Meeting Title: Brainforge Interview Follow-Up Date: 2026-03-05 Meeting participants: Haricesh Ratnaharan, Amber Lin, Kaela Gallagher
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1 00:02:16.230 ⇒ 00:02:17.210 Haricesh Ratnaharan: Hello?
2 00:02:17.400 ⇒ 00:02:18.900 Amber Lin: Heather, how are you?
3 00:02:18.900 ⇒ 00:02:20.130 Haricesh Ratnaharan: Good, how are you?
4 00:02:20.140 ⇒ 00:02:25.759 Amber Lin: I’m doing well. I know you’ve talked with Utsam and Robert before already, right?
5 00:02:25.760 ⇒ 00:02:27.079 Haricesh Ratnaharan: Yes, I have.
6 00:02:27.080 ⇒ 00:02:31.710 Amber Lin: Gosh, okay, so this is your… Third time talking to us.
7 00:02:31.710 ⇒ 00:02:32.330 Haricesh Ratnaharan: Yes.
8 00:02:32.920 ⇒ 00:02:40.550 Amber Lin: Very cool. Could you give me a little bit of context what you guys talked about? Just want to make sure I don’t keep asking you the same questions.
9 00:02:40.700 ⇒ 00:02:43.030 Haricesh Ratnaharan: Sure, I think…
10 00:02:43.030 ⇒ 00:02:46.159 Amber Lin: I’m trying to also pull up my notes, because it’s been a while.
11 00:02:46.370 ⇒ 00:02:50.620 Haricesh Ratnaharan: But I think we talked about,
12 00:02:50.850 ⇒ 00:03:00.260 Haricesh Ratnaharan: Okay, of course everything’s blank. So for the… I think it’s for the, customer success manager position, or something like that?
13 00:03:00.400 ⇒ 00:03:03.269 Haricesh Ratnaharan: So there’s a position out there,
14 00:03:03.400 ⇒ 00:03:19.800 Haricesh Ratnaharan: I think there’s only one other person on your team, or at Brainforge who’s in that position, and then there’s Utam, and, I think Robert, that’s it, pretty much, for that position. So that’s… that’s…
15 00:03:19.910 ⇒ 00:03:26.729 Haricesh Ratnaharan: I mean, there’s obviously more that I could go into, but that’s the position, I think, that I’m, that I’m interviewing for.
16 00:03:27.090 ⇒ 00:03:35.330 Amber Lin: Oh, gosh, okay, because right here, I have you for more on the data and inside senior associate side, so you’re saying…
17 00:03:35.330 ⇒ 00:03:42.499 Haricesh Ratnaharan: Maybe. I mean, that might be… I’m not sure, exactly what they ended up deciding, but I… when they told… when I talked to them, it was for that role.
18 00:03:42.710 ⇒ 00:03:53.229 Amber Lin: Okay, okay. What interests you more? Like, because we have a lot of flexibility inside, and we do have things opening up, so I was wondering, like, what…
19 00:03:53.230 ⇒ 00:03:59.019 Haricesh Ratnaharan: What interests you more, what excites you, and kind of where you want to go to in the future?
20 00:03:59.240 ⇒ 00:04:01.729 Haricesh Ratnaharan: Sure, so what was the role that you just mentioned?
21 00:04:01.790 ⇒ 00:04:11.319 Amber Lin: So, the role I’m looking at right now is the Senior Associate for Data and Insights, so probably something more similar to right now what you’re doing at Deloitte.
22 00:04:11.650 ⇒ 00:04:19.389 Haricesh Ratnaharan: Gotcha. Okay. I mean, that role would, is fine. I don’t have any particular… I mean, the biggest thing is, is that, like,
23 00:04:19.519 ⇒ 00:04:25.260 Haricesh Ratnaharan: I have had a few, leadership positions for the past year, and I’ve,
24 00:04:25.430 ⇒ 00:04:32.130 Haricesh Ratnaharan: gotten a really good taste for the things that work, and some of the things that don’t work, and I’d love to continue learning down that path.
25 00:04:32.130 ⇒ 00:04:46.500 Haricesh Ratnaharan: So any sort of form of sort of being able to lead, and also, you know, be as individual contributors, or kind of both leads, or both positions, is something I’d be interested in. But I’m also not too picky. Again, like, I think…
26 00:04:46.620 ⇒ 00:05:02.480 Haricesh Ratnaharan: coming from a consulting background, and then, you know, at Brainforge as a consult, you know, being a consulting firm as well, it’s, there’s a lot that I can contribute in several different spaces, so that’s kind of where I’m at with, so I’m not too picky, is kind of what I was trying to say.
27 00:05:02.880 ⇒ 00:05:08.430 Amber Lin: Gotcha, okay. When you say… when you say leadership positions, do you mean more of…
28 00:05:08.430 ⇒ 00:05:24.499 Amber Lin: leading communications or engagements with clients as you were working in consulting, or do you mean more so of managing a few junior associates under you? Like, what does that look like, and can you give me some samples in your daily work?
29 00:05:24.670 ⇒ 00:05:33.199 Haricesh Ratnaharan: Yeah, sure. So, it’s kind of a mix of both, right? So, what, for example, for the past year, I’ve been managing a data governance project
30 00:05:33.200 ⇒ 00:05:57.700 Haricesh Ratnaharan: So I am, owning the deliverable of the project. I’m owning the project management of the project. I also have a few, a few junior folks, working with me. I guess they’re technically working under me, but they’re working with us, I’d like to say, as a team. And so, they’re USI folks, so I do have, like, a lot of, like, international exposure.
31 00:05:58.110 ⇒ 00:06:05.609 Haricesh Ratnaharan: so in India, basically. But, basically, the project has, I…
32 00:06:05.820 ⇒ 00:06:09.139 Haricesh Ratnaharan: I’ve started the project from kickoff, so inception of the project itself.
33 00:06:09.690 ⇒ 00:06:25.300 Haricesh Ratnaharan: there is a budget involved, and, they let me know, okay, this is the budget, this is the… and, you know, we can hire folks for… or bring folks onto the project for this amount of cost, and so I helped… helped with some of the budgeting around that. And then I also,
34 00:06:25.420 ⇒ 00:06:35.100 Haricesh Ratnaharan: helped with hiring, or bringing on those folks, or doing the interviewing, letting them know what the… or giving them KT on, sort of, what the scope of the project is, what’s not in scope.
35 00:06:35.110 ⇒ 00:06:52.290 Haricesh Ratnaharan: And sort of the next sort of 5 weeks, or, 5 weeks milestones that need to be achieved to be able to kick the project off in the right direction. And then also communicating directly with stakeholders. So, it’s… for this project, it’s, like, it’s a huge data govern… it’s Deloitte’s data governance team, so we’re going from
36 00:06:52.290 ⇒ 00:07:02.279 Haricesh Ratnaharan: several facets within Deloitte, and applying data governance and controlling the data elements within, any team’s given data, so,
37 00:07:02.310 ⇒ 00:07:20.789 Haricesh Ratnaharan: the customer is Deloitte, it’s kind of weird, it’s Deloitte for Deloitte. So, that being, I am working directly with the stakeholders, which are other Deloitte members, but for these specific teams, gathering their inputs, saying, okay, this is the project plan, where do we need to tweak, this is what your output will be, and your outcome, and what you can do with that outcome.
38 00:07:20.790 ⇒ 00:07:31.989 Haricesh Ratnaharan: So I kind of have been across the board with that, so that’s kind of what I mean by, sort of helping, or in a leadership position and driving, a lot of those conversations and the work itself.
39 00:07:32.470 ⇒ 00:07:42.750 Amber Lin: Gotcha, for sure. I can also help answer a little bit of how leadership positions look like in our company. Sure. So, on a given project, we have
40 00:07:42.750 ⇒ 00:08:06.420 Amber Lin: essentially 3 types of leadership positions. There’s one that’s more similar to project management, looking at the timeline, looking at the scope, doing allocations. We call that an engagement planner. We have another position called Client Success Owner, which owns communication with the clients, and they sort of lean more on… even on the sales side, so
41 00:08:06.420 ⇒ 00:08:10.640 Amber Lin: They’re responsible for the relationship, they’re responsible for the renewals.
42 00:08:10.650 ⇒ 00:08:25.290 Amber Lin: And then there’s a service leader, which is someone very, very technical and experienced in that specific, vertical or domain. So that would be data, that would be, strategy, and then we also have AI.
43 00:08:25.310 ⇒ 00:08:30.920 Amber Lin: So I think what you’re describing is… is a good blend of…
44 00:08:30.930 ⇒ 00:08:46.500 Amber Lin: engagement planning and client communication. I do want to ask you a little bit more about, what has it been like? Have you dealt with external stakeholders? What has that looked like? Just a few examples there.
45 00:08:47.100 ⇒ 00:08:51.459 Haricesh Ratnaharan: Yeah, sure. You know, so, in addition to the project, like, I mean.
46 00:08:51.680 ⇒ 00:09:10.849 Haricesh Ratnaharan: being a Deloitte for Deloitte project, it’s… it’s almost exactly the same as external stakeholders, because they are looking for us as a team to contribute, or to create a new product according to what the specs are, and… and to deliver that product. So, directly working with them,
47 00:09:10.990 ⇒ 00:09:22.299 Haricesh Ratnaharan: every day is a big part of that. But setting that example aside, I’ve also worked with a lot of banks, so, directly working with,
48 00:09:22.300 ⇒ 00:09:36.779 Haricesh Ratnaharan: The clients as project managers, because there’s usually, at least on a given project, the client-side project manager, and then our project manager, and coordinating with them, to make sure that we’re all aligned, and the… we’re all, moving towards, sort of, the… the…
49 00:09:36.880 ⇒ 00:09:41.449 Haricesh Ratnaharan: the, the specific deliverable. So, those conversations.
50 00:09:41.830 ⇒ 00:09:44.160 Haricesh Ratnaharan: are very… I try to, I mean…
51 00:09:44.610 ⇒ 00:09:53.099 Haricesh Ratnaharan: I could talk a lot about, like, sort of how those conversations go, but generally, the goal I like to have is have all the conversations be targeted
52 00:09:53.100 ⇒ 00:10:05.759 Haricesh Ratnaharan: and have a specific outcome out of those conversations. I don’t like to waste people’s times, and people’s got… people have meetings all the time, so, I try to make sure the conversations try not to derail, but are still, sort of.
53 00:10:06.680 ⇒ 00:10:30.809 Haricesh Ratnaharan: connectable and, like, on a human level, right? Like, we’re not just products or anything, so we still be able to speak to, be able to speak on the work, and then also just casually, depending on the cadence I have with the client, right? So, I’ve worked with people who are very, like, no BS, I need, I just want to talk about work, and that’s all I want to do, and I go into those meetings very, planned and strategic, like, okay, this is where we’re at.
54 00:10:30.930 ⇒ 00:10:43.980 Haricesh Ratnaharan: I’ll set up weekly cadences with them so that they don’t, they don’t, you know, there is no… nothing on the table that gets forgotten, as well as, making sure that the project is shown to have progression.
55 00:10:43.980 ⇒ 00:11:08.849 Haricesh Ratnaharan: And then there’s other folks who are just, like, just, like, they’re more lackadaisical, they more, like, like to have more conversation rather than talk about work. And for those folks, I still kind of do the same thing, although I’m a little bit more human, a little bit more, conversational in that aspect. And I usually just handle the work itself offline and say, hey, this is where we’re at with this, and whenever I do need input on them, from those people, I usually just have a specific agenda in
56 00:11:08.850 ⇒ 00:11:18.609 Haricesh Ratnaharan: mind, and I try to stick to the agenda, and then save the remainder of the conversations towards the end of it. So, that’s kind of how I’ve handled both types of clients.
57 00:11:18.610 ⇒ 00:11:29.769 Amber Lin: Gotcha, sounds good. I do have another follow-up question. You mentioned you work with a lot of banks. I’m curious to see what’s the industries you work with,
58 00:11:29.810 ⇒ 00:11:40.830 Amber Lin: And also, on more of the function side, so what are the industries you work with, and on the function side, you said you worked in data projects, so two questions there.
59 00:11:41.230 ⇒ 00:12:00.739 Haricesh Ratnaharan: Yeah, sure. So, I mean, I’m a functioning data scientist, alright, so I’ve been a data scientist, since the start of my career. I have, you know, I started my career at Electric Park Research Institute, so I worked in the electric industry, but specifically for research. We did asset management there for a couple years. Then I went into consulting.
60 00:12:01.020 ⇒ 00:12:05.119 Haricesh Ratnaharan: at Cognizant, for a whole year,
61 00:12:05.300 ⇒ 00:12:15.920 Haricesh Ratnaharan: or half the year, I worked for a pharmaceutical client, and the remainder of the year, I worked for a rental car agency client. And then when I joined Deloitte,
62 00:12:16.240 ⇒ 00:12:35.999 Haricesh Ratnaharan: most of my clients have been FSI, so financial service industry, so think big banks, think, investment firms, and then I’ve also, sprinkled in, pharmaceuticals, internal projects, so as mentioned, like, so this Deloitte, project I’ve been on, as well as, the random, like,
63 00:12:36.000 ⇒ 00:12:43.500 Haricesh Ratnaharan: I don’t know, like, there’s, like, there’s been, like, a car manufacturer company I’ve worked with, so it’s just, like, sprinkled in, but, I’ve had sort of a wide variety.
64 00:12:43.500 ⇒ 00:12:51.950 Haricesh Ratnaharan: in clients, but in addition, I’ve had a wide… I’ve worn a wide variety of hats, so I’ve, work on… I’m working on data governance right now.
65 00:12:52.480 ⇒ 00:13:15.149 Haricesh Ratnaharan: I’ve been a data scientist, I’ve worked on data science projects as an individual contributor, as well as a strategic consultant, so planning the projects, and interjecting and ensuring that the subject matter experts kind of are guided in the right direction. I’ve also just worked on simple dashboarding, so I’ve done some public sector stuff with, like, the state of Tennessee.
66 00:13:15.160 ⇒ 00:13:28.890 Haricesh Ratnaharan: And so I’ve kind of been across the gambit when it comes to the data side. I’ve been on quite a few data engineering projects, that kind of goes back to the FSI side, so… so actually getting into the coding, actually getting into,
67 00:13:28.920 ⇒ 00:13:35.420 Haricesh Ratnaharan: into the nitty-gritty and, like, submitting, submitting, pushes for the code to get and stuff, so…
68 00:13:35.630 ⇒ 00:13:46.449 Haricesh Ratnaharan: I’ve been on the individual contributor side and data engineering side, which is great, so I do have sort of the context going into it, but I’ve stayed, more recently on the strategy and then on the delivery side.
69 00:13:47.380 ⇒ 00:14:11.450 Amber Lin: Gotcha, okay. When you mention strategy, do you mean strategy more in terms of, this is our plan of how you should structure your data, how you should set up these things, or do you more mean a business strategy of, hey, you guys should look into this opportunity? I’m just trying to, gosh, like, where in our company you would fit best into.
70 00:14:11.840 ⇒ 00:14:18.660 Haricesh Ratnaharan: Sure. So… Strategy as in, kind of both of what you just mentioned, so…
71 00:14:18.660 ⇒ 00:14:28.669 Haricesh Ratnaharan: there’s the planning, right? So, for example, we, we had a client who, they are trying to build out several health, like, related dashboards, and,
72 00:14:28.670 ⇒ 00:14:40.409 Haricesh Ratnaharan: we needed some type of plan, and so we got all the work for that, but, we needed a person who I came into as, to be able to plan how we’re going to extract the data, where is this data going to come from.
73 00:14:40.410 ⇒ 00:14:59.700 Haricesh Ratnaharan: If we have gaps in that, we need to establish cadences with the right stakeholders to get that data and to talk to them and say, hey, this is what we need, if there’s any questions. Once we did get that data, we hand it off to the engineering team, they come back to me and say, hey, we have found, you know, followed these following issues, and then go back to the stakeholders and say, hey, okay.
74 00:14:59.700 ⇒ 00:15:14.549 Haricesh Ratnaharan: this is what we… this is what we know, this is what we don’t know, this is what we’re asking. So that’s kind of the strategy side. But I’ve also done some of the selling side, so this project right here, I, you know, I created this reference, a reference database.
75 00:15:14.550 ⇒ 00:15:37.889 Haricesh Ratnaharan: In Databricks, and we used Power BI to sort of, as a UI, to be able to display the database and to display the data. And I’ve been able to successfully sell that, as data governance work to multiple internal teams, as well as, external clients. And so now they’re kind of flocking to us and saying, oh, like, we, you know, this is really interesting, this is really cool because we have a cool hierarchy view, and
76 00:15:37.890 ⇒ 00:15:53.219 Haricesh Ratnaharan: It may seem simple, but it has high impact, because most folks don’t know the reference data that they need to be using, and some of that information, they’re scrambling, they’re using spreadsheets, it’s very inefficient, and so to have a one source, a trusted place to be able to,
77 00:15:53.490 ⇒ 00:16:16.970 Haricesh Ratnaharan: to have that data, is very, cool for them, and also useful utility-wise. So I’ve been able to actually sell that work, and to, talk to, across many clients. And so right now, we have, like, you know, a R3, R4, and then, a new project called Project Archer that’s going to be taking on our team, and we got more funding for that. And we’re basically going to copy and paste what we did into their,
78 00:16:16.970 ⇒ 00:16:26.470 Haricesh Ratnaharan: using their data. So it’s pretty cool, and then we’re trying to figure out how to actually functionally utilize all of it at the same time, especially with the ones that, are internal to Deloitte.
79 00:16:26.810 ⇒ 00:16:34.589 Amber Lin: Gotcha, very cool, okay. I think I’ve learned quite a lot about your experience side. I do want to ask you about your
80 00:16:35.090 ⇒ 00:16:47.299 Amber Lin: Motivations of what you want to do in the future, why you’re considering finding another position, and say, if you were to
81 00:16:47.630 ⇒ 00:16:50.789 Amber Lin: Find a new job, like, what would motivate you
82 00:16:51.050 ⇒ 00:16:54.999 Amber Lin: In that new position. So, sorry, lots of questions.
83 00:16:55.000 ⇒ 00:16:56.189 Haricesh Ratnaharan: No, you’re good.
84 00:16:56.190 ⇒ 00:16:56.740 Amber Lin: fun.
85 00:16:56.890 ⇒ 00:16:59.969 Haricesh Ratnaharan: Yeah, sure, no, I think, first of all, like.
86 00:17:00.250 ⇒ 00:17:11.620 Haricesh Ratnaharan: this past year, with this project I’m on right now, especially, being a lead in this position, and actually being able to produce a deliverable, bring it to, bring it to the table, garner actual, like.
87 00:17:11.650 ⇒ 00:17:22.749 Haricesh Ratnaharan: interest in it, and then be able to sell it, and sort of, replicate it across the table, and across different teams has really inspired me to be able… and motivated me personally, as a,
88 00:17:23.260 ⇒ 00:17:38.189 Haricesh Ratnaharan: as a professional, say, okay, I didn’t know I could do this, or I didn’t think I could do this in the beginning, but I’ve been able to sort of pick up a few things, and really run with the skills that I’ve kind of newly… or newly found skills that I’ve built up. So…
89 00:17:38.230 ⇒ 00:17:54.720 Haricesh Ratnaharan: I want to take that into a slightly bigger scale, but I can’t… I don’t think I can get any bigger at Deloitte, at least from an ownership perspective. And so that’s what interested me when Utam messaged me and said, you know, this opportunity exists, and I talked to him, and then Robert, and then,
90 00:17:54.720 ⇒ 00:18:07.280 Haricesh Ratnaharan: I thought, okay, well, this… this might be the opportunity that I’m looking for. So that’s kind of the biggest motivator, to be able to sort of, run with ownership, and, kind of go as far as I can with that.
91 00:18:07.610 ⇒ 00:18:10.809 Haricesh Ratnaharan: I think that was, like, the main thing, to be honest.
92 00:18:11.080 ⇒ 00:18:26.880 Amber Lin: Okay, I think that also kind of answers your motivation question. I guess, then, to follow up on that very similarly, what would you look for in a company? So, is it the people, or is it the opportunities?
93 00:18:26.880 ⇒ 00:18:27.909 Haricesh Ratnaharan: Yeah. So…
94 00:18:27.910 ⇒ 00:18:28.930 Amber Lin: Question?
95 00:18:28.930 ⇒ 00:18:48.330 Haricesh Ratnaharan: If I was going to say… I feel like the standard answer is opportunities, but I also look for people, like, I’ve… being in consulting, like, I’ve… my… I’ve averaged 4 months on a project, just because… just how it is. It was a lot of, staff augmentation roles, so it just rotated every 4 months, different projects, and I’ve…
96 00:18:48.460 ⇒ 00:18:59.549 Haricesh Ratnaharan: I realized the… one of the biggest things is that I’ve succeeded, and the team generally has succeeded when you have the right people on the team, so that’s gone a long way.
97 00:18:59.550 ⇒ 00:19:01.930 Amber Lin: What’s the right type of people for you?
98 00:19:02.180 ⇒ 00:19:05.380 Haricesh Ratnaharan: For me, collaborative,
99 00:19:05.470 ⇒ 00:19:24.579 Haricesh Ratnaharan: we’re all kind of on the same wavelength as far as, like, what we’re trying to do, and the way Utam kind of expressed how Brainforge was, everybody on the team, or everybody in the company, I guess, is working towards, towards a specific goal, so I think, like, that’s kind of really helpful, to know that everybody’s kind of on the same wavelength there.
100 00:19:24.730 ⇒ 00:19:32.469 Haricesh Ratnaharan: collaborative, communicative, and, willing to help out one another is kind of another thing. Obviously, like.
101 00:19:32.720 ⇒ 00:19:49.670 Haricesh Ratnaharan: you’d like to contribute as much as possible and be… and become autonomous as possible, so to be able to aid any way as possible, any way to get that… to get me into a position of autonomy where I can kind of begin running and start to do things,
102 00:19:49.750 ⇒ 00:19:58.800 Haricesh Ratnaharan: as much as I can on my own is going to be… is going to go really far, especially with some guidance, of course, but, like, for the most part, going really far.
103 00:19:59.310 ⇒ 00:20:03.420 Haricesh Ratnaharan: But yeah, no, I think that’s… generally, I can… that’s kind of my answer there.
104 00:20:03.780 ⇒ 00:20:04.420 Amber Lin: Okay.
105 00:20:04.590 ⇒ 00:20:11.599 Amber Lin: Very cool. We have about 12 minutes left. Do you have any questions that I can help answer?
106 00:20:12.210 ⇒ 00:20:19.959 Haricesh Ratnaharan: Yeah, so I know we talked in the beginning about, I think it was, like, there’s, like, 3 general roles that, you guys have, so, you know.
107 00:20:20.340 ⇒ 00:20:26.499 Haricesh Ratnaharan: if I were to move forward, what’s… where are we looking towards? Like, what position,
108 00:20:26.850 ⇒ 00:20:39.759 Haricesh Ratnaharan: does the company need at the moment, I guess? Because I know I talked to Tom, I think it was the client success owner was the position when we talked… what we talked about, but, I’d love your thoughts if, you know, came into this thinking it was something else.
109 00:20:40.170 ⇒ 00:21:03.550 Amber Lin: Yeah, so all of our, say, leadership positions, they still do work on the project, so you’ll still get the project exposure and do some of the individual contributor work. I do think we do have lateral movements between the leadership roles, and you can also move upwards in the leadership role. A lot of our more junior folks or
110 00:21:03.580 ⇒ 00:21:16.219 Amber Lin: new hires start off in the engagement planner role, just because it’s a lot easier, it’s a lot more structured, you just get to know what the project is like. But we recently had someone
111 00:21:16.220 ⇒ 00:21:32.919 Amber Lin: move from a engagement planner to a CSO role. He’s doing really well in that role. So, I do think you would end up in more of a CSO role, because you would own the client communications, and you will work with the EPs to plan out
112 00:21:32.920 ⇒ 00:21:52.580 Amber Lin: the roadmap, but it sounds like you’re very interested in selling, in expanding the projects, and taking what we have done and putting it into something new. So I do think you would fit into the CSO role well. If you end up creating, say, a specific work stream, like the one you mentioned.
113 00:21:52.580 ⇒ 00:21:55.310 Amber Lin: That you’re selling to new clients.
114 00:21:55.340 ⇒ 00:21:59.840 Amber Lin: I think in our company, from my experience, there’s someone who
115 00:22:00.380 ⇒ 00:22:15.640 Amber Lin: worked on… more on the tracking side. He had a workstream that, was very popular among clients, so he took that, and we were able to create a service line for him. So we do marketing for him, and he… we…
116 00:22:15.640 ⇒ 00:22:31.200 Amber Lin: have him oversee everything that happens in that service line, so I do foresee that happening, for you. If you were to come in, own a project, find out something new, something desired on the market, I do see that happening.
117 00:22:31.670 ⇒ 00:22:44.819 Haricesh Ratnaharan: Gotcha. Okay. Yeah, no, that makes total sense. I mean, that’s, that kind of aligns with what, conversations I’ve had and the experience that I have, so that’d be real interesting to get into. I’d love to speak with the CSO if possible, but, like.
118 00:22:44.820 ⇒ 00:22:52.609 Haricesh Ratnaharan: That makes total sense. In your opinion, you know, how is the culture at Brainforge? Like, what, you know, we talked about people, like, how are the people…
119 00:22:53.670 ⇒ 00:22:59.589 Amber Lin: I think that’s the main reason that I would stay at this company for,
120 00:22:59.800 ⇒ 00:23:09.339 Amber Lin: for longer periods of time. I think starting from the top to the bottom, so starting from the leadership people, I think from Utam and Robert.
121 00:23:09.780 ⇒ 00:23:20.199 Amber Lin: They’re very… open, honest, and kind people. I do think, well, kindness not…
122 00:23:20.310 ⇒ 00:23:38.330 Amber Lin: specifically specified in doing business, I do think that’s really helpful in the company. That means they also have kindness towards people instead of starting new, they have allowance for people to make mistakes, and I think the culture is…
123 00:23:38.690 ⇒ 00:23:56.049 Amber Lin: very close and personal, especially since we’re a very small company. In my experience working in Big Four, it wasn’t that similar to what I… what I experienced in Big Four. I used to work at UI.
124 00:23:56.050 ⇒ 00:23:57.010 Haricesh Ratnaharan: Okay. So…
125 00:23:57.340 ⇒ 00:24:00.990 Amber Lin: I do like the culture here a lot better. I think it makes…
126 00:24:01.500 ⇒ 00:24:16.609 Amber Lin: working, the hard days of working a lot more tolerable. It makes the nice days of working, very fulfilling. So I do like working with the people there, and then the people that I directly work with.
127 00:24:17.030 ⇒ 00:24:28.250 Amber Lin: I think that… They’re also very open, they’re… Also, all of them… are…
128 00:24:28.360 ⇒ 00:24:35.940 Amber Lin: They learn very fast. Most people all hold a lot of hats, they’re very willing to help.
129 00:24:36.090 ⇒ 00:24:43.110 Amber Lin: They’re fast to help, so I haven’t had a situation where someone said, hey,
130 00:24:43.830 ⇒ 00:24:54.530 Amber Lin: I can’t… I won’t do this, because it’s not my scope. I don’t want to help you. I don’t… I don’t want to be bothered. So I’ve had good experiences working with people on the team.
131 00:24:55.230 ⇒ 00:24:56.370 Haricesh Ratnaharan: Gotcha. Okay.
132 00:24:56.660 ⇒ 00:25:01.370 Haricesh Ratnaharan: That sounds good. Yeah, I mean, those are the main questions I had as of right now.
133 00:25:02.190 ⇒ 00:25:12.380 Amber Lin: Okay, sounds good. So, I think on the next steps of this process, I will send my notes to the team. You’ll hear back from operations
134 00:25:12.380 ⇒ 00:25:29.999 Amber Lin: No matter what, so they will give you a update on the next steps, and if you were to progress, I do think the next interviewer will be a CSO, so you’ll be able to ask him a lot of more questions on how he deals with that aspect of leadership in the company.
135 00:25:30.610 ⇒ 00:25:31.300 Haricesh Ratnaharan: Gotcha.
136 00:25:32.010 ⇒ 00:25:32.890 Haricesh Ratnaharan: Okay.
137 00:25:32.890 ⇒ 00:25:37.560 Amber Lin: Awesome. Alright, thank you for taking time. This has been a nice conversation.
138 00:25:37.990 ⇒ 00:25:41.180 Haricesh Ratnaharan: Thank you so much for having me. It’s been… I’ve enjoyed it.
139 00:25:41.500 ⇒ 00:25:43.159 Amber Lin: Awesome. Alright, have a good one.
140 00:25:43.160 ⇒ 00:25:44.250 Haricesh Ratnaharan: Thanks, you too. Bye.
141 00:25:44.250 ⇒ 00:25:44.860 Amber Lin: Bye.