Meeting Title: Sprint Review: AI Team Date: 2025-10-17 Meeting participants: Casie Aviles, Samuel Roberts, Rico Rejoso, Mustafa Raja, Uttam Kumaran
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1 00:00:11.120 ⇒ 00:00:12.590 Casie Aviles: Hey, hey, son.
2 00:00:13.120 ⇒ 00:00:14.850 Samuel Roberts: Hey, Casey, how are you?
3 00:00:15.800 ⇒ 00:00:16.910 Casie Aviles: Yeah, doing good.
4 00:00:17.680 ⇒ 00:00:18.550 Samuel Roberts: Thank you.
5 00:00:19.510 ⇒ 00:00:20.790 Samuel Roberts: That was yesterday.
6 00:00:22.250 ⇒ 00:00:25.249 Casie Aviles: Yeah, I think it was productive.
7 00:00:29.370 ⇒ 00:00:30.190 Samuel Roberts: See?
8 00:00:31.140 ⇒ 00:00:34.110 Samuel Roberts: Okay, what did you just say? Running 3 minutes late. Okay, cool.
9 00:00:41.940 ⇒ 00:00:42.660 Mustafa Raja: Hang.
10 00:00:43.660 ⇒ 00:00:46.569 Samuel Roberts: Morning. Morning, Stoppa. There you go.
11 00:00:47.320 ⇒ 00:00:48.140 Mustafa Raja: How are you?
12 00:00:48.730 ⇒ 00:00:50.930 Samuel Roberts: Doing alright, doing alright, a little…
13 00:00:51.030 ⇒ 00:00:54.639 Samuel Roberts: a little hectic with the baby and stuff, but… Wow.
14 00:00:55.130 ⇒ 00:00:58.679 Samuel Roberts: It’s, it’s not bad, it’s just… it’s just hectic.
15 00:00:58.680 ⇒ 00:01:01.900 Mustafa Raja: How old… how old is the baby now?
16 00:01:02.220 ⇒ 00:01:04.459 Samuel Roberts: He is almost 4 months.
17 00:01:04.700 ⇒ 00:01:06.239 Mustafa Raja: Oh, that’s nice, that’s nice.
18 00:01:06.240 ⇒ 00:01:10.079 Samuel Roberts: Yeah, so he’s… he’s… he’s doing alright, he’s getting bigger, you know?
19 00:01:10.520 ⇒ 00:01:12.530 Mustafa Raja: Yeah, BB’s, babies did go quick.
20 00:01:13.050 ⇒ 00:01:17.410 Samuel Roberts: It’s crazy. I mean, everyone says it, but then you see it, and you’re like, oh wow, yeah.
21 00:01:17.510 ⇒ 00:01:19.490 Samuel Roberts: He looks different, bigger every day.
22 00:01:24.170 ⇒ 00:01:25.439 Samuel Roberts: How you doing, Rico?
23 00:01:27.030 ⇒ 00:01:30.310 Rico Rejoso: Hey guys, morning. Good, so far.
24 00:01:30.430 ⇒ 00:01:31.260 Rico Rejoso: Spending the week.
25 00:01:31.260 ⇒ 00:01:32.070 Samuel Roberts: again.
26 00:01:33.010 ⇒ 00:01:34.150 Samuel Roberts: Yeah…
27 00:01:36.280 ⇒ 00:01:38.610 Rico Rejoso: Good news for Mustafi, finally got
28 00:01:39.190 ⇒ 00:01:44.119 Rico Rejoso: I mean, I finally found out how Omni works yesterday.
29 00:01:44.400 ⇒ 00:01:45.440 Samuel Roberts: Oh, nice.
30 00:01:47.110 ⇒ 00:01:48.119 Rico Rejoso: Took me a while.
31 00:01:48.660 ⇒ 00:01:49.450 Samuel Roberts: Yeah.
32 00:01:49.640 ⇒ 00:01:50.430 Samuel Roberts: Cheese.
33 00:01:53.290 ⇒ 00:01:59.030 Samuel Roberts: Yeah, I played a little around… I was playing around with it a little bit, just the demo data in Omni with their AI
34 00:01:59.340 ⇒ 00:02:02.879 Samuel Roberts: Assistant tool to demo to a potential client.
35 00:02:03.140 ⇒ 00:02:03.810 Mustafa Raja: Hmm.
36 00:02:04.050 ⇒ 00:02:08.960 Samuel Roberts: It’s very good. If the data is modeled well, it can do all kinds of stuff.
37 00:02:10.410 ⇒ 00:02:16.039 Samuel Roberts: It was really fun to play with, actually, because it was exactly what I’d want if I had, you know, something that knew my data schema and everything.
38 00:02:17.220 ⇒ 00:02:21.469 Rico Rejoso: I guess for me, I was trying to understand what the other properties were, like.
39 00:02:21.880 ⇒ 00:02:28.260 Rico Rejoso: Because I… I’m quite familiar with it, since it’s in… operating or clockify, but…
40 00:02:28.260 ⇒ 00:02:29.080 Samuel Roberts: Oh, yeah.
41 00:02:29.080 ⇒ 00:02:36.659 Rico Rejoso: But I think I, you know, I haven’t gone through it that much, so I tested each yesterday and was able to get them.
42 00:02:36.790 ⇒ 00:02:38.490 Rico Rejoso: To manage it accordingly.
43 00:02:38.640 ⇒ 00:02:40.940 Rico Rejoso: And come up with a dashboard that we need.
44 00:02:41.880 ⇒ 00:02:42.670 Samuel Roberts: Excellent.
45 00:02:44.860 ⇒ 00:02:46.819 Samuel Roberts: That’s good news. That’s good news.
46 00:02:47.170 ⇒ 00:02:50.509 Samuel Roberts: Oh, did I respond to the entire, like, explain?
47 00:02:50.860 ⇒ 00:02:53.950 Samuel Roberts: Yeah, I liked it. Okay, good, so he knows. Cool.
48 00:02:55.340 ⇒ 00:03:00.499 Samuel Roberts: So I guess before we start jumping in, when Utam gets here, I’m just wondering quick, how does everyone feel about this week?
49 00:03:05.490 ⇒ 00:03:10.740 Mustafa Raja: Yeah, I’ve been doing a lot of data stuff, alongside…
50 00:03:10.740 ⇒ 00:03:11.519 Samuel Roberts: Yeah, you haven’t.
51 00:03:11.520 ⇒ 00:03:17.029 Mustafa Raja: Default and insomnia, so that’s something new for me.
52 00:03:17.030 ⇒ 00:03:18.140 Samuel Roberts: How has that been?
53 00:03:18.360 ⇒ 00:03:20.470 Samuel Roberts: It’s been good.
54 00:03:20.470 ⇒ 00:03:27.290 Mustafa Raja: So, I’ve been, modeling the delivery, dashboards, data stuff.
55 00:03:27.630 ⇒ 00:03:34.190 Mustafa Raja: And I learned a lot of new stuff, regarding that,
56 00:03:34.760 ⇒ 00:03:47.079 Mustafa Raja: And yesterday, I suggested that we should include SKUs for our projects across different platforms, because we do not have any common identifiers.
57 00:03:48.590 ⇒ 00:03:49.920 Mustafa Raja: among those.
58 00:03:50.230 ⇒ 00:03:57.479 Mustafa Raja: So, yeah, I’m, I’m getting more and more, knowledge on this, the…
59 00:03:57.480 ⇒ 00:03:58.080 Samuel Roberts: Great.
60 00:03:58.080 ⇒ 00:04:00.040 Mustafa Raja: That stuff. That’s good.
61 00:04:00.690 ⇒ 00:04:01.300 Samuel Roberts: Yeah.
62 00:04:02.100 ⇒ 00:04:05.249 Mustafa Raja: Apart from that, there was the turbo buffer thing.
63 00:04:05.750 ⇒ 00:04:07.200 Samuel Roberts: Yeah.
64 00:04:08.150 ⇒ 00:04:10.189 Samuel Roberts: But it looks like it’s pretty, pretty good now.
65 00:04:10.190 ⇒ 00:04:10.770 Mustafa Raja: Yeah.
66 00:04:10.770 ⇒ 00:04:11.410 Samuel Roberts: on top of…
67 00:04:11.410 ⇒ 00:04:12.120 Mustafa Raja: Who knows?
68 00:04:12.120 ⇒ 00:04:12.860 Samuel Roberts: Yeah
69 00:04:13.000 ⇒ 00:04:17.429 Samuel Roberts: Yeah, I don’t worry too much about all the bugs, there’s gonna be bugs, that’s… it’s the inevitable part of…
70 00:04:17.920 ⇒ 00:04:26.200 Samuel Roberts: I’m doing this stuff, especially even with the AI assistance, you know? I feel like… I don’t want to say they add more bugs, but they don’t know everything, you know?
71 00:04:27.370 ⇒ 00:04:40.160 Samuel Roberts: And so, yeah, it’s just gotta, you know, we don’t have a lot of testing in place yet, but hopefully once we get some good testing someday. But you just gotta, yeah, gotta really find all those edge cases and stuff, which is hard to do sometimes.
72 00:04:41.040 ⇒ 00:04:42.480 Samuel Roberts: But good, good.
73 00:04:43.300 ⇒ 00:04:44.859 Samuel Roberts: Casey, how about you? How was your week?
74 00:04:46.270 ⇒ 00:04:54.490 Casie Aviles: Yeah, I think, almost similar to, like, you know, with Mustafa… As mentioned, but…
75 00:04:55.560 ⇒ 00:05:01.989 Casie Aviles: I haven’t been… to… I haven’t worked as much as Mustafa in data work, but…
76 00:05:02.150 ⇒ 00:05:08.170 Casie Aviles: I think, yeah, by the latter… Half of the week.
77 00:05:09.220 ⇒ 00:05:15.399 Casie Aviles: I’ve been, you know, I’ve… Taken a shot at, you know, doing data-related work.
78 00:05:15.830 ⇒ 00:05:21.719 Casie Aviles: And I think I did mention I was also new to it. But it’s nice, you know, just be able to…
79 00:05:22.910 ⇒ 00:05:25.510 Casie Aviles: You know, learn stuff like this.
80 00:05:27.570 ⇒ 00:05:30.699 Samuel Roberts: Definitely. Yeah, it’s always good, I think, to get, like.
81 00:05:31.010 ⇒ 00:05:39.000 Samuel Roberts: experience that you’re not, you know… well, how do I phrase? Like, not… not uncomfortable experience, but, like, new experiences, and figuring out, like.
82 00:05:39.330 ⇒ 00:05:44.250 Samuel Roberts: You know, having a little bit of knowledge can go a long way, in certain things.
83 00:05:44.580 ⇒ 00:05:47.510 Samuel Roberts: So that’s good. I’m glad, I’m glad you guys have also been getting that.
84 00:05:48.190 ⇒ 00:05:49.280 Casie Aviles: Definitely.
85 00:05:50.990 ⇒ 00:05:52.000 Samuel Roberts: Cool, cool.
86 00:05:53.430 ⇒ 00:05:54.479 Mustafa Raja: How was it for you?
87 00:05:55.020 ⇒ 00:06:01.980 Samuel Roberts: Yeah, it was, it was pretty good. You know, I had a couple things this week, like…
88 00:06:02.170 ⇒ 00:06:05.440 Samuel Roberts: that kind of… I had that class that I’m going to on Wednesdays now.
89 00:06:05.600 ⇒ 00:06:09.670 Samuel Roberts: So I kind of, like, it felt like a kind of shorter week, because I was out a little bit, but…
90 00:06:09.840 ⇒ 00:06:16.250 Samuel Roberts: Yeah, besides that, it wasn’t crazy, you know, I’m glad we’re getting some stuff on all those PRs.
91 00:06:16.420 ⇒ 00:06:17.980 Samuel Roberts: It was good to get those in.
92 00:06:18.310 ⇒ 00:06:18.780 Mustafa Raja: Yes.
93 00:06:18.780 ⇒ 00:06:26.150 Samuel Roberts: Get the platform, or get the forage, a little nicer, and I’m hoping, even though it’s Friday, maybe get the Turbo Puffer one in.
94 00:06:26.580 ⇒ 00:06:27.530 Mustafa Raja: Yes, yes.
95 00:06:28.230 ⇒ 00:06:30.459 Samuel Roberts: So I think then we’ll be in a pretty good state to, like.
96 00:06:30.590 ⇒ 00:06:33.619 Samuel Roberts: Hit the ground running next week with some new… some more stuff.
97 00:06:33.940 ⇒ 00:06:34.730 Mustafa Raja: No.
98 00:06:35.150 ⇒ 00:06:40.320 Mustafa Raja: Yeah, I made a… made a PR on Daxter also, I have tagged you on…
99 00:06:40.320 ⇒ 00:06:43.670 Samuel Roberts: That’s right, yep, I’ll take a look at that, too. Thank you for reminding me.
100 00:06:45.810 ⇒ 00:06:46.460 Mustafa Raja: Yes.
101 00:06:46.460 ⇒ 00:06:47.510 Samuel Roberts: Cool, cool.
102 00:06:48.490 ⇒ 00:06:52.759 Samuel Roberts: Excuse me, yeah, I think I’m definitely planning… I mean, I think…
103 00:06:52.930 ⇒ 00:07:00.449 Samuel Roberts: We added a ticket to, like, start mapping out and start migrating things into Mastra on Heroku, instead of just NNN for the client hubs, especially.
104 00:07:01.070 ⇒ 00:07:01.900 Casie Aviles: Oh, yeah.
105 00:07:02.240 ⇒ 00:07:04.979 Samuel Roberts: So I’m looking forward to really…
106 00:07:05.400 ⇒ 00:07:21.520 Samuel Roberts: figuring out how best to do that, you know, at least a high-level, like, architecture of it, because I think there’s a lot of stuff we can do with Monster that’ll be more modular, and then will be helpful in a lot of other places, so I want to make sure we’re not just building a copy of NNN, but we’re building it in a way that’s useful in other ways.
107 00:07:23.050 ⇒ 00:07:23.800 Uttam Kumaran: Hey guys, good morning.
108 00:07:23.800 ⇒ 00:07:24.730 Samuel Roberts: Tom.
109 00:07:25.150 ⇒ 00:07:26.180 Samuel Roberts: Morning.
110 00:07:26.510 ⇒ 00:07:28.180 Uttam Kumaran: Hey, how’s everything?
111 00:07:28.500 ⇒ 00:07:32.349 Samuel Roberts: Puppy! Oh, never mind, roaming.
112 00:07:32.350 ⇒ 00:07:33.100 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah.
113 00:07:33.150 ⇒ 00:07:35.020 Samuel Roberts: That was coming to join us.
114 00:07:36.760 ⇒ 00:07:38.409 Uttam Kumaran: How’s the… how’s the week been?
115 00:07:39.160 ⇒ 00:07:40.310 Samuel Roberts: Pretty good, man. That’s real nice.
116 00:07:42.590 ⇒ 00:07:44.270 Uttam Kumaran: How’s it been since yesterday?
117 00:07:44.530 ⇒ 00:07:49.419 Samuel Roberts: Oh, yeah, yeah, pretty good, pretty good. We were all just checking in on the whole week, a little bit.
118 00:07:50.140 ⇒ 00:07:57.360 Samuel Roberts: I don’t want to speak for them, but Casey and Stan were both mentioning they’ve been doing a little bit more data stuff, which they’ve enjoyed learning a little bit of, so that’s… that’s nice.
119 00:07:57.360 ⇒ 00:07:57.960 Uttam Kumaran: Nice.
120 00:07:58.700 ⇒ 00:07:59.340 Samuel Roberts: Yeah.
121 00:07:59.960 ⇒ 00:08:04.020 Samuel Roberts: And I was saying I’m glad we finally got those PRs in, too, so… Yeah, I think…
122 00:08:04.020 ⇒ 00:08:07.310 Uttam Kumaran: We’ll talk a bit… we’ll talk a bit in the delivery meeting about…
123 00:08:07.490 ⇒ 00:08:10.500 Uttam Kumaran: like, everyone’s capacity, and I think, like.
124 00:08:10.770 ⇒ 00:08:21.809 Uttam Kumaran: I’m speaking a little… we… we should have, sort of, a first version of our, like, delivery dashboard by Monday, and then that… so what that’s gonna do for the company is it’s gonna help us look at, like.
125 00:08:22.000 ⇒ 00:08:34.159 Uttam Kumaran: basically, like, overall, like, how many hours we’re spending on each client, how many hours we have, like, available, and then, for me, my… my one job is, like, okay, I… I messaged this to Robert yesterday, it’s like.
126 00:08:34.950 ⇒ 00:08:44.859 Uttam Kumaran: one thing that we’ve tried to do, and I think we’ve… we’ve sort of done some stuff well, some stuff tough, is, like, we… in some ways, we tried to build, like, a scalable company.
127 00:08:45.080 ⇒ 00:08:49.180 Uttam Kumaran: And in some ways, we, like, scaled maybe, like, faster than…
128 00:08:49.840 ⇒ 00:08:55.420 Uttam Kumaran: we scaled some processes faster than we should have, and I don’t know, I go back and forth on that, like, I don’t think I was…
129 00:08:55.860 ⇒ 00:09:00.150 Samuel Roberts: I don’t know how… if I felt like that even just 2 months ago, but I think where…
130 00:09:00.150 ⇒ 00:09:05.839 Uttam Kumaran: what I’ve seen this week, and me getting more involved in, like, the project management side, is, like, it’s actually very effective.
131 00:09:06.070 ⇒ 00:09:08.849 Uttam Kumaran: And I think this model of, like, me…
132 00:09:08.990 ⇒ 00:09:15.770 Uttam Kumaran: Amber and Rico, like, tackling all the clients is actually working really well.
133 00:09:15.950 ⇒ 00:09:21.699 Uttam Kumaran: And so, I want to maximize that. Second is, like, I actually think…
134 00:09:21.880 ⇒ 00:09:25.299 Uttam Kumaran: That involvement and that day-to-day check-in allows us to run
135 00:09:25.870 ⇒ 00:09:28.199 Uttam Kumaran: Clients on, like, a better margin.
136 00:09:28.350 ⇒ 00:09:32.860 Uttam Kumaran: Like, some weeks, because we just have work come in, we don’t need to accept it, right?
137 00:09:32.960 ⇒ 00:09:33.980 Uttam Kumaran: And so…
138 00:09:33.980 ⇒ 00:09:34.540 Samuel Roberts: Right.
139 00:09:34.720 ⇒ 00:09:45.859 Uttam Kumaran: That’s one thing that I want, that I think I have a better pulse on. And then second is, like, for the next two clients, my typical urge would be, like, oh, let’s go higher.
140 00:09:46.090 ⇒ 00:10:01.519 Uttam Kumaran: But I know that we have extra time from you, Sam, we have some time from… I know Mustafa and Casey now, if Interlude sort of slows down, we have some time. So, I need a composition of, like, what are our available capacity? And then I want to maximize this current
141 00:10:01.640 ⇒ 00:10:03.020 Uttam Kumaran: true, and I do.
142 00:10:03.020 ⇒ 00:10:03.350 Samuel Roberts: Yeah.
143 00:10:03.350 ⇒ 00:10:10.189 Uttam Kumaran: that we can deliver for another 2 or 3 clients. I think what it’s gonna take… it’s gonna take, sort of, like.
144 00:10:10.790 ⇒ 00:10:17.750 Uttam Kumaran: for me, and this is where, like, I was kind of nervous about this, is like, I don’t know, I… when… I know in typical…
145 00:10:18.230 ⇒ 00:10:25.290 Uttam Kumaran: organizations, we bring on people that are, like, one role, and then I’m like, well, if I don’t have that type of work…
146 00:10:25.570 ⇒ 00:10:30.769 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah. We can’t do anything, but I don’t know, I feel like we’re building an organization of more, like.
147 00:10:31.150 ⇒ 00:10:45.499 Uttam Kumaran: full-stack people, or, like, at least, like, multiple domains. Like, I… Sam, I wouldn’t be afraid to give you some, like, data architecture stuff. Like, I think you would probably… you’d probably do what you do best, which is being, like, I don’t know, or I’m not sure, but I don’t.
148 00:10:45.500 ⇒ 00:10:46.070 Samuel Roberts: No, you think?
149 00:10:46.070 ⇒ 00:10:46.890 Uttam Kumaran: it out. I know you’.
150 00:10:46.890 ⇒ 00:10:48.640 Samuel Roberts: That’s exactly it, yeah, yeah.
151 00:10:48.640 ⇒ 00:10:53.590 Uttam Kumaran: So, what… that’s kind of, like, what I… what I didn’t… like, I… I didn’t know…
152 00:10:53.900 ⇒ 00:11:07.750 Uttam Kumaran: I didn’t feel like that 6 months ago. Like, I felt like we had to keep hiring for specific roles, and maybe that was, like, I was being naive, or I wasn’t being, like… I didn’t have belief that we could build a crew of, like, more…
153 00:11:07.870 ⇒ 00:11:13.019 Uttam Kumaran: I don’t… maybe, like, not a generalist, but, like, you could generally go figure it out.
154 00:11:13.460 ⇒ 00:11:13.950 Samuel Roberts: Right, right.
155 00:11:13.950 ⇒ 00:11:28.249 Uttam Kumaran: If Rob and I are there to direct, then as long as the work comes in even 80%, we can sharpen the edges, we can round out the edges, and then get it out. And that’s more of, like, what I’m thinking, versus hiring people that are, like.
156 00:11:28.520 ⇒ 00:11:40.819 Uttam Kumaran: so deep in one topic. I mean, we’ve made the mistake in hiring people that are so deep in one part of data, and even on the AI side, when I talk to some people, it’s clear that they… all they want to do is, like, one piece, and I’m like, we don’t have…
157 00:11:41.090 ⇒ 00:11:43.760 Uttam Kumaran: full-time work for, like, One Piece, as you guys can see.
158 00:11:43.760 ⇒ 00:11:44.680 Samuel Roberts: Totally.
159 00:11:44.920 ⇒ 00:11:48.510 Uttam Kumaran: And I’m more interested in, like, okay, well.
160 00:11:48.640 ⇒ 00:11:57.169 Uttam Kumaran: we have great engineering work here for great clients, and when we come into a client, it may be AI one, it may be data stuff, it may be…
161 00:11:57.170 ⇒ 00:11:57.570 Samuel Roberts: Yeah.
162 00:11:57.570 ⇒ 00:12:11.920 Uttam Kumaran: pixel stuff, and maybe auth stuff, and I want everybody just, like, to get that rounded experience. And, like, the quality of our work doesn’t need to be, like, as good as, like, the best person ever. Actually, we just need to solve the problem, and we have the collective experience to solve, I think.
163 00:12:11.930 ⇒ 00:12:15.590 Samuel Roberts: most problems at this company, you know? So, that’s sort of, like, what I…
164 00:12:15.650 ⇒ 00:12:16.860 Uttam Kumaran: I’m thinking.
165 00:12:17.030 ⇒ 00:12:19.469 Uttam Kumaran: But curious, like, what you guys…
166 00:12:20.460 ⇒ 00:12:23.490 Uttam Kumaran: What you think about that, or what everybody here thinks about that.
167 00:12:26.830 ⇒ 00:12:29.790 Samuel Roberts: I have thoughts, but I don’t want to just jump in if… I think.
168 00:12:30.600 ⇒ 00:12:35.610 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, who else is on the call? Anyone else have a thought about that? I guess Rico, Casey, Mustafa?
169 00:12:37.410 ⇒ 00:12:41.709 Mustafa Raja: Yeah, I’ve been, I’ve been working on data side, and I’ve been loving it.
170 00:12:41.830 ⇒ 00:12:53.170 Mustafa Raja: I get to learn, a lot of new stuff, and I feel that, I’m growing, my skill set. So, so it’s…
171 00:12:53.380 ⇒ 00:12:55.140 Mustafa Raja: It’s something that I am happy with.
172 00:12:57.190 ⇒ 00:12:57.720 Uttam Kumaran: Okay.
173 00:12:59.150 ⇒ 00:13:03.309 Casie Aviles: And I think, you know, for… even for AI, like.
174 00:13:03.580 ⇒ 00:13:05.700 Casie Aviles: When I was an intern, I…
175 00:13:05.920 ⇒ 00:13:08.969 Casie Aviles: One of the things that we were being told is, like.
176 00:13:09.450 ⇒ 00:13:11.400 Casie Aviles: AI is just one thing, but…
177 00:13:11.950 ⇒ 00:13:18.879 Casie Aviles: It, you know, it would definitely be beneficial to, like, you know, know more, like, more than just that, because…
178 00:13:19.740 ⇒ 00:13:26.179 Casie Aviles: like, you know, it gives us opportunity to learn more about other areas as well, so I think…
179 00:13:26.610 ⇒ 00:13:35.120 Casie Aviles: And me, personally, I think I… I’m, I’m, you know, I think I’m fine with, you know, learning a lot of other areas. I’m also kind of…
180 00:13:35.770 ⇒ 00:13:40.179 Casie Aviles: curious about that, so… I definitely don’t mind, you know, getting…
181 00:13:40.570 ⇒ 00:13:43.109 Casie Aviles: Going beyond just AI, so yeah.
182 00:13:44.920 ⇒ 00:13:45.500 Samuel Roberts: Great.
183 00:13:45.500 ⇒ 00:13:46.040 Uttam Kumaran: Cool.
184 00:13:46.590 ⇒ 00:13:56.990 Samuel Roberts: Yeah, I think, especially from, like, an org level, you know, being a startup guy myself, like, it’s always been people that can solve problems, and generalists, not specialists, unless you need
185 00:13:57.200 ⇒ 00:14:01.640 Samuel Roberts: very specific for a sustained period of… you know what I mean? Like, if you can…
186 00:14:02.020 ⇒ 00:14:21.219 Samuel Roberts: you have to work to hire that one person that can do the right thing, and you’re doing, like, deep tech or something, I get that, but when you’re starting something up, and you’re solving lots of problems, and there’s all kinds of things coming up, I think that strategy is good. But finding those people is not always the easiest either, because some people, you know, like, this crew is excited to learn things, and lots of people are, but not everyone’s excited to learn things that are
187 00:14:21.400 ⇒ 00:14:22.870 Samuel Roberts: Outside of their…
188 00:14:23.520 ⇒ 00:14:28.230 Samuel Roberts: intended scope, I guess, and I think we are, and so we need to find more people like that.
189 00:14:29.840 ⇒ 00:14:30.190 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah.
190 00:14:30.190 ⇒ 00:14:39.850 Samuel Roberts: But it’s also, like, what clients you want to be serving, you know what I mean? Like, if you’re gonna find people that are looking for that one specific thing all the time, then yeah, hiring that role might be great, but then if that just…
191 00:14:40.140 ⇒ 00:14:55.040 Samuel Roberts: wasting other resources, and, like, you know, I think you have a better sense of, like, what sort of clients you’re looking for, like, the ideal kind of… I don’t say projects, but, like, what stage they’re in, and how we can help them on the data and the AI side, and how that plays together. And I think…
192 00:14:55.070 ⇒ 00:15:05.900 Samuel Roberts: People that can kind of bounce back and forth a little bit, maybe not fully, but at least, you know, communicate well across those lines is huge for this stage of this company right now, yeah.
193 00:15:06.210 ⇒ 00:15:17.280 Samuel Roberts: Yeah, I just, like… Yeah, yeah, go, go, go, go ahead. I think you said something the other day about, like, fractional engineers, and how, like, we’re bouncing around different projects, and, like, a normal consultancy would have, like, oh, you’re on this project.
194 00:15:17.380 ⇒ 00:15:19.279 Samuel Roberts: And, like, even that feels like…
195 00:15:20.450 ⇒ 00:15:32.420 Samuel Roberts: not something that would work. You want people that can do lots of different things, and you don’t have the… you know, you don’t have the big enough clients that are justifying one person working on one thing all the time, and I’m not even sure that would be fun to do, to be honest, you know?
196 00:15:32.420 ⇒ 00:15:45.759 Uttam Kumaran: Well, that’s the thing, is like, my bias is from, like, what I know from industry, which is you come in and you do one role. I think the best people come in and they’re hired for one role, and then they do other things, but they may not, like.
197 00:15:45.940 ⇒ 00:15:49.440 Uttam Kumaran: get treated that way in the org, they just kind of take problems on.
198 00:15:49.610 ⇒ 00:15:57.880 Uttam Kumaran: But I feel like true consulting, true engineering consulting, is like a, give me your problems, and I will give you, like…
199 00:15:58.390 ⇒ 00:15:59.150 Samuel Roberts: Yeah.
200 00:15:59.150 ⇒ 00:16:01.910 Uttam Kumaran: You know, and… and I think we have, clearly, we have…
201 00:16:02.390 ⇒ 00:16:04.759 Uttam Kumaran: Like, if we were to do a skills matrix.
202 00:16:04.870 ⇒ 00:16:10.639 Uttam Kumaran: And I think we will end up doing that at some point. I think we have what it takes to accomplish most tasks.
203 00:16:10.740 ⇒ 00:16:12.379 Uttam Kumaran: And I think I was…
204 00:16:12.780 ⇒ 00:16:19.900 Uttam Kumaran: I was, like, sort of lost in, like, oh, every… every team needs a specific role, and then every role we need to map, and then…
205 00:16:20.040 ⇒ 00:16:23.099 Uttam Kumaran: people can’t handle more than a couple clients, which I think we’ve…
206 00:16:23.400 ⇒ 00:16:28.839 Uttam Kumaran: Shown that, like, we have the people that Can accomplish those things.
207 00:16:29.800 ⇒ 00:16:36.400 Uttam Kumaran: And I don’t know, I feel like every step of the way where we went to go higher for a very specific resource.
208 00:16:36.540 ⇒ 00:16:40.830 Uttam Kumaran: Like, they completely dropped the ball, and… like…
209 00:16:41.060 ⇒ 00:16:42.520 Uttam Kumaran: I don’t know, it’s just like…
210 00:16:42.850 ⇒ 00:16:44.869 Uttam Kumaran: I mean, part of that is, I feel like.
211 00:16:45.170 ⇒ 00:16:47.529 Uttam Kumaran: maybe we… like, I should… I…
212 00:16:47.660 ⇒ 00:16:55.079 Uttam Kumaran: I don’t know, like, I don’t think I was clear, even when I interviewed y’all, that… that this was sort of like a… do multiple things, right? I think…
213 00:16:55.520 ⇒ 00:17:02.630 Uttam Kumaran: All of you guys gracefully… adapted to that, but I think what I should lead with the fact that
214 00:17:03.440 ⇒ 00:17:09.299 Uttam Kumaran: you’re gonna come in and do multiple things, not be worried if people… like, I had an interview yesterday where I told that to someone, she’s like.
215 00:17:09.300 ⇒ 00:17:13.510 Samuel Roberts: Okay, I’m not interested in that. I was like, okay. Yeah, don’t waste your time, exactly, exactly.
216 00:17:13.510 ⇒ 00:17:26.809 Uttam Kumaran: But I don’t know, I have some sort of fear about… I have some sort of fear about, like… this is why maybe I don’t… well, I’m sometimes, like, are we the problem? You know, and I’m starting to realize that maybe this is the environment we’re cultivating, and…
217 00:17:26.810 ⇒ 00:17:27.589 Samuel Roberts: Yeah.
218 00:17:27.599 ⇒ 00:17:30.229 Uttam Kumaran: We should be proud of that, and that’s what we should filter for.
219 00:17:30.930 ⇒ 00:17:45.369 Samuel Roberts: I think that’s… that’s fair, because I also think there’s no, like, right or wrong way. There’s, like, what works and what’s sustainable, and, you know, like, other companies might not be able to operate this way because they haven’t for so long, and they’re… and people can’t operate in that environment, but if I need a startup to do this.
220 00:17:45.640 ⇒ 00:17:54.459 Samuel Roberts: you know, for a long time, and hire… you know, there’s a big thing in YC that’s, like, looking for other YC founders for roles, because they know how to, like, wear multiple hats.
221 00:17:55.270 ⇒ 00:18:09.350 Samuel Roberts: And so, like, when you’re on, like, Bookface, which is, like, the internal thing for YC, it’s always, like, looking for founders, looking for founders, ex-founders, because they’re the people that have the… not just the experience, but the, like, acceptance of, like, I’m not being hired to just do one thing.
222 00:18:09.350 ⇒ 00:18:18.009 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, but this is where even, like, I didn’t have a clear dialogue, maybe, with everyone, because I brought everybody on to do something, and then I almost was like, hey.
223 00:18:18.440 ⇒ 00:18:20.259 Uttam Kumaran: Find this other thing.
224 00:18:20.260 ⇒ 00:18:20.920 Samuel Roberts: Yeah.
225 00:18:20.920 ⇒ 00:18:26.600 Uttam Kumaran: And because of that, like, I felt like I didn’t set expectations for Clear, but maybe that is the expectation.
226 00:18:26.750 ⇒ 00:18:45.149 Uttam Kumaran: and I can set that very clear for everybody, is that, hey, like, if you’re here, and you’re still here, you’re here because you can do multiple things, and you will… and actually, we’re gonna move to a mode where you will get to do multiple things, and don’t worry if you don’t know it. If you’re here, you will… you’re here because you will figure it out.
227 00:18:45.250 ⇒ 00:18:50.109 Uttam Kumaran: And lean on everybody. And, like, I should lead with that, versus… I think I was very, like…
228 00:18:51.130 ⇒ 00:18:54.280 Uttam Kumaran: Chris, about that. Like, I guess I didn’t feel like…
229 00:18:54.550 ⇒ 00:18:58.870 Uttam Kumaran: I mean, I’m always worried about what everybody in the company thinks about working here, so even that, I was like.
230 00:18:58.870 ⇒ 00:18:59.520 Samuel Roberts: Of course.
231 00:18:59.520 ⇒ 00:19:01.739 Uttam Kumaran: This is another layer of, like, maybe we’re…
232 00:19:01.990 ⇒ 00:19:06.550 Uttam Kumaran: there’s, like, a brain-forged way of doing things, and is that right? Versus is that, like…
233 00:19:07.040 ⇒ 00:19:11.109 Uttam Kumaran: Am I just, like, trying to do something new, and we should just follow the rules?
234 00:19:11.300 ⇒ 00:19:14.030 Uttam Kumaran: You know, yeah.
235 00:19:14.850 ⇒ 00:19:17.159 Samuel Roberts: I think there’s a… there’s a fine line between, like.
236 00:19:17.480 ⇒ 00:19:23.700 Samuel Roberts: People, as generalists, bouncing around, and what might look like dysfunction to other people.
237 00:19:23.910 ⇒ 00:19:27.730 Uttam Kumaran: And, like, I don’t think… I think that’s, like, a feeling, and that’s kind of like a…
238 00:19:27.800 ⇒ 00:19:29.739 Samuel Roberts: If things are moving right.
239 00:19:29.740 ⇒ 00:19:32.110 Uttam Kumaran: It doesn’t feel dysfunctional to me at all. In fact.
240 00:19:32.110 ⇒ 00:19:34.529 Samuel Roberts: But I can see how people might think it if they’ve come.
241 00:19:34.530 ⇒ 00:19:34.970 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah.
242 00:19:34.970 ⇒ 00:19:41.629 Samuel Roberts: and you’re like, we do lots of different stuff. Might be a… they’re hearing it one way, and either they don’t like it, or they think, oh, they don’t know what they’re doing, and like…
243 00:19:41.830 ⇒ 00:19:43.590 Samuel Roberts: That’s good to weed people out early, but…
244 00:19:43.590 ⇒ 00:19:49.389 Uttam Kumaran: I almost come back and blame them, because I’m like, well, you’ve never recruited generalist-type engines.
245 00:19:49.600 ⇒ 00:19:56.710 Uttam Kumaran: never been able to, like, understand what they do. So because you have your lack of understanding, you have to have a rigid framework.
246 00:19:56.920 ⇒ 00:20:05.110 Uttam Kumaran: You don’t have that. I know everybody here has skills that they’ve done, but I also know they have skills that they’ve done that rhyme with other things that I know they can…
247 00:20:05.110 ⇒ 00:20:05.520 Samuel Roberts: safe.
248 00:20:05.520 ⇒ 00:20:06.870 Uttam Kumaran: So what’s the point? Exactly.
249 00:20:07.000 ⇒ 00:20:07.600 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah.
250 00:20:07.600 ⇒ 00:20:07.960 Samuel Roberts: I think…
251 00:20:07.960 ⇒ 00:20:08.610 Uttam Kumaran: point.
252 00:20:09.230 ⇒ 00:20:14.279 Samuel Roberts: I… I like that a lot more, and that’s what’s kept me in startups forever. I also see why people like
253 00:20:14.500 ⇒ 00:20:22.380 Samuel Roberts: rigidity, and honing certain skills, and following a ladder up their, you know, their org. But…
254 00:20:23.310 ⇒ 00:20:30.239 Samuel Roberts: That’s less exciting to me than just, like, bouncing around and learning cool things and getting deeper on some things and wider on some other things, you know?
255 00:20:30.960 ⇒ 00:20:31.620 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah.
256 00:20:32.230 ⇒ 00:20:34.739 Samuel Roberts: But it is, it’s a balance, you know what I mean? Either way, so…
257 00:20:35.980 ⇒ 00:20:39.169 Samuel Roberts: Yeah, that’s one of my thoughts. I like it, I mean…
258 00:20:39.420 ⇒ 00:20:47.170 Samuel Roberts: I also say, like, you know, we’re less than 20 people, so, like, in any sense, it’s a startup, you know, however you want to talk about it. So, like…
259 00:20:47.480 ⇒ 00:20:49.300 Samuel Roberts: If you’re… if you’re starting to, like.
260 00:20:49.520 ⇒ 00:20:53.250 Samuel Roberts: silo and isolate. That’s probably still too early, even from a, like.
261 00:20:53.250 ⇒ 00:20:57.640 Uttam Kumaran: No, I know, and I think it’s tough because, like,
262 00:20:58.080 ⇒ 00:21:01.639 Uttam Kumaran: you know, I’ve read a lot about scaling consultancies, I think there…
263 00:21:01.640 ⇒ 00:21:02.060 Samuel Roberts: Yeah.
264 00:21:02.060 ⇒ 00:21:07.909 Uttam Kumaran: This is also, again, like, probably where I… like… I try to balance
265 00:21:08.210 ⇒ 00:21:13.480 Uttam Kumaran: challenging, like, what I hear about how to do this versus, like, doing it our way.
266 00:21:13.700 ⇒ 00:21:26.169 Uttam Kumaran: And I think in particular, people that run businesses, like, they do it because they want to challenge, like, status quo. We’ve done that in a lot of ways. But I also don’t know a lot, so I have to ask for advice, right? But what I hear in my…
267 00:21:26.510 ⇒ 00:21:41.880 Uttam Kumaran: like, you form your opinion on the world from, like, the people around you, what you hear, right? So if I have questions about consulting, there is, like, 10, 15 people I go to, and, like, whatever they say, but they’re all… again, maybe this is unique, and maybe there’s… maybe I should go find other companies that
268 00:21:42.110 ⇒ 00:21:46.859 Uttam Kumaran: Are more, like, full-stack generalist consultants who go ask them for advice.
269 00:21:47.150 ⇒ 00:21:50.139 Uttam Kumaran: Versus companies that just had very rigid structure.
270 00:21:50.820 ⇒ 00:21:51.730 Samuel Roberts: Yeah.
271 00:21:52.920 ⇒ 00:21:56.889 Samuel Roberts: Yeah, advice is tough from a startup perspective, because…
272 00:21:57.590 ⇒ 00:22:01.219 Samuel Roberts: People will give you conflicting advice, no matter what you’re asking, even if you, like.
273 00:22:01.220 ⇒ 00:22:01.540 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah.
274 00:22:01.540 ⇒ 00:22:09.770 Samuel Roberts: Especially if you’re going to people that are, like, in an established industry already like this. They have ways of doing things, and for better or for worse, that’s how they do it, whether or not they
275 00:22:09.940 ⇒ 00:22:12.710 Samuel Roberts: even think about why they’re doing it.
276 00:22:13.570 ⇒ 00:22:17.190 Samuel Roberts: But that doesn’t mean it’s the right way, doesn’t mean it’s the only way, doesn’t mean it’s the best way.
277 00:22:17.340 ⇒ 00:22:27.090 Samuel Roberts: And a lot of it is, at least I found in other startup stuff, is like, it’s a crapshoot. It’s like a, you know, here’s the lottery tickets that I use to win, and it’s like, well, that’s
278 00:22:27.630 ⇒ 00:22:45.259 Samuel Roberts: The lottery works, you know? But I think talking to other people that are more similar to us might be helpful, or even a similar stage, like, other peers that are trying to do something similar, like, how are you solving this problem right now? It might be like, oh, the solution is to go be, like, a big consultancy, but that’s not what you’re shooting for. You want
279 00:22:45.260 ⇒ 00:22:49.020 Samuel Roberts: Something else, and if other people are building that way, like… Yeah.
280 00:22:49.500 ⇒ 00:22:53.170 Samuel Roberts: I don’t know. That’s… I got no other advice on that. I haven’t done it yet, so I’m just, you know…
281 00:22:53.170 ⇒ 00:22:54.219 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
282 00:22:54.220 ⇒ 00:22:57.399 Samuel Roberts: Thinking here, but… Yeah, advice is tough, because…
283 00:22:57.680 ⇒ 00:23:01.700 Samuel Roberts: It could be conflicting, and none of it could be right, all of it could be right, it all depends.
284 00:23:01.700 ⇒ 00:23:02.410 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah.
285 00:23:03.880 ⇒ 00:23:05.919 Uttam Kumaran: Cool, well, maybe with the last.
286 00:23:05.920 ⇒ 00:23:07.029 Samuel Roberts: Yeah, sorry.
287 00:23:07.030 ⇒ 00:23:17.670 Uttam Kumaran: I mean, it’s… no, no, no, I think a couple things I wanted to do is, and I was gonna kind of explain this new process for how I’m thinking about doing, reviews.
288 00:23:17.830 ⇒ 00:23:25.499 Uttam Kumaran: Is basically, again, like, this is an internal project, and so I… what a couple things I want to do is, talk a little bit about
289 00:23:25.610 ⇒ 00:23:30.640 Uttam Kumaran: Like, wins, new things that came up, opportunities, and then, like.
290 00:23:31.040 ⇒ 00:23:39.520 Uttam Kumaran: asks, and this would be for the company, right? So, one thing that I want to talk about for this team, and maybe it’s almost helpful, is, like.
291 00:23:39.760 ⇒ 00:23:48.100 Uttam Kumaran: damn, if you wanna, like, share the platform, and then I can literally just note down, like, what did we get, what did we ship this week?
292 00:23:48.490 ⇒ 00:23:49.330 Samuel Roberts: Yeah, let me…
293 00:23:49.330 ⇒ 00:23:54.760 Uttam Kumaran: And then, that way, I can make sure that ends up in our deck later, and I’ll shoot that out to the company.
294 00:23:55.380 ⇒ 00:23:55.940 Samuel Roberts: Huh.
295 00:23:56.140 ⇒ 00:24:00.650 Uttam Kumaran: And then, so that… those are the basic categories, and I’ll put those in the chat, which is, like, when…
296 00:24:01.480 ⇒ 00:24:06.730 Uttam Kumaran: Or actually, here, if… even if people want to help to do this, I’m just gonna put this link…
297 00:24:07.260 ⇒ 00:24:07.700 Samuel Roberts: Hmm.
298 00:24:07.700 ⇒ 00:24:08.930 Uttam Kumaran: the Zoom chat.
299 00:24:09.520 ⇒ 00:24:16.460 Uttam Kumaran: Which is basically, like, so at the bottom, you guys should see the AI team.
300 00:24:16.660 ⇒ 00:24:17.770 Uttam Kumaran: And…
301 00:24:18.950 ⇒ 00:24:19.580 Samuel Roberts: Oh, nice, yeah.
302 00:24:19.580 ⇒ 00:24:27.210 Uttam Kumaran: You’ll… you’ll see when… new… Opportunities, Backlog, and then ask.
303 00:24:27.720 ⇒ 00:24:39.670 Uttam Kumaran: And so, if you guys… if you worked on something this week, if you don’t mind, and it got shipped, if you don’t mind just putting it in the wins category, and that’s why, Sam, I don’t know if you’re… if you’re… if you’re opening the platform, you could probably see everything.
304 00:24:40.150 ⇒ 00:24:41.410 Uttam Kumaran: Pretty specifically there.
305 00:24:41.410 ⇒ 00:24:45.080 Samuel Roberts: Yeah, I’m getting it up right now, if I can find it right.
306 00:24:45.080 ⇒ 00:24:49.370 Uttam Kumaran: And then that way, I can make it really clear to everybody, like, okay, what are the things that we did?
307 00:24:52.680 ⇒ 00:24:53.540 Samuel Roberts: Alright.
308 00:24:53.910 ⇒ 00:24:55.700 Samuel Roberts: Everyone see what I got here.
309 00:24:56.390 ⇒ 00:24:57.200 Uttam Kumaran: Yes.
310 00:24:57.200 ⇒ 00:25:04.120 Samuel Roberts: So, I’m trying to think what’s different. So obviously, like, the search, you tweaked all this.
311 00:25:04.880 ⇒ 00:25:05.650 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, so we have, like.
312 00:25:05.650 ⇒ 00:25:07.400 Samuel Roberts: So we got the date range…
313 00:25:07.400 ⇒ 00:25:15.960 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, improved date range… Improved… okay, improved date range, and, like, quick filters.
314 00:25:15.960 ⇒ 00:25:16.560 Samuel Roberts: Yeah.
315 00:25:16.560 ⇒ 00:25:18.810 Uttam Kumaran: You’re not gonna see anything for today.
316 00:25:19.390 ⇒ 00:25:29.219 Samuel Roberts: Oh, duh, thank you. I’m like, what am I doing? Yeah, I’m like, why is it loading so long? But that’s… that’s the other thing we were working on with the turbo parks. The last 7 days, all participants… I started looking at improving this with, like, a multi-select, but…
317 00:25:29.220 ⇒ 00:25:29.540 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah.
318 00:25:29.540 ⇒ 00:25:32.859 Samuel Roberts: I didn’t want to… I didn’t want to mess with that until the turbo puffer stuff was in place.
319 00:25:32.970 ⇒ 00:25:33.900 Samuel Roberts: Okay.
320 00:25:34.080 ⇒ 00:25:42.539 Samuel Roberts: But it’s ready to go, potentially. And then, yeah, so that’s all good. The turbo puffer stuff, there was a couple more bugs, but that will, probably by the end of the day, get in here.
321 00:25:42.800 ⇒ 00:25:49.060 Samuel Roberts: And then… trying to think, what else do we do here? So we have the multi-select.
322 00:25:52.000 ⇒ 00:25:54.369 Samuel Roberts: Chat over multiple meetings.
323 00:25:56.590 ⇒ 00:26:04.869 Samuel Roberts: And that’s only on the dashboard, right? We hid that on the client, yeah, okay.
324 00:26:04.870 ⇒ 00:26:05.430 Casie Aviles: Yep.
325 00:26:07.090 ⇒ 00:26:14.619 Samuel Roberts: Good, good. And then, I think you, Utam, did this, right?
326 00:26:14.930 ⇒ 00:26:19.720 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, linear ticket agent, just like UI improvements.
327 00:26:20.020 ⇒ 00:26:25.510 Samuel Roberts: Yeah, I definitely think we should figure out a good way to fold that into… Or fold something.
328 00:26:25.510 ⇒ 00:26:26.040 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah.
329 00:26:26.040 ⇒ 00:26:27.849 Samuel Roberts: combining, because, like.
330 00:26:28.680 ⇒ 00:26:34.920 Samuel Roberts: this is, like, helpful if you’re just, like, what happened in the meeting? If you want to take actions, this little area down here is not…
331 00:26:35.100 ⇒ 00:26:38.179 Samuel Roberts: the most. Like, it’s there, but…
332 00:26:38.490 ⇒ 00:26:40.890 Samuel Roberts: it’s not the main focus. So there might be, like, a…
333 00:26:40.890 ⇒ 00:26:41.450 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah.
334 00:26:41.450 ⇒ 00:26:45.089 Samuel Roberts: Either a… maybe a different view up here, where it, like, pulls up
335 00:26:45.890 ⇒ 00:26:53.999 Samuel Roberts: a PM view or something? I don’t know. There’s a few ways to think about that, but I think at the very least, maybe a button that, like, links you directly to here.
336 00:26:54.160 ⇒ 00:27:03.160 Samuel Roberts: and drops medium would be worth it, but… Okay. I like this. I was playing around with it, I fixed a few little scroll things, but it worked pretty well when I was playing with it.
337 00:27:04.000 ⇒ 00:27:08.890 Samuel Roberts: the other stuff we got, the departments are in, right?
338 00:27:10.920 ⇒ 00:27:15.309 Samuel Roberts: And this is… Happening, excuse me, in,
339 00:27:16.760 ⇒ 00:27:20.270 Samuel Roberts: in Mastra on Heroku, which is a good step.
340 00:27:22.680 ⇒ 00:27:24.430 Samuel Roberts: Does this work here, too? -Oh.
341 00:27:25.440 ⇒ 00:27:28.550 Samuel Roberts: Didn’t think about that. Oh man, more pages.
342 00:27:30.280 ⇒ 00:27:38.200 Samuel Roberts: This is why we do this, you know what I mean? We were just talking about that, Mustaf and I, because there’s, like, all kinds of weird edge cases with Turbo Puffs, and I’m like, there’s gonna be bugs, we just have to…
343 00:27:38.350 ⇒ 00:27:40.600 Samuel Roberts: Test the hell out of it, get people to give us feedback.
344 00:27:40.600 ⇒ 00:27:47.840 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah, so what… so honestly, what will happen is every other day or so, and you guys will see, like, how I start to run
345 00:27:47.940 ⇒ 00:27:54.640 Uttam Kumaran: UI, like, especially when we’re developing, like, a product like this, we will walk through the core product flows.
346 00:27:55.080 ⇒ 00:28:11.359 Uttam Kumaran: Every day. Right now, we have a lot of backlog, but if the five of us walk through it every day, it’s naturally we’re gonna be like, okay, we need to do this, we need to do this, we should do this, we should do this. Yep. So we’ll start to do that in stand-ups with, like, the last 5 minutes, is we basically do, like, okay, who wants to go
347 00:28:11.560 ⇒ 00:28:17.789 Uttam Kumaran: create a… go walk through the create a meeting flow, walk through this flow, and it’ll be so obvious, like, where the improvements are, so…
348 00:28:17.790 ⇒ 00:28:19.109 Samuel Roberts: I love that, I love that, yeah.
349 00:28:19.110 ⇒ 00:28:19.740 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah.
350 00:28:21.240 ⇒ 00:28:27.020 Samuel Roberts: The other thing, I think, is this… Marketing assets.
351 00:28:27.170 ⇒ 00:28:32.929 Samuel Roberts: This now has clients, we moved back to the chips instead of the drop-downs.
352 00:28:33.110 ⇒ 00:28:39.069 Samuel Roberts: The bulk edit… Should be good, as well, with clients.
353 00:28:39.820 ⇒ 00:28:43.390 Samuel Roberts: You can also now add…
354 00:28:43.600 ⇒ 00:28:51.970 Samuel Roberts: custom links, so this is the ability to, like, add a YouTube video or a Notion doc, but I think this starts to become…
355 00:28:52.780 ⇒ 00:28:55.890 Samuel Roberts: Drop a file here to upload pretty soon.
356 00:28:57.820 ⇒ 00:29:08.809 Samuel Roberts: And I want to make progress on that, because I know that GitHub is annoying, and even making this work with GitHub was annoying, but that also means the files.brainforge stuff needs to get updated too, so I don’t want to…
357 00:29:08.810 ⇒ 00:29:09.530 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah.
358 00:29:09.720 ⇒ 00:29:15.640 Samuel Roberts: I don’t want to… I didn’t want to just jump into that and, like, start ticking it out until I understand how that works better, too. So, Mustafa, you and I might need to…
359 00:29:16.060 ⇒ 00:29:19.169 Samuel Roberts: Connect about that in the next, couple weeks, maybe, but…
360 00:29:19.170 ⇒ 00:29:19.800 Mustafa Raja: Nope.
361 00:29:21.280 ⇒ 00:29:26.560 Samuel Roberts: But yeah, so that’s the marketing page then. What else did we get here?
362 00:29:26.720 ⇒ 00:29:31.240 Samuel Roberts: In the last week. I think that’s pretty much… It.
363 00:29:31.940 ⇒ 00:29:33.490 Samuel Roberts: on platform stuff.
364 00:29:35.740 ⇒ 00:29:37.329 Samuel Roberts: Am I missing anything else, guys?
365 00:29:43.070 ⇒ 00:29:50.740 Uttam Kumaran: I feel like that may be… it.
366 00:29:51.490 ⇒ 00:29:52.569 Samuel Roberts: Yeah, I think it is.
367 00:29:56.210 ⇒ 00:29:58.869 Samuel Roberts: Oh, hold on, we got this little, hover thing now, right?
368 00:29:58.870 ⇒ 00:29:59.859 Uttam Kumaran: Oh, yeah.
369 00:30:00.210 ⇒ 00:30:06.279 Samuel Roberts: Yeah, so that’s the thing, and it slides a little bit better than it did before, too.
370 00:30:06.580 ⇒ 00:30:10.889 Samuel Roberts: Something about that jump was really pissing me off, and I didn’t like it, and I didn’t know how to fix it for a minute.
371 00:30:11.900 ⇒ 00:30:13.339 Uttam Kumaran: Okay, so left nav.
372 00:30:13.750 ⇒ 00:30:25.629 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah. Okay, cool. So then, like, if we talk about new things that came up, so delivery, dashboard model, the agile-specific tooling, anything new, like, new asks that came up?
373 00:30:26.730 ⇒ 00:30:31.949 Samuel Roberts: new asks, well, some of that marketing stuff was, like, tweaks and things.
374 00:30:32.440 ⇒ 00:30:33.480 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah.
375 00:30:34.280 ⇒ 00:30:36.419 Samuel Roberts: That felt kind of ongoing anyway.
376 00:30:36.630 ⇒ 00:30:42.310 Samuel Roberts: The multi… I mean, this… the multi-select agent, or multi-select meeting thing was…
377 00:30:43.000 ⇒ 00:30:45.130 Samuel Roberts: What was an ask, I guess, right, from you?
378 00:30:45.730 ⇒ 00:30:46.480 Uttam Kumaran: Yeah.
379 00:30:46.480 ⇒ 00:30:48.530 Samuel Roberts: And then the opportunity…
380 00:30:48.530 ⇒ 00:30:55.789 Uttam Kumaran: opportunities, we have AI agents from N8N Astra, we have role-based… we have role-based access control.
381 00:30:56.100 ⇒ 00:30:56.970 Samuel Roberts: Yep.
382 00:30:58.560 ⇒ 00:30:59.850 Uttam Kumaran: And then, commercial.
383 00:31:00.280 ⇒ 00:31:09.130 Uttam Kumaran: Well, I’m just gonna do role-based asset control, and I’m also gonna do Google… SSO… Off.
384 00:31:10.340 ⇒ 00:31:11.510 Samuel Roberts: Yeah.
385 00:31:11.830 ⇒ 00:31:12.440 Uttam Kumaran: Okay.
386 00:31:12.900 ⇒ 00:31:19.610 Uttam Kumaran: Okay, we have to… I have to run to the next meeting, but probably my only ask here is, I’m gonna,
387 00:31:19.920 ⇒ 00:31:23.489 Uttam Kumaran: We’re gonna try to put together just, like, a couple of slides.
388 00:31:23.750 ⇒ 00:31:30.279 Uttam Kumaran: So, maybe while you have this up, I should have asked you to do this, but anyway, you guys can just put screenshots
389 00:31:30.460 ⇒ 00:31:35.800 Uttam Kumaran: of, like, the feature, or, like, even just the GIF. Like, I don’t know if you guys have a local…
390 00:31:36.020 ⇒ 00:31:38.600 Uttam Kumaran: I don’t know if I… I think I used Stotter…
391 00:31:39.040 ⇒ 00:31:42.540 Uttam Kumaran: to record little… you can record little GIFs.
392 00:31:43.030 ⇒ 00:31:44.140 Uttam Kumaran: Right.
393 00:31:44.440 ⇒ 00:31:48.669 Uttam Kumaran: But… or you could just literally record, like, just put screenshots of…
394 00:31:49.490 ⇒ 00:31:52.990 Uttam Kumaran: the feature, and then I’m gonna put into a little slide deck.
395 00:31:54.790 ⇒ 00:31:58.230 Samuel Roberts: Okay, and that’s all… you have that all… I have to… I don’t know.
396 00:31:58.230 ⇒ 00:32:00.199 Uttam Kumaran: It’s just listed in Notion here, yeah.
397 00:32:00.200 ⇒ 00:32:02.290 Samuel Roberts: Okay, yeah, I was trying to figure it had the…
398 00:32:02.700 ⇒ 00:32:04.519 Samuel Roberts: the other stuff in front of me. Okay, cool.
399 00:32:05.090 ⇒ 00:32:06.780 Uttam Kumaran: Okay, I’m gonna jump to the next meeting.
400 00:32:06.780 ⇒ 00:32:08.229 Samuel Roberts: But yeah, let’s just…
401 00:32:08.230 ⇒ 00:32:10.769 Uttam Kumaran: Especially on Slack it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, okay, okay, cool.
402 00:32:10.960 ⇒ 00:32:12.309 Samuel Roberts: Alright, sounds good, see you there.
403 00:32:12.820 ⇒ 00:32:13.510 Uttam Kumaran: Alright, thanks.
404 00:32:14.470 ⇒ 00:32:15.720 Samuel Roberts: Where do I stop?