Meeting Title: AI-App Standup Date: 2025-12-29 Meeting participants: Uttam Kumaran, Casie Aviles, Pranav, Mustafa Raja
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1 00:02:40.960 ⇒ 00:02:42.000 Uttam Kumaran: Hey, Katie.
2 00:02:45.750 ⇒ 00:02:46.610 Casie Aviles: Hey, Otong.
3 00:02:48.910 ⇒ 00:02:50.240 Uttam Kumaran: Merry Christmas.
4 00:02:51.490 ⇒ 00:02:53.600 Casie Aviles: Yeah, Merry Christmas, too.
5 00:02:54.060 ⇒ 00:02:55.130 Uttam Kumaran: follows everything.
6 00:02:57.860 ⇒ 00:03:02.490 Casie Aviles: Yeah, I mean, it’s nice that… We’ve had the chance to…
7 00:03:02.700 ⇒ 00:03:06.169 Casie Aviles: You know, just rest a bit more and spend some time.
8 00:03:06.420 ⇒ 00:03:07.669 Casie Aviles: with the family.
9 00:03:09.270 ⇒ 00:03:11.670 Uttam Kumaran: You guys get a… did you end up doing anything?
10 00:03:13.550 ⇒ 00:03:25.159 Casie Aviles: Just, we just, you know, cooked food, we ate together. That’s pretty much, like, what we usually do during Christmas, and what most families do as well.
11 00:03:25.850 ⇒ 00:03:27.560 Uttam Kumaran: What did, what’d you guys cut?
12 00:03:29.790 ⇒ 00:03:31.660 Casie Aviles: We, we…
13 00:03:31.860 ⇒ 00:03:41.460 Casie Aviles: We had… I think there’s this, like, dessert that we cooked. We… we… it’s like… it’s like a… I guess like a pancake, but with, like, salted egg.
14 00:03:42.190 ⇒ 00:03:43.469 Casie Aviles: And cheese.
15 00:03:43.900 ⇒ 00:03:49.689 Casie Aviles: We typically eat that during Christmas season, so… That’s one thing I did.
16 00:03:50.800 ⇒ 00:03:51.640 Uttam Kumaran: Nice.
17 00:03:54.250 ⇒ 00:03:55.260 Casie Aviles: How about you?
18 00:03:56.460 ⇒ 00:04:00.510 Uttam Kumaran: I, yeah, I did Christmas with my girlfriend’s family.
19 00:04:00.830 ⇒ 00:04:07.689 Uttam Kumaran: Here in Austin. So we spent, spent, like, a day and a half there cooking, and watching movies, and… Nice.
20 00:04:07.930 ⇒ 00:04:10.319 Uttam Kumaran: Playing games, and yeah, it was nice.
21 00:04:10.760 ⇒ 00:04:11.780 Uttam Kumaran: Relaxing.
22 00:04:12.120 ⇒ 00:04:16.370 Uttam Kumaran: try not to work. Like, I just, like… Just…
23 00:04:16.660 ⇒ 00:04:20.009 Uttam Kumaran: Tried to really take a break, relax, celebrate, like.
24 00:04:20.010 ⇒ 00:04:20.524 Casie Aviles: Yeah…
25 00:04:21.040 ⇒ 00:04:21.680 Uttam Kumaran: You know?
26 00:04:23.570 ⇒ 00:04:28.890 Uttam Kumaran: It’s, it’s also… it’s honestly real… this is movie, it’s really, it’s really hard, like, I…
27 00:04:29.090 ⇒ 00:04:36.670 Uttam Kumaran: it’s… I almost feel like I’ve been, like, playing, like… playing, like, the championship game for, like, 6 weeks, so…
28 00:04:36.840 ⇒ 00:04:46.909 Uttam Kumaran: I was like, I don’t even… I mean, it’s also small things, like, I want… I want to cook more, like, clean the house, do a bunch of things that we didn’t get the chance to do.
29 00:04:46.910 ⇒ 00:04:47.310 Casie Aviles: Yeah.
30 00:04:47.310 ⇒ 00:04:49.100 Uttam Kumaran: We’ve just been so busy, so…
31 00:04:49.250 ⇒ 00:04:52.129 Uttam Kumaran: I just, like, took some time to do that, and then…
32 00:04:52.320 ⇒ 00:05:00.369 Uttam Kumaran: Just started reading, again, some books, and, like, yeah, just try to, like, get back to a normal… normal lifestyle.
33 00:05:02.500 ⇒ 00:05:13.399 Casie Aviles: Yeah, I mean, I… what books are you reading? Like, I was… I was… I’m trying to read, like, this AI engineering book, I think, from…
34 00:05:13.400 ⇒ 00:05:15.169 Uttam Kumaran: Oh, what… what book?
35 00:05:17.000 ⇒ 00:05:23.690 Casie Aviles: Let me recall… I’m reading… well, I’ll study the book I’m reading, it’s called.
36 00:05:24.600 ⇒ 00:05:27.469 Uttam Kumaran: It’s this book called The Art of Gathering.
37 00:05:27.960 ⇒ 00:05:30.809 Uttam Kumaran: I just sent it to you on, on, on,
38 00:05:32.740 ⇒ 00:05:36.920 Uttam Kumaran: I sent it to you on Zoom chat, but yeah, it’s just about, like…
39 00:05:37.750 ⇒ 00:05:41.139 Uttam Kumaran: How do you… when people gather together, like.
40 00:05:41.420 ⇒ 00:05:44.800 Uttam Kumaran: Whether it’s meetings, or, like, a party, or, like, a…
41 00:05:45.130 ⇒ 00:05:53.489 Uttam Kumaran: debate or something? Like, how do you just have an effective… like, what… how do you… how do you… how do you facilitate an effective gathering and…
42 00:05:53.800 ⇒ 00:05:55.399 Uttam Kumaran: I don’t know, just an interesting book.
43 00:05:56.930 ⇒ 00:05:58.619 Casie Aviles: Yeah, that makes sense, I mean…
44 00:05:59.370 ⇒ 00:06:04.809 Casie Aviles: I think with little time, we have to, you know, be with people. We…
45 00:06:05.040 ⇒ 00:06:09.040 Casie Aviles: I guess, in my case, I would try to make the most out of it, so…
46 00:06:09.380 ⇒ 00:06:10.700 Casie Aviles: Maybe a book like this.
47 00:06:10.700 ⇒ 00:06:11.500 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah.
48 00:06:12.540 ⇒ 00:06:26.790 Uttam Kumaran: Exactly, and just, like, I like to… I’ve been trying to have more, like, friends and family come visit the house and stay with us and build, like, a community here, so I’m thinking a lot more about, like, how do I facilitate, you know, just, like.
49 00:06:27.350 ⇒ 00:06:36.570 Uttam Kumaran: more friends and family, you know, to hang out, so, yeah. But I sort of mix, I go one business book, one, like, kind of fun.
50 00:06:37.560 ⇒ 00:06:40.719 Uttam Kumaran: Fun psychology book or something, so…
51 00:06:45.670 ⇒ 00:06:47.070 Pranav: How’s it going, guys?
52 00:06:48.130 ⇒ 00:06:48.640 Uttam Kumaran: Hey, dude.
53 00:06:48.640 ⇒ 00:06:49.320 Casie Aviles: Hey.
54 00:06:52.040 ⇒ 00:06:53.119 Uttam Kumaran: We’re just talking about.
55 00:06:53.470 ⇒ 00:06:57.060 Uttam Kumaran: how… we were talking about Christmas, and what we got up to.
56 00:06:57.680 ⇒ 00:07:02.700 Pranav: Oh, okay, nice, nice. What was that? Did you guys, spend some time with family?
57 00:07:03.270 ⇒ 00:07:12.399 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, I just spent time here in Austin with my girlfriend’s family. My family is in… like, my mom, my dad, and my sister are in India, actually, visiting.
58 00:07:12.730 ⇒ 00:07:17.020 Uttam Kumaran: So I just stayed here. I actually went to the Bay Area,
59 00:07:17.690 ⇒ 00:07:23.950 Uttam Kumaran: Just to go see Robert, actually, so… saw Robert and saw Luke and Gabe in person, which is nice.
60 00:07:24.210 ⇒ 00:07:30.050 Uttam Kumaran: I think Robert sent a picture from, yeah, but we just, like, had lunch and spent the day together, so it was nice.
61 00:07:30.840 ⇒ 00:07:33.329 Pranav: Nice. Yeah, I still haven’t met Robert, actually.
62 00:07:34.100 ⇒ 00:07:37.310 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, I mean, you’re close by, though, he’s in New York, you go see him.
63 00:07:38.700 ⇒ 00:07:39.180 Pranav: Oh, is Z.
64 00:07:39.180 ⇒ 00:07:39.720 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, exactly.
65 00:07:39.720 ⇒ 00:07:42.059 Pranav: He’s not in the Bay Area, he’s in New York, you said?
66 00:07:42.060 ⇒ 00:07:46.080 Uttam Kumaran: No, he… we both just grew up there, so his parents are there.
67 00:07:46.220 ⇒ 00:07:52.879 Uttam Kumaran: And… It’s easier for me to visit him there, I’ve been to visit him in…
68 00:07:53.100 ⇒ 00:07:57.919 Uttam Kumaran: in New York, because I can go stay at my parents’ house in San Ramon, and…
69 00:07:58.180 ⇒ 00:08:05.529 Uttam Kumaran: his… he’s… his family’s not too far from there, so… I just wanted to go see him there, but he lives in New York with his wife.
70 00:08:06.130 ⇒ 00:08:11.659 Pranav: Oh, no way. Do you actually know if he’s there? Because I’m actually going to New York tomorrow, for… I’m going to be there.
71 00:08:11.660 ⇒ 00:08:14.870 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, I mean, I called him, like, 20 minutes ago, yeah, he’s there. Should go see him.
72 00:08:15.390 ⇒ 00:08:18.700 Pranav: Yeah, yeah, I’ll, I’ll message him on Slack, I’ll see if he’s up to anything.
73 00:08:18.700 ⇒ 00:08:23.340 Uttam Kumaran: Okay, awesome, yeah, dude. Where are you, you’re gonna go just stay there? You’re visiting?
74 00:08:23.630 ⇒ 00:08:35.140 Pranav: Yeah, just for a day, actually. So, yeah, like, the next, week or so is gonna be interesting for me. I’m actually doing a road trip to Austin for Massachusetts.
75 00:08:35.140 ⇒ 00:08:38.369 Uttam Kumaran: Oh, nice, dude. I’ve done that trip before.
76 00:08:38.370 ⇒ 00:08:54.530 Pranav: You have? Okay, no, that’s good to hear. It’s good to hear that’s possible, because I haven’t, I haven’t done it before. I’m gonna stop in Chicago, because I went to school, I went to college in Illinois, and so I have a lot of, like, friends over there that I haven’t seen in a while, so…
77 00:08:54.530 ⇒ 00:08:56.509 Uttam Kumaran: It’ll be, like, it’ll take you, like,
78 00:08:57.050 ⇒ 00:08:59.940 Uttam Kumaran: 12 hours, 10 hours in Chicago, right?
79 00:08:59.940 ⇒ 00:09:12.220 Pranav: Yeah, it’s like 12 hours. I’m taking my Tesla, so I don’t know, like, with charging, like, how convenient it can be. I’ve never, like, done a road trip in it. Okay.
80 00:09:12.800 ⇒ 00:09:14.040 Pranav: Yeah, so…
81 00:09:14.040 ⇒ 00:09:24.319 Uttam Kumaran: You’ll be fine, I think it’ll just take, like, I-80 and go all the way, so… Nice. And then from Chicago… I don’t know… Chicago to here, I’ve never done Chicago to here, so I don’t know how long that is.
82 00:09:24.800 ⇒ 00:09:26.840 Pranav: Yeah, I think it was,
83 00:09:27.060 ⇒ 00:09:38.700 Pranav: 13 hours to Dallas, which is what I’m thinking I’m gonna… that’s, like, manageable. Okay. Like, to go all the way to Austin would be, like, 17 hours, but I have, like, some, like, friends in Dallas that I’ll probably just spend a night with, and then…
84 00:09:38.700 ⇒ 00:09:39.370 Uttam Kumaran: Nice.
85 00:09:39.370 ⇒ 00:09:45.270 Pranav: Do the final leg, like, probably, like, after work on the… to Austin from Dallas, so…
86 00:09:45.610 ⇒ 00:09:46.280 Uttam Kumaran: Trade.
87 00:09:46.960 ⇒ 00:09:52.000 Pranav: Yeah, I’m excited for it. Also, a little bit, just like, we’ll see how this goes. Worst case, I just can’t.
88 00:09:52.000 ⇒ 00:09:55.159 Uttam Kumaran: No, dude, it’s gonna go great. That’s awesome.
89 00:09:55.160 ⇒ 00:09:55.730 Pranav: Yeah, yeah.
90 00:09:55.730 ⇒ 00:09:57.770 Uttam Kumaran: I mean, do you have, like, FSD?
91 00:09:58.010 ⇒ 00:09:59.699 Pranav: I do, yeah, that’s the…
92 00:09:59.700 ⇒ 00:10:00.770 Uttam Kumaran: Many of you.
93 00:10:00.770 ⇒ 00:10:04.470 Pranav: 95% of the reason why I’m doing this and not flying and shipping my car.
94 00:10:06.270 ⇒ 00:10:07.880 Pranav: Yeah. Oh, that’s awesome.
95 00:10:08.720 ⇒ 00:10:09.310 Pranav: Yep.
96 00:10:09.730 ⇒ 00:10:13.570 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, you should, I’ll, I’ll connect you guys,
97 00:10:14.460 ⇒ 00:10:16.640 Uttam Kumaran: Well, maybe I’ll connect you guys over text.
98 00:10:17.350 ⇒ 00:10:19.360 Pranav: Sure, that’d be great, actually, yeah.
99 00:10:19.720 ⇒ 00:10:21.389 Uttam Kumaran: And then, yeah, if you go…
100 00:10:22.430 ⇒ 00:10:26.180 Uttam Kumaran: He’s on, he’s near Columbus Circle, so, like, 59th Street.
101 00:10:26.760 ⇒ 00:10:39.499 Pranav: Okay, perfect, yeah, and I’ll only be there, because I’m leaving Jan 2nd, like, early morning, so hopefully it works out, but I know this is, like, a busy time, so… worst case, I’ll… we’ll find a time soon enough.
102 00:10:41.090 ⇒ 00:10:42.180 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, no problem.
103 00:10:42.740 ⇒ 00:10:48.049 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, maybe let’s go through, maybe let’s go through client stuff, so I guess I was gonna ask about,
104 00:10:48.250 ⇒ 00:10:52.179 Uttam Kumaran: maybe we can start with ABC, Casey, if there’s anything this week you’re working on.
105 00:10:53.950 ⇒ 00:10:59.280 Casie Aviles: Yeah, for this week, I just work on… I’m just working on the admin UI.
106 00:10:59.880 ⇒ 00:11:05.109 Casie Aviles: That, that will be replacing the NADN forms that we built for them.
107 00:11:06.690 ⇒ 00:11:10.130 Casie Aviles: I’ve actually… yeah, I’ve built something over the weekend.
108 00:11:10.390 ⇒ 00:11:13.830 Casie Aviles: But I still have to, like, do some…
109 00:11:14.040 ⇒ 00:11:18.510 Casie Aviles: Some more QA. I could… I could briefly show what it looks like right now.
110 00:11:21.020 ⇒ 00:11:21.610 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah.
111 00:11:22.720 ⇒ 00:11:28.380 Casie Aviles: Yeah, right now it’s just this, so basically it exposes the database that we have.
112 00:11:29.450 ⇒ 00:11:36.659 Casie Aviles: Okay, this should, like, make it… Clear, hopefully, for… Jenny’s…
113 00:11:36.870 ⇒ 00:11:42.549 Casie Aviles: To see, like, the contents of the database versus just, you know, having, like, forms.
114 00:11:43.280 ⇒ 00:11:44.190 Casie Aviles: Nice.
115 00:11:45.040 ⇒ 00:11:54.289 Casie Aviles: And… yeah, that’s pretty much… I used what Sam suggested, which is, like, a React admin. I think that’s… that’s, like, the…
116 00:11:54.600 ⇒ 00:11:55.760 Casie Aviles: Library.
117 00:11:56.340 ⇒ 00:11:57.350 Uttam Kumaran: So…
118 00:11:57.750 ⇒ 00:12:00.090 Casie Aviles: Yeah, I still have to, like, go through…
119 00:12:01.270 ⇒ 00:12:09.830 Casie Aviles: each of these views and test the filters, and I’m also going to test, like, the CRUD actions.
120 00:12:10.060 ⇒ 00:12:13.830 Casie Aviles: So yeah, I think that’s what I’ll be doing for this week.
121 00:12:14.570 ⇒ 00:12:15.890 Uttam Kumaran: And then…
122 00:12:15.890 ⇒ 00:12:17.250 Casie Aviles: next week, I think.
123 00:12:17.680 ⇒ 00:12:22.890 Casie Aviles: I could have Sam, once Sam is back, the team is back, take a look as well, or…
124 00:12:23.790 ⇒ 00:12:27.900 Casie Aviles: Yeah, depending on… Yep.
125 00:12:28.310 ⇒ 00:12:35.390 Casie Aviles: Yeah, and then, I guess, also by next week, you should be able to… Also, show Janice.
126 00:12:36.200 ⇒ 00:12:40.960 Casie Aviles: And schedule, probably schedule a call with her, or just give a demo.
127 00:12:41.960 ⇒ 00:12:42.410 Uttam Kumaran: Nice.
128 00:12:42.410 ⇒ 00:12:48.660 Casie Aviles: I think those are my plans, but yeah, for this week, I just want to… Basically, iron this out.
129 00:12:50.450 ⇒ 00:12:51.650 Uttam Kumaran: Great, dude, this one’s great.
130 00:12:53.220 ⇒ 00:12:56.700 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, if it ends up in a good place, you can also send them as an email.
131 00:12:57.660 ⇒ 00:12:59.150 Casie Aviles: But I’ll be excited to see that.
132 00:13:01.130 ⇒ 00:13:01.750 Casie Aviles: Sure.
133 00:13:05.150 ⇒ 00:13:12.189 Uttam Kumaran: Cool. And then, yeah, maybe, we can chat about stuff for Lilo Pranav. I guess we’re gonna be meeting with them, and then…
134 00:13:12.300 ⇒ 00:13:14.759 Uttam Kumaran: But 30 minutes or so.
135 00:13:14.860 ⇒ 00:13:17.620 Uttam Kumaran: I don’t… we don’t have to do a deck or anything for…
136 00:13:17.760 ⇒ 00:13:21.270 Uttam Kumaran: Maybe what I’ll… maybe I’ll actually show you what we walked them through last time.
137 00:13:21.740 ⇒ 00:13:24.500 Uttam Kumaran: Just so you’re aware of, like, where we left off.
138 00:13:26.710 ⇒ 00:13:29.340 Pranav: I did also go through that presentation, I think I was.
139 00:13:29.340 ⇒ 00:13:30.340 Uttam Kumaran: Oh, okay, okay, great.
140 00:13:30.340 ⇒ 00:13:30.940 Pranav: Chris.
141 00:13:31.070 ⇒ 00:13:34.120 Pranav: But yeah, I looked at that,
142 00:13:34.310 ⇒ 00:13:40.469 Pranav: And so, maybe I’ll just, like, brief myself on it again, but I do remember looking at it.
143 00:13:41.310 ⇒ 00:13:48.620 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, like, I don’t… I don’t… I’m not gonna put together another one for today, but basically, I just kind of walked in… we just…
144 00:13:48.970 ⇒ 00:13:51.250 Uttam Kumaran: For these guys, like,
145 00:13:52.170 ⇒ 00:14:02.829 Uttam Kumaran: Basically, when clients are like them, where they’re super, super, like, scrappy, and they, like, want to move quickly, it’s almost our job to, like, slow it down, because we’ll fall into the same trap
146 00:14:03.190 ⇒ 00:14:12.730 Uttam Kumaran: that they do, which is just, like, you ship stuff and nobody ends up using it, you don’t, like, planned it out. So, part of our job here is also going to be able to, like, guide them into, like, what building a good
147 00:14:12.900 ⇒ 00:14:18.240 Uttam Kumaran: product, like, methodically looks like. Also, again, it just allows us to, like.
148 00:14:18.480 ⇒ 00:14:24.439 Uttam Kumaran: If we start moving super, super fast, and we set the expectation that way, you’re sort of shooting our…
149 00:14:24.570 ⇒ 00:14:39.830 Uttam Kumaran: future selves in the foot a little bit, so I still want to move quickly, but I do… I don’t want to… like, I do want to have some method to the madness, and so that’s why I think it was important to kind of go through the deck, show them a little bit about, like.
150 00:14:39.960 ⇒ 00:14:41.170 Uttam Kumaran: How we think about
151 00:14:41.770 ⇒ 00:14:48.260 Uttam Kumaran: Developing everything, and sort of, they wanted to spend a little bit of time talking about,
152 00:14:48.480 ⇒ 00:14:51.310 Uttam Kumaran: Like, the data architecture and stuff like that.
153 00:14:51.500 ⇒ 00:14:55.870 Uttam Kumaran: But yeah, for today, really, I can probably just,
154 00:14:56.560 ⇒ 00:15:06.019 Uttam Kumaran: I mean, would you… what we did last time is I sort of prepared, like, a little bit of a demo agenda with Sam, and then he kind of walked through each piece of it.
155 00:15:06.160 ⇒ 00:15:12.389 Uttam Kumaran: Like, what… what’s sort of ready to share today, and is there anything we need feedback from… from them on?
156 00:15:15.310 ⇒ 00:15:24.780 Pranav: Okay. Yeah, the one thing that I just saw, like, kind of discussed last week, on,
157 00:15:25.550 ⇒ 00:15:34.989 Pranav: that, like, after we basically, like, showed them the URLs for, the staging environment where we kind of reached, like, that feature parity.
158 00:15:35.160 ⇒ 00:15:43.059 Pranav: was they… they were talking about, the MCP server and not having a place to have, like.
159 00:15:43.280 ⇒ 00:15:49.419 Pranav: To insert their specific Klaviyo API key. And…
160 00:15:49.910 ⇒ 00:15:58.969 Pranav: So, I think that’s gonna be a topic of discussion for this, and I, and I think it’s… I was thinking, actually, the same thing that you were saying, like.
161 00:15:59.100 ⇒ 00:16:01.270 Pranav: Just a second ago, which was.
162 00:16:01.810 ⇒ 00:16:09.330 Pranav: I don’t want to move super fast and add a bunch of just, like, random features without knowing that they’re actually gonna use them.
163 00:16:09.750 ⇒ 00:16:10.460 Uttam Kumaran: Yes.
164 00:16:11.090 ⇒ 00:16:17.489 Pranav: And also, just, I think if we can do it in a way where it’s a little bit more iterative and, like.
165 00:16:17.570 ⇒ 00:16:23.960 Pranav: They can test things, so we don’t have to just, like, build a bunch of stuff, and then just scrap a bunch of stuff as well.
166 00:16:23.960 ⇒ 00:16:37.850 Pranav: I think this Klaviyo thing is, like, a perfect example of it, because right now we have, like, an API key that they gave us for, some specific client, maybe it’s their, like, their test client, or their test account, I mean.
167 00:16:38.320 ⇒ 00:16:53.559 Pranav: And so they’re able to use the chat and, like, use the Klaviyo MCP tool. And so, for testing purposes, it’s… it’s perfect. In terms of actually, like, production, yeah, they’ll need to have a way to, like, have…
168 00:16:53.890 ⇒ 00:17:12.629 Pranav: they’ll have to be able to insert API keys on a per-client basis. But if we can just kind of explain that, like, okay, this is where we’re at right now, like, let us know how this tool is working. If, within this MCP tool, if, like, certain, specific tools aren’t, like.
169 00:17:12.700 ⇒ 00:17:23.600 Pranav: firing properly, like, let us know. And basically, they’ll be able to let us know that based on all the different prompts that they’re used to using with this Klaviyo MCP tool.
170 00:17:23.730 ⇒ 00:17:24.719 Pranav: So… Yeah.
171 00:17:25.329 ⇒ 00:17:32.019 Pranav: Yeah, I think, if we can get them to test it where it’s at right now, and then give specific feedback, and not, like…
172 00:17:32.300 ⇒ 00:17:35.579 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah. Additional features, that would be… that’d be perfect.
173 00:17:36.150 ⇒ 00:17:36.850 Uttam Kumaran: Okay.
174 00:17:40.640 ⇒ 00:17:41.790 Uttam Kumaran: Hopkins, great.
175 00:17:42.610 ⇒ 00:17:52.219 Uttam Kumaran: So maybe I can… I mean, today, maybe we can hop on with them. Do you want to share? Like, can I access… can I access it and log in on my side, too? And then maybe we can kind of go through…
176 00:17:52.700 ⇒ 00:17:56.509 Uttam Kumaran: Like, we can just go do a dry run right now, like, what we want to share with them.
177 00:17:57.390 ⇒ 00:18:02.399 Pranav: Yeah, let’s do it. Do you have the staging URL? I can get it for you.
178 00:18:03.080 ⇒ 00:18:06.100 Uttam Kumaran: A, yes.
179 00:18:06.750 ⇒ 00:18:09.289 Pranav: I got it up right here, so I can just toss it in the chat.
180 00:18:09.290 ⇒ 00:18:10.130 Uttam Kumaran: Okay, yeah.
181 00:18:20.040 ⇒ 00:18:22.440 Uttam Kumaran: The other thing also,
182 00:18:22.810 ⇒ 00:18:31.880 Uttam Kumaran: And I’m kind of curious… I’m actually interested in also how you did it at the… forgot the name of the other firm that you were working with here in Austin, but I’m curious, like, how…
183 00:18:32.440 ⇒ 00:18:40.000 Uttam Kumaran: If there’s any… if they presented, like, progress or anything in, like, any… unique ways, but, like, almost.
184 00:18:40.000 ⇒ 00:18:40.590 Pranav: So…
185 00:18:40.810 ⇒ 00:18:51.480 Uttam Kumaran: I think, especially, like, us, we’re sort of used to working internally in product teams, like, you can almost skirt past really quickly a lot of, like, the
186 00:18:51.680 ⇒ 00:18:56.359 Uttam Kumaran: Sort of, like, quality of life things that we were doing, and so I always want to just, like.
187 00:18:56.860 ⇒ 00:19:05.320 Uttam Kumaran: I always want to list out the things that we’ve done and accomplished, and we get credit for that. Like, even being able to put it on LiloSocial.com and stuff like that gets, like.
188 00:19:05.600 ⇒ 00:19:11.299 Uttam Kumaran: it’s just important, right? It’s something that the other folks, like, I don’t know if they ever end up doing, or whatever.
189 00:19:11.610 ⇒ 00:19:12.870 Pranav: Yeah. So…
190 00:19:12.890 ⇒ 00:19:23.089 Uttam Kumaran: But, yeah, I’m curious, like, how… seeing how we’re presenting to the client versus, like, your last place, like, if you… if there’s anything we can learn, or if you think there’s anything worth copying.
191 00:19:23.440 ⇒ 00:19:43.439 Pranav: Yeah, I would say we… I really like the way that we’re doing it. We’re really kind of… even though, at least up until now, I haven’t met the client, I think you guys… and it’s only been 2 weeks since I’ve been here, or maybe just around 2 weeks, you guys have been meeting on, like, a per… like, a weekly basis, it sounds like, right?
192 00:19:43.440 ⇒ 00:19:44.050 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah.
193 00:19:44.270 ⇒ 00:19:46.570 Pranav: Yeah, that’s about what,
194 00:19:46.720 ⇒ 00:19:53.299 Pranav: I would do for, like, like, the clients that I was working, like, with that other firm.
195 00:19:54.530 ⇒ 00:20:00.079 Pranav: For… for some clients, it was like that. For other clients, it would be, like, on the…
196 00:20:00.360 ⇒ 00:20:07.820 Pranav: On the timeline, we would have, like, a demo date, and then other than that, we wouldn’t, like, create, like, presentations, per se.
197 00:20:08.120 ⇒ 00:20:08.779 Uttam Kumaran: I see.
198 00:20:08.780 ⇒ 00:20:17.639 Pranav: We would still, like, update, like, an external chat like this, internal chat. But… For some clients.
199 00:20:17.860 ⇒ 00:20:32.039 Pranav: and this was specifically for clients that had, like, a… like, a technical team, and so it probably doesn’t apply to Lilo. We would just add them to the stand-ups, and they could just be optional, they can come whenever they want, and it’s just, like, a good place, like, if…
200 00:20:32.040 ⇒ 00:20:40.360 Pranav: in a conversation, we’re like, oh, we need to ask the client for this? The client’s already there, and then they can just, maybe even in the meeting, just, like, give us the information we need.
201 00:20:42.160 ⇒ 00:20:56.989 Pranav: Yeah, so I don’t think that’s really useful for… honestly, I didn’t love that, because, like, say something wasn’t going great day-to-day, it just maybe increases panic for the client. They don’t need to be… like, we can have more internal conversations.
202 00:20:56.990 ⇒ 00:21:00.380 Uttam Kumaran: No, that’s why we have the internal and external, by the way, because… Yeah.
203 00:21:00.490 ⇒ 00:21:11.189 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, it’s, like, one of the… it’s a lesson I learned very early on. But see, the other thing is, like, I think it’s… I think even if we don’t end up using an agenda or, like, a deck.
204 00:21:11.430 ⇒ 00:21:15.450 Uttam Kumaran: I’m… my… I just have a lot of background in, like, the
205 00:21:16.070 ⇒ 00:21:23.290 Uttam Kumaran: finance, like, banking world, and you’ll just… you just always want to, like, have that in case, because no matter what.
206 00:21:23.470 ⇒ 00:21:24.900 Uttam Kumaran: If we’re prepared.
207 00:21:25.030 ⇒ 00:21:30.460 Uttam Kumaran: And we use that, then that’ll be a great meeting. But if we then want to go ad hoc or, like, do stuff, we can.
208 00:21:30.860 ⇒ 00:21:46.720 Uttam Kumaran: And sometimes, like, some clients are like, oh, this is so disorganized, like, you guys don’t have an agenda or something. I’m like, alright, so… so we always kind of have something prepared, you know, because live demos and stuff like that, you can get put on the spot, and so you want to control the narrative, you know?
209 00:21:47.150 ⇒ 00:21:50.109 Pranav: Yeah. Yep. That makes sense.
210 00:21:50.330 ⇒ 00:21:59.569 Pranav: I do like the way that we’re doing it, like a once-a-week type, just like, this is the progress that we made this past week, and, like.
211 00:21:59.860 ⇒ 00:22:06.280 Pranav: at the speed that we’re doing things, there is something exciting to, like, demo every week.
212 00:22:06.700 ⇒ 00:22:15.389 Pranav: And so, I think it’s the perfect type of… I think for this client, it’s, like, the perfect way to do things. Yeah.
213 00:22:15.570 ⇒ 00:22:22.890 Pranav: Maybe if we had, like, a bigger team, and, like, there was a much bigger thing that we were working on, and, you know, we had, like.
214 00:22:23.630 ⇒ 00:22:32.109 Pranav: daily… like, if… like, I would say this isn’t, like, a super complex client, and, like, a super.
215 00:22:32.110 ⇒ 00:22:32.430 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah.
216 00:22:32.430 ⇒ 00:22:35.290 Pranav: projects that we’re working on, and so it doesn’t really…
217 00:22:35.940 ⇒ 00:22:39.340 Pranav: Yeah, I don’t really even see the added benefit of adding the client to, like…
218 00:22:39.340 ⇒ 00:22:55.830 Uttam Kumaran: Like, we will… we will get there, we’ll get… the next set of clients, like, as our company is growing, we’re gonna go into more of an enterprise world, where you’re… it’s… you’re gonna end up… people are gonna be assigned to, like, one client. You know, or, like, and we’re gonna run stand-ups for, like, one client.
219 00:22:55.870 ⇒ 00:23:05.929 Uttam Kumaran: And some of them are gonna be big enough where we have to do it every day with them. So, like, that’s where we’ll grow to, because we’re now at… we’re now, like, at this size, where some of these are, like, 10, 20K a month.
220 00:23:06.140 ⇒ 00:23:20.060 Uttam Kumaran: Like, we can’t spend that much time. Instead, I want to budget as much time to delivering, but then we guarantee that at least we’ll talk to them once a week. But when we get to clients that are gonna… if we end up moving towards, like, 50 to 100K a month.
221 00:23:20.410 ⇒ 00:23:27.720 Uttam Kumaran: Then, it’s like, they’re gonna be a lot bigger scope, where we’re gonna, you know, it’s gonna be more people full-time assigned to it, so…
222 00:23:28.920 ⇒ 00:23:33.300 Pranav: Yeah, and that… you probably want to have more check-ins, maybe, like.
223 00:23:33.300 ⇒ 00:23:33.630 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah.
224 00:23:33.910 ⇒ 00:23:42.060 Pranav: where we just have, like, a one-hour conversation isn’t enough. Maybe we need to then, like, have, like, daily-type updates, or just, like…
225 00:23:42.640 ⇒ 00:23:47.459 Pranav: Yeah, I actually don’t know exactly the best way to do that,
226 00:23:49.240 ⇒ 00:23:58.799 Pranav: I… honestly, maybe what we’re doing right now is even scalable, too, because you don’t want to also spend a ton of time just, like, presenting every… like, if you’re just, like.
227 00:23:59.150 ⇒ 00:24:03.589 Pranav: Sending, you wouldn’t send a deck every single day, that doesn’t make sense, I think.
228 00:24:03.590 ⇒ 00:24:13.830 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, no, I think once a week, because also, the thing is, it’s a lot of insurance policy for us, too, just to make sure we track what’s getting done, and I want to create assets that they can share
229 00:24:14.010 ⇒ 00:24:26.809 Uttam Kumaran: externally, or like, for example, most of the people… a lot of companies, we’re not working with the CEOs, like, we’re working maybe one layer down, or two layers down, and so for that person to be able to send stuff up internally.
230 00:24:26.940 ⇒ 00:24:31.860 Pranav: Like, giving them a deck basically allows… instead of us sending it, they send it, and then it’s like, okay.
231 00:24:32.230 ⇒ 00:24:40.659 Uttam Kumaran: everybody’s, like, happy, everybody has visibility into who we are and what we’re doing, and everything’s, like, Brainforged branded, so people know us internally, even if we’ve never met.
232 00:24:41.040 ⇒ 00:24:43.470 Uttam Kumaran: The people that are reading our stuff, so…
233 00:24:44.300 ⇒ 00:24:51.420 Pranav: Yeah, I would say, actually, this solution and, like, the process that you guys have built is much…
234 00:24:51.540 ⇒ 00:25:05.109 Pranav: more… I would say refined than, like, what I was doing at the other agency. There, it was more so, like, we’re working directly with, like, the CEO or the person in charge, so they didn’t really need those,
235 00:25:05.520 ⇒ 00:25:11.070 Pranav: they didn’t benefit as much from having, like, resources that they could share within the organization. Yeah. So…
236 00:25:11.690 ⇒ 00:25:13.210 Pranav: I think.
237 00:25:13.380 ⇒ 00:25:17.879 Uttam Kumaran: It starts that way. It always starts, like, a lot scrappier like that, and then…
238 00:25:18.050 ⇒ 00:25:20.969 Pranav: We end up growing into orgs where we’re supporting, like.
239 00:25:20.980 ⇒ 00:25:24.379 Uttam Kumaran: We’re supporting, like, two different teams in one company.
240 00:25:24.580 ⇒ 00:25:26.100 Pranav: And then…
241 00:25:26.100 ⇒ 00:25:39.959 Uttam Kumaran: It’s also tough, like, I think we’ve never… I’ve never been worried about us doing the work. Actually, like, the communication is… is really actually, like, so much of the problem, that we have to figure out how to solve, because
242 00:25:40.190 ⇒ 00:25:53.030 Uttam Kumaran: I think I’ve never been worried about us getting the job done, but it’s oftentimes that we are coming in as consultants because there is a problem, right? And so we have to over-communicate. We have to, like, we have to really, like, over-index on that.
243 00:25:53.730 ⇒ 00:25:55.439 Uttam Kumaran: Because typically.
244 00:25:55.970 ⇒ 00:26:00.089 Uttam Kumaran: if they would have been able to do it internally, they’ll do it, right? So they hired a consultant because
245 00:26:00.290 ⇒ 00:26:07.990 Uttam Kumaran: They need to move much faster. They’re not getting the communication they need internally. Maybe they don’t have the knowledge on how to do it internally.
246 00:26:08.000 ⇒ 00:26:22.530 Uttam Kumaran: all of those are, like, you just have to communicate, like, super, super heavy. So, I’ve always told the team that, like, you have to just… you just, like, there’s nothing can go wrong with over-communicating, sending more updates. No one ever gets shot for that, you know?
247 00:26:22.530 ⇒ 00:26:22.990 Pranav: Yeah.
248 00:26:22.990 ⇒ 00:26:32.880 Uttam Kumaran: Always, like, when you sort of go a couple days, you don’t say anything, or like, oh, we thought we were waiting on something, or we’re not waiting on it, like, that type of stuff is what really, like, hurts us.
249 00:26:33.480 ⇒ 00:26:35.219 Pranav: Yeah, that makes sense.
250 00:26:35.680 ⇒ 00:26:50.599 Pranav: I would say one thing that is still a little bit confusing to me, just based on how… because we’re structuring things a little bit differently, right? Like, Sam, and also with, like, how Clarence is kind of setting up this, like, new…
251 00:26:50.880 ⇒ 00:26:51.610 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah.
252 00:26:51.610 ⇒ 00:26:56.860 Pranav: immunization, how are we, like, billing clients? Like, on, like.
253 00:26:57.110 ⇒ 00:27:02.280 Pranav: I’m used to kind of, like, oh, we have, like, an allocated, like, number of hours per… per month.
254 00:27:02.280 ⇒ 00:27:02.880 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah.
255 00:27:02.880 ⇒ 00:27:12.860 Pranav: We then divide that into weeks, so then we can say, like, okay, like, yeah, front of you have, like, 20 hours this week, Sam, you have 10 hours this week, etc.
256 00:27:12.860 ⇒ 00:27:13.450 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah.
257 00:27:13.870 ⇒ 00:27:18.849 Pranav: Do you guys, like, think of it the same way, or do you guys think of it differently?
258 00:27:19.460 ⇒ 00:27:29.089 Uttam Kumaran: No, we do think about it, like, in a very, like, basically the exact same way. I think what you’re seeing, though, is, like, our company just got jammed the last, like.
259 00:27:29.320 ⇒ 00:27:32.999 Uttam Kumaran: 6 weeks, because we just grew like crazy, and so…
260 00:27:33.790 ⇒ 00:27:42.910 Uttam Kumaran: unfortunately, what I have to instead focus on is just, like, whatever it takes to get the work out, and I know we’ve priced in a way where we’ll make margin, but
261 00:27:42.960 ⇒ 00:27:58.360 Uttam Kumaran: we… this… what you’ll see coming out of this week is, like, a lot more clarity on what assignments you have, and how much time you have to spend on each of them. To show you… to give you… to give you an example, this is, like, this is the,
262 00:27:58.660 ⇒ 00:28:02.559 Uttam Kumaran: Software we use internally for all of our, like, sort of resource planning.
263 00:28:02.720 ⇒ 00:28:12.429 Uttam Kumaran: So, like, for example, you’ll see for, like, ABC, you’ll see, like, who’s assigned to this client, how much time they’re…
264 00:28:12.640 ⇒ 00:28:26.809 Uttam Kumaran: how much time they’re… what role they’re in, how much time they have for each. And so we use this… this tool operating, to sort of help us do that. So you’ll be able to see for any single deal, and some of these are internal,
265 00:28:28.040 ⇒ 00:28:30.659 Uttam Kumaran: Projects, so let me go ahead and do these.
266 00:28:31.680 ⇒ 00:28:33.399 Uttam Kumaran: So, you’ll be able to see, like.
267 00:28:33.740 ⇒ 00:28:38.820 Uttam Kumaran: For Lilo, right, we haven’t done… we haven’t done the allocations yet. Typically, the way…
268 00:28:39.010 ⇒ 00:28:52.520 Uttam Kumaran: we were running this probably in October before things kind of went crazy, is every Monday we do a delivery leads meeting, and then every month before the end of the month, we do an allocation for the following month, and then…
269 00:28:52.520 ⇒ 00:29:03.050 Uttam Kumaran: before the month starts, you’ll get a sense of what clients are allocated to. We just got absolutely smashed, like, the past 6 weeks, so this kind of all fell by the wayside.
270 00:29:03.130 ⇒ 00:29:16.540 Uttam Kumaran: Because I… one, I needed… I need… I was not working on some deals, and then we brought on you, like, 3 other people, and then I needed more help on operations, so Eliza joined, and Clarence joined, and so the reason why
271 00:29:16.800 ⇒ 00:29:29.729 Uttam Kumaran: reason why we haven’t done this, like, typically, if you were to join in October, you would have gotten, like, really, some clarity on, like, hours and allocation. Mainly, we’re just, like, we… I was like, okay, we need to survive until Christmas, and then we’ll start this back up again.
272 00:29:29.730 ⇒ 00:29:39.009 Uttam Kumaran: And what you’ll see is, like, I met with Clarence over the weekend on Saturday here in Austin, and we sort of arrived at all the allocations and assignments for…
273 00:29:40.440 ⇒ 00:29:46.859 Uttam Kumaran: next month, and so we’ll send that out this week to see where you’re assigned. You’ll see, like, which roles you have.
274 00:29:46.970 ⇒ 00:29:53.800 Uttam Kumaran: And then we’ll start to… we’ll also indicate, like, the meeting structure going forward for the next quarter.
275 00:29:53.950 ⇒ 00:29:57.370 Uttam Kumaran: So there’ll be a bunch of changes. Again, I just couldn’t…
276 00:29:57.770 ⇒ 00:30:05.060 Uttam Kumaran: By the time until we got to break to do it again, so… But yeah, typically we have assignments or everything.
277 00:30:05.060 ⇒ 00:30:05.870 Pranav: Yeah.
278 00:30:05.870 ⇒ 00:30:15.640 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, it’s just more of, like, I knew we were gonna make money on all the deals, more of, like, we just need to, like, take them off and, like, start, and then we’ll…
279 00:30:16.160 ⇒ 00:30:20.529 Uttam Kumaran: come back in January more optimized. It’s not ideal, like, I wouldn’t… I don’t… I don’t…
280 00:30:20.730 ⇒ 00:30:23.849 Uttam Kumaran: Want to do it this way, but we just have never…
281 00:30:24.060 ⇒ 00:30:33.820 Uttam Kumaran: We’ve never had to balance, like, 15 projects, you know, 10, 12 clients before. It’s always been, like, 6 to 8. So, it’s just a lot of things broke.
282 00:30:34.570 ⇒ 00:30:35.710 Pranav: Gotcha, gotcha.
283 00:30:36.080 ⇒ 00:30:46.360 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, no, that makes sense. But ultimately, like, look, we have to deliver work, so the one thing I can’t… I can’t go to the client and be like, oh, well, sorry, we’re slow because we haven’t done allocations, like.
284 00:30:46.360 ⇒ 00:30:47.140 Pranav: Yeah.
285 00:30:47.140 ⇒ 00:30:50.109 Uttam Kumaran: Like, what are you talking about, you know?
286 00:30:50.110 ⇒ 00:30:51.729 Pranav: I… I’m like…
287 00:30:51.830 ⇒ 00:30:55.949 Uttam Kumaran: guys, just hang on, like, I’ll get some clarity in the new year, so…
288 00:30:56.280 ⇒ 00:30:59.570 Pranav: Yeah, actually, on that note, I saw, like.
289 00:30:59.690 ⇒ 00:31:10.659 Pranav: Ryan’s, like, LinkedIn post saying, like, hiring for, like, ops manager, and so I was wondering if you guys have already filled that, because I do know someone, like, in Austin that I think would be, like, a really good fit.
290 00:31:10.660 ⇒ 00:31:28.290 Uttam Kumaran: Oh, please, no, we have not filled it. Yeah, kind of, what you hear me say broadly is if you have someone in your life that you would describe as smart, I’m interested in talking to them about working for us. So, more than happy, even if there’s not a role for them now.
291 00:31:28.350 ⇒ 00:31:32.760 Uttam Kumaran: We… there’s a… depending on their skill set, we can open one, or, like.
292 00:31:32.870 ⇒ 00:31:37.520 Uttam Kumaran: I sort of… as you know, I sort of interview very proactively, so…
293 00:31:37.520 ⇒ 00:31:37.910 Pranav: Yeah.
294 00:31:37.910 ⇒ 00:31:40.590 Uttam Kumaran: More than happy to chat with anybody.
295 00:31:40.930 ⇒ 00:31:46.910 Pranav: Cool, cool. I’ll send you his details then. Yeah, I think he would be a really good fit. Yeah, and I can really… I can definitely vouch for him.
296 00:31:47.430 ⇒ 00:31:48.730 Uttam Kumaran: Okay, okay, cool.
297 00:31:48.730 ⇒ 00:31:49.310 Pranav: Yeah.
298 00:31:50.980 ⇒ 00:31:56.820 Uttam Kumaran: Okay, sorry, I took us off track. Yeah, okay, so I’ve stitched… I have it up now.
299 00:31:57.920 ⇒ 00:31:58.590 Pranav: Okay.
300 00:32:04.440 ⇒ 00:32:10.330 Uttam Kumaran: So, are you just gonna go through, create a brand, and then, like, hook up Klaviyo, basically.
301 00:32:11.770 ⇒ 00:32:22.099 Pranav: Yeah, so what I would say is… they probably already, like, touched all the functionality here, because there’s not a ton, right?
302 00:32:22.100 ⇒ 00:32:24.179 Uttam Kumaran: What I would say is…
303 00:32:24.180 ⇒ 00:32:31.720 Pranav: you know, there’s certain changes in the UI that we’ve made that are subtle, but, like, I don’t know how much is, like.
304 00:32:32.230 ⇒ 00:32:35.219 Pranav: like, they really care about, you know? I just kind of…
305 00:32:35.220 ⇒ 00:32:38.770 Uttam Kumaran: And I’m just gonna list them out, so I’ll have a list of them on my side.
306 00:32:39.150 ⇒ 00:32:45.709 Pranav: Yeah, so… they’re, let’s see, so…
307 00:32:46.440 ⇒ 00:32:48.859 Uttam Kumaran: You can share screen if you’d like, it’s easier.
308 00:32:49.060 ⇒ 00:32:50.179 Pranav: Yeah, yeah.
309 00:33:00.180 ⇒ 00:33:01.660 Pranav: Yo, can you see my screen?
310 00:33:01.890 ⇒ 00:33:02.570 Uttam Kumaran: Yes.
311 00:33:02.780 ⇒ 00:33:03.790 Pranav: Perfect, okay.
312 00:33:03.940 ⇒ 00:33:10.209 Pranav: Yeah, so… This add brand functionality,
313 00:33:10.410 ⇒ 00:33:16.770 Pranav: I’m… they don’t want to just, of course, like, add a brand name here. I believe they also want to add a URL.
314 00:33:16.970 ⇒ 00:33:21.469 Pranav: And so, that’s one thing that…
315 00:33:22.060 ⇒ 00:33:28.800 Pranav: I think we need to add, I’m not exactly sure, like…
316 00:33:29.110 ⇒ 00:33:49.040 Pranav: if they want to add, like, more, like, like, data here as well. And so, for right now, we’re just adding brand. I think that’s a good question for us to ask, like, what other type of, I guess, like, metadata do you want to also attach to, like, when creating a brand? Maybe, like, email addresses, etc?
317 00:33:50.880 ⇒ 00:33:55.990 Pranav: that wasn’t in, like, the Angular app, but it’s just, like, I assume that’s something that they would want.
318 00:33:56.110 ⇒ 00:33:57.200 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah.
319 00:33:57.530 ⇒ 00:33:59.610 Pranav: Let’s say, like, okay, so now, like.
320 00:34:00.240 ⇒ 00:34:04.889 Pranav: We click into one of, the stores,
321 00:34:05.980 ⇒ 00:34:21.750 Pranav: And yeah, so that was, like, another thing, like, they call them stores in some places, brands in other places, are they synonymous? Do they want to kind of just, like, rename them to just one thing? Is that important to them? We can… that’s another question we could ask them.
322 00:34:22.719 ⇒ 00:34:25.699 Pranav: Another thing, too, is,
323 00:34:27.850 ⇒ 00:34:34.799 Pranav: do they have this prompt library? Like a latest version of this prompt library?
324 00:34:34.949 ⇒ 00:34:40.239 Pranav: we’ve seen in GitHub that they have a few prompts in there, I believe.
325 00:34:41.570 ⇒ 00:34:44.790 Pranav: Yeah, I need to double-check that, actually, but…
326 00:34:45.730 ⇒ 00:34:54.699 Pranav: does this prompt library, like, do they… do they want it to exist here? Do they want it to be, like, in a… in a separate panel?
327 00:34:55.690 ⇒ 00:34:59.269 Pranav: like, where exactly do they want this to exist? And also, like.
328 00:34:59.550 ⇒ 00:35:04.520 Pranav: Do they want the functionality to be, like, even after they’ve started a conversation?
329 00:35:05.730 ⇒ 00:35:11.800 Uttam Kumaran: Well, I guess this is where my point was that, like, I actually don’t… I don’t think they’re gonna…
330 00:35:12.290 ⇒ 00:35:13.750 Uttam Kumaran: care much about
331 00:35:14.610 ⇒ 00:35:21.129 Uttam Kumaran: the prompt library, I actually think, like, they care much more about the output, so my vote is gonna be, like.
332 00:35:21.360 ⇒ 00:35:23.610 Uttam Kumaran: We should just get laying fuse hooked up.
333 00:35:23.840 ⇒ 00:35:27.549 Uttam Kumaran: If they want to go modify prompts, they can go do that in Lang Views.
334 00:35:27.560 ⇒ 00:35:30.390 Pranav: Like, I don’t think there needs to be a… I don’t think we should think about…
335 00:35:30.770 ⇒ 00:35:33.680 Uttam Kumaran: Like, I don’t think… I just wanna…
336 00:35:34.130 ⇒ 00:35:40.890 Uttam Kumaran: reduce… I don’t… I think they… because they were informing the last product roadmap, they were probably like, yeah, we want to place and manage prompts, but…
337 00:35:41.290 ⇒ 00:35:47.759 Uttam Kumaran: I don’t think they’re actually gonna be doing a lot of that. I think we’re probably gonna just nail the prompts and focus a lot more on, like,
338 00:35:47.920 ⇒ 00:35:50.659 Uttam Kumaran: On our side, it’ll be focused on displaying the outputs.
339 00:35:50.900 ⇒ 00:35:52.040 Pranav: So…
340 00:35:52.110 ⇒ 00:35:57.329 Uttam Kumaran: Okay. I don’t know, I feel like we’re gonna… meaning we’re gonna probably own the prompt engineering on this.
341 00:35:58.230 ⇒ 00:35:59.750 Pranav: Okay, yeah.
342 00:36:01.700 ⇒ 00:36:07.070 Uttam Kumaran: So that’s probably what I’m gonna vote for, is that, like, prop management, we sort of, like, moved this to lane queues.
343 00:36:08.880 ⇒ 00:36:10.480 Pranav: Okay, sounds good.
344 00:36:11.350 ⇒ 00:36:15.800 Pranav: Let me think, what else…
345 00:36:18.580 ⇒ 00:36:23.430 Pranav: So, we also created, like, this, settings page that… this has…
346 00:36:24.100 ⇒ 00:36:27.350 Pranav: This looks a little bit different.
347 00:36:30.990 ⇒ 00:36:32.389 Pranav: Let’s see…
348 00:36:33.170 ⇒ 00:36:41.039 Pranav: Oh, and I wasn’t able to see a view of this reports page from, like, all the demos that I’ve seen.
349 00:36:41.040 ⇒ 00:36:41.490 Uttam Kumaran: Okay.
350 00:36:41.490 ⇒ 00:36:42.680 Pranav: So…
351 00:36:42.890 ⇒ 00:36:53.890 Pranav: maybe just, like, we can just get, like, a high-level, like, understanding from… from the client today, just, like, what do they want this reports view to look like? That would be helpful to me. Yeah.
352 00:36:57.500 ⇒ 00:37:00.910 Pranav: But… Yeah, for the most part.
353 00:37:01.930 ⇒ 00:37:04.570 Pranav: That’s… that’s what we’re gonna show them.
354 00:37:09.750 ⇒ 00:37:13.910 Pranav: Yeah, like, right now, like, if we start a conversation, Like, it should.
355 00:37:13.910 ⇒ 00:37:16.640 Uttam Kumaran: So I know he… I know he did send a note…
356 00:37:17.010 ⇒ 00:37:21.470 Uttam Kumaran: Saying that he’s not able to add… Klaviyo.
357 00:37:22.820 ⇒ 00:37:23.910 Pranav: Yeah, so…
358 00:37:23.910 ⇒ 00:37:24.810 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah.
359 00:37:24.810 ⇒ 00:37:29.370 Pranav: I did see that. Let me go to Railway right now.
360 00:37:31.770 ⇒ 00:37:35.119 Pranav: So, in Railway, like, we do have the…
361 00:37:38.900 ⇒ 00:37:47.089 Pranav: Yeah, we do have, like, the MCP server up, and… It’s basically using their test…
362 00:37:47.240 ⇒ 00:37:50.559 Pranav: their test account, like, API key.
363 00:37:50.560 ⇒ 00:37:50.890 Uttam Kumaran: But they’re.
364 00:37:50.890 ⇒ 00:37:55.970 Pranav: able to configure that as of right now within the app. So it is connected, like.
365 00:37:56.390 ⇒ 00:37:59.290 Pranav: if we, like, turn on Klaviyo here.
366 00:37:59.290 ⇒ 00:38:03.460 Uttam Kumaran: So we can just ask them if they want to give us another API key, we can swap it for now.
367 00:38:03.950 ⇒ 00:38:06.570 Pranav: Yeah, if they want to use a different… yeah, exactly. If they want to use an.
368 00:38:06.570 ⇒ 00:38:07.490 Uttam Kumaran: Can you…
369 00:38:07.490 ⇒ 00:38:08.100 Pranav: testing.
370 00:38:08.920 ⇒ 00:38:11.510 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, maybe I can,
371 00:38:12.560 ⇒ 00:38:16.310 Uttam Kumaran: Do you want to maybe message him and see if you can get that before…
372 00:38:16.680 ⇒ 00:38:21.170 Uttam Kumaran: the meeting, because I think that’s what he wanted to do. He wanted to swap it with, like, a real Klaviyo key.
373 00:38:21.670 ⇒ 00:38:23.780 Pranav: Oh, okay. Yeah, let me…
374 00:38:23.780 ⇒ 00:38:26.289 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, he sent it out, he sent it on the 26th, yeah.
375 00:38:26.600 ⇒ 00:38:27.210 Pranav: Yep.
376 00:39:55.100 ⇒ 00:39:58.079 Pranav: Okay, cool. We’ll see if he gets back to us.
377 00:40:03.380 ⇒ 00:40:07.979 Uttam Kumaran: Okay, cool, and then, I mean, is… so, is this Klaviyo thing is working right now?
378 00:40:08.780 ⇒ 00:40:13.839 Pranav: Yeah, let me find the… the prompt that will, like…
379 00:40:15.410 ⇒ 00:40:18.640 Pranav: you know, trigger it. I think Sam has some.
380 00:40:25.970 ⇒ 00:40:30.839 Uttam Kumaran: So then, yeah, okay, then the… maybe the goal for today is I just… we just want to get sign-off on, like.
381 00:40:31.090 ⇒ 00:40:33.859 Uttam Kumaran: Okay, are we… are we basically…
382 00:40:35.640 ⇒ 00:40:39.749 Uttam Kumaran: Matching the… what was in previous, and is there anything else we want to take?
383 00:40:41.720 ⇒ 00:40:47.199 Uttam Kumaran: I mean, what I’d like to maybe talk about is just, like, okay, what is our plan for the next…
384 00:40:47.510 ⇒ 00:40:51.530 Uttam Kumaran: Two weeks, like, what features… what features do we want to prioritize?
385 00:40:54.260 ⇒ 00:40:54.870 Uttam Kumaran: Oh.
386 00:40:54.870 ⇒ 00:40:59.090 Pranav: Yeah, and… Do you think it makes sense to show, like…
387 00:40:59.310 ⇒ 00:41:02.990 Pranav: the Gantt chart for, like, how we’ve already thought about it, or…
388 00:41:02.990 ⇒ 00:41:04.340 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
389 00:41:04.410 ⇒ 00:41:07.900 Pranav: Yeah, as much as possible, I’ll probably let you drive.
390 00:41:08.220 ⇒ 00:41:10.790 Uttam Kumaran: So I think if you wanna… if you wanna…
391 00:41:11.040 ⇒ 00:41:16.220 Uttam Kumaran: walk through this, show the Gantt chart. I did note down…
392 00:41:16.430 ⇒ 00:41:22.879 Uttam Kumaran: couple of the pieces, like, I… I did note down the URL, ad brand, functionality, prompt management.
393 00:41:23.350 ⇒ 00:41:26.789 Uttam Kumaran: And the settings, and then…
394 00:41:26.900 ⇒ 00:41:31.099 Uttam Kumaran: I’ll let you just try to drive and get clarity from them on, like, what’s next.
395 00:41:31.240 ⇒ 00:41:32.390 Uttam Kumaran: So…
396 00:41:32.510 ⇒ 00:41:39.789 Uttam Kumaran: I added… I just created… I added one slide to the deck, so, like, there’s at least a list somewhere. You don’t feel free to use it or not, but that’s…
397 00:41:40.660 ⇒ 00:41:41.729 Uttam Kumaran: It’s there.
398 00:41:42.750 ⇒ 00:41:46.139 Pranav: Okay, cool. Alright, I have to open up…
399 00:41:47.090 ⇒ 00:41:47.950 Uttam Kumaran: Oh, yeah.
400 00:41:47.950 ⇒ 00:41:54.249 Pranav: It’s… I actually tried literally everything, like, removing the cookies, like…
401 00:41:54.250 ⇒ 00:41:55.800 Uttam Kumaran: Okay.
402 00:41:56.130 ⇒ 00:42:02.980 Pranav: going, like, I don’t know. Yeah, but basically, I’ve found a solution to just be, like, open up, like, a different type of browser. I was just trying,
403 00:42:03.900 ⇒ 00:42:04.530 Pranav: GBTA.
404 00:42:04.530 ⇒ 00:42:06.920 Uttam Kumaran: I wish they had a… I wish they had a desktop app.
405 00:42:07.080 ⇒ 00:42:09.439 Uttam Kumaran: Maybe you got a vibe to, like, a viewer.
406 00:42:10.080 ⇒ 00:42:15.309 Pranav: I know, that would be… that would be insane if I had… if it came to that.
407 00:42:19.490 ⇒ 00:42:25.299 Pranav: But, okay, yeah, I’ll get this up, and then, we can… We can go over it.
408 00:42:26.010 ⇒ 00:42:26.770 Uttam Kumaran: Okay, cool.
409 00:42:27.110 ⇒ 00:42:31.259 Uttam Kumaran: Alright, I’m gonna go grab a quick coffee then, but I’ll be on there in a few minutes.
410 00:42:31.670 ⇒ 00:42:32.789 Pranav: Cool, cool. Alright, see you there.
411 00:42:32.790 ⇒ 00:42:34.500 Uttam Kumaran: Okay. Alright, thank you guys.
412 00:42:34.850 ⇒ 00:42:35.610 Pranav: See you guys.
413 00:42:37.150 ⇒ 00:42:37.910 Casie Aviles: Thank you.