Meeting Title: Brainford x Remo Demo Issues Discussion Date: 2025-10-15 Meeting participants: Awaish Kumar, Surfield Thomas, Jr.
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1 00:03:11.520 ⇒ 00:03:12.300 Surfield Thomas, Jr.: Hello?
2 00:03:14.350 ⇒ 00:03:18.569 Surfield Thomas, Jr.: Hey, what’s up? Oh, I didn’t know the link changed.
3 00:03:19.820 ⇒ 00:03:22.270 Surfield Thomas, Jr.: Yeah, so I’m, like… Oh?
4 00:03:22.420 ⇒ 00:03:27.060 Awaish Kumar: Because maybe that were linked well for… Amber, she…
5 00:03:27.210 ⇒ 00:03:29.319 Surfield Thomas, Jr.: Hold on. Oh, Amber’s in a different meeting.
6 00:03:30.040 ⇒ 00:03:31.990 Awaish Kumar: Actually, she created that.
7 00:03:34.060 ⇒ 00:03:37.339 Surfield Thomas, Jr.: Wait, what do you… I didn’t hear what you said. You said Amber’s in a… was in a different meeting?
8 00:03:38.680 ⇒ 00:03:42.850 Awaish Kumar: Yeah, that’s what I’m… I don’t know, like, he… so I don’t know.
9 00:03:42.960 ⇒ 00:03:44.470 Surfield Thomas, Jr.: Okay, cool, sweet.
10 00:03:44.470 ⇒ 00:03:46.730 Awaish Kumar: That’s why I created another one for us.
11 00:03:46.730 ⇒ 00:03:47.600 Surfield Thomas, Jr.: Awesome.
12 00:03:47.810 ⇒ 00:03:48.979 Surfield Thomas, Jr.: Awesome, cool.
13 00:03:51.580 ⇒ 00:04:08.920 Surfield Thomas, Jr.: Yeah, I’m kind of pissed about yesterday. I want to just, I guess, start there, because at the end of the day, he keeps moving the meetings, which is why I even agreed to 3.30, and it was recorded anyway, so all he needed to do was demo. Like, he doesn’t need me to demo, he just needs to demo a working product.
14 00:04:09.250 ⇒ 00:04:12.269 Surfield Thomas, Jr.: Because, like, I can watch the video, I can…
15 00:04:12.530 ⇒ 00:04:14.220 Surfield Thomas, Jr.: It’s like, what the hell does it do?
16 00:04:14.600 ⇒ 00:04:16.790 Surfield Thomas, Jr.: And, like…
17 00:04:17.860 ⇒ 00:04:26.569 Surfield Thomas, Jr.: So all he did was really buy himself time, because there’s no reason… because, like, what does he need to explain to me that he can’t show in a working product?
18 00:04:27.990 ⇒ 00:04:31.309 Surfield Thomas, Jr.: It’s kind of weird, and it’s mind-boggling to me. Hello?
19 00:04:32.630 ⇒ 00:04:35.060 Awaish Kumar: Yeah, I’m saying yes.
20 00:04:35.590 ⇒ 00:04:40.790 Surfield Thomas, Jr.: Go through, click the buttons, show that the thing goes in the data, like, demo the product!
21 00:04:41.600 ⇒ 00:04:45.030 Awaish Kumar: Yeah, and I was there. Obviously, I was there.
22 00:04:45.030 ⇒ 00:04:54.600 Surfield Thomas, Jr.: We were there, and I told him, and I literally added in the thing, you can lead it, just demo the product, because I need to know, like, can I run GLP-1 on it?
23 00:04:54.740 ⇒ 00:05:08.160 Surfield Thomas, Jr.: Right? And he’s like, some of the flows still aren’t working. It’s just like, dude, what the hell is there? Like, that’s my issue. It’s like, I need to understand what’s ready, what’s not ready, and I just need it demoed. And every single demo that he showed me is very incomplete.
24 00:05:08.770 ⇒ 00:05:13.570 Surfield Thomas, Jr.: So it’s just like, am I just checking the code quality? Because the code looks good, it just doesn’t do anything.
25 00:05:13.780 ⇒ 00:05:19.039 Surfield Thomas, Jr.: Right? Anyone… I could write you some pretty code right now that doesn’t do anything.
26 00:05:21.360 ⇒ 00:05:24.910 Surfield Thomas, Jr.: So I’m kinda, yeah, I’m kinda just annoyed, because he could’ve just did the demo.
27 00:05:26.050 ⇒ 00:05:31.420 Awaish Kumar: I understand, and, like, maybe he tried to shift the blame on us.
28 00:05:31.910 ⇒ 00:05:32.680 Surfield Thomas, Jr.: Yeah, he did.
29 00:05:32.680 ⇒ 00:05:33.300 Awaish Kumar: God.
30 00:05:33.780 ⇒ 00:05:36.380 Surfield Thomas, Jr.: Yeah, he did. But again, he pushed the meeting, like, 3 times.
31 00:05:36.720 ⇒ 00:05:39.879 Awaish Kumar: I, I, I, I, I, I just have to…
32 00:05:40.750 ⇒ 00:05:44.620 Awaish Kumar: Like, now focus on what we can get from him.
33 00:05:44.740 ⇒ 00:05:48.040 Awaish Kumar: for Monday’s meeting, so I…
34 00:05:48.040 ⇒ 00:06:02.249 Surfield Thomas, Jr.: Yeah, so tomorrow’s meeting, I’ll be there, I’m confirming the 4. I’m gonna, like, call in sick or whatever, so I’m gonna be there for 4, and he needs to demo the full product, and show us what the hell exists, because he even said, we have database access and, like.
35 00:06:02.420 ⇒ 00:06:05.789 Awaish Kumar: When? There’s no data in the database. He still hasn’t put data in there.
36 00:06:05.940 ⇒ 00:06:07.869 Awaish Kumar: Yeah, yeah, that’s what I… that’s what I’m…
37 00:06:08.000 ⇒ 00:06:15.710 Awaish Kumar: I told him, like, I need an access to a complete database, which is being used, which has some data, and he…
38 00:06:15.900 ⇒ 00:06:20.070 Awaish Kumar: Keep saying that. I have given you access. Like, there’s nothing, right?
39 00:06:20.670 ⇒ 00:06:31.609 Surfield Thomas, Jr.: There’s literally nothing in the database. So tomorrow, I’m gonna ask him in the meeting to forward that information as well, like, can you actually log into the database and show us that there’s data there?
40 00:06:31.790 ⇒ 00:06:36.369 Surfield Thomas, Jr.: It’s like, what the, like, what the hell is going on? It’s just very, very simple, like, what the hell is going on?
41 00:06:36.930 ⇒ 00:06:43.580 Surfield Thomas, Jr.: Because, like, he even responded that some of the stuff are on one of the other people’s machines. I’m just like, what?
42 00:06:43.710 ⇒ 00:06:45.200 Awaish Kumar: What is happening here?
43 00:06:45.950 ⇒ 00:06:50.819 Awaish Kumar: Even yesterday, he told me that he can wait for you.
44 00:06:50.930 ⇒ 00:07:01.879 Awaish Kumar: And that’s why I pinged you, and asked you from the meeting, and as soon as I said, Surf is coming in 5 minutes, he said, I’m late, I’m going, I don’t know what happened.
45 00:07:02.580 ⇒ 00:07:03.140 Surfield Thomas, Jr.: Yeah.
46 00:07:03.350 ⇒ 00:07:06.839 Surfield Thomas, Jr.: Alright, well, we’re gonna be all there on tomorrow, and he can’t pull this shit tomorrow.
47 00:07:07.050 ⇒ 00:07:14.689 Surfield Thomas, Jr.: Or, because again, my write-up is… because he even said the write-up needs to be, like, informed with what, like, no, does it exist or does it not exist?
48 00:07:14.800 ⇒ 00:07:17.379 Surfield Thomas, Jr.: And let’s start from there, and then let’s move on to what’s next.
49 00:07:17.790 ⇒ 00:07:23.339 Awaish Kumar: Okay, now, I just want to understand the one… Two things here. Number one…
50 00:07:23.340 ⇒ 00:07:23.890 Surfield Thomas, Jr.: Nope.
51 00:07:24.070 ⇒ 00:07:28.630 Awaish Kumar: Did you spend any time in this week doing anything for remote?
52 00:07:30.550 ⇒ 00:07:41.920 Surfield Thomas, Jr.: The only thing I did was a little bit of work, but I didn’t actually charge for that. And it was, late last night, he… me and him started texting.
53 00:07:42.110 ⇒ 00:07:50.429 Surfield Thomas, Jr.: So he’s like, could you just look at the databases? And I’m just like, what am I just… I’m just looking at random things here? Like, it just doesn’t make any sense. This is not how this is done.
54 00:07:51.420 ⇒ 00:07:56.209 Awaish Kumar: Right? So it’s just, like, that’s why I needed the demo, so that I could, like, map these features.
55 00:07:56.210 ⇒ 00:08:02.600 Surfield Thomas, Jr.: Like, of like, alright, here’s the demo visually, and then here’s the API that hits, and all of that sort of stuff.
56 00:08:02.680 ⇒ 00:08:05.580 Awaish Kumar: Because just looking at the code, the code looks good, but like…
57 00:08:06.140 ⇒ 00:08:23.310 Surfield Thomas, Jr.: like, it puts me in a position where I’m lost, and if I have to go from the code level to try to reconstruct it, then it’s gonna be, like, 15 hours of me just doing that, which is a waste of everybody’s time. And I’m still gonna be lost. Because no one can just look at your code and just say, oh, it works.
58 00:08:23.850 ⇒ 00:08:25.540 Awaish Kumar: Hey, I understand.
59 00:08:25.630 ⇒ 00:08:38.379 Awaish Kumar: Just for Robert’s, visibility, I want to, make sure we have tickets. If you have worked on anything, if you have spent some time, like, maybe an hour doing something.
60 00:08:38.419 ⇒ 00:08:47.469 Awaish Kumar: Like, you can mention… I can create a ticket, like, if you want me to, because we need to tell Robert that we have done this and that.
61 00:08:48.470 ⇒ 00:08:52.230 Surfield Thomas, Jr.: Robert is who? ELT on the other company?
62 00:08:52.550 ⇒ 00:08:58.199 Awaish Kumar: No, Robert is the account owner in Brainford for Remo.
63 00:08:58.360 ⇒ 00:09:01.879 Awaish Kumar: So, like, he… Okay, gotcha. Like, engagement lead for us.
64 00:09:02.330 ⇒ 00:09:15.739 Surfield Thomas, Jr.: Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, Robert, I know Robert. Okay, cool, cool, cool, cool, sweet. Yeah, again, the demo was gonna be the main thing. I think all of the stuff that I’ve done… I don’t know if you can see the, the ClickUp?
65 00:09:16.480 ⇒ 00:09:18.819 Surfield Thomas, Jr.: All of the stuff… Shoot.
66 00:09:19.270 ⇒ 00:09:20.859 Awaish Kumar: That’s what…
67 00:09:21.540 ⇒ 00:09:31.869 Awaish Kumar: Actually, like, last time, like, we have this ticket where you spend some time on DBN improved for, like, 3 hours.
68 00:09:32.250 ⇒ 00:09:32.810 Surfield Thomas, Jr.: Yeah.
69 00:09:32.960 ⇒ 00:09:38.289 Awaish Kumar: And did, like, I just want to have one more ticket, if you ever spend any time after that.
70 00:09:39.040 ⇒ 00:09:41.459 Surfield Thomas, Jr.: Okay, perfect. Alright, cool. I will…
71 00:09:41.780 ⇒ 00:09:49.620 Surfield Thomas, Jr.: get you some of that? Well, I would have to then spend time on something tonight. I could do that, that’s not a problem.
72 00:09:50.170 ⇒ 00:09:55.889 Awaish Kumar: No, no, like, you can just tell me some… something, like, you’re working on… I can create a placeholder ticket, and then…
73 00:09:55.890 ⇒ 00:09:56.580 Surfield Thomas, Jr.: Okay, yeah.
74 00:09:56.690 ⇒ 00:10:07.640 Surfield Thomas, Jr.: Look… so, put the placeholder ticket for this. Looked at the database schema and architecture from the new codebase.
75 00:10:07.830 ⇒ 00:10:10.790 Surfield Thomas, Jr.: That, Cameron sent to me.
76 00:10:11.170 ⇒ 00:10:12.749 Surfield Thomas, Jr.: Per Cameron’s request.
77 00:10:17.560 ⇒ 00:10:18.320 Surfield Thomas, Jr.: Yeah.
78 00:10:19.390 ⇒ 00:10:27.389 Surfield Thomas, Jr.: literally last night, that’s what all those text messages were. He literally, like, sent me access and was like, could you just look at the schemas and confirm with me that they’re good? I’m like…
79 00:10:28.370 ⇒ 00:10:30.979 Surfield Thomas, Jr.: Cool, there’s a database schema, like, wow.
80 00:10:31.290 ⇒ 00:10:33.239 Surfield Thomas, Jr.: Right? Does it work?
81 00:10:34.480 ⇒ 00:10:36.889 Awaish Kumar: I’m like, maybe she’s been an allot?
82 00:10:37.760 ⇒ 00:10:40.249 Surfield Thomas, Jr.: Yeah, me and him were chatting.
83 00:10:40.540 ⇒ 00:10:45.759 Surfield Thomas, Jr.: Well, actually… I can tell you how long we were on the first.
84 00:10:45.920 ⇒ 00:10:47.430 Surfield Thomas, Jr.: Texting back and forth.
85 00:11:09.490 ⇒ 00:11:10.790 Surfield Thomas, Jr.: Hold on…
86 00:11:24.360 ⇒ 00:11:26.800 Surfield Thomas, Jr.: Started texting at 8.45.
87 00:11:26.920 ⇒ 00:11:29.880 Surfield Thomas, Jr.: And then we stopped texting at…
88 00:11:35.130 ⇒ 00:11:36.420 Surfield Thomas, Jr.: 920.
89 00:11:36.970 ⇒ 00:11:39.040 Surfield Thomas, Jr.: So…
90 00:11:39.610 ⇒ 00:11:41.229 Awaish Kumar: Almost 45 minutes?
91 00:11:41.890 ⇒ 00:11:47.580 Awaish Kumar: Okay, that’s okay, I just put one… story point, that’s… That’s it.
92 00:11:48.090 ⇒ 00:11:49.280 Awaish Kumar: So…
93 00:11:49.530 ⇒ 00:11:56.779 Awaish Kumar: So then I have this one. I created this ticket. This is something we will be working on after tomorrow’s demo.
94 00:11:58.030 ⇒ 00:12:00.980 Awaish Kumar: Like, obviously it’s a broad…
95 00:12:03.580 ⇒ 00:12:08.420 Awaish Kumar: broad title, but, like, I will adjust it after we have done something.
96 00:12:09.760 ⇒ 00:12:15.110 Awaish Kumar: Maybe we do audit for code, or maybe we do audit for database, whatever it is.
97 00:12:16.910 ⇒ 00:12:20.610 Awaish Kumar: And if you have any clarity, you can tell me, so I can adjust it right now.
98 00:12:22.370 ⇒ 00:12:26.620 Surfield Thomas, Jr.: Another remote based on demo and docs received.
99 00:12:26.770 ⇒ 00:12:34.080 Awaish Kumar: Whatever we receive tomorrow, based on that, what are the next step?
100 00:12:36.560 ⇒ 00:12:37.740 Surfield Thomas, Jr.: Cool, alright.
101 00:12:39.630 ⇒ 00:12:47.889 Awaish Kumar: Okay, so do you… do you want to fill anything here? Like, do you know what we are going to do afterwards, or should we groom it tomorrow, after the meeting?
102 00:12:47.890 ⇒ 00:12:58.109 Surfield Thomas, Jr.: Yeah, let’s groom it tomorrow after the meeting, because, what I’m gonna do is try to do a feature mapping of feature to feature, for what we kinda need to get done.
103 00:12:58.390 ⇒ 00:13:04.360 Surfield Thomas, Jr.: In this use case. So that’s what I’m gonna do. So yeah, let’s do it tomorrow.
104 00:13:04.900 ⇒ 00:13:05.440 Awaish Kumar: Okay.
105 00:13:06.420 ⇒ 00:13:07.650 Awaish Kumar: Okay, sure.
106 00:13:08.600 ⇒ 00:13:09.340 Surfield Thomas, Jr.: So.
107 00:13:09.690 ⇒ 00:13:10.470 Awaish Kumar: Thank you.
108 00:13:11.260 ⇒ 00:13:12.080 Surfield Thomas, Jr.: Bye. Cool.
109 00:13:12.260 ⇒ 00:13:12.900 Awaish Kumar: Right.
110 00:13:13.260 ⇒ 00:13:14.030 Surfield Thomas, Jr.: Alright, bye.