.319 Jasmin Multani: So I’m like, I want to leave without people feeling like, you were leading me.
171 00:15:56.320 ⇒ 00:15:58.230 Uttam Kumaran: 100%, I don’t know, I know.
172 00:15:58.230 ⇒ 00:16:03.820 Jasmin Multani: Yeah, yeah. And, I think, I mean, the team will be fine overall. We got an… new men.
173 00:16:03.820 ⇒ 00:16:13.439 Uttam Kumaran: I mean, it’s not like… the last three companies I worked at, I cared a lot about my team and the company, it’s just that, like, the leadership just, like, didn’t… Yeah. Yeah.
174 00:16:13.440 ⇒ 00:16:14.429 Jasmin Multani: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
175 00:16:14.430 ⇒ 00:16:16.060 Uttam Kumaran: It’s… it’s so painful.
176 00:16:16.060 ⇒ 00:16:16.430 Jasmin Multani: Yeah.
177 00:16:16.430 ⇒ 00:16:18.300 Uttam Kumaran: You know, but, yeah.
178 00:16:19.320 ⇒ 00:16:21.319 Uttam Kumaran: Sounds good. Okay.
179 00:16:21.320 ⇒ 00:16:33.439 Jasmin Multani: sleep on this, will not be starting in a week or two, but I’ll give you, let me, like, estimate how long, like, doctor appointments and this vacation will take, and then, get back to you with, like.
180 00:16:33.610 ⇒ 00:16:40.880 Jasmin Multani: a real answer. Okay. I’m just trying to, like, wring out as many benefits from corporate…
181 00:16:40.880 ⇒ 00:16:45.309 Uttam Kumaran: Totally fine. I’m okay, yeah, take, take your time and think it through.
182 00:16:45.720 ⇒ 00:16:47.310 Jasmin Multani: Okay, alright. Thank you guys!
183 00:16:47.590 ⇒ 00:16:48.000 Uttam Kumaran: Thank you.
184 00:16:48.000 ⇒ 00:16:49.000 Jasmin Multani: Time to work soon.
185 00:16:49.000 ⇒ 00:16:49.500 Robert Tseng: Thanks, Jasmine.
186 00:16:49.500 ⇒ 00:16:50.320 Jasmin Multani: See you soon. Bye.
187 00:16:50.320 ⇒ 00:16:50.810 Robert Tseng: Right.