Meeting Title: Brainforge x Element Project Planning Date: 2026-02-24 Meeting participants: Brylle Girang, Uttam Kumaran, Robert Tseng
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1 00:27:01.650 ⇒ 00:27:02.620 Uttam Kumaran: Hi, sir.
2 00:27:06.760 ⇒ 00:27:07.420 Brylle Girang: Hello!
3 00:27:07.420 ⇒ 00:27:09.050 Uttam Kumaran: Hey, can you hear me?
4 00:27:09.190 ⇒ 00:27:10.480 Brylle Girang: Yep, I can hear you.
5 00:27:11.450 ⇒ 00:27:12.450 Uttam Kumaran: How’s everything?
6 00:27:13.170 ⇒ 00:27:19.879 Brylle Girang: Doing great! I just finished auditing, and then just trying to piece together the Gantt and the linear tassel.
7 00:27:21.340 ⇒ 00:27:30.949 Uttam Kumaran: I think probably, like, linear tasks is not as important, because we don’t know yet all of the confirmed priorities, but Gantt would be great.
8 00:27:31.320 ⇒ 00:27:32.850 Uttam Kumaran: But… Yeah.
9 00:27:34.120 ⇒ 00:27:52.839 Brylle Girang: Yeah, I’m just trying to, you know, understand how the Gantt is created, because there are projects… it’s different, I think, based on whoever created the GANT first, it’s approached differently, so that’s what I understand per client. So I don’t think there’s a standard in creating the Gantt charts, right?
10 00:27:53.670 ⇒ 00:27:58.149 Uttam Kumaran: I mean, a little bit, but I don’t know if… I don’t know if anyone’s following it, like…
11 00:27:59.450 ⇒ 00:28:00.320 Uttam Kumaran: You know?
12 00:28:01.820 ⇒ 00:28:12.059 Brylle Girang: Yeah, but yeah, this is one thing to consider on the memo that I will be creating regarding Asana versus Linear, so we will fix this within the next few weeks.
13 00:28:12.390 ⇒ 00:28:23.439 Uttam Kumaran: Okay, yeah, and also, you know, Linear has, linear also has, like, sort of a little bit of a Gantt chart, right? So… Worst case, if you’re like, yo, Instagant sucks, like, you could just use that. I don’t… it doesn’t matter.
14 00:28:24.080 ⇒ 00:28:25.400 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah. Short term.
15 00:28:25.440 ⇒ 00:28:26.740 Brylle Girang: That makes sense.
16 00:28:27.430 ⇒ 00:28:33.570 Brylle Girang: Okay, so, yeah, speaking of the renewal, what’s your feedback?
17 00:28:34.170 ⇒ 00:28:38.530 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, I mean, do you want to just walk me through the doc briefly, and then we can go through?
18 00:28:38.880 ⇒ 00:28:39.320 Brylle Girang: Sure.
19 00:28:39.320 ⇒ 00:28:39.940 Uttam Kumaran: Sure.
20 00:28:46.440 ⇒ 00:28:47.180 Brylle Girang: Okay.
21 00:28:48.240 ⇒ 00:29:05.110 Brylle Girang: So this was the initial doc that we have been working on yesterday. I didn’t delete it. I was hoping to add this to the vault so that we have a copy and a reference, just in case we need it. But at the same time, I just created a quick summary here for internal visibility, and if you want to
22 00:29:05.110 ⇒ 00:29:12.860 Brylle Girang: show this to… to the Element team. Just lay down all the options, what their differences are.
23 00:29:12.860 ⇒ 00:29:16.920 Brylle Girang: What the resourcing changes will be, and then the pricing will be determined.
24 00:29:17.280 ⇒ 00:29:18.560 Brylle Girang: And then…
25 00:29:18.860 ⇒ 00:29:33.120 Brylle Girang: Yeah, so just the timeline for option one, and then created 4 different SOWs per work stream. So I think my main ask here is for you to double-check the details of the SOWs, because these are all
26 00:29:33.160 ⇒ 00:29:41.920 Brylle Girang: These are created using the transcripts, the previous SLW, and then Robert’s, Framework document, which was
27 00:29:42.250 ⇒ 00:29:44.039 Brylle Girang: Which was also the reference.
28 00:29:44.580 ⇒ 00:30:02.450 Brylle Girang: So, for SOW1, SOW3, and SOW4, we use Option 1 as the basis, but for SOW3, Supply Chain Visibility, we use option 2, because this is not included in…
29 00:30:03.740 ⇒ 00:30:05.280 Brylle Girang: In option 1.
30 00:30:06.070 ⇒ 00:30:07.090 Uttam Kumaran: Perfect, okay.
31 00:30:07.420 ⇒ 00:30:11.029 Uttam Kumaran: Okay, let me, let me pull it up and give it a recap.
32 00:30:11.030 ⇒ 00:30:11.580 Brylle Girang: Yep.
33 00:34:25.600 ⇒ 00:34:31.220 Uttam Kumaran: One thing, can we, can we create a section in this top doc, which is the team?
34 00:34:34.969 ⇒ 00:34:37.290 Uttam Kumaran: And we can put everybody’s, like, name.
35 00:34:37.840 ⇒ 00:34:43.279 Uttam Kumaran: Like, the people who are gonna be on this team. So you can just put, like, role, and then name.
36 00:34:44.070 ⇒ 00:34:44.770 Brylle Girang: Okay.
37 00:35:34.750 ⇒ 00:35:39.319 Brylle Girang: AE is Analytics Engineer, and DE is Data Engineer, is that right?
38 00:35:39.320 ⇒ 00:35:39.910 Uttam Kumaran: Correct.
39 00:36:03.570 ⇒ 00:36:06.470 Uttam Kumaran: Oh, you already have the team on each of these.
40 00:36:07.330 ⇒ 00:36:08.100 Brylle Girang: Oh.
41 00:36:09.170 ⇒ 00:36:11.309 Uttam Kumaran: Well, I guess I’m just debating, like…
42 00:36:12.580 ⇒ 00:36:19.080 Uttam Kumaran: Okay, actually, let’s put it… let’s put the team up there. I think this team, we can just leave as it is. Oh, that’s fine.
43 00:36:20.060 ⇒ 00:36:21.619 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, yeah, yeah, that’s fine.
44 00:36:40.920 ⇒ 00:36:49.049 Uttam Kumaran: And then let’s move all the internal notes to… Maybe an internal dock?
45 00:36:49.890 ⇒ 00:36:50.620 Brylle Girang: Gotcha.
46 00:36:55.760 ⇒ 00:36:58.310 Uttam Kumaran: Or what we can do is you can take the top tab.
47 00:36:58.640 ⇒ 00:37:02.500 Uttam Kumaran: Move it to… move it to an internal… Or…
48 00:37:03.090 ⇒ 00:37:05.450 Brylle Girang: Are you gonna move all of these to…
49 00:37:07.020 ⇒ 00:37:10.209 Uttam Kumaran: a customer-facing thing. Like, what was the plan?
50 00:37:12.080 ⇒ 00:37:17.340 Brylle Girang: I’m just gonna… I’m just going to move the SOWs as well as the summary to an…
51 00:37:17.340 ⇒ 00:37:17.899 Uttam Kumaran: Okay, okay.
52 00:37:17.900 ⇒ 00:37:18.430 Brylle Girang: Duck.
53 00:37:18.830 ⇒ 00:37:19.590 Uttam Kumaran: Okay, okay, okay.
54 00:37:19.740 ⇒ 00:37:20.460 Uttam Kumaran: That’s fine.
55 00:37:36.560 ⇒ 00:37:40.630 Uttam Kumaran: And then for the dates, let’s just do, like, so that’s read… it’s human-readable.
56 00:37:41.810 ⇒ 00:37:46.970 Uttam Kumaran: So we can just do, like, Whatever it is, 2-something? 224.
57 00:37:49.980 ⇒ 00:37:50.720 Brylle Girang: Gotcha.
58 00:39:19.400 ⇒ 00:39:24.859 Uttam Kumaran: And then… Let’s just make sure and know where it says Element, like E-L-E-M-E-N-T.
59 00:39:27.580 ⇒ 00:39:29.100 Brylle Girang: Oh, that’s my miss.
60 00:39:30.050 ⇒ 00:39:34.460 Uttam Kumaran: I think some… it may have… it’s just probably the transcript probably thought it was Element.
61 00:39:34.670 ⇒ 00:39:35.220 Brylle Girang: Yeah.
62 00:39:54.370 ⇒ 00:39:55.120 Brylle Girang: Oh, good.
63 00:44:34.110 ⇒ 00:44:34.860 Robert Tseng: Morning.
64 00:44:35.700 ⇒ 00:44:36.110 Uttam Kumaran: A.
65 00:44:36.790 ⇒ 00:44:37.690 Brylle Girang: Morning.
66 00:45:36.990 ⇒ 00:45:38.770 Robert Tseng: 4 SOWs…
67 00:45:39.560 ⇒ 00:45:46.679 Robert Tseng: Okay. Where are you starting? Where do you want me to go? I’ve sort of looked through, I’m on 3, just reading through now.
68 00:45:47.130 ⇒ 00:45:49.239 Robert Tseng: Okay, I’ll just start with the top.
69 00:45:49.660 ⇒ 00:45:50.160 Uttam Kumaran: Okay.
70 00:46:10.280 ⇒ 00:46:13.720 Uttam Kumaran: So we’re gonna… we’re gonna take this and move it out, actually.
71 00:46:14.010 ⇒ 00:46:14.540 Uttam Kumaran: Robert.
72 00:46:14.540 ⇒ 00:46:15.160 Robert Tseng: Oh, okay.
73 00:46:15.540 ⇒ 00:46:17.650 Brylle Girang: Alright.
74 00:46:18.120 ⇒ 00:46:21.749 Brylle Girang: I made this as the customer-facing doc, and then just copied.
75 00:46:21.750 ⇒ 00:46:24.629 Uttam Kumaran: Oh, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, never mind, then this is the dock.
76 00:46:24.630 ⇒ 00:46:25.210 Brylle Girang: Yep.
77 00:46:27.510 ⇒ 00:46:30.389 Robert Tseng: Okay, I’m just gonna leave comments, I’m not gonna directly edit anything yet.
78 00:46:31.110 ⇒ 00:46:37.330 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, I’m leaving, like, comments that are, like, for discussion, and then, yeah, Yeah, we can go through.
79 00:47:50.250 ⇒ 00:47:53.339 Uttam Kumaran: Ryle, can you, link… can you link this to Omni?
80 00:47:58.170 ⇒ 00:47:59.270 Brylle Girang: Which again?
81 00:47:59.270 ⇒ 00:48:02.430 Uttam Kumaran: Just, like, the word Omni here, in the SOW4.
82 00:48:02.610 ⇒ 00:48:03.700 Brylle Girang: Okay.
83 00:48:06.550 ⇒ 00:48:09.329 Brylle Girang: Gotcha. So, just the…
84 00:48:09.840 ⇒ 00:48:11.740 Uttam Kumaran: Just the one… just the first one is fine.
85 00:48:11.980 ⇒ 00:48:12.560 Brylle Girang: Okay.
86 00:52:03.300 ⇒ 00:52:09.230 Robert Tseng: Just directly editing the risk mitigations. I feel like that’s typically where conversations go, so I just want to make sure I…
87 00:52:09.380 ⇒ 00:52:10.800 Robert Tseng: That case, clearly.
88 00:54:04.960 ⇒ 00:54:06.650 Robert Tseng: more orchestra.
89 00:54:15.940 ⇒ 00:54:16.950 Robert Tseng: Ours.
90 00:54:17.620 ⇒ 00:54:18.570 Robert Tseng: War.
91 00:54:42.940 ⇒ 00:54:45.079 Robert Tseng: Extend through that.
92 00:54:48.290 ⇒ 00:54:49.390 Robert Tseng: Interesting.
93 00:54:58.850 ⇒ 00:55:08.580 Uttam Kumaran: I… she… I just called her, or she just called me, I mean… like…
94 00:55:09.040 ⇒ 00:55:12.699 Uttam Kumaran: I mean, part of this is preventable, part of this is not, so…
95 00:55:12.880 ⇒ 00:55:21.560 Uttam Kumaran: I mean, she basically was like, yo, Amber’s, like, way too junior, and is, like, just spamming, like, all types of messages to…
96 00:55:21.990 ⇒ 00:55:30.170 Uttam Kumaran: like, people about, like, QA stuff, and it’s really hard to understand. She’s doing what Awash did, which is not running communications by our team.
97 00:55:30.310 ⇒ 00:55:35.580 Uttam Kumaran: And I tried to remind her several times, And she’s not really listening.
98 00:55:35.940 ⇒ 00:55:39.779 Uttam Kumaran: So… That was the first part of this call.
99 00:55:39.980 ⇒ 00:55:43.429 Uttam Kumaran: And she’s like… and so I defended that by saying.
100 00:55:44.110 ⇒ 00:55:50.910 Uttam Kumaran: yo, like, we can’t staff up more senior people from the original SOW, I’m just rolling with the punches right now, that’s what we’re gonna talk about today.
101 00:55:51.810 ⇒ 00:55:52.620 Uttam Kumaran: Fine.
102 00:55:52.890 ⇒ 00:55:55.190 Uttam Kumaran: Second point she was making is, like.
103 00:55:57.730 ⇒ 00:56:02.430 Uttam Kumaran: she’s like, how do I get more of, like, me, like, your time?
104 00:56:02.590 ⇒ 00:56:03.799 Uttam Kumaran: And she’s like.
105 00:56:04.190 ⇒ 00:56:08.740 Uttam Kumaran: I get that you have the structure and everything, but, like, I feel comfortable working with you.
106 00:56:08.910 ⇒ 00:56:11.170 Uttam Kumaran: And, like, how can we get some, like.
107 00:56:11.490 ⇒ 00:56:13.959 Uttam Kumaran: How can we get more of your mindshare, basically?
108 00:56:14.430 ⇒ 00:56:15.590 Robert Tseng: Directly.
109 00:56:16.250 ⇒ 00:56:25.340 Uttam Kumaran: She’s like… she’s like, right now, I feel like… she’s basically, like, she has to do some of the oversight, she’s like, I want you to do that, and we’re willing to pay for it.
110 00:56:30.190 ⇒ 00:56:33.799 Uttam Kumaran: So… that’s… that was that call.
111 00:56:33.930 ⇒ 00:56:35.529 Uttam Kumaran: I don’t know what you want to do.
112 00:56:38.700 ⇒ 00:56:41.949 Uttam Kumaran: I mean, I…
113 00:56:41.950 ⇒ 00:56:42.890 Robert Tseng: I feel like we…
114 00:56:43.370 ⇒ 00:56:44.480 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, what do you think?
115 00:56:44.950 ⇒ 00:56:50.970 Robert Tseng: I’d probably still present what we gave her. I don’t think we have to adjust it now, and then…
116 00:56:50.970 ⇒ 00:56:54.770 Uttam Kumaran: No, no, no, I don’t think we have to adjust it now, I just want to be prepared, she’s gonna ask about that.
117 00:56:55.260 ⇒ 00:56:55.990 Robert Tseng: Yeah.
118 00:56:56.800 ⇒ 00:56:57.930 Uttam Kumaran: She’s basically, like, looked there.
119 00:56:57.930 ⇒ 00:56:58.520 Robert Tseng: do.
120 00:56:59.100 ⇒ 00:57:05.469 Uttam Kumaran: They’re hiring, like, a layer of VPs across the whole business. She basically said what you said, which is, like, we have to go train all these people.
121 00:57:05.880 ⇒ 00:57:08.129 Uttam Kumaran: Right now, she can tell that, like.
122 00:57:08.590 ⇒ 00:57:14.109 Uttam Kumaran: I mean, it’s sort of like… she’s like, I need someone to kind of be running, like, head of data.
123 00:57:14.900 ⇒ 00:57:16.070 Uttam Kumaran: And…
124 00:57:16.820 ⇒ 00:57:26.260 Uttam Kumaran: She’s like… she’s like, she doesn’t think she can handle that. She’s like, I really trust you, if you… how can we get more of your, like, dedicated client share to do that?
125 00:57:27.060 ⇒ 00:57:32.580 Uttam Kumaran: So… Yeah.
126 00:57:35.080 ⇒ 00:57:35.800 Robert Tseng: Bye.
127 00:57:36.570 ⇒ 00:57:39.750 Uttam Kumaran: I mean, on one hand, yeah, it’s very flattering, but also…
128 00:57:40.180 ⇒ 00:57:44.580 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, duh. So that’s everybody.
129 00:57:47.850 ⇒ 00:57:56.680 Uttam Kumaran: So… I mean, this is… this is one where also, like, yeah, the professionality is probably the highest requirement.
130 00:57:57.030 ⇒ 00:57:58.750 Uttam Kumaran: That we’ve had, I think.
131 00:57:59.380 ⇒ 00:58:00.020 Robert Tseng: Yeah.
132 00:58:00.920 ⇒ 00:58:01.610 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah.
133 00:58:04.220 ⇒ 00:58:09.599 Uttam Kumaran: So maybe we… I mean, maybe how you do it… Rob, as you do it.
134 00:58:09.750 ⇒ 00:58:13.579 Uttam Kumaran: you use this as the wedge to get Jasmine in.
135 00:58:14.400 ⇒ 00:58:15.110 Robert Tseng: Yeah.
136 00:58:15.110 ⇒ 00:58:16.420 Uttam Kumaran: And you just close that.
137 00:58:17.690 ⇒ 00:58:23.430 Uttam Kumaran: chapter, and you bring her in, and then she has to directly manage Amber, and then she comes with me, I guess.
138 00:58:24.280 ⇒ 00:58:24.850 Robert Tseng: Yeah.
139 00:58:24.850 ⇒ 00:58:26.230 Uttam Kumaran: The three of us do this.
140 00:58:27.040 ⇒ 00:58:28.129 Uttam Kumaran: with a wage.
141 00:58:29.750 ⇒ 00:58:35.689 Uttam Kumaran: But I don’t really know about… I don’t know how to price, like, my time and stuff like that, like, I haven’t even thought about that.
142 00:58:48.290 ⇒ 00:58:51.110 Robert Tseng: Yeah, Amber’s gotta move out of, like, the,
143 00:58:51.380 ⇒ 00:59:06.710 Robert Tseng: clients. I think, I mean, the angle is basically, like, look, we’re putting these options in front of you, we need that budget increase, like… I mean, I still think we have to, like, ground her back in, like, when we first started, it was just, like, you and a wish pairing. We’ve, like, added the strategy and analytics kind of component.
144 00:59:06.710 ⇒ 00:59:08.040 Uttam Kumaran: I told her that, I said we’re…
145 00:59:08.040 ⇒ 00:59:08.460 Robert Tseng: by that.
146 00:59:08.460 ⇒ 00:59:12.380 Uttam Kumaran: We’re way beyond, and she’s like, I’m totally aware that we’re, like, way beyond.
147 00:59:12.470 ⇒ 00:59:13.540 Robert Tseng: Yeah, so…
148 00:59:13.540 ⇒ 00:59:14.070 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah.
149 00:59:14.070 ⇒ 00:59:17.789 Robert Tseng: We’re gonna raise the level by bringing in, like, this, like, another…
150 00:59:17.860 ⇒ 00:59:29.919 Robert Tseng: we’re gonna restructure things as we’re… as we move forward with the next one. It’s gonna be a higher budget, but it’s gonna be more senior people. So, I don’t think you should commit to more of your time. I think you should just say, like, this is what we…
151 00:59:29.920 ⇒ 00:59:43.219 Robert Tseng: So what we’re doing, like, we’re obviously… you and I are still involved in this, so it’s not like you’re not going anywhere, you just reassure of that. She obviously has your number, she can call you, there’s, like, that… she just wants, like, that feeling that she can call you whenever, kind of just, like, what…
152 00:59:43.220 ⇒ 00:59:44.320 Uttam Kumaran: No, and that’s why last week…
153 00:59:44.320 ⇒ 00:59:44.680 Robert Tseng: folks.
154 00:59:44.680 ⇒ 00:59:49.720 Uttam Kumaran: The reason why she called me is because last week I sort of dipped out, on purpose, because I wanted to see, like, what…
155 00:59:49.940 ⇒ 00:59:59.100 Uttam Kumaran: how this works, and I can tell that, again, I think she… so, yeah, either you price for it, or we say it’s sort of not possible, like, I don’t know.
156 01:00:00.000 ⇒ 01:00:05.569 Uttam Kumaran: Because we already are on this SOW, but I think she’s, like, wants to get… she wants, like, a guarantee.
157 01:00:08.250 ⇒ 01:00:26.370 Robert Tseng: Yeah, well, I don’t think we should promise, like, any amount of hours or whatever. Our names are obviously still, like, on the SOW, so, like, we’re always gonna ultimately be at the… on the hook. If she’s unsatisfied with something, she’s gonna come to you directly. We’re not gonna get away from that. But you should just still be the escalation pathway. You’re not the one who’s, like, driving the…
158 01:00:27.060 ⇒ 01:00:32.409 Uttam Kumaran: So I think one thing we can re… one thing we should reassure her is that, like.
159 01:00:32.840 ⇒ 01:00:35.569 Uttam Kumaran: I mean, the trouble is, is that…
160 01:00:35.930 ⇒ 01:00:41.510 Uttam Kumaran: she’s asking us to move quickly, and then she’s asking for oversight. You can’t ask for both.
161 01:00:42.930 ⇒ 01:00:46.760 Uttam Kumaran: Right, so that’s what I wanted, because in the same breath, she basically was like.
162 01:00:47.960 ⇒ 01:00:53.049 Uttam Kumaran: she basically was like, yeah, but then I asked your team to do this, and then Robert said it was gonna take, like.
163 01:00:53.410 ⇒ 01:00:59.799 Uttam Kumaran: two-day turnaround, and then it took 3 days. But then I was like, you just told me that you want more oversight.
164 01:00:59.970 ⇒ 01:01:03.540 Uttam Kumaran: So… How can both, like, you can’t…
165 01:01:03.870 ⇒ 01:01:06.250 Uttam Kumaran: It can’t hap- it can’t happen that way.
166 01:01:06.490 ⇒ 01:01:12.920 Uttam Kumaran: You know, like, we can’t move… you can’t ask… you can’t… you’re… she’s doing the thing where she’s like, no, I’m in scrap mode.
167 01:01:13.070 ⇒ 01:01:15.680 Uttam Kumaran: Whatever the fuck, like, that’s not possible here.
168 01:01:16.230 ⇒ 01:01:16.860 Robert Tseng: Yeah.
169 01:01:18.310 ⇒ 01:01:26.890 Uttam Kumaran: I’m just gonna… I mean, that’s… so, if I was just to write down, like, what’s gonna happen in this call, is she’s just gonna gear towards getting those questions answered, I can tell.
170 01:01:27.030 ⇒ 01:01:31.510 Uttam Kumaran: We want to make sure we just, like, try to… we… we… we will drive through this.
171 01:01:31.880 ⇒ 01:01:33.819 Uttam Kumaran: But I want, at the start.
172 01:01:34.550 ⇒ 01:01:37.710 Uttam Kumaran: Start of the call to just hit those questions over the head.
173 01:01:39.160 ⇒ 01:01:40.280 Uttam Kumaran: Which is, like.
174 01:01:40.280 ⇒ 01:01:46.449 Robert Tseng: I don’t think we need to go so much into the scope of, like, deliverables or whatever. We should just go straight to the risks and mitigations.
175 01:01:47.500 ⇒ 01:01:47.920 Uttam Kumaran: Okay.
176 01:01:47.920 ⇒ 01:02:02.689 Robert Tseng: Yeah. Or, like, we still have to kind of talk through, like, okay, these are the different buckets, she’s familiar with this already, we’ve just kind of broken it out. I don’t… I don’t see a Gantt here. I don’t think that… I don’t know if we really gave her the month-by-month kind of rollout, because that’s what she wanted.
177 01:02:04.410 ⇒ 01:02:08.809 Uttam Kumaran: Bryle, I don’t know if you have… do you have, like, an instant version of this yet, or no?
178 01:02:10.940 ⇒ 01:02:11.950 Uttam Kumaran: You’re on mute.
179 01:02:12.810 ⇒ 01:02:18.370 Brylle Girang: Not yet. We had the mermaid Gantt that I built. Would that work, or…
180 01:02:19.030 ⇒ 01:02:21.369 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, maybe I can.
181 01:02:24.210 ⇒ 01:02:27.020 Robert Tseng: Because I didn’ cares about sequencing, and then…
182 01:02:27.020 ⇒ 01:02:27.410 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah.
183 01:02:27.410 ⇒ 01:02:30.280 Robert Tseng: Like, yeah, she wants to know whether we’re gonna be able to
184 01:02:30.650 ⇒ 01:02:35.329 Robert Tseng: compress the timeline and, like, how we’re gonna put the pieces together. I think that’s what’s missing from this.
185 01:02:38.760 ⇒ 01:02:43.560 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, so… can you… I don’t know, Bra, can you quickly just put…
186 01:02:44.790 ⇒ 01:02:48.099 Uttam Kumaran: Well, actually, here, I’m gonna… I’ll send you something, just try this.
187 01:02:48.610 ⇒ 01:02:49.180 Brylle Girang: Yeah.
188 01:02:49.450 ⇒ 01:02:51.689 Uttam Kumaran: Can you use this package?
189 01:02:52.860 ⇒ 01:02:58.299 Uttam Kumaran: just try to use it, it’s like, it boosts Mermaid up a little bit, like, to make it something, like, decent.
190 01:02:58.850 ⇒ 01:03:00.079 Uttam Kumaran: Can you just try and… At least, like…
191 01:03:00.080 ⇒ 01:03:03.980 Robert Tseng: Put it there so that we can build it with her on the call. That’s fine, too. Like, we just need to…
192 01:03:03.980 ⇒ 01:03:04.390 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, or…
193 01:03:04.390 ⇒ 01:03:05.549 Robert Tseng: I get back dropped.
194 01:03:06.090 ⇒ 01:03:09.870 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, or, yeah, just try this, and then…
195 01:03:10.050 ⇒ 01:03:17.230 Uttam Kumaran: what we can do is during… on the call, we can just work on the Gantt together, basically, like, on, like, a higher level workstream, and just talk through it.
196 01:03:17.830 ⇒ 01:03:18.430 Robert Tseng: Yeah.
197 01:03:24.810 ⇒ 01:03:29.319 Brylle Girang: Do you need the Gantt per SOW, or is it going to be just a general Gantt for.
198 01:03:29.320 ⇒ 01:03:30.199 Uttam Kumaran: Just a general…
199 01:03:30.200 ⇒ 01:03:30.780 Robert Tseng: General.
200 01:03:30.780 ⇒ 01:03:31.370 Brylle Girang: Okay.
201 01:03:33.630 ⇒ 01:03:36.949 Uttam Kumaran: So, do you want to try that? We have, you know, we have how much every time we have.
202 01:03:38.470 ⇒ 01:03:44.979 Brylle Girang: Yeah, I’m just asking Cursor to, like, create the GAN using the project timelines for SLW, so let’s see how it goes.
203 01:03:51.640 ⇒ 01:03:57.499 Uttam Kumaran: Okay, so the first thing is, like, if you can buy my time, I mean, I’m gonna basically say, like.
204 01:03:58.380 ⇒ 01:04:02.489 Uttam Kumaran: Oversight and, like, quick turnarounds are, like, really tough.
205 01:04:03.080 ⇒ 01:04:07.979 Uttam Kumaran: Basically, if you want both, we have to really staff this thing up.
206 01:04:08.280 ⇒ 01:04:09.930 Uttam Kumaran: The second piece is, like.
207 01:04:10.060 ⇒ 01:04:14.149 Uttam Kumaran: I mean, this is where, dude, I just wonder if at that point she’s like, okay, that’s fine, but like…
208 01:04:14.830 ⇒ 01:04:18.369 Uttam Kumaran: what… what if… what if she’s like, if I can’t do that, we’re gonna switch?
209 01:04:19.650 ⇒ 01:04:20.930 Uttam Kumaran: Just a roleplay.
210 01:04:24.850 ⇒ 01:04:25.929 Robert Tseng: Wait, what are you guys like?
211 01:04:25.930 ⇒ 01:04:29.630 Uttam Kumaran: Can’t guarantee a minimum time for me, we’re gonna switch vendors.
212 01:04:52.830 ⇒ 01:04:55.459 Robert Tseng: I mean, I don’t think that’s what she’s gonna say. I think the switching cost is.
213 01:04:55.460 ⇒ 01:04:55.900 Uttam Kumaran: I know for sure.
214 01:04:55.900 ⇒ 01:04:58.880 Robert Tseng: Sure, but sure.
215 01:04:58.880 ⇒ 01:05:04.319 Uttam Kumaran: like, I’m trying to get you to drive towards, like, the op… what final options do we have, like…
216 01:05:09.310 ⇒ 01:05:11.229 Robert Tseng: Well, then I would ask her, just like.
217 01:05:14.800 ⇒ 01:05:26.140 Robert Tseng: how… how much time… how much of my time do you need? Like, ask her… have her do the thinking for you. You don’t have to commit to anything. It’s just more of a negotiation tactic. But, like, when you’re getting cornered to, like, take a position, you just…
218 01:05:26.300 ⇒ 01:05:43.689 Robert Tseng: you’re taking more of the how… you’re asking more of the how and the what questions, like, what am I supposed to do? How am I supposed to do that? What do you, like, how much time do you think I… what you put in? So you’re, like, getting her to do the thinking on your behalf, and, like, just trying to see, like, this… we don’t have to commit to anything on that call.
219 01:05:43.690 ⇒ 01:05:44.230 Uttam Kumaran: Okay.
220 01:05:44.490 ⇒ 01:05:45.350 Robert Tseng: Yeah.
221 01:05:49.720 ⇒ 01:05:50.510 Uttam Kumaran: Okay.
222 01:05:53.960 ⇒ 01:06:05.560 Robert Tseng: She’s unhappy with the turnaround, the quality, like, I did tell… like, I did say I don’t really think Amber’s… Amber’s cutting it for… for her, like, I just don’t think that they’re… they’re on the same wavelength.
223 01:06:05.560 ⇒ 01:06:17.810 Uttam Kumaran: But another thing we should… we have to do is, like, we… we can swap people… it’s only been, like, 2 or 3 weeks, so that’s another piece, is, like, if people aren’t, like… I’m just gonna say that, like, if people aren’t…
224 01:06:18.360 ⇒ 01:06:19.969 Uttam Kumaran: Like, meshing well.
225 01:06:20.340 ⇒ 01:06:24.529 Uttam Kumaran: We can bring in other folks.
226 01:06:24.690 ⇒ 01:06:27.380 Uttam Kumaran: So that’s part of the feedback loop.
227 01:06:28.690 ⇒ 01:06:37.149 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah. And that’s… and that’s also a feature of working with Brainforge. You’re not stuck.
228 01:06:37.340 ⇒ 01:06:38.180 Uttam Kumaran: You know?
229 01:06:40.190 ⇒ 01:06:40.810 Uttam Kumaran: So…
230 01:06:43.060 ⇒ 01:06:55.460 Robert Tseng: she knows that we already have other eyes, like, looking at the project. So, like, people that want to be staffed on this as well. So, like, I will say that we have the senior… we have a more senior person than… than Amber that’s, like, that can… that can jump in. That would… that would be…
231 01:06:56.120 ⇒ 01:06:58.370 Robert Tseng: That would be Jasmine, and
232 01:06:58.750 ⇒ 01:07:05.419 Robert Tseng: yeah, I think, you know, if we’re able to get the next deal over the line with more budget, then we can put someone more senior on.
233 01:07:05.800 ⇒ 01:07:07.470 Robert Tseng: I think it’s… yeah.
234 01:07:11.570 ⇒ 01:07:14.870 Uttam Kumaran: Okay. More of your time doesn’t mean that you’re gonna get…
235 01:07:15.290 ⇒ 01:07:21.060 Robert Tseng: like, faster turnarounds, or whatever. Like, ultimately, you’re still not doing the work. It just means you’re gonna be doing…
236 01:07:21.060 ⇒ 01:07:25.589 Uttam Kumaran: what she does… what she… I think what she’s hard… what she’s basically poking at is that, like.
237 01:07:25.930 ⇒ 01:07:32.450 Uttam Kumaran: I’m doing what I always do, which is, like, we stand up the project, I loop other people in, and then I slowly kind of wean off.
238 01:07:32.940 ⇒ 01:07:34.929 Uttam Kumaran: Right? Or I, like, I’m there…
239 01:07:35.690 ⇒ 01:07:42.210 Uttam Kumaran: as a major thing, but I’m more like an MD. Like, I’m not gonna do the work, I’m gonna steer the ship. Yeah, the, like…
240 01:07:42.340 ⇒ 01:07:47.459 Uttam Kumaran: it would be great if I could work on this project. I would… I would dominate, but then you’re gonna have to pay…
241 01:07:48.000 ⇒ 01:07:48.800 Uttam Kumaran: like…
242 01:07:49.390 ⇒ 01:07:57.570 Uttam Kumaran: a million dollars a year, like, that’s how much it’s cost. So, that’s why I’m like, maybe their ultimate backup plan should be, like, it’s $500 an hour.
243 01:07:59.480 ⇒ 01:08:03.999 Uttam Kumaran: If you want dedicated And you rip that, because then at least we make money on it.
244 01:08:04.540 ⇒ 01:08:05.180 Robert Tseng: Yeah.
245 01:08:08.580 ⇒ 01:08:10.540 Uttam Kumaran: I mean, I still don’t like that.
246 01:08:11.160 ⇒ 01:08:19.760 Uttam Kumaran: But, like, you kind of are, like, fine, if you really want exclusive, like… because I don’t think she understands, like, yo, we’re, like…
247 01:08:20.720 ⇒ 01:08:24.639 Uttam Kumaran: We’re, like, running this company, yeah, it’s a… it’s a reason why we’re, like, really good.
248 01:08:24.870 ⇒ 01:08:33.579 Uttam Kumaran: And if you want exclusive time, if you want a fourth of my weekly time on your project, pay a fourth of the value that I’m bringing to Brainforce.
249 01:08:33.580 ⇒ 01:08:34.270 Robert Tseng: Yeah.
250 01:08:34.540 ⇒ 01:08:41.549 Uttam Kumaran: So, that’s gonna be… name your price… progressive, name your price tool, you know what I mean?
251 01:08:41.689 ⇒ 01:08:46.610 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah. So, like, do you want… like, otherwise it’s… like, and what’s she… what is she gonna, like…
252 01:08:46.800 ⇒ 01:08:51.580 Uttam Kumaran: Going to another vendor, To find that, at this point.
253 01:08:52.470 ⇒ 01:08:56.389 Uttam Kumaran: they’re never gonna… it’s not gonna work. So I see your point, you know?
254 01:08:59.930 ⇒ 01:09:11.049 Robert Tseng: Yeah, don’t, don’t commit to hours, don’t commit to a number. Just, like, ask her to do the thinking for you. Like, what are you supposed to do about it? How many hours does she think it’s gonna take from you? Like, just get the information from her.
255 01:09:11.050 ⇒ 01:09:11.649 Uttam Kumaran: Okay.
256 01:09:11.979 ⇒ 01:09:12.599 Robert Tseng: Death.
257 01:09:14.229 ⇒ 01:09:16.639 Uttam Kumaran: Bryle, where’s the… where’s the old dock stuff?
258 01:09:18.319 ⇒ 01:09:19.669 Brylle Girang: Sending it here.
259 01:09:20.020 ⇒ 01:09:20.710 Uttam Kumaran: Okay.
260 01:09:20.710 ⇒ 01:09:22.160 Brylle Girang: The internal copy, right?
261 01:09:22.160 ⇒ 01:09:22.890 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah.
262 01:09:25.210 ⇒ 01:09:26.399 Brylle Girang: In the Zoom chat.
263 01:09:26.520 ⇒ 01:09:27.420 Uttam Kumaran: Okay, thank you.
264 01:12:17.710 ⇒ 01:12:34.439 Robert Tseng: Okay, since we just have a few minutes before this call, I… we’re not gonna end up going… we’re not gonna walk through this document. We’re gonna share it through her. We’re gonna… we’re just gonna go and highlight the sections we want to. So we’re gonna just cover at a high level that, hey, like, these are the four… these are the four sections that we talked about. We’ve broken them down into phases.
265 01:12:34.680 ⇒ 01:12:50.479 Robert Tseng: like, we can… then we… I would say we go straight into the… into the Gantt exercise, where, like, here’s, like, a timeline view. We can… we’ve already kind of, like, mapped it out this way. This is going to fill up time from March through July. We already… based on our conversation yesterday.
266 01:12:50.770 ⇒ 01:12:54.600 Robert Tseng: Yeah, she’s… she’s asking a few things, like, how do I speed it up?
267 01:12:54.600 ⇒ 01:12:56.509 Uttam Kumaran: Like… Yeah.
268 01:12:56.810 ⇒ 01:13:16.329 Robert Tseng: like, from a sequencing perspective, how many work streams are we able to handle right now with the current team? And in the renewal, what team adjustments are we making? So we have to address that. I think that’ll also end up hitting the Amber thing directly without having to admit that, like, oh, we’re staffed junior person. I don’t really think we need to say that. We’re just saying, like.
269 01:13:16.850 ⇒ 01:13:28.100 Robert Tseng: for… for this, like, Feb through Feb… March through July, this is… this is the team that we have in mind, like, go ahead and provide you, right? If she wants to speed that up, then we need to add more staff.
270 01:13:28.110 ⇒ 01:13:47.359 Robert Tseng: here or there, or whatever, and, like, we can… we can… we can actually literally just drag it on the call to see, like, how… how much time that she wants to… if she wants to compress anything, we can push back on what we can actually do. Maybe there’s, like… I mean, I don’t really want to compress it. I think maybe there’s, like, one thing that we can take, and we can start it earlier, and, like, we’re, like…
271 01:13:47.360 ⇒ 01:13:48.540 Robert Tseng: That’s… that’s…
272 01:13:48.540 ⇒ 01:14:02.840 Robert Tseng: like, that’s what’s gonna speed everything up. So, I don’t know exactly how we want to do… do that. It seems like it’s just starting supply earlier, so whatever that looks… it seems like there are a few dependencies here that we can’t actually start today.
273 01:14:02.870 ⇒ 01:14:13.120 Robert Tseng: So, I don’t know, maybe it’s like, we can’t actually start until April. Originally, we were going to start in June, but we could start the supply thing in April, and
274 01:14:13.180 ⇒ 01:14:20.690 Robert Tseng: That’s, you know, that’s… you’re gonna get pricing that’s gonna reflect, kind of, what happens if we’re able to… if we’re gonna do multiple work streams at the same time.
275 01:14:22.370 ⇒ 01:14:26.899 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, I mean, hearing what she said, dude, I think they’re going to spend…
276 01:14:28.080 ⇒ 01:14:31.909 Uttam Kumaran: like, I think they’re about to pay for a bunch of VPs.
277 01:14:32.080 ⇒ 01:14:38.070 Uttam Kumaran: I think, basically, Phil got brought in to turn this into, like, a huge company.
278 01:14:38.280 ⇒ 01:14:42.609 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah. So, I feel like… From hearing from her.
279 01:14:43.220 ⇒ 01:14:47.880 Uttam Kumaran: Of course, no one wants to say this, but she’s kind of like, money’s not an issue.
280 01:14:48.630 ⇒ 01:14:53.259 Uttam Kumaran: So I do want to, like… Try as much…
281 01:14:53.860 ⇒ 01:15:00.440 Uttam Kumaran: I have to remind myself not to anchor on, like, our current pricing as much, and to really be like, tell us.
282 01:15:00.630 ⇒ 01:15:04.810 Uttam Kumaran: What you want, and we will put the pricing together to achieve that.
283 01:15:05.440 ⇒ 01:15:05.860 Robert Tseng: Yeah.
284 01:15:06.010 ⇒ 01:15:08.649 Robert Tseng: We can’t move on this call.
285 01:15:08.650 ⇒ 01:15:10.260 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, yeah, okay, okay.
286 01:15:11.670 ⇒ 01:15:20.179 Uttam Kumaran: Okay, great. Brile, one thing… so, so, on… can you go to tab 6? Can we turn this into, like, a…
287 01:15:20.310 ⇒ 01:15:22.440 Uttam Kumaran: Like, can we make this just, like, a big…
288 01:15:22.570 ⇒ 01:15:24.360 Uttam Kumaran: Oh, I guess this is probably fine, right?
289 01:15:25.210 ⇒ 01:15:27.030 Uttam Kumaran: I just want to make this more visible.
290 01:15:27.920 ⇒ 01:15:28.630 Brylle Girang: Bacha.
291 01:15:30.960 ⇒ 01:15:32.230 Uttam Kumaran: You think there’s any way?
292 01:15:32.890 ⇒ 01:15:38.430 Brylle Girang: Yeah, I’m going to try and meddle with… Beautiful Mermaid was not able to create a Gantt chart, it’s not supported.
293 01:15:38.430 ⇒ 01:15:39.060 Uttam Kumaran: Okay.
294 01:15:39.450 ⇒ 01:15:41.850 Brylle Girang: But, let me try.
295 01:15:43.670 ⇒ 01:15:54.139 Brylle Girang: Or, do you want me to add the link instead? Try clicking the link on the summary. That goes straight to the Mermaid site, if that works, if you want to…
296 01:15:54.300 ⇒ 01:15:55.000 Brylle Girang: Like, sure.
297 01:15:55.000 ⇒ 01:15:59.729 Robert Tseng: we were going to instigate this thing, and then we could just… it’s like the UI is better to move things around, I don’t know.
298 01:15:59.730 ⇒ 01:16:05.290 Uttam Kumaran: Do you want to turn this into an Instagant? Okay, gotcha. You think you could do that in a few minutes?
299 01:16:05.290 ⇒ 01:16:06.400 Brylle Girang: Yep, I can.
300 01:16:06.790 ⇒ 01:16:07.820 Uttam Kumaran: Okay, okay.
301 01:16:12.790 ⇒ 01:16:16.480 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, I don’t really want to pull up a screenshot. Yeah.
302 01:16:16.480 ⇒ 01:16:17.120 Robert Tseng: just…
303 01:18:20.210 ⇒ 01:18:20.800 Uttam Kumaran: Stuff.
304 01:18:22.330 ⇒ 01:18:23.040 Uttam Kumaran: Tough.
305 01:18:25.980 ⇒ 01:18:29.439 Robert Tseng: But, how do you feel? I feel like it’s fine.
306 01:18:29.920 ⇒ 01:18:37.610 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, no, I mean, you’re… I feel like you’re better at this. I don’t like… I just don’t like being put in, like, this… I don’t like these conversations at all. I feel like you’re much better at this.
307 01:18:38.140 ⇒ 01:18:42.560 Uttam Kumaran: I like to… I’m just like, let me get the fucking job done for you.
308 01:18:42.940 ⇒ 01:18:47.529 Uttam Kumaran: Just like, leave me the fuck alone.
309 01:18:48.470 ⇒ 01:18:50.679 Uttam Kumaran: Like, I lo- I don’t know, I,
310 01:18:50.840 ⇒ 01:18:59.549 Uttam Kumaran: I feel like for you, you’re a lot more like, okay, I have all these different ways of getting… I just, like, riff, and it’s… I get jammed. You know me.
311 01:18:59.550 ⇒ 01:19:02.109 Robert Tseng: Okay, it’s fine, I’ll be on this call, and I’ll, like.
312 01:19:02.110 ⇒ 01:19:03.490 Uttam Kumaran: No, I know, I know, but like…
313 01:19:03.490 ⇒ 01:19:04.190 Robert Tseng: Yeah.
314 01:19:04.190 ⇒ 01:19:11.589 Uttam Kumaran: You know, like, for the ones that goes well, I’m really good, because then I can, like, okay, everybody, everybody likes it. Like, the CTA one, dude, we didn’t have to blink.
315 01:19:12.080 ⇒ 01:19:14.129 Uttam Kumaran: I… Yeah.
316 01:19:14.310 ⇒ 01:19:19.760 Uttam Kumaran: This, but, you know, it’s okay. Alright, Brian, where are we at? Tell me.
317 01:19:20.130 ⇒ 01:19:25.099 Brylle Girang: Oh, I’m… I’m trying to create the Instagram hustling, just a moment.
318 01:19:26.640 ⇒ 01:19:33.499 Robert Tseng: Yeah, you have some time, just drop it in the link when you’re in. We’re gonna do some, like, you know, whatever, throat clearing for, like, 10 minutes before.
319 01:19:33.500 ⇒ 01:19:38.779 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, Slack it to me, I’ll just Slack back and forth with you, and help you finish it.
320 01:19:38.920 ⇒ 01:19:40.160 Brylle Girang: Okay, sure.
321 01:19:40.370 ⇒ 01:19:41.360 Uttam Kumaran: Okay, okay.
322 01:19:42.360 ⇒ 01:19:43.050 Robert Tseng: Cool.
323 01:19:43.230 ⇒ 01:19:44.620 Uttam Kumaran: Alright, I’ll see you there.
324 01:19:44.620 ⇒ 01:19:45.290 Brylle Girang: Good luck.
325 01:19:45.290 ⇒ 01:19:45.760 Robert Tseng: Yeah.
326 01:19:45.760 ⇒ 01:19:46.230 Uttam Kumaran: Thank you.
327 01:19:46.230 ⇒ 01:19:46.840 Robert Tseng: Next.
328 01:24:29.810 ⇒ 01:24:32.319 Brylle Girang: The pilot government stakeholder.
329 01:24:55.720 ⇒ 01:24:56.550 Brylle Girang: Fuck.
330 01:40:05.160 ⇒ 01:40:13.270 Brylle Girang: Let’s observe the life of a… I’ll start by writing a document specifying details such as goals, data, and possible approaches.
331 01:40:15.280 ⇒ 01:40:20.670 Brylle Girang: Overview is reviewed, and I’m ready to start exe… My project timeline.
332 01:40:20.980 ⇒ 01:40:29.789 Brylle Girang: Milestones are used to break your project into different phases. For engineering, product, and design teams, milestones might mirror your release cadence.
333 01:42:31.600 ⇒ 01:42:36.599 Brylle Girang: project overview, I’ll start by… keep the rest of our ability to sleep.