Meeting Title: Brainforge HubSpot Dashboard Sync Date: 2025-11-12 Meeting participants: Hannah Wang, Holly Condos
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1 00:00:13.770 ⇒ 00:00:14.900 Hannah Wang: Hello.
2 00:00:15.090 ⇒ 00:00:16.129 Holly Condos: How are you?
3 00:00:16.690 ⇒ 00:00:17.860 Hannah Wang: Good, how are you?
4 00:00:18.360 ⇒ 00:00:19.930 Holly Condos: Are you overwhelmed?
5 00:00:21.340 ⇒ 00:00:24.480 Hannah Wang: I feel like I’m overwhelmed every week, kind of.
6 00:00:24.480 ⇒ 00:00:27.800 Holly Condos: Well, but, okay, so this is part of what I want to talk to you about, is…
7 00:00:27.800 ⇒ 00:00:28.430 Hannah Wang: Sure.
8 00:00:28.430 ⇒ 00:00:36.520 Holly Condos: Just getting a little bit more structured on taking things off your plate.
9 00:00:36.520 ⇒ 00:00:37.140 Hannah Wang: But…
10 00:00:37.950 ⇒ 00:00:39.820 Holly Condos: I guess…
11 00:00:40.490 ⇒ 00:00:46.199 Holly Condos: I hope Utam’s not upset about HubSpot, but I don’t think I ever said I was an expert.
12 00:00:46.770 ⇒ 00:00:54.470 Hannah Wang: No, I don’t, I don’t think… well, what, I guess, sequence of messages are you referring to, for hooks?
13 00:00:54.470 ⇒ 00:01:00.979 Holly Condos: So Well, with regard to what I just said.
14 00:01:01.270 ⇒ 00:01:03.439 Hannah Wang: Like, him being potentially a…
15 00:01:03.440 ⇒ 00:01:07.149 Holly Condos: Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. So, it was in the go-to-market
16 00:01:08.010 ⇒ 00:01:15.350 Holly Condos: And he, I, Ryan said, hey, I addressed you guys’ feedback to you and me.
17 00:01:15.350 ⇒ 00:01:16.739 Hannah Wang: Oh, I mean…
18 00:01:16.740 ⇒ 00:01:22.439 Holly Condos: a separate view for events, partner, source, leads, let me know what to address next. And then I said.
19 00:01:23.040 ⇒ 00:01:25.509 Holly Condos: Do we have a partner dashboard?
20 00:01:26.560 ⇒ 00:01:30.219 Holly Condos: Or tab to track all partner activity status.
21 00:01:32.200 ⇒ 00:01:36.150 Holly Condos: And, you know, there was a little bit of back and forth, and then Utam said.
22 00:01:38.370 ⇒ 00:01:39.540 Hannah Wang: Oh, I see.
23 00:01:39.700 ⇒ 00:01:45.769 Holly Condos: Do you see it? This is not Ryan’s thing, and I was like, oh, okay, I didn’t know that.
24 00:01:46.150 ⇒ 00:01:47.400 Holly Condos: I had no idea.
25 00:01:47.540 ⇒ 00:01:58.660 Hannah Wang: That’s okay, I don’t think he’s upset, because it was originally supposed to be Ryan who’s doing a lot of the HubSpot. Yeah, that’s what I thought. Yeah, but then…
26 00:01:58.760 ⇒ 00:02:06.289 Hannah Wang: I know he messaged you, Joseph, Joe, and I, about one of us taking it.
27 00:02:06.290 ⇒ 00:02:06.680 Holly Condos: Right.
28 00:02:06.680 ⇒ 00:02:07.160 Hannah Wang: Right.
29 00:02:07.160 ⇒ 00:02:10.719 Holly Condos: Right, and he said the dashboard is basically unusable still.
30 00:02:11.350 ⇒ 00:02:14.879 Holly Condos: doesn’t have clear alignment. Well, yeah, we knew that.
31 00:02:15.040 ⇒ 00:02:18.850 Hannah Wang: Yeah, that’s okay, I don’t think he’s upset at anyone.
32 00:02:18.850 ⇒ 00:02:21.040 Holly Condos: I mean, I apologize just to him.
33 00:02:22.020 ⇒ 00:02:24.300 Holly Condos: Like, in, you know, just to him.
34 00:02:24.300 ⇒ 00:02:25.390 Hannah Wang: Okay, yeah.
35 00:02:25.630 ⇒ 00:02:27.240 Holly Condos: But he seemed okay, so…
36 00:02:27.240 ⇒ 00:02:32.069 Hannah Wang: Yeah, I think… Yeah, it’s… I think it’s okay. Okay.
37 00:02:32.130 ⇒ 00:02:43.660 Hannah Wang: Because originally, yeah, he was supposed to… we previously had a sales coordinator, who’s not with us anymore, but, yeah, she kind of started all the HubSpot stuff, and she was kind of the
38 00:02:43.660 ⇒ 00:02:54.309 Hannah Wang: the one in charge, and then I think after she left, Brian and I kind of backfilled whatever she was doing. So, yeah, Ryan ended up doing a lot of the HubSpot dashboarding stuff.
39 00:02:54.310 ⇒ 00:02:54.800 Holly Condos: Gotcha.
40 00:02:54.940 ⇒ 00:02:59.820 Hannah Wang: But I feel like maybe… yeah, it’s just harder for him because…
41 00:03:00.440 ⇒ 00:03:03.190 Hannah Wang: You know, everyone has different skill sets and stuff, so…
42 00:03:03.190 ⇒ 00:03:08.240 Holly Condos: Right, right, right, right. Okay, that’s fine. So, so what I was driving at.
43 00:03:10.530 ⇒ 00:03:19.829 Holly Condos: was being able to… and I think we kind of talked about this a little bit, but just to kind of nail… nail it. Sure. What… what I’m doing…
44 00:03:19.960 ⇒ 00:03:28.420 Holly Condos: is… well, two things. I’m going through the whole partnership, channel.
45 00:03:28.510 ⇒ 00:03:30.660 Hannah Wang: And making notes.
46 00:03:30.880 ⇒ 00:03:31.450 Hannah Wang: Right.
47 00:03:31.740 ⇒ 00:03:37.139 Holly Condos: And then… and there’s some old stuff in there, right? Like, before I came, obviously.
48 00:03:38.210 ⇒ 00:03:43.210 Holly Condos: So, my question is, so, for instance, let me just find out…
49 00:03:50.170 ⇒ 00:04:00.130 Holly Condos: I started making notes, let’s see… Yeah, so, like, Robert…
50 00:04:00.370 ⇒ 00:04:06.159 Holly Condos: had a discussion with you and Utam about tiers, Tier 1, Tier 2, Tier 3.
51 00:04:07.010 ⇒ 00:04:17.919 Holly Condos: the type of partner. So, question right there, do we want to align that tier structure with our go-to-market structure, or was this just a discussion.
52 00:04:18.390 ⇒ 00:04:22.480 Hannah Wang: Some time ago, that… We don’t need to track.
53 00:04:22.850 ⇒ 00:04:24.600 Hannah Wang: Right, so…
54 00:04:24.920 ⇒ 00:04:26.760 Holly Condos: Or do you want me to ask Robert?
55 00:04:27.450 ⇒ 00:04:29.850 Hannah Wang: I…
56 00:04:30.170 ⇒ 00:04:41.740 Hannah Wang: I think it’s okay, like, I think the tier stuff is kind of… remember a while ago when we were on… let me share my screen, we were on this…
57 00:04:41.820 ⇒ 00:04:58.760 Hannah Wang: Google Sheet, and then we started talking about, like, oh, confidence, hype, and stuff. I think that’s basically analogous to, like, the tiers. It’s just some way for us to track, like, oh, is this partner worth pursuing? And if so, like, why? Okay.
58 00:04:58.760 ⇒ 00:05:02.459 Holly Condos: Okay, so then that’s fine. That segues into my next question.
59 00:05:03.540 ⇒ 00:05:11.610 Holly Condos: What I’m looking for, and I think the answer is, it’s that spreadsheet, the partner, Google…
60 00:05:11.870 ⇒ 00:05:12.510 Hannah Wang: Right.
61 00:05:12.510 ⇒ 00:05:13.310 Holly Condos: spreadsheet.
62 00:05:13.310 ⇒ 00:05:14.010 Hannah Wang: Yeah.
63 00:05:14.920 ⇒ 00:05:19.500 Holly Condos: And not so much HubSpot, right?
64 00:05:20.250 ⇒ 00:05:24.770 Hannah Wang: Yeah, oh, I think we’re trying to move to HubSpot, so…
65 00:05:24.770 ⇒ 00:05:33.429 Holly Condos: Maybe that’s what we talked to Joseph about, is that we want to take this Google spread and translate it into HubSpot.
66 00:05:33.730 ⇒ 00:05:36.310 Hannah Wang: Which I think Ryan already…
67 00:05:36.610 ⇒ 00:05:37.180 Holly Condos: Okay.
68 00:05:37.180 ⇒ 00:05:48.410 Hannah Wang: Let me log into HubSpot real quick. So, I guess a little bit of backstory. Before the Google Sheet and before HubSpot, everything was in Notion.
69 00:05:48.410 ⇒ 00:05:49.370 Holly Condos: No, no.
70 00:05:49.370 ⇒ 00:05:54.440 Hannah Wang: you’ve looked at that, page before, I feel like maybe I sent you…
71 00:05:54.440 ⇒ 00:05:59.530 Holly Condos: Yeah, I think so. I haven’t this afternoon, but I have looked at it before, yes.
72 00:05:59.860 ⇒ 00:06:01.280 Hannah Wang: So, that…
73 00:06:01.410 ⇒ 00:06:09.309 Hannah Wang: Was there, and then… and then somewhere along the way, there was this discussion about, okay, there’s too many partners, we need to double down on some and kind of ignore
74 00:06:10.040 ⇒ 00:06:28.590 Hannah Wang: So that’s kind of where I feel like… it’s not this one… this sheet came about. It’s like, okay, we’re gonna move off of Notion and, like, track it in here, and then somewhere along the way, we’re like, alright, let’s use HubSpot for everything. So that’s why there’s a note here, like, we moved everything to HubSpot, so I don’t…
75 00:06:28.590 ⇒ 00:06:28.990 Holly Condos: Right.
76 00:06:28.990 ⇒ 00:06:36.040 Hannah Wang: update this, like, I haven’t updated it in a while, and so… And that’s… and that’s okay, that’s what I’m asking, so…
77 00:06:36.170 ⇒ 00:06:40.250 Holly Condos: I mean, obviously, some of the old stuff, I’m not gonna know until…
78 00:06:40.250 ⇒ 00:06:40.720 Hannah Wang: Totally.
79 00:06:40.720 ⇒ 00:06:42.440 Holly Condos: Either ask or dig.
80 00:06:42.440 ⇒ 00:06:44.329 Hannah Wang: Right. But some of the newer stuff.
81 00:06:44.780 ⇒ 00:06:52.550 Holly Condos: Right? Like, I want to try to… I want to take this off your plate, like Telisma, like, fresh paint, like, contextual.
82 00:06:52.790 ⇒ 00:06:59.110 Holly Condos: So, I want to make sure that I’m updating in the right place.
83 00:06:59.110 ⇒ 00:06:59.810 Hannah Wang: Yes.
84 00:06:59.940 ⇒ 00:07:08.990 Hannah Wang: Yeah, so HubSpot is gonna be your friend. I know it’s… I… I’m also, like, I don’t know how to use HubSpot that well, but,
85 00:07:09.290 ⇒ 00:07:15.700 Hannah Wang: yeah, this, like, where Ryan… I think Ryan showed you a screenshot, it’s BF Part… partnership.
86 00:07:16.030 ⇒ 00:07:17.250 Hannah Wang: at the weigh-in.
87 00:07:17.250 ⇒ 00:07:17.820 Holly Condos: Yeah.
88 00:07:17.820 ⇒ 00:07:36.950 Hannah Wang: I think what Ryan did was import… and Ryan slash, like, previous sale coordinators, they imported everything that we had in Notion to this. Okay. And then we also added in, like, oh, the confidence score, and the hype score, and all the stuff that’s in this spreadsheet.
89 00:07:37.570 ⇒ 00:07:39.689 Hannah Wang: I told Ryan, like, move everything over to.
90 00:07:39.690 ⇒ 00:07:42.450 Holly Condos: Okay, okay, so that’s good, so he did that.
91 00:07:42.450 ⇒ 00:07:43.090 Hannah Wang: Yes.
92 00:07:43.380 ⇒ 00:07:46.179 Holly Condos: They don’t actually need Joe to do.
93 00:07:46.490 ⇒ 00:07:49.200 Hannah Wang: anything then. What we need Joe to do.
94 00:07:49.250 ⇒ 00:07:54.890 Holly Condos: is… Create or figure out.
95 00:07:54.940 ⇒ 00:07:56.500 Hannah Wang: the formula…
96 00:07:56.500 ⇒ 00:08:04.230 Holly Condos: To determine what revenue Is partner originated, or influenced, initiated.
97 00:08:04.400 ⇒ 00:08:05.440 Holly Condos: Right?
98 00:08:05.440 ⇒ 00:08:07.980 Hannah Wang: Yeah, let me see the…
99 00:08:07.980 ⇒ 00:08:11.449 Holly Condos: Because that’s the screenshot that Utam wasn’t happy with.
100 00:08:12.190 ⇒ 00:08:29.129 Hannah Wang: I think UTAM is just… I think this, maybe… this entire dashboard just needs to be spruced up in a way that is, like, benefit… because I think Ryan doesn’t know, like, oh, what… what widgets is going to be helpful for the partnerships and, like, for…
101 00:08:29.130 ⇒ 00:08:29.540 Holly Condos: Fair.
102 00:08:29.540 ⇒ 00:08:43.010 Hannah Wang: the leads and stuff, so I think it’s just maybe going through each of these little widgets and being like, okay, is this helpful for sales and for partnerships? If not, like, why? And let’s clean it up a little bit. Okay. Because I feel like.
103 00:08:43.010 ⇒ 00:08:44.700 Holly Condos: I can talk to Joseph about that later.
104 00:08:44.700 ⇒ 00:08:57.549 Hannah Wang: Totally. Yeah, it’s, like, kind of there, but yeah, like… and some of these, some of these widgets, like UTAM… I know Utom asked Ryan to create, so…
105 00:08:58.030 ⇒ 00:09:06.360 Hannah Wang: yeah, I… I haven’t been closely following everything, because it’s just been, like, between Utam and Ryan, back and forth a lot.
106 00:09:07.310 ⇒ 00:09:11.869 Hannah Wang: But yeah, maybe… I feel like Utam trusts our judgment.
107 00:09:11.870 ⇒ 00:09:12.200 Holly Condos: Yeah.
108 00:09:12.200 ⇒ 00:09:17.109 Hannah Wang: Or as in you, me, and Joe, be like, okay, what… Widget is actually…
109 00:09:17.410 ⇒ 00:09:19.550 Holly Condos: Gotcha. Yeah, gotcha.
110 00:09:19.550 ⇒ 00:09:24.219 Hannah Wang: So, we’ll talk with him at 3.30 about that. Great.
111 00:09:24.220 ⇒ 00:09:30.330 Holly Condos: Great. But then should I… should I start… Using this for updates.
112 00:09:30.500 ⇒ 00:09:31.810 Hannah Wang: Yes, yep.
113 00:09:32.000 ⇒ 00:09:36.180 Holly Condos: Okay, is there… can you go all the way over? So I see Origin Story…
114 00:09:36.480 ⇒ 00:09:43.170 Holly Condos: Hype score, partnership last… oh, partnership last action? Next step. Okay, great.
115 00:09:43.170 ⇒ 00:09:43.590 Hannah Wang: Great.
116 00:09:43.590 ⇒ 00:09:44.849 Holly Condos: So that’s good.
117 00:09:44.850 ⇒ 00:09:45.500 Hannah Wang: Yeah.
118 00:09:45.890 ⇒ 00:09:48.050 Holly Condos: Okay, so I can update that.
119 00:09:48.310 ⇒ 00:09:53.880 Hannah Wang: Yes. And get a little closer with the notes, yeah, okay, this is fine. I can do all that.
120 00:09:54.020 ⇒ 00:09:57.500 Hannah Wang: Yeah, I… I think I kind of updated here and there.
121 00:09:57.500 ⇒ 00:10:04.420 Holly Condos: It looks like you did, pretty much, but… and I’m not going back, I’m… Trying to say going forward.
122 00:10:04.420 ⇒ 00:10:05.150 Hannah Wang: Totally.
123 00:10:05.150 ⇒ 00:10:07.270 Holly Condos: You know, try to get this off of you.
124 00:10:08.180 ⇒ 00:10:13.630 Holly Condos: At least you not having to own it. I mean, I think, as we discussed, we’ll work together.
125 00:10:13.630 ⇒ 00:10:14.170 Hannah Wang: Yep.
126 00:10:14.170 ⇒ 00:10:18.399 Holly Condos: Right? I’m not… I’m not… not taking anything away, I’m just trying to help.
127 00:10:18.770 ⇒ 00:10:21.770 Hannah Wang: I… I don’t mind if you take it away.
128 00:10:21.770 ⇒ 00:10:26.070 Holly Condos: Okay, okay, I’m sensitive to that, though. I don’t want you to be like, what is she doing?
129 00:10:26.070 ⇒ 00:10:31.049 Hannah Wang: No, no, I… I appreciate all your help, like, honestly, yeah.
130 00:10:31.050 ⇒ 00:10:31.710 Holly Condos: Okay.
131 00:10:31.710 ⇒ 00:10:47.540 Hannah Wang: And I know a bit of, like, my ultimate goal, career-wise and stuff, so I know you understand that, too, so I think that’s why I’m more, like, if I can focus on, like, my photo stuff, too, that’s, like, you know, what I like to do.
132 00:10:47.540 ⇒ 00:10:51.030 Holly Condos: And it would make your day funner and Right?
133 00:10:51.300 ⇒ 00:10:56.379 Hannah Wang: Yeah, I mean, I still work, at Brainforge, like, 30 hours a week.
134 00:10:56.380 ⇒ 00:10:56.780 Holly Condos: Hmm.
135 00:10:56.780 ⇒ 00:11:02.979 Hannah Wang: I’m not… like, my husband and I recently bought a house as well, and so I don’.
136 00:11:02.980 ⇒ 00:11:03.470 Holly Condos: Yay.
137 00:11:03.470 ⇒ 00:11:06.879 Hannah Wang: if I feel a little bit of that, like, financial pressure.
138 00:11:06.880 ⇒ 00:11:07.200 Holly Condos: Of course.
139 00:11:07.200 ⇒ 00:11:15.400 Hannah Wang: keep pushing Brainforge, but because right now, like, I’m not at a place where my photo business is driving enough, like, revenue.
140 00:11:15.400 ⇒ 00:11:15.940 Holly Condos: Yeah.
141 00:11:16.640 ⇒ 00:11:19.220 Holly Condos: I’m with you. I’m with you. Where’d you get a house?
142 00:11:19.230 ⇒ 00:11:25.459 Hannah Wang: In Baldwin Hills area, near,
143 00:11:26.500 ⇒ 00:11:30.559 Hannah Wang: Kenneth Hahn Park? Like, near La Cienega, La Brea.
144 00:11:30.560 ⇒ 00:11:32.190 Holly Condos: Oh, okay, okay, yeah.
145 00:11:32.960 ⇒ 00:11:34.619 Holly Condos: Nice. Yeah, so…
146 00:11:34.740 ⇒ 00:11:41.569 Hannah Wang: Yeah, we’re not in it right now, we’re still… we have to… it’s a fixer-upper, so we’re doing a lot of renovations and repairs.
147 00:11:41.570 ⇒ 00:11:44.129 Holly Condos: That’s exciting, but then that’s a whole nother…
148 00:11:45.420 ⇒ 00:11:49.070 Hannah Wang: chunk of hours. Are you guys managing the reno?
149 00:11:49.090 ⇒ 00:12:04.870 Hannah Wang: No, we have a GC, a general contractor, and my in-laws are very helpful. They also… they like to flip homes and have property and stuff, so they’ve been super helpful with it. My husband is mainly the one, kind of, doing that, because he knows I’m…
150 00:12:04.870 ⇒ 00:12:09.199 Hannah Wang: trying to do other stuff, and I appreciate his help with that. But it’s cool.
151 00:12:09.200 ⇒ 00:12:12.870 Holly Condos: Yeah, that you don’t have to… Give too much focus.
152 00:12:12.870 ⇒ 00:12:23.889 Hannah Wang: Yeah, but such is life, you know? Like, I’m sure if we have kids one day, like, yeah, I don’t know how you managed, you know, like, working and, like, raising your two… two sons.
153 00:12:23.890 ⇒ 00:12:30.519 Holly Condos: It was really hard, and I mean, we could, you know, when we meet, we could probably talk about it more.
154 00:12:30.520 ⇒ 00:12:30.920 Hannah Wang: Sure.
155 00:12:30.920 ⇒ 00:12:40.590 Holly Condos: There… when my kids were young, there was no… well, the internet came about when they were probably… 5…
156 00:12:41.690 ⇒ 00:12:45.349 Holly Condos: Right? But, like, before they were born.
157 00:12:45.520 ⇒ 00:12:47.830 Holly Condos: Like, I couldn’t look up stuff about.
158 00:12:47.830 ⇒ 00:12:48.260 Hannah Wang: Yeah.
159 00:12:48.260 ⇒ 00:12:53.019 Holly Condos: You know, what happens if… You don’t breast… if you don’t nurse.
160 00:12:53.020 ⇒ 00:12:53.440 Hannah Wang: Right.
161 00:12:53.440 ⇒ 00:13:02.660 Holly Condos: You know, what happens if they won’t stop crying, or… And I didn’t have my mom, because she passed away, unfortunately, when I was
162 00:13:02.940 ⇒ 00:13:09.350 Holly Condos: younger. And… I don’t know, it just would have been great to have the internet.
163 00:13:09.350 ⇒ 00:13:10.420 Hannah Wang: Totally, totally.
164 00:13:10.420 ⇒ 00:13:13.610 Holly Condos: And then my husband,
165 00:13:13.810 ⇒ 00:13:19.179 Holly Condos: was… I mean, he has evolved over time, but he was kind of the traditional.
166 00:13:19.180 ⇒ 00:13:19.810 Hannah Wang: Hmm,
167 00:13:19.810 ⇒ 00:13:23.020 Holly Condos: You know, my schedule’s more important than yours.
168 00:13:23.020 ⇒ 00:13:23.690 Hannah Wang: and…
169 00:13:23.690 ⇒ 00:13:26.769 Holly Condos: It was kind of difficult for us at the beginning, because
170 00:13:26.900 ⇒ 00:13:34.879 Holly Condos: like, I was dropping the first one off at daycare, driving downtown to San Diego, because we lived in North County.
171 00:13:35.760 ⇒ 00:13:39.700 Holly Condos: And then racing back to pick up the baby.
172 00:13:39.700 ⇒ 00:13:40.300 Hannah Wang: Rah.
173 00:13:40.300 ⇒ 00:13:43.729 Holly Condos: nurse the baby, right? Like, it was really hard for.
174 00:13:43.730 ⇒ 00:13:44.210 Hannah Wang: Yeah.
175 00:13:45.480 ⇒ 00:13:50.339 Holly Condos: So, to the extent that you can have help or not work full-time.
176 00:13:50.340 ⇒ 00:13:50.960 Hannah Wang: Yeah.
177 00:13:50.960 ⇒ 00:13:55.539 Holly Condos: not have to… you know, I think remote is a real godsend for women.
178 00:13:55.540 ⇒ 00:13:56.140 Hannah Wang: Totally.
179 00:13:56.140 ⇒ 00:13:57.330 Holly Condos: Parents?
180 00:13:57.330 ⇒ 00:13:57.960 Hannah Wang: Yep.
181 00:13:57.960 ⇒ 00:14:02.449 Holly Condos: Right? Because if, again, if I had all the time I spent on the road back.
182 00:14:02.450 ⇒ 00:14:03.550 Hannah Wang: Yeah…
183 00:14:03.550 ⇒ 00:14:06.280 Holly Condos: It would have been better.
184 00:14:06.280 ⇒ 00:14:06.760 Hannah Wang: Yeah.
185 00:14:06.760 ⇒ 00:14:10.649 Holly Condos: I was probably on the road every day for, I don’t know, 3 hours?
186 00:14:10.650 ⇒ 00:14:11.280 Hannah Wang: Oh my goodness.
187 00:14:11.280 ⇒ 00:14:12.030 Holly Condos: Surviving?
188 00:14:12.030 ⇒ 00:14:12.910 Hannah Wang: Yeah.
189 00:14:13.540 ⇒ 00:14:15.260 Holly Condos: So, yeah, it was…
190 00:14:15.320 ⇒ 00:14:20.570 Hannah Wang: And not to complain, but it was tough. Valid, it’s valid, yeah. Yeah.
191 00:14:20.860 ⇒ 00:14:23.269 Holly Condos: And I didn’t not, you know, I…
192 00:14:23.430 ⇒ 00:14:31.449 Holly Condos: my husband and I had talked before we got married that we wanted to have kids, but that we were both going to have our careers.
193 00:14:32.810 ⇒ 00:14:41.429 Holly Condos: Right? And, I did interview some nannies when my older son was, like, 1, or not even, probably 6 months.
194 00:14:41.430 ⇒ 00:14:41.950 Hannah Wang: Yeah.
195 00:14:42.500 ⇒ 00:14:53.720 Holly Condos: But again, at the time, and I probably could have spent more time and probably could have found somebody, but the girls that I was interviewing, they were… they were basically in college.
196 00:14:53.720 ⇒ 00:14:54.420 Hannah Wang: Hmm.
197 00:14:54.420 ⇒ 00:15:00.100 Holly Condos: And, you know, they… they wanted a part-time thing, which was fine.
198 00:15:00.100 ⇒ 00:15:00.860 Hannah Wang: Right.
199 00:15:01.020 ⇒ 00:15:05.779 Holly Condos: But I just thought to myself, well, is this really fair to my kid? Like.
200 00:15:06.000 ⇒ 00:15:06.389 Hannah Wang: The art.
201 00:15:06.390 ⇒ 00:15:07.939 Holly Condos: sees his father.
202 00:15:07.940 ⇒ 00:15:08.380 Hannah Wang: Yeah.
203 00:15:08.380 ⇒ 00:15:12.000 Holly Condos: He doesn’t see me that much, because we’re both at work all day, and then…
204 00:15:12.110 ⇒ 00:15:17.750 Holly Condos: we’re gonna, like… because I was gonna go to… I was in law school when I had my first kid.
205 00:15:17.750 ⇒ 00:15:18.580 Hannah Wang: Wow.
206 00:15:18.580 ⇒ 00:15:24.469 Holly Condos: And I was gonna go back, but then I thought, well, the poor child’s gonna be in daycare and with this 20-year-old.
207 00:15:24.790 ⇒ 00:15:28.460 Holly Condos: And hardly ever see us. And I just felt really guilty, like, this is.
208 00:15:29.060 ⇒ 00:15:34.769 Holly Condos: So, we didn’t end up getting a nanny, but then when we lived in London, we had one, and she was amazing.
209 00:15:34.770 ⇒ 00:15:35.430 Hannah Wang: Hmm.
210 00:15:35.430 ⇒ 00:15:42.800 Holly Condos: And she was a giant help. So, to the extent… let me just fast forward here. To the extent that you have relatives that can help you.
211 00:15:42.800 ⇒ 00:15:43.690 Hannah Wang: Totally, yeah.
212 00:15:43.690 ⇒ 00:15:45.000 Holly Condos: It’s golden.
213 00:15:45.000 ⇒ 00:15:45.820 Hannah Wang: Yeah.
214 00:15:46.630 ⇒ 00:15:51.420 Holly Condos: That’s the only way to do it. Remote, remote work, and rallies.
215 00:15:52.910 ⇒ 00:16:03.429 Hannah Wang: Oh, obviously that’s a huge luxury, you know, like, having… because my… my parents are… they live in Orange County, so they’re… they’re nearby, and…
216 00:16:03.920 ⇒ 00:16:05.300 Hannah Wang: Yeah, it’s
217 00:16:05.560 ⇒ 00:16:11.460 Hannah Wang: Yeah, even… well, I feel like we’re done discussing work stuff, so maybe I can stop recording so it stops recording.
218 00:16:12.030 ⇒ 00:16:14.779 Hannah Wang: conversation, but…